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20100527 00:05:55< Valkier> Nooo! Gambit!
20100527 00:06:07< Gambit|Laptop> Nooo! Valkier!
20100527 00:06:16< Valkier> I love you!
20100527 00:06:28< Gambit|Laptop> I know.
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20100527 00:07:00< Gambit|Laptop> Quick, someone do Chewie's weird throat gargling yell.
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20100527 00:07:23< Valkier> I just did!
20100527 00:07:34< Valkier> I wish we had a ventrillo server.
20100527 00:07:44< Gambit|Laptop> I guess this means I have to go into carbon freezing now doesn't it?
20100527 00:07:50< Gambit|Laptop> Downside :
20100527 00:09:46< Valkier> You are no Han Solo!
20100527 00:10:04< Valkier> You're more like that little alien guy that helps him fly his ship in the last movie.
20100527 00:10:13< VurtualRuler98> or lando maybe
20100527 00:10:31< VurtualRuler98> You'd make a good Lando.
20100527 00:11:04< Valkier> I AM Lando.
20100527 00:11:14< VurtualRuler98> No, I am sparticus.
20100527 00:11:44< Valkier> No, this is Patrick.
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20100527 00:21:35< Gambit|Laptop> Valkier: You do realize that Lando owns a whole planet right?
20100527 00:21:38< Gambit|Laptop> And he's super cool.
20100527 00:21:58< Valkier> He owns and station. :-P
20100527 00:22:04< Gambit|Laptop> And he designs these kick-arse robots that save the entire galaxy from the Yuzahn Vong
20100527 00:22:14< Valkier> He designs KFC.
20100527 00:22:39< Valkier> Darn. Now I want a Double Down...
20100527 00:22:48< Blarumyrran> Lando was the black guy?
20100527 00:22:57< Valkier> If you want to call him that.
20100527 00:23:32< Valkier> He also gave Han Solo over to the Empire!
20100527 00:23:32< Blarumyrran> Well there are just 2 black guys in star wars
20100527 00:23:38< Valkier> Really?
20100527 00:23:43< Valkier> Who was the other?
20100527 00:23:46< Blarumyrran> That I know of!
20100527 00:23:50< Blarumyrran> samuel jackson
20100527 00:24:00< Valkier> He was in the prequels. We don't speak of those.
20100527 00:24:07< Blarumyrran> I don't remember who he was but I think he was somewhere in star wars
20100527 00:24:09< Valkier> But he was the baddest Jedi in all of the past future.
20100527 00:24:09< Blarumyrran> Ah.
20100527 00:24:23< Blarumyrran> I bet
20100527 00:24:37< Valkier> He should have been able to kill the Emperor with his BAMF wallet.
20100527 00:24:42< Blarumyrran> *swoosh* "Sorry, did I break your concentration?"
20100527 00:24:45< Valkier> Just whip it out and toss it in his face.
20100527 00:25:06< Gambit|Laptop> James Earl Jones
20100527 00:25:48< Valkier> I guess you could make the argument that Vader is black.
20100527 00:26:02< Gambit|Laptop> Valkier: His actor was white, his voice was black.
20100527 00:26:03< Blarumyrran> Iirc he was green
20100527 00:26:09< Gambit|Laptop> I don't see how any of this matters :\
20100527 00:26:14< Blarumyrran> (with the mask removed)
20100527 00:26:16< Valkier> He was in a black suit.
20100527 00:26:29< Blarumyrran> green or blue or something like that
20100527 00:26:44< Blarumyrran> But maybe it was just the lighting
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20100527 00:27:55< Valkier> I think we're all missing the real hero here.
20100527 00:28:04< Valkier> That thing that lives in the trash compactor.
20100527 00:28:39< Blarumyrran> Your mother?
20100527 00:29:01< Valkier> Lies!
20100527 00:29:05< Valkier> That was my aunt.
20100527 00:30:47< Valkier> So what's the craziest fast food sandwich out right now?
20100527 00:30:51< Valkier> As in least healthy for you.
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20100527 00:47:34< Christheturtle> Hai.
