--- Log opened Mon May 17 00:00:05 2010
20100517 00:00:15< mklappstuhl> how can i play a campaign with a friend via internet
20100517 00:01:10< ancestral> mklappstuhl: The easiest way is to hop on the official server
20100517 00:02:30< mklappstuhl> and then? i can only select maps when i create i new game/server
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20100517 00:14:20< ancestral> yes
20100517 00:14:31< ancestral> mklappstuhl: Is that working for you?
20100517 00:14:39< Valkier> Ancestral: When do you sleep?
20100517 00:14:44< ancestral> inorite
20100517 00:14:54< Valkier> You're on everytime I look!
20100517 00:15:31< ancestral> Yeah I slept from like… 3 or 4 to like noon
20100517 00:15:37< ancestral> It's my day off
20100517 00:15:44< ancestral> I had the entire weekend off
20100517 00:15:51< Valkier> Nice
20100517 00:16:34< Valkier> So start drawing!
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20100517 01:08:53< noy> ancestral: we already have enough money for it this year
20100517 01:09:05< noy> and we don't really take in donations
20100517 01:09:06< ancestral> Okay
20100517 01:09:22< Valkier> Comission work it is!
20100517 01:09:26< ancestral> I guess so
20100517 01:09:29 * Valkier calls his bookie
20100517 01:09:36< ancestral> noy: feel free to destroy the thread then
20100517 01:09:50< ancestral> Complete and utter destruction
20100517 01:09:57< Blueblaze> or keep it alive for complete and utter archievalism
20100517 01:10:11< shadowmaster> we don't destroy threads unless it's spam.
20100517 01:10:13< ancestral> Blueblaze speaks outside the #wesnoth-music room?
20100517 01:10:20< ancestral> I made the thread, why can't I?
20100517 01:10:27< shadowmaster> someone posted?
20100517 01:10:31< ancestral> I don't know
20100517 01:10:37< ancestral> I got my answer
20100517 01:10:51< shadowmaster> nah, it seems someone destroyed it
20100517 01:10:57< noy> I did
20100517 01:11:05< noy> he asked for it to be deleted. 
20100517 01:11:16< ancestral> Thanks
20100517 01:11:23< noy> he could have done it himself. 
20100517 01:11:29< shadowmaster> I had assumed there were posts otherwise I'd have told him to do it himself
20100517 01:11:30< noy> and there was no other posts either 
20100517 01:11:51< ancestral> I was about to… try that… won't be so quick to request so next time…
20100517 01:12:04< shadowmaster> ancestral: that's the spirit!
20100517 01:12:08< ancestral> :-D
20100517 01:12:26< ancestral> Valkier: We'll talk about commission work as time rolls on ;-)
20100517 01:12:45< ancestral> Valkier: I want portraits fro all the creatures in the bestiary
20100517 01:12:48< ancestral> *for
20100517 01:13:36< Valkier> All righty
20100517 01:14:13< Valkier> May have to wait till after Summer of Art (unless you want it before that, which I doubt) but I'm more than willing.
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20100517 01:19:46< ancestral> Valkier: No worries
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20100517 01:28:57< Valkier> Bah. Can't decide if I want to give this one a weapon or not.
20100517 01:29:05< Valkier> Making me frustrated!
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20100517 01:45:13< ancestral> Do both?
20100517 01:50:05< ancestral> Valkier: Actually, I think there are plenty of portraits with weapons
20100517 01:50:07< ancestral> Maybe try without
20100517 01:54:45< Valkier> Well here's what I have
20100517 01:54:46< Valkier> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=40894&mode=view
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20100517 01:55:11< Valkier> I was going to have the arm closest to us going across his mid section, but with the way she's hunched over it makes it look more like she has a stomach ache.
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20100517 01:55:45< Valkier> Sooo just gonna have it hanging straight down and give her a scabbard of some sort.
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20100517 02:07:13< ancestral> sure
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20100517 03:06:30< Valkier> Everyone is asleep!
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20100517 03:13:18< ancestral> Valkier: I'm still here :-P
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20100517 03:21:01< Valkier> But you ignore my love!
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20100517 03:38:07< michaleR> Does replay save enough information to show the campaign you just completed like a mini-movie?
20100517 03:39:15< Gambit> michaleR: Sure. One scenario at a time.
20100517 03:39:48< michaleR> Great, how does one get it to play?  (I hope to learn from my mistakes...)
