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20100521 00:48:02< Hulavuta> hi
20100521 00:49:08< Valkier> Howdy!
20100521 00:50:02< Gambit> programmery people: This might sound like a stupid question but do .java files have to be compiled or can I just edit them (because they open right up in notepad)?
20100521 00:50:07< Hulavuta> yeehaw
20100521 00:52:09< shadowmaster> you are funny
20100521 00:52:22< shadowmaster> that's for Gambit, not Hulavuta, who is not funny at all.
20100521 00:52:38< shadowmaster> Gambit: java is supposed to be compiled into an intermediate language
20100521 00:52:54< Hulavuta> :'(
20100521 00:52:56< shadowmaster> terminal?!noticing
20100521 00:52:57 * Gambit is sad then
20100521 00:53:00< shadowmaster> development environments such as Eclipse usually do that for you without you noticing
20100521 00:53:18 * Hulavuta is sad because he thought he was funny
20100521 00:53:43< Gambit> The pircbot framework (word?) has a joinChannel() method (word?), but the event gateway does not have that exposed to Coldfusion.
20100521 00:53:55< Gambit> I know how to do it, but I don't know how to rebuild the java afterwords.
20100521 00:54:28< shadowmaster> "word?"
20100521 00:55:04< Gambit> I don't know if those are the right words for what I mean.
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20100521 00:58:30< Gambit> oh well :(
20100521 00:59:05< Hulavuta> :-/
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20100521 01:04:05< Gambit> shadowmaster: Any reason why I can't just make it say "/join #channel"?
20100521 01:04:20< Gambit> Because that doesn't work.
20100521 01:04:43< Gambit> And that's not related to the client I thought.
20100521 01:05:16< shadowmaster> the IRC protocol command is JOIN <target> [key]
20100521 01:11:01< Hulavuta> =-O
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20100521 01:11:23< Gambit> JOIN ##ps3
20100521 01:11:28< Gambit> ?
20100521 01:11:37 * Gambit triez
20100521 01:11:38< Aethaeryn> JOIN #Wesnoth
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20100521 01:11:52< Aethaeryn> It worked.
20100521 01:11:56< Aethaeryn> I got someone to join #wesnoth :)
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20100521 01:12:15<@shadowmaster> anyone else wants to do something stupid?
20100521 01:12:21< Aethaeryn> ...
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20100521 01:12:29<@shadowmaster> I'd forgotten about Hulahula
20100521 01:12:31< Gambit> What'd we do? :(
20100521 01:12:39<@shadowmaster> being parrots
20100521 01:12:41< Aethaeryn> I hate that command. It actually *closes* the irssi window, thus resetting things and clearing logs.
20100521 01:12:47< Aethaeryn> Fuck Freenode. Never seen it on other networks.
20100521 01:13:03< Aethaeryn> Every other network is just fine with /msg chanserv kick 
20100521 01:13:14-!- Aethaeryn was kicked from #wesnoth by shadowmaster [okay :)]
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20100521 01:13:33< shadowmaster> no, seriously, I said IRC protocol
20100521 01:13:37< shadowmaster> NOT CLIENT COMMAND
20100521 01:13:38< Hulavuta> what?
20100521 01:13:48< Aethaeryn> I was joking
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20100521 01:13:51< Hulavuta> wut hapen?
20100521 01:13:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: I just figured you'd tell me if I typed it wrong.
20100521 01:14:12< Aethaeryn> But yeah...
20100521 01:14:14< shadowmaster> Gambit: you are doing it wrong indeed
20100521 01:14:18< Gambit> darn :(
20100521 01:14:18< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: You prove that it IS a bad thing to know too much.
20100521 01:14:29< Aethaeryn> I've been using IRC for almost 10 years at this point...
20100521 01:14:37< Aethaeryn> And you still run circles around me.
20100521 01:14:47 * shadowmaster draws a square around Aethaeryn 
20100521 01:14:53< Aethaeryn> If Google disappeared tomorrow, you'd be able to outdo me in anything IRC.
20100521 01:14:57< shadowmaster> let's play freeciv!
20100521 01:15:00< Aethaeryn> Google: the great equalizer.
20100521 01:15:34 * shadowmaster draws a hex around himself.
20100521 01:15:36< Aethaeryn> "Sure you spent 8 years getting this degree, but I can just Google the obscure knowledge you learned if I need it."
20100521 01:15:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: So it's impossible that just by editing those .java files something changed?
20100521 01:15:58< shadowmaster> no idea
20100521 01:16:07< shadowmaster> I'm not working in your development environment.
20100521 01:16:08< Gambit> Because it's not working properly, but nor is it throwing errors anymore.
20100521 01:16:22< Gambit> my development environment was wordpad :\
20100521 01:16:49< Aethaeryn> Gambit: do you still use Visual Basic
20100521 01:17:02< Gambit> Not since last summer.
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20100521 01:17:46< Aethaeryn> Don't like it anymore?
20100521 01:18:14< Gambit> No time.
20100521 01:18:31< Aethaeryn> Oh, for a second there I thought you grew up ;)
20100521 01:18:43< Aethaeryn> Visual Basic = a joke of a language.
20100521 01:18:47< shadowmaster> he works for Microsoft.