20100527 00:47:41< Valkier> Yo
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20100527 00:59:47< Morath> Maybe somebody here can help me. I am trying to publish an add-on and regardless of which add-on type i use from http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PblWML#type I get the error message: "You did not specify a known type for the add-on in the .pbl file."
20100527 01:00:31< Valkier> Would probably have better luck in #wesnoth-dev
20100527 01:00:36< zookeeper> here is fine
20100527 01:01:02< zookeeper> well, in which dir do you have your .pbl file and what is its filename?
20100527 01:01:15< zookeeper> but then again i guess it's correct if you get the upload option at all
20100527 01:01:23< zookeeper> pastebin the file's contents?
20100527 01:01:44< Morath> filename: _server.pbl in the add-on's folder
20100527 01:02:32< Morath> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/66p8ayDP
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20100527 01:03:00< zookeeper> hmmh
20100527 01:04:09< zookeeper> no idea why that would give such an error
20100527 01:04:33< zookeeper> i'll quickly compare with one of my own...
20100527 01:04:48< Morath> Me neither since I can upload another add-on without trouble.
20100527 01:05:18< Aethaeryn> Could be something else in the .pbl file.
20100527 01:05:29< Aethaeryn> Sometimes the error is misleading and something else is causing the problem.
20100527 01:06:10< zookeeper> Morath, well...sounds like a bug to me
20100527 01:06:34< zookeeper> if i were you i'd probably make sure the order of the keys is the same as in the working .pbl file
20100527 01:06:46< Morath> Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Ok, I will try that.
20100527 01:07:02< zookeeper> it shouldn't matter of course, but pretty much the only thing i can think of (besides adding the password line)
20100527 01:07:45< zookeeper> of course you can then just try using a direct copy of the working .pbl file
20100527 01:08:01< zookeeper> if that works, then replace stuff line by line until you stumble across the part which makes it break
20100527 01:08:31< zookeeper> but i gotta be going, i hope you find what's causing it
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20100527 01:09:58< Morath> Using an exact copy of the working .pbl file causes the same error.
20100527 01:17:39< Christheturtle> Really?
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20100527 01:21:57< Morath> Yes. It is incomprehensible to me. Maybe it has something to do with the folders (since that is about the only thing I can think of that differs).
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20100527 01:27:20< Christheturtle> What Operating system do you use?
20100527 01:29:07< Christheturtle> And has it ever happened before?
20100527 01:29:51< Morath> Windows 7. It has never happened before (although this is only the second add-on I have tried uploading).
20100527 01:34:31< Christheturtle> I use Windows 7 and linux mint 8 and it's never happened on either.
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20100527 01:41:10< Morath> Copying all the files from the folder "Peninsula_Survival" to "test" fixes the problem... It would seem to be the add-on foldername somehow.
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20100527 02:30:22< [Relic]> Hello :)
20100527 02:30:29< Valkier> Howdy!
20100527 02:31:03< [Relic]> :)
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20100527 02:40:04< Christheturtle> Hello there.
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20100527 02:57:10< Hulavuta> Is it okay to revive a sticky?
20100527 02:57:24< noy> depends
20100527 02:57:38< Hulavuta> on what
20100527 02:59:27< noy> if its pertinent?
20100527 03:00:33< Hulavuta> Okay, to be more specific, the User Art Topic has not had a post since April, is it okay if I post a picture there?
20100527 03:01:52< Gambit> Hulavuta: yes.
20100527 03:02:01< Gambit> It's been stickied to be autoprune immune.
20100527 03:02:11< Gambit> So that people can keep posting in it
20100527 03:02:15< Gambit> Even if it goes through a lull
20100527 03:02:44< noy> well its in user art, so it would never been pruned...
20100527 03:03:13< Gambit> noy: Theres a thread for non-wesnoth art in Off Topic
20100527 03:03:18< noy> ah
20100527 03:10:14< Gambit> There are people out there now who wesnoth is older than, that are old enough to understand and play it.
20100527 03:10:16< Gambit> Scary.
20100527 03:10:55< Hulavuta> Like all Wesnoth players' sons?
20100527 03:12:27< noy> Yeah I can see that
20100527 03:12:31< noy> seven years....
