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20100508 00:04:08< PetePorty> :(
20100508 00:04:11< PetePorty> why not?
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20100508 01:01:46< hagabaka> finally I beat IftU, easy mode and cheating multiple times :p
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20100508 04:54:05< Gambit> The bigger they are, the harder they fall, but their pain threshhold is way higher too.
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20100508 04:54:38< Androgeos> Gambit probably never read about the Viking at Stamford Bridge...
20100508 04:55:11< Androgeos> Or maybe I'm just reading his message wrong...
20100508 04:56:33< Aethaeryn> Androgeos: I think Gambit is saying that although they fall harder by being bigger, they also in general have more HP
20100508 04:56:36< Aethaeryn> Look at a yeti.
20100508 04:56:37< Aethaeryn> I mean seriously.
20100508 04:56:56< Aethaeryn> 142 HP
20100508 04:57:01< Androgeos> Yeah, that's probably what he meant.
20100508 04:57:24< Androgeos> My initial interpretation was that they had to suffer more as well.
20100508 04:57:37< Aethaeryn> There should be a giant-slayer special
20100508 04:58:08< Aethaeryn> where you do 1/10 of the unit's HP in damage
20100508 04:58:14< Aethaeryn> rounded up
20100508 04:58:23< Aethaeryn> (total HP, not current)
20100508 04:58:33< Aethaeryn> so if the unit has 8 HP, you do 1 damage. If the Unit has 142 HP, you do 15 damage.
20100508 04:58:48< Androgeos> 15 damage isn't a lot, though.
20100508 04:59:38< Aethaeryn> well, that's just one strike
20100508 04:59:43< Aethaeryn> so if he's a 4-striker
20100508 04:59:54< Aethaeryn> he does 1-4 against a unit with 8 HP and 15-4 against a yeti
20100508 05:00:32< Aethaeryn> 15-4 is potentially 60 total damage, or over 4/10 of the yeti's HP
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20100508 05:18:30< Androgeos> 60 is nice.
20100508 05:19:13< Androgeos> I still remember that Colosseum match I played several months ago.
20100508 05:20:36< Androgeos> At the end of it, I had a Dragonguard that had a 42-9 Dragonstaff attack or something like that. The Fire Dragons just kept falling before it. Only the Skeletal Dragons stood a chance against it, and they ultimately won.
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20100508 05:22:31< Blarumyrran> I played the Colosseum once or twice
20100508 05:22:39< Blarumyrran> It was pretty silly
20100508 05:22:54< Blarumyrran> Like, you couldn't recruit anything, so what's the point
20100508 05:23:30< Androgeos> I think the point of that was to upgrade one unit into a unit of mass destruction, then see how long it can last.
20100508 05:24:04< Aethaeryn> kinda like how TV Tropes have subverted tropes
20100508 05:24:33< Blarumyrran> I bet an AI who could play that optimally would be some 20 lines long
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20100508 05:25:13< Androgeos> I don't really see the point of subverted tropes in TV Tropes, to be honest.
20100508 05:25:26< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: I agree, you just need to tell them what to buy or w/e
20100508 05:25:34< Blarumyrran> yep
20100508 05:25:44< Aethaeryn> survival xtreme is even worse at this
20100508 05:25:49< Aethaeryn> Androgeos: Because they're being new and edgy...
20100508 05:25:53< Aethaeryn> Until they're immitated for being cool
20100508 05:25:56< Aethaeryn> 80 times.
20100508 05:26:06< Androgeos> Default AI just goes BANZAI!!! at everything. XD
20100508 05:26:26< Blarumyrran> Because the AI who can play normal wesnoth optimally wouldn't be 20 lines long
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20100508 05:27:37< Aethaeryn> if you just needed to tell the normal wesnoth AI what to buy, then maybe you could get it down to 20 lines
20100508 05:28:06< Aethaeryn> but really, how hard is it to tell an AI to get a dwarvish thunderer, and buy strikes/damage at an optimal ratio to maximize damage-per-gold?
20100508 05:28:12< Aethaeryn> I mean, they'd probably do it more efficiently than humans :P
20100508 05:28:29< Aethaeryn> I've tried ratio'ing the game and it's mostly just estimates, especially late... hard to keep track
20100508 05:28:33< Androgeos> They might...
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20100508 05:29:58< Androgeos> Does anyone know what RCA AI is?
20100508 05:30:14< Aethaeryn> google rca and find out?
20100508 05:31:13< Androgeos> I mean, I see it and the Default AI as choices in Wesnoth, and I don't know what's the difference.
20100508 05:32:01< Aethaeryn> damn
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20100508 05:32:51< Aethaeryn> trunk's all buggy
20100508 05:32:59< Aethaeryn> already
20100508 05:33:55 * Androgeos reads up on the 1.8.1 release notes and likes what he is reading.
20100508 05:34:16< Aethaeryn> 1.8.1 was a while ago
20100508 05:35:30< Aethaeryn> I know the translations had to be in really, really early Saturday
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20100508 07:24:58< halifix> Blue Water Province: to my p: "Only recruit enough for nearby villages and go to next keep plz"
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20100508 07:25:22< halifix> response: "I know, I'm not noob," then recruit 5 units to capture 2 villages and send leader to village behind him
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20100508 08:06:45< Ivanovic> moin
20100508 08:19:54< halifix> you change host in the morning? lol
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20100508 15:13:31< Hulavuta> Hi?
20100508 15:15:01< SekoIdiootti> hi
20100508 15:15:55< Kenpachi> hello
20100508 15:16:07< Hulavuta> hi
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20100508 15:25:16< Hulavuta> so...
20100508 15:25:55< Kenpachi> people only talk here when they have something to say or ask.
20100508 15:26:10< Kenpachi> hence it's often quiet
20100508 15:27:08< sevis> Or when someone mentions Vista or window managers.
20100508 15:29:01< Hulavuta> I know
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20100508 16:47:57< tapik> Hi gyus!
20100508 16:48:33< tapik> Does anybody now what did happen with A New Order<
20100508 16:48:52< tapik> ...know...
20100508 16:56:57< zookeeper> tapik, nothing?
20100508 17:00:30< tapik> Do you mean "nothing, it is normally maintained, ported to 1.8 and you have to search better", or "nothing, arkadiusz stopped his work, the latest version, downloadable from WesCamp, is compatible with 1.4 and nothing new"?
