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20100511 00:07:18< Suvorov> delfador's memoirs
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20100511 01:08:55< Gambit> Apparently the off topic forums are bad for me...
20100511 01:10:57< PetePorty> why?
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20100511 01:50:30< PetePorty> O.o West sounds upset
20100511 01:50:46< PetePorty> hey guys, how can I check the chat log of the irc?
20100511 01:50:52< PetePorty> if there is a way...
20100511 01:54:38< DDR> There are logs somewhere.
20100511 01:55:09< DDR> In fact, you can probably see the link right now.
20100511 01:55:46< PetePorty> uhh....
20100511 01:56:07< DDR> Look in the topic.
20100511 01:56:49< PetePorty> oh... thx
20100511 01:56:51< PetePorty> ;)
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20100511 02:07:52< DDR> No problem. Sometimes something just doesn't jump out at you. :)
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20100511 02:46:44-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Wesnoth User Channel | wesnoth.org | http://addons.wesnoth.org | latest stable version: 1.8.1 | public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
20100511 02:46:44-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Sun May  2 15:38:50 2010]
20100511 02:46:44[Users #wesnoth]
20100511 02:46:44[ [NaL]          ] [ fendrin   ] [ Lancaster  ] [ SgtFlame|Zen  ] 
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20100511 02:46:45-!- Home page for #wesnoth: http://www.wesnoth.org
20100511 02:46:51-!- Channel #wesnoth created Sun Nov 26 07:42:43 2006
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20100511 04:14:28< Gambit> Is unsolicitated announymous mail legal?
20100511 04:16:18< ancestral> Gambit: Debatably
20100511 04:16:32< ancestral> But if it's anonymous good luck trying to sue them
20100511 04:16:46< Gambit> I was considering writing all those "No wind turbine" peope letters.
20100511 04:17:18< Gambit> And perhaps cheesily thanking the one person with two huge ass-solar panels.
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20100511 04:49:18< KaOSoFt> Hello.
20100511 04:50:57< KaOSoFt> I knew about this game until this weekend, and while it looks like a really entertainment video game, I'd like to know if I could suggest changing the typeface (font) of the dialogues (tips, dialogue, etc.).
20100511 04:51:15< KaOSoFt> I'm using Wesnoth 1.8.1, and I'm on Windows 7 Ultimate x86.
20100511 04:52:18< KaOSoFt> I tried reinstalling it, because the font really looked akward, and I thought it was a bug or something. It was readable, but sure could improve.
20100511 04:52:28< KaOSoFt> Is there a way to change it manually?
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20100511 04:55:54< KaOSoFt> Hey there.
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20100511 13:58:48< Ivanovic> hi
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20100511 14:25:48< apoi> account list
20100511 14:26:47< shadowmaster> apoi: um?
20100511 14:27:31< apoi> shadowmaster: Tschuldigung, das hat dem Bitlbee gegolten (einem IRC-nach-Chat-Gateway).
20100511 14:28:08< apoi> shadowmaster: Sorry, this was meant for Bitlbee.
20100511 14:28:21< shadowmaster> okay.
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20100511 16:29:31< Edwarfin> The activity level of this channel never ceases to amaze me.
20100511 16:30:00< sevis> You've only been here for fifteen minutes...
20100511 16:30:35< Jarkko_> Why talk when there's nothing to talk about? ;)
20100511 16:31:08< Edwarfin> True, but I've been here before and it's usually about the same.
20100511 16:31:30< Edwarfin> It is true that there isn't any apparent topic for discussion, though.
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20100511 16:31:34< shadowmaster> you've not been when Gambit is around then
20100511 16:31:44< shadowmaster> he drives me mad with his noise.
20100511 16:32:14< shadowmaster> oh, and PeterPorty and Hulavuta. And Aethaeryn. And Unnheulu. And...
20100511 16:32:19< shadowmaster> yes, you've not been around enough.
20100511 16:33:51< Jarkko_> Or more correctly not around at the right momnet.
20100511 16:36:23< Edwarfin> Well, I've been working on stats for a hypothetical Dwarf-elf hybrid faction.
20100511 16:37:00< Edwarfin> I thought it might be interesting to try to merge the two factions' overall style into a distinct unit.
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20100511 16:40:26< wooj> OH MY GOD I'M BEING DEVOURED BY MUTANT SQUIRRELS
20100511 16:40:46< shadowmaster> we don't need to know. I think.
20100511 16:41:25< shadowmaster> not much we can do anyway. did they swallow you alive with a laptop too, though? :P
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20100511 16:48:51< wooj> I managed to crawl out the other end
20100511 16:48:57< wooj> but now my netbook is covered in goo.
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20100511 19:16:54 * Unnheulu is using KUbuntu
20100511 19:17:09< shadowmaster> we'll miss you
20100511 19:17:13 * Unnheulu goes to replace Quassel with something somewhat nicer, for instance xchat
20100511 19:17:42< Unnheulu> Erm, what's the package manager called? >.>
20100511 19:17:50< Unnheulu> Meh, I'll use apt-get
20100511 19:17:50< shadowmaster> apt
20100511 19:18:04< shadowmaster> aptitude is a curses frontend
20100511 19:18:12< shadowmaster> there's also synaptic, a Gtk2 frontend
20100511 19:18:33< shadowmaster> and finally, apt-get is the less memory-hungry CLI frontend
20100511 19:19:05< Unnheulu> Let's see how amazingly fast Konqueror is^^
20100511 19:19:16< shadowmaster> it's not, don't even try.