20100527 03:12:41< Blarumyrran> At least 3 countries are younger than that
20100527 03:12:45< noy> I've been playing this game for too long. 
20100527 03:18:57< Hulavuta> 2003
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20100527 03:31:55< bp0> in the legend of wesmere, the horse guy who picked up the gold never drops it
20100527 03:32:05< bp0> even after the battle back at kalailawhatever
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20100527 03:36:55< Hulavuta> Cool story bro
20100527 03:38:27< bp0> i mean, he's got the gold icon like he is carrying it, even after it was left
20100527 03:38:33< bp0> i think it is a mistake
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20100527 05:07:13< Hectichermit> hi
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20100527 05:15:33< Zarel> noy: You there?
20100527 05:15:36< noy> yes
20100527 05:16:40< Zarel> noy: Wanna check out my awesome question-answering bot?
20100527 05:16:57< Zarel> QMarkAI: Who am I?
20100527 05:16:58< QMarkAI> Zarel: You don't know who you are? Tsk, tsk, tsk... 
20100527 05:17:05< Zarel> QMarkAI: Who are you?
20100527 05:17:05< QMarkAI> Zarel: I am an evil force sent to take over the world! Just kidding. I'm an artifical intelligence algorithm. I answer questions for humans. 
20100527 05:17:14< noy> heh, I guess you are serious :p
20100527 05:18:17< Kenpachi> QMarkAI: 
20100527 05:18:17< QMarkAI> Kenpachi: I don't know how to answer that question. 
20100527 05:18:37< Kenpachi> gah, stupid keyboard
20100527 05:18:51< Christheturtle> Has anyone here ever had an issue with Silverfish in their house/appartment?
20100527 05:19:01< Blarumyrran> QMarkAI, Who killed Kennedy?
20100527 05:19:01< QMarkAI> Blarumyrran: A person. Oh, you can't say I'm wrong on that, can you? 
20100527 05:19:02< Kenpachi> QMarkAI: What do you know?
20100527 05:19:03< QMarkAI> Kenpachi: Many things. 
20100527 05:19:18< Kenpachi> QMarkAI: What do you know about Wesnoth?
20100527 05:19:19< QMarkAI> Kenpachi: Many things. 
20100527 05:19:37< Christheturtle> Because they are driving me crazy.
20100527 05:19:37< Kenpachi> QMarkAI: What is Battle for Wesnoth
20100527 05:19:38< QMarkAI> Kenpachi: It is battle for wesnoth. 
20100527 05:20:01< Kenpachi> Christheturtle; use mothballs 
20100527 05:20:13< Christheturtle> QMarkAI: What is the meaning of life?
20100527 05:20:13< QMarkAI> Christheturtle: That is for you to discover for yourself. After all, the three most important secrets are: 1. Don't tell all your secrets. (If you were expecting '42', try asking "Is 42 the meaning of life?") 
20100527 05:20:22< Christheturtle> QMarkAI: Is 42 the meaning of life?
20100527 05:20:23< QMarkAI> Christheturtle: 42 is the answer to the Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. That's NOT the same thing as the meaning of life. 
20100527 05:20:31< Christheturtle> Zarel: I always have, and always will love this bot.
20100527 05:20:35< Christheturtle> Wesnothxp ftw.
20100527 05:20:35< Zarel> ^_^
20100527 05:21:22< Christheturtle> Kenpachi: You've had an infestation aswell?
20100527 05:21:39< noy> wesnothxp?
20100527 05:21:54< Christheturtle> noy: /join #wesnothxp
20100527 05:22:00< Christheturtle> It's dead at this time though.
20100527 05:22:02< noy> umm maybe I shouldn't
20100527 05:22:07< Kenpachi> no, I use them as a preventive 
20100527 05:23:06< Christheturtle> They're so annoying. They're harmless to humans, infact they flee at the sight of humans but I'm sorta insect phobic... So those ugly fish-like moving bastards creep me out. And they're on my bed sometimes too, which is a big no.
20100527 05:23:24< Christheturtle> I'm full on scared of spiders, not so much insets..
20100527 05:23:28< Christheturtle> insects*
20100527 05:23:41< Christheturtle> But I like my sleeping enviorment and bathroom bug free.