20100521 01:18:54< shadowmaster> so don't make anti-Microsoft jokes near him.
20100521 01:19:05< Gambit> I don't work for M$
20100521 01:19:06< Aethaeryn> I thought he just worked *on* Microsoft.
20100521 01:19:23< Aethaeryn> But it would explain the irrational love for IE.
20100521 01:19:30< Gambit> If I did I'd convince the entire labor force to go on strike until they released a game console that didn't wet it's pants because someone tried to play it. 
20100521 01:19:33< Gambit> ziiiiiing
20100521 01:19:45< Aethaeryn> Two people like IE: (1) The people who think the Internet is just the giant blue "e" on their desktop.
20100521 01:19:50< Aethaeryn> (2) IE developers.
20100521 01:20:00< shadowmaster> (3) People who don't know better.
20100521 01:20:14< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: That kinda includes 1 and 2
20100521 01:20:15< Aethaeryn> :P
20100521 01:20:16< Gambit> (4) people who actually like it
20100521 01:20:18< shadowmaster> unfortunately, (3) is still very common in many countries.
20100521 01:20:30< Gambit> IE > Firefox && IE > chrome
20100521 01:20:34< shadowmaster> (4) people who don't notice they belong to the aforementioned group in (3)
20100521 01:20:38< Aethaeryn> Oh
20100521 01:20:41< shadowmaster> ;)
20100521 01:21:02< Aethaeryn> (3b) Corporations.
20100521 01:21:02< shadowmaster> Firefox > IE
20100521 01:21:12< shadowmaster> Chrome = Firefox + 4i (???)
20100521 01:21:17< shadowmaster> so it can't be compared
20100521 01:21:17< Aethaeryn> Gambit: People who "like IE" are simply unrelated.
20100521 01:21:26< Aethaeryn> *unenlightened.
20100521 01:21:28< Aethaeryn> WHatever.
20100521 01:21:34< Aethaeryn> had my last exam, always drains my mind for the day.
20100521 01:21:58< Aethaeryn> I didn't know Firefox is now releasing imaginary number releases, though.
20100521 01:22:28< Gambit> Yeah what up with that? Firefox 4sqrt(-1)
20100521 01:22:51< shadowmaster> it's my magic trick
20100521 01:22:52< Aethaeryn> Or maybe shadowmaster meant Chrome = Firefox + 4i
20100521 01:22:56 * Gambit has a sudden urge to test sqrt(-1) in every language he knows
20100521 01:22:57< Aethaeryn> so Chrome - Firefox = 4i
20100521 01:22:58< shadowmaster> so you can't, like, compare Chrome with any other browser
20100521 01:23:07< Aethaeryn> hah, I've figured it out
20100521 01:23:09< shadowmaster> because there's no order for complex numbers
20100521 01:23:13< shadowmaster> THERE'S NO ORDER
20100521 01:23:22< Gambit> i^2
20100521 01:23:27< Gambit> ^^^^ order
20100521 01:23:32< shadowmaster> that's no order
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20100521 01:23:55< Aethaeryn> Obviously imaginary numbers don't exist.
20100521 01:24:09< Aethaeryn> Anyone who says they exist should be put in a padded cell until they realize their hallucinations.
20100521 01:24:13< shadowmaster> by order I mean comparison operations such as <, >, >=, <=
20100521 01:24:47< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: you realize you are using the product of several sciences that rely on complex numbers?
20100521 01:25:26< Aethaeryn> i*e^9 < F*F
20100521 01:25:30< Aethaeryn> There you go.
20100521 01:25:35< Aethaeryn> I just proved you wrong ;)
20100521 01:26:02< shadowmaster> ha. ha.
20100521 01:26:05< shadowmaster> haha. no really, ha ha.
20100521 01:26:09< shadowmaster> ha.
20100521 01:28:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: So I guess sending a message containing the proper syntax for JOIN won't fly?
20100521 01:28:25< shadowmaster> depends on what the hell that framework expects
20100521 01:28:29< Gambit> I guess he's doomed to only inhabit one channel.
20100521 01:28:35< shadowmaster> why don't you read the manuals instead of bothering me with badly designed crap?
20100521 01:28:38< Gambit> or at least until I learn java.
20100521 01:28:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: There are no channels.
20100521 01:29:04< Gambit> *manuals
20100521 01:29:14< shadowmaster> then get something better than that
20100521 01:29:18< Gambit> there is only one other known coldfusion IRC bot that I can find.
20100521 01:29:19< shadowmaster> or start your own
20100521 01:30:14< Aethaeryn> Gambit: coldfusion is what you're using?
20100521 01:30:22< Gambit> Yes >:)
20100521 01:30:28< Aethaeryn> When you use an obscure language expect "guess and check" to be your main method of finding proper syntax.
20100521 01:30:29< Gambit> Aethaeryn: #wesnothxp
20100521 01:30:33< Aethaeryn> Just like with WML...
20100521 01:30:41< Gambit> WML is excellently documented
20100521 01:30:51< Aethaeryn> No, it's not excellently documented.
20100521 01:31:07< Aethaeryn> It's mostly documented, but there are many things I did for Era of Tyrants that was just guess and check.
