--- Log opened Fri May 07 00:00:06 2010
20100507 00:03:30< sevis> Anyone free who knows about SDL/possible compiler bugs?
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20100507 00:21:13< towski_> so hard to get games going without people leaving
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20100507 00:22:07< PetePorty> uhh... hi guys, I have a problrm, can someone help me?
20100507 00:22:22< PetePorty> my left click isn't working....
20100507 00:23:06< sevis> PetePorty: In the main menu?
20100507 00:23:17< PetePorty> nope... in my computer...
20100507 00:23:26< sevis> At all?
20100507 00:23:30< PetePorty> yep
20100507 00:23:38< PetePorty> and I can't open it
20100507 00:23:41< sevis> Did you try unplugging and re-plugging your mouse?
20100507 00:23:51< PetePorty> nope... I'll try
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20100507 00:24:17< PetePorty> nope, did'n work
20100507 00:24:24< PetePorty> didn't*
20100507 00:24:42< PetePorty> it is wireless if that changes anything
20100507 00:24:52< Bertram> batteries?
20100507 00:25:00< Bertram> sync?
20100507 00:25:02< PetePorty> but... the right one does work
20100507 00:25:55< sevis> Hm. Dunno.
20100507 00:26:02< PetePorty> -.-
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20100507 00:26:15< PetePorty> I need heeeeeeelp, I can't afford a new mouse
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20100507 00:31:58< PetePorty> maybe its with windows, ill try linux... c ya guys
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20100507 00:32:39< Bertram> isn't there a #wireless-mice channel  ;)
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20100507 00:48:23< PetePorty> ok, managed to change buttons.... so now I can only use left click...
20100507 00:48:55< sevis> You can use the right mouse button to left-click?
20100507 00:49:03< PetePorty> yes
20100507 00:49:28< sevis> That sounds an awful lot like a hardware problem.
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20100507 00:49:34< sevis> Did you try a different USB port?
20100507 00:49:38< Hulavuta> Yes
20100507 00:49:42< PetePorty> hi hula
20100507 00:49:52< Hulavuta> no
20100507 00:49:59< PetePorty> it IS a hardwarw problem
20100507 00:50:21< sevis> In that case, the best we can do is gather you ten euro for a mouse.
20100507 00:50:31< PetePorty> but i also managed to open it, i tried to clean it but the lrft nutton isnt working
20100507 00:50:56< PetePorty> ok, ill make a cause on facebook
20100507 00:51:37< PetePorty> but that means ill have ot get a new keyboard as well
20100507 00:53:45< PetePorty> ok, i discovered that if I click it putting my finger in a weird way, pushing the button foreward and putting my finger at the very back-end of the mouse, I can use the button...
20100507 00:54:40< PetePorty> oh well, I'll have to live with it...
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20100507 01:28:47< Gambit> PetePorty: You make me sad.
20100507 01:28:58< PetePorty> why Gambit?
20100507 01:29:16< Gambit> PetePorty: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=426638#p426638
20100507 01:29:30< PetePorty> I can't click it
20100507 01:29:41< PetePorty> can you give me the title of the topic?
20100507 01:30:05< Gambit> "I have an idea, female can cost less upkeep, as they are payed less, maybe act  like they were 1 level lower."
20100507 01:30:14< PetePorty> lol
20100507 01:30:22< PetePorty> that one was a funny post
20100507 01:31:02< Gambit> Regardless, it isn't nice.
20100507 01:31:46< PetePorty> ok, ok,.... u want me to erase it?
20100507 01:31:58< PetePorty> i DID say jk btw....
20100507 01:32:24< PetePorty> it just felt like a good oprtunity to make a joke like that...
20100507 01:32:43< PetePorty> but ok, if u r unconfortable with it, ill erase it.
20100507 01:33:33< Zarel> I thought it was funny.
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20100507 01:34:06< PetePorty> me too... but  gambit-almighty wants it erased...
20100507 01:34:16< Gambit> *sigh*
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20100507 01:34:40< PetePorty> I ERASED IT!
20100507 01:34:48< PetePorty> what else ddo you want from me!?
20100507 01:34:49< Aethaeryn> NO!
20100507 01:34:56< PetePorty> no what?
20100507 01:35:12< Aethaeryn> WHY DID YOU ERASE IT?!
20100507 01:35:37< Gambit> really? I'm the only one who found it to be ignorant?
20100507 01:35:44< Aethaeryn> I just walked in
20100507 01:35:49< Aethaeryn> Honestly, idk what you're talking about :P
20100507 01:36:22< sevis> I'm with Gambit that it's tasteless, but erasing it seems even more tasteless...
20100507 01:36:40< PetePorty> uhhh... what do you guys want me to do?
20100507 01:36:55< PetePorty> do you want me to post an apology?
20100507 01:37:02< Gambit> No.
20100507 01:38:07< Aethaeryn> So, what are we talking about? :P
20100507 01:38:24< Gambit> I suppose it would be somewhat hypocritical of me to ask that you think more before posting.
20100507 01:38:36< Gambit> So I'll ask someone else to ask you instead. :D
20100507 01:38:41< PetePorty> lol
20100507 01:38:43< Aethaeryn> Yeah...
20100507 01:38:57< Aethaeryn> PetePorty: I may say random stuff on IRC where the posting is instant...
20100507 01:39:10< PetePorty> i DID think about it, and I got to the conclusion it would ve rather funny, funnier than rude...
20100507 01:39:13< Aethaeryn> But I actually delete maybe 25% to 35% of all posts I write up.