20100527 05:23:46< Christheturtle> Just how I am.
20100527 05:24:07< Zarel> QMarkAI: What are we?
20100527 05:24:07< QMarkAI> Zarel: Nothing but dust in the wind. According to one popular song. Actually, I don't believe that at all. And I bet if you asked your friends what they think of you, they'd probably value you significantly more than tumbleweeds. 
20100527 05:24:11< Christheturtle> And they eat clothes.
20100527 05:24:18< Kenpachi> Christheturtle, the also eat clothing
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20100527 05:24:29< Christheturtle> And they eat books, the bastards.
20100527 05:24:37< Christheturtle> And lay eggs in cereal.
20100527 05:24:39< Christheturtle> And flour.
20100527 05:24:47< Christheturtle> Starch loving freaks...
20100527 05:25:16< Christheturtle> I just moved an old guitar case I havn't touched in ages, place in a way giving 24/7 shade... A huge pile of eggs.
20100527 05:25:22< Christheturtle> And they can live without ANY food for a year.
20100527 05:25:31< Christheturtle> They can live up to 6 years.
20100527 05:26:02< Christheturtle> And can lay 100 eggs a month or something stupid.
20100527 05:26:45< Christheturtle> Scared of humans, very very fast, nocturnal/shade loving...
20100527 05:26:56< Christheturtle> And they love the damp/humid enviroments.
20100527 05:27:07< Blarumyrran> QMarkAI, who are ugly fish-like moving bastards?
20100527 05:27:08< QMarkAI> Blarumyrran: A person. Oh, you can't say I'm wrong on that, can you? 
20100527 05:27:12< Christheturtle> So they just live in the skirting boards.
20100527 05:27:14< Blarumyrran> Yes I can! Ha!
20100527 05:28:03< Blarumyrran> (it could detect the plural and say people instead)
20100527 05:28:41< Christheturtle> I'm considering giving the landlord a phone call. In THEORY... It's a breech of his responsibilities according to the local council. Considering it already was a problem when I moved in and he said nothing.
20100527 05:29:27< Zarel> Blarumyrran: And here I thought I already did that.
20100527 05:29:37< Zarel> I do detect "what are" and "where are", iirc
20100527 05:31:20< Kenpachi> Christheturtle; mothballs will help alot
20100527 05:33:54< Zarel> QMarkAI, who are ugly fish-like moving bastards?
20100527 05:33:55< QMarkAI> Zarel: A group of people who share some common traits. 
20100527 05:34:01< Zarel> Blarumyrran: :P
20100527 05:34:01< Christheturtle> I'm thinking of getting this spray stuff that leaves a film of instant bug death for a month.
20100527 05:35:07< Blarumyrran> Any group of people share some common traits!
20100527 05:35:46< Blarumyrran> shares*
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20100527 05:42:58< Christheturtle> Blarumyrran: What?
20100527 05:43:14< Christheturtle> QMarkAI: What is the date?
20100527 05:43:15< QMarkAI> Christheturtle: It is the date. 
20100527 05:43:21< Christheturtle> Touche.
20100527 05:45:20< Blarumyrran> QMarkAI, when are ugly fish-like bastards moving?
20100527 05:45:20< QMarkAI> Blarumyrran: In 293 years. 
20100527 05:45:30< Christheturtle> No.
20100527 05:45:42< Christheturtle> I will not wait 293 years for these things to leave me alone. :(
20100527 05:46:26< Christheturtle> I'm telling you, give it a month and I'll have every single male, female, child and egg six feet under 200000 miles away from my apartment.
20100527 05:46:36< Christheturtle> You just watch, ugly fish-like bastards.
20100527 05:47:53< ancestral> Question
20100527 05:47:53< Blarumyrran> Christheturtle, you mean like http://imagebin.org/98485 ?
20100527 05:48:24< Christheturtle> Yeah. :)
20100527 05:48:43< ancestral> Ah never mind
20100527 05:49:03< Christheturtle> Do tell. :)
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20100527 05:56:58< Zarel> Christheturtle: Didn't expect that to be phrased that way.
20100527 05:57:01< Zarel> Q: What is the date?
20100527 05:57:01< QMarkAI> A: It is the date. 