20100517 03:40:00< Gambit> You go to load just like you would a save.
20100517 03:40:03< Gambit> But you load a replay.
20100517 03:40:53< michaleR> and click the show replay box.
20100517 03:41:53< michaleR> Thank you it's rolling now.
20100517 03:42:28< Gambit> Have fun.
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20100517 10:16:05< Ivanovic> moin
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20100517 16:51:23< Gambit> Good morning wesnoth.
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20100517 17:00:39 * Gambit is so happy today
20100517 17:01:32< shadowmaster> you need help with that?
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20100517 17:01:53< Gambit> shadowmaster: Nothing you can do can compete with the awesome news I recieved this morning.
20100517 17:01:58< Gambit> Battlefront 3 8)
20100517 17:02:03< sevis> :O
20100517 17:02:07< shadowmaster> *click* *click*
20100517 17:02:09< sevis> Star Wars Battlefront?!
20100517 17:02:15< shadowmaster> oh look, you have 0 posts in the forum
20100517 17:02:15< Gambit> A friend of mine watches the Gamespy lobby listings
20100517 17:02:21< Gambit> and Battlefront 3 popped up a few days ago.
20100517 17:03:02< Gambit> And along with that, E3's game list for this year was leaked.
20100517 17:03:08< Gambit> Guess what's on it. :D
20100517 17:04:42< Gambit> The Battlefront 3 lobbies have no servers in them yet, but they're setup and there.
20100517 17:04:47< Gambit> For PC, PS3, and... the wii :s
20100517 17:05:48< Gambit> I guess if they can adapt Call of Duty to the wii, they can do SWBF somehow.
20100517 17:08:02< Gambit> shadowmaster: So there!
20100517 17:08:03< Gambit> lol
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20100517 17:15:52< Gambit> And if gamespy is still involved in battlefront, then we might still get PC dedicated servers for ps3.
20100517 17:16:06< Gambit> Which means we'll be able to mod it :D
20100517 17:23:40< zookeeper> Gambit, eh, i've watched some SWBF2 gameplay videos on youtube and those look pretty crappy. my modern standards i mean, to me it looks pretty much exactly like jedi knight 2 with vehicles.
20100517 17:24:13< Gambit> zookeeper: SWBF2 is 5 years old.
20100517 17:24:33< Gambit> The fact that it can even be rated on modern standards, regardless of outcome, speaks for its awesomeness.
20100517 17:24:57< Valkier> Halo can beat up the Star Wars!
20100517 17:24:58< Gambit> Gameplay wise, I have yet to play a game more fun.
20100517 17:25:54< zookeeper> Gambit, what? there's plenty of over 5 years old games which look great.
20100517 17:26:11< zookeeper> my modern standards reach about 5 years backwards ;)
20100517 17:27:15< zookeeper> but fine, i thought it was more like 3 years old
20100517 17:29:18< Gambit> I just hope BF3 hasn't strayed too far.
20100517 17:29:25< Gambit> I hear slant six has their fingers in it.
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20100517 17:30:58< Gambit> Modern shooter gameplay concepts are not as fun.
20100517 17:31:05< Gambit> auto regenerating health
20100517 17:31:09< Gambit> restrictive movement
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20100517 17:32:12< Gambit> In fact I'd go so far to argue that going from set classes, to weapon lists was a regression in fun.
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20100517 17:33:09< Gambit> With classes you can tell at a glance what is coming. You can prepare. With the freer movements you can evade.
20100517 17:34:11< zookeeper> modern shooter gameplay concepts are more fun in single-player though.
20100517 17:34:19< sevis> Gambit: Did you prefer the first or the second?
20100517 17:34:51< Gambit> sevis: The second.
20100517 17:35:13< Gambit> Same basic gameplay. I can't say it fixed any flaws, but it took the strengths and made them even stronger.
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20100517 17:35:37< sevis> Same. I did find that the first did aerial combat better.
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20100517 17:35:54< sevis> Remember that map where you're on bridge-connected islands with lots of vehicles?
20100517 17:36:02< Gambit> Bespin platforms <3
20100517 17:36:10< Gambit> On PC you can download all of SWBF1's maps for the second one.
20100517 17:36:20< sevis> Oh, sweet, didn't know.
20100517 17:36:24< sevis> Is the game on Steam?
20100517 17:36:32< Gambit> Dunno.
20100517 17:36:38 * sevis goes to look.