20100511 19:19:26< shadowmaster> if you do, then you are a fool like Spell.
20100511 19:20:22< shadowmaster> I'm starting to wonder if you are ignoring me, too. I'd not be surprised if you did, but I can't guarantee timely support on IRC or on the forums if you do.
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20100511 19:20:37< shadowmaster> dunno, just a feeling,
20100511 19:20:50< Unnheulu> Heh
20100511 19:20:51< Gregorius> been cut off the rest of the world for a while, had cable cappers
20100511 19:21:13< shadowmaster> Gregorius: welcome back to the Internet, then
20100511 19:21:17< shadowmaster> here there be dragons
20100511 19:21:24< Gregorius> thanks
20100511 19:21:47< Gregorius> dragons? where?
20100511 19:21:55< Unnheulu> Konqueror is definetly not as fast, but, I don't see peoples CSS complaints and stuff
20100511 19:22:36< Gregorius> Konquereor isn't that good, takes loads of time, Firefox is bout three times faster
20100511 19:23:03< shadowmaster> http://xkcd.com/256/
20100511 19:23:21< shadowmaster> Firefox is about -2 times faster
20100511 19:23:53< Gregorius> east of WOW and a smaller I can't read what
20100511 19:23:57< shadowmaster> yes, it has also got stuck forever. I haven't checked what would happen after time_t wrapped around, though
20100511 19:24:12< shadowmaster> Gregorius: you can click for a larger version :)
20100511 19:24:54< sevis> -2 times faster -- are we looking at $(($time_loaded-$time_requested)) here?
20100511 19:25:06< Gregorius> still to small, looks like FPXI but that doesn't tell me a thing...
20100511 19:25:13< shadowmaster> sevis: it's just a theory.
20100511 19:25:29< shadowmaster> as I said, I didn't wait that long for time_t to wrap around, I just killed it
20100511 19:26:00< sevis> Ah, hm. time_t wrapping around would be possible, yes...
20100511 19:26:12< sevis> Yes, I suppose that would make it slower.
20100511 19:26:40< Unnheulu> That map is not credible
20100511 19:26:46< Unnheulu> It shows not Wesnoth
20100511 19:26:54< shadowmaster> because Wesnoth was still small back then.
20100511 19:27:02< Gregorius> yes
20100511 19:27:06< shadowmaster> who knows, maybe Randall is in this room watching us.
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20100511 19:27:14< shadowmaster> no, he isn't but I've seen him in the irssi channel.
20100511 19:27:20< Gregorius> wesnoth needs to be added and second live is smaller. much smaller
20100511 19:27:31< shadowmaster> or at least, someone from xkcd.com using his name
20100511 19:27:45< shadowmaster> and since vanity vhosts don't exist in freenode...
20100511 19:28:05 * Unnheulu goes and reboots into a nice and comfortable XFCE
20100511 19:28:38< Unnheulu> KDE seems just like Windows to me, minus the flag
20100511 19:28:51< Unnheulu> (of course, exaggeration on my behalf plays a role, but..:P)
20100511 19:28:57< shadowmaster> shut up then
20100511 19:29:15< sevis> KDE is Windows done rather better than the actual Windows, imho.
20100511 19:29:19< Gregorius> shadow, during IftU there is a scenario only accessable with recognized ones, I wasn't able to read the files out when I last played it, what does it exactly mean?
20100511 19:29:42< shadowmaster> argh, IftU! what's that? please don't tell me you mean Invasion from the Unknown by shadowmaster!
20100511 19:29:44< Unnheulu> Does windows use KDE?
20100511 19:29:55 * Gregorius doesn't like KDE, open SUSE is much better
20100511 19:30:08< Gregorius> yes
20100511 19:30:10< shadowmaster> Gregorius: I don't remember such an scenario.
20100511 19:30:28< Gregorius> the one when you free the elf lord from prison
20100511 19:30:28< shadowmaster> more specific hints so I can find the place you are referring to?
20100511 19:30:36< Unnheulu> Wait...
20100511 19:30:38< shadowmaster> um.
20100511 19:30:39< Gregorius> underground
20100511 19:30:43< shadowmaster> elynia, galas, mal keshar
20100511 19:30:45< Unnheulu> Doesn't openSUSE use KDE by feault...
20100511 19:30:46< shadowmaster> the usual
20100511 19:31:07< Gregorius> open SUSE and KDE a two pairs of shoes
20100511 19:31:20< Unnheulu> *default
20100511 19:31:25< sevis> Gregorius: OpenSuSE is a distro, KDE is a desktop environment -- they don't exclude or imply each other.
20100511 19:31:40< Gregorius> I mean the one with beginning talk ending with this isn't grandmas house, just smash the gates
20100511 19:31:41< shadowmaster> oepnSUSE. There's no such a thing like OpenSuSE
20100511 19:31:54< Gregorius> I know
20100511 19:31:56< shadowmaster> Gregorius: yes, and my answer is above.
20100511 19:32:01< shadowmaster> re the scenario
20100511 19:32:07< sevis> Strange, that's how I always see it spelled.
20100511 19:32:08< Gregorius> ah, how to get them over the chasm?
20100511 19:32:13< Unnheulu> I will be back soon in a nice XFCE
20100511 19:32:23< shadowmaster> Gregorius: oh, you mean that glyph thing?