20100527 05:57:16< Zarel> Q: What is the date?
20100527 05:57:16< QMarkAI> A: It is the date. 
20100527 05:57:20< Christheturtle> What to be phrased what way?
20100527 05:57:30< Zarel> Q: What is today's date?
20100527 05:57:31< QMarkAI> A: It is today's date. 
20100527 05:57:39< Zarel> There's something wrong with QMark. :|
20100527 05:57:44< Zarel> It should be telling me the date right about now.
20100527 05:57:59< Christheturtle> Aww :(
20100527 05:58:16< Blarumyrran> Q: What is all this about?
20100527 05:58:16< QMarkAI> A: It is all this about. 
20100527 05:58:55< Zarel> Q: What is today's date?
20100527 05:58:56< QMarkAI> A: Wednesday, May 26. 
20100527 05:58:58< Zarel> There we go.
20100527 05:59:17< Blarumyrran> Q: Why did the road cross the chicken?
20100527 05:59:18< QMarkAI> A: Because it's unavoidable. 
20100527 05:59:55< Blarumyrran> Q: Why didn't the road cross the chicken?
20100527 05:59:55< QMarkAI> A: Because of terrorism. 
20100527 05:59:56< Kenpachi> Q: what is the time?
20100527 05:59:58< QMarkAI> A: That depends on what time zone you're in. 10:00 PM, if you live in Minnesota. 
20100527 06:00:05< Blarumyrran> Nice
20100527 06:00:47< Zarel> It's wrong. :(
20100527 06:00:59< Zarel> It's off by an hour. Stupid daylight savings time.
20100527 06:01:11< ancestral> yeah
20100527 06:02:05< Zarel> Q: what time is it?
20100527 06:02:05< QMarkAI> A: That depends on what time zone you're in. 11:02 PM, if you live in Minnesota. 
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20100527 06:02:32< Kenpachi> Q: do you live in Minnesota?
20100527 06:03:01< Blarumyrran> Q: What time is it?
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20100527 06:04:05< Kenpachi> AI bots are fun to play with (till you run out of unique answers) :P
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20100527 06:04:25< Valkier> I'll tell you what's fun to play with
20100527 06:04:43< Valkier> But I probably shouldn't.
20100527 06:05:01< Blarumyrran> Your mother?
20100527 06:05:09< Blarumyrran> Oh man that never gets old.
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20100527 06:06:19< Blarumyrran> Q: What time is it?
20100527 06:06:28< Zarel> I'm back, not my bot. :P
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20100527 06:06:51< Zarel> It took long enough to timeout, though. Weird.
20100527 06:07:07< Zarel> Anyway, I'm going to sleep.
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20100527 06:09:28< Valkier> I'll miss that man.
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20100527 06:10:46< Christheturtle> I'll miss the pleasure of re-killing every single one of these Silverfish after I kill them.
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20100527 06:40:50< Christheturtle> crimson_penguin... Your connection is bad. o.o
20100527 06:40:56< crimson_penguin> it suure is
20100527 06:43:14< crimson_penguin> I'm trying to work on a website too... so annoying
20100527 06:44:07< Christheturtle> I sympathise. I used to have a connection that DCed every 4 minutes, every day.. For a year.
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20100527 06:44:19< Christheturtle> And I was running various projects, and developing a website.
20100527 06:44:50< Blarumyrran> you don't need a connection for that :P
20100527 06:44:56< Christheturtle> Over FTP you do.
20100527 06:45:49< crimson_penguin> ouch
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20100527 06:48:48< crimson_penguin> Blarumyrran: well, I don't have this site set up locally, so I need it for testing
20100527 06:49:04< crimson_penguin> I've been doing the best I can working while it's down; but it's hard when debugging
20100527 06:59:10< Christheturtle> Urgh, it's 6am here.
20100527 06:59:27< Valkier> I do my best work at 6 AM
20100527 06:59:40< Christheturtle> Huh? lol
20100527 07:02:03< Valkier> ... Not sure there's much to interpret there.
20100527 07:02:25< Blarumyrran> Well, "work"
20100527 07:02:52< Blarumyrran> Carrying crates around?