20100517 17:36:52< Gambit> On ps2 we tried hosting one of SWBF1's maps.
20100517 17:37:12< Gambit> But the geometry doesn't get downloaded.
20100517 17:37:34< Gambit> You can edit maps on ps2 SWBF2 and host them on a dedicated server, but you can only use resources that are on the disc :(
20100517 17:37:43< sevis> Yep, it is... :D Awesome, I'll get this to play in the summer.
20100517 17:38:51< Gambit> sevis: Everyone that's left online is really bad at the game XD
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20100517 17:39:50< sevis> Hm. I'm not sure what that says about the quality of the game.
20100517 17:40:03< sevis> That it appeals to people who are horrid at FPS's?
20100517 17:40:14< sevis> Might be why I like it.
20100517 17:40:22< shadowmaster> are we talking about wesnoth?
20100517 17:40:47< sevis> No, we're still obsessing about Battlefront.
20100517 17:41:09< Gambit> sevis: It's just that most of the good players have moved on.
20100517 17:41:27< Gambit> The gaming community in general was smaller last generation.
20100517 17:41:41< Gambit> Battlefront was a game where anyone with any skill knew everyone else.
20100517 17:41:54< Gambit> And they all found their way into clans and teams.
20100517 17:42:23< sevis> Hm. Well, I'll see. I might end up never playing online, anyway.
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20100517 17:47:31< Unnheulu> Hi Gambit
20100517 17:47:44< Valkier> Howdy, Unn.
20100517 17:47:52< Unnheulu> Hi Valkier
20100517 17:48:27< Gambit> Unnheulu: Hi.
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20100517 17:51:37< Unnheulu> Hiah eyerouge
20100517 17:52:27< Valkier> Shining Force has held up really well as a game.
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20100517 17:53:43< PetePorty> Hello
20100517 17:53:50< Unnheulu> Hiah
20100517 17:54:00< Unnheulu> PetePorty, I'm recoding ma game in C++
20100517 17:54:10< PetePorty> ..why?
20100517 17:54:21< Unnheulu> Because python is too slow a language
20100517 17:54:36< Unnheulu> Here was the latest screenshot before I started the recoding: http://www.jonespenarth.me.uk/~ieuan/Amazolia-11.png
20100517 17:54:37< PetePorty> well... didn't I tell you?
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20100517 17:54:45< Unnheulu> No, you didn't
20100517 17:54:56< Unnheulu> You never mentioned runtime speed
20100517 17:55:02< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: clarification.
20100517 17:55:13< Unnheulu> Hmm?
20100517 17:55:16< sevis> Oh, nice, random shapes.
20100517 17:55:18< shadowmaster> SDL can handle any image in its surface format, and includes a way to convert BMP images to that natively
20100517 17:55:43< PetePorty> Are those supposed to be mountines?
20100517 17:55:47< shadowmaster> Wesnoth uses the SDL_image library which can handle PNGs, JPEGs, GIFs, XCFs (to a certain degree) and something more
20100517 17:55:49< Unnheulu> Ah, your replying to my message last night
20100517 17:56:03< Gambit> PetePorty: *mountynes.
20100517 17:56:19< Gambit> A canadian hydorcarbon with a triple carbon-carbon bond.
20100517 17:56:29< Unnheulu> :/
20100517 17:56:38< PetePorty> -.-
20100517 17:56:46< Gambit> See also: mountenes and mountanes
20100517 17:57:18< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: also, I believe python isn't too slow for making a game with it
20100517 17:57:34< shadowmaster> maybe it has something to do with repeating already interpreted code, which is very common with games that run in a loop
20100517 17:57:34< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, A rtt game?
20100517 17:58:00 * shadowmaster seems to recall some big FOSS game which uses python
20100517 17:59:13< Gambit> Or at least it did.
20100517 17:59:20< Gambit> Until a security vulnerability was found.
20100517 17:59:33< Gambit> Yes I know; wrong game.
20100517 17:59:34< shadowmaster> hey, I'm the python hater here.
20100517 17:59:39< Unnheulu> Civilisation IV uses python
20100517 17:59:58< shadowmaster> that's not FOSS, definitely not.
20100517 18:00:23< PetePorty> O.o I need to work on my pp... but I don't want to...
20100517 18:00:25< PetePorty> : (
20100517 18:00:37< Gambit> Powerpoint?