20100507 01:39:26< Aethaeryn> Or at least, the ones I hesitate about enough to read them over
20100507 01:39:30< Gambit> I delete almost all my posts. XD
20100507 01:39:34< Aethaeryn> *Before* I post them
20100507 01:39:38< Gambit> oh
20100507 01:39:40< Gambit> well..
20100507 01:40:01 * Aethaeryn is surprised Gambit was being the PC police though.
20100507 01:40:08< Aethaeryn> Mr. Glenn-Beck-is-Awesome
20100507 01:40:46< PetePorty> http://www.causes.com/causes/481786
20100507 01:41:09< PetePorty> anyone wants to donate?
20100507 01:41:17< Gambit> Real men (and women) can operate their computer with keyboard alone.
20100507 01:41:32< sevis> Gambit: Even on Vista?
20100507 01:41:33< PetePorty> lol
20100507 01:41:42< Gambit> sevis: Yes.
20100507 01:41:54< PetePorty> btw, i know, thats wht im mmostly doing, but its kinda hard
20100507 01:42:03< PetePorty> I'd prefer mouse alone...
20100507 01:42:03< sevis> Are you using the default explorer.exe?
20100507 01:42:11< Gambit> g2g for supper
20100507 01:42:17< PetePorty> bye Gambit
20100507 01:42:24< sevis> PetePorty: Have you got vimperator?
20100507 01:42:28< Aethaeryn> Honestly, I only used a mouse when I looked up backlogs on Chrome.
20100507 01:42:33< PetePorty> uhhh... nope
20100507 01:42:36< Aethaeryn> Until I did, I wasn't even in X.
20100507 01:42:42< Aethaeryn> As in, every action I did was keyboard-directed.
20100507 01:43:08< sevis> I only use my mouse when websites are much easier to get around with a mouse.
20100507 01:43:13< Aethaeryn> I can even alt+f2 and type "emacs" in GNOME
20100507 01:43:19< Aethaeryn> without having to go into a menu XD
20100507 01:43:34< PetePorty> but.... how do you play wesnoth without a mouse?
20100507 01:43:47< Aethaeryn> n for next unit
20100507 01:43:51< Aethaeryn> space for done with unit
20100507 01:43:55< Aethaeryn> ctrl+enter for end turn.
20100507 01:44:14< Aethaeryn> you can even have hotkeys for just about every right click action except the ones UMCs add
20100507 01:44:17< PetePorty> but.. it's easier with a mouse....
20100507 01:44:27< Aethaeryn> you'd just need a hotkey for moving in hexes and for UMC menu items.
20100507 01:44:30< Aethaeryn> Actually, no.
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20100507 01:44:35< Aethaeryn> The learning curve is easier with a mouse.
20100507 01:44:41< Aethaeryn> It's "easier" as in quicker with a keyboard.
20100507 01:44:44< Aethaeryn> That's how it's always been.
20100507 01:45:09< PetePorty> everything is easier eith a mouse man, i do use some shortcuts, but... mouse is ur friend
20100507 01:45:12< Aethaeryn> It's easier for me to type ctrl+S when saving a document rather than mouse over to the save icon every single time. In fact, I have it kinda programmed to type ctrl+S after every sentence when I'm writing a paper for school.
20100507 01:45:16< Aethaeryn> Try to do that with a mouse.
20100507 01:45:27< Aethaeryn> Oh, yes, a mouse is useful for two things: (1) games.
20100507 01:45:34< sevis> ctrl+S? I rather prefer :w :P
20100507 01:45:35< PetePorty> exactly
20100507 01:45:38< Aethaeryn> (2) so you don't have to spend a week learning to be efficient in absolutely every program ever.
20100507 01:45:46< PetePorty> exactly
20100507 01:45:48< PetePorty> see?
20100507 01:45:56< Aethaeryn> Yes, keyboards are quicker and more efficient, but mice have less of a learning curve.
20100507 01:46:02< PetePorty> i mostly play in my computer....
20100507 01:46:14< Aethaeryn> The ideal program has the shortcuts visible, just like Wesnoth when you right click
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20100507 01:46:22< Aethaeryn> so if you do something long enough you learn the keyboard shortcuts to save time
20100507 01:46:39< Aethaeryn> e.g. much quicker to cycle next unit with "n" or end turn with ctrl+enter
20100507 01:46:58< Aethaeryn> (At least in MP where you're probably resting on the keyboard because of chat)
20100507 01:47:09< Aethaeryn> (And MP is the only place where ending turn fast matters, anyway)
20100507 01:47:21< Aethaeryn> Honestly, it's not an either-or game.
20100507 01:47:56< Aethaeryn> Ideally, everything that is repetitive (e.g. saving an OpenOffice.org document or cycling to next unit and ending turn in Wesnoth, or even ctrl+R for recruiting) is probably best done with keyboard after a while.
20100507 01:48:20< Aethaeryn> Everything that's too obscure to learn a shortcut for (e.g. creating a table in OpenOffice.org, or doing some fancy thing you rarely do in Wesnoth) is better done with a mouse.
20100507 01:48:35< Aethaeryn> And things that require freehand drawing, such as GIMP or even Wesnoth's map editor, is also a mouse-task.
20100507 01:48:55< Aethaeryn> Ideally, the more input mechanisms available, the more flexibility you have and the more you can do with your device.
20100507 01:49:19< Aethaeryn> That's why it's probably best to have finger touch (ease), stylus input (smaller presses and drawing), physical keyboard *and* mouse or trackball.