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20100508 17:11:00< zookeeper> tapik, the latter
20100508 17:11:09< zookeeper> although i don't know the details
20100508 17:12:31< tapik> :-(
20100508 17:12:52< zookeeper> if you don't find it on the 1.6/1.8 add-on server and in its thread no one has said they're working on it, then it's pretty safe to assume that it's unmaintained atm.
20100508 17:14:21< tapik> So I have to port it myself :-(
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20100508 17:15:09< zookeeper> tapik, yep
20100508 17:16:02< tapik> Do you know how to get latest sources from 1.4 addon server without installing the 1.4 Wesnoth?
20100508 17:16:03 * zookeeper automatically dislikes every campaign with aragwaith, except IftU
20100508 17:16:19< zookeeper> http://add-ons.wesnoth.org ?
20100508 17:16:37< zookeeper> or some url like that, can't remember.
20100508 17:16:52< tapik> whow! Thanks.
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20100508 17:49:31< Aethaeryn> Anyone want to play my /s/new/revised RPG map?
20100508 17:51:31< zookeeper> what's it like?
20100508 17:51:49< zookeeper> not that i could play _now_, but maybe later..
20100508 17:53:42< Aethaeryn> basically like you give the host debug mode and an editor to make up RPGs on-the-spot
20100508 17:53:48< gamefreak264> Aethaeryn: Sounds like fun, but I'm kinda busy right now
20100508 17:53:53< gamefreak264> I love your stuff, though
20100508 17:53:58< gamefreak264> Keep it up
20100508 17:53:59< gamefreak264> ;o
20100508 17:54:21< Aethaeryn> I've had some fun games. Particularly the last one I played... Sunday-into-Monday
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20100508 18:04:56< Eam_> HI!
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20100508 18:08:41< sevis> Gah, why does programming have so many fun things that I don't have the time to do? Dx
20100508 18:10:02< Eam_> sevis I can not make a link from wesnoth.pastebin.
20100508 18:11:11< sevis> Eam_: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/24RB0pb5
20100508 18:11:41< sevis> Seems to work fine.
20100508 18:12:47< Eam_> Oh. It just popped up.
20100508 18:13:38< Eam_> That message about libstdc++ is my latest problem.
20100508 18:15:31< Eam_> I took advice from you and cph and loonycyborg and managed to compile both wesnoth 1.8 and 1.8.1 but they both gave that message in make check and neither will work for that reason.
20100508 18:15:58< sevis> I've never given anyone advice on compiling, so you're confusing me with someone.
20100508 18:16:07< Eam_> But I can not figure out why: if it was boost or wesnoth I messed up on.
20100508 18:16:16< sevis> Although, maybe I have.
20100508 18:16:32< sevis> You have a horribly outdated and minimal system, if I remember correctly?
20100508 18:17:00< Eam_> I wrote down who showed me what somewhere. :) Wait a minute.
20100508 18:17:56< Eam_> Sevis. Oh I might of lost my notes somehow.
20100508 18:18:10< sevis> I think I was the one to tell you about symlinks.
20100508 18:18:22< Eam_> Yes.
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20100508 18:19:13< Eam_> And you all showed me how to help Wesnoth and Boost find gcc-4.3.4 in the prefix I gave it.
20100508 18:19:29< Gambit> You'd think by Internet Explorer _Eight_ they'd finally have :hover for all tags :\
20100508 18:19:58< sevis> Eam_: If you pastebin the error, I could try to figure something out, but I'm horrible at all this.
20100508 18:20:05< Eam_> But because of the libstdc++ situation it doen not work.
20100508 18:20:38< sevis> What's wrong with libstdc++?
20100508 18:20:46< Eam_> That link I put on before is from "make check" and explains it.
20100508 18:21:25< sevis> I see no link.
20100508 18:26:04< Eam_> Oh. That was your link not mine.
20100508 18:29:13< sevis> Anyone remember the command to remove double results from a command's output?
20100508 18:30:27< Aethaeryn> Gambit: If you want IE to get better, don't use it. The worst IE was at its peak in user share, and they keep adding more features as they drop users like crazy.
20100508 18:30:47< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Well I thought it was working in IE8
20100508 18:31:01< Aethaeryn> :P
20100508 18:31:05< Gambit> ancestral's bestiary has it
20100508 18:31:11< Gambit> He musth ave some sort of work around
20100508 18:31:21 * Gambit waits to ambush him :o
20100508 18:31:21< Aethaeryn> Gambit: what is your current education level?
20100508 18:31:43< Gambit> Highschool Junior + a few early college classes.
20100508 18:31:58< Aethaeryn> There's a reason I didn't touch computer classes in high school.
20100508 18:32:18< Gambit> They weren't invented yet?
20100508 18:32:21< Aethaeryn> Well, two actually.
20100508 18:32:22< Gambit> JK you're not that old :P
20100508 18:32:28 * Gambit thinks...
20100508 18:32:40< Aethaeryn> They'll teach you stupid stuff assuming you can't really learn it, thus making it boring.
20100508 18:32:50< Aethaeryn> And they'll focus on really stupid things like "you must use IE"
20100508 18:33:07< Gambit> I don't take my school's tech classes
20100508 18:33:08< Aethaeryn> That kinda thinking has been gone everywhere BUT academia for 6 years
20100508 18:33:09< Blarumyrran> Then the problem is in your high school, is it not
20100508 18:33:15< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Internet-explorer-usage-data.svg
20100508 18:33:24< Blarumyrran> not in the concept of having such classes in high schools
20100508 18:33:38< Gambit> I don't take my highschools tech classes.
20100508 18:33:44< Gambit> They focus entirely on MS Office
20100508 18:33:51< Gambit> and really really really really really really basic html
20100508 18:33:53< Aethaeryn> Extrapolating, it's pretty easy to assume that 1-2 years from now, IE will be under 50%
20100508 18:34:02< Blarumyrran> I took it, and it was pascal and java
20100508 18:34:18< Blarumyrran> in the end, we had to write an AI for Go
20100508 18:34:40< Blarumyrran> I suppose it varies per country & school & teacher a lot
20100508 18:35:03< Aethaeryn> very much so.
20100508 18:35:07< Aethaeryn> Even at the university level
20100508 18:35:20< sevis> Hm, my school's IT classes are fine.