20100511 19:32:27< Unnheulu> With a nice menu
20100511 19:32:29< Gregorius> yes
20100511 19:32:33< shadowmaster> Gregorius: ignore it :P
20100511 19:32:34< Unnheulu> This one just takes the...
20100511 19:32:38< shadowmaster> just take the normal exit
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20100511 19:33:03< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: sorry, you are getting on my nerves while I'm trying to talk about IftU :P
20100511 19:33:13< Gregorius> so this is just to make peapole run mad cause they can't go there? ^^
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20100511 19:33:29< shadowmaster> what version are you playing?
20100511 19:33:44< Gregorius> been a while last played on 1.4
20100511 19:33:52< Gregorius> or was it 1.6?
20100511 19:33:56< shadowmaster> ah...that alternate exist existed back then.
20100511 19:34:11< shadowmaster> yeah, it leads to a horribly designed scenario that's most likely impossible to complet
20100511 19:34:12< Gregorius> i threw half the game off cause my comp only has 512 MB RAM
20100511 19:34:36< Gregorius> so by now it no longer exists?
20100511 19:34:43< shadowmaster> so you should use the regular exit instead. That glyph was supposed to be activated by elynia if you could get her to fly over the chasm morphed into a shaxthal drone
20100511 19:34:48< shadowmaster> (what a stupid idea!)
20100511 19:34:55< shadowmaster> so yeah, I removed it some versions later.
20100511 19:35:09< Gregorius> morph her? didn't know this was possible...
20100511 19:35:33< Gregorius> I only know one steelhive unit able to do that stuff
20100511 19:35:41< shadowmaster> yes, it is if you could give her a spell from a glyph in an earlier scenario "under the sands" (after the wesmere scenario)
20100511 19:35:57< Gregorius> ah
20100511 19:36:15< Gregorius> must have walked past it, didn't see a glyph before that scenario
20100511 19:36:54< shadowmaster> it's very easy to miss since you must move a unit (presumably a ghost or a bat) over another chasm to open a passage that leads to that special glyph earlier)
20100511 19:37:14< shadowmaster> it was a secret room
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20100511 19:37:21< Unnheulu> How annoying
20100511 19:37:28< Unnheulu> Xchat isn't able to connect to freenode
20100511 19:38:25< Unnheulu> At least I have a nice menu to play with now
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20100511 19:38:57< Gregorius> very confusing, no wonder I didn't find it, I usually play through with debug after playing it for the first time to check what i MISSED, AT LEAST EARLIER, NOW i READ OUT THE CFG DATA
20100511 19:39:04< Gregorius> oh, sry
20100511 19:41:06< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: uh-huh.
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20100511 19:45:45< Unnheulu> As I was saying, now I have a nice panel to play with :)
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20100511 19:45:53< shadowmaster> oh, no, not that again!
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20100511 19:55:45< Unnheulu> shadowmaster: planning on porting IftU to 1.9?
20100511 19:55:52< shadowmaster> no.
20100511 19:56:01< Unnheulu> So I must play it on my iPod then :(
20100511 19:56:39< Unnheulu> Bah
20100511 19:56:47< Unnheulu> Fullscreen doesn't work on wesnoth
20100511 19:56:53< shadowmaster> ctrl+f
20100511 19:57:04< Unnheulu> On a dualscreening system
20100511 19:57:23< Unnheulu> So I suppose its an OpenGL/SDL/whatever wesnoth uses issue
20100511 19:57:42< shadowmaster> SDL
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20100511 19:57:57< Unnheulu> That makes sense, it doesn't work on XMoto either
20100511 19:57:59< shadowmaster> it can also be a problem in a X11 protocol for all we care.
20100511 19:58:01< Unnheulu> Which is also SDL
20100511 19:58:08< Unnheulu> It works in GTK
20100511 19:58:14< shadowmaster> Xmoto uses OpenGL via SDL
20100511 19:58:23< Unnheulu> Hmm, Xmoto uses OpenGL?
20100511 19:58:27< shadowmaster> so SDL is also the one in charge of dealing with the crap that X11 is
20100511 19:58:43< Unnheulu> I neer saw OpenGL stuff when I was patching it
20100511 19:58:46< Unnheulu> *never
20100511 19:59:01< shadowmaster> it's probably abstracted
20100511 19:59:24< Unnheulu> Your too smart :/
20100511 19:59:40< shadowmaster> Depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglu1-mesa | libglu1, libjpeg62, liblua5.1-0, libode1, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libsdl-mixer1.2 (>= 1.2.6), libsdl-net1.2, libsdl-ttf2.0-0, libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.6.18), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0), xmoto-data (= 0.5.2-2)
20100511 20:01:12< Unnheulu> I love the new water
20100511 20:01:23< Unnheulu> Shame the transitions don't seem to be done
20100511 20:01:53< shadowmaster> they probably will before an actual development version is out
20100511 20:02:06< Unnheulu> Hopefully
20100511 20:04:52 * Unnheulu wonders if Wesnoth's music is in itunes or somewhere
20100511 20:04:58< Unnheulu> It should be
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20100511 20:07:50< Samwise> ^
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20100511 20:08:43< Unnheulu> Haha lost on turn 3 on DW
20100511 20:09:31< Unnheulu> Does that mean I officially suck?
20100511 20:11:03< shadowmaster> let me think...you come here asking that for every campaign
20100511 20:11:28< shadowmaster> um, so yeah, it pretty much means you suck. Horribly. You've got to be kidding if you suck that much.
20100511 20:11:48< shadowmaster> either that or a complete crybaby that doesn't try hard enough.
