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20100512 00:00:28< Crazytales> I'm running karmic, so I installed from it-wesnoth.
20100512 00:00:34< mklappstuhl> Crazytales: okay, somebody just told me 1.6.5 is the latest stable for him
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20100512 00:05:25< Unnheulu> *yawns*
20100512 00:05:38< Unnheulu> Revision is soooo boring
20100512 00:06:25< Crazytales> Revision?
20100512 00:07:00< Unnheulu> Looking over stuff in preparation for an exam
20100512 00:07:17< sevis> What subject are you revising?
20100512 00:07:26< Crazytales> Aha, we US people call it reviewing.
20100512 00:08:30< Unnheulu> English, the worst
20100512 00:08:53< sevis> Ah, yes. Grammar?
20100512 00:09:24< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100512 00:09:31< Unnheulu> Hate it
20100512 00:09:56< Unnheulu> Apparently "here, over there" is incorrect grammar
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20100512 00:10:18< Valkier> Where are you from, Unnheulu?
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20100512 00:10:38< Unnheulu> Wales/Britain
20100512 00:10:51< Valkier> Pfft
20100512 00:10:52< Unnheulu> Like cloud and tsi
20100512 00:11:05< Crazytales> Unnheulu: Do any wesnothian names look Welsh at all to you
20100512 00:11:08< Valkier> You'd think the original owners of English would know this. ;-)
20100512 00:11:40< Blarumyrran> I think they're dead
20100512 00:11:46< Unnheulu> Crazytales, have you been listening to me for months? :P
20100512 00:11:54< Crazytales> Unnheulu: Nope
20100512 00:12:06< Unnheulu> Valkier, grammar here is massively different to England
20100512 00:12:11< Crazytales> But I was thinking, especially the human names
20100512 00:12:15< Valkier> Pfft
20100512 00:12:21< Valkier> Well you all need to learn to speak American!
20100512 00:12:31< Unnheulu> Heh
20100512 00:12:39< Valkier> We know better and.. stuff...
20100512 00:12:42< Unnheulu> All the English names do, I agree
20100512 00:12:51< Unnheulu> *human
20100512 00:12:54< Unnheulu> >.<
20100512 00:13:29< Crazytales> Wose names are just effing weird... Brumbumdebubdum, Mundbempomgor, Brombempomgontor...
20100512 00:13:42< Unnheulu> Valkier, a dozen English word are from Celtic languages, methinks you should agree with us
20100512 00:13:52< Valkier> Nuh uh!
20100512 00:14:02< Valkier> I only speak american! You all just copied us!
20100512 00:14:27< Valkier> You also coppied Italian food and screwed up soccer!
20100512 00:14:28< Unnheulu> Ddim siarad ._.
20100512 00:14:33< Crazytales> Ddim siarad?
20100512 00:14:38< Valkier> Football is played with hands. Hellooooo
20100512 00:14:44< Unnheulu> Shuddit :P
20100512 00:14:49< Valkier> lol
20100512 00:14:56< Valkier> No really. I think all countries suck.
20100512 00:15:05< Valkier> America being one of the most hypocritical of the bunch.
20100512 00:15:34< Unnheulu> We just changed governments like three hours ago
20100512 00:15:48< Unnheulu> So it is to be seen what happens to us
20100512 00:15:55< Valkier> Hmm
20100512 00:16:01< Valkier> Oh yeah. Guess you did.
20100512 00:16:10< Valkier> I wish we'd change governments here.
20100512 00:16:25< Valkier> Kinda sad when we have to choose between Obama and McCain.
20100512 00:16:32< Valkier> It's like choosing between cancer and AIDS.
20100512 00:16:46< Unnheulu> No third choice?
20100512 00:16:54< mklappstuhl> Valkier: LOL
20100512 00:16:55< Valkier> Technically, however it's a joke.
20100512 00:17:15< Valkier> We have a third person every election but a democrat or republican is always elected.
20100512 00:17:27< Unnheulu> You heard of the ira?
20100512 00:17:27< Crazytales> Yeah, the third party doesn't get enough money support
20100512 00:17:36< Valkier> Besides. Ralph Nader is the devil.
20100512 00:17:42< Crazytales> Valkier: @.@
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20100512 00:18:00< Valkier> When that man talks I can hear the screams of dead children on the wind.
20100512 00:18:09< Unnheulu> Aww
20100512 00:18:34< Unnheulu> Some of the uks seats are held by a terrorist party :/
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20100512 00:18:58< Valkier> We have something like that.
20100512 00:19:00< Unnheulu> Political wing of the IRA, sinn féin
20100512 00:19:19< Unnheulu> You have no fourth party?
20100512 00:19:26< Lariel> wow, this sounds so much worse than what he have here 
20100512 00:19:40< Lariel> we only have stupid old conservative people
20100512 00:19:45< Lariel> who lost track of life
20100512 00:19:51< Valkier> We have republican, deomcrat, and green party. Anything else is pretty much just a rehash of those, only with stupid people.
20100512 00:19:57< Unnheulu> What's wrong with uk/us way?
20100512 00:20:12< Lariel> to have just two choices?
20100512 00:20:20< Lariel> I mean, that you can only choose between two partys?
20100512 00:20:27< Unnheulu> We have a bunch of nationalists and unionists to
20100512 00:20:30< VurtualRuler98> I vote for myself.
20100512 00:20:42< Lariel> well, I am off
20100512 00:20:45< Lariel> see you later
20100512 00:20:47< VurtualRuler98> Every election, I only get a handful of votes.
20100512 00:20:47< Lariel> bye bye
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20100512 00:20:50< VurtualRuler98> But it's growing every run.
20100512 00:21:03< Valkier> Technically we do have Libertarians.
20100512 00:21:06< Unnheulu> When in of age i'm voting in the communists or something
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20100512 00:21:10< Unnheulu> For the kola
20100512 00:21:11< Valkier> However those crazy whack jobs..
20100512 00:21:14< Unnheulu> *lols
20100512 00:21:34< Valkier> The day we vote a Libertarian in, I'm almost positive gravity will cease and spiders will walk like men.
20100512 00:21:57< VurtualRuler98> Spiderman will be born?
20100512 00:22:12< Valkier> Why not?
20100512 00:22:24< PetePorty> hi
20100512 00:22:27< VurtualRuler98> ...how is this meant to be a bad thing?
20100512 00:22:28< Valkier> A Libertarian would be in power. May as well have reality fold in on itself.
20100512 00:22:38< Blarumyrran> A government that spends all resources on funding spiderman abilities research
20100512 00:22:40< VurtualRuler98> We'll have spiderman around!
20100512 00:22:48< Unnheulu> We have a liberal democrat/conservative government...
20100512 00:23:31< VurtualRuler98> Department of Counter-Strike.
20100512 00:23:39< Valkier> I like how Lewis Black describes the american politcal system.
20100512 00:23:53< Crazytales> I wonder if any wesnoth names are profanity in other languages
20100512 00:23:58< Crazytales> I've met an orc named Bung
20100512 00:24:01< Unnheulu> Obama is confuzzled by ours :)
20100512 00:24:05< Valkier> We have Republicans who are a party of bad idea. And we have democrats who are a party of no ideas.