20100527 07:03:12< Blarumyrran> Drawing disco skeletons?
20100527 07:03:19< Blarumyrran> So many interpretations
20100527 07:03:21< Valkier> Disco skeletons mostly.
20100527 07:03:41< Valkier> Disco might be dead, but it still does my bidding.
20100527 07:04:32< Blarumyrran> It's 8 am here, and I'm almost done with my first portrait attempt in a long while
20100527 07:04:59< Blarumyrran> http://imagebin.org/98498
20100527 07:06:03< Valkier> Lookin pretty good.
20100527 07:06:18< Valkier> What program are you using?
20100527 07:06:29< Blarumyrran> thanks
20100527 07:06:30< Blarumyrran> gimp
20100527 07:07:21< ancestral> Man we're gonna have some good art this summer!
20100527 07:07:45< Valkier> Yeah. Wish I was any good.
20100527 07:07:54< ancestral> You kidding me?
20100527 07:08:24< Valkier> I really do think I suck pretty bad.
20100527 07:08:45< Blarumyrran> Your non-disco skeleton was pretty good
20100527 07:08:56< Valkier> Don't be dissing disco-bones.
20100527 07:09:08< Valkier> He'll roller rink you in the eyes.
20100527 07:09:38< Christheturtle> I'm not gonna lie. Discos were the worst things ever. ^^
20100527 07:09:50< Christheturtle> It makes me upset to think I even attended any.
20100527 07:10:00< Valkier> I'm not gonna lie either.
20100527 07:10:05< Valkier> I think Disco skeleton was badass.
20100527 07:10:14< Christheturtle> Disco.. Skeleton? :O
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20100527 07:10:25< ancestral> Hehe
20100527 07:10:52< ancestral> Careful — someone will create a unit just to use it
20100527 07:11:39< Blarumyrran> Humhum, units.wesnoth.org doesn't show portraits anymore?
20100527 07:12:11< Blarumyrran> Or maybe it never did, and I misremember
20100527 07:12:24< Valkier> Ancestral: Disco skeleton is the portrait for the Deathblade.
20100527 07:12:44< ancestral> Ah mk
20100527 07:12:47< Valkier> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26022
20100527 07:12:52< ancestral> Blarumyrran: Never diud
20100527 07:12:53< ancestral> did
20100527 07:12:58< ancestral> Except my bestiary will!
20100527 07:13:47< Christheturtle> Valk
20100527 07:13:52< Christheturtle> Very nice portraits.
20100527 07:14:32< ancestral> I see no disco
20100527 07:14:45< ancestral> But I like the idea of a disco skeleton
20100527 07:14:49< ancestral> :-P
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20100527 07:16:05< Valkier> Heh. Thanks, Chris.
20100527 07:16:38< Valkier> Blarumyrran thinks the green and red one looks disco. :-P
20100527 07:28:17< Christheturtle> I thought it was that one. :P
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20100527 08:23:34< Christheturtle> It's now 7:30am... I should probally get some sleep lawll.
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20100527 08:30:45< ancestral> Yay I get paid tomorrow!
20100527 08:30:53< Christheturtle> I love payday.
20100527 08:31:00< Christheturtle> It never, ever.. Ever... Gets boring.
20100527 08:31:10< ancestral> :-D
20100527 08:31:18< Christheturtle> Ever.
20100527 08:31:26< Christheturtle> Money can never be boring though. Period.
20100527 08:39:48< Christheturtle> Coming up 8am... NOW its time for best.
20100527 08:39:51< Christheturtle> bed*
20100527 08:39:53< Christheturtle> G'night all.
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20100527 09:49:13< Ivanovic> moin
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20100527 13:44:46< Valkier> Anyone actually awake?
20100527 13:48:25< Rhonda> Sure.
20100527 13:48:32< Valkier> Gasp
20100527 13:48:42< Rhonda> But it would be better if you could just ask what you want instead of starting a meta discussion.
20100527 13:48:42< Valkier> Wait a minute... You're not female!
20100527 13:48:46< Rhonda> I am.
20100527 13:48:55< Valkier> Women don't exist on the internet.