20100508 18:35:23< Aethaeryn> I'm lucky my university is big on UNIX/Linux
20100508 18:35:31< Aethaeryn> If I went to a university in... say... Washington
20100508 18:35:35< Aethaeryn> I would probably have to transfer out :P
20100508 18:35:40< Blarumyrran> How do you know
20100508 18:35:42< Aethaeryn> (Washington state)
20100508 18:35:51< Aethaeryn> Think about that one for a second.
20100508 18:35:57 * Blarumyrran thinks
20100508 18:36:04< Aethaeryn> What's one of the biggest companies from Washington, just east of Seattle...
20100508 18:36:07< Aethaeryn> A town called "Redmond"
20100508 18:36:18< Blarumyrran> I actually thought redmond is somewhere in the west
20100508 18:36:25< Aethaeryn> Now think what all major universities in Washington with tech programs probably are a feeder into (and are sponsored by)
20100508 18:36:29< Blarumyrran> near the big mountains or whatever you call them
20100508 18:36:35< Aethaeryn> Rocky Mountains
20100508 18:36:45< Blarumyrran> Right. Is that a silly name or what.
20100508 18:36:46< Aethaeryn> And yeah, Washington state is in the west, north of California
20100508 18:37:03< Eam_> usr/local/bin/ld: warning: libstdc++.so.5, needed by /usr/local/lib/libboost_iostreams-gcc43-mt-1_39.so, may conflict with libstdc++.so.6
20100508 18:37:04< Aethaeryn> It's just confusing because Washington (D.C.) the city is in the east coast
20100508 18:37:16< Blarumyrran> I know where DC is
20100508 18:37:18< Aethaeryn> So where I am (and probably internationally) "Washington" means DC
20100508 18:37:29< Blarumyrran> I just didn't know where redmond is apparently
20100508 18:37:31< Aethaeryn> but on the west coast "Washington" probably means the state
20100508 18:37:32< Aethaeryn> ah
20100508 18:37:34< Eam_> That is rude what I did but could not get the link to work.
20100508 18:37:46< Gambit> wtf
20100508 18:37:52< Gambit> ancestral's website has pretty much the same thing as me
20100508 18:37:53< Gambit> and it works
20100508 18:38:15< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: You mean you DIDN'T look up Redmond, Mountain View, and Cupertino on Google Earth when bored one day and out of things to look up?
20100508 18:38:34< Blarumyrran> nop, I've never heard of Mountain View and Cupertino
20100508 18:38:46< Aethaeryn> Gambit: 'cuz ancestral uses Apple products.
20100508 18:39:02< Gambit> What does that even mean?
20100508 18:39:05< Gambit> Same code, same browser.
20100508 18:39:11< Eam_> sevis That message by "make check" tells what went wron after make install.
20100508 18:39:17< Eam_> Did you see it?
20100508 18:39:26< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Ah, it's a linguistic thing. Our news sometimes refer to a major organization by where they're in... There's a term for it but I can't think of it right now.
20100508 18:39:47< Aethaeryn> So "Washington" or "DC" might be referring to the government there, just like "Mountain View" is synonymous with Google and "Redmond" with Microsoft.
20100508 18:39:56< Blarumyrran> Yeah, I konw all about your obsession with geographic locations over there
20100508 18:40:02< Aethaeryn> Since English has a thing where if you repeat a word too often, it's bad.
20100508 18:40:03< Blarumyrran> "Afro-American"... ffs
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20100508 18:40:26< sevis> Eam_: Yes, I did. I have idea how you could fix it, other than perhaps rebuilding libstdc++.
20100508 18:42:10< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Well, if you had a country roughly equivilant to the European Union but all speaking one language, you'd have to find something other than nationality to build differences. In our case, vaguely defined regions.
20100508 18:42:23< Aethaeryn> People like focusing on differences.
20100508 18:42:33< Blarumyrran> ...what
20100508 18:42:48< Blarumyrran> Afro-America isn't a region of America
20100508 18:42:57< Aethaeryn> oh, that's just political correctness
20100508 18:43:02< Blarumyrran> Yes
20100508 18:43:06< Aethaeryn> If you use a term enough, it takes on a negative connonation
20100508 18:43:10< Aethaeryn> so they need to keep changing it.
20100508 18:43:27< Blarumyrran> None of the previous words for it were geographical though
20100508 18:43:30< Gambit> wesbot: seen ancestral?
20100508 18:43:30< wesbot> Gambit: The person with the nick ancestral 9h 17m ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: Quit: And that's the end of THAT chapter.
20100508 18:43:47< Aethaeryn> "Retarded" once just meant "slow" but that's too rude. So you say "special" but then *that* started being used as a cultural insult term. So now you say "mentally handicapped" or something.
20100508 18:44:19< Aethaeryn> Political correctness is all about avoiding offending someone
20100508 18:44:34< Blarumyrran> Only because there's no convenient geographical location for all the retarded people
20100508 18:44:48< Blarumyrran> Otherwise I bet you'd name they by it!
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20100508 18:46:48< Eam_> ./wesnoth
20100508 18:46:50< Eam_> ./wesnoth: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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20100508 18:48:26< Eam_> sevis That last message is the one it gives afte "make install" when I try to use wesnoth at the command line.
20100508 18:49:46< Eam_> It say "libstdc++.so6.: canot open sared object file: No such file or directory"
20100508 18:50:12< Eam_> cannot
20100508 18:50:13< sevis> What is libstdc++.so.6, in this case?
20100508 18:50:41< Euthanatos> Eam_, i've had that before
20100508 18:51:04< Euthanatos> Eam_, what distro?
20100508 18:51:19< Eam_> The one gcc-4.3.4 made.
20100508 18:51:23< Euthanatos> no
20100508 18:51:26< Euthanatos> linux distro
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20100508 18:52:42< Euthanatos> also
20100508 18:52:48< Euthanatos> what is 'make check'??
20100508 18:53:02< Euthanatos> are you using autotools?
20100508 18:53:07< Euthanatos> or what
20100508 18:53:52< Eam_> inux:/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/lib # ls libst*
20100508 18:53:54< Eam_> libstdc++.a libstdc++.la libstdc++.so libstdc++.so.6 libstdc++.so.6.0.10
20100508 18:54:01< Euthanatos> dude
20100508 18:54:08< Euthanatos> linux distrobution?
20100508 18:54:18< Euthanatos> slackware? Ubuntu? Mint? Red Hat?
20100508 18:55:08< Euthanatos> what version of libstdc++ do you have now?
20100508 18:55:16< Euthanatos> and what is available in your package manager?