20100512 00:24:35< Valkier> So in a typical senate meeting, we have a democrat who will stand up and say, "Hey everybody! I have a really useless idea!"
20100512 00:24:45< Valkier> And then a republican will stand up and say, "And I can make it shittier!"
20100512 00:25:07< Blarumyrran> Why would they say that
20100512 00:25:17< Unnheulu> Sounds like our Sennedd :)
20100512 00:25:44< Valkier> Well basically it boils down to right now, the republicans are dying but refuse to give up.
20100512 00:26:07< Unnheulu> Valkier, in America is Britain seen as posh?
20100512 00:26:16< Valkier> So we have democrats with PHds and years of experience saying how we can fix certain aspects of the country, but no bills get passed because the GOP has senate majority.
20100512 00:26:25< VurtualRuler98> We really need a Department of Counter-Strike, whose sole job is to do things like increase internet speeds and such.
20100512 00:26:26< Valkier> Nah. We like you guys actually.
20100512 00:26:45< Unnheulu> No jabs about tea?
20100512 00:26:57< Valkier> VurtualRuler98: Go read up on the FCC's $28 billion proposal for the internet.
20100512 00:27:10< Unnheulu> Accent?
20100512 00:27:15< Unnheulu> Sheep shagging?
20100512 00:27:28< PetePorty> hey welsh!
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20100512 00:27:31< VurtualRuler98> All the people elected to it are anonymous, having only their plans and ideas tied to them, and all votes are anonymous. The people in office get IDs so we know if one guy is doing bad things, and nothing else.
20100512 00:27:36< Valkier> Nope. We have decided we like tea, the accents are hot, and Kentucky shags as many sheep as you do.
20100512 00:27:41< Unnheulu> Hey pedro!
20100512 00:27:43< PetePorty> CROSSBOW!
20100512 00:27:43< Blarumyrran> I thought sheep shagging was solely scottish pasttime
20100512 00:27:47< VurtualRuler98> A random kid may just sneak his way into the group and revolutionize everything for good.
20100512 00:27:47< PetePorty> :)
20100512 00:28:02< VurtualRuler98> America does not like tea.
20100512 00:28:07< Valkier> The fuck we don't.
20100512 00:28:11< Valkier> You hear about green tea?
20100512 00:28:18 * Crazytales is waiting for her peppermint tea to cool down a bit
20100512 00:28:19< VurtualRuler98> We'll throw you in, too.
20100512 00:28:34< Valkier> I dare you to go to any store right now and not find an isle dedicated to tea.
20100512 00:28:36< Unnheulu> Vurtual, I dunno, it's pretty big here, if English *football* fans are to be beloved
20100512 00:28:41< Unnheulu> FFA
20100512 00:28:44< Unnheulu> Ffs
20100512 00:28:49< Unnheulu> Believed
20100512 00:28:56< Valkier> Unnheulu: We do kind of laugh at your law enforcement.
20100512 00:29:01< VurtualRuler98> America gives you 3 options, water you pump out of the ground yourself, something with caffeine in it, or something with alchohol in it.
20100512 00:29:21< VurtualRuler98> Or all of the above, in some cases.
20100512 00:29:25< Unnheulu> So do I tbh
20100512 00:29:48< Blarumyrran> coffeine & alcohol together are bad for your heart though
20100512 00:29:49< Unnheulu> Your more likely to be in trouble for littering than murder
20100512 00:29:50< Valkier> I survive off water, and cheez-its.
20100512 00:30:14< VurtualRuler98> Tell that to vodka+coca cola, Blarumyrran.
20100512 00:30:26< Blarumyrran> VurtualRuler98, only tried energy drink + vodka
20100512 00:30:47< Valkier> Vodka+kahlua
20100512 00:30:49< Valkier> mmmm
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20100512 00:31:08< Unnheulu> Photos uploaded yet?
20100512 00:31:25< Valkier> You want to see my boobs that bad eh?
20100512 00:31:33< Unnheulu> ...
20100512 00:31:47< Valkier> lol
20100512 00:31:49< Unnheulu> Sculpture :P
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20100512 00:32:03< Blarumyrran> VurtualRuler98, besides, what "tell that to"?
20100512 00:32:18< Valkier> I'll upload them tonight. :-P
20100512 00:32:19< Blarumyrran> You might know how bad it was only dozens of years later
20100512 00:32:35< Valkier> Till then you'll have to just make do with my crappy 2D stuff.
20100512 00:32:57< Unnheulu> Meh I'll be sleeping till 8am your time
20100512 00:33:13< Unnheulu> No
20100512 00:33:14< Valkier> And whose fault is that?
20100512 00:33:18< Unnheulu> That's wrong^^
20100512 00:33:22< Unnheulu> 1am
20100512 00:33:29< Unnheulu> DST
20100512 00:33:31< Crazytales> Unnheulu: Are there any wesnoth names that actually mean anything in Welsh?
20100512 00:33:45< Unnheulu> That's who's fault =]
20100512 00:33:58< Unnheulu> Dunno
20100512 00:34:03< Unnheulu> Haven't checked
20100512 00:34:35< Crazytales> Addraennycyn
20100512 00:34:39< Unnheulu> If it has a j k or z it won't
20100512 00:34:47< Unnheulu> No lol
20100512 00:34:53< Crazytales> Bung
20100512 00:35:11< Unnheulu> Ath rine ee sin
20100512 00:35:14< Unnheulu> O.o
20100512 00:35:14< Crazytales> No wait, Bung is orcish.
20100512 00:35:38< Unnheulu> It would be ih not ee
20100512 00:35:51< Unnheulu> [pronounced]
20100512 00:36:34< Unnheulu> Weird :/
20100512 00:36:35< Valkier> I wish there were a good MMO out.
20100512 00:36:40 * Blarumyrran has no clue how ih not ee would be pronounced
20100512 00:36:55< Unnheulu> Exactly that, ee :/
20100512 00:37:10< Unnheulu> Like in free
20100512 00:37:12< Blarumyrran> "exactly that" isn't really helpful :\
20100512 00:37:14< Blarumyrran> ah.
20100512 00:37:34< Blarumyrran> And ih?
20100512 00:37:58< Unnheulu> Like in it or is or in
20100512 00:38:02< Crazytales> Addryddyn
20100512 00:38:10< Blarumyrran> there's no ih in it or is or in
20100512 00:38:23< Unnheulu> Like the I
20100512 00:38:44< Unnheulu> Athrithin, weird names^^
20100512 00:38:54< Blarumyrran> Arthritis
20100512 00:39:08< Unnheulu> What's wrong with Llewelyn or glundwr?
20100512 00:39:14< Crazytales> Glundwr?
20100512 00:39:26< Unnheulu> Glundwr 
20100512 00:39:35< Unnheulu> Owain glundwr
20100512 00:39:45< Unnheulu> Welsh rebel
20100512 00:39:48< Blarumyrran> How is the w in the end pronounced
20100512 00:40:06< Unnheulu> Oohwer
20100512 00:40:17< Unnheulu> That's awful sorry :/
20100512 00:40:45< Unnheulu> Glin do-er is the best way of saying it I guess
20100512 00:41:11< Unnheulu> Or owen glendower as Shakespeare said
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20100512 02:25:46< mklappstuhl> is there a way to see the player that needs to move in a multiplayer game?