20100517 18:00:37< Unnheulu> I meant for the add-ons and stuff ;)
20100517 18:00:41< Unnheulu> And I know its not
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20100517 18:01:04< Gambit> shadowmaster: Imitation is the sincerest form of someone wanting something.
20100517 18:01:20< shadowmaster> you want admin privs, I know.
20100517 18:01:24< shadowmaster> you won't get them, you k now.
20100517 18:01:46< Gambit> No.
20100517 18:01:58< PetePorty> Personal Project
20100517 18:02:20< Gambit> Well yes that may be true.
20100517 18:02:24< Unnheulu> Gambit, just ask a different admin ;)
20100517 18:02:29< Unnheulu> Sorry...
20100517 18:02:45< Gambit> But that's unrelated.
20100517 18:02:48< PetePorty> so... How's ShadowMilitia going?
20100517 18:03:02< shadowmaster> *stab*
20100517 18:03:09< PetePorty> ahhh
20100517 18:03:15 * PetePorty dies
20100517 18:03:37< shadowmaster> that was for the originator of the ShadowMilitia plot.
20100517 18:03:43< PetePorty> oh
20100517 18:03:47< shadowmaster> but yeah, good riddance too
20100517 18:03:54 * Unnheulu is out of the loop
20100517 18:03:57 * PetePorty revives
20100517 18:04:03< Unnheulu> Can someone explain please?
20100517 18:04:11< PetePorty> It's an add-on
20100517 18:04:19< Gambit> An imaginary one.
20100517 18:04:23< PetePorty> probably... in the future
20100517 18:04:25< PetePorty> mayb
20100517 18:04:26< Gambit> Born of a fleeting thought.
20100517 18:04:26< PetePorty> e
20100517 18:04:31 * shadowmaster mumbles something about a +q
20100517 18:04:53< Gambit> Unnheulu: I figured if I made an addon starting with the letters S-H-A-D-O-W-M and it became popular enough...
20100517 18:05:39< shadowmaster> you would get a "Lord of UMC-Dev" title along with all imaginable privs
20100517 18:05:48< Gambit> No...
20100517 18:06:04< shadowmaster> the hamster wheel operator role is overrated, really :)
20100517 18:06:28< Gambit> After tomorow I'll be able to legally sign up for UMC Dev though.
20100517 18:06:31< PetePorty> well, what you told me started this way: "Hey, PeterPorty, I thought of a way to bother you-know-who" or something like that
20100517 18:06:38< Gambit> Silly sourceforge and their age discrimination.
20100517 18:06:49 * Unnheulu though it was 13+...
20100517 18:06:50< shadowmaster> Gambit: bah, I joined SF.net as 17.
20100517 18:07:07< PetePorty> O.o
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20100517 18:07:21< shadowmaster> um, or was it at 18?
20100517 18:07:24< shadowmaster> let me check my profile
20100517 18:07:30< PetePorty> you... you... you lied at the internet!?
20100517 18:07:34< PetePorty> OMG
20100517 18:07:40< shadowmaster> no, I didn't.
20100517 18:07:51< shadowmaster> either I did id a few days before becoming 18, or a few days later
20100517 18:07:58< PetePorty> hmmm
20100517 18:08:10< shadowmaster> it also was for a good cause. I *founded* wesnoth-umc-dev
20100517 18:08:25< Unnheulu> Gambit, Mommy and Daddy don't want you on it?
20100517 18:08:37< Unnheulu> I could swear it used to be 13 though
20100517 18:08:44< shadowmaster> meh, I did it a few weeks *later*
20100517 18:09:06< PetePorty> hmmm
20100517 18:09:12< Gambit> Unnheulu: They don't care. But parental consent via email is an annoying process. Normally I'd just lie, but this is *wesnoth*. This is serious.
20100517 18:09:26< PetePorty> O.o
20100517 18:09:26< Unnheulu> Ah
20100517 18:09:35< Unnheulu> It needs emailed consent?
20100517 18:09:48< Gambit> that's ussually how it goes
20100517 18:09:49< shadowmaster> I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
20100517 18:09:54< Gambit> dunno.
20100517 18:09:57< PetePorty> can't it be a note in your agenda?
20100517 18:10:02< Gambit> It might just disallow minors completely.
20100517 18:10:07< shadowmaster> just your assertion of having parental consent
20100517 18:10:18< shadowmaster> anyway, I don't want a kid messing the repo, thanks.
