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20100515 00:02:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> Why can't I have a fast laptop >.>
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20100515 00:02:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> noy, undead is overpowered!
20100515 00:02:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> noy, northerners are underpowered!
20100515 00:02:24< noy> ...
20100515 00:02:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> noy, rebels are overpowered!
20100515 00:02:29< Unnheulu|Laptop> Sorry...
20100515 00:03:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> Just...ahm...checking your reaction speed
20100515 00:03:55< noy> heh
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20100515 00:12:31 * ancestral just got his tax refund
20100515 00:12:40< ancestral> and got paid
20100515 00:14:34< King_Elendil> nce ;)
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20100515 00:21:17< ancestral> Yeah
20100515 00:21:46< ancestral> I'm debating about buying this: http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/dell-ultrasharp-u2711/4505-3174_7-33913833.html
20100515 00:22:13< ancestral> But only when there's a coupon or discount available that might bring the price down a couple hundred dollars
20100515 00:22:36< King_Elendil> dell? nah-get a mac :p
20100515 00:22:48< Gambit> Dells are awesome.
20100515 00:22:52< Gambit> Fran's a dell.
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20100515 00:23:18< Gambit> ancestral: My advice:
20100515 00:23:21< Gambit> go to dells website
20100515 00:23:27< ancestral> King_Elendil: I have a Mac
20100515 00:23:28< Gambit> find the cheapest model you can that includes a monitor
20100515 00:23:36< Gambit> then go to the customize link
20100515 00:23:36< ancestral> No I'm not buying a computer!
20100515 00:23:43< Gambit> oh.
20100515 00:23:43< ancestral> I'll probably never buy a Dell!
20100515 00:23:45< ancestral> :-P
20100515 00:23:47< Gambit> :o
20100515 00:23:49< ancestral> Just the monitors
20100515 00:23:56< ancestral> Because they make decent monitors
20100515 00:23:57< Gambit> Once you've gone dell you can't go back.
20100515 00:24:08< ancestral> Gambit: That doesn't even rhyme!
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20100515 00:24:31< Gambit> You'll be swell if you go dell.
20100515 00:24:39< ancestral> s/Dell/Mac in that sentence and you have a winner
20100515 00:24:47< ancestral> Ah the swell/dell that works
20100515 00:24:56< Gambit> Once you've gone mac you can't go back.
20100515 00:25:00< Gambit> *+ because you'll be broke
20100515 00:25:07< Gambit> and disenfranchised with computers.
20100515 00:25:14< cph> heheh
20100515 00:25:15< ancestral> Unless you can procure a discount from me…
20100515 00:25:19< ancestral> Wait, did I say that out loud?
20100515 00:25:19< Gambit> You'll have false impressions that there's nothing to do with computers.
20100515 00:26:57< ancestral> You'll end up in hell when you…
20100515 00:28:29< Gambit> don't buy a dell.
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20100515 00:29:01< ancestral> Anyone here ever play http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realmz ?
20100515 00:33:34< Gambit> No
20100515 00:33:42< King_Elendil> no
20100515 00:34:29< ancestral> Shame!
20100515 00:34:33< ancestral> It's an oldie
20100515 00:34:38< ancestral> But fun if you like RPGs
20100515 00:34:51< ancestral> Kinda hard to run the Mac version since it's old as all get go
20100515 00:35:06< ancestral> The Windows version I think does work with some tinkering
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20100515 00:36:11< Gambit> I can't even think about other video games right now.
20100515 00:36:29< King_Elendil> why not?
20100515 00:36:31 * Gambit must have Just Cause 2
20100515 00:36:51< ancestral> King_Elendil: Have you downloaded Portal yet?
20100515 00:37:54< Hulavuta> Portal
20100515 00:37:55< ancestral> Free Portal
20100515 00:37:56< Hulavuta> I love Portal
20100515 00:38:34< Gambit> *legal* free portal
20100515 00:38:46< King_Elendil> I have a PPC, and it only works (at least the version I got) on Intel
20100515 00:38:48< Hulavuta> I got it illegally XD
20100515 00:38:53< ancestral> It's free now
20100515 00:39:06< Hulavuta> I know
20100515 00:39:06< ancestral> Wait, did we have this discussion on the forums?
20100515 00:39:07< ancestral> We did
20100515 00:39:08< ancestral> :-P
20100515 00:39:10< Hulavuta> Yeah we did
20100515 00:39:14< ancestral> Haha
20100515 00:39:15< Hulavuta> I'm too lazy to download it
20100515 00:39:18< ancestral> That's fine
20100515 00:39:20< Hulavuta> SInce I already hav  it
20100515 00:39:25< Hulavuta> I love flushing the toilet
20100515 00:39:26< Hulavuta> XD
20100515 00:39:26< ancestral> Portal 2 will be out soon enough (later this year)
20100515 00:39:32< Hulavuta> toilet humour...
20100515 00:40:14< Hulavuta> Speaking of which...
20100515 00:40:15< Hulavuta> brb
20100515 00:42:30< Hulavuta> back
20100515 00:43:18< Gambit> :\
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20100515 00:46:39< Hulavuta> So,
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20100515 00:48:48< Zerovirus> Oh hey, lots of people that I actually know here today.
20100515 00:48:53< Ineptile> ZERO!!!! HAHAHAHA
20100515 00:49:42< Zerovirus> Huh?
20100515 00:49:55< King_Elendil> hulavuta
20100515 00:50:05< King_Elendil> Hi zero
20100515 00:50:14< Zerovirus> What's with the maniacal laughter?
20100515 00:50:19< Zerovirus> And lack of sprites in Workshop today?
20100515 00:51:23< Zerovirus> Okay, anyways. Anyone up for a match in 1.8 MP?
20100515 00:51:41< King_Elendil> to busy :(
20100515 00:55:02< Ineptile> I am
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20100515 00:55:42< Zerovirus> Uhh... Already observing Aeth's game. In a sec, maybe.
20100515 00:56:20< Zerovirus> Ah whatever, let's go. Forget Aeth's game, it's some weird era I've never seen before anyways.
20100515 00:57:23< Zerovirus> Ineptile: Making the game now.
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20100515 00:58:45< Ineptile> K
20100515 00:59:21< Ineptile> (6:50:20 PM) Zerovirus: And lack of sprites in Workshop today? Were you talking to me/
20100515 00:59:28< Zerovirus> Just in general.
20100515 00:59:34< Zerovirus> Though I am partially to blame as well.
20100515 00:59:43< ancestral> Anyone play/own Neverwinter Nights? (not 2 but 1)
20100515 01:00:24< King_Elendil> nope
20100515 01:02:27< Ineptile> For some reason, Pidgin is no longer displaying noises when a new message appears
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20100515 01:05:35< Vornicus> Displaying noises?
20100515 01:07:29< Ineptile> Making noise, whatever...
20100515 01:12:50 * Valkier dies
20100515 01:13:18 * Ineptile revived Valkier
20100515 01:13:45< Valkier> Hurray!
20100515 01:13:58< Ineptile> Worship me now
20100515 01:14:09< Valkier> pfft
20100515 01:14:36< Valkier> You first. I'm learning a new rendering method that looks damn sexy.
20100515 01:14:48< Valkier> http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5683/kanthax.jpg
20100515 01:15:25< Ineptile> wut
20100515 01:15:54< Valkier> no u
20100515 01:16:15< Ineptile> FUCK!
20100515 01:16:34< Valkier> Maybe later.
20100515 01:16:47< Ineptile> Ewww no
20100515 01:16:51< Ineptile> I was just testing the censors
20100515 01:16:55< Ineptile> THe non existant censors
20100515 01:16:55< Valkier> Right now, I am thrilled to death with what I have learned today.
20100515 01:17:13< Ineptile> Ah, finally in the sex ed unit?
20100515 01:17:28< Valkier> Sire
20100515 01:17:31< Valkier> Sure*
20100515 01:18:07< Ineptile> lol
20100515 01:18:51< Zerovirus> Wow you guys were talking?
20100515 01:18:54< Zerovirus> And you didn't invite me?
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20100515 01:19:19< Zerovirus> Okay, so there's a breastplate and two unidentified parts below that.
20100515 01:19:54< Ineptile> gonna play Portal again now
20100515 01:20:10< ancestral> Free Portal free Portal free
20100515 01:21:41< Valkier> Yup. That's my test render.
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20100515 01:25:11< Zerovirus> I can't tell if it's quite female or not. >.>
20100515 01:25:21< Zerovirus> okay the quite doesn't really go there but too bad.
20100515 01:25:40< Valkier> Well there's not much there.
20100515 01:25:57< Soul_keeper> is ThoT forbidden forest broken ?
20100515 01:26:17< Zerovirus> So enlighten me, what is this new method?
20100515 01:26:21< Soul_keeper> I get to the end and he says  "rally on me, we've got better things to do than fight elves"
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20100515 01:27:13< Soul_keeper> ok ic had to put one of the other units on the finish post
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20100515 01:51:04< Ineptile>  Done playing Portal
20100515 01:51:12< Ineptile> Zero wanna play a Co-Op campaign?