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20100512 02:40:45< mklappstuhl> any hints?
20100512 02:41:39< bigmalletman> mklappstuhl: i'm not entirely sure what you mean by your question
20100512 02:43:06< Rhonda> mklappstuhl: Does using the shortcut for seeing the objectives help?
20100512 02:43:26< Rhonda> Actually that should display them for the current active fraction.
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20100512 02:52:22< mklappstuhl> i cant say it in english
20100512 02:52:47< mklappstuhl> its when im done with my turn and another player takes over... i want to see which player that is
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20100512 02:59:31< pburt> i have a problem in ubuntu 10.04 with wesnoth, none of the buttons can be clicked
20100512 02:59:45< pburt> they still get bright when mouse over, but they are not clickable
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20100512 03:19:39< Crazytales> pburt: still here?
20100512 03:20:40< Crazytales> Down grade libsdl1.2 to 1.2.13
20100512 03:22:46< Soul_keeper> what about 1.2.14 ?
20100512 03:23:12< Crazytales> I believe 1.2.14 is the one that is included by default on lucid, but I don't have a lucid box myself
20100512 03:23:20< Soul_keeper> seems to work on my system
20100512 03:23:59< Soul_keeper> using slamd64/slackware here however
20100512 03:24:02< Crazytales> fullscreen or windowed?
20100512 03:24:17< Soul_keeper> no problems fs or windowed
20100512 03:27:10< Crazytales> It may be just the ubuntu build of libsdl 1.2.14
20100512 03:29:15< Soul_keeper> could be, there are a lot of compile options for it
20100512 03:30:09 * Crazytales is an ubuntard
20100512 03:30:22< Crazytales> For me, it's apt > custom repositories > compiling
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20100512 03:30:37< pburt> Crazytales, ok
20100512 03:30:42< pburt> how does one dowgrade?
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20100512 03:35:34< Crazytales> It's the first google result for "downgrade packages ubuntu"
20100512 03:35:49< Crazytales> Basically you apt-get install nameofpackage=versionnumber
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20100512 03:37:03< Crazytales> After issuing apt-cache showpkg nameofpackage to confirm that there actually is a lower version available in repositories.
20100512 03:38:21< Crazytales> You are looking at the package libsdl1.2 I believe
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20100512 03:41:53< pburt> libsdl1.2 Versions: <nothing>
20100512 03:41:58< pburt> eh
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20100512 03:43:12< Crazytales> Aha
20100512 03:43:16< Crazytales> libsdl1.2debian
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20100512 03:48:32< pburt> is the wesnoth problem fixed in 1.8?
20100512 03:48:42< pburt> is it compatible with sdl1.2.14?
20100512 03:49:21< Crazytales> Nope, the problem is extant in both the 1.6 and 1.8 branches. it's a libsdl bug.
20100512 03:50:45< pburt> ok
20100512 03:51:51< pburt> Versions: 1.2.14-4ubuntu1
20100512 03:51:54< pburt> that is all
20100512 03:55:41< Crazytales> Check under Provides
20100512 03:57:19< pburt> Provides: 1.2.14-4ubuntu1 - Reverse Provides: <nothing>
20100512 03:58:49< Crazytales> sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian=1.2.13-4ubuntu4 
20100512 03:59:00< Crazytales> try that, the worst it will do is give you an error message
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20100512 04:00:56< pburt> E: Version '1.2.13-4ubuntu4' for 'libsdl1.2debian' was not found
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20100512 04:03:06< Crazytales> Are you willing to add karmic repositories and install karmic's libsdl1.2debian version (that's where that version number is from; it is installed on my system)
20100512 04:03:50< Crazytales> You could be fine ... or ... epic breakage may result.
20100512 04:04:15< pburt> hmmm
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20100512 04:12:21< pburt> is that bug in sdl likely to be fixed soon?
20100512 04:12:44< shadowmaster> bug...sdl...
20100512 04:13:18< Crazytales> pburt: I believe a fix will be released soon, not sure though.
20100512 04:13:21< shadowmaster> 1.2.14 in Debian Sid atm doesn't have the problem AFAIK, because of a patch specific to Debian that I guess didn't make it to whatever version of Ubuntu you're using.
20100512 04:13:44< shadowmaster> I don't know about the upstream status though. I believe we contacted the lead dev about it already
20100512 04:14:10< Crazytales> shadowmaster: pburt is using Lucid.
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20100512 04:14:38< shadowmaster> I don't know much about Ubuntu, I use Debian :P
20100512 04:14:55 * Crazytales uses Lenny on her vps
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20100512 04:15:58< Crazytales> I have Ubuntu Karmic on my netbook though.
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20100512 09:44:53< Ivanovic> moin
20100512 09:45:55< Valkier> Yo
20100512 09:46:49< Valkier> Hows it going?
20100512 09:48:33< zookeeper> the usual. art contributors leaving in a huff.
20100512 09:49:29< Valkier> Oh?
20100512 09:49:34< Valkier> Why?
20100512 09:50:12< zookeeper> well, look at the last page of scavenger's thread
20100512 09:51:20< Valkier> Eh
20100512 09:51:26< Valkier> He wasn't thst great anyhow.
20100512 09:51:55< Blarumyrran> who, scavenger?
20100512 09:52:09< zookeeper> i think deoran and m'brin were great (especially the latter). gerrick was "ok" and ethiliel i didn't like because of the style.
20100512 09:52:22< zookeeper> Blarumyrran, yes?
20100512 09:52:26< zookeeper> who else
20100512 09:52:26< Valkier> Should I post artsy things to try to calm things down?
20100512 09:52:37< Blarumyrran> I think he's better than you, Valkier 
20100512 09:52:47< Valkier> k
20100512 09:53:12< Valkier> So yes? No?
20100512 09:53:19< zookeeper> sure, why not?
20100512 09:53:23< Valkier> Hurray!
20100512 09:55:28< Rhonda> zookeeper: Link?
20100512 09:55:36< zookeeper> i wonder why he's saying his style isn't compatible instead of just drawing in a compatible style, since clearly he's capable of doing that too
20100512 09:55:43< zookeeper> Rhonda, http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=29902
20100512 09:55:55< Blarumyrran> It's more fun to draw in your own style
20100512 09:56:06< Valkier> What's your forum name, Bla?
20100512 09:56:12< Blarumyrran> Blarumyrran
20100512 09:56:18< Valkier> And you contribute..?
20100512 09:56:24< Blarumyrran> A little
20100512 09:56:28< Valkier> Then do hush.
20100512 09:56:33< Blarumyrran> about what
20100512 10:10:59< Valkier> All righty. I posted.
20100512 10:15:41< Valkier> Blarumyrran: While his landscapes and buildings are quite beyond my ability (for now. Guess what I'm practicing all summer) his characters were extremely cartoony and disproportionate compared to everything else being done at this time.
