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20100505 00:44:11< PetePorty> OMG! I didn't know mods could edit my posts!
20100505 00:47:57< PetePorty> would it be rude if I edited my post... the one he edited?
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20100505 01:00:34< PetePorty> hi bobby bob bob!
20100505 01:01:52< Gambit> PetePorty: You're not putting back something he took out are you?
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20100505 01:02:20< PetePorty> nope
20100505 01:02:32< PetePorty> taking out what he put
20100505 01:03:03< PetePorty> I don't like having a bright green shadowmaster post in my post....
20100505 01:03:27< Gambit> LOL
20100505 01:03:29< Gambit> don't do that
20100505 01:03:36< PetePorty> nope?
20100505 01:03:37< PetePorty> ok
20100505 01:04:25< PetePorty> did you notice bobby bob bob is here?
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20100505 01:20:21< Unnheulu> Which post did sm modify?
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20100505 01:20:45< Unnheulu> Eurgh that hilighta him
20100505 01:20:48< Unnheulu> Sorry
20100505 01:21:51< sevis> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=425974#p425974
20100505 01:22:27< Unnheulu> Ah
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20100505 01:23:26< Unnheulu> I may have been muted in irc, but my posts have never been edited ^_^
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20100505 01:52:19< shadowmaster> it's PetePorty's fault.
20100505 01:52:37< PetePorty> what the?
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20100505 01:52:49< PetePorty> WHAT DID I DO!?
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20100505 01:53:14< Unnheulu> Shh..
20100505 01:53:25< PetePorty> -.-
20100505 01:54:05< Unnheulu> Shadowy?...
20100505 01:54:16< PetePorty> :)
20100505 01:54:24< PetePorty> he's accussing me
20100505 01:54:30< shadowmaster> double posting
20100505 01:54:43< shadowmaster> and please stop behaving like a kid unless you want to give away a bad impression of our country
20100505 01:54:56< PetePorty> oh... but you already edited it
20100505 01:55:01< shadowmaster> yes
20100505 01:55:03< PetePorty> and I AM a kid...
20100505 01:55:10< Unnheulu> One kid doesn't give a bad impression
20100505 01:55:23< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: are you PetePorty ?
20100505 01:55:35< Unnheulu> Otherwise Wales would have a really bad reputation :)
20100505 01:55:37< PetePorty> no he's not
20100505 01:55:42< PetePorty> lol
20100505 01:55:44< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: or are you my boss?
20100505 01:55:56< PetePorty> I'm your boss!
20100505 01:56:03< shadowmaster> no
20100505 01:56:06< PetePorty> :(
20100505 01:56:18< Unnheulu> Hmm?
20100505 01:56:25< PetePorty> wait, and when did I "behave like a kid"?
20100505 01:56:33< Unnheulu> No to both, unless they are rhetorical
20100505 01:56:34< PetePorty> except the last 15 years?
20100505 01:57:06< Unnheulu> Peteporty don't bother arguing
20100505 01:57:12< shadowmaster> two lines after my first line above
20100505 01:57:17< shadowmaster> both of those two lines
20100505 01:57:44< shadowmaster> just learn to edit your posts as I said. That's all :)
20100505 01:57:53< PetePorty> ok, ok... jeeze
20100505 01:57:56< Unnheulu> I speak as a mod from another game, people arguing your decisions raises your blood pressure enough to make a cup of tea
20100505 01:58:05< PetePorty> O.o
20100505 01:58:23< Unnheulu> It does :)
20100505 01:58:36< PetePorty> the worst part is he lives near enough to make me pay... like... REALLY pay...
20100505 01:58:38< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: I have seen that forum and I don't think you can use your experiences from there as guidelines for understanding how things are done in the Wesnot community.
20100505 01:58:44< PetePorty> I'm scared
20100505 01:58:48< shadowmaster> and you have no idea how calm I am :)
20100505 01:58:56< shadowmaster> dammit
20100505 01:58:57< PetePorty> oh thx god
20100505 01:59:01< PetePorty> lol
20100505 01:59:02< shadowmaster> GAAA!
20100505 01:59:06< PetePorty> AHH!
20100505 01:59:13 * PetePorty runs
20100505 01:59:13< shadowmaster> this is the second time in my life I've misspelled "Wesnoth"
20100505 01:59:26< PetePorty> OMG
20100505 01:59:31< Unnheulu> Shadowmaster network mod not forum mod
20100505 01:59:38< Unnheulu> Big difference
20100505 01:59:40< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: okay, my bad
20100505 02:00:16< PetePorty> hey shadowy, "Pete" or "Peter" sounds cooler than "Pedro" right?
20100505 02:00:34< shadowmaster> could you call me shadowmaster ?
20100505 02:00:47< PetePorty> but... it's too long...
20100505 02:00:48< Unnheulu> Pedro sounds Spanish...so it pwns more
20100505 02:01:00< Unnheulu> Peter is just plain :P
20100505 02:01:01< shadowmaster> PetePorty: tab completion doesn't work there?
20100505 02:01:02< PetePorty> nope, Pedro sounds spanish, so it sucks
20100505 02:01:11< PetePorty> uhhh....
20100505 02:01:17< Unnheulu> Spanish is cool though
20100505 02:01:26< PetePorty> OMG! didn't know about that!
20100505 02:01:36< PetePorty> thx shadowmaster , I love you!
20100505 02:01:55< PetePorty> like... friends... just friends...
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20100505 02:02:02< shadowmaster> k
20100505 02:02:11-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth
20100505 02:02:30< Hulavuta> hi
20100505 02:02:34< shadowmaster> hi there
20100505 02:02:34< PetePorty> hi hula
20100505 02:02:48< Hulavuta> Is Zerovirus here?
20100505 02:02:56< PetePorty> nope
20100505 02:02:58< Hulavuta> Good
20100505 02:03:12< PetePorty> why?
20100505 02:03:14< Unnheulu> Hi
20100505 02:03:21< PetePorty> I like zorovirus
20100505 02:03:27< PetePorty> zero*
20100505 02:04:21< Unnheulu> Hulavata your American, right?
20100505 02:04:45< PetePorty> O.o sorry, gtg, dinner time
20100505 02:04:47< Hulavuta> He'll make me finish our match from yesterday, and I was doing horribly because I picked random and then I landed on Loyalists and I'm bad at loyalists, but not because they're human, I mean I love humans, I'm a human, not a spambot! But I mean I am bad and especially bad at combating undead which is what his random landed on and then since I never play as loyalists I spammed an army of HI and Mages and also the RNG was really bad and I waste
20100505 02:05:33< Hulavuta> Yes, I'm a Floridian, previously a New Jersian. Visited South Korea and Canada once
20100505 02:05:57< Hulavuta> So,
20100505 02:06:07< Unnheulu> Aka American?
20100505 02:06:22< Hulavuta> Also I wasn't thinking because I had to study for my Geometry test
20100505 02:06:26< Hulavuta> yes american
20100505 02:06:33< Hulavuta> But I'm not like, a "white" 
20100505 02:06:59< Hulavuta> After watching that Stupid Amanda show, I can never enjoy a good thing anymore
20100505 02:07:19< Hulavuta> because there was this sketch, everyone was eating pizza, and one girl was crying while she ate it
20100505 02:07:31< Hulavuta> and they said "why are you crying? 
20100505 02:07:39< Hulavuta> "Because the pizza's so good!"
20100505 02:07:45< Hulavuta> "And soon it'll all be gone!!!"
20100505 02:07:52< Unnheulu> :/
20100505 02:08:00< Hulavuta> So Unn why did you want to know
20100505 02:08:07< Unnheulu> Curious
20100505 02:08:10< Hulavuta> Why?
20100505 02:08:16< Hulavuta> Did you think I was a mexican or something?
20100505 02:08:18< Unnheulu> Dunno
20100505 02:08:23< Unnheulu> Bag
20100505 02:08:25< Hulavuta> I WAS BORN IN NEW JERSEY I'M NOT AN IMMIGRANT!!!
20100505 02:08:27< Unnheulu> *nah
20100505 02:08:29< Unnheulu> :/
20100505 02:08:34< Hulavuta> My parents were immigrants though
20100505 02:08:43< Hulavuta> They had to leave Vietnam because of the war
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20100505 02:08:50< Unnheulu> New jersey, isn't that British?
20100505 02:09:06< Unnheulu> Or is jersey the British one...
20100505 02:09:19< Hulavuta> Jersey is british
20100505 02:09:20< Unnheulu> Omg I really suck at geography
20100505 02:09:20< Crazytales> I was playing wesnoth in ... five out of seven class periods today
20100505 02:09:23< Unnheulu> Ok
20100505 02:09:24-!- shadowmaster is now known as Kuchen
20100505 02:09:33< Hulavuta> New Jersey is the state
20100505 02:09:41< Hulavuta> Also Geometry not Geography
20100505 02:09:56< Hulavuta> Also I got 100% on the benchmark test
20100505 02:09:58< Unnheulu> I know?
20100505 02:10:00< Crazytales> geometry = maths
20100505 02:10:04< Hulavuta> I know
20100505 02:10:11< Hulavuta> I'm working on Geometry, not Geography
20100505 02:10:14< Unnheulu> Mathematics
20100505 02:10:24< Unnheulu> 7^6?
20100505 02:10:33< Unnheulu> I got bored in French once
20100505 02:10:44< Unnheulu> Started working out 7^x
20100505 02:11:08< Kuchen> 7^x = y?
20100505 02:11:15< Unnheulu> Indeed
20100505 02:11:16< Kuchen> a single equation with two unknown values? ridiculous
20100505 02:11:42< Kuchen> you'll be writing solutions forever
20100505 02:11:44< Unnheulu> Meh I meant 7^x where x++ each time
20100505 02:11:46< Hulavuta> yep
20100505 02:11:53< Kuchen> ah, a list of powers of 7
20100505 02:11:57< Hulavuta> I'm now the Ineptile
20100505 02:12:00< Hulavuta> Instead of Hula
20100505 02:12:07< Kuchen> I once got bored...made a list of powers of 2
20100505 02:12:07< Unnheulu> I got very bored
20100505 02:12:17< Kuchen> powers of 2 tend to be really useful in programming for some reason
20100505 02:12:29< Hulavuta> Let's not talk about Math
20100505 02:12:30< Kuchen> (uh huh!)
20100505 02:12:45< Unnheulu> Let's talk about maths instead :)
20100505 02:12:47< Kuchen> you hate maths? you've seen nothing
20100505 02:12:52< Hulavuta> Can't you solve 2 different unknown values with factoring?