20100515 01:52:53< Ineptile> Zero?
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20100515 02:41:33< PetePorty> VACATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!
20100515 02:41:36< PetePorty> hi btw
20100515 02:42:41< mrEPIC> Hello
20100515 02:45:22< King_Elendil> hello
20100515 02:45:42< Zerovirus> Hello.
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20100515 02:49:57< iElendil> hello all :)
20100515 02:50:47< PetePorty> Hello
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20100515 03:00:47< ancestral> Hi
20100515 03:01:34< mrEPIC> Hi
20100515 03:10:01< Valkier> Hi
20100515 03:11:14< Zerovirus> Hi
20100515 03:11:21< Zerovirus> Even though he's not here anymore :P
20100515 03:13:09< Valkier> So cruel...
20100515 03:15:32< Valkier> Oh well. Back to the arting with me.
20100515 03:15:55< mrEPIC> oh Hi
20100515 03:16:09< mrEPIC> that's all that we've said for the past 20 minutes
20100515 03:16:29< Valkier> Hmm
20100515 03:16:34< Valkier> We should discuss stuff.
20100515 03:16:38< Zerovirus> Like art
20100515 03:16:41< Zerovirus> I'm artin' too :P
20100515 03:16:43< Valkier> Like why we don't have a ventrillo channel.
20100515 03:16:47< Valkier> Or... that.
20100515 03:17:02< Valkier> What are you working on, Zero?
20100515 03:17:48< Zerovirus> Sprites
20100515 03:17:55< Valkier> ahh
20100515 03:17:57< Zerovirus> More golden airconditioner robots
20100515 03:18:03< Zerovirus> so sick of this stupid lineart
20100515 03:18:03< Valkier> Well my cultist guy is done for all intents and purposes.
20100515 03:18:07< Zerovirus> been working on it for 3 hours
20100515 03:18:18< Zerovirus> Did you add a weapon?
20100515 03:18:21< Valkier> nah
20100515 03:18:27< Valkier> He's kind of a failure actually.
20100515 03:18:39< Valkier> But I did learn some things from him.
20100515 03:19:02< bp0> eastern invasion sucks
20100515 03:19:16< Valkier> We all gotta deal with China some day.
20100515 03:19:42< Zerovirus> I'm a frontal scout deployed to report back on America :P
20100515 03:20:00< Valkier> Day 1: America ate a cheeseburger
20100515 03:20:05< Valkier> Day 2: More of the same.
20100515 03:20:32< ancestral> Day 3: Hunt for a job
20100515 03:20:59< Zerovirus> Day 4: Decide to take up spriting
20100515 03:21:09< Zerovirus> Day 5: Need food now, ate laptop
20100515 03:21:20< Valkier> My laptop died. :-(
20100515 03:21:28< Zerovirus> Day 6: America sucks, there's nothing to do, go back to china :P
20100515 03:21:34< Zerovirus> It did?
20100515 03:21:40< Valkier> A couple months back.
20100515 03:21:53< Valkier> HP refused to fix it because they didn't put a sticker with a serial code on it too.
20100515 03:22:10< Zerovirus> damn corporate interests leeching mah artistz
20100515 03:22:32< Valkier> Well, I'm going to try to get in to the Summer of Art scholarship.
20100515 03:22:40< Valkier> I guess all proceeds will go towards a macbook.
20100515 03:22:50< ancestral> Valkier: Let me know
20100515 03:22:54< ancestral> Oh
20100515 03:23:00< ancestral> Theoretically speaking ;-)
20100515 03:23:05< Valkier> ?
20100515 03:23:10< ancestral> Or not
20100515 03:23:19< Valkier> What are you saying? 0_0
20100515 03:23:45< Zerovirus> You should totally get Summer of Art if that happens this year
20100515 03:23:52< Valkier> Ahh
20100515 03:23:57< Valkier> Jetrel said they want to do it.
20100515 03:24:07< Valkier> So I'd say there's a good chance of it happening.
20100515 03:29:06< Kenpachi> Zero, come to Australia, it's heaps better than the US, and closer to China
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20100515 03:29:48< Valkier> Yes, Australia. Founded by criminals of England.
20100515 03:31:14< Kenpachi> till the gold rush happened
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20100515 03:32:54< iElendil> zerovirus, you are still here :)
20100515 03:34:49< iElendil> are you?
20100515 03:35:38< Valkier> He was a moment ago.
20100515 03:35:41< Valkier> But he's spriting.
20100515 03:36:39< iElendil> oh, then I can chat with a different amazing artist; how are you?
20100515 03:37:34< Valkier> Extremely hungry.
20100515 03:38:10< iElendil> lol
20100515 03:38:14< Valkier> You?
20100515 03:38:31< iElendil> I'm fine
20100515 03:39:09< Valkier> Cool
20100515 03:39:23< iElendil> tired a little, but fine
20100515 03:40:12< iElendil> any interesting WsIP?
20100515 03:41:48< Zerovirus> Actually I was eating dinner
20100515 03:41:55< Valkier> Well, I figured out a new way to paint on photoshop which is giving me results 100% better than how I normally do things.
20100515 03:42:02-!- ancestral is now known as ancestral|making
20100515 03:42:05< Zerovirus> What is this way, oh lord of nonlinear portraits?
20100515 03:42:19< iElendil> lol Hi
20100515 03:42:30-!- ancestral|making is now known as ancestral|tacos
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20100515 03:42:49< King_Elendil> now I'm here :)
20100515 03:43:24< Zerovirus> C'mon valk, share your trade secrets :P
20100515 03:43:26< Valkier> Different brushes and a different approach to lighting.
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20100515 03:56:59< Gambit> wesbot: hug Zerovirus
20100515 03:57:07< Gambit> Fine don't.
20100515 03:57:12 * Gambit slaps wesbot.
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20100515 03:57:18< Zerovirus> Finally you say something.
20100515 03:57:49< Gambit> ancestral tacos? Now are those tacos that our ancesters ate, or the ancesters of the tacos we're eating?
20100515 03:58:20< Valkier> Both!
20100515 03:58:35< Gambit> Fascinating.
20100515 03:58:40< King_Elendil> lol
20100515 03:59:46< Valkier> They went Benjamin Button on us.
20100515 03:59:53< Gambit> I mean, for that to be possible, each taco in the line would have had to reproduce _before_ getting eaten.
20100515 04:00:44< Valkier> And they have.
20100515 04:00:52< Valkier> You best be respecting.
20100515 04:01:07< Zerovirus> It's the farm system
20100515 04:01:10< Zerovirus> people farm tacos
20100515 04:01:16< Zerovirus> We have domesticated the wild Taco
20100515 04:01:20< Zerovirus> also known as the Burrito
20100515 04:01:26< Valkier> Zero! Do you have AIM or anything?
20100515 04:01:55< King_Elendil> did you miss: ancestral is now known as member:ancestral%7Cmakingmember:ancestral%7Cmakingmember:ancestral%7Cmaking.ancestral|making is now known as member:ancestral%7Ctacosmember:ancestral%7Ctacosmember:ancestral%7Ctacos.?
20100515 04:02:07< Gambit> ewww coloration
20100515 04:02:08< Zerovirus> Aaah coding talk
20100515 04:02:11< King_Elendil> nvm, that didn't work :/
20100515 04:02:12< Zerovirus> make it go awaaayyyyy
20100515 04:02:28< Zerovirus> Valkier: I have MSN.
20100515 04:02:34< Zerovirus> Also, everything you say sounds regal for some reason:P
20100515 04:02:40< Zerovirus>  Probably just your username or something.
20100515 04:03:25< King_Elendil> wesbot: hug Gambit
20100515 04:03:45< King_Elendil> wesbot: hug Gambit.
20100515 04:03:54< King_Elendil> that is lame :/
20100515 04:04:05< Valkier> Wait, everything I say sounds regal?
20100515 04:04:10 * Valkier is confused
20100515 04:04:13< Zerovirus> At least the way I read it :P
20100515 04:04:18< Zerovirus> My mind applies a regal tone
20100515 04:04:21< Zerovirus> For some reason.
20100515 04:04:26< Valkier> Huh. Well that works.
20100515 04:04:29< Zerovirus> Probably due to my intrinsic respect for your art or something.
20100515 04:04:35< Valkier> Weirdo.
20100515 04:04:39< King_Elendil> lol
20100515 04:04:42< Valkier> I keep telling you all I suck, but nobody listens.
20100515 04:04:44 * Zerovirus is slightly dejected
20100515 04:04:54< Zerovirus> You don't suck as much as I do at portraits
20100515 04:04:57< Zerovirus> my heads are always tiny
20100515 04:05:04< Valkier> I do like big heads.
20100515 04:05:07< Zerovirus> I've tried drawing portraits but I haven't posted a single one
20100515 04:05:08< Valkier> With gigantic...
20100515 04:05:09< Gambit> shadowmaster sounds like a new yorker in my head.
20100515 04:05:17< Gambit> Zerovirus like... god
20100515 04:05:18< Valkier> You should!
20100515 04:05:30< Zerovirus> Gambit, you sound like Luffy in my head. I don't even know what he sounds like but you'd sound like that.