20100517 18:10:22< Unnheulu> Has it always been 18+?
20100517 18:10:47< PetePorty> you could just.... send a mail yourself.... saying its your parents
20100517 18:10:51< shadowmaster> at least since enough time so I could be notified of that when joining
20100517 18:11:04< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, speaking of repos, I always seem to manage to get tree conflicts in my repositry :/
20100517 18:11:21< shadowmaster> I don't doubt that, you are pretty conflictive.
20100517 18:11:39< CheeryShadowm> *ta-ching*!
20100517 18:12:26 * Unnheulu is talking here when he should be learning sdl :/
20100517 18:12:48< shadowmaster> that's why you can't learn anything. As I've said countless times, you need to study alone.
20100517 18:12:52< Gambit> Unnheulu is worried about learning sdl when he should be concerned about his lack of CFML knowledge.
20100517 18:13:07< Unnheulu> C'mon...CFML...
20100517 18:13:13< Gambit> yep.
20100517 18:13:18< Unnheulu> *Who* actually still uses that
20100517 18:13:18< shadowmaster> quit the CFML nonsense
20100517 18:13:24< Gambit> future industry standard
20100517 18:14:47< Gambit> CFML, MsAccess, and Internet Explorer.
20100517 18:14:47< PetePorty> =3
20100517 18:15:13< Unnheulu> Sometimes I can't be bothered to reply to your statements...
20100517 18:15:16< PetePorty> access rocks
20100517 18:15:26< Unnheulu> PHPMyAdmin rocks
20100517 18:15:34< Unnheulu> No...wait...sql rocks
20100517 18:15:34< shadowmaster> what?
20100517 18:15:37< shadowmaster> console mysql rocks
20100517 18:15:37< sevis> Sqlite3 is pretty decent...
20100517 18:16:17< sevis> (although if anyone knows better, please suggest)
20100517 18:16:26< Unnheulu> Does HTML5 support variables?
20100517 18:16:26< Gambit> sevis: MsAccess!
20100517 18:16:33< Unnheulu> It would be sooo cool if it did
20100517 18:16:48< sevis> Gambit: How would you use that in a bash script?
20100517 18:16:49< Gambit> Unnheulu: It'll have to if it's to replace flash.
20100517 18:17:18< Unnheulu> sevis, ah...who needs bash when you have Windows?
20100517 18:17:41< Valkier> Basic is going to make a come back. Just you wait.
20100517 18:18:03< Unnheulu> I have to learn VB in school ._.
20100517 18:18:04< sevis> Unnheulu: Sarcasm?
20100517 18:18:25< Unnheulu> Perhaps
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20100517 18:18:33< shadowmaster> HTML is not a programming language.
20100517 18:18:41< Unnheulu> I noticed that
20100517 18:18:48< shadowmaster> it's written in its name
20100517 18:19:24< Unnheulu> As I like to say, whenever someone dubs it as a programming language, a fairy gets tortured to death
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20100517 18:19:46< shadowmaster> souns like something I would say.
20100517 18:19:57< Unnheulu> Really?
20100517 18:20:10< Unnheulu> Your not just saying that to scare me...
20100517 18:20:26< shadowmaster> As I like to say, whenever someone says KDE is like Windows, an Unnheulu gets killed.
20100517 18:20:33< Gambit|Laptop> WML is a programming language!
20100517 18:20:36< Gambit|Laptop> KDE is like windows.
20100517 18:20:40< PetePorty> is welshie an alto of the nerfed pie?
20100517 18:20:47-!- mode/#wesnoth [+q *!*@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] by ChanServ
20100517 18:20:59< PetePorty> alt*
20100517 18:21:00< shadowmaster> no, WML is not a programming language.
20100517 18:21:12< shadowmaster> it's a whole different mess which shouldn't be examined too closely.
20100517 18:21:20< Unnheulu> Is yaml a scripting language?
20100517 18:21:28< Unnheulu> Wait, no it can't be scripting language >.<
20100517 18:21:34< shadowmaster> which means that I shouldn't have tried to reimplement WML in the first place :|
20100517 18:22:01< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: you are a scripting language
20100517 18:22:07< PetePorty> O.o
20100517 18:22:21< Unnheulu> Sounds like something someone my age would say
20100517 18:22:24< shadowmaster> and I don't really get the "scripting" part. I prefer to call them all "programming languages"
20100517 18:22:41< PetePorty> O.o
20100517 18:23:02< shadowmaster> if the "scripting" is just to make Perl seem inferior to C, then meh.