20100505 02:12:55< Kuchen> there's much, much worse
20100505 02:13:17< Kuchen> two unknown values can be solved if you have at least two equations
20100505 02:13:22< Hulavuta> Well I plan to be an Author, so I won't need to know like, SUPER advanced math
20100505 02:13:33< Unnheulu> What's math?
20100505 02:13:46< Kuchen> what's an "author"?
20100505 02:13:48< Unnheulu> Come on, let's use English not American, eh?
20100505 02:13:58< Kuchen> Unnheulu: international channel.
20100505 02:14:22< Unnheulu> I know ;)
20100505 02:14:53< Unnheulu> Dw i'n siarad cymraeg?
20100505 02:15:03< Unnheulu> Cwl
20100505 02:15:09< Kuchen> we don't speak Welsh or whatever.
20100505 02:15:18< Hulavuta> Let's change the topic
20100505 02:15:24< Unnheulu> Internation channel 
20100505 02:15:27< Unnheulu> Sorry..
20100505 02:15:34< Hulavuta> Let's talk about Dinosaurs
20100505 02:15:41< Kuchen> Unnheulu: an international channel should speak English.
20100505 02:15:49< Kuchen> and you shouldn't be picky about the dialect of English
20100505 02:16:12< Unnheulu> Which variation?
20100505 02:16:12< Kuchen> can we talk about Wesnoth? I like that game :)
20100505 02:16:33< Aethaeryn> Kuchen: An international channel should speak Latin.
20100505 02:16:37< Kuchen> no
20100505 02:16:40< Aethaeryn> So let's all talk Latin now.
20100505 02:16:50< Kuchen> quod erat demonstratum?
20100505 02:16:56< Kuchen> id est? sic?
20100505 02:17:07< Unnheulu> Wesnoth-fawr is a fun game :)
20100505 02:17:17< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: Lingua Latina. Nunc.
20100505 02:17:18< Kuchen> examplia grata? persona non-grata? I can't talk more latin than that
20100505 02:17:19< Aethaeryn> :P
20100505 02:17:27< Hulavuta> Let's play 20 Questions with Wesnoth Units
20100505 02:17:40 * Unnheulu shrugs
20100505 02:17:52 * Hulavuta doesn't care
20100505 02:17:58 * Kuchen disclaims any responisibility on the noise
20100505 02:18:20< Unnheulu> Rydw ni'n siarad saesneg?
20100505 02:18:28< Aethaeryn> though, on a serious note, Latin is a neutral European language that doesn't favor any one country.
20100505 02:18:35< Unnheulu> [should we speak English]
20100505 02:18:38< Crazytales> Aethaeryn: Ave Maria, gratia plena, dominus tecum, benedicta tu. 
20100505 02:18:40< Kuchen> Aethaeryn: yes, I know.
20100505 02:18:43< Aethaeryn> It's the original language (or partial in the case of English) of most of Europe's major countries.
20100505 02:18:49< Kuchen> Aethaeryn: but it isn't as used as it was back in the Middle Ages :(
20100505 02:18:52< Kuchen> nowadays
20100505 02:19:08< Hulavuta> I'm Hulavuta again
20100505 02:19:15< Kuchen> except, solemn ceremonies (generally religious), generally
20100505 02:19:16< Aethaeryn> Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, French, most English vocabulary (but not the grammar)
20100505 02:19:20< Crazytales> Et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Jesus. Sancta Maria, mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus nunc et in hora mortis.Amen.
20100505 02:19:30-!- Hulavuta is now known as The
20100505 02:19:36< Aethaeryn> In fact, I'd call English romance-in-vocabulary, germanic-in-grammar :P
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20100505 02:19:49< The> brb
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20100505 02:19:51< Unnheulu> Aethaeryn, Celtic toungues?
20100505 02:19:54-!- The [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth
20100505 02:19:58< The> back
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20100505 02:20:00< Crazytales> Aethaeryn: I go to a catholic school so I would know some latin (:
20100505 02:20:28< Guest6585> uh wut
20100505 02:20:36-!- Guest6585 is now known as Hulavuta
20100505 02:20:40< Hulavuta> Hello...
20100505 02:20:49-!- Hulavuta is now known as Ineptile
20100505 02:21:02< Aethaeryn> Crazytales: Okay... so let's play a game... Complete the sentence...
20100505 02:21:07< Aethaeryn> "Pater noster..."
20100505 02:21:10< Ineptile> Apparently I can't change my nick to something with a space in it
20100505 02:21:13< Crazytales> Ineptile: "hulavuta" makes me want to listen to "Kyla vuotta uutta kuuta" by varttina
20100505 02:21:23< Crazytales> Aethaeryn: que estás en el cielo
20100505 02:21:29< Kuchen> Ineptile: nope
20100505 02:21:42< Unnheulu> A space denotes a new argument
20100505 02:21:50 * Ineptile gets it
20100505 02:21:59 * Ineptile likes to refer to /me in the third person
20100505 02:22:05< Ineptile> Damnit it didn't work
20100505 02:22:09< Kuchen> Unnheulu: WOW
20100505 02:22:21< Kuchen> Unnheulu: for once you get something right without needing to be corrected!
20100505 02:22:22< Unnheulu> Like, in python sys.argv splits out all the spaces
20100505 02:22:27< Crazytales> Aethaeryn: erm, I mean, qui est in coeli
20100505 02:22:38< Unnheulu> I dunno the c++ equivalent
20100505 02:22:42< Kuchen> a space doesn't denote a new argument when the last argument is marked to allow whitespaces (prefixed with :)
20100505 02:22:49< Ineptile> lolol
20100505 02:22:57< Aethaeryn> Crazytales: you pass the test, kinda
20100505 02:23:04< Aethaeryn> B+ :P
20100505 02:23:13< Kuchen> Unnheulu: aw, for a moment I thought you had actually read the IRC RFCs :/
20100505 02:23:16< Crazytales> Aethaeryn: I had the spanish version on the brain because of spanish class all last year
20100505 02:23:33 * Ineptile will continue to refer to himself in the third person
20100505 02:23:35< Unnheulu> Yay
20100505 02:23:45< Aethaeryn> bah, Spanish.
20100505 02:23:52< Ineptile> I'm taking spanish next year
20100505 02:23:55< Aethaeryn> We all know that any true language doesn't need articles.
20100505 02:23:59< PetePorty>  hola
20100505 02:24:04< PetePorty> I' back
20100505 02:24:05< Aethaeryn> We don't need a "the" 
20100505 02:24:06< Ineptile> Hole, como te llamas
20100505 02:24:06< PetePorty> I'm
20100505 02:24:13< Kuchen> Aethaeryn: thank you for offending my mother tongue
20100505 02:24:14< PetePorty> Pete
20100505 02:24:16< Ineptile> Hola, como te llamas
20100505 02:24:17< PetePorty> y tu?
20100505 02:24:22< Ineptile> me llama Ineptile
20100505 02:24:30< Ineptile> Which is like the only thing you learn in Middle School spanish
20100505 02:24:32< PetePorty> oh... halavuta
20100505 02:24:47< Aethaeryn> Kuchen: It's a linguistic joke.
20100505 02:24:48< Crazytales> Aethaeryn: Spanish doesn't them as much as english
20100505 02:24:53< Ineptile> Lol people are always mispelling "Hulavuta"
20100505 02:24:56< Kuchen> I ask you again to please keep the noise low :)
20100505 02:24:57< Aethaeryn> Considering most modern European languages have equivilents for "the" and/or "a"
20100505 02:25:00< Aethaeryn> Usually both.
20100505 02:25:05< Ineptile> Either with too many u's or too many a's
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20100505 02:25:20< PetePorty> -.-
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20100505 02:25:25< Aethaeryn> Kuchen: And considering the only major difference in the sentence Crazytales gave was "el"
20100505 02:25:27< PetePorty> its a strange name
20100505 02:25:58< Crazytales> Ineptile: Huülaavutaä <--there now its finnish
20100505 02:26:05< Ineptile> FUCK!
20100505 02:26:06< Crazytales> (;
20100505 02:26:12< PetePorty> ...
20100505 02:26:17< PetePorty> your mom!
20100505 02:26:17< Ineptile> Excuse the cursing
20100505 02:26:18< Unnheulu> Kuchen, I guess you won't tell me what the c++ version of sys.argv is? :P
20100505 02:26:23< Kuchen> PetePorty: don't do that.
20100505 02:26:24< PetePorty> what happened?
20100505 02:26:25< Ineptile> I was testing the censors 
20100505 02:26:26< Ineptile> XD
20100505 02:26:28< PetePorty> ok
20100505 02:26:31< Kuchen> Unnheulu: yes, I will
20100505 02:26:35< Crazytales> Ineptile: I know someone named Fuck
20100505 02:26:35< Kuchen> Unnheulu: it is argv
20100505 02:26:40< PetePorty> wait.... who do you think u r kuchen?
20100505 02:26:49< Unnheulu> Cool
20100505 02:26:51< Ineptile> Say Alpha Kenny Body out loud
20100505 02:27:02< PetePorty> lol
20100505 02:27:06< Unnheulu> Not std::argv?
20100505 02:27:08< PetePorty> funny
20100505 02:27:17< Ineptile> I got in trouble today in band
20100505 02:27:17< Ineptile> lol
20100505 02:27:28< Kuchen> Unnheulu: it'll generally be one of the parameters to the entry point (main()), but you'll need to copy the pointer value or the contents of the array elements elsewhere if you want to keep it for other code
20100505 02:27:51< Unnheulu> Ok
20100505 02:28:02< PetePorty> kuchen... is that shikkadilord?
20100505 02:28:03< Unnheulu> So it gets passed into the main class?
20100505 02:28:06< Crazytales> Ineptile: I tried that on my sister
20100505 02:28:11< Kuchen> Unnheulu: there's no main class!
20100505 02:28:12< Ineptile> lol
20100505 02:28:13< Kuchen> C++ is not Java
20100505 02:28:14< Ineptile> What happened?
20100505 02:28:24< Unnheulu> The class that runs all the others?
20100505 02:28:25< Ineptile> OMG YOU ALL JUST LOST THE GAME!!!
20100505 02:28:36< Kuchen> Unnheulu: main() (and anything named() like() this()) refers to the method main()
20100505 02:28:39< PetePorty> what the?
20100505 02:28:40< Unnheulu> .-.
20100505 02:28:41< Kuchen> not a class
20100505 02:28:53< Unnheulu> Ok
20100505 02:29:05< PetePorty> Kuchen, are you Shikkadilord?
20100505 02:29:07< Ineptile> By the way, anyone in the mood for a match?
20100505 02:29:08< Unnheulu> Ineptile,._.