20100515 04:05:30< Valkier> Cause then I can critique them and you can learn!
20100515 04:05:31< Gambit> PetePorty like a chipmunk on helium
20100515 04:06:11< King_Elendil> lol
20100515 04:06:16< Zerovirus> Well if it makes a difference Aethaeryn sounds to me like a certain childhood friend who I was forced to leave behind when we moved from one state to another and who I still miss today.
20100515 04:06:20< Zerovirus> Strange associations, eh?
20100515 04:06:38< Zerovirus> I also associate Bach's Invention No.3 with Westwood's Red Alert series for no good reason.
20100515 04:06:47< Valkier> Hmm
20100515 04:07:04< Valkier> My noodles! Nooooo!
20100515 04:07:13< Zerovirus> Did you spill them?
20100515 04:07:18< Valkier> nah
20100515 04:07:25 * Zerovirus wants noodles now... ._.
20100515 04:07:26< Valkier> Just remembered them though.
20100515 04:07:33< Zerovirus> lol, are they overcooked or what?
20100515 04:07:33< Valkier> I should probably go get them..
20100515 04:07:37< Valkier> Can water catch on fire?
20100515 04:07:42< Zerovirus> Lol
20100515 04:07:52< Zerovirus> Speaking of which, have you ever cooked noodles so long they turned into mush?
20100515 04:07:58< Zerovirus> I accidentally left my noodles on the stove overnight once
20100515 04:08:12< Zerovirus> They apparently mushed first, then all the water dried up and I ended up with flour crust
20100515 04:08:20< Zerovirus> I just added more water. Porridge is delicious :D
20100515 04:08:24< Gambit> Every time I hear Sweet Home Alabama I think of chicken.
20100515 04:08:27< Gambit> But I know why that is.
20100515 04:08:37< Gambit> Silly KFC and their brilliant advertising.
20100515 04:08:40< Zerovirus> Alabama Fried Chicken?
20100515 04:08:41< Zerovirus> What?
20100515 04:09:36< Valkier> Double Downs are disgusting.
20100515 04:09:57< King_Elendil> probably gonna lose connection very soon...
20100515 04:10:50< Zerovirus> What's Double Downs?
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20100515 04:17:36< Valkier> Double Downs are bacon cheese sandwiches from KFC.
20100515 04:17:43< Valkier> But instead of buns, they have two pieces of fried chicken.
20100515 04:17:49< Valkier> It's like eating deep fried salt.
20100515 04:18:11< Zerovirus> I.... See.
20100515 04:18:33< Zerovirus> Also, I now want to try deep fried salt if only for novelty.
20100515 04:18:57< Valkier> Well apparently Double Downs have half your recommended daily intake of sodium.
20100515 04:19:51< Zerovirus> Uhhh...
20100515 04:19:56< Zerovirus> Quadruple Down.
20100515 04:20:01< Zerovirus> there, problem solved
20100515 04:20:51< Valkier> I'm not sure sodium intake is something you should strive for.
20100515 04:30:59< Valkier> On snap!
20100515 04:31:03< Valkier> Saw what you did to Tet, Zero.
20100515 04:33:15< Zerovirus> What did I do?
20100515 04:34:22< Aethaeryn> everything
20100515 04:34:45< Valkier> "Tet, I suggest you get your own thread. Chances are I'll probably just overshadow you here."
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20100515 04:34:57< Zerovirus> Well, it's true, isn't it?
20100515 04:35:05< Valkier> Oh yeah, absolutely.
20100515 04:35:08< Valkier> But it was funny.
20100515 04:35:21< Valkier> Wait.. now there's two ancestrals?
20100515 04:35:34< Zerovirus> Oh, no. That happened to me once too.
20100515 04:35:41< Zerovirus> I was messing around with IRC on my iphone.
20100515 04:41:18< Valkier> Eww. iPhone.
20100515 04:41:31< Zerovirus> Hmm?
20100515 04:41:40< Valkier> I used to sell Sprint.
20100515 04:41:43< Valkier> Natural reaction.
20100515 04:43:36< Zerovirus> I see.
20100515 04:45:23< ancestral> Valkier: Haha
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20100515 05:41:03< iElendil> can someone post a link, I just need it to open my in-client browser
20100515 05:42:26< Valkier> http://www.wesnoth.org
20100515 05:42:46< iElendil> thanks
20100515 05:42:50< Valkier> No problem.
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20100515 06:21:36< Valkier> Ancestral, lemme know when you're around. Wanted to ask you something.
20100515 06:21:44< Valkier> Otherwise I'll just PM you later.
20100515 06:22:15< ancestral> I'm here
20100515 06:22:17< ancestral> Go ahead :)
20100515 06:24:45< Valkier> Took it to private.
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20100515 06:45:52< Soul_keeper> that campaign makes me angry
20100515 06:45:57< Valkier> ?
20100515 06:46:05< Soul_keeper> ThoT 
20100515 06:46:23< Soul_keeper> get to the end with those hidden ghost caves
20100515 06:46:39< Soul_keeper> I didn't know what was in there so I only sent like 4 guys in
20100515 06:47:03< Soul_keeper> get all the way up to the boss, and realize I don't have enough to defeat him
20100515 06:47:15< Soul_keeper> then he starts recruiting like mad, and i'm running backwards
20100515 06:47:35< Soul_keeper> takes like 10 turns to get more troops in there
20100515 06:47:35< Valkier> Hmmm
20100515 06:47:51< Soul_keeper> no more of that
20100515 06:48:01< Valkier> Go super saiyan.
20100515 06:48:08< Soul_keeper> ghosts coming thru walls and everything
20100515 06:48:35< Soul_keeper> way too addicting
20100515 06:48:49< Soul_keeper> somehow I lost 40 saved turns :(
20100515 06:49:20< Valkier> lol
20100515 06:50:06< Soul_keeper> so it's either lose all my lvl3 guys that I spent the last 8hrs making,  or start over 4hrs ago
20100515 06:51:04< Soul_keeper> guess I'll sleep instead, later
20100515 06:55:05< Valkier> Later
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20100515 08:48:51< milki> hi, i have arch linux, and none of the buttons work after launching wesnoth
20100515 08:48:58< milki> i was told this was fixed for arch
20100515 08:49:12< milki> i have wesnoth-1.8.1-1
20100515 08:50:42< ancestral> milki: try #wesnoth-dev but also look at the forums, if you haven't yet
20100515 08:51:12< milki> k
20100515 08:53:20< milki> ok...
20100515 08:53:24< milki> thats a stupid hack
20100515 08:53:29< milki> switch to fullscreen...
20100515 08:53:48< milki> well, now that i can play, i know im not getting anymore sleep tonight...
20100515 08:53:54< ancestral> Haha
20100515 08:54:15< ancestral> milki: Hopefully someone has already submitted a bug report at gna.org but if not, feel free to
20100515 08:54:33< ancestral> http://bugs.wesnoth.org will bring you there. It's probably already submitted
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20100515 08:57:15< milki> ya
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20100515 08:57:22< milki> fix is to downgrade libsdl
20100515 08:57:23< milki> >.>
20100515 08:58:32< milki> fun
20100515 08:58:35< milki> k, thanks
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20100515 09:03:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hi
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20100515 09:03:58< Valkier> Howdy
20100515 09:04:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> G'morning
20100515 09:04:57< sevis> G'morning indeed.
20100515 09:05:01 * Unnheulu|Laptop heads back to implementing yaml
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20100515 09:08:15< Valkier> 3 AM here!
20100515 09:08:17< Valkier> All the fun!
20100515 09:08:47< ancestral> What are you up to?
20100515 09:08:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> Valkier, not tired?
20100515 09:09:07< ancestral> I'm trying to play some Civ IV but my friend is having connection issues…
20100515 09:09:24 * Unnheulu|Laptop played loads of Civ IV a while back
20100515 09:09:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> Kinda got dragged back to the Stronghold x group though
20100515 09:10:07< ancestral> Unnheulu|Laptop: I think you mentioned that before, having played some Civ
20100515 09:10:19< ancestral> Anyone here playing SC2 beta?
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20100515 09:10:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> SC2?
20100515 09:10:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> Probably not
20100515 09:10:40< Valkier> Pfft
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20100515 09:10:43< Valkier> I have no time for games.
20100515 09:10:46< Valkier> I must draw!
20100515 09:10:52< ancestral> Thatta boy
20100515 09:11:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ah, Starcraft, never played any of them >.>
20100515 09:11:08< Valkier> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=40856&mode=view
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20100515 09:11:22< ancestral> Very, very cool
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20100515 09:11:43< ancestral> Don't know if that's to be male or female, but there is a lack of female knights…
20100515 09:11:52< Valkier> lol
20100515 09:11:54< Valkier> We'll see.
20100515 09:11:59< Valkier> Could go either way really.
20100515 09:12:06< ancestral> Haha
20100515 09:12:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> Wow
20100515 09:12:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> Just wow
20100515 09:12:45< Valkier> Always a good reaction.