20100507 01:49:32< Aethaeryn> They all have advantages and disadvantages, but together you don't have any options eliminated.
20100507 01:50:14< Aethaeryn> But, on the other hand, keyboard is probably the most essential component because without it you are unable to type, and it would take longer to do routine things, like save every sentence when writing a paper.
20100507 01:50:25< Gambit> sevis: Yeah default explorer. Why?
20100507 01:50:28< Aethaeryn> P.S. sevis: If you actually write papers for school in vim, I respect your 1337 skill.
20100507 01:50:35< Gambit> I'm pretty sure I can navigate to just about anything.
20100507 01:51:35< sevis> Gambit: It'd probably be easier with something more like XMonad/Openbox, although I've not used Windows in ages. I'm impressed.
20100507 01:51:52< Aethaeryn> one thing I don't like about Windows, which any UNIX-like OS I've used in various window managers (even Mac OS X I think)
20100507 01:51:59< Aethaeryn> Is that in Windows, ctrl+shift+n doesn't create new folders.
20100507 01:52:00< sevis> Aethaeryn: Thanks -- good thing I found out about LaTeX, it was driving quite a few people nuts.
20100507 01:52:03< Aethaeryn> Everywhere else, it does.
20100507 01:52:18< sevis> Ctrl+shift+n creates new folders? O_o
20100507 01:52:25< Aethaeryn> yeah, and it saves a lot of time, at least for me.
20100507 01:52:45< Aethaeryn> It creates folders, and highlights "untitled folder" which saves a step.
20100507 01:52:50< Aethaeryn> So you can keep rested on the keyboard.
20100507 01:53:05< Aethaeryn> If you have to create a dozen subfolders in a folder, trust me, you'll notice the difference between nautilus and Windows Explorer
20100507 01:53:22< Aethaeryn> (I'm not sure about KDE, but iirc it is the same way in XFCE and even Mac OS X, so I assume it works on KDE too)
20100507 01:53:31< Aethaeryn> (I assume it's some kind of UNIX standard)
20100507 01:53:46< sevis> Hm. I dunno, I've not used a file browser in ages.
20100507 01:53:50< Aethaeryn> ah
20100507 01:53:51< Gambit> keyboard shortcut for new folder: right click key, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, right, enter. :)
20100507 01:54:05< sevis> alias for mkdir -v: md.
20100507 01:54:17< Aethaeryn> I know a shorter way to make folders in Windows
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20100507 01:54:44< Aethaeryn> up up down down left right left right b a
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20100507 01:59:09< Hulavuta> I have returned
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20100507 02:00:05< PetePorty> back
20100507 02:00:21< PetePorty> Aethaeryn, didnt u notic i kinda... left?
20100507 02:02:31< Aethaeryn> PetePorty: Yeah, I know, that happens in real life all the time to. Just as I start uncovering a tiny truth about the nature of everything, I realize that everyone I was talking to has left and I'm talking to a wall. :P
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20100507 02:03:58< Wall> lol get it?
20100507 02:03:59< Aethaeryn> It's okay, I get the last laugh as my unique insight remains to myself.
20100507 02:04:29< Jarkko_> Aethaeryn: I was moderately intrigued by your lecture... (that's because I WAS the wall :P)
20100507 02:04:31< Aethaeryn> Wall: All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
20100507 02:04:33-!- Wall is now known as Unique_Insight
20100507 02:04:51< PetePorty> lol
20100507 02:04:53-!- Unique_Insight is now known as lol
20100507 02:05:02< PetePorty> hulavuta sucks
20100507 02:05:12< PetePorty> change ur nick to THAT
20100507 02:05:12-!- lol is now known as PeterPorty
20100507 02:05:20< PeterPorty> I'm Peter Porty I'm so gay
20100507 02:05:21< PetePorty> hey!
20100507 02:05:24< PeterPorty> lolololol
20100507 02:05:25< Aethaeryn> XD
20100507 02:05:29< PetePorty> u can't do that
20100507 02:05:33< Aethaeryn> Win.
20100507 02:05:36< PeterPorty> Yes I can
20100507 02:05:48< PetePorty> u r the one that will end up badly....
20100507 02:05:59-!- PetePorty is now known as Hulavuta
20100507 02:06:08< PeterPorty> I was gonna tell you to do that
20100507 02:06:08< Hulavuta> I like guys
20100507 02:06:13< Hulavuta> lol...
20100507 02:06:15< PeterPorty> I like women
20100507 02:06:15< PeterPorty> lol
20100507 02:06:20< Hulavuta> O.o dinnertime
20100507 02:06:21< PeterPorty> Cuz i'm a lesbian
20100507 02:06:24< Hulavuta> c ya guys
20100507 02:06:41< Hulavuta> btw u r the 1 who called himself a lesbian yesterday
20100507 02:06:49< Hulavuta> bye, bbl
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20100507 02:23:11< Ineptile> ...
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20100507 02:25:39< Hulavuta> back
20100507 02:25:49< Hulavuta> hi ineptile
20100507 02:26:29< Hulavuta> oh... he left...
20100507 02:26:56< Hulavuta> http://www.causes.com/causes/481786
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20100507 03:04:09< Ineptile> so..
20100507 03:07:01< Blarumyrran> yes?
20100507 03:07:37< Ineptile> I dunno
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20100507 03:13:00< Ineptile> so....
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20100507 03:19:06< Ineptile> so..