20100512 10:15:45< Blarumyrran> You don't actually need outlines in campaign portraits; afaik campaign portraits only have to be consistent among themselves
20100512 10:15:55< Valkier> Yeah.. They do actually.
20100512 10:16:04< Valkier> It's the wesnoth style.
20100512 10:16:09< Blarumyrran> (although that does look silly, since you'll probably also use default units portraits)
20100512 10:16:17< Blarumyrran> Valkier, that's for default units
20100512 10:16:26< Blarumyrran> default portraits*
20100512 10:16:27< Valkier> You just kind of argued agianst yourself.
20100512 10:16:32< Blarumyrran> hm?
20100512 10:16:50< Blarumyrran> I didn't argue, I'm saying what I've heard is the polivy
20100512 10:16:50< Valkier> You just said it would look silly not to since default unit portraits are used.
20100512 10:16:56< Blarumyrran> yes
20100512 10:16:59< Blarumyrran> I think it is silly
20100512 10:17:03< Blarumyrran> I also think it is the policy
20100512 10:17:24< Valkier> Well, I haven't heard anything about compaign portraits not using lines.
20100512 10:17:35< Valkier> If I did, I wouldn't be doing unit portraits. I hate putting outlines on my stuff.
20100512 10:17:47< Blarumyrran> liberty portraits are still the ones by jason lutes
20100512 10:17:53< Blarumyrran> (with outlines, but a different style still)
20100512 10:18:01< Valkier> No clue what those are.
20100512 10:18:32 * zookeeper also notes that unlike everyone is saying, the art directors don't actually decide what's good enough for a given campaign, at least not unless someone tries to put something grossly horrible into one
20100512 10:19:05< Valkier> Well regardless, I trust their critique over a lot.
20100512 10:19:18< Blarumyrran> whose
20100512 10:19:23< Blarumyrran> Oh nvm
20100512 10:19:27< Valkier> Kitty, Jetrel, TSI, Lord Bob.
20100512 10:19:37< Blarumyrran> Yep, thought you were referring to something earlier
20100512 10:20:06< Valkier> Nah. I look at every critique given to me. I just decide if it's worth listening to or not.
20100512 10:20:25< zookeeper> i might want to put the m'brin portrait in since the current one is just some old crappy mal-ravanal portrait, but i don't want to replace deoran and gerrick since at least they're somewhat consistent with the rest of that campaign's portraits.
20100512 10:20:25< Blarumyrran> What did that relate to
20100512 10:20:27< Valkier> If proportion, colors, concept, or anything else is off and not getting the message I want across, I listen.
20100512 10:21:06< Valkier> It's sad that Scavenger hasn't learned that lesson yet.
20100512 10:22:42< Valkier> Besides. Calling his work sexist is a bit of a stretch.
20100512 10:23:39< Valkier> Maybe somewhat cliche in that the male hero looks rough and rugged and the female has breasts that could crush a head, but hardly sexist.
20100512 10:24:36 * zookeeper thinks that ethiliel is just downright creepy
20100512 10:24:53< Valkier> That the female?
20100512 10:25:01< zookeeper> yes
20100512 10:25:59< Valkier> Yeah... Very man-ish to me.
20100512 10:26:00< zookeeper> the bodily proportions are so wacky and she has huge hands
20100512 10:26:18< Valkier> But he'd be a great landscape artist.
20100512 10:26:27< zookeeper> sure
20100512 10:26:39< Valkier> And nobody gave him credit for trying different poses and expressions, which sucks.
20100512 10:27:17< zookeeper> what different poses and expressions?
20100512 10:27:28< Blarumyrran> the ones on the hero I assume
20100512 10:27:34< Valkier> Yeah
20100512 10:27:45< Valkier> Most wesnoth portraits don't have much in the way of facial expression.
20100512 10:27:57< Valkier> All very serious looking and whatnot.
20100512 10:28:13< Valkier> Not many look happy, angry, sad, jealous, arrogant, etc.
20100512 10:28:18< Valkier> All just very... stern.
20100512 10:29:03< Valkier> Yeah, his proportions and whatnot are off, but he did put personality into them.
20100512 10:29:31< zookeeper> well, no wonder, since if you want 4 expressions you need to draw 4 portraits :p
20100512 10:29:40< Blarumyrran> And they look really... professional somehow
20100512 10:30:10< Valkier> Not at all, Zookeeper.
20100512 10:30:10< zookeeper> of course you could get smart and make a base portrait which fits all the expressions at least somewhat, and then only change the face or other small details on each one
20100512 10:30:31< Valkier> Or, you could just make one portrait with an expression and captures what the character is all about.
20100512 10:30:50< Valkier> that captures*
20100512 10:31:26< zookeeper> and then use that portrait even in contrary situations?
20100512 10:31:36< Valkier> Contrary to being themselves?
20100512 10:32:07< zookeeper> yeah, like people
20100512 10:32:25< Valkier> I dunno. I've gotten "being me" down to a science in every situation.
20100512 10:33:07< Blarumyrran> Using one portrait for steven seagal would work out
20100512 10:33:15< zookeeper> or maybe i just have no idea how a single expression can capture what a character is all about in every situation.
20100512 10:33:34< Valkier> Well, take my portrait for Celadon (name?)
20100512 10:33:43< Valkier> He is a crazy power hungry regal mage.
20100512 10:34:06< Valkier> So, I gave him a suitably arrogant/powerful expression along with body language.
20100512 10:34:23< zookeeper> yeah, he's _insane_. if the character is insane then you can get away with being insane 100% of the time.
20100512 10:34:37< Valkier> Likewise if a character is brave.
20100512 10:34:48< Valkier> Or cowardly
20100512 10:34:50< Valkier> Or anything.
20100512 10:34:57< Blarumyrran> http://minorityblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/steven_seagal_expressions.jpg
20100512 10:35:40< Valkier> If it's ever asked that we give characters different expressions for different situations, we can do that.
20100512 10:36:04< Valkier> I'm just saying that it is very possible to make a character portrait that shows what kind of character it is.
20100512 10:37:11< zookeeper> Valkier, of course it is, i never said you couldn't. all i'm saying is that quite a few characters actually show different responses depending on the situations, instead of being "always brave", "always cowardly", etc.
20100512 10:37:49< Valkier> I think we're off topic. :-P
20100512 10:38:21< zookeeper> sure if you have a narrow stereotype like "insane mage", "bloodthirsty orc" or "loyal royal guard" then they never need to show more than one expression
20100512 10:38:33< zookeeper> really? i thought this was exactly what we were talking about :|
20100512 10:38:51< Valkier> I was talking about that he gave more expression than most portraits get.
20100512 10:39:11< Valkier> And somehow it's turned into what expressions every unit should get.
20100512 10:39:44< zookeeper> fine
20100512 10:40:21< Valkier> But yeah. That elf chick is freaking me out the longer I look at it.
20100512 10:41:02< Valkier> I think what it comes down to is this guy has a horribly large ego for being "a professional comic artist."
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20100512 10:41:31< Valkier> Even his goodbye message sounds kind of demeaning to what people have done so far.