20100515 09:13:15< ancestral> Valkier: You'll share your technique when you're done, right? ;-)
20100515 09:13:18< Valkier> My wesnoth portraits will rock after I perfect this. ^_^
20100515 09:13:20< Valkier> lol
20100515 09:13:23< Valkier> Sure. Why not?
20100515 09:14:10< Valkier> In case anyone was wondering, I do have a body outline underneath this thing. I just hide it when I post it.
20100515 09:14:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> Valkier, you'd kill yourself laughing if you saw my art ._.
20100515 09:14:35< Valkier> Nah. I'd just tell you how to make it better. ;-)
20100515 09:14:42< Valkier> I want to me an art professor after all.
20100515 09:14:44< ancestral> Make your technique CC-By-3.0
20100515 09:14:45< ancestral> :-P
20100515 09:14:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> That might be difficult^^
20100515 09:15:02< Valkier> CC-By-3.0?
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20100515 09:15:29< Unnheulu|Laptop> http://www.jonespenarth.me.uk/~ieuan/Screenshot-Amazolia-6.png
20100515 09:15:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ok then, how can that be improved xP
20100515 09:15:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> (Don't bother replying, I have an artist helping me out now)
20100515 09:15:58< ancestral> Haha
20100515 09:16:29< ancestral> You know what though? You have to start from somewhere
20100515 09:16:36< ancestral> You've seen Wesnoth before the 1.0 days, right?
20100515 09:16:51< Valkier> I think I've seen some of those portraits.
20100515 09:16:51< ancestral> shadowmaster has an excellent postmortem or what-have-you
20100515 09:16:56< Valkier> Very poorly drawn anime.
20100515 09:16:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> I've tried 0.1, 0.2 and 0.3 thanks to shadowmaster
20100515 09:17:21< Unnheulu|Laptop> Valkier, Jason Lutes style you mean?
20100515 09:17:24< ancestral> Well, it was whatever was available
20100515 09:17:49< ancestral> And people really hadn't hammered down the style and rules of how art should be drawn
20100515 09:18:42< Valkier> Jason Lutes.. Did he do the intro images?
20100515 09:19:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> Dunno
20100515 09:19:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> I think just portraits
20100515 09:19:16< Valkier> Hmm
20100515 09:19:25< Valkier> Well whoever did the anime type stuff for the intro is all right.
20100515 09:19:31< Valkier> Not perfect, but pretty good.
20100515 09:19:42< Valkier> Some of the old portraits I've seen however..
20100515 09:19:44 * Valkier shivers
20100515 09:21:03< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hmm, for an old game I was making, my parser was very similar to yaml, I should've just used that instead
20100515 09:22:23< ancestral> bbl
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20100515 09:24:03< zookeeper> Valkier, the lutes style: the cartoony ones which usually just showed the head and shoulders
20100515 09:24:59< Valkier> Ahh
20100515 09:25:06< Valkier> May have seen some.
20100515 09:25:15< Valkier> I don't actually play the campaign a whole lot I'm afraid.
20100515 09:25:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> Try Liberty, of the South Guard
20100515 09:25:23< zookeeper> the liberty and TSG portraits are still in that style
20100515 09:25:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> *or
20100515 09:25:36< Valkier> I originally got into Wesnoth playing multiplayer with my brother and a couple friends.
20100515 09:26:12 * Unnheulu|Laptop has a brother begging him to code something in 3d
20100515 09:26:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> I've told him no too many times -.-
20100515 09:27:15< Valkier> lol
20100515 09:29:22< Valkier> Holy crap..
20100515 09:29:28< Valkier> I've been working on this for 3 hours now.
20100515 09:29:31< Valkier> I need a break.
20100515 09:29:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> Wesnoth should have unit called "nuclear bomb"
20100515 09:29:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> It can fire from one side of the screen to the other, and it kills everyone around it for 20hexes
20100515 09:30:20< Unnheulu|Laptop> And its only available to players from, Iran, North Korea, America...I stop now
20100515 09:30:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> I think I should have breakfast, c'ya guys
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20100515 09:34:38< Valkier> That was quick.
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20100515 09:36:34< ancestral> Well
20100515 09:36:46< ancestral> Blueblaze keeps disconnecting at everything he's playing
20100515 09:37:08< Valkier> Suckage
20100515 09:37:13< ancestral> We think the bad weather may have caused the phone lines to go bad
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20100515 09:37:21< Valkier> Possibly
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20100515 09:39:22< Valkier> Ugh. I need to put photoshop away. Been staring at it all day.
20100515 09:39:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> ancestral, where d'ya live for that to affect it?
20100515 09:39:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> Surely not america?
20100515 09:40:04< ancestral> Well it's not affecting me, it's affecting Blueblaze
20100515 09:40:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> And he's American
20100515 09:40:19< ancestral> I live in Minneapolis; he lives somewhere else in the U.S
20100515 09:40:29< ancestral> He can divulge that if he wants
20100515 09:40:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> I thought America was like, really urbanised and stuff
20100515 09:41:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> Aka, not like North Scotland or North Wales
20100515 09:41:23< Valkier> Depends where you go.
20100515 09:41:30< Valkier> Some cities and towns are urbanized and nice.
20100515 09:41:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hmm
20100515 09:41:44< Valkier> Others... Well I don't want down some streets for fear of being shot.
20100515 09:41:52< Valkier> Walk down*
20100515 09:41:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> Are any like Isle of Lewis villages? i.e. a main road+one street
20100515 09:42:57< Valkier> I guess?
20100515 09:43:29< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ok, I looked it up on google maps
20100515 09:43:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> It has 3 streets and a main road now
20100515 09:43:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> And its called callanish not calanais :/
20100515 09:44:11< Valkier> I have some small towns around me.
20100515 09:44:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> Define small
20100515 09:44:40< Valkier> About like what you just described.
20100515 09:44:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ah
20100515 09:44:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> A village?
20100515 09:44:58< Valkier> Pretty much
20100515 09:45:39< Valkier> I guess I should just make this a female knight...
20100515 09:47:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> America is very flat though, isn't it
20100515 09:47:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> Which means villages and towns and stuff can be pretty huge
20100515 09:48:25< Valkier> Can be, yes.
20100515 09:50:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> I thought I just saw somewhere called parthyn in google maps...it was just penylan^^
20100515 09:53:11< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hmm, that's not good...
20100515 09:53:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> On google streetview, they have a photo of all the kids walking out of school
20100515 09:58:10< Blueblaze> I live in the 4th biggest city in America
20100515 09:58:21< Blueblaze> within the metro area
20100515 09:59:16< Blueblaze> within the city limits actually
20100515 09:59:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> http://www.jonespenarth.me.uk/~rabbits_are_forever/dev/graphics/portraits/Ieuan_Jones/rangercolour2.png
20100515 09:59:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> That's how much I suck at art :)
20100515 10:01:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> Wow, I was 11 when I was coding that game
20100515 10:04:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> Valkier, so, how can the be improved xP
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20100515 10:08:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> Bah, I can't crib any of the art from that :(
20100515 10:11:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> That game was totally based on wesnoth, there is no way it couldn't've been
20100515 10:14:25 * Unnheulu|Laptop takes back what he said about nothing being steallable
20100515 10:14:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> I now have 8more units =]
20100515 10:16:08< Valkier> Eh?
20100515 10:16:49< Unnheulu|Laptop> For my game
20100515 10:17:20< Unnheulu|Laptop> I've been stealing art from my old game (which had pretty much the same team)
20100515 10:18:32< Unnheulu|Laptop> But, after one member of the team moved to America, we all kinda forgot about it
20100515 10:18:49< Unnheulu|Laptop> I've just picked up the code again, and pretty much rewritten it all
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20100515 10:25:36< Valkier> I could never figure out coding.
20100515 10:25:46< Valkier> Just as well. More time for drawing then.
20100515 10:26:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> HEh
20100515 10:26:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> *heh
20100515 10:26:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> Doing art reduces time I can spend coding, which is why I'm trying to crib some right now
20100515 10:26:55< Valkier> I want to keep drawing so badly tonight but I'm too tired and I know it.
20100515 10:27:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> Valkier, what'd'ya think of my failed portrait then :P
20100515 10:28:09< Valkier> Look at references and try again!
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20100515 10:28:31 * Unnheulu|Laptop smirks
20100515 10:37:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> http://www.jonespenarth.me.uk/~ieuan/Amazolia-11.png
20100515 10:40:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> Valkier, omg...did you draw the skeleton line?
20100515 10:40:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> I just thought, its your style & saw kitties post at the start ofyour thread
20100515 10:41:46< Valkier> Yeah
20100515 10:41:48< Valkier> Those are mine
20100515 10:42:08< Unnheulu|Laptop> Omg they are soo cool
20100515 10:42:13< Valkier> lol. thanks.
20100515 10:42:20< Valkier> Gonna be doing the rest of them for summer of art.
20100515 10:42:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> It was totally worth levelling up my skellies to see them
20100515 10:42:29< Valkier> hah!
20100515 10:42:37< Valkier> Well I need to do the draug, and then the archer line.
20100515 10:42:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> Although, I only took the one path, maybe I should check out the other
20100515 10:42:57< Valkier> lol
20100515 10:43:28< Valkier> Could just look at my thread and see them without all the garbage.