20100511 20:11:58< Unnheulu> Possibly both :)
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20100511 20:12:31< mklappstuhl> hey 
20100511 20:12:37< Unnheulu> Heya
20100511 20:12:44< Unnheulu> Ok, I'm turn 4 now...
20100511 20:13:07< shadowmaster> don't tell us, you'll be at it forever
20100511 20:13:15< Unnheulu> =)
20100511 20:13:21< shadowmaster> concentrate on your game and stop talking here instead
20100511 20:13:36< mklappstuhl> one of my units killed the boss at the end of the scenario and got enough experience to lvl up...
20100511 20:13:50< shadowmaster> (you can also poke me if you need help with the "stop talking here" part)
20100511 20:13:53< Unnheulu> I'm just talking when its not my turn
20100511 20:13:59 * Unnheulu pokes shadowmaster 
20100511 20:14:00< mklappstuhl> however it got the experience and full life again but lvl remained 3
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20100511 20:14:14< shadowmaster> mklappstuhl: what unit, what scenario?
20100511 20:14:30< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: you shouldn't do that.
20100511 20:14:39< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: pay attention to the AI moves. Learn how the AI plays.
20100511 20:15:08< shadowmaster> that's the only way you'll beat an AI. Either that or become a MP champion, which is less likely to happen in the near future
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20100511 20:16:03< mklappstuhl> shadowmaster: human on a horse
20100511 20:16:16< shadowmaster> okay, you do realize there is no L4 Horseman?
20100511 20:16:28< shadowmaster> or Cavalryman, if that should be the case
20100511 20:16:29< mklappstuhl> yep 
20100511 20:16:58< shadowmaster> so of course if you have a L3 unit and it gains enough experience to level up, it'll increase his max HP by 3 and fully heal instead
20100511 20:17:18< mklappstuhl> right that should happen... 
20100511 20:17:20< shadowmaster> level 4 units are rare in mainline
20100511 20:18:09< mklappstuhl> what happened is: full health & EP reset
20100511 20:18:16< Ken_Oh> anyone know if gravity in pango markup actually works? it's not doing anything for me
20100511 20:18:39< shadowmaster> mklappstuhl: where EP means experience points?
20100511 20:19:03< mklappstuhl> it was immediatly at the end of a level .. is it possible that the lvl up was ignored somehow?
20100511 20:19:51< shadowmaster> well, it was L3 already and it acquired enough XP to "advance"?
20100511 20:20:16< shadowmaster> Ken_Oh: um, no idea. Please tell me if it does, I'm interested on how you can create gravity without mass. :) (not sure what you mean)
20100511 20:21:20< mklappstuhl> shadowmaster: actually yes
20100511 20:21:28< mklappstuhl> shadowmaster: here is the proof: http://skitch.marti.in//The_Battle_for_Wesnoth_-_1.8.1-20100511-202100.png
20100511 20:22:05 * shadowmaster blinks
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20100511 20:22:30< mklappstuhl> and now: http://skitch.marti.in//The_Battle_for_Wesnoth_-_1.8.1-1-20100511-202217.png
20100511 20:22:51< shadowmaster> okay, and that's normal if it's the unit I think it is
20100511 20:22:59< shadowmaster> as I said above.
20100511 20:23:00< mklappstuhl> i got this unit in lvl 3 or so 
20100511 20:23:58< shadowmaster> at least the sprite looks like a L3 Cavalier
20100511 20:24:03< mklappstuhl> the scenario is the one recommended for beginners
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20100511 20:24:22< shadowmaster> http://units.wesnoth.org/1.8/C/mainline.html
20100511 20:24:50< shadowmaster> you'll notice that Wesnoth is not a RPG and units have a maximum level
20100511 20:25:50< mklappstuhl> ahhh okay
20100511 20:25:56< mklappstuhl> thats good to know
20100511 20:26:36< mklappstuhl> didnt know that as a beginner seemed like a bug to me or so
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20100511 20:30:36< Ken_Oh> shadowmaster: in the pango markup http://wiki.wesnoth.org/InterfaceActionsWML#Formatting there is a 'gravity' key. when i tried it with 'east', it didn't do anything (though, i'm assuming it's supposed to justify the string to the right. if i'm mistaken, maybe that's my problem...)
20100511 20:31:46< shadowmaster> um, possibly, no idea
20100511 20:35:01< Ken_Oh> ok, i'll test it further and then see if it needs fixing or removing from the wiki
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20100511 21:09:30< Unnheulu> Hiah
20100511 21:09:44< Unnheulu> I thought the ai was meant to be bad?
20100511 21:09:45< shadowmaster> you telling me you've been watching the channel all this time instead of training?
20100511 21:10:00< Unnheulu> No ofc not
20100511 21:10:06< shadowmaster> no, the AI took a level in badass during 1.5.x
20100511 21:10:07< Unnheulu> Its just in fullscreen on my second monitor
20100511 21:10:11< shadowmaster> er, 1.7.x I mean
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20100511 21:10:37< Unnheulu> So whenever someone talks, its rather obvious
20100511 21:11:31< shadowmaster> and nobody talked.
20100511 21:12:03< shadowmaster> the ircd? no, it's been talking all this time. you just don't notice the PINGs and PONGs because your client lies to you
20100511 21:12:22< shadowmaster> similarly, I'm not really here.