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20100507 03:25:09< PeterPorty> Maw
20100507 03:27:22< Ineptile> wut
20100507 03:29:20< Gambit> sigh
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20100507 03:29:42< Ineptile> wut
20100507 03:30:41< Gambit> Never talk back to your mom and dad when you are mad.
20100507 03:31:13< Aethaeryn> Nah, talk back to them. They're so irrational.
20100507 03:31:18< Gambit> Never be rude and disrespectful.
20100507 03:31:24< Ineptile> I try not to be..
20100507 03:31:26< Gambit> Never break rules and get forgetful.
20100507 03:31:39< Gambit> Never throw a tantrum on the floor.
20100507 03:31:50< Gambit> Never shout at them and slam the door.
20100507 03:31:54< Gambit> Cause that's how you get grounded!
20100507 03:32:02< Gambit> Never cheat off some kid's test when you're in school.
20100507 03:32:08< Gambit> Never get the answer from a friend.
20100507 03:32:12< Aethaeryn> They're probably a moron anyway.
20100507 03:32:13< Gambit> Never sneak in notes written on your hand.
20100507 03:32:21< Aethaeryn> The only thing worse than getting your own wrong answer is getting someone else's.
20100507 03:32:22< Gambit> Never let your eyes begin to wander
20100507 03:32:27< Gambit> from your paper to another.
20100507 03:32:38< Gambit> Cause that's how you get sent to the principle!
20100507 03:32:45< Aethaeryn> It's principal.
20100507 03:32:52< Ineptile> lol
20100507 03:32:53< Gambit> Never take cough syrup and mix it up with iodine and lye.
20100507 03:32:54< Aethaeryn> I was taught that that's because the principal is your pal
20100507 03:32:58-!- Ineptile is now known as Aetharyn
20100507 03:33:01< Aetharyn> lolol
20100507 03:33:05< Gambit> Never take the strike pads off a match book
20100507 03:33:11< Gambit> never go to hardware store and then look
20100507 03:33:12-!- Aetharyn is now known as Bamgit
20100507 03:33:13< Bamgit> lolol
20100507 03:33:19< Gambit> near paint thinners for muriatric acid.
20100507 03:33:41-!- Bamgit is now known as Hulavuta
20100507 03:33:54< Gambit> Never go bring a pot into a rapid
20100507 03:33:59< Gambit> boil or get hydrogen peroxide
20100507 03:34:30< Gambit> never go to a farming store and then buy pH strips and pvc pipes
20100507 03:34:36< Gambit> those fuel tanks that make outdoor grills light
20100507 03:34:41< Gambit> cause that's how you make crystal meth!
20100507 03:35:36 * Gambit flees
20100507 03:36:53< Aethaeryn> Ah, gotta love people who failed high school chemistry trying to make drugs.
20100507 03:37:00< Aethaeryn> And then exploding their trailor park.
20100507 03:37:51 * Gambit has an A- in highschool chemistry 8)
20100507 03:37:57< Gambit> (so far)
20100507 03:38:11< Aethaeryn> trivia fact: They're called "Mobile homes" because they're from Mobile, Alabama, not because they're mobile (i.e. movable)
20100507 03:39:02< Hulavuta> I suck at math
20100507 03:39:17 * Aethaeryn , for some reason, read that as "I suck at meth"
20100507 03:39:25< Gambit> So is Hulavuta the real Hulavuta right now?
20100507 03:39:26 * Aethaeryn then wondered if everyone in #Wesnoth just tries to make drugs as a hobby.
20100507 03:39:43< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I make antacid tablets all the time!
20100507 03:39:48< Blarumyrran> I thought I was terrible at chemistry
20100507 03:39:59 * Aethaeryn actually read Hulavuta's nick as Helvetica
20100507 03:40:10< Blarumyrran> In the exams in the end of the school, I wrote that oxidation is reaction with an oxide >_>
20100507 03:40:20< Gambit> rofl
20100507 03:40:25< Blarumyrran> but somehoe i got 70+ %, so there must be many worse people out there
20100507 03:40:29< Gambit> The redox unit was the worst.
20100507 03:41:28< Aethaeryn> I thought I sucked at high school chemistry.
20100507 03:41:45< Aethaeryn> But apparently both the teacher who got fired the year before I took chemistry and the teacher that took over from her were awful teachers.
20100507 03:41:57< Aethaeryn> So I guess my high school just didn't do chemistry well
20100507 03:42:12< Blarumyrran> I had the same with physics
20100507 03:42:21 * Gambit can't wait for physics.
20100507 03:42:34< Aethaeryn> Oh, my physics teacher wasn't that good when I had her for algebra: there was no time on the tests to do all the problems.
20100507 03:42:36< Blarumyrran> The original physics teacher was way too strict, but otherwise good, but he killed himself
20100507 03:42:42< Blarumyrran> and the replacement from there on sucked
20100507 03:42:52< Aethaeryn> But two years later when I had her for physics senior year, she must've gotten better as a teacher since I got As in it. 
20100507 03:43:14< Aethaeryn> It's funny how physics is *so* math-y that they don't even pretend at my old high school that it's not mathy.