20100515 10:44:13< Unnheulu|Laptop> Where is this thread?
20100515 10:44:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> In contributions?
20100515 10:45:28< Valkier> Lemme see if I can find it.
20100515 10:46:37< Valkier> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26022
20100515 10:47:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> Thanks
20100515 10:47:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> Cool that you gave the level 1 2 and 3 a different image
20100515 10:47:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> Most units share for 2 and 3
20100515 10:47:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> Did you do the ghosts to?
20100515 10:47:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> They're cool
20100515 10:47:45< Valkier> lvl 3 doesn't have one. yet.
20100515 10:48:05< Valkier> No. Ghosts were Kitty's I think.
20100515 10:48:08< Valkier> Not positive though.
20100515 10:48:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ok
20100515 10:48:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> Haven't you drawn a level 3?
20100515 10:48:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> Meh
20100515 10:48:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> Pllleeeeaaaase draw one :P
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20100515 11:01:41< Valkier> I will. :-P
20100515 11:01:52< Valkier> I am going to finish the Draug sometime soon.
20100515 11:03:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> You could be uber-cool and give every unit a level 3 image :P
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20100515 11:27:03< Ivanovic> moin
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20100515 12:41:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> Anyone here a fan of rts games?
20100515 12:41:44< sevis> I sorta am, altough only a little.
20100515 12:41:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> I is making one :)
20100515 12:42:02< sevis> although*. It'll run on Linux, right?
20100515 12:42:08< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ofc
20100515 12:42:29< Unnheulu|Laptop> It's in python, cause when I started it was the only language I knew
20100515 12:42:29< sevis> Nice. Is it the one that has 23 revisions?
20100515 12:42:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> 27 or 28
20100515 12:42:39< Unnheulu|Laptop> 27
20100515 12:43:04< sevis> Still small enough. Do you mind if I take a look at the code?
20100515 12:43:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> Plus like 3weeks before I set up svn
20100515 12:43:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> Why? :P
20100515 12:43:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> Meh, I'll dump a tarball online if you want
20100515 12:43:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> The gameplay is only just being coded now
20100515 12:44:04< sevis> Because I've always wanted to code an RTS. :P
20100515 12:44:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> Heh
20100515 12:44:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> It's in python, not C
20100515 12:44:39< sevis> I know... All the more reason to learn python in the summer holidays.
20100515 12:44:53< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'll have to set up another repo for it then :P
20100515 12:46:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> Some of the code is pending an urgent rewrite to
20100515 12:46:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> http://www.jonespenarth.me.uk/~ieuan/amazolia-tarball.tar.gz
20100515 12:46:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> When I started I wasn't thinking about how to structure it
20100515 12:47:17< sevis> Thanks, fetching.
20100515 12:47:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'm not sure if it runs properly, haven't tested since my latest feature, it should do
20100515 12:47:55< sevis> Hm, you've got svn-commit files lying around.
20100515 12:47:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> Needs python-yaml and python-pygame
20100515 12:48:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ah, that needs cleaning up
20100515 12:48:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> My laptop doesn't connect to the wireless properly after suspending
20100515 12:48:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> Thus lots of error files :/
20100515 12:48:33< sevis> Ah, okay.
20100515 12:48:35< sevis> Well, no worries.
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20100515 12:49:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> Like I said, the gameplay is being coded at the moment, so you can only move the tree around with the arrows
20100515 12:49:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> 'twill eventually be mouse based
20100515 12:50:14< sevis> Oh, hm, file reads it rather strangely.
20100515 12:50:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hmm?
20100515 12:50:29< Unnheulu|Laptop> The inputs stuff?
20100515 12:50:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> Like I said, some stuff pends an urgent rewrite
20100515 12:51:11< sevis> No, it's just that not a single file is considered python by the file utility.
20100515 12:51:17< sevis> They all show up as Java or C++.
20100515 12:51:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ah :/
20100515 12:51:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ignore all the .pyc's
20100515 12:52:04< sevis> What are those?
20100515 12:52:25< sevis> (and yeah, those show up as python)
20100515 12:53:32< Unnheulu|Laptop> They are built by my ide :/
20100515 12:53:42< sevis> What IDE do you use?
20100515 12:54:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> Depends
20100515 12:56:10< sevis> Hm. Do you mind if I question you a little about all this?
20100515 12:56:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> Sure
20100515 12:56:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> I may well have overlooked some scruffy stuff
20100515 12:56:54< sevis> What are the files that have a ~?
20100515 12:57:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> Where are those files?
20100515 12:57:54< sevis> in code/, I'm only talking about code/ at the moment.
20100515 12:58:04< sevis> maptest~ and yamltest~.
20100515 12:58:14< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ah
20100515 12:58:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> It's just maptest and yamltest here :/
20100515 12:58:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> Anyways, those are what hold the map data and stuff (map2.py is no longer used)
20100515 12:59:05< sevis> I don't have maptest, but I do have just yamltest.
20100515 12:59:17< sevis> Oh! Is it maybe a backup made by default by Ubuntu?
20100515 12:59:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> Maybe
20100515 12:59:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> Sorry, I deleted maptest, I meant my_map (a map my bro made >.>)
20100515 13:00:12< sevis> Yeah, they're backups, then... Well, I think the rest is pretty self-explanatory.
20100515 13:00:18< sevis> Oh, where does execution start?
20100515 13:01:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> main.py
20100515 13:01:20< sevis> Oh, sorry, missed that.
20100515 13:01:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> esc to quit
20100515 13:01:37< sevis> This is Python2.6?
20100515 13:01:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> Think so
20100515 13:01:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> It's not 3
20100515 13:01:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> *checks*
20100515 13:02:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> Yeh, 2.6
20100515 13:02:50< sevis> Okay, thanks.
20100515 13:02:59< sevis> Wow, this is impressive stuff.
20100515 13:03:22 * Unnheulu|Laptop is about to add recruiting
20100515 13:03:44< sevis> Now just to get the dependencies sorted out...
20100515 13:04:08< Unnheulu|Laptop> python-yaml and python-pygame
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20100515 13:04:26< sevis> Thanks.
20100515 13:05:13< Unnheulu|Laptop> Incase something goes wrong, you may want to comment out line 20 in main.py
20100515 13:05:20< Unnheulu|Laptop> (# in python)
20100515 13:05:37< sevis> Aha, thanks, yeah, I don't like fullscreen things. :)
20100515 13:21:33< sevis> Is it supposed to constantly output two numbers in braces?
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20100515 13:22:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> Yeh
20100515 13:22:08< sevis> Okay. It works, then.
20100515 13:22:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> I guess I should put that into the logfile
20100515 13:22:37< sevis> Although pressing a movement button several times in a short time makes it non-responsive for a little.
20100515 13:23:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ah, yeh
20100515 13:23:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> At the moment I'm blitting everything at once, which is very resource intensive
20100515 13:23:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> That's gonna be fixed soon
20100515 13:24:10< sevis> Hm. The map is an array?
20100515 13:24:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> Yeh
20100515 13:24:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> And I know how wide the screen is to
20100515 13:24:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> So in theory it shouldn't be too hard for me to fix, but, I'm lazy
20100515 13:25:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> And there is no public release yet :P
20100515 13:25:45< sevis> It's supposed to be as wide as the screen, but a set height?
20100515 13:26:20< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ahm
20100515 13:26:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> Your screen is 1280x1024 right?
20100515 13:26:39< sevis> Yes.
20100515 13:26:53< sevis> It sends away the statistics, or was that just a guess?
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20100515 13:27:08< Unnheulu|Laptop> At the moment the screen size is hardcoded into lists.py
20100515 13:27:13< Unnheulu|Laptop> Just a guess :P
20100515 13:27:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> (It's set as 1280x768)
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20100515 13:43:39< Unnheulu|Laptop> Now multiple units is possible
20100515 13:43:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> ...and multiple sides
20100515 13:44:25< sevis> Nice.
20100515 13:44:39< Unnheulu|Laptop> Anyways, gotta go
20100515 13:44:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> C'ya
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20100515 14:57:09< Hulavuta> Is Ysara a character's name in any campaign?
20100515 14:57:25< zookeeper> sounds familiar from UtBS
20100515 14:57:42< Gallaecio> Not
20100515 14:57:56< Gallaecio> A search gave no results in official campaigns
20100515 14:58:06< Hulavuta> I know, I already did a search on the forums
20100515 14:58:08< Gallaecio> (I'm translating them right now)
20100515 14:58:10< Hulavuta> Oh
20100515 14:58:11< Hulavuta> Nvm
20100515 14:58:31< Gallaecio> Maybe it's already present in unofficial campaigns?
20100515 14:58:36< Hulavuta> Maybe
20100515 14:58:47< Hulavuta> Well I guess i'll just use it until someone points it out to me
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20100515 14:59:22< zookeeper> right, it's not in UtBS. maybe it was just some other, similar name.
20100515 14:59:53< Gallaecio> zookeeper: probably.
20100515 15:00:26< Gallaecio> Hulavuta: In any case, it sounds like an elf's name, so if it's another creature maybe you should pick up another.