20100505 02:29:15< Ineptile> kuchen is shadow master, I think
20100505 02:29:22< PetePorty> exactly
20100505 02:29:24< Kuchen> maybe your program in particular has got some kind of "main class", but that's not imposed by the language design
20100505 02:29:28< PetePorty> I knew it
20100505 02:29:37< Kuchen> it'd be just a design choice from the person who wrote the program
20100505 02:29:41< Ineptile> brb I have to go take a dump
20100505 02:29:46< PetePorty> ...
20100505 02:29:57< Kuchen> the program's real entry point must still be a stand-alone method, generally prototyped int main(int, char**)
20100505 02:30:03< Unnheulu> My python ones always do, I havnt looked that closely at xmoto yet
20100505 02:30:21< Unnheulu> Int?
20100505 02:30:24< Kuchen> Ineptile: could you stop announcing everything you do here? thanks
20100505 02:30:26< Unnheulu> Not void?
20100505 02:30:32< Kuchen> Unnheulu: yes, int
20100505 02:30:51< Kuchen> you can use void in some implementations of C or C++, but int main(int, char**) is the standard
20100505 02:30:58< PetePorty> argh.... words-I-don't-know overload!
20100505 02:31:00< Unnheulu> Ok
20100505 02:31:10< Kuchen> where the int param would be argc, and the char** (or char*[]) param would be argv
20100505 02:31:50< Unnheulu> So it must return an int?
20100505 02:31:55< Kuchen> yes
20100505 02:31:55-!- PetePorty is now known as The_Chosen_One
20100505 02:32:06< The_Chosen_One> O.o
20100505 02:32:09< Unnheulu> Ok
20100505 02:32:09< Kuchen> that int will be used by the OS to determine what happened to the program
20100505 02:32:18< Kuchen> 0 means success. Anything else means failure
20100505 02:32:32< Unnheulu> Why not just use a bool?
20100505 02:32:41< Kuchen> because you can return more than just 0 or 1
20100505 02:32:44< Ineptile> back
20100505 02:32:54< Ineptile> And the toilet is being retarded
20100505 02:32:55< Kuchen> you could assign 1 for invalid arguments, 2 for files that are corrupted or can't be found, etc.
20100505 02:32:59-!- Ineptile is now known as The_Ineptile
20100505 02:33:02< The_Ineptile> lol
20100505 02:33:08< The_Ineptile> I prefer just Ineptile
20100505 02:33:10< The_Ineptile> CHanging back
20100505 02:33:14-!- The_Ineptile is now known as Ineptile
20100505 02:33:17< Unnheulu> Ah, I see
20100505 02:33:21< Kuchen> some programs also return the number of operations they have performed instead of a success/failure value
20100505 02:33:39< Unnheulu> That's cool
20100505 02:33:48-!- Ineptile is now known as The_Guy_With_A_R
20100505 02:33:50< The_Guy_With_A_R> sdfd
20100505 02:33:53< The_Guy_With_A_R> Oh man
20100505 02:33:56-!- The_Guy_With_A_R is now known as Ineptile
20100505 02:34:00< Ineptile> Okay done
20100505 02:34:04< Kuchen> Ineptile: could you stop announcing everything you do here? thanks
20100505 02:34:10 * Ineptile okay
20100505 02:34:10< Kuchen> (re toilet and stuff)
20100505 02:34:43< Unnheulu> I see you are unloyal to your nick
20100505 02:34:52< Unnheulu> Shameful
20100505 02:35:06< Ineptile> Who me?
20100505 02:35:14< Unnheulu> Yes you
20100505 02:35:23< Ineptile> I've used Hulavuta everywhere since I was like, 8
20100505 02:35:26< Ineptile> I get bored
20100505 02:35:36< Unnheulu> Not here
20100505 02:35:41< Ineptile> wut
20100505 02:35:46< Ineptile> Anyone up for a match?
20100505 02:35:54< Unnheulu> You aren't hulavuta now
20100505 02:35:58< Kuchen> I would, but I'm going to bed soon
20100505 02:36:06< Ineptile> It's not even 9:00!
20100505 02:36:08< Kuchen> feeling too tired and sleepy today
20100505 02:36:12< Ineptile> oh i see
20100505 02:36:13< Kuchen> yes, I know it's 8:36
20100505 02:36:17< Ineptile> Too much math? XDDDDD
20100505 02:36:19< Unnheulu> At 8:30?
20100505 02:36:19< Ineptile> lolololol
20100505 02:36:25< Kuchen> not funny, seriously
20100505 02:36:46< Unnheulu> Just have a cup of..coffee ;)
20100505 02:36:58< Unnheulu> [sorry]
20100505 02:37:14< Ineptile> What is Kuchen anyway/
20100505 02:37:16< Unnheulu> Something aren't funny I guess...
20100505 02:37:28< Kuchen> Ineptile: I'm delicious
20100505 02:37:29< Ineptile> You know the worlds fastest clapper?
20100505 02:37:51< Ineptile> Ah, the German word for "Cake"
20100505 02:38:03< Ineptile> So does anyone want to play?
20100505 02:38:13-!- Unnheulu is now known as BaraBrith
20100505 02:38:33< Kuchen> a particular kind of cake is called "kuchen" here too
20100505 02:38:35< Kuchen> not just any cake
20100505 02:38:42< Ineptile> Hey, when I change my name, does it display a message like that?
20100505 02:38:47< Crazytales> lebkuchen
20100505 02:38:51< Crazytales> Ineptile: yes
20100505 02:38:52< BaraBrith> Yes
20100505 02:38:53< Ineptile> I see
20100505 02:38:59< Kuchen> Ineptile: yes, but that's not the noise I was referring to above
20100505 02:39:01-!- Ineptile is now known as Toast
20100505 02:39:03-!- Espreon [~espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has quit [Quit: leaving]
20100505 02:39:07< Kuchen> although too many nick changes are also noisy
20100505 02:39:08< Toast> Dangit
20100505 02:39:28< Toast> Okay, I'm gonig to just change back to Ineptile and then I'm done okay??
20100505 02:39:31-!- Toast is now known as Ineptile
20100505 02:39:34 * Ineptile is done
20100505 02:39:37< Ineptile> Anyone want to play?
20100505 02:39:55< BaraBrith> Silence :)
20100505 02:39:57< noy> Play what?
20100505 02:40:01< Ineptile> Wesnoth
20100505 02:40:03< Ineptile> Or Halo 2
20100505 02:40:05< Ineptile> Whichever
20100505 02:40:06< noy> ...
20100505 02:40:12< Ineptile> what
20100505 02:40:13-!- Espreon [~espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has joined #wesnoth
20100505 02:40:14< BaraBrith> Shadowmaster aren't you in university though?
20100505 02:40:20< The_Chosen_One> I hate kuchen
20100505 02:40:33< Ineptile> How do I change my display color?
20100505 02:40:57< Kuchen> BaraBrith: um, yes?
20100505 02:40:59< BaraBrith> In irc?
20100505 02:41:06< Kuchen> yes?
20100505 02:41:13< Kuchen> BaraBrith: no, I'm at home right now
20100505 02:41:17< BaraBrith> Your gonna sleep in uni?
20100505 02:41:32< Ineptile> How about that guy zalador
20100505 02:41:37< BaraBrith> Ah ok
20100505 02:41:46< Kuchen> Ineptile: he hasn't caused further problems, has he?
20100505 02:41:46< The_Chosen_One> kuchen sucks
20100505 02:41:55< Kuchen> The_Chosen_One: no
20100505 02:41:55< The_Chosen_One> it's like a crappy pie
20100505 02:41:58< Ineptile> No
20100505 02:42:02< The_Chosen_One> YES
20100505 02:42:05< Kuchen> no it isn't, and you are offending me
20100505 02:42:14< Kuchen> :(
20100505 02:42:14< Ineptile> ooooooooh
20100505 02:42:18-!- The_Chosen_One is now known as PeterPorty
20100505 02:42:29< PeterPorty> oh, come on shadowy, dont get mad
20100505 02:42:35< PeterPorty> *shadowmaster
20100505 02:42:37< Ineptile> Is Porty your last name, or is it just an alliteration?
20100505 02:42:49< BaraBrith> Pete, what button is above capslock?
20100505 02:42:51< Kuchen> no, it isn't.
20100505 02:42:51< PeterPorty> crappy english for party
20100505 02:42:56< Kuchen> it's Llorens
20100505 02:43:05< PeterPorty> Bara tab
20100505 02:43:10< BaraBrith> Ok
20100505 02:43:10< Ineptile> How do you know?/
20100505 02:43:15< BaraBrith> Try this
20100505 02:43:19< Kuchen> /whois PeterPorty 
20100505 02:43:20< BaraBrith> Type: sha
20100505 02:43:27< BaraBrith> Then press that button
20100505 02:43:28< PeterPorty> we r friends irl
20100505 02:43:33< PeterPorty> sha
20100505 02:43:35< Kuchen> PeterPorty: no
20100505 02:43:37< PeterPorty> nope
20100505 02:43:41< PeterPorty> doesn't work
20100505 02:43:46< Ineptile> Balls
20100505 02:43:56< PeterPorty> why are you so mean to me?
20100505 02:43:59< Kuchen> football balls, or soccer balls?
20100505 02:44:05< Ineptile> Pedro Llorens???
20100505 02:44:07< PeterPorty> sucker balls?
20100505 02:44:12< PeterPorty> yes
20100505 02:44:13< BaraBrith> I meant ku then that button
20100505 02:44:19< Ineptile> It's kinda like "AW MAN!"
20100505 02:44:27< Ineptile> I just say either "CRAP!" or "BALLS!"
20100505 02:44:28< BaraBrith> Try it pete
20100505 02:44:41< PeterPorty> I know how that works
20100505 02:44:54< PeterPorty> just felt like calling him his real web name
20100505 02:44:55< BaraBrith> It'll save you typing the rather gay sounding "shadowy"
20100505 02:45:28< PeterPorty> idc about gay sounding stuff, i know im not gay, so... yeah
20100505 02:45:31< Kuchen> I'd not even allow my girlfriend to call me like that anywhere
20100505 02:45:39< PeterPorty> lol
20100505 02:45:54< PeterPorty> s/girlfriend/boyfriend?
20100505 02:45:57< PeterPorty> jk btw
20100505 02:46:07< BaraBrith> That wouldn't work pete
20100505 02:46:10< Kuchen> No, I'm heterosexual and I don't have a girlfriend
20100505 02:46:16< PeterPorty> oh
20100505 02:46:18< Ineptile> Peter why are you being such a prick? XD
20100505 02:46:24< PeterPorty> O.o
20100505 02:46:24< Kuchen> I'm single and lonely, plz call 127-000-000-001 now!
20100505 02:46:32< PeterPorty> what is a prick supposed to mean
20100505 02:46:37< PeterPorty> lol!