20100508 18:55:23< Eam_> So what went wrong something in boost or something in wesnoth.
20100508 18:55:38< Eam_> I have 2 libstdc++
20100508 18:55:39< Euthanatos> Something in your dependancies
20100508 18:55:43< sevis> Eam_: Please post the output of 'uname -a'
20100508 18:56:15< Eam_> An older .so.5 and the .so.6 stuff in the prefix I installed gcc.
20100508 18:56:42< Euthanatos> this guy is gonna piss me off
20100508 18:57:15< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Guess what :)
20100508 18:57:25< Gambit> I found a fix for IE and it doesn't work in other fking browsers...
20100508 18:58:01< Aethaeryn> yeah, hacks tend to work that way
20100508 18:58:06< Aethaeryn> welcome to the world of web development
20100508 18:58:22< Gambit> All I did was nest the | s inside the s
20100508 18:58:23< Eam_> sevis There is no reason for that. After upgrading everything worked somehow the libstdc++ got crossed up and I don't know how?
20100508 18:58:30< Gambit> Apparently FF doesn't like nontext links
20100508 18:58:55< Aethaeryn> You have to have an IE version and an "everyone else" version... but among the "everyone else" group you have to distinguish between Gecko (Firefox), Webkit (Safari, Chrome), and Presto (Opera, though most people ignore them)
20100508 18:59:15< Aethaeryn> And God help you if Safari and Chrome have individual quirks that differentiate them
20100508 18:59:23< Euthanatos> Eam_, no one can help you if you don't give us some basic understanding of where you're coming from
20100508 18:59:31< Euthanatos> but w/'e figure the shit out yourself
20100508 18:59:37< Gambit> For once I'm going to put "Hello you seem to be using a lame ass-browser. Why not upgrade to Internet Explorer 8?"
20100508 18:59:42< sevis> Eam_: So far, I've asked you three questions and you've not answered any of them. Do you really thing you will get help this way?
20100508 18:59:44< Gambit> Instead of everyone harrassing me the other way round :)
20100508 19:00:15< Eam_> What is there to tell? I have a heavily upgraded old linux.
20100508 19:00:15< Aethaeryn> Right, because let's all go the Microsoft route
20100508 19:00:18< Aethaeryn> "fuck standards"
20100508 19:00:28< Aethaeryn> I hope one day IE has a lower share than Firefox/Chrome
20100508 19:00:31< sevis> Gambit, why? It'd be much more fun to request people to use a less commonly-used and less horrible browser.
20100508 19:00:32< Aethaeryn> Just for lulz
20100508 19:00:35< Eam_> The libstdc++ is the only problem.
20100508 19:00:48< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Why the heck should firefox not allow non-text links?
20100508 19:00:51< Gambit> It is clearly the loser here.
20100508 19:01:15< Eam_> Where did I mess up with boost build or wesnoth compilation or what?
20100508 19:01:19< sevis> Gambit: Because non-text links are hard to navigate to with vimperator.
20100508 19:01:30< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Boot up Firefox. Go to Wikipedia. Click on the Wikipedia globe.
20100508 19:01:41< Aethaeryn> Congratulations, you just went on a non-text link in Firefox.
20100508 19:01:41< sevis> Eam_: Didn't you just say libstdc++ is the only problem?
20100508 19:01:42< Gambit> *non text and non image links
20100508 19:01:47< Aethaeryn> :P
20100508 19:01:52< Eam_> Yes.
20100508 19:01:53< SekoIdiootti> people talk a lot now :0
20100508 19:01:58 * Gambit wants the whole darn table cell to be a link!
20100508 19:02:09< sevis> Then, if you know that much, why can't you figure out what caused it?
20100508 19:02:12< Aethaeryn> Uh, there are ways to click on a whole box
20100508 19:02:18< Aethaeryn> I've been to websites like that before
20100508 19:03:09< sevis> I'm willing to help if you're willing to answer questions, and you don't seem to be.
20100508 19:03:16 * Gambit is still waiting to ambush ancestral for his secret to using :hover pseudo class on everything he darn well pleased, and his secret to eternal youth
20100508 19:03:17< Euthanatos> Gambit, that's a pretty damn obscure bit of functionality to suck M$ cock for
20100508 19:03:46< Gambit> Euthanatos: I know. :(
20100508 19:04:08< Euthanatos> I mean.....if you need it for a website that your frequent....or you're build a complicated functionality website to which such a thing is indispensable I understand
20100508 19:04:16< Eam_> Yes. libstdc++ is the only problem unless there is one beyond that snag.
20100508 19:04:27< Gambit> I'm making buttons using only a table and CSS
20100508 19:04:33< Gambit> IE8 doesn't like td:hover
20100508 19:04:34< Aethaeryn> hah, CSS
20100508 19:04:34< Euthanatos> but those are some pretty goddamn obscure scenarios to be an IE fanboi
20100508 19:04:39< Euthanatos> for
20100508 19:04:42< Gambit> and firefox doesn't like | |
20100508 19:04:45< Aethaeryn> I could code something in CSS that works on everything but IE, I bet you
20100508 19:05:24< Gambit> Euthanatos: This is for a class. The teacher requires everything to look nice in IE8 at 800x600
20100508 19:05:33< Euthanatos> Eam_, nobody can help you go ride a dick unless you want to be more responsive. As it stand you're little more than spam right now
20100508 19:05:51< Gambit> Euthanatos: Like penis jokes much?
20100508 19:05:54< Gambit> lol
20100508 19:06:15< sevis> Eam_: Either answer questions or help yourself. Now, I'd like to have the output of 'uname -a' and 'file /usr/lib/libstdc++*', please.
20100508 19:06:22< Euthanatos> I have a phallic obsession
20100508 19:06:50< Gambit> So I guess now the question is, how to have the website load differently depending on the browser...
20100508 19:06:51< SekoIdiootti> :0
20100508 19:07:05< Gambit> or just fk Firefox and the rest of it's ilk
20100508 19:07:14< Gambit> IE <3
20100508 19:07:23< Euthanatos> make seperatre pages
20100508 19:07:31< Euthanatos> witha front page to link to them
20100508 19:07:31< sevis> Gambit, you scare me.
20100508 19:07:43< Eam_> Because wither wesnoth or boost got crossed up between the one in /usr/lib with the newer one in compiled gcc prefix/lib.