20100515 15:04:39< Hulavuta> It's a Necromancer
20100515 15:07:00< Gallaecio> It might be right for a Necromancer. Anyway, you should have a look at other necromancer names, and then go on with that name if you still feel like it fits.
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20100515 15:40:12< eyerouge> Which server does the iPhone port of BfW use? I'm trying to hook up with a friend that uses an iPhone, while I'm in Linux myself.
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20100515 15:44:56< thespaceinvader> eyerouge: it has its own i think - currently incompatible with mainline, not least because it's a port of 1.6.x
20100515 15:45:38< eyerouge> thespaceinvader: Aha... good to know. So in theory, if i KNEW the server, and used 1.6.x, it should allow a pc to play with an iPhone?
20100515 15:45:50< thespaceinvader> no idea, i'm afraid
20100515 15:45:59< eyerouge> thespaceinvader: It
20100515 15:46:01< eyerouge> 'dehrm
20100515 15:46:02< eyerouge> lol
20100515 15:46:45< eyerouge> thespaceinvader: Info on the port is very scarce... been staring myself blinde now for half an hour without understanding much about it... not that I have an iPhone myself or would willingly use one, but nevertheless....
20100515 15:47:26< thespaceinvader> mm indeed
20100515 15:53:39< Hulavuta> What's the Macro Code for spawning a generic unit?
20100515 15:58:21< zookeeper> look in unit-utils.cfg?
20100515 15:59:34< Hulavuta> Oh, didn't know that it existed
20100515 16:01:23< Hulavuta> {GENERIC_UNIT 1 (Elvish Fighter) 19 16} So this would work?
20100515 16:01:56< Aethaeryn> I really ought to learn Java just so I can port Wesnoth to Android.
20100515 16:02:10< zookeeper> Hulavuta, no one remembers the order.
20100515 16:02:15< Aethaeryn> Being an MP-oriented UMC-releaser my priorities would be totally different than the iPhone version :P
20100515 16:03:34< Hulavuta> what order
20100515 16:08:13< zookeeper> the argument order
20100515 16:09:39< Aethaeryn> Tbh, if I ported Wesnoth to Android, I'd probably release it for Free and just have a nag screen on the first start up saying "If you like this please donate" and then have a $5 donate version or something.
20100515 16:15:09< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Go with M$'s marketing model.
20100515 16:15:12< Gambit> $5 to play online.
20100515 16:15:17< Gambit> Or to get addons.
20100515 16:15:56< Aethaeryn> Gambit: No.
20100515 16:16:08< Aethaeryn> My point is, if I were to port it, I wouldn't give a damn about profits.
20100515 16:16:22< Gambit> $5 gets you, for thirteen months, the ability to connect wesnoth to the internet.
20100515 16:16:37< Aethaeryn> And I'm sick of the only decent version of things being on the Android Market paid (IRC clients for instance) that anyone on a computer would expect for free
20100515 16:17:12< Aethaeryn> If I attempt to port Wesnoth to Android, it's because I have a Nexus One, and it would be a fun experiment. Nothing else.
20100515 16:22:04< Aethaeryn> tbh, I see my nexus one like a mini computer.
20100515 16:22:26< Aethaeryn> If possible, I would like to see as many of my tweaks merged back as possible.
20100515 16:22:32< Aethaeryn> Again, this is all hypothetical at the moment.
20100515 16:23:00< Aethaeryn> I'd have to spend many late nights this summer pouring over books and I'll wonder if this summer or next is more realistic.
20100515 16:23:44< SgtFlame|Zen> Aethaeryn: I'm in the process of porting Wesnoth to pbe-gwt (Push Button Engine running on Google Web Toolkit)... this will make it available for all mobile phones.
20100515 16:23:58< Aethaeryn> ah
20100515 16:24:03< Hulavuta> I'm gonna go see Robin Hood. Peaceo ut
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20100515 16:24:30< Aethaeryn> anyway, as someone who makes MP UMC, I definitely want to go the opposite direction from the iPhone port
20100515 16:25:12< Aethaeryn> no paywall, which then adds an add-on every update to incentivise people to update, because then I think that makes UMC server unavailable.
20100515 16:25:24< Aethaeryn> Which makes *my* stuff never going to be implemented, as they're not campaigns. 
20100515 16:25:51< SgtFlame|Zen> Why not?
20100515 16:25:52< Aethaeryn> As any good modder, I'd prefer ubiquity to money.
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20100515 16:26:55< Aethaeryn> SgtFlame|Zen: Afaik (I don't have an iPhone) they don't connect to the add-on server proper.
20100515 16:27:15< SgtFlame|Zen> ah
20100515 16:27:44< SgtFlame|Zen> I've only played Wesnoth once :P
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20100515 16:28:18< SgtFlame|Zen> How would I see if it connects to the addon server?
20100515 16:28:27< Aethaeryn> there would be a button on the menu
20100515 16:28:31< Aethaeryn> unless they added it, it's not there
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20100515 16:28:47< Aethaeryn> last time I followed it, which admittedly was months ago, he was just adding UMC campaigns he liked as if they were mainline.
20100515 16:29:21< Aethaeryn> Well, I'm an insider not an outsider. If at all possible, I'd want to keep Android's port parallel with mainline, with extra version numbers if there's local-only bugs. For instance 1.8.1, but if that has a bug with my port, 1.8.1.1
20100515 16:30:23< Aethaeryn> I'm also not sure how he implements right click, but for me it would probably be implemented as holding down touch, like most right-click menus in Android.
20100515 16:30:38< Aethaeryn> And if he doesn't have right click menus, he can't play the best MP UMC anyway, which use [set_menu_item] extensively.
20100515 16:31:27< Aethaeryn> I'm sure the campaigns are done right, but there are so many things I suspect are missing from MP (and I'm not paying out $305 to get an iPod Touch and this game to go behind hypotheticals)
20100515 16:34:48< SgtFlame|Zen> Aethaeryn: I don't see anything about add servers
20100515 16:35:09< Aethaeryn> add-on servers
20100515 16:35:51< Aethaeryn> as in, how you get user-made-content, as in the reason I like Wesnoth in the first place: it's extreme friendliness to modders and ability to extend... something you never see in a commercial strategy game to this extent.
20100515 16:35:52< SgtFlame|Zen> ya, sorry, still waking up
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20100515 16:36:10< Aethaeryn> Add-ons (or mods in most gaming communities) extend the life of a game.
20100515 16:36:17 * SgtFlame|Zen agrees
20100515 16:36:19< Aethaeryn> I spent forever on Age of Empires II, far past its life, because of it.
20100515 16:36:37< Aethaeryn> Unfortunately, these days, it's a triple attack: 3D, DRM, and greed for profits.
20100515 16:37:06< Aethaeryn> 3D is a lot harder to make even the simplest maps for, the map editors are like Photoshop now instead of MS Paint and that raises the barrier to entry, as well as reduces the amount of maps that'll actually be decent.
20100515 16:37:57< Aethaeryn> DRM, to stop piracy, also basically stops certain kinds of mods, afaik. For most games, you're actually downloading .zip campaigns from forums or whatever and putting them in the game directory. I can see how some of the more creative mods can be blocked by DRM
20100515 16:38:38< Aethaeryn> And actually, they don't *want* to be friendly to extensions because they want to make money. If you're happy on Foo RTS 2 with all the extensions, are you going to buy Foo RTS 3 next year?
20100515 16:38:48< Aethaeryn> Or are you still going to be playing Foo RTS 2 for another few years?
20100515 16:39:39< Aethaeryn> Regardless, publishers want the lifecycle of a game to be short, and paid DLC and expansion packs common.
20100515 16:39:47< Aethaeryn> And the unofficial stuff to be hard to make so they don't replace the paid DLC
20100515 16:40:08< Aethaeryn> If someone makes a really good campaign, are you necessarily going to want to buy paid DLC that isn't as good?
20100515 16:40:22< Aethaeryn> But if the paid DLC is all that's available, you would probably want it.
20100515 16:42:14< Aethaeryn> This is why I'm against commercial games...
20100515 16:42:33< Aethaeryn> Not to mention that the strategy games, mostly, are going towards dumbed-down action beacause that'll sell the most copies.
20100515 16:43:27< sevis> Well, we'll soon have 0 A.D., that might raise the standards of commercial games somewhat.
20100515 16:43:44< Aethaeryn> Too late for me.
20100515 16:43:58< sevis> And for me, too, but better late than never.
20100515 16:44:10< Aethaeryn> I'd rather make my own stuff than just accept the consumer model of publishing that everyone these days wants you to just blindly accept.
20100515 16:45:22< Aethaeryn> Consumer model: "You pay us to make it, then we release it, and if you're lucky we'll have free patches. We'll probably hold off a handful features that we could've added just for additional motivation so you can pay for expansion packs and/or DLC down the road."
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20100515 16:45:36< Aethaeryn> "And if you have a problem with a decision we've made, too bad."