20100505 02:46:46< Ineptile> I started a room and Zerovirus joined!! NOOO
20100505 02:46:47< BaraBrith> Get a needle
20100505 02:46:53< BaraBrith> Stab yourself
20100505 02:47:06< BaraBrith> A needle just pricked you!
20100505 02:47:16-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Quit: bbl]
20100505 02:47:26< PeterPorty> hmmm
20100505 02:47:40< Kuchen> Aethaeryn agrees with me that #wesnoth is slowly getting flooded with sewer fluids
20100505 02:47:54< Kuchen> that means "tasteless jokes"
20100505 02:47:59< PeterPorty> what university do you go to shad? (thats ur new name kuchen)
20100505 02:48:39< Kuchen> I'm not going to answer that because you'd probably find me and cause me a public embarassment or something
20100505 02:48:39< BaraBrith> I'm going to make a script that makes a graph of how much mouse has been in this channel over the last two years
20100505 02:48:51< PeterPorty> ...
20100505 02:48:54< PeterPorty> mo I won't
20100505 02:48:59< PeterPorty> I promis...
20100505 02:49:01< PeterPorty> e
20100505 02:49:23< BaraBrith> I should do that to tsi or cloud...
20100505 02:49:30-!- Kuchen is now known as shadowmaster
20100505 02:50:02< PeterPorty> so... Shad, the other day I had an awesome adventure trying to find you.
20100505 02:50:29< shadowmaster> I don't want to know. I still appreciate my last bits of sanity.
20100505 02:50:37< PeterPorty> lol
20100505 02:50:44< BaraBrith> Pete two problems
20100505 02:50:51< BaraBrith> A you can't drive
20100505 02:50:58< PeterPorty> searched for you on fb, myspace, a bunch of other stuff, las amarillas...
20100505 02:51:04< BaraBrith> B he doesn't live *in* Santiago
20100505 02:51:15< PeterPorty> find him via internet
20100505 02:51:18< shadowmaster> I don't have anything to do with ugly social networks
20100505 02:51:27< BaraBrith> Do you think he uses that stuff...
20100505 02:51:44< PeterPorty> but... HOW can you not appear in las amarillas?
20100505 02:51:45< shadowmaster> BaraBrith: can I call you Brad Pitt, btw?
20100505 02:51:48< BaraBrith> They're for paeadophiles
20100505 02:51:57< shadowmaster> your nickname reminds you of that name
20100505 02:52:04< shadowmaster> s/you\s/me /
20100505 02:52:31< BaraBrith> Does it >.>
20100505 02:52:39-!- BaraBrith is now known as Unnheulu
20100505 02:52:44< Unnheulu> Meh
20100505 02:52:54-!- Ineptile is now known as Dave
20100505 02:53:02-!- Dave is now known as Dave_Grohl
20100505 02:53:22< Unnheulu> I always thought it was sirp...
20100505 02:53:30< shadowmaster> that's right
20100505 02:54:11< shadowmaster> you really enjoy stealing my time, don't you? :)
20100505 02:54:23< Unnheulu> Hmm?
20100505 02:54:32< Unnheulu> That was rhetorical...
20100505 02:55:00-!- Dave_Grohl is now known as Eric_Clapton
20100505 02:55:12-!- shadowm_laptop [~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth
20100505 02:55:36 * Unnheulu resists the urge to nick spam
20100505 02:55:44-!- shadowmaster [~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number]
20100505 02:56:04-!- shadowmaster [~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth
20100505 02:56:08-!- PeterPorty is now known as David_White
20100505 02:56:21< David_White> Hello my dear Nacho!
20100505 02:56:41< Unnheulu> It's sirp...
20100505 02:56:46-!- mode/#wesnoth [+o shadowm_laptop] by ChanServ
20100505 02:56:48<@shadowm_laptop> stop it 
20100505 02:56:53-!- David_White was kicked from #wesnoth by shadowm_laptop [David_White]
20100505 02:57:19-!- PeterPorty [~Pete@pc-139-120-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #wesnoth
20100505 02:57:21< Unnheulu> He's older than me
20100505 02:57:26< PeterPorty> moan
20100505 02:57:32< PeterPorty> U know I was kidding
20100505 02:57:47< shadowmaster> DON'T DO THAT
20100505 02:57:53< PeterPorty> ok...
20100505 02:57:55< PeterPorty> jeeze
20100505 02:58:02< shadowmaster> I don't care whether you are kidding or not, it's just a bad joke.
20100505 02:58:38-!- mode/#wesnoth [-o shadowmaster] by shadowm_laptop
20100505 02:58:38< PeterPorty> so unfair that someone can be called taylor swift or eric clapton but I can't be called david white...
20100505 02:58:44-!- mode/#wesnoth [-o shadowm_laptop] by shadowm_laptop
20100505 02:58:44-!- Eric_Clapton is now known as Ineptile
20100505 02:58:48< TaylorSwift> Why not?
20100505 02:59:08< PeterPorty> dunno, Shad got all picky about usernames...
20100505 02:59:13< Unnheulu> Some new player joins
20100505 02:59:22< Unnheulu> Asks you question
20100505 02:59:28< shadowmaster> Dave is on the network and I work with him.
20100505 02:59:29< Unnheulu> Gets stupid answer
20100505 02:59:31< Unnheulu> Leaves
20100505 02:59:58< PeterPorty> ohhh...
20100505 03:00:02< PeterPorty> hmmm...
20100505 03:00:20< PeterPorty> ok, but I CAN change my name to Gambit right?
20100505 03:00:21< Unnheulu> Pete, shall I keep impersonating you?
20100505 03:00:35< shadowmaster> no, and please stop all this crap.
20100505 03:00:37< Gambit> PeterPorty: No.
20100505 03:00:40< PeterPorty> O.o
20100505 03:00:47 * PeterPorty runs
20100505 03:01:11< PeterPorty> sorry guys, im a bit tired...
20100505 03:01:27< PeterPorty> and its only 9
20100505 03:01:33< PeterPorty> I'm getting old...
20100505 03:01:45< shadowmaster> :|
20100505 03:01:51< Unnheulu> If you were tired in school, would you be like this?
20100505 03:01:56< Ineptile> bie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20100505 03:01:57< PeterPorty> yes
20100505 03:01:57-!- Ineptile [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #wesnoth []
20100505 03:02:01< PeterPorty> and worse
20100505 03:02:09< PeterPorty> Jeremy left!
20100505 03:02:24< PeterPorty> anyway, I'm never tired in school
20100505 03:02:39< PeterPorty> I enjoy learning
20100505 03:02:50< PeterPorty> ...plz don't kill me
20100505 03:03:07< Unnheulu> I do most of my learning at home
20100505 03:03:16< Unnheulu> State schools are crap
20100505 03:03:23 * Gambit doubts PeterPorty's oldness.
20100505 03:03:40< PeterPorty> didn't say mature, said old
20100505 03:03:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'll never highlight you for no reason again. :)
20100505 03:03:45< PeterPorty> not the same
20100505 03:03:47< Gambit> I have seen the light.
20100505 03:03:55< Gambit> However I have a reason this time.
20100505 03:03:59< shadowmaster> Gambit: don't worry for that
20100505 03:04:08< Unnheulu> Heh
20100505 03:04:11< shadowmaster> you work for me, so it's all okay
20100505 03:04:21< PeterPorty> shadowmaster: can I highlight you for no reson at all?
20100505 03:04:47< Unnheulu> What's your obsession?
20100505 03:04:52< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: NO.
20100505 03:04:55< shadowmaster> YOU DON'T WORK FOR ME
20100505 03:05:08< Unnheulu> You even have his nick in your forum location
20100505 03:05:24< PeterPorty> dunno, he's like... the superior guy here... and for some reason I like making authorities mad
20100505 03:05:48< Unnheulu> Don't
20100505 03:05:51< PeterPorty> probably what we like to call "la edad del pavo"
20100505 03:06:06< Unnheulu> Some day you might be in authorit
20100505 03:06:09< Unnheulu> Y
20100505 03:06:14< PeterPorty> but... not like... really mad, just like teasing them a little
20100505 03:06:17< PeterPorty> lol
20100505 03:06:21< PeterPorty> good joke
20100505 03:06:38< PeterPorty> u r a funny one
20100505 03:07:09< shadowmaster> if you like making authorities mad then you should try with someone with more power than me, and not in Wesnoth.
20100505 03:07:16< shadowmaster> maybe the president of Chile, that'd be a good idea
20100505 03:07:25< Unnheulu> Pete, he's coded loads, fixes the forum when it goes wrong, has to administer irc and you think it's fun to wind him up?
20100505 03:07:37< shadowmaster> I won't be responsible if you get shot tho
20100505 03:07:46< PeterPorty> O.o
20100505 03:07:51-!- un214 [~quassel@adsl-75-45-4-19.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth
20100505 03:07:53< PeterPorty> no thx, I like the president
20100505 03:07:57< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: awww, I LOVE YOU!
20100505 03:07:59< PeterPorty> he has money ;)
20100505 03:08:01 * shadowmaster hugs Unnheulu 
20100505 03:08:07< PeterPorty> O.o!
20100505 03:08:09< PeterPorty> !!!!
20100505 03:08:15< Unnheulu> Your signature says otherwise
20100505 03:08:30< PeterPorty> thats a funny quote
20100505 03:08:37< PeterPorty> and we just changed presidents
20100505 03:08:47< PeterPorty> I'll change that when I have time
20100505 03:08:56< Unnheulu> Hmm
20100505 03:08:58< PeterPorty> have time= be not-that-lazy
20100505 03:09:23< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: you forgot "has to put up with ridiculous requests from both users and developers"
20100505 03:09:52< Unnheulu> Hmm
20100505 03:10:14< Unnheulu> And I also forgot has to put up with my constant hilighting
20100505 03:11:26< PeterPorty> dude! why do random people add me on facebook, I mean, I know I'm hot, but, it's not THAT much....
20100505 03:12:38< Unnheulu> Pete why not do something constructive?
20100505 03:12:46< Unnheulu> Like code something
20100505 03:12:59< shadowmaster> or help translate Wesnoth to Spanish
20100505 03:12:59< Unnheulu> Or give a game some art, or music
20100505 03:13:05< shadowmaster> or learn some pixel art
20100505 03:13:14< Unnheulu> It would stop you being bored
20100505 03:13:45< shadowmaster> or make some cra- awesome Wesnoth add-on and join the Halls of Fame
20100505 03:13:53< shadowmaster> okay, that was less realistic.
20100505 03:14:20< PeterPorty> well I wanted to be a translator.... but they told me it was fully translated to spanish
20100505 03:14:28< shadowmaster> wait.