20100517 18:23:07< Unnheulu> I thought a programming language had to be compiled...
20100517 18:23:08< PetePorty> like I don't get the racial stuff so I prefer to call them all niggas'?
20100517 18:23:10< PetePorty> jk
20100517 18:23:16< Unnheulu> Although, even that isn't much of a difference
20100517 18:23:26< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: no, that's a programming language, interpreted, compiled, doesn't matter
20100517 18:23:58< shadowmaster> you still create programs that are executed by some greater power such as the operating system or the processor itself
20100517 18:24:09< shadowmaster> or, an interpreter.
20100517 18:24:41< PetePorty> shikadibot: hi, how have you been?
20100517 18:24:45< shadowmaster> PetePorty: no, you are not kidding
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20100517 18:25:41< Unnheulu> Out of curiosity, how do you summon ChanServ to a channel?
20100517 18:25:48< shadowmaster> /msg chanserv help set guard
20100517 18:25:52< Gambit|Laptop> Unnheulu: Black magic.
20100517 18:25:54< Unnheulu> Ok, thanks
20100517 18:26:07< Unnheulu> The op stuff is by setting some sorts of flags I believe
20100517 18:26:20< shadowmaster> it's barely useful to have chanserv here since this channel never becomes empty
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20100517 18:26:41< Unnheulu> Yeh, but, if it is empty, the title could disappear or something
20100517 18:26:55< Smar> and it's not practically there if everyone else quits
20100517 18:26:58< Gambit|Laptop> But it's not. Because shadowmaster lives here.
20100517 18:27:00< Smar> or am I wrong?
20100517 18:30:03< shadowmaster> Smar: no, you are not wrong.
20100517 18:30:07< shadowmaster> you are incomprehensible.
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20100517 18:30:38< Smar> ooooooh?
20100517 18:30:41< Smar> prove that.
20100517 18:30:54< shadowmaster> anyway, the channel never becomes empty (except during netsplits, but the server-to-server protocol takes care of that), so there's no need for chanserv guarding the channel or saving the topic
20100517 18:30:57< Gambit|Laptop> Did anyone here understand what smar said?
20100517 18:31:24< shadowmaster> may the gods bless TS6
20100517 18:31:24< Unnheulu> I love the shikadilord posts <3
20100517 18:31:34< Smar> ah
20100517 18:32:06< Smar> I meant: when everyone quits, the chanserv just ... disappears
20100517 18:32:15< shadowmaster> not if you have guard on
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20100517 18:32:20< shadowmaster> *and* if services don't go down.
20100517 18:32:25< Smar> ok... some kind of new thingy
20100517 18:32:35< Smar> originally freenode had some kind of topic memory
20100517 18:32:38< shadowmaster> not new, it's been there since around the time I joined
20100517 18:32:42< shadowmaster> like, 2007
20100517 18:32:53< Smar> it might been before that, true :)
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20100517 18:33:13< shadowmaster> before that freenode didn't use atheme services, so it's very likely a lot of stuff was different back then
20100517 18:33:34< shadowmaster> s/very likely/certain/
20100517 18:33:44< Smar> yeah
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20100517 18:43:36< Gambit|Laptop> Nothing like a few mutes to quiet down a channel.
20100517 18:44:13< shadowmaster> Gambit|Laptop: well, no one seems to have something to say.
20100517 18:44:32< Gambit|Laptop> What were we talking about before we started misbehaving?
20100517 18:45:00 * Gambit|Laptop was busy switching computers.
20100517 18:45:28< sevis> The point of calling languages `scripting'.
20100517 18:45:30< Unnheulu> Who just got muted?
20100517 18:46:33< shadowmaster> move on.
20100517 18:47:04< Gambit|Laptop> sing your song
20100517 18:47:07< Gambit|Laptop> going round the world
20100517 18:47:13< Gambit|Laptop> you gotta find your girl
20100517 18:47:50 * Unnheulu covers his ears
20100517 18:47:59< Unnheulu> Who let the cat out?
20100517 18:48:06< Gambit|Laptop> Unnheulu: You don't like misquoted led zepplin?