20100527 13:49:08< Rhonda> Oh, right, forgot that rule. Too bad.  *pooof*
20100527 13:49:12< Valkier> lol
20100527 13:49:29< Valkier> And I don't really "want" anything. Just seeing if anyone is awake. Perhaps wants to get a game in or somesuch.
20100527 13:49:48< Valkier> Otherwise I'll go back to my art hole for a few hours.
20100527 13:50:13< Valkier> But it is nice to have someone to talk to during my toil.
20100527 13:51:27< Rhonda> Sorry, I'm not here to entertain or "to talk to".
20100527 13:51:45< Rhonda> You might find some explicit chat channel more fulfilling your wishes.
20100527 13:51:58< Valkier> woo
20100527 13:52:12< Valkier> Someone is a little hostile for no reason.
20100527 13:55:19< Valkier> And I'm not sure what you were implying by the explicit chat channel comment, but I do believe you have the entirely wrong idea. Not to mention an insulting one.
20100527 13:56:52< Sacho> Like stealing candy from a barrel.
20100527 13:57:31< Valkier> Barrel technology does leave securtity a bit wanting around me..
20100527 13:57:41< Valkier> security*
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20100527 14:09:32< Rhonda> Who is hostile?
20100527 14:09:56< Valkier> Well, you're the one telling me where to go find cyber sex because I asked if you wanted to play a game of Wesnoth...
20100527 14:10:03< Rhonda> What's insulting by taking your statement as it's written here and reacting to it?
20100527 14:10:16< Rhonda> Erm, no. You said "someone to talk to during my toil."
20100527 14:10:27< Valkier> Do you know what toil means?
20100527 14:10:33< Rhonda> that's not related to wanting to play a game of Wesnoth. At least in my experience.
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20100527 14:10:53< Valkier> And that was right after I said I'd go back to my artist hole if no gaming was to be had.
20100527 14:11:01< Rhonda> It seems to be slang for work, at least what I can perceive from my dictionary.
20100527 14:11:13< Valkier> Right
20100527 14:11:19< Rhonda> And you were the one who brought cybering into play.
20100527 14:11:30< Rhonda> Which is awkward anyway because you assume no females on the internet.
20100527 14:11:32< Valkier> You said the explicit chat comment. Not me.
20100527 14:11:37< Rhonda> Right.
20100527 14:11:54< Rhonda> And you just confirmed that I got your remark about "someone to talk to during my toil." right.
20100527 14:11:59< Valkier> So basically while it is in fact still a reaction, yours was the equivilant of shooting someone for asking you if you had a pen.
20100527 14:12:08< Rhonda> I didn't shoot.
20100527 14:12:24< Ken_Oh> whoa, i usually don't find this in morning-time wesnoth chat
20100527 14:12:28< Rhonda> I didn't call you names or fake or whatever. You were the one who stated that I can't be female.
20100527 14:12:37< shadowmaster> Ken_Oh: you haven't seen me and Gambit then
20100527 14:12:47< Ken_Oh> haha, i guess not
20100527 14:12:47< Valkier> lol
20100527 14:12:52< Rhonda> I have the impression that you are seriously misinterpreting me here.
20100527 14:12:54< Valkier> Your sense of humor is pretty weak then.
20100527 14:12:57< shadowmaster> or worse, Unnheulu
20100527 14:13:00< Rhonda> And try to make a fuzz of that too.
20100527 14:13:02< Gambit> yawn
20100527 14:14:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: Is there anything other than a text editor for perl?
20100527 14:14:18< shadowmaster> no
20100527 14:14:22< Gambit> I think I'm going to build my own in visual basic.
20100527 14:14:23< shadowmaster> you don't need a stupid IDE
20100527 14:14:35< Gambit> shadowmaster: Dreamweaver has spoiled me.
20100527 14:14:41< Gambit> I'm one of *those* people now.
20100527 14:14:48< shadowmaster> what a shame
20100527 14:15:08 * shadowmaster . O o (and we started already...)
20100527 14:15:17 * Valkier grabs popcorn
20100527 14:15:27< Valkier> I like your guys' argument more.