20100511 21:14:59< Unnheulu> The options not working is really starting to annoy me :/
20100511 21:15:19< Unnheulu> Bah, I've lost for the 100th time
20100511 21:15:25< Unnheulu> I'm trying another campaign until I'm better
20100511 21:15:47< Unnheulu> hmm...DiD
20100511 21:16:32< Unnheulu> Hmm, we have a majority government again
20100511 21:16:44< Unnheulu> Seems the Liberal Democrats formed a coalition then
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20100511 21:22:04< Unnheulu> The new deep water looks a load better than the shallow
20100511 21:22:31< zookeeper> you got stuck in SoF?
20100511 21:22:34< zookeeper> or what campaign was that
20100511 21:23:11< Unnheulu> I won SoF
20100511 21:23:12< Unnheulu> DW
20100511 21:23:21< shadowmaster> wtf have Liberal Democrats to do with Dead Water?
20100511 21:23:25< Unnheulu> Nothing
20100511 21:23:30< Unnheulu> I quit that campaign :)
20100511 21:24:04< zookeeper> right, ok
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20100511 21:26:07< Unnheulu> SoF is probably my second or third favourite after tSG and Liberty
20100511 21:27:35< Unnheulu> Has someone made DiD harder (first scenario)?
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20100511 21:28:09< shadowmaster> DiD is a intermediate difficult campaign, note that.
20100511 21:28:37< shadowmaster> I think esr claimed it was an advanced one. meh.
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20100511 21:29:12< Unnheulu> I've reached the third before
20100511 21:29:26< Unnheulu> I've always managed to kill the orc on the first one. but, this time I needed the allies help
20100511 21:29:41< shadowmaster> the question is: do you ever play campaigns with the intention of finishing them?
20100511 21:29:56< Unnheulu> Always
20100511 21:30:02< Unnheulu> I just often don't win them
20100511 21:30:25< Unnheulu> I've won the first ones up to liberty, and sof
20100511 21:31:12< shadowmaster> and you seem to think that because you lost a scenario, you lost the campaign foreever
20100511 21:31:21< Unnheulu> I lost the scenario loads of times
20100511 21:31:42< Unnheulu> I lost several SoF and HttT scenarios, I just found them somewhat more fun
20100511 21:31:51< Unnheulu> Maybe its because it wasn't the first scenario I lost
20100511 21:32:57 * shikadibot plays a sad solo for violin in the background
20100511 21:33:40 * Unnheulu smirks
20100511 21:34:48< Unnheulu> *mental note to self* Don't recruit bats on scenario 2...they are useless
20100511 21:35:26< Blarumyrran> You have just bats & wcs in scenario 2, rite?
20100511 21:35:32< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100511 21:35:43< Unnheulu> And the bats always die :/
20100511 21:35:43< Blarumyrran> I think you needed bats for some villages
20100511 21:35:49< Unnheulu> Do you?
20100511 21:36:00< Unnheulu> I seem to remeber just wandering around capturing stuff with wcs
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20100511 22:05:41< Unnheulu> In the third scenario of DiD
20100511 22:05:50< Unnheulu> If you don't get a ghost does the rebellion not happen?
20100511 22:07:45< Unnheulu> I <3 drain
20100511 22:07:48< Blarumyrran> doesn't matter, you must get & level ghosts early on anyway since they'll rock through the whole campaign
20100511 22:08:00< Unnheulu> Plus they have drain
20100511 22:08:08< Blarumyrran> drain is meh
20100511 22:08:15< Unnheulu> Is meh? :o
20100511 22:08:22< Blarumyrran> backstab & nightstalk aren't
20100511 22:08:35< Blarumyrran> (together with the huge attack)
20100511 22:09:21< shadowmaster> Meh (adj.):
20100511 22:09:38< shadowmaster>   Substandard, uninteresting, low quality.
20100511 22:09:49 * Unnheulu smirks
20100511 22:09:55< Unnheulu> What dictionary was that in?
20100511 22:09:55< shadowmaster>   See also: Gnome.
20100511 22:10:06< Unnheulu> s/Gnome/KDE/
20100511 22:10:14< shadowmaster> no, the dictionary says Gnome
20100511 22:10:23< shadowmaster> it doesn't say GNOME
20100511 22:10:31< shadowmaster> it doesn't say KDE.
20100511 22:10:38< shadowmaster> it just says "Gnome"
20100511 22:10:40< Unnheulu> Its GNOME?
20100511 22:10:56< shadowmaster> No, it says "Gnome", not "GNOME" D:<
20100511 22:11:16< shadowmaster> Gnomes don't have GNOMEs either. I hope.
20100511 22:11:20< Unnheulu> As in, GNOME XFCE and KDE?
20100511 22:11:25< Crazytales> UNR fte
20100511 22:11:27< Crazytales> ftw*
20100511 22:11:41< Unnheulu> I made a program which's initials are ftw
20100511 22:11:42< shadowmaster> I have no idea what the proper spelling is for Xfce
20100511 22:12:01< shadowmaster> KDE should be known as the KDE Software Compilation or KDE SC from 4.x onwards, anyway
20100511 22:13:16< Crazytales> Unnheulu: What's the expansion of the initials?
20100511 22:13:18< shadowmaster> I make programs which don't have any initials, only codenames
20100511 22:13:42< Unnheulu> Crazytales: Dunno
20100511 22:13:53< shadowmaster> otherwise I'd quickly lose track of their expansions.
20100511 22:14:04< Crazytales> I don't make programs yet
20100511 22:14:13< Unnheulu> It's Xfce
20100511 22:14:33< Crazytales> Xfce is okay. I prefer Gnome and LXDE though.