20100505 03:14:30< PeterPorty> and I tried pixel art, but i suck
20100505 03:14:38< Unnheulu> Peter, xmoto isn't
20100505 03:14:45< shadowmaster> I also sucked at the start, PeterPorty 
20100505 03:14:53< shadowmaster> I sucked less the last time I tried
20100505 03:15:01< shadowmaster> hell, even Jetrel sucked at the start.
20100505 03:15:19< PeterPorty> and  coding, come on, who are we kiddin, u need to be smart for that kinda stuff....
20100505 03:15:22< shadowmaster> also, I can't believe the Spanish translation did so well this time. Wow.
20100505 03:15:30< Unnheulu> Peter, you could learn to code, if you want to put in serious effort
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20100505 03:15:44< PeterPorty> dunno, always played on english, i dont like spanish...
20100505 03:15:50< shadowmaster> it's currently missing 502 strings though
20100505 03:16:03< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: yes, so do I, but I was the maintainer once nonetheless
20100505 03:16:39< Unnheulu> Peter, never say never
20100505 03:16:48< Gambit> shadowmaster: So about it printing the session ids in the urls, is that normal?
20100505 03:16:58< Unnheulu> It may seem unlikely to you to do code, but
20100505 03:16:59< shadowmaster> Gambit: oh, yes, it is when you've just logged in
20100505 03:17:17< shadowmaster> it stops doing it after you follow a link
20100505 03:17:17< Gambit> Even though it's set to remember me?
20100505 03:17:21< shadowmaster> yeah
20100505 03:17:23< Gambit> So it's the start of a new session then?
20100505 03:17:27< shadowmaster> yep
20100505 03:17:38< Unnheulu> Just a year or two ago OOP scared me, now I feel evil without it
20100505 03:17:54< shadowmaster> sessions, strictly speaking, expire after an hour or inactivity or such IIRC
20100505 03:18:04 * shadowmaster is feeling lazy to check the settings atm
20100505 03:18:19< shadowmaster> *of inactivity
20100505 03:18:23< Unnheulu> I thought they expired on browser close :/
20100505 03:18:23< Gambit> the old session expired but it's still got cookies
20100505 03:18:37< Gambit> Unnheulu: That's Jsomething sessions
20100505 03:19:25< Gambit> J2REE or something
20100505 03:19:30< Unnheulu> I havnt bothered with php in ages tho
20100505 03:20:01< shadowmaster> that sounds like cookies generated by Java applets
20100505 03:20:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: yeah... actually it's probably different for php
20100505 03:20:37< Gambit> that's what they're called in CFML
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20100505 03:20:46< Gambit> *coldfusion
20100505 03:20:51< Gambit> not the language, but the CF server
20100505 03:20:52< PeterPorty> sooo... coding.... tried it, and couldnt do it...
20100505 03:21:13< Unnheulu> You can't just try it the once
20100505 03:21:22< Unnheulu> It takes serious effort
20100505 03:21:44< shadowmaster> yeah, I tried C when 14, gave up, and went back at it two years later
20100505 03:21:58< shadowmaster> except I skipped C and went directly to C++.
20100505 03:22:23< Gambit> coldfusion servers run on java
20100505 03:22:33< shadowmaster> and no, C++ is not an improved version of C, thank you very much
20100505 03:22:48< PeterPorty> well, I... found out how to understand the codes, but never really understood how u could actually use it to mke something...
20100505 03:22:53< Gambit> C++ is D :)
20100505 03:22:58< Gambit> C is B++
20100505 03:23:14< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: compiler.
20100505 03:23:34< Gambit> shadowmaster: "C# is a bad language because it needs compilers and virtual machines"
20100505 03:23:35< Gambit> lawl
20100505 03:23:42< shadowmaster> hah
20100505 03:23:51< shadowmaster> I learned C# before C anyway
20100505 03:24:02< PeterPorty> well, I guess I need to read some real code...
20100505 03:24:10< Unnheulu> How old were you then?..
20100505 03:24:14< PeterPorty> wanna link me to ur game unnheulu?
20100505 03:24:24< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: 14
20100505 03:24:39< Unnheulu> It's stored in a local repositry
20100505 03:24:48< PeterPorty> uhhh...
20100505 03:24:51< PeterPorty> what?
20100505 03:24:56< PeterPorty> in english plz
20100505 03:25:21< Unnheulu> Ok...
20100505 03:25:22< shadowmaster> means he hasn't published it
20100505 03:25:28< Unnheulu> It's in svn
20100505 03:25:33< Unnheulu> On an intranet
20100505 03:25:46< Unnheulu> What shadowmaster said
20100505 03:25:52< PeterPorty> yeah, but.. link me to see ur code... like last time...
20100505 03:25:57< PeterPorty> plz
20100505 03:25:59< Unnheulu> My code still sucks
20100505 03:26:22< Unnheulu> You won't learn anything but bad habits from it
20100505 03:26:26< PeterPorty> ok... can someone link me to a code where i can learn? preferably on phyton?
20100505 03:26:38< Unnheulu> I'm still rewriting whole sections
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20100505 03:27:24< Ineptile> I have returned. /starcraft reference
20100505 03:27:30< Unnheulu> Peter, unless you havnt got much time a C style language would be better then python
20100505 03:27:38< PeterPorty> ok, I'l rephrase
20100505 03:28:01< PeterPorty> shadowmaster: Could you plz, plz, plz show me some of your code?
20100505 03:28:01< Ineptile> Zerovirus and I just played a game against two guys
20100505 03:28:04< Ineptile> They were really bad
20100505 03:28:04< PeterPorty> and hi jeremy
20100505 03:28:17< Ineptile> The sad part was that I kicked them
20100505 03:28:20< Ineptile> Wait
20100505 03:28:22< Ineptile> No they quit
20100505 03:28:26< Ineptile> And then I had to droid them
20100505 03:28:36< Ineptile> And the droid was actually better than them
20100505 03:28:45< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: eh, there's lots of it floating around
20100505 03:28:55< Unnheulu> Pete, you can't learn by code untill you know basics
20100505 03:28:55< shadowmaster> in Wesnoth even.
20100505 03:28:58< Ineptile> Also I'm not Jeremy
20100505 03:29:01< Ineptile> Jeremy is my brother
20100505 03:29:06< PeterPorty> oh... ok
20100505 03:29:08< Ineptile> Apparently this account was registered with his name
20100505 03:29:12< Ineptile> Is there any way to change it?
20100505 03:29:15< shadowmaster> Wesnoth-TC (except for two files) is a more stand-alone example of my code
20100505 03:29:26< shadowmaster> since it's,well, except for two files, all my original creation
20100505 03:29:34< PeterPorty> what does tc stand for again?
20100505 03:29:38< shadowmaster> team coloor
20100505 03:29:42< shadowmaster> color
20100505 03:29:44< PeterPorty> oh
20100505 03:29:52< shadowmaster> team colorizer, in this case
20100505 03:29:56< PeterPorty> ok... and i can find that....
20100505 03:30:00< shadowmaster> in my website
20100505 03:30:04< PeterPorty> k thx
20100505 03:30:06< PeterPorty> brb
20100505 03:30:13< Unnheulu> Shadowmaster, seeing as I have pretty much no choice but to learn c++, want the GUI rewritten in it?
20100505 03:30:21< Ineptile> Check my real name again
20100505 03:30:39< PeterPorty> Anthhony?
20100505 03:30:57< PeterPorty> oh, purple
20100505 03:31:05< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: no
20100505 03:31:23< shadowmaster> I want to learn Qt4 and I won't let anyone steal that oportunity from me
20100505 03:31:28< Unnheulu> Ok, fair enough
20100505 03:31:35< shadowmaster> I mean, no, seriously
20100505 03:31:42< shadowmaster> if you do it, then I'll lose motivation to learn Qt4
20100505 03:31:43< Ineptile> Hmm, It should have said Justin
20100505 03:31:46< Ineptile> How do I change it?
20100505 03:31:52< shadowmaster> and that would be bad
20100505 03:32:21< shadowmaster> although I'm already losing motivation due to the build system support
20100505 03:32:38< shadowmaster> I might end up implemetning it with Gtk 2 :/
20100505 03:32:50< Ineptile> (9:31:49 PM) Ineptile: How do I change it?
20100505 03:32:57< PeterPorty> hula, when u start ur irc client u can change it
20100505 03:33:06< PeterPorty> in mine i can at least
20100505 03:33:11< Unnheulu> If I did rewrite it, I would use qt ;)
20100505 03:33:18< Ineptile> what do you mean
20100505 03:33:56< Unnheulu> *wouldn't
20100505 03:34:33< Unnheulu> Anyway, your code, so it's up to you
20100505 03:34:45< PeterPorty> for instance, i use ychat, and when i open it it has some blank spaces and one of em is "name:"
20100505 03:34:54< shadowmaster> not really a matter of it being "my code" as much as it is "my learning excuse"
20100505 03:35:12< Unnheulu> Heh
20100505 03:35:19< PeterPorty> shad, should i download the tar or the win32
20100505 03:35:25< PeterPorty> ?
20100505 03:35:37< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: what platform are you using?
20100505 03:35:39< Unnheulu> Win32 doesn't have the code
20100505 03:35:45< shadowmaster> oh wait, you want the code anyway
20100505 03:35:48< shadowmaster> download the tarball
20100505 03:35:52< PeterPorty> ok
20100505 03:35:54< PeterPorty> thx
20100505 03:36:22< shadowmaster> if you are on Windows, you might need to use Wordpad to read the files since they are in Unix-style text format (LF endings)
20100505 03:36:33< Unnheulu> Peter, small warning, C++ is quite scary
20100505 03:36:42< PeterPorty> it is?
20100505 03:36:46< shadowmaster> either that or a specialized editor
20100505 03:37:01< PeterPorty> oh, i have windows and linux...
20100505 03:37:11< PeterPorty> im on windows right now tho
20100505 03:37:28< Unnheulu> Does mac use unix style lone endings?
20100505 03:37:37< Unnheulu> I'll google it
20100505 03:38:14< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: nowadays, it does
20100505 03:38:25< Unnheulu> Seems not :/
20100505 03:38:27< shadowmaster> classic Mac OS used CR characters, where Windows uses CR-LF
20100505 03:38:40< shadowmaster> Mac OS X uses LF like other Unix-based operating systems
20100505 03:38:46< Unnheulu> Ok
20100505 03:39:03< Unnheulu> I mustve loaded an outdated page then ^_^
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20100505 03:39:29< shadowmaster> ouch, Firefox crashed
20100505 03:39:40< shadowmaster> first time in months. -.-
20100505 03:39:58< Unnheulu> Your on kde, why not use konqueror?