20100507 03:43:21< Aethaeryn> They'll have one of the math teachers teach it :P
20100507 03:43:56< Blarumyrran> some is, some isn't
20100507 03:44:04< Aethaeryn> I suppose mine was extra mathy then
20100507 03:44:11< Aethaeryn> idk why ;)
20100507 03:44:18< Hulavuta> Blaru
20100507 03:44:27< Blarumyrran> there are no questions analogous to "explain how an electric motor works" in math
20100507 03:44:29< Hulavuta> I made another rant, and I think this time it's not too obvious
20100507 03:44:35 * Blarumyrran has a look
20100507 03:46:15< Blarumyrran> Just so you'd know, usually when I criticise something, it's because I'm in the mood to criticise rather than because my opinions conflict with that something
20100507 03:48:09< Blarumyrran> I think easy handing out of capital punishment would solve that problem also
20100507 03:48:33< Blarumyrran> Then the question of rehabilitation never appears
20100507 03:48:36< Aethaeryn> eh
20100507 03:48:44< Aethaeryn> it's too inhumane to just kill them all
20100507 03:48:56< Aethaeryn> how about a three strike rule... and then if you get three strikes, you go to the moon colony.
20100507 03:49:07< Aethaeryn> one-way ticket, of course
20100507 03:49:12< Blarumyrran> Why moon colony
20100507 03:49:18< Aethaeryn> then issues of criminals repeat-offending is over
20100507 03:49:26< Aethaeryn> if they're on a remote island they might still be able to swim over
20100507 03:49:31< Blarumyrran> I suspect a prison sentence of 1+ year is usually crueler than death sentence
20100507 03:49:36< Aethaeryn> if they're literally dropped from a ship into a moon colony, there's no way in.
20100507 03:49:41< Aethaeryn> *no way out
20100507 03:49:47< Aethaeryn> drop 'em food too
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20100507 03:50:24< Hulavuta> yeah ok...leaving now
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20100507 03:50:37< Aethaeryn> Bye Helvetica
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20100507 04:05:23< PeterPorty> http://www.ibquotes.com/top/100
20100507 04:05:32< PeterPorty> I'm gonna die next yer...
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20100507 04:05:36< PeterPorty> year
20100507 04:06:01< Blarumyrran> what is IB
20100507 04:06:38< PeterPorty> International ba...something
20100507 04:06:47< PeterPorty> like... study plan...
20100507 04:08:44< Blarumyrran> What is a non-international degree then
20100507 04:09:17< Blarumyrran> I think about every degree can be used on job applications abroad
20100507 04:09:29< PeterPorty> like... a national degree.
20100507 04:09:45< PeterPorty> for instance, im in chile, i can take the national plan or the ib
20100507 04:10:33< PeterPorty> if i wanna go study/work in europe/US i take ib, if i wanna have a life and sleep at least 2 hours, i take national plan
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20100507 04:18:50< PeterPorty> answering your question Blarumyrran, Quote #221 "IB stands for internationally bitch-slapped."
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20100507 04:22:26< Aethaeryn> international bachaloreate
20100507 04:22:30< Aethaeryn> or bacheloreate
20100507 04:22:47< PeterPorty> that too
20100507 04:23:09< Aethaeryn> or however you spell it
20100507 04:23:15< Aethaeryn> bachalorheate
20100507 04:24:22< Gambit> bachelorette?
20100507 04:26:30< Blarumyrran> i thought is' just bachelorship
20100507 04:26:33 * Blarumyrran loves ships
20100507 04:26:43< Blarumyrran> as a suffix
20100507 04:26:52< Blarumyrran> it's*
20100507 04:27:13 * Aethaeryn doesn't like ships; gets seasick
20100507 04:29:03< Blarumyrran> I wish I had a ship
20100507 04:29:07< Blarumyrran> with like, a cannon
20100507 04:29:14< Blarumyrran> which which i could like, shoot things
20100507 04:29:48< Aethaeryn> but then you'd be a pirate
20100507 04:29:52< Aethaeryn> and being a pirate is evil and immoral, right?
20100507 04:29:56< Blarumyrran> No, I could shoot birds on the shore
20100507 04:30:04< Aethaeryn> You wouldn't steal a purse...
20100507 04:30:08< Aethaeryn> You wouldn't steal a car...
20100507 04:30:19< Gambit> No he'd be "like" a pirate.
20100507 04:30:25< Blarumyrran> Yeah, like totally
20100507 04:30:28< Gambit> A like... good pirate.
20100507 04:30:44< Aethaeryn> u r a pirate
20100507 04:30:50< Aethaeryn> yarrr harr 
20100507 04:31:53< Gambit> no.
20100507 04:31:59< Gambit> You just like, don't get it.
20100507 04:32:02< Gambit> He's only like a pirate.
20100507 04:32:12< Aethaeryn> :o
20100507 04:32:31< Aethaeryn> But if he's only like a pirate for shooting random things from a boat with a cannon...
20100507 04:32:38< Gambit> No.
20100507 04:32:43< Aethaeryn> Then how the hell are people literal pirates for downloading stuff?
20100507 04:32:44< Blarumyrran> Pirates don't shoot at random things
20100507 04:32:50< Gambit> He's only like a pirate for like shooting random things from a boat with like a cannon.
20100507 04:32:52< Blarumyrran> pirates shoot at oil tankers and take people hostage
20100507 04:33:08< Blarumyrran> or shoot at people and take oil tankers hostage
20100507 04:33:11< Aethaeryn> There's a South Park on the pirates
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20100507 04:42:56< Gambit> there's a wkuk skit about pirates
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20100507 05:01:49< PeterPorty> ok, bye guys, I decided I like my life, I'm not taking IB, so I CAN sleep... c ya, sleep well.
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20100507 05:02:08< Gambit> That was the fake Peter right?
20100507 05:03:21 * Gambit scrolls back
20100507 05:03:27< Gambit> Yes!