20100515 16:46:34< Aethaeryn> "And if the sequel sucks but has a better engine, you'll always be forced to decide between the old one that is a better game and the new one that has a better engine and thus is probably better for things like MP or playing in general"
20100515 16:46:58< Aethaeryn> It'd be like forcing you to download Wesnoth 1.2 if you wanted to play HttT
20100515 16:47:23< Aethaeryn> Like HttT but also like the balancing and the arcane damage type, etc.? Too bad.
20100515 16:48:47< Aethaeryn> Any art should be done out of love for the art. Commercial has gotten *too* commercial, especially with the DRM trying to console-ify PC and most of the genres moving over to consoles anyway (exceptions: strategies and MMOs haven't had popular ports)
20100515 16:51:00< thespaceinvader> yow Aethaeryn, rant much? :P
20100515 16:51:05< thespaceinvader> not that i disagree, but still
20100515 16:51:11< Aethaeryn> Well, yeah, it's a form of venting.
20100515 16:51:31< Aethaeryn> If I ever had any money, I'd start a group.
20100515 16:51:55< Aethaeryn> That basically pays a handful of people to work full-time on open source games.
20100515 16:52:06< Aethaeryn> Because then you'd have the best of both worlds.
20100515 16:52:51< Aethaeryn> The effort that comes from a full-time job, and the incremental continuing-release model as well as great modability of open source.
20100515 16:53:44< Aethaeryn> That humble game bundle does kinda provide some hope in that it shows people can and will pay for things that are free (or $0.01)
20100515 16:55:57< thespaceinvader> i would work for such a company
20100515 16:56:01< thespaceinvader> in a fricking heartbeat
20100515 16:56:09< Aethaeryn> Honestly, it's not too hard to establish.
20100515 16:56:23< Aethaeryn> The question would be of upfront capital.
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20100515 16:56:27< thespaceinvader> indeed
20100515 16:56:33< thespaceinvader> not to mention continued income
20100515 16:56:58< Aethaeryn> Actually, the income issue isn't as bad as I had hoped.
20100515 16:57:20< Aethaeryn> And when you think about it, are open source games *much* worse than commercial games if you tried to sell one?
20100515 16:57:23< thespaceinvader> no?
20100515 16:57:26< thespaceinvader> web advertising?
20100515 16:57:32< Aethaeryn> Both would have torrents on the Internet and freeloaders who would never pay. :P
20100515 16:57:38< thespaceinvader> or are you talking about actually releasing a dedicated game?
20100515 16:57:42< Aethaeryn> The only difference is the legality of it.
20100515 16:57:47< thespaceinvader> true
20100515 16:58:03< Aethaeryn> In other words, if it's actually a good game, at least some of the freeloaders will choose to pay for it.
20100515 16:58:10< thespaceinvader> true, true
20100515 16:58:30< Aethaeryn> I'd think the first thing necessary would be a "pay-your-own-price" download platform.
20100515 16:58:30< thespaceinvader> speaking of which, one of the things i need to do this summer is research opening a wesnoth merch store
20100515 16:58:34< Aethaeryn> For the set of games.
20100515 16:58:44< Aethaeryn> And yeah, merchandise helps too
20100515 16:59:02< thespaceinvader> that would be a good outlet for all those people who want to donate to the project but currently cannot
20100515 16:59:06< Aethaeryn> But yeah, digital distribution removes a big barrier to entry: you don't need a big-name publisher to get in big-name stores, you can go "viral" by word-of-mouth online.
20100515 16:59:16< thespaceinvader> yeah, true
20100515 16:59:21< Aethaeryn> You want two things, though.
20100515 16:59:32< Aethaeryn> You want in-game upgrade system between incremental releases.
20100515 16:59:36< thespaceinvader> i wonder whether it would be possible to finally break the barrier on digitally publishing fiction
20100515 16:59:43< thespaceinvader> writing an open source novel woudl be interesting
20100515 16:59:50< Aethaeryn> So if you get from 1.8.1 to 1.8.2, you just press an update button instead of going through the site.
20100515 16:59:51< thespaceinvader> shame wesnoth's story's so damn generic, really
20100515 16:59:57< thespaceinvader> yeah, that would be very handy
20100515 17:00:25< Aethaeryn> Then you want to rework the method of download, ideally in partnership with other projects (either existing or about-to-be-created, the latter would probably be "easier")
20100515 17:00:41< Aethaeryn> So basically, you can pay through Paypal, Amazon, or Google, just like that bundle thing.
20100515 17:00:49< Aethaeryn> And there's also a "free" option.
20100515 17:00:51< thespaceinvader> yeah, that woudl be good
20100515 17:01:13< Aethaeryn> Even if 90% of the people do the free option and just download like they always used to, that's still a ton more donations than you normally get
20100515 17:02:16< Aethaeryn> And if you get more than a few thousand dollars that way (again, you'd want an internal upgrade method so you only bug those who are just getting the stable branch for the first time)
20100515 17:02:21< Aethaeryn> you can actually have a staff
20100515 17:02:28< Aethaeryn> part-time, but that's still better than nothing
20100515 17:02:41< Aethaeryn> and over time, as quality increases because more time is devoted, more money will be optionally paid
20100515 17:04:01< Aethaeryn> So yeah, what you'd want is "Buy with Paypal, Amazon, Google Checkout" or "Get for Free"
20100515 17:04:53< Aethaeryn> And yeah, you don't make as much as if you just devote yourself toward profits.
20100515 17:05:48< Aethaeryn> But really, here's how you profit the most: You make someone pay for the game, pay monthly to access the servers, and pay for every expansion pack and DLC. You make people addicted and bankrupt and are only slightly better than drug dealers. In other words, you make a mainstream MMORPG.
20100515 17:05:59< Aethaeryn> And that's the second-lowest form of commercial gaming
20100515 17:06:04< Aethaeryn> Next to Zynga on Facebook
20100515 17:06:15< Aethaeryn> Because at least MMORPG developers have talent.
20100515 17:06:48< cph> heh
20100515 17:07:45< Aethaeryn> I used to play non-Facebook browser games, that were made for fun and not for profit and popularity like these Facebook ones.
20100515 17:07:51< Aethaeryn> They were more fun and had more features.
20100515 17:08:32< Aethaeryn> And when they added features, they added features. Unlike Mafia Wars, which just adds cities: more of the same clicking, but with different PNG images and words.
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20100515 18:28:17< PetePorty> ;)
20100515 18:28:23< PetePorty> HELLo
20100515 18:28:56< PetePorty> anyone up for a game with weird settings?
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20100515 18:38:38< The_guy_you_all_> hate
20100515 18:38:47< The_guy_you_all_> love?
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20100515 18:39:19< TheGuyYouAllHate> yay!
20100515 18:40:20-!- the_wanderer is now known as TheGuyWhoHatesTh
20100515 18:40:27< TheGuyWhoHatesTh> .
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20100515 18:44:40< TheGuyYouAllHate> <-----I hate that guy
20100515 18:44:46 * the_wanderer falls asleep
20100515 18:44:51< TheGuyYouAllHate> O.o
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20100515 18:52:15< TheGuyYouAllHate> I like advanced era...
20100515 19:00:52< the_wanderer> anyone compiled wesnoth 1.8 on windows with codeblocks?
20100515 19:02:44 * the_wanderer is banging his head against the wall
20100515 19:03:13< the_wanderer> i guess everyone just downloads the installer....
20100515 19:03:18< TheGuyYouAllHate> yes
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20100515 19:13:09< the_wanderer> @TheGuy: why does we all hate you?
20100515 19:13:50< TheGuyYouAllHate> dunno.... I'm just a hateable person...
20100515 19:15:41 * the_wanderer hate TheGuyYouAllHate
20100515 19:15:54< TheGuyYouAllHate> thx
20100515 19:16:04< the_wanderer> ur welcome :D
20100515 19:17:03< the_wanderer> 2022
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20100515 19:30:09< Valkier> Howdy!
20100515 19:30:59< TheGuyYouAllHate> hi Valk
20100515 19:31:07< TheGuyYouAllHate> how are you today?
20100515 19:32:14< Valkier> Not bad
20100515 19:32:18< Valkier> Just woke up
20100515 19:32:20< TheGuyYouAllHate> cool
20100515 19:32:21< Valkier> How about you?
20100515 19:32:29< TheGuyYouAllHate> I feel great
20100515 19:32:37< TheGuyYouAllHate> just starting my vacations...
20100515 19:32:41< Valkier> Hurray!
20100515 19:32:46< TheGuyYouAllHate> ;)
20100515 19:33:22< Valkier> I should get back to drawing. hmm...
20100515 19:33:53< TheGuyYouAllHate> go, go let your hand free and draw like gods!
20100515 19:34:45< Valkier> I'd like to, but got some stuff to do first apparently.
20100515 19:35:15< TheGuyYouAllHate> hmm....
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20100515 19:46:11< Gambit> We all hate PetePorty?
20100515 19:46:14< Gambit> Since when?
20100515 19:50:42< Valkier> I dunno.
20100515 19:50:45< Valkier> Never heard of him.
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20100515 20:45:03< sevis> Anyone want to play against a rather poor player?