20100505 03:40:06< shadowmaster> because Konqui sucks
20100505 03:40:09< Unnheulu> Supposedly the fastest browser around
20100505 03:40:14< Gambit> It's not.
20100505 03:40:17< Unnheulu> Superior css
20100505 03:40:21< Gambit> Nope.
20100505 03:40:25< shadowmaster> very slow, CPU and memory hungry if you'd ask me
20100505 03:40:39< Unnheulu> Allows you to change between webkit and khtml
20100505 03:40:46< shadowmaster> the fastest browser around is Google Chrome all the way
20100505 03:40:54< Unnheulu> Imjust quoting spell :)
20100505 03:41:12< Unnheulu> I had a feeling lynx would be fast
20100505 03:41:16< shadowmaster> yeah, he comes from cloudcuckooland or something
20100505 03:41:33< Unnheulu> But lynx isn't that mainstream
20100505 03:41:49< shadowmaster> lynx unfortunately isn't very useful with all this "Multimedia" crap
20100505 03:41:50< PeterPorty> uhhh... sorry guys, but in the tar... which is exactly the document i should open?
20100505 03:41:57< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: anything in src/
20100505 03:42:15< shadowmaster> *.cpp files are C++ implementation files, whereas *.hpp files are header files
20100505 03:42:17< PeterPorty> ok. thx
20100505 03:42:23< PeterPorty> thats where i were
20100505 03:42:25< shadowmaster> entry.cpp has the main() entry point
20100505 03:42:39< PeterPorty> bye guys, bbl probably with questions... dumb ones...
20100505 03:42:39< Unnheulu> Hmm, it's .hpp?
20100505 03:42:41< shadowmaster> er, I mean wesnoth-tc.cpp
20100505 03:42:44< shadowmaster> wrong project :P
20100505 03:42:57< Unnheulu> Heh :D
20100505 03:43:12< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: it can be .hxx, .h, .hh, .h++ or .H for all the preprocessor cares
20100505 03:43:18< shadowmaster> well, compiler.
20100505 03:43:41< Unnheulu> Wow, that's a lot of choice...
20100505 03:43:59< shadowmaster> I have a habit of using .hpp myself but Wesnoth itself uses .h
20100505 03:44:09< shadowmaster> oh wait, it uses .hpp
20100505 03:44:09< Unnheulu> It seems I have a lot to learn
20100505 03:44:18< shadowmaster> er, wrong project too I guess 8)
20100505 03:44:31 * Unnheulu smirks
20100505 03:44:32< shadowmaster> ah, my first software project (RIP) used .h
20100505 03:45:06< shadowmaster> .h is historically used for C header files, but it can be used for C++ as well
20100505 03:45:21< shadowmaster> as long as the compiler recognizes the code file that includes the headers as C++.
20100505 03:45:31< Unnheulu> Xmoto uses .h, I guess that's what confused me
20100505 03:45:32< shadowmaster> or you force a C++ compiler upon a C++ code file
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20100505 03:46:00< shadowmaster> heck, historically, "C with classes" source code files were named .cc
20100505 03:46:19< shadowmaster> .cpp used to be assigned to C code to be preprocessed rather than compiled IIRC
20100505 03:46:31 * Unnheulu thought C was structured >.>
20100505 03:46:37< Unnheulu> I am sooo ignorant
20100505 03:46:44< PeterPorty> ahhh.... already feel overwhelmed...
20100505 03:47:02< shadowmaster> I didn't care much about formal language definitions until some time ago, so I have no idea what C is
20100505 03:47:11< shadowmaster> "C with classes" later became C++ anyway.
20100505 03:47:44< Unnheulu> I'm guessing D isn't just an updated C++, right?
20100505 03:48:06< Unnheulu> Cause they can just update the classes to update c++
20100505 03:48:13< Unnheulu> *lobs
20100505 03:48:18< Unnheulu> *libs
20100505 03:48:38< shadowmaster> "It originated as a re-engineering of C++, but even though it is predominantly influenced by that language, it is not a variant of it."
20100505 03:48:44< PeterPorty> ok, thx shadowmaster...i didnt get any crap... well, some so ill go learn on the web and... then ill reread the code...
20100505 03:49:10< PeterPorty> but before that... how long do u think it will take me to lear how to program?
20100505 03:49:12< shadowmaster> good luck
20100505 03:49:13< Unnheulu> Peter, here's an idea
20100505 03:49:19< PeterPorty> (and plz dont say 10 years)
20100505 03:49:23< Unnheulu> Forever
20100505 03:49:28< shadowmaster> I don't think I'm the best person to learn from, and it can take really long without a good book or intuition
20100505 03:49:37< Unnheulu> I first started 6 years ago
20100505 03:49:39< shadowmaster> I learned mainly by intuition, improved with a good free book
20100505 03:49:53< Unnheulu> And I still suck
20100505 03:50:00< shadowmaster> by intuition I learned C++ in two weeks :(
20100505 03:50:08< shadowmaster> enough to hack Wesnoth anyway
20100505 03:50:20< PeterPorty> ok... i have internet, my belobed teacher, but... i wanna now... for instance, how long will it take to actually understand every single line in your code...
20100505 03:50:32< shadowmaster> it can take you a century
20100505 03:50:35< shadowmaster> even if you knew C++
20100505 03:50:39< PeterPorty> ok... thx
20100505 03:50:50< shadowmaster> reading other people's code isn't necessarily the best way to learn
20100505 03:51:00< PeterPorty> I guess I'll just kill myself
20100505 03:51:07< PeterPorty> but... internet said it was...
20100505 03:51:10< Unnheulu> Peter, learning everything is all but impossible
20100505 03:51:27< PeterPorty> argh... ok, bye... I'll go try to learn... c ya
20100505 03:51:31< shadowmaster> and I don't understand every single line of Wesnoth either, but I know how some parts work and I know how to make my way fixing or improving from there
20100505 03:51:33< PeterPorty> bye
20100505 03:51:37< shadowmaster> bye
20100505 03:51:43< PeterPorty> hmmm..
20100505 03:51:45< PeterPorty> ok...
20100505 03:51:49< PeterPorty> thx
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20100505 03:52:09< Unnheulu> Shadowmaster, I dunno, I learnt a bit when I was 8, but, by looking at xmotos code I was able to make 3 patches
20100505 03:52:13< shadowmaster> I do understand that most of the code looks like run through a shredder
20100505 03:52:17< shadowmaster> Wesnoth's, anyway
20100505 03:52:41< shadowmaster> or written by someone who was high on something late at night
20100505 03:52:45< Unnheulu> Wesnoths code scares mr :/
20100505 03:53:31< shadowmaster> that's normal.
20100505 03:53:39< Unnheulu> You ever used sdl_ttf?
20100505 03:53:45< shadowmaster> yes.
20100505 03:53:50< Unnheulu> I want to kill whoever made it
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20100505 03:54:02< shadowmaster> we had a..."fixed" version of SDL_ttf in our tree for a long while, even
20100505 03:54:41< shadowmaster> it's being replaced with Pango more due to an issue with localization of right-to-left and asian languages though
20100505 03:55:01< shadowmaster> and formatting flexibility. Can't forget that.
20100505 03:55:20< Unnheulu> I've used pango in python, and it's pretty nice once set up
20100505 03:55:39< Unnheulu> Setting it up was a bit of a pain though
20100505 03:56:07< shadowmaster> anyway, off to bed now, good nifght
20100505 03:56:21< Unnheulu> Night
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20100505 05:10:54< PetePorty> so... II leave and now nobody's talking?
20100505 05:10:59< PetePorty> I*
20100505 05:11:24< PetePorty> well, bye then, good night ,sleep well, Shad plz don't ban me
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20100505 05:31:49< Gambit> DUDE!
20100505 05:31:52< Gambit> google has to reset their uptime
20100505 05:31:54< Gambit> haha!
20100505 05:32:07< Gambit> Youtube is inaccessable.
20100505 05:33:19< Gambit> Screenshot it while you can :)
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20100505 06:57:32< ancestral> Does anyone here connect to efnet.net for anything?
20100505 06:57:47< ancestral> (for IRC I mean)
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20100505 17:12:40< Unnheulu> Hi artisticdude
20100505 17:14:12< artisticdude> hey
20100505 17:15:06 * Unnheulu is soon going to start coding achievements into xmoto
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20100505 17:27:01< gamefreak264> -pats artisticdude on the head and scratches him behind the ear-
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20100505 18:56:05< Rigor> hi
20100505 18:56:12< Unnheulu> Hi
20100505 18:56:39< Rigor> i wanna open a new post in the "Add-on Feedback" thread
20100505 18:56:46< Rigor> a new thread in fact
20100505 18:56:55< Rigor> well, u know what i mean :)
20100505 18:57:33< Gambit> Rigor: Call shadowmaster.
20100505 18:57:38< Rigor> calling already
20100505 18:57:52< Rigor> but his automessage tells me something about a detatched screen :D
20100505 18:58:07< Gambit> I think there's a form you have to fill out too.
20100505 18:58:33< Gambit> Yeah an eee are eighty-one dash jay.
20100505 18:58:36< Gambit> ER81-J
20100505 18:58:40< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=24271
20100505 18:59:02< Gambit> wait that's not it
20100505 18:59:06< Gambit> Turuk wrote a list of stuff he wanted to know
20100505 18:59:36< Rigor> what ? :D lol
20100505 18:59:41< Rigor> yes i saw that post
20100505 18:59:53< Gambit> hmmm I thought that thread was bigger.
20100505 18:59:55< Gambit> I guess now.
20100505 18:59:58< Gambit> *not
20100505 19:00:07< gamefreak264> Rigor... you name sounds familiar... What addon did you do?
20100505 19:00:11< Rigor> well, with such restrictions it wont get much bigger in the future :D
20100505 19:00:18< Rigor> i did actually no addon myself. 
20100505 19:00:33< Rigor> but ive teamed uzp with doc and grrr and we want to makea  map workshop
20100505 19:00:53< Rigor> so we need a place to discuss map balance and changes, and this thread would be perfectly suited for it
20100505 19:01:10< gamefreak264> I don't think I'm familiar with that but your name is still familiar... Hey, did you post on the forum alot with an Ulf avatar?
20100505 19:01:19< Rigor> haha no :)
20100505 19:01:23< gamefreak264> Hmm...
20100505 19:01:23< Rigor> ive got a cool shield
20100505 19:01:32< gamefreak264> To google!
20100505 19:01:32< Rigor> http://exong.net/wesnoth-attach/files/shield_big_bg_357.png
20100505 19:01:34< Rigor> hehe
20100505 19:01:46< gamefreak264> Yeah, I've seen that before
20100505 19:01:53< gamefreak264> I'm wondering who that guy is now, though
20100505 19:01:55< gamefreak264> XD
20100505 19:01:58< Rigor> ^^
20100505 19:02:14< gamefreak264> I lurk the forums quite a bit
20100505 19:02:31< Rigor> do u have another username by chance?