20100517 18:48:35< Gambit|Laptop> on your way
20100517 18:48:43< Gambit|Laptop> you've been this way 10 years to the day
20100517 18:49:48 * Unnheulu remembers the days when he first learnt to code
20100517 18:50:04< Unnheulu> I was getting very worried about misspellings in comments and stuff
20100517 18:50:42< Gambit|Laptop> Years ago in days of old when magic filled the air?
20100517 18:52:37< sevis> At least you *had* comments. >.>
20100517 18:54:39 * Valkier feels like a raging idiot.
20100517 18:56:58< Unnheulu> sevis, they were mostly copied out of a book
20100517 18:57:13< Unnheulu> Actually it was C++, but I didn't like it enough to keep using it
20100517 19:03:20< Gambit|Laptop> Anyone working on anything cool?
20100517 19:03:29< Unnheulu> Yeh, my game ;P
20100517 19:03:32< shadowmaster> yes.
20100517 19:03:49< shadowmaster> I'm working on a minimalistic IRC bot framework written in C
20100517 19:04:06< shadowmaster> because C++ and Perl weren't challenging enough.
20100517 19:04:23 * Unnheulu smirks
20100517 19:04:30< Gambit|Laptop> CFML is challenging.
20100517 19:04:36< Unnheulu> ...
20100517 19:04:38< shadowmaster> quit the CFML nonsense
20100517 19:04:40< Gambit|Laptop> Actually it's not. It's very friendly.
20100517 19:04:47< Gambit|Laptop> shadowmaster: What nonsense?
20100517 19:04:56< Gambit|Laptop> Give it a chance! :'(
20100517 19:05:03< shadowmaster> request denied
20100517 19:05:30< Gambit|Laptop> Nobody has written a working event gateway for IRC yet for CFML sadly.
20100517 19:05:44< Gambit|Laptop> s/cfml/coldfusion server
20100517 19:05:45< shadowmaster> do they have interfaces for working with raw sockets?
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20100517 19:08:18< Gambit> Dunno
20100517 19:10:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yes.
20100517 19:10:18< Gambit> At least if it's possible in java, it's possible in Coldfusion.
20100517 19:10:43< shadowmaster> then implementing an IRC client on top of that wouldn't be hard.
20100517 19:10:58< shadowmaster> not harder than implementing one on C with raw sockets. Which is what I'll do.
20100517 19:11:06< shadowmaster> which is what has been done countless times.
20100517 19:12:36< Smar> recreating the wheel.
20100517 19:12:58< Unnheulu> Is fun
20100517 19:14:08< Valkier> Someone smack me for being ridiculous, quick.
20100517 19:14:51< Gambit> Smacking an artist?
20100517 19:15:24< Gambit> That would be... attempted deicide?
20100517 19:15:31< shadowmaster> articide
20100517 19:16:08< Valkier> lol
20100517 19:16:21< Valkier> No. I just feel like an idiot, and I'll show you why in a second.
20100517 19:17:58< Valkier> Ok. Here's last nights results. http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=40902&mode=view
20100517 19:18:27< Valkier> Not bad, but it was getting really cartoony to me, and not in an intentional looking way. Metal was starting to look boring and uninteresting.
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20100517 19:18:46< Valkier> Here's this mornings outcome. http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=40909&mode=view
20100517 19:19:52< Valkier> Why I thought that previous method was going well as it was, I have no idea.
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20100517 19:23:14< Unnheulu> Is :: in C++ the same as just dumping stuff in def: in class: in python/
20100517 19:23:19< Unnheulu> I explained that bad :/
20100517 19:23:49< Unnheulu> Is class blah {} void blah::blah() {} the same as class blah: def blah()?
20100517 19:24:37< Soliton> are you asking about python or C++?
20100517 19:25:09< Soliton> your syntax is confusing.
20100517 19:25:47< Unnheulu> Would the first do the same as the second example?
20100517 19:26:26< Soliton> produce a compile error? yes!
20100517 19:26:50< Soliton> are you asking about defining a member function outside the class?
20100517 19:26:53< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100517 19:27:15< Soliton> that's what you usually do, yes.
20100517 19:27:28< Unnheulu> Ok, thanks
20100517 19:27:47< Soliton> the header should just contain the interface.
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20100517 19:36:23< Unnheulu> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=29789
20100517 19:36:23< Unnheulu> Lawl
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20100517 20:58:53< Unnheulu> Zarel, is warzone 2100 a rtt game?
20100517 20:59:00< Zarel> Kind of.
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20100517 21:20:28< louiz> I'd say "yes" instead of "kind of".
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