20100511 22:14:50< Unnheulu> It used to be XForms Common Environment
20100511 22:15:02< Unnheulu> No longer uses XForms though
20100511 22:16:01< Crazytales> Yeah, now xfce officially doesn't stand for anything.
20100511 22:16:24< Unnheulu> And iit is *leet*
20100511 22:16:29< Blarumyrran> It sounds sort of like xkcd, it could abuse that
20100511 22:16:41< shadowmaster> you kids and your silly acronyms
20100511 22:17:10< VurtualRuler98> Except xfce could be pronounced.
20100511 22:17:48< Blarumyrran> ikseftseee vs ikskaatsedee
20100511 22:18:41< shadowmaster> iks-kay-se-dee?
20100511 22:18:55< Unnheulu> Is this a bug, if a ghost kills a unit then it recieves 0 health
20100511 22:19:10< Unnheulu> (Well I guess the unit had only 1 health left, but, I was told it hit 4)
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20100511 22:20:05< shadowmaster> it's probably the result of some rounding and the lack of a check for useless values
20100511 22:20:49< shadowmaster> of course you can't get much from a unit that has 1 HP - you'd get a number in (0,1) instead. But Wesnoth uses integers, so that's rounded to the nearest integer from the left, 0
20100511 22:21:01< Unnheulu> But, it told me the ghost hit a 4
20100511 22:21:01< Crazytales> Blarumyrran: te olete eesti?
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20100511 22:21:22< shadowmaster> and I'm assuming there's nothing in the code that checks that the floating labels don't appear for such sillinesses like 0-point damage
20100511 22:21:27< Blarumyrran> Crazytales, eestist or eestlane*
20100511 22:21:53< Unnheulu> Earning 0 through drain
20100511 22:21:53< Crazytales> Blarumyrran: I don't really know Estonian, I just use google translate and listen to Kerli Koiv.
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20100511 22:25:21< Unnheulu> Wraith or shadow...
20100511 22:25:21< Unnheulu> Wraith or shadow...
20100511 22:25:24< Unnheulu> Wraith
20100511 22:25:26< shadowmaster> shadow
20100511 22:25:37< Unnheulu> But that doesn't have drains
20100511 22:25:41< shadowmaster> no, wait, can I pick a third option?
20100511 22:25:46 * shadowmaster chooses Elvish Shyde
20100511 22:25:48< Unnheulu> Wraiths^^
20100511 22:25:58< Blarumyrran> Wraiths aren't as useful later on
20100511 22:26:12< Blarumyrran> You'll be killing many enemy leaders with shadows
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20100511 22:30:21< Blarumyrran> My my, Windows 7 sound recorder is cool
20100511 22:31:18< Blarumyrran> A window that is some 20 pixel high, no clutter. I wish the rest of the stuff was like that
20100511 22:33:05< Crazytales> Wait
20100511 22:33:11< Crazytales> Something in Windows is clutterless?
20100511 22:33:46< mklappstuhl> :D Mac/Linux FTW
20100511 22:33:52< Blarumyrran> Yes, I was surprised as well!
20100511 22:34:15< Crazytales> mklappstuhl: Yep, Ubuntu Netbook Remix is what I'm running on this little box
20100511 22:34:32< Blarumyrran> Well KDE at least is more horribly cluttered than even windows 7
20100511 22:34:45< Blarumyrran> I don't know about mac
20100511 22:35:01< mklappstuhl> okay maybe i should have written Mac/Linux -KDE
20100511 22:35:48< sevis> KDE is fine... If you're going to a use a full desktop, I see no point in stopping at GNOME or Xfce.
20100511 22:35:49< Crazytales> Also, I'm running an it-wesnoth 1.8.1 package on this laptop and sound doesn't work.
20100511 22:36:12< Crazytales> Everything else is fine, but there is no sound.
20100511 22:36:30< mklappstuhl> sevis: i dont like kde.. branded apps, all this glossy shit .. WTF
20100511 22:37:33< sevis> mklappstuhl: Shiny desktop is shiny. Some people like having shiny things where non-shiny would do.
20100511 22:38:14< mklappstuhl> i really like the subtle gradients of mac/ubuntu10 
20100511 22:38:31< mklappstuhl> so from an optical perspective kde is nothing for me
20100511 22:38:46< sevis> Never been a fan of Mac/the new Ubuntu theme.
20100511 22:38:49< mklappstuhl> Crazytales: i disabled sound ..
20100511 22:39:03< Crazytales> mklappstuhl: It's good music, and I get it on my Mac and iPod Touch
20100511 22:39:13< Crazytales> But it doesn't work in ubuntu
20100511 22:39:39< mklappstuhl> broken codecs or anything alike?
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20100511 22:42:30 * Crazytales is assuming its ogg
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20100511 22:43:40< Lok> hello there
20100511 22:43:50< Lok> any ubuntu users here?
20100511 22:43:58< Crazytales> I'm using unr 9.10
20100511 22:44:03< Crazytales> and it-wesnoth packages
20100511 22:45:21< Lok> hm, I guess this is a 10.04 problem, that I can´t left click if I am in window mode
20100511 22:45:40< sevis> Lok: Downgrade to libSDL 1.2.13
20100511 22:45:53< Crazytales> mklappstuhl: yeah, it's all oggs, and they play fine in vlc
20100511 22:46:36< Lok> sevis: that would have been my question, I heard about that, but I am not exactly sure how to do it
20100511 22:46:37< mklappstuhl> Crazytales: okay, ogg should work on a linux box 
20100511 22:46:43< Crazytales> yeah.