20100521 01:31:29< Aethaeryn> And workarounds of things that could've worked, apply to other tags, but unfortunately don't work under whatever certain context.
20100521 01:31:39< Aethaeryn> So I had to do a lot of complex variables.
20100521 01:31:52< Aethaeryn> Such as a variable to say when it's turn 1 that goes away at the start of turn 2
20100521 01:32:08< Aethaeryn> since there's side turn, there's side x turn y, but there's no side turn x
20100521 01:32:24< Aethaeryn> Subtle differences, but that means that you can't have something happen to all sides on a turn, which kinda hurts 3+ player MP
20100521 01:32:27< shadowmaster> WML is not excellently documented.
20100521 01:32:39< shadowmaster> there, a developer's word so that Gambit can understand.
20100521 01:32:55< Aethaeryn> So not only is WML documentation lacking in some areas, there's some logical syntax things that are missing forcing messy variable workarounds.
20100521 01:32:58< Aethaeryn> :P
20100521 01:33:07< shadowmaster> this is also a "In My Experience" assertion, btw
20100521 01:33:19< shadowmaster> I'm also guilty of not documenting WML properl.y
20100521 01:33:24< Gambit> Nope you're both wrong.
20100521 01:33:25< Gambit> Sorry.
20100521 01:33:42< shadowmaster> Gambit: LISTEN! I HAVE FORGOTTEN TO DOCUMENT WML TAGS FOR HALF OF DEVELOPMENT CYCLES!
20100521 01:33:50< shadowmaster> do you accept the truth now?
20100521 01:34:02< Gambit> Nay.
20100521 01:34:07< Gambit> One or two undocumented tags?
20100521 01:34:12< shadowmaster> at least six
20100521 01:34:12< Gambit> Not that big of a deal.
20100521 01:34:19< Gambit> Still not that big.
20100521 01:34:26< shadowmaster> I've also changed existing behavior without documenting my changes
20100521 01:34:40< shadowmaster> or deprecated stuff without warning anyone
20100521 01:35:08< shadowmaster> and I've repeatedly complained about how people forget to update the WML tags sidebar template
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20100521 01:35:30< shadowmaster> and how difficult it is to find a particular tag anyway unless your browser provides a neat search-in-this-page function
20100521 01:35:47< shadowmaster> (preferably one that doesn't bring up a modal dialog!)
20100521 01:36:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: I was wondering about that last point.
20100521 01:36:22< Gambit> If it'd be okay to give each tag it's own page.
20100521 01:36:36< shadowmaster> I think that could quickly become a mess to maintain
20100521 01:36:40< shadowmaster> not that it isn't a mess already.
20100521 01:36:47< Aethaeryn> Gambit: oh, and I mantain most of the wiki when I have the time
20100521 01:36:53< Aethaeryn> but I steer the hell away from ReferenceWML
20100521 01:37:00< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I asked you rememeber? :P
20100521 01:37:02< Gambit> Yeah that's what you said.
20100521 01:37:03< Gambit> lol
20100521 01:37:26< Aethaeryn> So where other messes I fix if I find...
20100521 01:38:42< Gambit> It won't even accept a comma seperated list for the startup channels :(
20100521 01:39:05< Gambit> *channel;
20100521 01:39:09< Gambit> *-;
20100521 01:40:49< Aethaeryn> Maybe there's a reason why certain languages are used more than others for certain tasks.
20100521 01:40:52< Aethaeryn> Such as IRC bots.
20100521 01:40:55< Aethaeryn> No one language fits all.
20100521 01:41:03< Aethaeryn> Maybe you need to do 30 lines where another is 2
20100521 01:42:07< shadowmaster> umcreg is my best bot.
20100521 01:42:11< shadowmaster> it's written in Perl.
20100521 01:42:22< shadowmaster> therefore, you should all kneel before me now.
20100521 01:42:26< Aethaeryn> meh
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20100521 01:42:35< Aethaeryn> Python is a far more elegant language than the antique Perl
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20100521 01:42:55< evilshadowmaster> kneel before me now :P
20100521 01:43:06< Aethaeryn> Bah, almost all my windows had warnings because you're in most of them :P
20100521 01:43:15< Aethaeryn> Now I know how you must feel if I change nicks :P
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20100521 01:46:31< Gambit> He feels nothing.
20100521 01:46:38< Gambit> for he is evilshadowmaster.
20100521 01:47:02< Gambit> and a jolly good fellow
20100521 01:47:48< ancestral> Heh
20100521 01:48:18< ancestral> He is speaking towards his evilness over in #wesnoth-music
20100521 01:48:29< evilshadowmaster> #wesnoth-music
20100521 01:48:35< evilshadowmaster> the channel that's not what it looks like
20100521 01:48:39< ancestral> Haha
20100521 01:48:44< ancestral> He is everywhere!
20100521 01:48:49< ancestral> :O 
20100521 01:49:28< ancestral> Bah I clicked on the wrong channel to start up convo
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20100521 02:25:47< Gambit> wow
20100521 02:26:00< Gambit> Kicked for the LULZ?
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20100521 02:36:27< Hulavuta> i has geometry question
20100521 02:38:06< ancestral> Oh?
20100521 02:38:16< Hulavuta> yes
20100521 02:38:24< ancestral> what is it?