20100508 19:07:48< Gambit> sevis: Why? :(
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20100508 19:08:40< sevis> I didn't ask why, I asked for command output.
20100508 19:09:15< Gambit> sigh
20100508 19:09:18< sevis> Gambit: You seem intelligent, you code, and yet you seem to often pick the worse side.
20100508 19:09:23< Gambit> Wait that wasn't me?
20100508 19:09:27< sevis> Sorry, that previous was to Eam_.
20100508 19:09:28< Gambit> someone else has embarq? XD
20100508 19:09:42< Gambit> Oh lots of others.
20100508 19:09:55< Aethaeryn> Gambit: You are very far in the minority of people. Most people who are technically inclined, especially web developers, hate how they have to treat IE differently. And despise it and its antiquatedness, and the fact that it's only #1 because of underhandedness
20100508 19:10:14< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I care about the computer illiterate :P
20100508 19:10:26< Aethaeryn> Most of IE's market share are people who assume the Internet is a giant "e" or who can't use anything else but IE in their school/office
20100508 19:10:41< Aethaeryn> But even at schools/universities, I've noticed Firefox starting to appear
20100508 19:10:45< Gambit> "The internet's not on my desktop anymore!"
20100508 19:10:53< sevis> See, Gambit, you're saying horribly scary things again.
20100508 19:10:59< Aethaeryn> Gambit: If you care about the computer illiterate, then you should encourage them not to go on IE.
20100508 19:11:02< Aethaeryn> It's a giant security hole.
20100508 19:11:06< Aethaeryn> Giant security hole.
20100508 19:11:22< Aethaeryn> Microsoft wanted to kill all other web browsers by heavily integrating IE... And they're reaping what they sowed.
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20100508 19:12:32< Aethaeryn> IE is not popular because it is good, but rather because of practices that actually got them declared a monopoly until the incoming Bush Administration quietly ignored it.
20100508 19:12:50< Aethaeryn> But, the thing about monopolies that most politicians don't understand, is that they are self-defeating.
20100508 19:13:00< Aethaeryn> Especially in a technical area where the barriers to entry are rather low.
20100508 19:13:13< Blarumyrran> Oh hey look, it's that rant again by Aethaeryn
20100508 19:13:16< sevis> Aethaeryn: Remind me, please, what do you think of Apple/Mac OS X?
20100508 19:13:17< Aethaeryn> And where last year's tech is next year's dinosaur
20100508 19:13:47< Gambit> A lot got fked up in the bush years.
20100508 19:14:01 * Gambit starts spaceship prototype rant
20100508 19:16:07< sevis> Anyone here have a minute to look at some C code and tell me what I'm doing wrong with the array?
20100508 19:16:59< Eam_> libstdc++-3-libc6.1-2-2.10.0.so libstdc++.la libstdc++.so.2.9
20100508 19:17:01< Eam_> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so libstdc++.so libstdc++.so.2.9.0
20100508 19:17:03< Eam_> libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 libstdc++.so.5
20100508 19:17:04< Eam_> libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++.so.5.0.5
20100508 19:17:06< Eam_> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 libstdc++.so.2.8
20100508 19:17:07< Eam_> libstdc++.a libstdc++-3-libc6.1-2-2.10.0.so libstdc++.la libstdc++.so.2.9
20100508 19:17:09< Eam_> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so libstdc++.so libstdc++.so.2.9.0
20100508 19:17:10< Eam_> libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 libstdc++.so.5
20100508 19:17:12< Eam_> libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++.so.5.0.5
20100508 19:17:13< Eam_> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 libstdc++.so.2.8
20100508 19:17:14 * cph thinks that, if not for the channel title, it would be hard to tell what the topic of this channel was.
20100508 19:17:15< Eam_> libstdc++.a libstdc++.so.2.8.0 libstdc++.so.2.8.0
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20100508 19:17:34< sevis> Doesn't this channel autokick after four lines?
20100508 19:17:59< Eam_> I guess I de facto spam rude retart now.
20100508 19:19:22< Gambit> cph: It's a meeting place for wesnothians.
20100508 19:19:24< Gambit> :D
20100508 19:19:45< cph> heheh
20100508 19:19:59< Aethaeryn> sevis: Eam_ Please use pastebin
20100508 19:20:06< Aethaeryn> sevis: The network autokicks after four lines
20100508 19:20:16< Aethaeryn> but the smarter IRC clients delay your paste so you don't spam it all at once
20100508 19:20:31< Eam_> Maybe cph can solve my problem?
20100508 19:20:37< sevis> Aethaeryn: Ah. I wasn't going to paste C into this, if you mean that.
20100508 19:20:39< Aethaeryn> Eam_: Use pastebin
20100508 19:20:48< Aethaeryn> see the topic
20100508 19:21:25< Gambit> according to my CSS book and the entire internets :hover is supposed to work on all elements in IE7+
20100508 19:21:28< Aethaeryn> sevis: What I'm trying to say is that for a "dumb" IRC client if you paste in multiple lines they all flood the network at once, thus showing up at the same timestamp. More than 4 will kick you
20100508 19:21:37< Eam_> I don't know how.
20100508 19:21:39< Gambit> And it does on ancestral's website.
20100508 19:21:51< Aethaeryn> A "smart" IRC client will delay each line by two seconds, like what happened with Eam_
20100508 19:21:52< sevis> Aethaeryn: Yeah, I meant that you directed the request to not paste into here at me.
20100508 19:21:58< Aethaeryn> yeah, typo
20100508 19:22:06< sevis> Yeah, it's a pity clients can do that. Okay, sorry.
20100508 19:22:11< Aethaeryn> Notice how I said his name, just after yours :P
20100508 19:22:22< Aethaeryn> It's because I was originally going to write the second line first, but changed my mind
20100508 19:22:30< sevis> Okies.
20100508 19:22:38< Eam_> Maybe sevis can tell cph what my problem is without de facto spamming the way I did.
20100508 19:22:42< Aethaeryn> Eam_: (1) http://wesnoth.pastebin.com
20100508 19:22:52< sevis> Aaaand, I realise why my arrays were working strange. >.<
20100508 19:22:57< Aethaeryn> (2) paste in that giant textbox
20100508 19:23:01< Aethaeryn> (3) submit
20100508 19:23:09< Eam_> I can not get the links in the chat window.
20100508 19:23:17< sevis> Eam_: Sure, I'll get right on that.
20100508 19:23:27< Eam_> The problem is really simple tho.