20100515 20:45:38< sevis> (Wesnoth 1.8.1)
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20100515 20:57:13< Zerovirus> Valkier: Hey, I sprited your dude :P
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20100515 21:02:36< Gambit> What's this about spriting whale balls?
20100515 21:03:07< Zerovirus> What?
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20100515 21:04:21< Hulavuta> I'm back from watching Robin Hood
20100515 21:04:24< Hulavuta> Phenomenal movie
20100515 21:04:34< Hulavuta> Russel Crow did a phenomenal job as Robin Hood
20100515 21:04:36< Zerovirus> Goody for you
20100515 21:04:47< Hulavuta> It was fantastic
20100515 21:04:48< Zerovirus> I sprited Valkier's assassin dude he finished a while back
20100515 21:04:53< Hulavuta> See it instead of Iron Man 2
20100515 21:05:27< Hulavuta> Zero wanna continue our campaign?
20100515 21:05:45< Zerovirus> Ahhh... Nah.
20100515 21:05:52< Zerovirus> I find I don't like coop campaign campaigns much.
20100515 21:06:06< Hulavuta> ..... :'(
20100515 21:07:10< Hulavuta> please please please please please please
20100515 21:07:26< Zerovirus> I have sprites to do, so nahh. Unless you'd be up for a MP match?
20100515 21:07:30< Zerovirus> We can be on the same team.
20100515 21:07:57< Hulavuta> lol
20100515 21:07:59< Hulavuta> fine
20100515 21:08:13< Hulavuta> Is it possible to reload my save game with another person instead of you?
20100515 21:08:28< Zerovirus> Yes
20100515 21:08:50< Zerovirus> holy crap it's already the afternoon?
20100515 21:08:54< Zerovirus> I thought I -just- woke up
20100515 21:10:48< Hulavuta> Okay it's up..
20100515 21:11:33< Hulavuta> This time, I'm picking a faction I don't suck at
20100515 21:11:37< Hulavuta> So Drake Orc or Undead?
20100515 21:11:57< Zerovirus> Shrug
20100515 21:12:01< Zerovirus> I kinda like Drakes now
20100515 21:12:06< Zerovirus> they're easy to screw up with but powerful
20100515 21:12:13< Zerovirus> (mostly cuz they cost so freaking much)
20100515 21:12:28< Hulavuta> Drakes I shall be
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20100515 22:24:24< jakEru> Hello, where shall I register to connect to the mp server? I have registered on the wiki, but it says the pass is incorrect. I have troubles registering on the forum, too. I can't really get the captcha.
20100515 22:24:33< Zerovirus> It's the forum.
20100515 22:24:39< noy> heh, yeah its the forum 
20100515 22:24:45< Zerovirus> There's no real other place to make ana ccount
20100515 22:24:57< noy> I've never heard that before...
20100515 22:24:58< jakEru> The website?
20100515 22:25:08 * zookeeper has failed various captchas a lot of times
20100515 22:25:11< zookeeper> i'm starting to hate them
20100515 22:25:32< jakEru> It's a wiki.
20100515 22:26:17< Zerovirus> Just keep trying to make an account on the forum, you'll get it sooner or later
20100515 22:26:31< Zerovirus> Perhaps the MP server accounts should have their own creation area?
20100515 22:27:20< jakEru> I feel visually impaired. 
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20100515 22:34:07< jakEru> Another question, why in the manual there's nothing on races and chars stats? Am I missing something= 
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20100515 22:46:57< Gambit> Captchas are silly.
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20100515 22:47:07< Gambit> Picture identifcation is the future.
20100515 22:47:35< Gambit> Even those math problem captchas won't work for long.
20100515 22:47:49< Gambit> A coldfusion bot could Evaluate() all the ones I've seen so far.
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20100515 22:54:54< Unnheulu> Hiah sevis
20100515 22:55:11< sevis> Hullo! I looked at your game, and I'm impressed.
20100515 22:55:25< Unnheulu> Despite no gameplay in that release? :P
20100515 22:55:35< Unnheulu> Anyways, thanks
20100515 22:55:41< sevis> Everything I've made had even worse gameplay.
20100515 22:55:59< Unnheulu> What can be worse than no gameplay?
20100515 22:56:02< Unnheulu> :D
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20100515 22:56:03< sevis> I'll be busy the coming month, but might contribute after that.
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20100515 22:56:13< sevis> No gameplay, no graphics, and ugly, ugly code?
20100515 22:56:44< Unnheulu> Ok, fair enough ;)
20100515 22:57:21< sevis> One second, need to restart my client.
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20100515 22:57:45< Unnheulu> Heya again
20100515 22:57:54< sevis> There we go, Bitlbee 1.2.7 ^^
20100515 22:58:13< sevis> So, anyway, erm.
20100515 22:58:27< sevis> I found parts of your code very hard to understand, but for the most part, it looks good.
20100515 22:58:47< Unnheulu> Like I said, some big sections are pending a rewrite
20100515 22:59:04< Unnheulu> The mapeditor, and the mainfile are the biggest offenders off the top of my head
20100515 22:59:43< sevis> The last line of character.py gave me quite a headache.
20100515 22:59:50< sevis> Isn't it possible to split it over several lines?
20100515 23:00:07< Unnheulu> That file is another being rewritten, but, anything can be split
20100515 23:00:22< Unnheulu> (Only because it doesn't nicely support some stuff I want)
20100515 23:00:54< sevis> Okay, well, I hope to have the time to follow all this closely. Are there any games you are taking a lot of inspiration from?
20100515 23:01:09< Unnheulu> Ahm, a mix of wesnoth and stronghold
20100515 23:01:23< sevis> Stronghold? Love that game! :D
20100515 23:01:39< Unnheulu> (Although no buildings, but, that can be scripted by the player)
20100515 23:01:44< sevis> First/Crusader, or more second/legends?
20100515 23:02:28< Unnheulu> I kinda felt both were fairly similar, so if you could elaborate?
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20100515 23:02:41< Unnheulu> Ah, that is a confusing line^^
20100515 23:03:05< sevis> I found the first to be much more.. old school. I'm not sure what exactly it was.
20100515 23:03:08< Unnheulu> I'll fix it on my laptop later to avoid conflicts
20100515 23:03:11< sevis> It felt more neat, I would say.
20100515 23:03:22< Unnheulu> Then it's more like the first one
20100515 23:03:41< Unnheulu> I want to avoid a lot of the extra stuff added in in say, legends
20100515 23:03:45< sevis> Okay, good. :D
20100515 23:04:04< sevis> I find that 3D adds too much clutter, I'm glad to see another 2D RTS being made.
20100515 23:04:35< Unnheulu> Although, remember, you won't be able to build stuff in it
20100515 23:04:43< Unnheulu> Stuff like that would have to be scenario specific
20100515 23:05:14< sevis> No worries. I'm imagining it quite a bit like the Total War series now.
20100515 23:05:28 * Unnheulu looks that up
20100515 23:05:38< sevis> So more RTT than RTS, but that's still great.
20100515 23:05:44< Unnheulu> Ah
20100515 23:06:11< Unnheulu> Ok then, its a rtt game ;)
20100515 23:06:27< Unnheulu> I'm hoping to add in a peace time slider, or something to avoid rushes
20100515 23:06:30< Unnheulu> Food, bbl
20100515 23:06:39< sevis> Have you got any type of design document?
20100515 23:06:41< sevis> Ah, okay, see you.
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20100515 23:29:32< Unnheulu> I is back
20100515 23:29:49< Unnheulu> No design document of sorts
20100515 23:30:06< Unnheulu> 'cause I've been doing this mostly solo, I haven't need to bother making one
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20100515 23:30:46< Unnheulu> brb
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20100515 23:37:47< sevis> Welcome back.
20100515 23:38:04< Unnheulu|Laptop> Heh
20100515 23:38:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'm gonna have to go again soon >.>
20100515 23:38:21< sevis> It's no problem, I'll be going to bed, anyway.
20100515 23:38:55< Unnheulu|Laptop> Okays
20100515 23:39:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> Your in a similar-ish time zone to me...
20100515 23:39:31< sevis> The Netherlands.
20100515 23:39:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> Yeh, an hour ahead of Britain
20100515 23:39:46< sevis> Yep.
20100515 23:39:49< Unnheulu|Laptop> Bbiab again >.>
20100515 23:39:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> Do you have daylight savings?
20100515 23:40:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> Answer to the logs :P
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20100515 23:40:01< sevis> Think so, yeah.
20100515 23:41:27< Valkier> America rules! woooo!
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20100515 23:53:43< Unnheulu> Aethaeryn, wouldn't the whole game have to be rewritten in java?
20100515 23:54:03< Unnheulu> for the android, that is
20100515 23:54:48< Unnheulu> Valkier, <cuts out statement^.^>
20100515 23:56:04< Unnheulu> <rewrites statement> America could rule, if only they stopped acting world police
20100515 23:58:50< Valkier> Yeah, but we deep fry everything.
20100515 23:58:51< Valkier> So we win.
20100515 23:59:31< Unnheulu> Intriguing
20100515 23:59:48< Unnheulu> We have strikes
20100515 23:59:54< Unnheulu> So we win :)
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