20100521 02:39:02< Hulavuta> how do you find the area of a polygon only knowing the length of the apothem and the shape
20100521 02:39:57< ancestral> Hmm
20100521 02:40:12< ancestral> So you'd know the number of sides?
20100521 02:40:34< Hulavuta> yes
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20100521 02:41:11< ancestral> Divide it into triangles
20100521 02:41:17< ancestral> And then find the area of the triangles?
20100521 02:42:16< Hulavuta> One more question
20100521 02:42:24< Hulavuta> Do you know that for sure or are you just guessing
20100521 02:42:29< ancestral> Guessing
20100521 02:42:39< ancestral> I mean
20100521 02:42:43< Gambit> Know. He knows it for sure.
20100521 02:42:46< ancestral> Unless it's a perfect polygon
20100521 02:42:51< Gambit> All polygons can be divided into triangles.
20100521 02:42:56< Hulavuta> I know, but then...
20100521 02:43:03< ancestral> I don't know if you would have enough information
20100521 02:43:07< Gambit> But I doubt you can easily find the area of the triangles.
20100521 02:43:12< ancestral> Unless all the sides are the same length
20100521 02:43:20< ancestral> And same angles
20100521 02:43:29< ancestral> If they are, then you can
20100521 02:43:32< Gambit> If it's a regular polygon then there are formulas.
20100521 02:43:50< Hulavuta> It's a regular
20100521 02:44:44< ancestral> So same sized sides and actual acute angles?
20100521 02:45:00< ancestral> Okay I tried too hard on that question to make it cute
20100521 02:45:11< Hulavuta> lol
20100521 02:45:24< Hulavuta> yes, same sized sides and I believe that they are all acute angles.
20100521 02:46:00< Hulavuta> No wait, all are 108?
20100521 02:46:32< Hulavuta> So all are obtuse
20100521 02:46:52< Hulavuta> "GIVE ME THE SECRET FORMULA!!!!"-Plankton
20100521 02:47:25< ancestral> Heh
20100521 02:47:29< ancestral> k
20100521 02:47:32< ancestral> Google it?
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20100521 02:47:47< Gambit> ancestral: They don't all have to be acute.
20100521 02:47:47< ancestral> But let me see if I can drive it
20100521 02:47:52< Gambit> They just have to be equal.
20100521 02:47:53< ancestral> Gambit: I know
20100521 02:47:55< Hulavuta> I did, but I was hoping Gambit knew it
20100521 02:48:11< Hulavuta> The google search didn't bring up much 
20100521 02:48:24< ancestral> Okay so A = ½ bh
20100521 02:48:32< Gambit> wrong.
20100521 02:48:34< ancestral> base is given
20100521 02:48:40< Hulavuta> That's for Triangles
20100521 02:48:42< ancestral> of a triangle
20100521 02:48:43< Gambit> A = 1/2aP
20100521 02:48:44< ancestral> correct
20100521 02:48:53< Hulavuta> what is aP?
20100521 02:49:02< Gambit> well yeah actually if you do A=n(1/2bh)
20100521 02:49:08< Gambit> ^disregard
20100521 02:49:10< Gambit> that's not true
20100521 02:49:12< ancestral> :)
20100521 02:49:13< Gambit> 1/2ap
20100521 02:49:15< ancestral> Okay so
20100521 02:49:16< Gambit> *aP
20100521 02:49:23< Gambit> A=1/2aP
20100521 02:49:25< Gambit> Final answer.
20100521 02:49:38< ancestral> P = π?
20100521 02:49:47< Gambit> P=perimeter
20100521 02:49:50< Gambit> a=apothem
20100521 02:49:56< Hulavuta> I don't get the perimeter though....
20100521 02:50:07< ancestral> Do you get the length of the sides?
20100521 02:50:11< ancestral> of any side?
20100521 02:50:14< ancestral> Wait
20100521 02:50:15< Hulavuta> No, just the length of the apothem
20100521 02:50:16< ancestral> you don't need that
20100521 02:50:17< ancestral> k
20100521 02:50:20< ancestral> You shouldn't need it
20100521 02:50:26< Gambit> Hulavuta: use your geometry skills
20100521 02:50:29< ancestral> It should be the ame as the apothem
20100521 02:50:32< Gambit> make a right triangle
20100521 02:50:34< Gambit> ancestral: wrong
20100521 02:50:37< ancestral> No?
20100521 02:50:37< Gambit> the apothem is a radii
20100521 02:50:39< Gambit> not a side.
20100521 02:51:06< Gambit> Hulavuta: make a right triangle with the apothem as a leg, and a side as the base.
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20100521 02:51:18< Hulavuta> And then use trig
20100521 02:51:22 * ancestral defers to Gambit :)
20100521 02:51:25< Hulavuta> Right?
20100521 02:51:32< Hulavuta> Ohhhh!!!
20100521 02:51:44< Hulavuta> So I use trig to find the last side, and then do the base x height...
20100521 02:51:45< ancestral> And then x the number of triangles you would find…
20100521 02:51:57< Gambit> Find the side length.
20100521 02:52:01< Gambit> Multiply that by the number of sides
20100521 02:52:06< Gambit> multiply by length of apothem
20100521 02:52:08< Gambit> cut in half.