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20100512 11:52:50< halifix> I like Blue Water Province... why won't people join :(
20100512 11:52:57< halifix> MP game
20100512 12:03:17< Sacho> that thread is hilarious
20100512 12:03:26< Sacho> pretty sure kitty got worse feedback when she started :P
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20100512 13:01:32< halifix> it's quite scary when you play Isar's for 24 turns and suddenly there's 8 observers
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20100512 13:07:01< halifix> ...one day... on Blue Water Province, I will get a teammate that doesn't use up all his gold on the first turn, and actually moves towards his 2nd keep
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20100512 15:37:05< King_Elendil> hey artisticdude, what's up :) ?
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20100512 15:37:50< artisticdude> Lots. I'm resurrecting my very first campaign, animating sprites for Hulavuta, creating sound effects for Supponing Wars,
20100512 15:38:09< artisticdude> He's gone? After I typed all that? :P
20100512 15:48:39< Woodmouse> lol :0
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20100512 15:58:20< King_Elendil> sorry, I'm back :)
20100512 16:00:41< artisticdude> Aha!
20100512 16:00:51< artisticdude> Where was I...
20100512 16:01:58< artisticdude> I hate balancing. It's my least favorite part of creating an add-on, but it's absolutely necessary.
20100512 16:02:45< zookeeper> artisticdude, btw, it's "resurrection", not "ressurection"
20100512 16:03:07< shadowmaster> cd ..
20100512 16:03:23< shadowmaster> I'm not here :x
20100512 16:03:47< artisticdude> I know. I saw that after I uploaded it and I'm like 'Dang!' But I didn't want to upload it again just for that, so... 
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20100512 16:04:19< artisticdude> It makes me look like an idiot, I know. :P
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20100512 16:05:58< artisticdude> I wonder where Gambit's been lately, he used to be on IRC all the time.
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20100512 16:07:29< artisticdude> You're back. :)
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20100512 16:21:07< Sacho> restraining order?
20100512 16:21:24< Sacho> You hate balancing? Some people love balancing :)
20100512 16:21:30< shadowmaster> I banned him.
20100512 16:25:50< Woodmouse> who?
20100512 16:25:55< shadowmaster> Gambit.
20100512 16:26:00< Woodmouse> :0
20100512 16:26:14< Woodmouse> he was so awesome... :(
20100512 16:26:31< shadowmaster> No fool, the +b list is empty.
20100512 16:26:53< Woodmouse> O.o
20100512 16:27:00< Woodmouse> ok
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20100512 16:34:33< Unnheulu> Bah ._.
20100512 16:34:42< Unnheulu> I have to use irssi, no other client works :(
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20100512 16:48:26< Woodmouse> Blarumyrran! :D
20100512 16:48:37< Blarumyrran> Yes?
20100512 16:48:48< Woodmouse> nothing, just hi
20100512 16:49:12< Blarumyrran> Hello
20100512 16:52:12< wooj> Are there any good rpg campaigns for wesnoth?
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20100512 16:52:34< shadowmaster> yes
20100512 16:52:43< shadowmaster> oh wait, no, I don't know. Maybe.
20100512 16:52:56< Blarumyrran> Spencelack's campaigns
20100512 16:53:09< wooj> I see a bunch of stuff in add-ons that I could download, but I don't know whats any good, y'know?
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20100512 16:53:19< wooj> wtb rating system :)
20100512 16:53:33< Blarumyrran> shikadibot: wtb?
20100512 16:53:35< shikadibot> Sorry, I don't know what 'wtb' means...
20100512 16:53:50< wooj> it means 'want to buy' 
20100512 16:53:57< wooj> as in, I wish there was, etc.
20100512 16:54:06< Blarumyrran> The one time that I actually remember to ask shikadibot
20100512 16:54:16< Blarumyrran> and he doesn't know
20100512 16:54:22< Woodmouse> HE?
20100512 16:54:45< Blarumyrran> I think calling inanimate things other than countries and ships female, is weird
20100512 16:54:53< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: I don't care.
20100512 16:54:59< shadowmaster> I'm the author, not you.
20100512 16:55:09< Woodmouse> lol
20100512 16:55:28< Woodmouse> But... what if someone called a ship male? O.o
20100512 16:55:29< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, you don't care that I don't call him female, or that he doesn't know wtb?
20100512 16:55:51< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: I don't care about your opinion about stuff being weird.
20100512 16:55:59< shadowmaster> Woodmouse: shut up.
20100512 16:56:10< Woodmouse> ok, I just asked.
20100512 16:56:11< Blarumyrran> Oh that's news
20100512 16:56:24< shadowmaster> Woodmouse: yes, you always ask ridiculous crap.
20100512 16:56:29< Woodmouse> ok
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20100512 17:07:25< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: why don't other clients work?
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20100512 17:08:32< Unnheulu> Dunno, they can't connect to freenode
20100512 17:08:38< shadowmaster> what do they say?
20100512 17:08:41< Unnheulu> Not enough of something set
20100512 17:08:43< Unnheulu> *sent
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20100512 17:08:51< shadowmaster> what do they say?
20100512 17:09:22< Unnheulu> USER: Not enough parameters
20100512 17:09:43< shadowmaster> er. that's ridiculous.
20100512 17:09:47< shadowmaster> what clients are those?
20100512 17:09:52< Unnheulu> Both xchat
20100512 17:09:57< Unnheulu> (one is xchat-gnome)
20100512 17:10:09< shadowmaster> wtf did you feed to xchat?
20100512 17:10:19 * Unnheulu shrugs
20100512 17:10:26< Unnheulu> Just set it up like normal
20100512 17:10:38< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: try asking in #xchat
20100512 17:10:50< shadowmaster> that doesn't sound normal but maybe they know what's up with it
20100512 17:10:52< Unnheulu> Meh, I'm fine with irssi for now
20100512 17:11:01< Unnheulu> Maybe when I have more time
20100512 17:11:03< shadowmaster> okay, it's your problem if you don't try to get help.
20100512 17:11:19< Unnheulu> irssi doesn't really bug me too much
20100512 17:11:36< Unnheulu> I havn't a problem with it really
20100512 17:11:47< shadowmaster> okay, good.
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20100512 17:14:09< Unnheulu> Is fen<antibleep>drin fabi?
20100512 17:15:26< shadowmaster> fendrin is fabi.
20100512 17:15:32< Unnheulu> Kay
20100512 17:15:37< shadowmaster> no idea about fen<antibleep>drin, I don't see him around.
20100512 17:15:47< Unnheulu> I seem to remember him not being a developer before I left
20100512 17:15:50< Unnheulu> I may be wrong though
20100512 17:16:11< Unnheulu> Bah, one of my shadows died
20100512 17:16:35< shadowmaster> he's a developer for years already.
20100512 17:16:58< shadowmaster> or what do you mean, left?
20100512 17:17:06< Unnheulu> Stopped playing for a while
20100512 17:17:12< Unnheulu> Like 2 or 3 years or something
20100512 17:17:27< shadowmaster> I'm not bored enough to search the ACP logs for him.