20100505 19:02:52< gamefreak264> Ooh, I know you from the BURS thread! :O
20100505 19:02:59< Rigor> ha ha :))
20100505 19:03:14< Rigor> yeah at soe point wesnoth began to be a littel boring and i needed a new challenge.
20100505 19:03:29< gamefreak264> :D
20100505 19:03:30< Rigor> recently i have discovered the +1 gold per turn slider :D
20100505 19:04:39< Rigor> so i guess shadowmaster will write me a pm or something... i hope he will open up the possibility to post the map worskhop
20100505 19:05:02< gamefreak264> Aethryn's work and the Ageless era have kept me interested when stuff got boring :P
20100505 19:05:18< Rigor> hm yes, awesome how industrious he is
20100505 19:05:25< Rigor> and the many map contributions...incredible
20100505 19:05:35< Rigor> (thats why we need to refine them now :D)
20100505 19:06:00< gamefreak264> I've also tried a few BURS style matches against my friends but I'm not quite as good at it as most of the people posting in the thread :P
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20100505 19:07:02< gamefreak264> and I generally use a new name every time I log in online so I doubt you'll notice me if you ever do see me :P
20100505 19:07:11< gamefreak264> and I don't have a forum account
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20100505 19:07:19< Rigor> lol
20100505 19:07:25< Rigor> how paranoid ! :D
20100505 19:07:28< gamefreak264> I think the last name I used on the server was "Debbie"
20100505 19:07:55< Rigor> careful or google will use the red laser beam from you r computer mouse to kill you ;)
20100505 19:08:01< Rigor> ^^
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20100505 19:08:19< sevis> And yet you leave your IP for all to see... Hm. :P
20100505 19:08:28< gamefreak264> Good thing I'm using my touchpad today, then! :P
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20100505 19:08:49< Rigor> about burs...you must not forget that sometimes when ppl lose, they dont post their failed games. and i really tried not to post luck-biased games online
20100505 19:08:59< gamefreak264> I'm not really paranoid about people seeing me, I just prefer it that way
20100505 19:09:09< gamefreak264> I kind of like inventing a new username every time I log in
20100505 19:09:23< Rigor> really? i thought there is this website that gives u random names
20100505 19:09:26< Rigor> i liekd it :)
20100505 19:09:38< Rigor> http://www.behindthename.com/random/
20100505 19:09:45< Rigor> very good choices were:
20100505 19:10:03< Rigor> rapper & wrestler: Puff Papa  Mac Rhymes 
20100505 19:10:07< Rigor> HAHAHAHAHAHA :D
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20100505 19:12:14< gamefreak264> Rigor: I think I may have seen you doing some ladder matches too, is that right?
20100505 19:12:15< artisticdude_> I just checked that site out and my name is 'Faustus Varfolomei Grugg' :P
20100505 19:12:34< Rigor> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD i just checked the Most Common Names for Adult Males in Florence,  Italy 1427
20100505 19:12:37< Rigor> guess what:
20100505 19:12:43< Rigor> 1.Giovanni 8.897 2.Antonio 7.958 3.Piero 4.707
20100505 19:12:47< Rigor> (%)
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20100505 19:13:02< Rigor> yes i did some ladder matches too, now im a bit busy but i want to start playing again 
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20100505 19:14:11< gamefreak264> Giovanni always makes me think of the leader of team rocket :P
20100505 19:14:28< Rigor> giovanni makes me think of an inventor
20100505 19:15:08< gamefreak264> http://www.crystal-islands.com/anime/characters/giovanni.jpg
20100505 19:15:21< Rigor> interesting how nathan or lucas seemt o be always somewhere in the top 5
20100505 19:15:33< Rigor> :D
20100505 19:16:50< Rigor> oh wow knowledge thats almost useless but nevertheless interesting: Atarah and Stephen 
20100505 19:16:50< Rigor> Both names mean "crown", but Atarah is Hebrew and Stephen is Greek.
20100505 19:17:17< Rigor> i guess you didnt know that sarah means princess in hebrew either
20100505 19:18:41< gamefreak264> That kind of makes sense with Sarah being the mother of the Isrielites
20100505 19:19:23< gamefreak264> I'm going to shut up now, I think religeion is a dangerous topic on the internet
20100505 19:19:48< Rigor> really?
20100505 19:19:57< gamefreak264> -shurgs- I tend to get flamed
20100505 19:20:05< Rigor> you know what i discussed today with a friend of mine (an italian)
20100505 19:20:14< gamefreak264> What?
20100505 19:20:55< Rigor> he curses sometimes, and in his curses he not only says putana, refering to women, but also when its stronger porco dio, or dio cane
20100505 19:21:20< Rigor> well and i sometimes also used his stronger curses when i was with him, so he told me to never ever use them in italy :D
20100505 19:21:59< Rigor> and he said, ok italians are not practising religion, but if u insult their god as a porky-god or dog-god, uuuh.... XD haah
20100505 19:21:59< gamefreak264> And why is that?
20100505 19:22:12< gamefreak264> I see :P
20100505 19:22:57< Rigor> well and he said that it would not be nice to insult the religion of others...and then i asked him, since we are all somehow monotheists where we live, that we would be insulting actually the same god, so it would not make sense to be angry at each other 
20100505 19:23:18< gamefreak264> You can get in alot of trouble for saying something similiar in most middle eastern countries
20100505 19:23:51< Rigor> its funny how you get shunned when you speak bad about somethign abstract but its no problem calling somebodys mother names XD
20100505 19:24:37< Rigor> salome to all of you guys :) Irene and Salome 
20100505 19:24:37< Rigor> Both names mean "peace", but Irene is Greek and Salome is Hebrew.
20100505 19:24:39< gamefreak264> Wow, apparently it carries over online, too. I just found this
20100505 19:24:39< gamefreak264> http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/03/uae-internet-providers-ordered-to-ban-man-who-insulted-islam-by-registering-on-facebook-as-allah.html
20100505 19:25:19< Rigor> you know that jihad and riconquista means actually the same ?
20100505 19:25:35< Rigor> eh E not I
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20100505 19:25:53< Rigor> depending where u coem from probably
20100505 19:25:56< gamefreak264> my foriegn languages aren't so good
20100505 19:26:07< gamefreak264> english is my first language
20100505 19:26:14< Rigor> the forceful taking back of regions that once belonged to yourself
20100505 19:26:14< gamefreak264> Whats riconquista mean?
20100505 19:26:25< Rigor> conquer it back
20100505 19:26:48 * Unnheulu hates people who say their foreign language is bad, when they pwn
20100505 19:27:01< Gambit> gamefreak264: I would remind you that you know nothing about what religions people in this room may hold.
20100505 19:27:26< Gambit> It's a bad road to travel.
20100505 19:27:26< gamefreak264> Yeah, I'm going to shut up now.
20100505 19:28:07< Rigor> may hold ?
20100505 19:30:45< Rigor> 61 people and we havent talked about anything sensitive so far no ?
20100505 19:32:47< gamefreak264> Does anyone here know what happened to that project of porting Battle for Wesnoth to java so that it could be used in a web browser?
20100505 19:33:08< Unnheulu> I thought it was so it could be used on an android
20100505 19:33:27< Unnheulu> And that never started
20100505 19:35:18< sevis> As far as I understood, it was far too much effort for a tiny gain.
20100505 19:36:01< Gambit> tiny?
20100505 19:36:04< Gambit> $30,000?
20100505 19:36:30< gamefreak264> Ah I think I found what I was looking for with a bit of google-fu
20100505 19:36:31< gamefreak264> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=28647
20100505 19:36:50< Gambit> gamefreak264: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18607
20100505 19:37:04< sevis> As far as I know, Android has a C++ compiler. The issue is that the libraries used aren't available.
20100505 19:37:28< Gambit> So then whoever did it would also have to port the dependencies?
20100505 19:37:32< Gambit> Or no?
20100505 19:37:32< gamefreak264> Gambit: Yeah, I've seen that too. I'm not so much interested in android as I am other ARM OSes. Android seems really locked down and yuckie to me.
20100505 19:37:36< Rigor> oh wow long time awkward silence and now almost the half of the screen si filled with delighted chatter :) google-fu is a very funny expression :D
20100505 19:38:01< Gambit> sevis: ^^?
20100505 19:38:07< sevis> More likely would be rewriting to use different dependencies.
20100505 19:38:21< Gambit> ouchie
20100505 19:38:36< sevis> Ouchie? That's *much* less work than porting SDL.
20100505 19:38:52< sevis> As far as I know, anyway, SDL is pretty big.
20100505 19:38:55< sevis> Oh, and glibc.
20100505 19:39:12< gamefreak264> Wait, SDL isn't running on android yet? It's been ported to ARM already and PPC. It's even got a version running on the Wii.
20100505 19:39:29 * Unnheulu isn't sure if he's already said it, but, he wants to kill whoevemade SDL_ttf
20100505 19:39:31< sevis> As far as I know, SDL is one of the programs that would need porting.
20100505 19:39:39< gamefreak264> http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Sdl
20100505 19:40:09< sevis> In any case, rewriting to use different deps would (almost always) be easier/faster than writing in a different language.
20100505 19:40:37< Gambit> Unnheulu: My turn to bug you with news
20100505 19:40:38< Gambit> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.192738-Obamas-Health-Care-Influenced-By-Socialist-Pokemon
20100505 19:40:55< gamefreak264> Here's a version running a (non android) arm platform http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/48023-sdl-13-glu-and-nehe-opengl-tutorials-for-the-pandora/
20100505 19:41:27< gamefreak264> I'm surprised that there's not a working version for something as wide spread as android
20100505 19:43:52< sevis> Does Pandora have normal glibc?
20100505 19:44:32< gamefreak264> sevis: Not sure(not a programmer myself), maybe you could ask on #openpandora ?
20100505 19:44:50< Gambit> Unnheulu: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.192738-Obamas-Health-Care-Influenced-By-Socialist-Pokemon
20100505 19:44:58< Unnheulu> I saw
20100505 19:45:04< Unnheulu> I'm busy coding
20100505 19:45:18< sevis> Eh, I'm just asking in terms of this discussion.
20100505 19:45:32< sevis> Because android isn't exactly a standard Linux system.
20100505 19:48:04< Gambit> Senator Lugia from Kanto is very worried about the Health Care Bill
20100505 19:48:12< gamefreak264> Giovanni has waaaaay more more employees than Brock, especially with his "side buisness"
20100505 19:48:23< gamefreak264> I can't believe they wold even be compared to each other
20100505 19:48:33< Gambit> The pokecenters are already government run and they're free.