20100521 02:52:34< Hulavuta> Is there a mathematical way to figure out the amount of triangles?
20100521 02:52:44< Gambit> You don't need to know the number of triangles.
20100521 02:53:12< Gambit> It's too bad you don't go to my school.
20100521 02:53:19< Gambit> I start tutoring in 7 minutes :P
20100521 02:53:40< Hulavuta> lol.
20100521 02:53:56< Hulavuta> Here, it would be 9:00 PM in 7 minutes, which is not school time
20100521 02:54:04< Hulavuta> Are you a teacher?
20100521 02:54:10< Gambit> It's going to be 9:00 here too.
20100521 02:54:16< Hulavuta> PM?
20100521 02:54:26< Gambit> The school holds online open tutoring 6-midnight teusdays and thursdays
20100521 02:54:36< Gambit> Hulavuta: yes
20100521 02:54:47< Gambit> *no then yes
20100521 02:54:49< Hulavuta> The bottom angle is 90 degrees right?
20100521 02:55:19< Hulavuta> what's that rule with the 45-45-90 triangles?
20100521 02:55:33< Gambit> Hulavuta: The text book is most helpful.
20100521 02:55:42< Hulavuta> too lazy for text books
20100521 02:55:56< Hulavuta> Finer..
20100521 02:56:02< Hulavuta> *fine...
20100521 02:56:26< Gambit> How do you know its a 45-45-90?
20100521 02:56:45< Hulavuta> Isn't the apothem perpendicular to the side?
20100521 02:57:06< Gambit> yes so that gives you a 90
20100521 02:57:13< Gambit> the other angles would depend upon the number of sides.
20100521 02:57:28< Gambit> ((n-2)*180)/n
20100521 02:57:44< Gambit> wait nevermind.
20100521 02:57:52< Gambit> How many sides does this thing have?
20100521 02:58:02< Hulavuta> The triangle or the pentagon?
20100521 02:59:36< Hulavuta> The ratio of area is the ratio of the perimeter squared right?
20100521 03:01:33< Gambit> It's not a 45-45-90
20100521 03:01:54< Hulavuta> why not?
20100521 03:02:18< Gambit> because the total of the interior angles is (n-2)180
20100521 03:02:32< Gambit> (5-2)180
20100521 03:02:36< Gambit> 3*180
20100521 03:02:42< Hulavuta> I meant the triangle
20100521 03:02:44< Gambit> 540
20100521 03:02:48< Hulavuta> It's a 90 45 45 triangle
20100521 03:02:48< Gambit> 540/5
20100521 03:02:51< Gambit> No it's not.
20100521 03:02:56< Gambit> 108
20100521 03:02:59< Gambit> 108/2
20100521 03:03:01< Gambit> 54
20100521 03:03:06< Gambit> So it's a 90-54-?
20100521 03:03:08< Gambit> 36
20100521 03:03:11< Hulavuta> wut
20100521 03:03:20< Hulavuta> A triangle has 180 degrees in it, correct?
20100521 03:03:25< Gambit> Yeah.
20100521 03:03:45< Hulavuta> And the apothem is perpendicular to the pentagon's side right?
20100521 03:03:50< Gambit> Yes
20100521 03:03:58< Hulavuta> So it's 90
20100521 03:04:05< Hulavuta> That makes it a 90 45 45 triangle
20100521 03:04:07< Gambit> No
20100521 03:04:10< Gambit> It has a 90
20100521 03:04:15< Gambit> but the other two are not 45's
20100521 03:04:23< Hulavuta> Okay
20100521 03:04:32< Gambit> You can't assume these things (tm)
20100521 03:04:46< Gambit> Hulavuta: You'll have to transfer to Connections Academy so I can draw it for you :D
20100521 03:04:47< Gambit> lol
20100521 03:04:56< Hulavuta> Where is it? Lol
20100521 03:05:01< Gambit> Everywhere.
20100521 03:05:03< Gambit> It's digital.
20100521 03:05:12< Gambit> cyber
20100521 03:05:13< Gambit> e
20100521 03:05:14< Gambit> online
20100521 03:05:19< Gambit> teh interwebz
20100521 03:05:25< Hulavuta> Does it cost teh moneyz?
20100521 03:05:36< Gambit> Yes. It costs whatever your states school tax is :P
20100521 03:05:42< Gambit> Out of your parents pay checks.
20100521 03:05:47< Gambit> It's public school
20100521 03:05:49< Gambit> It's just online.
20100521 03:06:11< Gambit> The state sends them the money that would normally go towards your education at your local highschool
20100521 03:06:29< Gambit> Actually they only get 3/4 of it.
20100521 03:06:30< Gambit> Go figure.
20100521 03:06:51< Gambit> they teach twice as much and twice as well on 3/4 the money per student.
20100521 03:06:53< Hulavuta> I'm taking math online next year, but it's from Florida Virtual School,
20100521 03:08:18< Gambit> If only there were some sort of free online whiteboard service
20100521 03:08:47< Hulavuta> Urrgggg.....