20100508 19:24:00< Aethaeryn> but 11 lines in a row (with someone's comment in the middle, too) is kinda against chan policy
20100508 19:24:20< Eam_> It is conflict between distro's libstdc++ and gcc's compilation's libstdc++.
20100508 19:24:23< sevis> cph: Eam_ here seems to want to install Wesnoth. However, he refuses to tell us anything about his machine except that his libstdc++ is broken and his GCC is installed in a different prefix. Do you see the problem? :P
20100508 19:24:26< Aethaeryn> especially when you could just paste 1 thing (a link to pastebin) and then ask your question, because then we could see your question among the spam :P
20100508 19:25:50< Eam_> cph I got both boost and wesnoth compiled all the way to wesnoth's make install, but
20100508 19:27:05< cph> maybe you have some things compiled against the system libstdc++ and some compiled against the newer gcc's libstdc++, and they can't interact because the objects passed between them need to be in the same "format"
20100508 19:27:59< Eam_> Wesnoth could not find the newers .so for the compiled gcc's libstdc++; it actually seemed to suggect that boost had use the older one and said there were compatabilty problems between the two.
20100508 19:28:33< Eam_> So I don't know where I messed up?
20100508 19:29:36< Eam_> both boost and wesnoth found everything else they need to compile, so what went wrong with libstdc++?
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20100508 19:31:05< cph> well, I can believe that there could be a problem if they are linked against different versions of libstdc++
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20100508 19:31:08< Gambit> M$'s very own website says IE7+ is :hover capable
20100508 19:31:10< Gambit> wth.
20100508 19:32:02< Eam_> cph That makes sense, but it seems like boost found everything from the newer gcc and then just chose the older libstdc++ anyway unless it was wesnoth that did that.
20100508 19:33:24< Eam_> bjam -sGCC_ROOT_DIRECTORY=/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4 -sGCC_BIN_DIRECTORY=/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/bin -sGCC_STDLIB_DIRECTORY=/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/lib --toolset=gcc-4.3.4 --build-type=complete install
20100508 19:34:14< Eam_> After that over 7 hours to build the boost libraries.
20100508 19:34:31< cph> so, libboost_iostreams was built okay, and using gcc-4.3.4?
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20100508 19:35:15< Eam_> ./autogen.sh CC=/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/bin/gcc CXX=/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/bin/c++
20100508 19:35:55< Eam_> ./configure --disable-strict-compilation --prefix=/usr/local/wes181 --with-preferences-dir=.wes181 --enable-editor CC=/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/bin/gcc CXX=/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/bin/c++
20100508 19:36:19< Eam_> was how I did wesnoth-1.8.1
20100508 19:36:47< Aethaeryn> Gambit: maybe you're just doing it wrong
20100508 19:36:53< Aethaeryn> Gambit: or maybe you have IE in the wrong mode
20100508 19:36:56< cph> if you ldd /usr/local/lib/libboost_iostreams.so , what libstdc++ does it show?
20100508 19:36:56< Eam_> and the same with 18 instead of 181 for wesnoth-1.8
20100508 19:37:06< Gambit> I copy pasted their example code to a brand new page
20100508 19:37:07< Gambit> it worked
20100508 19:37:12< Gambit> I copy pasted it to the page I'm working on
20100508 19:37:14< Gambit> no dice
20100508 19:37:25< Gambit> so now I'm really confused.
20100508 19:38:42< Aethaeryn> HP sucks at entertainment. Weak speakers + loud fan = you can't hear flash videos over the fan :P
20100508 19:39:57< Gambit> interesting.
20100508 19:40:14< Gambit> Why would the file extension have anything to do with it?
20100508 19:40:16< Gambit> Anybody?
20100508 19:40:26< Gambit> Their example code works in a .html page, but not a .cfm one
20100508 19:40:36< Eam_> no such file or directory
20100508 19:40:44< Aethaeryn> because Windows is stupid and has to do things based on file extension :P
20100508 19:40:58< sevis> What's .cfm?
20100508 19:41:02< Gambit> coldfusion
20100508 19:41:10< sevis> Ah.
20100508 19:41:16< Aethaeryn> coldfusion?
20100508 19:41:23< Aethaeryn> I'm unfamiliar
20100508 19:41:43< Gambit> o_O
20100508 19:41:46< Gambit> I saved my page as .htm
20100508 19:41:49< Gambit> works perfectly
20100508 19:41:52< Gambit> what the hell internet explorer?!
20100508 19:41:58< Aethaeryn> 13:41:13 < Aethaeryn> because Windows is stupid and has to do things based on file extension :P
20100508 19:42:10< Aethaeryn> Rename a .zip file to end in .jpg and see what happens.
20100508 19:42:23< Eam_> cph wait I had keyed it in wrong
20100508 19:43:56< sevis> There we go! :D My code works! :D
20100508 19:44:41< cph> ldd /usr/local/wes181/lib/libboost_iostreams.so I guess
20100508 19:44:47 * sevis can now generate 50*6^6 lines of example code :D
20100508 19:45:00< Eam_> in /usr/local/lib ls shows things like libboost_iostreams-gcc43.so
20100508 19:45:19< Gambit> sadly including the .htm file in a .cfm file breaks it again.
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20100508 19:45:42< sevis> Gambit, are you still going to claim MS did it right? :P
20100508 19:46:09< Gambit> sevis: Nah. It's clearly firefox's fault somehow.
20100508 19:46:11< Gambit> :P
20100508 19:46:30< Gambit> Actually it might be adobe's.
20100508 19:46:52< Eam_> or libboost_iostreams-gcc43-mt-1_39.so
20100508 19:47:13< Gambit> Scratch that.
20100508 19:47:31< Gambit> The CFM server is sending the CSS correctly.
20100508 19:47:35< Gambit> It's IE's fault :@
20100508 19:48:21< Aethaeryn> Gambit: As I've said before, if you really want IE to get better, don't use it.
20100508 19:48:39< Aethaeryn> The more Microsoft IE's freefall of users speeds up, the more Microsoft will improve IE
20100508 19:48:47< Eam_> error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20100508 19:48:49< Aethaeryn> if Firefox never took off, there wouldn't have been an IE7 :P
20100508 19:49:22< Gambit> Now this is a very obscure problem.
20100508 19:49:28< Eam_> is the message I get when I try to execute ./wesnoth
20100508 19:49:32< Gambit> :hover doesn't work in IE on .cfm pages.