20100512 17:17:28< Unnheulu> Two shadows dead
20100512 17:17:33< Unnheulu> Heh
20100512 17:17:46< Unnheulu> That weird guy with the glasses dead, lost
20100512 17:17:53< Unnheulu> *Reverts back to turn 16*
20100512 17:18:07< shadowmaster> okay, October 5th, 2007
20100512 17:18:12< shadowmaster> er, 2008 I mean
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20100512 17:18:42< shadowmaster> I also see your mom in the logs. She was apparently stealing your password.
20100512 17:18:50< Unnheulu> :/
20100512 17:19:10< shadowmaster> that was cheap, agreed
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20100512 17:22:31< Unnheulu> Aww, batty is dead
20100512 17:24:39< Unnheulu> If your chaotic, and playing against chaotic, is night still the best time to fight?
20100512 17:25:48< Woodmouse> I think probably
20100512 17:26:19< Unnheulu> Kay, thanks
20100512 17:26:29< Unnheulu> Ugh, 6xp off a level 3 shadow
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20100512 17:27:09 * Unnheulu used to play on 30%, and gave himself 800gold + +21 a turn against an ai with 100gold and -2 a turn
20100512 17:27:13< Unnheulu> I also used to lose
20100512 17:27:16< Unnheulu> Be back later
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20100512 17:35:34< Woodmouse> Argh people always quit when there's more people...
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20100512 18:41:01< Unnheulu> I is back
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20100512 18:42:03< Unnheulu> :/
20100512 18:42:07< shadowmaster> nope, he left
20100512 18:43:25< Unnheulu> Yay, nightgaunt
20100512 18:43:52< Unnheulu> Wow, that looks aawwessoommee
20100512 18:46:44< Unnheulu> Revenant or deathblade?...
20100512 18:46:53< Unnheulu> I'll decide whilst I'm eating
20100512 18:46:59< shadowmaster> Elvish Shyde.
20100512 18:47:55< Woodmouse> lol
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20100512 18:58:50< Unnheulu> Yay, won that scenario
20100512 19:03:25< Unnheulu> Ghost spam never fails
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20100512 19:07:23< Unnheulu> Wait...
20100512 19:07:30< Unnheulu> Dark Adepts have 2 attacks?
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20100512 19:17:38< Woodmouse> I thought they have 3 :0
20100512 19:17:56< Woodmouse> ohh wait, they don't have melee... I forgot.
20100512 19:18:25< Unnheulu> Did they ever just have one?
20100512 19:20:14< Woodmouse> dunno... I don't remember
20100512 19:20:46 * Unnheulu lols
20100512 19:20:55< Unnheulu> Woodmouse: you know I help develop xmoto?
20100512 19:21:06< Woodmouse> yeah, I remember you do
20100512 19:21:07< Woodmouse> lol
20100512 19:21:15< Unnheulu> On the forums, some people were trying to tell me that xmoto should be closed-source so we no longer have cheaters
20100512 19:21:28< Woodmouse> that's weird O.o
20100512 19:21:53< wooj> That's why there's no cheaters on CS or TF2, cause they're closed source!
20100512 19:23:04< Woodmouse> well, Tony Hawk games have LOTS of cheaters, and as far as I know, they're not open source.
20100512 19:23:27< Woodmouse> The pc versions I mean
20100512 19:23:36< wooj> Woodmouse, I was being facetious/sarcastic, there's tonnes of cheaters on CS and TF2.
20100512 19:23:44< Woodmouse> ok
20100512 19:23:46< Woodmouse> I didn't 
20100512 19:23:48< wooj> being closed source wouldn't prevent cheating :)
20100512 19:23:50< Woodmouse> *I didn't know
20100512 19:24:42< Unnheulu> omg, I want the options to work so bad :(
20100512 19:25:55< wooj> well I played through the tutorial, I sure do hope there are more units, etc, than I saw in there, because charging about with a bunch of archers and fighters will get boring quickly :(
20100512 19:27:22< Unnheulu> Am I the only one who finds it depressing to start a scenario with 10-20 level 1's and end it with 6-7 level 2/3s?
20100512 19:29:36< Blarumyrran> When you have enough gold to recruit some 20 units in the start, it does get depressing
20100512 19:29:53< Blarumyrran> I think the most fun number of units that won't get tedious yet is between 10 and 20
20100512 19:29:55< Woodmouse> well... I don't think it's depressing.
20100512 19:30:01< Woodmouse> I just think it's weird
20100512 19:30:10< Woodmouse> (you could've guessed, xD)
20100512 19:30:11< Blarumyrran> How is it weird
20100512 19:30:17< Woodmouse> well... it's so much
20100512 19:30:25< Woodmouse> but it's not overwhelmingly
20100512 19:30:44< Unnheulu> Wow, I have a spectre
20100512 19:30:46< Woodmouse> it's like... you know, weird because it's not good, but it's not bad because it's not overdoing.
20100512 19:31:10< Blarumyrran> it's not good... it's not bad... it's average?
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20100512 19:32:27< Woodmouse> well... yeah
20100512 19:32:53< Blarumyrran> Average is pretty much the opposite of weird though
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20100512 19:36:26< Unnheulu> Don't the nightgaunts have any animations?
20100512 19:37:22< Blarumyrran> apparently not
20100512 19:37:35< Blarumyrran> As you may find out from data\core\images\units\undead
20100512 19:37:53< Unnheulu> Blarumyrran: your an artist...
20100512 19:37:59< Unnheulu> Why don't you draw them? ;)
20100512 19:38:19< Blarumyrran> I hate doing animations
20100512 19:38:27< Unnheulu> Do you?
20100512 19:38:28< Unnheulu> Oh..:(
20100512 19:38:39< artisticdude> I can sympathize.
20100512 19:39:18< Unnheulu> This sucks
20100512 19:39:21< Blarumyrran> I don't really like the base frame of nightgaunt much either
20100512 19:39:33< Unnheulu> Why can't I kill Drogan's side? -.-
20100512 19:40:05< Blarumyrran> The head is cool, but its facing too south, and the hands don't make sense
20100512 19:40:12< Unnheulu> Heh
20100512 19:40:24< Unnheulu> They make sense to me, but, I'm not an artist
20100512 19:43:16< artisticdude> I think the head really should be changed at some point, but that'll be a long time from now.
20100512 19:43:30< artisticdude> The direction in which it's facing, that is.
20100512 19:44:20< Woodmouse> Yeah... I agee
20100512 19:44:22< Woodmouse> *agree
20100512 19:48:27< Unnheulu> I don't understand what it means, remove the traitor drogan
20100512 19:48:46< Unnheulu> Killing Drogan makes you lose I thought
20100512 19:53:54< Unnheulu> Anyone care to explain?
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20100512 19:56:11< Unnheulu> Bah
20100512 19:56:14< Unnheulu> I need to restart
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20100512 20:07:34< Unnheulu> Nooo
20100512 20:07:42< Unnheulu> I just let a nightgaunt die
20100512 20:08:25< Unnheulu> Wow, draugs look cool
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20100512 20:18:37< Woodmouse> lol... I thought you said "drugs" :0
20100512 20:23:05< Unnheulu> Bah
20100512 20:23:08< Unnheulu> Bonus gold: 2
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20100512 21:43:32< Unnheulu> I hate this scenario
20100512 21:43:36 * Unnheulu gives up, for now
20100512 21:46:59< Unnheulu> I guess I'm not the only one who loves having three monitors+iPod screen next to them
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20100512 23:03:04< Zerovirus> Aethaeryn: How's that RPG addon going?