20100521 03:08:53< Gambit> oh look at that :D
20100521 03:08:55< Hulavuta> I'm gooing to fail tomorrows test
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20100521 03:15:58< Hulavuta> Gambit what happen
20100521 03:16:06< Gambit> I left.
20100521 03:16:22< Gambit> Sorry I can't do that :\
20100521 03:16:53< Hulavuta> wut u mean
20100521 03:18:17< Hulavuta> What do I do after I get the area of the triangle????
20100521 03:18:26< Hulavuta> ancestral help me!!!
20100521 03:18:30< Gambit> You don't need the area of the triangle
20100521 03:18:37< Gambit> you just need to find the length of a side on the pentago
20100521 03:18:40< ancestral> Hmm?
20100521 03:18:48< Hulavuta> oh
20100521 03:18:52< Gambit> once you have a side
20100521 03:18:54< Gambit> you can find the perimeter
20100521 03:19:00< ancestral> Or can you multiply by the number of triangles?
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20100521 03:19:01< ancestral> I mean
20100521 03:19:01< Gambit> once you have the perimeter you can find the area of the shape
20100521 03:19:03< Hulavuta> And then area is perimeter squared
20100521 03:19:11< Hulavuta> rite?
20100521 03:19:11< Gambit> ancestral: true
20100521 03:19:18< ancestral> yeah
20100521 03:19:21< Gambit> area of triangle times two times number of sides
20100521 03:19:23< Gambit> for a regular polygon
20100521 03:19:38< Hulavuta> How do I find the area of it with perimeter
20100521 03:21:20< Gambit> Hulavuta: A=aP
20100521 03:21:29< Gambit> *A=1/2aP
20100521 03:21:49< Gambit> Hulavuta: http://www.mathwords.com/a/area_regular_polygon.htm
20100521 03:22:09< Hulavuta> oh.
20100521 03:22:10< Hulavuta> Okay
20100521 03:22:45< Hulavuta> I think I get it!
20100521 03:22:46< Hulavuta> Thanka
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20100521 04:30:24< Gambit> Did I ever tell you how I got this scar?
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20100521 05:13:53< un214> anybody play Final Exam yet?
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20100521 05:37:53< Aethaeryn> un214: I just finished my final exams. I think I did well. Hopefully got As on them.
20100521 05:37:56< Aethaeryn> You?
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20100521 05:39:56< un214> I graduated years ago
20100521 05:40:04< un214> I was referring to the campaign final exam
20100521 05:40:36< Aethaeryn> Single player campaigns are *so* 2008
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20100521 05:41:10< Aethaeryn> (That's why I'm probably going to work on one this summer.)
20100521 05:45:19< Aethaeryn> (A SP campaign)
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20100521 06:13:10< sneakers> How do I change the windowed mode display resolution in wesnoth 1.8.8?
20100521 06:13:15< sneakers> er 1.8.1
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20100521 06:36:45< sneakers> oh i see it now. it is in the menu once you start a game.  but its not in the menu before you start a game.
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20100521 06:53:30< sneakers> Why can I choose 1440x900 but not 1280x800?
20100521 06:53:36< sneakers> They are both 16:10 aspect ratio.
20100521 06:58:29< sneakers> is there a way to disable the mouse from scrolling the screen on the edges?
20100521 06:59:25< sneakers> neverming found it in the advanced button
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20100521 16:49:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> Man, its hot here
20100521 16:49:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> *uber hot
20100521 16:49:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> *23c hot
20100521 16:49:48 * Gambit makes joke about "hell already?"
20100521 17:04:42< fendrin> Unnheulu|Laptop: I just dislike reading the word "über" without "ü". If you don't manage to type an "ü" then use "ue" instead.
20100521 17:05:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> *ueber hot
20100521 17:05:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> British keyboards don't have accents >.>
20100521 17:06:08< elias> i think americans actually pronounce it "uber"
20100521 17:06:09< fendrin> Unnheulu|Laptop: If fact, we germans rarely use "über" in that context. "Ober hot" would be more correct.
20100521 17:06:31< fendrin> "Obergeil" 
20100521 17:07:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> *Obergeil then :/
20100521 17:07:05< elias> "oberhammergeil"
20100521 17:08:45 * Unnheulu|Laptop doesn't speak german :/
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20100521 17:09:11< fendrin> elias: Are you german?
20100521 17:09:26< Ivanovic> fendrin: worse
20100521 17:09:28< Ivanovic> ;)
20100521 17:09:29< elias> kinda (i'm in austria)
20100521 17:09:43< fendrin> elias: I see.
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20100521 17:09:57< fendrin> Ivanovic: worse?
20100521 17:10:09< Ivanovic> yeah, this dialect is almost a language of its own
20100521 17:10:22< elias> we're worse than bavarians I guess, yeah :P
20100521 17:10:44< Ivanovic> sometimes dutch feels closer to german than austrian german...
20100521 17:10:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> Where is Bavara?
20100521 17:11:02< elias> in the south
20100521 17:11:41< elias> Ivanovic is a northerner :P
20100521 17:11:56< Ivanovic> elias: nah, a westerner would be more correct
20100521 17:11:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> Baltic?
20100521 17:11:57< Ivanovic> ;)
20100521 17:12:58< Ivanovic> yogihh is a northerner
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20100521 17:16:40< bwallum> Hi, can Wesnoth run on 64bit Ubuntu Lucid?