20100508 19:49:36< Gambit> How in the hell do I google this?
20100508 19:49:53 * Gambit looks for coldfusion IRC channels
20100508 19:49:56< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100508 19:49:59< Aethaeryn> I was about to suggest that
20100508 19:50:06< Aethaeryn> I still don't know what the hell coldfusion is
20100508 19:50:07< Aethaeryn> but yeah
20100508 19:50:09< Gambit> thank you everyone for letting me yell at you :D
20100508 19:50:12< Gambit> Aethaeryn: It's like PHP
20100508 19:50:14< Gambit> only... better
20100508 19:50:20< Aethaeryn> why not just use php?
20100508 19:50:31< Aethaeryn> widely used = probably works better by your own logic :P
20100508 19:50:49< cph> Eam_: hmm, well where is you libstdc++.so.6 then - I guess you have gcc v4 installed at an unusual path?
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20100508 19:52:07< Eam_> gcc-4.3.4's libstdc++.so.6 is in /usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/lib and the distro's is in /usr/lib
20100508 19:52:48< cph> how about trying LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/lib ./wesnoth
20100508 19:53:41< Eam_> cph Wait I write that down! :)
20100508 19:57:39< Eam_> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20100508 19:58:31< Eam_> cph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are GREAT and GOOD! A benivolent genius!!!! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!! :)
20100508 19:58:47< cph> glad to hear it worked :)
20100508 19:58:51< Gambit> 1!11!1one!!!1!eleven!!
20100508 19:59:05< cph> for a moment there, with all those explanations, I thought I had blown up your computer or something :P
20100508 19:59:16< cph> *exclamations
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20100508 20:00:26< cph> Eam_: a more permanent solution would be to add that path to /etc/ld.so.conf - but be careful with that, as it may affect other programs on the computer.
20100508 20:00:31< Gambit> Aethaeryn: php is lame.
20100508 20:00:32< Eam_> benevolent
20100508 20:00:46< Gambit> Everyone uses it because it's free.
20100508 20:01:05< Gambit> It's like xbox vs playstation. They go with the inferior product to save a few hundred dollars.
20100508 20:01:15< Eam_> but I cheered too soon. There are dozen error in my console.
20100508 20:01:21< sevis> Which is that, the xbox or the playstation?
20100508 20:01:47< Aethaeryn> sevis: wii :P
20100508 20:01:47< Gambit> sevis: The one that melts because you had the balls to try and use it.
20100508 20:01:52< Gambit> Yeah that :P
20100508 20:02:06< sevis> Yeah, my friend has been telling me great stuff about the wii.
20100508 20:02:22< sevis> I've still not gotten around to installing Linux on mine. :\
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20100508 20:16:16< Eam_> My upgrade may not have been good enough because wesnoth bombed out and went back down to the command line with a lot of error, but I wondering if I put that in the envoronment when I compiled if Wesnoth might not compile better?
20100508 20:17:23< Eam_> cph Do you think that might make a difference?
20100508 20:18:25< cph> no, I think LD_LIBRARY_PATH is only used at execution time.
20100508 20:19:05< Eam_> I almost had wesnoth up and running but I guess my upgrades were not good enough.
20100508 20:19:37< cph> try doing an LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/lib ldd ./wesnoth
20100508 20:19:53< Eam_> cph I really appreciate what you taught me tho! :)
20100508 20:19:56< cph> see if it is linking more than one copy/version of libstdc++.so
20100508 20:20:32< cph> mind you, if that was the problem then I guess it would segfault or similar
20100508 20:26:35< Eam_> libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x40591000)4/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x40591000)
20100508 20:27:40< Eam_> libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/local/gccv/gccv-4.3.4/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x40591000)
20100508 20:28:45< Eam_> Where that :) is there was really a =>
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20100508 20:29:14< Eam_> a = folowed by >
20100508 20:29:34< cph> that's alright, it showed right in my irc client :)
20100508 20:30:00< gamefreak264> Aeth: Could I get a download to that map you were talking about earlier? Also, do both parties need to have it installed to use it?
20100508 20:30:52< gamefreak264> *Aethaeryn
20100508 20:30:55< Eam_> That is only line it had on lisbstdc++
20100508 20:31:07< cph> yes, which seems okay
20100508 20:31:53< cph> Eam_: so I guess you are right, some other problem with your compile.
20100508 20:33:03< Eam_> Yes. I guess all my upreading was not good enouh. cph You almost put me over the top tho.
20100508 20:35:33< Eam_> cph I really respect you some of the others like loonycyborg and sevis for what you did for me tho! Maybe we will meet at the game server yet! Bye!
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20100508 20:48:00< PetePorty> DEUS EX!
20100508 20:48:03< PetePorty> hello btw
20100508 20:48:46< Unnheulu> zookeeper: your the tsg maintainer?
20100508 20:48:50< Unnheulu> I <3 that campaign
20100508 20:48:52< Unnheulu> Hiah PetePorty
20100508 20:49:11< PetePorty> :)
20100508 20:50:19< PetePorty> I'm downloading Deus ex... and I'm pretty sure it's gonna be AWESOME
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20100508 20:56:26< zookeeper> Unnheulu, yeah
20100508 20:57:36< zookeeper> i don't think it's a brilliant campaign, but it's pretty nice. there's still quite a few things to fix though.
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20100508 20:58:49< Unnheulu> I won it on my ipod, if it gives you an idea of how much I like it...
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20100508 21:01:45< elias> i wonder why Wesnoth is so popular on the i* devices :)
20100508 21:02:39< Ivanovic> elias: because all other games probably suck on them!
20100508 21:02:40< Ivanovic> ;)
20100508 21:02:45< zookeeper> cool, when i type "battle for" in google, it gives wesnoth as the second suggestion
20100508 21:02:51< elias> Ivanovic: heh
20100508 21:02:57< elias> #12 top-selling IPad game
20100508 21:03:00< Unnheulu> I mentioned that, cause its so much more inconvinient to play on the ipod
20100508 21:03:03< Unnheulu> Is it?
20100508 21:03:07< sevis> It's the first for me.
20100508 21:03:10< elias> how much of the sales goes to Wesnoth from that?