20100511 22:47:00< mklappstuhl> dumb computers
20100511 22:47:04< sevis> Lok: You'll need to ask someone else about that, sorry, I'm not on Ubuntu.
20100511 22:47:23< Lok> sevis: still thank you ;-)
20100511 22:47:37< Crazytales> Lok: I'm not on 10.04, so I can't help you sorry.
20100511 22:47:44< Crazytales> I should probably upgrade
20100511 22:48:49< Crazytales> Lok: Are you using wesnoth-1.8 from ubuntu repositories, or wesnoth from it-wesnoth?
20100511 22:48:55< Crazytales> (just for referance)
20100511 22:49:14< Crazytales> mklappstuhl: Sound doesn't work at all, actually
20100511 22:49:19< Crazytales> (in wesnoth)
20100511 22:50:24< Lok> crazytales: uhm, I got wesnoth-1.8 from a debian server
20100511 22:50:30< mklappstuhl> Lok: sevis if it's really all about downgrading libSDL you should be able to do that via synaptic/aptitude
20100511 22:50:34< Crazytales> Lok: aha
20100511 22:50:55< mklappstuhl> Crazytales: diff between it-wesnoth/wesnoth ?
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20100511 22:51:38< Crazytales> mklappstuhl: wesnoth-1.8 from ubuntu repositories is the official ubuntu build
20100511 22:51:59< Crazytales> if you get it from the it-wesnoth repositories, it's unofficial, but often newer
20100511 22:52:16< Lok> ok, so I guess I have the it-wesnoth
20100511 22:52:30< Crazytales> Lok: what's the output of wesnoth --version ?
20100511 22:52:32< Lok> cause when I downloaded it, it was not in the ubuntu repositories yet
20100511 22:53:26< Lok> Crazytales: Battle for Wesnoth 1.8.0
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20100511 22:54:18< Crazytales> Lok: That's the version in the Ubuntu repositories
20100511 22:54:21< Lok> but it would not matter right? cause I had the same problem with 1.6.3
20100511 22:54:25< Crazytales> it-wesnoth is 1.8.1
20100511 22:54:29< Lok> ok
20100511 22:54:51< Crazytales> But yeah, if you had same problem with 1.6.3 then it's probably not due to anything in wesnoth
20100511 22:56:15< Lok> yes, as I heard it is as said be sevis, the libsdl 1.2.14
20100511 22:56:24< Lok> but I have no clue how to do the downgrading
20100511 22:57:09< sevis> Lok: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=321156
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20100511 22:58:03< Lok> thanks sevis
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20100511 22:58:09< Lok> I´ll read that
20100511 23:07:28< Crazytales> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/442535
20100511 23:08:10< Lok> as someone just told me in the ubuntu channel, there might be a fix soon
20100511 23:08:12< Lok> for lucid
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20100511 23:11:52< Crazytales> yeah, I see that at #203158
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20100511 23:16:48< Crazytales> For my problem, installing
20100511 23:16:57< Crazytales> For my problem, installing libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio works a charm.
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20100511 23:17:29< Crazytales> Hi TaylorSwift 
20100511 23:17:39< mklappstuhl> Crazytales: lol, rly?
20100511 23:17:46< mklappstuhl> thats cool
20100511 23:17:52< Crazytales> mklappstuhl: yup
20100511 23:18:28< Crazytales> TaylorSwift: Are you /the/ Taylor Swift?
20100511 23:19:25< Crazytales> What's Klappstuhl mean in German?
20100511 23:19:28< TaylorSwift> XD
20100511 23:19:35< TaylorSwift> That's a crazy tale
20100511 23:19:54< mklappstuhl> Crazytales: something like foldable chair
20100511 23:20:02< Crazytales> Aha.
20100511 23:20:15< Crazytales> Martin Foldingchair
20100511 23:20:36< mklappstuhl> somebody gave me that name in primary school
20100511 23:20:37< TaylorSwift> Some people on irc have told me I'm delusional and I must be the real Taylor Swift <_<
20100511 23:20:37< mklappstuhl> :D
20100511 23:20:59< mklappstuhl> Crazytales: how do you know my prename
20100511 23:21:04< Crazytales> TaylorSwift: Is your name really Taylor Swift?
20100511 23:21:07< TaylorSwift> Nope
20100511 23:21:08< Crazytales> mklappstuhl: It's in your /whois.
20100511 23:21:12< Crazytales> Is it really Taylor?
20100511 23:21:16< TaylorSwift> Nope :p
20100511 23:21:18< Crazytales> Lol
20100511 23:21:24< TaylorSwift> Doesn't stop the teeny-boppers
20100511 23:21:40 * Crazytales thinks Swift is hot but dislikes her music.
20100511 23:21:48< Crazytales> I'm more of a classic rock girl
20100511 23:21:55< TaylorSwift> That's what everyone says :p
20100511 23:22:21 * mklappstuhl googles taylor swift
20100511 23:22:30< TaylorSwift> You ever heard of OneRepublic?
20100511 23:22:43< Crazytales> Yeah.
20100511 23:22:45< mklappstuhl> yup
20100511 23:22:48< Lok> wow I just see it now, there is Taylor Swift o.O
20100511 23:22:51< Crazytales> Stop And Stare
20100511 23:22:58< TaylorSwift> :3
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20100511 23:23:30< TaylorSwift> I've been here for a while Lok :p
20100511 23:23:37< mklappstuhl> looks like my gf i'd say
20100511 23:23:39< TaylorSwift> Well, been around
20100511 23:24:08< Valkier> A Perfect Circle is the best.