20100507 05:08:55< Aethaeryn> Gambit: are we allowed to have multiple registered names for the MP server?
20100507 05:09:07< Aethaeryn> I came up with a good secondary account name :P
20100507 05:09:14< Aethaeryn> m
20100507 05:09:22< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I think the question is: are you allowed to have multiple forum accounts?
20100507 05:09:32< Aethaeryn> well, it wouldn't be for forums
20100507 05:09:41< Aethaeryn> it would be for MP, it's just that multiple forum accounts is the only way to do it
20100507 05:09:56< Aethaeryn> it's more of a joke name anyway
20100507 05:10:33< Gambit> Yeah but are you to use it a lot?
20100507 05:10:42< Aethaeryn> maybe
20100507 05:10:51< Gambit> If it's just a one or two time thing then why bother registering?
20100507 05:10:59< Aethaeryn> I do often connect to the server more than once
20100507 05:11:05< Aethaeryn> usually to watch the lobby or obs two games
20100507 05:11:06< Aethaeryn> or something
20100507 05:11:24< Aethaeryn> It's a good name too :)
20100507 05:11:35< Gambit> telllll meee
20100507 05:11:45< Aethaeryn> only if you promise not to register it
20100507 05:11:49< Aethaeryn> if you do I'll just think of another
20100507 05:12:02< Gambit> I won't register it.
20100507 05:12:05< Gambit> I have Gambit.
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20100507 09:29:14< chovynz> Is someone here an admin for  Wesnoth? I'm looking for someone who can answer an potential copyright infringement question.
20100507 09:31:15< zookeeper> go ahead and ask and someone will reply sooner or later
20100507 09:35:23< gamefreak264> chovynz: I think #wesnoth-dev might be a better place to ask that question but don't quote me on that
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20100507 09:37:03< chovynz> Thanks gamefreak264 . I'll ask here anyway. hopefully someone can help :)
20100507 09:37:49< gamefreak264> it seems to me that there would be more admins hanging out in a developer channel, but I'm not sure if you're supposed to ask those types of questions there
20100507 09:37:59< gamefreak264> So..yeah... you should probably ask here
20100507 09:39:02< chovynz> I'm a librarian on the Openclipart.org website. We host Public Domain cliparts for anyone to use. Awhile ago someone uploaded a character that is described as a Wesnoth character. I'm checking to see if those cliparts are actually Public domain or if they are copyrighted in any way. The cliparts can be found at http://www.openclipart.org/detail/16636, http://www.openclipart.org/detail/16656,...
20100507 09:39:03< chovynz> ...and http://www.openclipart.org/detail/16748
20100507 09:39:59< chovynz> They look very similar to the characters on the wiki already, so I was wondering if we need to do something about the Openclipart ones.
20100507 09:40:38< chovynz> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothFigures#Konrad
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20100507 09:44:15< zookeeper> chovynz, those pictures themselves aren't from wesnoth, and i doubt any of our art devs or contributors drew them. obviously they're based on the wesnoth portraits, and especially the delfador one looks like it's just traced over the original.
20100507 09:44:58< chovynz> So does anyone know who drew the originals?
20100507 09:45:35< Vornicus> Wesnoth art is apparently technically under the GPL; I'm... not entirely certain what that means for non-code things.
20100507 09:46:30< chovynz> Still, GPL isn't PD as far as I'm aware. If we are unable to get the original authors permission, I think we may have to remove these cliparts. (which is a real shame because they are fantastic!)
20100507 09:47:33< chovynz> Would there be someone here who can see the history of that page and let me know who uploaded those pix?
20100507 09:47:45< zookeeper> just wait a moment, you'll get an answer of some kind in a bit..
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20100507 09:50:26< Ivanovic> moin
20100507 09:52:42< zookeeper> chovynz, jetrel is the artist who drew the originals, and he says he doesn't have a problem with it, so no, you don't have to remove them. those are notably lower-quality drawings based on the originals anyway, not direct derivative works IMO
20100507 09:53:21< zookeeper> you can look at the original konrad and delfador portraits here: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/images/portraits/
20100507 09:53:56< zookeeper> well, actually he linked to those himself already, it seems...
20100507 09:54:24< chovynz> Thank you. You're sure they can be used with the Public Domain licence? once there that decision is irreversible. See http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/ for more info.
20100507 09:56:40< zookeeper> i don't think that distributing those as PD would be in violation of jetrel's copyrights. sounds like a rather far-fetched idea since as you can see, they're different drawings, even if based on jetrel's portraits.
20100507 09:58:36< zookeeper> and even in the (IMO very unlikely) case that someone could argue that there's a problem, you can be sure jetrel wouldn't sue anyone over those.
20100507 10:00:00< chovynz> Well I guess we can leave them as is for now. Thanks for your work in checking for me. 
20100507 10:01:32< zookeeper> no problem
20100507 10:01:34< zookeeper> <Jetrel> zookeeper: If it satisfies anyone, my original konrad/lisar can be public domain.  I mean, fuck it.
20100507 10:01:46< zookeeper> i guess that should make it pretty clear there's no problem ;)
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20100507 10:04:53< chovynz> lol.
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20100507 15:35:44< ghyr-easeus> hi
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20100507 15:39:05< Gregorius> cookie?
20100507 15:39:09< Gregorius> can you read this?
20100507 15:39:33< CookieBite> yes :)
20100507 15:39:55< Gregorius> great :D thought connection was gone, seems only everyone sleeping
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20100507 16:16:48< Gregorius> so quiet here...