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20100521 17:17:48< Ivanovic> sure
20100521 17:19:04< bwallum> Then why does it not respond on a completely clean new install?
20100521 17:19:15< Gambit> Sounds like that SDL thinger.
20100521 17:19:21< Gambit> bwallum: what do you mean by not respond?
20100521 17:19:23< Ivanovic> because the libsdl they ship is horribly broken
20100521 17:19:24< Gambit> Can't click buttons?
20100521 17:19:46< bwallum> The initial map appears, the buttons highligh, but can't click buttons...yes Gambit
20100521 17:20:06< Gambit> You need to switch to fullscreen or downgrade libsdl I think.
20100521 17:20:32< bwallum> How do i switch to fullscreen?
20100521 17:20:43< Soliton> ctrl+f
20100521 17:20:57< bwallum> ...off to try...
20100521 17:21:55< bwallum> ctrl f did it...thank you!
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20100521 17:40:57< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: You make me sad :(
20100521 17:41:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> YOU IZ A SHOWOFF!
20100521 17:41:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> :(:(:(
20100521 17:41:40< Gambit> Yeah but you didn't have to leave :'(
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20100521 17:42:25< Gambit> He's written entirely in CFML!
20100521 17:42:37< Gambit> except for the really big back end part in java.
20100521 17:42:39< Gambit> XD
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20100521 17:43:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> Fanboy :/
20100521 17:43:58< Gambit> and Chumchum?
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20100521 17:44:27< Gambit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy_and_Chum_Chum
20100521 17:44:44< Gambit> You can be chum chum.
20100521 17:47:49< Unnheulu|Laptop> *facepalm*
20100521 17:48:07< Unnheulu|Laptop> Sometimes I really wish I was a mod
20100521 17:48:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> *op
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20100521 17:51:50< Gambit> Unnheulu|Laptop: start your own channel :D
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20100521 18:16:58< Ken_Oh> hey guys, i'm having a real hard time with unpetrify/filter_location http://pastebin.com/L6KCTfGG
20100521 18:17:46< Ken_Oh> i want it to unpetrify the units 14 hexes away from the x,y there. instead, it unpetrifies everything on the map.
20100521 18:20:58< Soliton> you need to use a SUF.
20100521 18:21:09< Soliton> as it says in the wiki.
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20100521 18:23:33< Ken_Oh> filter_location is a SUF
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20100521 18:24:37< Ken_Oh> or, it's listed as such in the wiki
20100521 18:25:05< Soliton> it's one of the tags in a SUF.
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20100521 18:25:47< Soliton> i'd try [filter] [filter_location]...
20100521 18:27:44 * Unnheulu wonders how the developers manage to avoid code conflicts...
20100521 18:28:09< elias> they use version control
20100521 18:28:30< Unnheulu> Svn always throws conflicts if I edit the same file on my lappy and pc...
20100521 18:28:46< elias> well, you're supposed to commit right after editing
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20100521 18:29:01< Unnheulu> Sometimes when you have broken code, its not ideal
20100521 18:29:28< elias> well, Wesnoth devs hopefully never break code :)
20100521 18:29:34< Unnheulu> Heh
20100521 18:29:59< Unnheulu> Its just, with so many devs, surely at some point, two will change the same code
20100521 18:30:08< Ken_Oh> Soliton: thanks. that worked, but i have no idea why...
20100521 18:30:30< elias> yeah, but mostly they will work on specific parts (and coordinate in #wesnoth-dev)
20100521 18:30:46< Soliton> Ken_Oh: because that is the correct syntax? :-)
20100521 18:31:17< Ken_Oh> so, a tag needs a [filter] tag when a key doesn't?
20100521 18:31:27< Soliton> Ken_Oh: looks like usually it explicitely states the [filter] part so you could improve the wiki there.
20100521 18:31:39< Soliton> what?
20100521 18:31:39< Ken_Oh> oh, got ya
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20100521 18:34:57< Soliton> you can play pacman on google, btw.
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20100521 18:35:42< Ken_Oh> haha, yeah, saw that
20100521 18:35:50< Ken_Oh> i'm not good on that map
20100521 18:36:17< Ken_Oh> OK, editted the wiki to reflect how (un)petrify works
20100521 18:36:24< Ken_Oh> thanks for the help.
20100521 18:36:35< Soliton> no problem.
20100521 18:37:30< Unnheulu> Eurgh, I'm not finding the warzone2100 tutorial very helpful
20100521 18:38:06< Unnheulu> hmm, this seems like a modern stronghold 2
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20100521 18:41:40< Ken_Oh> omg, google pacman is two player. WASD controls miss pacman
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20100521 19:54:09< Ken_Oh> ok, next issue. doesn't filter_vision work for AI sides?
20100521 19:54:33< Ken_Oh> (trying to use that because sighted is supposedly buggy)
20100521 19:55:32< Ken_Oh> i put this into the tutorial http://pastebin.com/Tsfyyr3y that moveto always fires. that is, unless i put fog=yes on side 2. then, it never fires, no matter how close you get to the fencer.