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20100512 23:04:28< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: No changes since the uploaded 0.5.2 (and even then the changes were days old). Finals from this Thursday through next Thursday. :S
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20100512 23:05:05< Zerovirus> :/ Well it's not like I've been very productive either.
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20100512 23:05:21< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: Still waiting for those Dwarves :P
20100512 23:05:34< Zerovirus> >.>
20100512 23:05:36< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: Though if you really suck at the microlevel, could you at least do vehicles/spaceships? :P
20100512 23:05:45< Zerovirus> I haven't been spriting for a week now.
20100512 23:05:46< Aethaeryn> I can do the units, but the vehicles/spaceships are quite a different style.
20100512 23:05:54< Aethaeryn> Well, I haven't been spriting for over a month.
20100512 23:06:04< Aethaeryn> I'll get back to Thunderstone during my month of summer vacation.
20100512 23:06:38< Zerovirus> Yeah, but a week is huge for me...
20100512 23:06:50< Zerovirus> Damn getting sick.
20100512 23:06:50< Aethaeryn> How so?
20100512 23:06:53< Aethaeryn> ah.
20100512 23:07:06< Zerovirus> I lost a whole weekend >.< So much time gone
20100512 23:07:19< Aethaeryn> I usually lose my weekends. :P
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20100512 23:07:23< Aethaeryn> Damn Wesnoth.
20100512 23:07:25< Zerovirus> I could have done another set of cursors, some units, and maybe more of that webcomic sprite thing.
20100512 23:07:33< Zerovirus> And still had time leftover.
20100512 23:07:56< Valkier> Howdy
20100512 23:08:33< Aethaeryn> hi
20100512 23:08:51< Valkier> How's everyone doing?
20100512 23:09:18< Zerovirus> Fine-o
20100512 23:09:35< Zerovirus> Since we're having a fun festival reminding each other of projects we conveniently forgot, I'm going to say one word: Draug.
20100512 23:09:42< Zerovirus> :D
20100512 23:09:44< Valkier> lol
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20100512 23:10:06< Valkier> You'll see.
20100512 23:10:15< Aethaeryn> How about projects we conveniently never did but should do?
20100512 23:10:23< Aethaeryn> I'm going to say two words: Ancient Lich. :P
20100512 23:10:28< Valkier> ooooo
20100512 23:10:34< Valkier> Is that a unit or something?
20100512 23:10:36< Valkier> Cause I'm in.
20100512 23:11:00< Aethaeryn> Ancient Lich is a very old sprite.
20100512 23:11:09< Aethaeryn> Lich got redone, but no good artist has had the time thus far.
20100512 23:11:16< Valkier> !!!
20100512 23:11:22 * Valkier makes a note
20100512 23:11:35< Zerovirus> What, Valkier Does Spriting II: Revenge Of The Draug?
20100512 23:12:00< Aethaeryn> Skeletal dragon is the only other UD I can think of that hasn't gotten redone in a really long time, even older than ancient lich probably.
20100512 23:12:17< Aethaeryn> But that most likely is dependent on the new fire dragon being done first, since I'd love if for the first time ever the fire and skeletal dragons matched.
20100512 23:12:25< Zerovirus> Hmm... What about mudcrawlers? Boring but necessary. Kinda.
20100512 23:12:36< Valkier> Ancient liche.. Bone dragon...
20100512 23:12:42< Valkier> I am going to love those portraits.
20100512 23:12:50< Zerovirus> The Lich is covered right now
20100512 23:12:57< Aethaeryn> Well, the portraits too?
20100512 23:12:59< Zerovirus> and the Lich is being used defaulting as both normal and ancient lich
20100512 23:13:05< Valkier> Yeah
20100512 23:13:10< Valkier> Well I'm going to do an ancient
20100512 23:13:10< Zerovirus> but I'm sure Wesnoth wouldn't refuse custom portraits for Ancient Lich
20100512 23:13:11< Aethaeryn> Well, what if the Ancient Lich gets resprited to look different from the lich?
20100512 23:13:16< Zerovirus> Too bad
20100512 23:13:22< Zerovirus> Jetryl'll just have to change his WIP sprite
20100512 23:13:25< Aethaeryn> Valkier: Can you sprite or are you solely portrait?
20100512 23:13:36< Zerovirus> Didn't Valk try spriting once?
20100512 23:13:36< Valkier> Oh, I could probably learn to sprite pretty quickly.
20100512 23:13:42< Aethaeryn> Especially the skeletal dragon
20100512 23:13:44< Zerovirus> A bit blurry, well a lot blurry actually.
20100512 23:13:45< Valkier> I tried. Wasn't quite what everyone wanted.
20100512 23:13:47< Aethaeryn> that thing is huge, so it's almost like a portrait :P
20100512 23:13:58< Zerovirus> Proportions? With spriting? 
20100512 23:14:01< Valkier> To be honest, I really don't want to do spriting.
20100512 23:14:05< Zerovirus> ;_;
20100512 23:15:27< Valkier> I am a more traditional style artist. There are plenty of good spriters all ready anyhow.
20100512 23:16:11< Zerovirus> Yup, spriting requires you creatively distort traditional techniques
20100512 23:16:15< Zerovirus> like proportions for one :P
20100512 23:16:47< Aethaeryn> Distort the proportions of a typical dragon skeleton? :S
20100512 23:16:58< Zerovirus> On that note, your updated cultist-guy in your thread is awesome.
20100512 23:17:19< Valkier> Mine?
20100512 23:17:55< Zerovirus> Yup
20100512 23:18:12< Zerovirus> or whatever he is... The guy with the green-veined armor pieces who's licking blood off his hands.
20100512 23:18:14< Valkier> Well thanks. ^_^
20100512 23:18:43< Zerovirus> When you're done I'm spriting him.
20100512 23:18:45< Zerovirus> Just fyi.
20100512 23:19:18< Valkier> lol
20100512 23:19:27< Valkier> Rock on. You'll have to show me then.
20100512 23:19:32< Valkier> Deciding on weapons now.
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20100512 23:21:51< Valkier> I'm thinking a couple of daggers or something
20100512 23:21:56< Valkier> Or a gigantic axe...
20100512 23:23:03< Zerovirus> What about some sort of a stylized dagger-axe-shortsword thing?
20100512 23:23:12< Zerovirus> With enbedded green veins
20100512 23:23:20< Valkier> hmm
20100512 23:23:27< Zerovirus> And curves. Curves terminating in sharp angles. Like hooks.
20100512 23:23:39< Valkier> Sicles?
20100512 23:23:55< Zerovirus> Maybe kinda like that... But not so curved? Sickles would be cool too.
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20100512 23:24:51< Zerovirus> Perhaps several weapons.