20100507 16:17:21< Kenpachi> yep
20100507 16:18:21< Gregorius> server restart, I guess the ones I played with don't know they need to quit MP and then reconnect...
20100507 16:18:48< Soliton> depends whether they can read or not.
20100507 16:19:17< Gregorius> sometimes it seems the server is full of peapole who don't read
20100507 16:19:46< Gregorius> like during a brotherhood of Light, I told him to free Spearman, not elf, he went and freed the elve...
20100507 16:20:18< Gregorius> k, one of them found the way
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20100507 17:38:20< Gregorius> strange, I have a poisoned ally leader and some recalls with poison not removed...
20100507 17:39:26< Soliton> report to the campaign author.
20100507 17:41:43< Gregorius> I don't think it's about the autor, recalling always works same
20100507 17:41:49< Gregorius> I made bugreport
20100507 17:42:13< Unnheulu> Wow, I'm loving SoF
20100507 17:42:28< Gregorius> recalling isn't adjusted by author, it's always default
20100507 17:42:31< Gregorius> SoF?
20100507 17:42:40< Unnheulu> Sceptre of Fire
20100507 17:42:54< Gregorius> ah
20100507 17:43:04< Gregorius> yeah, that's a good one
20100507 17:43:53< Unnheulu> I've only completed Liberty, South Guard, Heir to the Throne, Two Brothers and Elvish Incursion
20100507 17:44:01< Unnheulu> Usually when I complete one I stop playing for ages
20100507 17:46:01< Unnheulu> My favourite music is the stuff from 1.2 when I started playing :/
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20100507 17:46:12< Unnheulu> The new ones are cool and all, but...
20100507 17:52:09< Gregorius> I think some cool addons were left begind, yes
20100507 17:52:22< Gregorius> Like the good old A new land eras
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20100507 18:01:10< Soliton> Gregorius: you reported at bugs.wesnoth.org?
20100507 18:02:22< Gregorius> no
20100507 18:02:33< Gregorius> forums.wesnoth.org techincal support
20100507 18:02:44< Soliton> ok.
20100507 18:02:51< Gregorius> didn't even know bugs.wesnoth.org exists
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20100507 18:02:58< Soliton> anyway, as i said tell it to the author.
20100507 18:03:08< Soliton> it is not a bug in wesnoth.
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20100507 18:03:51< Unnheulu> Some of Eleazer's new terrains/updates to old are sooo cool
20100507 18:03:57< Unnheulu> (I mean updates to old, honest!)
20100507 18:04:18< Gregorius> hu?
20100507 18:04:31< Gregorius> I tried connecting to bugs.wesnoth.org
20100507 18:04:47< Gregorius> it then said conection to gna.org not trusted
20100507 18:04:58< Gregorius> and got me to opeensource
20100507 18:05:04< Unnheulu> Add an exception
20100507 18:05:19< Unnheulu> It just means they haven't paid for the certificate, or something
20100507 18:05:46< Soliton> their certificate expired.
20100507 18:05:55< Soliton> it's self signed anyway iirc.
20100507 18:06:00< Unnheulu> Same difference
20100507 18:06:07< Unnheulu> It's been like that for years
20100507 18:06:11< Soliton> no.
20100507 18:06:22< Unnheulu> (Or at least the times I've tried connecting, maybe I've always been unlucky)
20100507 18:08:08< Soliton> actually looks like they extended it already.
20100507 18:11:07< Unnheulu> Wow, the communist party got over 150 votes where I live
20100507 18:11:51< Unnheulu> I wonder if TSI was one of those voters...
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20100507 18:51:38< Unnheulu> Why on *earth* is SoF an expert campaign?
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20100507 19:36:49< azashoriu> hi
20100507 19:37:02< Unnheulu> Hiah
20100507 19:37:19< azashoriu> i have problem in the version 1.8.1, i can't click on anything when is windowed
20100507 19:38:18< azashoriu> somebody know how to fix that?
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20100507 19:38:43< sevis> azashoriu: What version of SDL do you have?
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20100507 19:38:55< azashoriu> 1.2.14
20100507 19:39:25< sevis> Downgrade to 1.2.13.
20100507 19:39:41 * Unnheulu_ winces
20100507 19:39:48< azashoriu> and without downgrade? there is no patch?
20100507 19:39:55< Unnheulu_> Why can't they keep things backwards compatible
20100507 19:40:11< sevis> You can write a patch if you want, sure.
20100507 19:41:12< sevis> Unnheulu_: As far as I know it works on some systems, and they intend to fix it for others someday.
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20100507 19:42:23< azashoriu> sevis: good answer ;)
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20100507 19:44:32< sevis> As far as I know, this is considered entirely an upstream issue that Wesnoth devs cannot/will not fix, and although I suspect it could be repaired locally, merging that into upstream would probably be nightmarish.
20100507 19:46:48< sevis> On another note, SDL is so much easier than I had expected. O.o
20100507 19:47:12< Unnheulu_> sdl_ttf?
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20100507 19:47:22< sevis> Didn't get to there yet.
20100507 19:47:41< sevis> Just general SDL, I thought I'd be sufferingg much more than I am.
20100507 19:49:04< sevis> Why is ttf much harder?
20100507 19:49:12< Unnheulu_> I hate it.
20100507 19:49:22< sevis> How come?
20100507 19:49:30 * Unnheulu_ shrugs
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20100507 19:54:36< azashoriu> sevis: thanks, works fine with the 1.2.13 version ;)
20100507 19:54:36< azashoriu> cya
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20100507 20:34:03 * Gambit envies artists so much :(
20100507 20:34:36< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=426905#p426905
20100507 20:35:25< Gambit> It just isn't human.