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20100521 20:57:47< Gambit> The first panel on today's XKCD sums up my thoughts exactly on IE vs everything else. Windows vs the other two. Coldfusion vs PHP. Etc.
20100521 20:58:40< Gambit> Open is only good if it's good like wesnoth.
20100521 20:58:48< Gambit> Using open stuff for the sake of openness? no.
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20100521 20:59:13< Gambit> wesnoth, gimp, apache, etc.
20100521 21:00:51< Valkier> Don't like gimp.
20100521 21:02:03< Valkier> Feels like trying to drive a car that was cut in half. Only one half has the engine and the other has the steering wheel.
20100521 21:02:11< sevis> Which is precisely the reason the open source users here use it...
20100521 21:03:03< Valkier> I'm saying that if you are serious about it, I'd pony up the cash for photoshop.
20100521 21:03:15< Gambit> But if you're not, it does everything you need.
20100521 21:03:22< Gambit> And does them quite well (imo).
20100521 21:03:39< Sacho> I don't get it
20100521 21:03:58< Sacho> IE vs everything else? Windows vs the other two? Coldfusion vs php?
20100521 21:03:59< Valkier> Fair enough.
20100521 21:04:07< shadowmaster> I didn't get it.
20100521 21:04:16< shadowmaster> therefore, someone must die.
20100521 21:04:25 * Gambit dies.
20100521 21:04:29< Valkier> I'll draw the corpse and make it a unit portrait!
20100521 21:04:33< shadowmaster> oh good, a volunteer
20100521 21:04:58 * Valkier loves shadowmaster
20100521 21:05:16< shadowmaster> I won't reciprocate that feeling
20100521 21:05:24< Valkier> I feel it in your fists.
20100521 21:05:35< Gambit> shadowmaster: Make your feelings perpendicular.
20100521 21:05:48< Gambit> Negatively reciprocate them. 8)
20100521 21:06:05< shadowmaster> ha.
20100521 21:06:09< shadowmaster> ha ha.
20100521 21:06:11< shadowmaster> ha.
20100521 21:06:12< Valkier> Perpendicular would emply that at one point, he would feel the same...
20100521 21:06:18< Valkier> imply*
20100521 21:08:02< Sacho> orthogonal usually means "unrelated to"
20100521 21:08:16< Valkier> 8 way oral you say?
20100521 21:08:38< Gambit> That's just...
20100521 21:08:57< shadowmaster> Gambit: why is your bot spamming me?
20100521 21:09:13< Gambit> Because I am "tell"ing it to.
20100521 21:09:17< Gambit> xD
20100521 21:09:43< shadowmaster> how nice.
20100521 21:09:54< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm teaching it to check the forums for new posts and alert #wesnothxp
20100521 21:10:04< shadowmaster> wowzers.
20100521 21:10:27< Gambit> It already does it on request with "forum last"
20100521 21:10:32< Gambit> Now I have to make it automated.
20100521 21:10:41< Gambit> But it'll only automatically do forum number 36
20100521 21:10:46< Gambit> The rest are on request only.
20100521 21:10:51< Gambit> Since thier post rates are so high.
20100521 21:10:58< Gambit> And they have nothing to do with #wesnothxp
20100521 21:14:00< shadowmaster> Gambit: what's your bot doing now? :/
20100521 21:14:22< Gambit> Expressing it's outrage at you kicking me from #wesnoth-umc-dev :o
20100521 21:14:31< shadowmaster> I didn't kick you.
20100521 21:14:31< Gambit> And hitting on shikadibot.
20100521 21:14:34< shadowmaster> I forced you to part.
20100521 21:16:05< shadowmaster> it's "its", by the way
20100521 21:16:13< Gambit> Yeah...
20100521 21:16:18< shadowmaster> "its" is a possessive. "it's" is a constraction of "IT IS".
20100521 21:16:23< Gambit> Yes.
20100521 21:16:25< Gambit> -_-
20100521 21:17:20 * Gambit advertises #wesnothxp a few more times.
20100521 21:17:29< shadowmaster> don't.
20100521 21:18:44< Valkier> Kinda douchey.
20100521 21:18:52< Valkier> Now if I join it it will only be to spam it.
20100521 21:19:21< Gambit> Valkier: We need an artist that specializes in blood.
20100521 21:19:21< Gambit> :D
20100521 21:19:40< Gambit> Or we would if someone filled out the proper paperwork.
20100521 21:19:50< Valkier> You mean there's a list of people there that I can write down, never to do work for?
20100521 21:20:07< Gambit> Valkier: Yes! You should go get it!
20100521 21:21:20< Valkier> Done!
20100521 21:21:57< Gambit> Valkier: You don't like the fork either?
20100521 21:22:29< Gambit> Imagine it as a spoon then.
20100521 21:22:32< Valkier> No idea what that is.
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20100521 21:36:10< shadowmaster> google o_O
20100521 21:47:44< Gambit> yep
20100521 21:47:50< Gambit> you can play their logo <3
20100521 21:51:46< Gambit> it's also 2 player
20100521 21:53:08< Valkier> Alls I know is I just got a smart phone finally, and now my android requires Wesnoth.
20100521 21:53:44< Valkier> Someone will answer to my demand!
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20100521 22:05:24< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, I was thinking the same thing
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