20100512 23:24:54< Zerovirus> He seems like the type to be prepared.
20100512 23:24:59< Valkier> hmmm
20100512 23:25:06< Valkier> Oh the possibilities.
20100512 23:25:09< Zerovirus> Or a multitoolweapon thing.
20100512 23:25:18< Zerovirus> Like a bow which has bladed ends.
20100512 23:25:27< Zerovirus> Or a mace which has a sword on the other end.
20100512 23:25:31< Zerovirus> Combined weaponry.
20100512 23:25:55< Valkier> I was considering a gigantic axe with a lance on one end.
20100512 23:26:59< Zerovirus> One of the ideas I once had was a chemical mace.
20100512 23:27:09< Zerovirus> Essentially a mace hollowed out and filled with all sorts of fun toxins.
20100512 23:27:20< Zerovirus> And each tip would be hollowed, so that a successful impact acts kinda like a syringe
20100512 23:27:29< Zerovirus> injecting the toxin into the break a tiny bit.
20100512 23:27:45< Zerovirus> Perhaps, for variety, each tip could have a different toxin.
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20100512 23:28:53< Valkier> Guess I'll just have to play around and see what looks good.
20100512 23:30:39< zookeeper> Zerovirus, that idea isn't exactly new
20100512 23:30:51< Zerovirus> Really?
20100512 23:30:59< zookeeper> yeah, really. i'll dig you a link...
20100512 23:31:33< Zerovirus> I originally came up with it in a modern-setting campaign in which I had to escape an insane asylum :P
20100512 23:31:55< Zerovirus> I told my DM "I assemble a mace out of syringes and that mop" and gave him schematics.
20100512 23:32:15< Zerovirus> It could only be used three times because I could only find three tranqs. Whack, turn, whack, turn, whack.
20100512 23:32:19< Zerovirus> Fun times.
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20100512 23:35:58< zookeeper> well, can't find a good image link. anyway, one 15th century master at arms describes in his treatise a pollaxe with a head filled with powder that makes you blind. so no, that's not new :P
20100512 23:36:59< zookeeper> (it includes the recipe for making the powder too)
20100512 23:37:37< Zerovirus> That's not the same though...
20100512 23:37:42< Zerovirus> It doesn't have syringes :D
20100512 23:37:49< Zerovirus> Syringes make everything more medical and more sciency
20100512 23:39:36< zookeeper> yeah, not syringes, but it's a chemical pollaxe. besides, being an eccentric half a millennia old trick, it gets massive bonus points for coolness.
20100512 23:42:01< Zerovirus> What did the powder do again? Disorientation? Poison?
20100512 23:42:15 * Unnheulu finds it amusing how most of the artists who storm off claim to be professionals 
20100512 23:42:25< zookeeper> where did you lose your backlog?
20100512 23:44:38< Zerovirus> What, are we talking about that thing with Scavenger?
20100512 23:44:48< zookeeper> presumably
20100512 23:45:08< Unnheulu> And some dude beginning with e when I first joined
20100512 23:46:47< Valkier> For anyone who cares, my final sculpture pics are uploaded. Be gentle, it was my first time. :-P
20100512 23:46:50< Zerovirus> I'm rather disappointed that Scavenger has decided to leave, myself.
20100512 23:47:03< Zerovirus> He's an awesome artist, even if his style was a bit cartoony.
20100512 23:47:10< Unnheulu> Zero, me to
20100512 23:47:21< Unnheulu> I found all but the elf great
20100512 23:47:32< Valkier> Scavenger wasn't bad, but his attitude was poor.
20100512 23:48:14< Zerovirus> Yeah, that I can agree on with something of a bad conscience. He sounds like he expected to be praised and focused on, not to be critiqued.
20100512 23:48:19< Zerovirus> Anyways, about the sculpture.
20100512 23:49:00< Zerovirus> I like it! I think the head could be pulled futher into the shadow by removing a further layer, but it's pretty cool.
20100512 23:49:03< Zerovirus> Are you painting it?
20100512 23:49:30< Valkier> I don't know yet.
20100512 23:49:44< Valkier> I'm kinda focused on my undead assissin guy, and something for Wesnoth at the moment.
20100512 23:50:02< Valkier> assassin*
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20100512 23:50:21< Zerovirus> Undead assassin guy? That dude you've been working on for ages now in your thread?
20100512 23:50:25< Unnheulu> The other guy I was on about is ehefer
20100512 23:50:29< Zerovirus> He's an undead? >.>
20100512 23:50:35 * Unnheulu looks at the sculpture
20100512 23:51:09< Valkier> It'll be more clear when I refine my coloring. :-P
20100512 23:51:45< Unnheulu> That is sooo cool
20100512 23:52:03< Zerovirus> ehefer? Huh. I just went and searched for his posts.
20100512 23:52:21< Valkier> The hardest part about that sculpture is the wire rigging inderneath. That was a pain.
20100512 23:52:29< Zerovirus> And I think he has some nice stuff. If I knew how to actually give paintovers I might try. They look like they could be used as campaign-specific portraits.
20100512 23:52:33< Valkier> My initial try was NOT good.
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20100512 23:54:10< Unnheulu> I reMember jetryl telling me I don't know how to draw =]
20100512 23:54:25< Unnheulu> *remember
20100512 23:54:43< Zerovirus> Wow, Ehefer's thread is a hive of nerdrage.
20100512 23:54:52< Zerovirus> My initial tries weren't much good either!
20100512 23:55:00< Zerovirus> I would show you but I don't have them around anymore.
20100512 23:55:27< Unnheulu> Heh
20100512 23:55:38< Unnheulu> I do just simply suck though
20100512 23:55:45< Zerovirus> That goes for 2d art and 3d art btw
20100512 23:56:09< Unnheulu> zero, you saw some of my art for my game
20100512 23:56:15< Unnheulu> Super ugly
20100512 23:56:21< Zerovirus> Eh.
20100512 23:56:29< Zerovirus> I still suggest you try using RPG maker tilesets.
20100512 23:56:36< Zerovirus> They're cheap, available, and work pretty well
20100512 23:56:56< zookeeper> what's annoying about scavenger leaving is that he was like a portrait and a half away from finishing the set well enough to put it in...if he had fixed ethiliel and done one for hylas, the set would have been complete enough since afalas could use a generic one
20100512 23:57:14< Unnheulu> Meh, I'll leave it as ugly art till I have time to improve
20100512 23:57:25< Zerovirus> Hey Valk, you wanna help do a paintover for his stuff?
20100512 23:57:30< Zerovirus> Just one more :P
20100512 23:57:51< Zerovirus> And your styles aren't the same but they'll mesh closely enough, what with both of your lack of outlines in most cases.
20100512 23:58:13< Unnheulu> And as one of the only xmoto devs, which eats up most of my time now
20100512 23:59:31< Gallaecio> Unnheulu: XMoto? I'm having really good times with it at classes, thanks :)
20100512 23:59:33< Zerovirus> Man, someday I am totally going to sit down and lead-artist my ass off for an opensource game.
20100512 23:59:53< Unnheulu> Plus if I use the tilesets it won't be unique
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