20100507 20:35:46< Gambit> They're clearly a seperate, more highly evolved species.
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20100507 20:37:05< towski> man wesnoth on the ipad seems to have lots of out of sync errors
20100507 20:37:21< towski> people keep quitting and I think it's because they think I'm cheating
20100507 20:39:03< shadowmaster> sad
20100507 20:40:07< Gambit> Hi shadowmaster!
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20100507 22:26:29< Gregorius> wonder why nobody ever writes a thing in here, full of peapole but usually no talks
20100507 22:27:03< sevis> Well, why don't you suggest something for us to talk about?
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20100507 22:28:02< Gregorius> how bout e.g. when the next GEB will be out, can't wait for it to be out for 1.8
20100507 22:28:14< Gregorius> but I guess Gambit is afk^^
20100507 22:28:27< Gambit> :$
20100507 22:28:32< Gregorius> or not
20100507 22:28:40< sevis> GEB?
20100507 22:28:48< Gregorius> Gambits Empire Builder
20100507 22:28:59< Gambit> Gregorius: When I have time to update all the menus to the pango markup and fix miscellaneous bugs that have been pointed out to me since the last version
20100507 22:29:08< Gambit> ETA: End of may (?)
20100507 22:29:17< Gambit> Early june
20100507 22:29:29 * Gambit goes back to making website
20100507 22:29:30< Gregorius> alright
20100507 22:30:26< Gregorius> I think macros would be a good theme, I think they are somewhat the hardest thing to be programmed here
20100507 22:30:52< Gregorius> looking at GEB macros I saw teleporters were quite simple while ships gave me a headache
20100507 22:31:05< Gregorius> think I'll try to get them more in the future
20100507 22:32:08< Gregorius> no good theme it seems...
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20100507 22:46:43< Gambit> Also I'm considering renaming it to "The Empire Builder"
20100507 22:48:20< Gambit> Gregorius: Yes the ships are complicated.
20100507 22:48:55< Gambit> the first macro just defines the option for when you disembark
20100507 22:49:10< Gambit> Since there are 15 slots on a ship, I didn't want to have that typed out 15 times
20100507 22:49:40< Gambit> The second one is the macro that kills each compartment when a ship dies.
20100507 22:49:49< Gambit> The third one is the option that displays for getting on a ship.
20100507 22:50:15< Gambit> Looking back, I can't believe that took a year for me to invent... :\
20100507 22:50:35< Gambit> But no use crying over wasted time. :)
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20100507 22:57:12< Gregorius> this gives me a even bigger headache, I only read through a few of them, three macros for a single unit type...
20100507 22:57:55< Gregorius> seems somewhat overdoing it but sounds like this makes it less complicated
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20100507 23:14:42< Hulavuta> Hi
20100507 23:16:20< Gregorius> hi
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20100507 23:22:36< PetePorty> Hello
20100507 23:22:41< Gregorius> hello
20100507 23:22:52< PetePorty> Gregorius!
20100507 23:23:01< PetePorty> how are you man?
20100507 23:26:56< Gregorius> good
20100507 23:27:23< PetePorty> awesome...
20100507 23:27:27< Gregorius> should I know you? You meet so many peapole you can't remember all of them
20100507 23:27:43< PetePorty> nope, first time I've seen you... 
20100507 23:27:47< PetePorty> :)
20100507 23:28:10< PetePorty> just wanted to see your reaction...
20100507 23:28:16< Gregorius> then you weren't on MP server yet, I often play ageless era World conquest there
20100507 23:28:45< Gregorius> I'm not a pro but good enough to beat the brown stuff out of the AI
20100507 23:29:21< PetePorty> uhhh...I'm pretty surre everyone here does that...
20100507 23:31:19< Gregorius> yeah^^
20100507 23:32:14< PetePorty> :)
20100507 23:34:49< Hulavuta> OH NO
20100507 23:36:02< PetePorty> what?
20100507 23:37:12< Hulavuta> idk
20100507 23:37:16< PetePorty> ...
20100507 23:38:20< Hulavuta> I have a question
20100507 23:38:34< PetePorty> ask it then
20100507 23:38:37< Hulavuta> It's directed to campaign designers though.
20100507 23:39:29< PetePorty> ok, go to devs
20100507 23:39:34< Hulavuta> wut
20100507 23:39:39< PetePorty> #wesnoth_dev
20100507 23:41:30< Hulavuta> I thought thats for the actual development of the game
20100507 23:41:56< PetePorty> uhhh... who cares?
20100507 23:42:23< Hulavuta> It's not the place for my question then...
20100507 23:42:44< PetePorty> I'm not sure though
20100507 23:42:59< Hulavuta> Well I went there, and apparently the topic is about patches for the game...
20100507 23:43:27< Espreon> Hulavuta: Next time, try waiting longer.
20100507 23:43:40< PetePorty> #wesnoth-umc-dev
20100507 23:44:08< PetePorty> then... I guess...
20100507 23:44:12< Hulavuta> So they're talking about different stuff?
20100507 23:45:43< Espreon> #wesnoth-dev is for the development of the game; #wesnoth-umc-dev is for the Wesnoth-UMC-Dev project... so... yeahz...
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20100507 23:52:35< Hulavuta> So Pete....
20100507 23:52:37< Hulavuta> Lessplay
20100507 23:52:55< Hulavuta> nah jk'
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