20100508 21:03:25< Ivanovic> elias: one important point is that it is large and cheap
20100508 21:03:40< Ivanovic> 1$ is a really great price for a game on the i* devices
20100508 21:04:02< thespaceinvader> Ivanovic: it's first for me
20100508 21:04:04< Unnheulu> £0.59 seems to be how much most cost last I checked on the iPod
20100508 21:04:23< Unnheulu> (Which is 1$)
20100508 21:04:41< gamefreak264> I think he means that it's a good price for a quality game
20100508 21:04:50< gamefreak264> not a "pull your finger" game
20100508 21:04:52< Unnheulu> Ah, kay
20100508 21:05:07< gamefreak264> or whatever the hell people are buying
20100508 21:05:09< thespaceinvader> and we're 22nd result for just 'battle'!
20100508 21:05:18< gamefreak264> or actually- not buying
20100508 21:05:40< Unnheulu> I bought wesnoth when it was £2.99
20100508 21:05:47< Unnheulu> Not gonna try and guess that in dollars ;)
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20100508 21:10:28< PetePorty> we're the FIRST if you search "Battle for Wesnoth" on google! yay us!
20100508 21:10:42< Unnheulu> ...
20100508 21:10:51< PetePorty> what?
20100508 21:11:17< PetePorty> it's true!
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20100508 21:11:49< PetePorty> I'm trying to make an elvish lady/ li'sar
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20100508 21:12:42< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader: btw, the khalifa look *awesome*
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20100508 21:12:53< Unnheulu> I wonder if its still looking likely for mainline
20100508 21:12:57< PetePorty> they do
20100508 21:13:18< PetePorty> but... they ain't on the add-on server yet, are they?
20100508 21:13:48< Unnheulu> And?
20100508 21:13:56< PetePorty> just asking
20100508 21:14:13< PetePorty> didn't you see the question mark?
20100508 21:14:30< thespaceinvader> Unnheulu: thank you
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20100508 21:15:37< Unnheulu> noy: Is the Khalifa still looking likely for mainline?
20100508 21:17:12< thespaceinvader> Unnheulu: we're still aiming for that, yes
20100508 21:17:26< Unnheulu> Gl
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20100508 22:01:22< PetePorty> look! shadowm_laptop is here!
20100508 22:01:32< shadowmaster> since 35 minutes ago, yes
20100508 22:02:06< PetePorty> -.-
20100508 22:02:16< PetePorty> ·.·
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20100508 22:02:51< PetePorty> is there a way to make this thing auto join #wesnoth?
20100508 22:03:42< shadowmaster> what client is it?
20100508 22:03:57< PetePorty> uhhh
20100508 22:04:01< PetePorty> client means...
20100508 22:04:10< shadowmaster> okay, xchat
20100508 22:04:19< PetePorty> that
20100508 22:04:22< PetePorty> y chat
20100508 22:04:28< PetePorty> oor xchat 2 actually
20100508 22:04:35< PetePorty> :)
20100508 22:04:50< shadowmaster> go to the Xchat menu, network list
20100508 22:05:02< PetePorty> ok
20100508 22:05:02< shadowmaster> edit Freenode, then edit your list of favorite channels
20100508 22:05:47< PetePorty> and it'll auto join from now on?
20100508 22:06:00< shadowmaster> if you did it right, yes
20100508 22:06:02< PetePorty> thx shad!
20100508 22:06:11< shadowmaster> quit shortening my nickname
20100508 22:06:27< PetePorty> ok...
20100508 22:07:12< PetePorty> but... now to use that tab, tab, tabby thingy I have to write shadowma to get ur username...
20100508 22:07:25< PetePorty> cuz sh gets me shadowm_laptop
20100508 22:07:33< shadowmaster> and if you press tab again?
20100508 22:07:40< PetePorty> shadowmaster,
20100508 22:07:43< PetePorty> ohhhhh.....
20100508 22:07:48< PetePorty> u r a genius man!
20100508 22:07:53< shadowmaster> no, I'm not.
20100508 22:07:58< PetePorty> yes u r
20100508 22:08:32< PetePorty> O.o my deus ex finished downloading!
20100508 22:08:36< PetePorty> yay!
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20100508 22:19:55< PetePorty> hey noy, why do you keep leaving and rejoining?
20100508 22:20:13< noy> shitty internet
20100508 22:20:17< PetePorty> oh
20100508 22:20:19< PetePorty> ok
20100508 22:20:36< PetePorty> but it says connection reset by peer
20100508 22:20:37< un214> sounds like he's missing the net part of internet
20100508 22:21:14< shadowmaster> PetePorty: yes
20100508 22:21:19< un214> connection reset by peer on an open connection can mean the "peer" was just switched out from under you, or worse
20100508 22:21:32< shadowmaster> that means that his ISP or a router between his computer and freenode's server reset the connection
20100508 22:21:36< shadowmaster> as in shut it down
20100508 22:21:42< PetePorty> oh..
20100508 22:21:44< PetePorty> ok
20100508 22:21:58< PetePorty> see? u r a genius shadowmaster ...
20100508 22:22:04< shadowmaster> no
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20100508 22:22:32< PetePorty> shadowmaster: yes you are
20100508 22:22:40< shadowmaster> I don't know anything that you couldn't learn given enough interest and an internet connection
20100508 22:22:44< un214> peteporty: he can read the textbooks
20100508 22:22:58< PetePorty> yeah, but he us a genius...
20100508 22:23:03< PetePorty> .is*
20100508 22:23:05< un214> genious is the one who can successfully pull off phychic debugging most of the time
20100508 22:23:47< PetePorty> uhhh...
20100508 22:23:56< PetePorty> if i understood that id say something...
20100508 22:24:46< PetePorty> ok, sorry guys, deus ex time... c ya, bye
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20100508 22:25:31< un214> uhhh time does not make God
20100508 22:25:43< shadowmaster> they didn't care.
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20100508 22:33:02< PetePorty> great, I can't play with a broken mouse...
20100508 22:33:32< shadowmaster> yeah, Wesnoth still requires a mouse to play
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20100508 22:52:05< PetePorty> no, I'm talking aboput deus ex
20100508 22:52:46< PetePorty> about*
20100508 22:53:04< shadowmaster> this is the Wesnoth user channel.
20100508 22:53:32< PetePorty> so?
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20100508 22:54:06< PetePorty> OMG! the return of kuchen!
20100508 22:55:08< PetePorty> and you CAN play wesnoth without a mouse, i just did....
20100508 22:57:03< PetePorty> k, bye, ill go watch house and then probably try to get a mouse
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