20100505 19:48:34< Gambit> They work.
20100505 19:49:07< gamefreak264> Hmm... this has me thinking about the innerworking sof the pokemon universe....
20100505 19:49:36< gamefreak264> Is there like some black market cloning industury? I doubt that all those "Nurse Joys" are cousins!
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20100505 19:49:47< Gambit> Do you think Obama should require all hospitals to have Chancies on staff?
20100505 19:49:57< sevis> Bah, I should get coding again... Anyone know a small project that's still just starting out?
20100505 19:50:18< gamefreak264> I do, but I don't know of any actual promising ones
20100505 19:50:23< sevis> (and thus who's codebase isn't too much work to read)
20100505 19:50:44< gamefreak264> all of the ones I know of are just dead ends because the staff isn't devoted to the project
20100505 19:51:35< sevis> Hm, well.. Such as?
20100505 19:53:09< Gambit> sevis: Battle for Wesnoth Fork!
20100505 19:53:18< Gambit> :)
20100505 19:53:29< Gambit> #wesnothxp
20100505 19:53:35< gamefreak264> sevis: Mostly stuff that my friends are doing. Stay away from them!
20100505 19:53:37< sevis> Gambit: I'm trying to find something of which I can read the source code and get a feel for it in it's entirety.
20100505 19:54:29< sevis> gamefreak264: Well, if you say so...
20100505 19:55:33< gamefreak264> I'm not too excited by the BfW fork, but I'll look into it
20100505 19:55:48< gamefreak264> sevis: Hmm... have you looked into NightingGale?
20100505 19:56:13< sevis> Nope, let me do that...
20100505 19:56:41< Gambit> sevis: You could always get addicted to WML if you want.
20100505 19:56:59< gamefreak264> thats a Songbird fork that started because Songbird dropped Linux support and it was started just a few weeks ago, I think they're still looking for willing developers
20100505 19:57:00< gamefreak264> http://getnightingale.org/
20100505 19:57:14< gamefreak264> Not sure if you're into Linux, though
20100505 19:57:45< sevis> Gambit: I'm horrible at map-making, so WML isn't really an option.
20100505 19:58:02< sevis> gamefreak264: I'm very close to Linux, so that's great, thank you. :D
20100505 19:58:03< gamefreak264> Gabit: I'm going to peek into the chanel for the Wesnoth fork to see if it's exciting
20100505 19:58:09< Gambit> If the scenario is cool enough, people ignore the ugle maps :)
20100505 19:58:12< gamefreak264> :D
20100505 19:58:23< sevis> I'm bad at story design, too. :P
20100505 19:58:53< Gambit> If the features are cool enough people ignore the lacking story.
20100505 19:58:58< Gambit> go multiplayer!
20100505 19:59:03< Gambit> lol I'll stop pestering you.
20100505 19:59:23< Gambit> Did anyone see that Infinity released a new video demo?
20100505 19:59:34 * Gambit can't wait for it to come out
20100505 19:59:37< gamefreak264> -has no clue who infinity is-
20100505 19:59:48< sevis> Oh, it's no problem, but... If there's an ugly map, and a bad story, what can there be good in the map? :P
20100505 20:00:24< Gambit> sevis: in multiplayer it's all about crazy gameplay innovations
20100505 20:00:35< Gambit> People will make "fan maps" for you eventually :)
20100505 20:01:22< sevis> Hm. So new mechanics? I dunno...
20100505 20:01:50< gamefreak264> sevis: I just found a channel for Nightingale. it's #nightingdale on irc.mozilla.org
20100505 20:02:09< sevis> Yep, I've seen that... But I want to be sure about what it is, first.
20100505 20:02:12< sevis> A browser?
20100505 20:02:50< gamefreak264> It's a media player based on the Mozilla framework, from what I understand
20100505 20:03:02< sevis> Hmm. :\
20100505 20:03:04< gamefreak264> I think "Songbird" made it into a bunch of distro's repos if you want to check it out
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20100505 20:03:21< gamefreak264> Out of curiosity, what are you running? :3
20100505 20:03:50< sevis> Gentoo x86, mostly stable.
20100505 20:04:19< gamefreak264> Gentoo seems scary to me, my current favorite is Arch 
20100505 20:04:22< sevis> Just switched to XMonad for WM.
20100505 20:04:35< sevis> Hm, I'm thinking of giving Arch a try, but not yet.
20100505 20:04:46< gamefreak264> Never used Xmonad but I'm familiar with it from hanging around with the Arch community
20100505 20:05:20< gamefreak264> from what I understand it seems kinda like Arch is Gentoo's binary based cousin
20100505 20:05:51< sevis> I'll certainly give Nightingale a thought, but I'm not sure. I'd rather help with something I'd actively use/play, and I really don't need a media player with a GUI. :\
20100505 20:06:07< sevis> Yeah, that's pretty much what I've heard of Arch, too.
20100505 20:06:32< gamefreak264> Yeah, it's entirely up to you. I tend to prefer to work with stuff that I have close personal attachment to, aswell
20100505 20:06:54< gamefreak264> Though, I do like VLC as far as mediaplayers with GUIs go! :P
20100505 20:07:23< sevis> VLC is nice, but I've not felt a need for anything over mplayer for quite some time now.
20100505 20:09:20< sevis> Hm, and they use gstreamer, too...
20100505 20:09:44< gamefreak264> I THINK Songbird recycled a bunch of VLC's code, but I'm not sure
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20100505 20:10:34< gamefreak264> Yep, it seems to hold true
20100505 20:10:36< gamefreak264> http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2005/12/19/managing-expectations/
20100505 20:10:39< sevis> Hm, okay.
20100505 20:10:48< sevis> Sorry, I'll be right back, dinner.
20100505 20:11:14< gamefreak264> this is an early blog post from when the project was just starting "This release is not meant to replace your current media player (or your current browser, for that matter). We’ve taken xulrunner and sqlite and vlc and glued them together with some xml, javascript, and C++. And we’re fairly proud of what we’ve achieved in little over 9 man-months of effort."
20100505 20:11:26< gamefreak264> or an excerpt of one, rather
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20100505 20:15:45< Unnheulu> I wish xmoto had the two patch policy, I'm working on my 4th now :/
20100505 20:15:57< Unnheulu> And constantly emailing them to the maintainer is soo annoying
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20100505 20:21:05< sevis> I'm back.
20100505 20:21:16< sevis> Hm. I don't really understand what it *does* want to be, then.
20100505 20:21:39< sevis> And, if I understand correctly, they want to be both a media player and a browser.
20100505 20:23:35< sevis> (I've not actually found any good explanation of what they are on their website)
20100505 20:27:12< gamefreak264> Yeah, it's exactly that. It's also pretty much backwards compatible with pretty much all firefox addons. I think it has it's own system for "feathers" though.
20100505 20:28:27< sevis> Hm... I think I'll pass, I don't like things starting to do more than they were made for.
20100505 20:28:34< sevis> Thanks for the suggestion, though.
20100505 20:29:04< gamefreak264> Yeah, I kind of feel the same. I haven't used it for over a year.
20100505 20:29:45< gamefreak264>  I got kinda grossed out when they started adding ( in my opinion) bloat with features like video playback and CD ripping
20100505 20:30:00< sevis> Does it check email yet?
20100505 20:30:15< gamefreak264> sevis: I don't understand your question.
20100505 20:30:46< sevis> Eh, it's a reference to a quote about 'The UNIX Way', sorry.
20100505 20:31:18< gamefreak264> Oh, I kinda thought you may have meant something like that but I wasn't sure if you were referencing the web browser compatibility with ajax or something
20100505 20:31:40< gamefreak264> Technically, yes, it does check email :P
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20100505 20:32:44< sevis> Heh, well, then it's certainly a no for me... Although I've still been too lazy to get mutt working.
20100505 20:32:50< gamefreak264> I'm kind if curious if "The UNIX Way" is anything like "The Arch Way"
20100505 20:32:51< gamefreak264> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/The_Arch_Way
20100505 20:33:00< gamefreak264> -googles "The UNIX Way"
20100505 20:33:01< sevis> Or, no, mutt is find, but sendmail...
20100505 20:34:32< sevis> I can't find the exact quote, unfortunately.
20100505 20:35:55< gamefreak264> Well I got the gist of it from Wikipedia
20100505 20:36:52< gamefreak264> Do you have some sort of preference as to the type of project you'd like to work on other than it being Linux/Crossplatform?
20100505 20:37:57< sevis> I'd prefer it to be a game, I think that has the highest chance of me actually becoming interested in it.
20100505 20:38:14< sevis> I mean, I've got a number of programs I use, and I don't see any reason to change most of them.
20100505 20:39:18< gamefreak264> The game engine my friend uses is non cross platform anyway due it depending on both VB and DirectX :P
20100505 20:41:18< sevis> Heh, yeah, that'd be a problem.
20100505 20:41:56< sevis> I've tried writing my own games... The first one was not planned out enough and died due to messiness, the second was too planned out and died before I could finish planning.
20100505 20:42:15< sevis> Oh, and the first was written with a little too few libraries.
20100505 20:51:33< gamefreak264> Well I think there are a few up and coming game projects in the Pandora community but I think you'd need specialized hardware to fully enjoy your game with it being written for a portable arm platform and all
20100505 20:52:08< gamefreak264> And the pandora isn't shipping yet
20100505 20:52:21< sevis> Hm, I'm in no position to buy gaming hardware at the moment.
20100505 20:52:31< sevis> I could perhaps try Android development, though...
20100505 20:53:35< gamefreak264> Hmm...
20100505 20:53:36< gamefreak264> I'll tell you if I can think of something you might like to work on
20100505 20:53:59< sevis> Thanks
20100505 20:55:33< gamefreak264> Does wesnoth ever get talked about here? XD
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20100505 20:56:28< sevis> Hm, well... I guess once in a while.
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20100505 20:59:24< Gambit> Sometimes
20100505 20:59:33< Gambit> I think we talked about it last week.
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20100505 23:14:20< Hulavuta> I have returned
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20100505 23:22:45< gamefreak264> Do any of you know of good articles for making eras?
20100505 23:22:57< gamefreak264>  / wiki entries
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20100505 23:30:28< Unnheulu> *yawns*
20100505 23:31:03< Unnheulu> I wonder if peterportyhas given up c++ in frustration yet
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20100505 23:36:09< PetePorty> hi guys
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20100505 23:56:46< Unnheulu> Peteporty given up c++ yet? ;P
20100505 23:56:54< PetePorty> nope
20100505 23:57:02< PetePorty> still trying
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