20100511 23:24:09< Valkier> Just sayin
20100511 23:24:21 * Crazytales likes wesnoth music too
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20100511 23:24:36< Lok> haha, yes, but I haven´t paid attention
20100511 23:24:58< Lok> I´m going to build a perfect circle with my tool haha ... 
20100511 23:28:49< mklappstuhl> where can i register for the official wesnoth server?
20100511 23:29:13< Valkier> You don't really register...
20100511 23:29:30< mklappstuhl> i just enter my name and a password i want?
20100511 23:29:36< sevis> mklappstuhl: You can register on the forums, and use that to log in on the server, afaik.
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20100511 23:30:45< TaylorSwift> ^^
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20100511 23:33:57< mklappstuhl> sevis: or i dont register at all... that was to simple :D
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20100511 23:37:54< Lariel> ah stupid stormy weather
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20100511 23:38:31< Valkier> Where are you at, Lariel?
20100511 23:38:48< Lariel> southern germany
20100511 23:38:53< Valkier> ahh
20100511 23:38:54< Lariel> bavaria, czcech border
20100511 23:38:55< Lariel> ^^
20100511 23:39:01< Lariel> czech 
20100511 23:39:08< Valkier> Just got rained on here on the east coast US
20100511 23:39:19< Lariel> guess it is not the same storm
20100511 23:39:20< Lariel> ^^
20100511 23:40:34< Valkier> So it would seem.
20100511 23:40:56< Valkier> I so do not want to design these boots still.
20100511 23:40:57< Valkier> Ugh.
20100511 23:41:05< Lariel> boots?
20100511 23:41:14< Lariel> what kind of boots?
20100511 23:41:34< mklappstuhl> how do i whisper? 
20100511 23:41:49< Valkier> Don't talk loud.
20100511 23:42:18< mklappstuhl> :) and in the multiplayer chat?
20100511 23:42:25< Lariel> there is a checkbox
20100511 23:42:31< Lariel> which says only team
20100511 23:43:11< sevis> mklappstuhl: I'm not quite sure, but I think it's the /msg command. Check the /help command if that doesn't work.
20100511 23:43:48< Soul_keeper> don't type  /msgadmin  you'll upset the admins :)
20100511 23:43:55< Valkier> http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9541/val2y.jpg
20100511 23:44:04< Valkier> What weapons should I give this guy?
20100511 23:44:40< Lariel> what is it? undead?
20100511 23:44:47< Valkier> Yup. He's a dead one.
20100511 23:44:49< Soul_keeper> Valkier, he looks kinda like marilyn manson
20100511 23:45:13< Lariel> he looks like a guy who would throw knifes or stars (like the ones ninjas use^^)
20100511 23:45:30< Soul_keeper> can you give him a leather whip ?
20100511 23:45:49< Valkier> Could give him whatever I want. ^_^
20100511 23:46:26< mklappstuhl> is there a simple way to meet a friend online to play wesnoth?
20100511 23:46:38< Valkier> And good, Lariel. I was going for an assassinish look.
20100511 23:46:39< mklappstuhl> somehow it seems that we're on different servers
20100511 23:47:18< sevis> Hm. Personally, I think he could do with an ornate, light axe.
20100511 23:47:22< Lariel> valkier, he really looks like one who sneeks up behind you and then slits your throat^^
20100511 23:47:34< Lariel> can I change the language of my wesnoth even after I have installed it?
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20100511 23:47:50< Valkier> Axes and daggers...
20100511 23:47:53 * Valkier ponders
20100511 23:48:41< Unnheulu> Valkier, I wanna see the sculpture :P
20100511 23:49:24< Valkier> hah!
20100511 23:49:29< Lariel> how did you make this image?
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20100511 23:49:59< Soul_keeper> maybe twin Machete's
20100511 23:50:01< Valkier> Photoshop and a wacom tablet.
20100511 23:50:56< Lariel> looks great
20100511 23:51:00< Valkier> Thank ya.
20100511 23:51:13< Valkier> I still need to finish roughing out a couple places and then I'm going to refine it and add the details.
20100511 23:52:13< mklappstuhl> hm i dont get it ... how can i play with a friend on a wesnoth server
20100511 23:52:17< mklappstuhl> we dont see eacht other
20100511 23:52:25< sevis> mklappstuhl: Have you got the same version?
20100511 23:53:15< Unnheulu> S/got/hacked the game to think/
20100511 23:53:18< Unnheulu> sorry
20100511 23:54:01< Valkier> Unnheulu: I'll try to get some pictures posted tonight.
20100511 23:54:14< Valkier> It's by no means amazing however. Just to warn you.
20100511 23:54:21< Unnheulu> Yay
20100511 23:55:13< Unnheulu> Aww
20100511 23:57:40< mklappstuhl> Crazytales: is 1.6.5 the latest stable for ubuntu 'wesnoth' ?
20100511 23:58:35< Lariel> as far as I know 1.8.0 is 
20100511 23:59:00< Crazytales> mklappstuhl: 1.8.0 in lucid
20100511 23:59:21< Crazytales> "wesnoth" is still the 1.6 branch, but wesnoth-1.8 is the 1.8 branch
20100511 23:59:44< mklappstuhl> Lariel: ahhh okay
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