20100527 14:15:37< Gambit> You started. I was minding my own buisness, reading the getting started guide for active perl
20100527 14:15:43< Gambit> waiting for the rest of the house to wake up
20100527 14:15:49< Gambit> :P
20100527 14:16:23< Gambit> how to navigate to a directory in windows command prompt :\
20100527 14:16:23< shadowmaster> you are suggesting I quiet gambit or that I kick your ass outta here?
20100527 14:16:32< shadowmaster> Gambit: CD
20100527 14:16:34 * Gambit almost wishes he was on linux atm
20100527 14:16:48< shadowmaster> CD \path\in\current\drive
20100527 14:16:51< Gambit> oh cool
20100527 14:17:05< Gambit> yay hellow world
20100527 14:17:10< shadowmaster> to change drive, it's X:  alone as a command (where X is the drive's letter)
20100527 14:17:10< Gambit> *hello
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20100527 14:53:47 * Gambit just had an epiphany
20100527 14:53:57< Valkier> Tell me!
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20100527 14:55:16< Gambit> Valkier: I'll create a really simple framework in perl that connects and recieves messages, and then it loads a coldfusion page on my server and passes it the message in a url parameter and then prints the output to the socket. Then coldfusion is still the one managing the messages, I'll have access to all my favorite coldfusion things, and I won't have to rebuild/restart the bot every time I make a change!
20100527 14:55:23< Gambit> It's brilliant!
20100527 14:55:40< Gambit> And thank god shad0wmaster left for the day.
20100527 14:55:47< Gambit> He'd kill me if he read that.
20100527 14:55:54< Valkier> He did?
20100527 14:56:00< Gambit> Valkier: Yeah.
20100527 14:56:02< Valkier> And you're right! That IS brilliant!
20100527 14:56:05< Valkier> What does it mean?
20100527 14:56:31< Gambit> Valkier: It means I don't have to learn a whole new language, just a really tiny bit of it.
20100527 14:56:43< Valkier> Remember I'm a pencil jockey. Coding is beyond me. >_<
20100527 14:57:00< Valkier> Well rock on.
20100527 14:57:22< Valkier> Would learning the new language help in the long run however?
20100527 14:57:37< Gambit> No.
20100527 14:57:48< Gambit> It has no forseeable benefits.
20100527 14:57:48< Valkier> The I salute you.
20100527 14:57:53< Valkier> then*
20100527 14:58:19< Blarumyrran> In the long run, computers will become obsolete
20100527 14:58:41< Valkier> You're right.
20100527 14:58:53< Blarumyrran> After the next World War, people who can melt bronze will be the one who get all the women
20100527 14:58:59< Valkier> Lets go collective conscience of energy.
20100527 14:59:04< Gambit> Blarumyrran: With their minds?
20100527 14:59:37< Valkier> I'm thinking if you could melt metal with mind heat then you'd get women now.
20100527 15:00:01< Gambit> Valkier: No. Right now you're afraid to show your gifts.
20100527 15:00:14< Blarumyrran> The world is not yet ready for
20100527 15:00:17< Gambit> But in the next world war telekenesis is what saves New Zealand!
20100527 15:00:18< Valkier> I'm Santa?
20100527 15:00:18< Blarumyrran> bronze weaponry
20100527 15:00:50< Valkier> Why do we want to save New Zealand?
20100527 15:00:53< Valkier> China is where it's at.
20100527 15:01:04< Gambit> New Zealand is where all our movies are filmed!
20100527 15:01:08< Gambit> Because almost nobody lives there.
20100527 15:01:18< Gambit> And everyone that does likes the outdoors more than computers.
20100527 15:01:20< Gambit> Weirdos.
20100527 15:01:42< Blarumyrran> New Zealand is where all the Chinese gooseberry comes from
20100527 15:01:44< Blarumyrran> Mm, Chinese gooseberry
20100527 15:02:05< Valkier> What about India?
20100527 15:02:19< Valkier> I like them over there.
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20100527 15:02:43< Blarumyrran> (actually wikipedia says Italy is by far the greatest Chinese gooseberry producer)
20100527 15:03:13< Valkier> Disco skeleton endorses anything Blarumyrran says.
20100527 15:03:30< Gambit> Plus New Zealanders have the coolest accents.
20100527 15:03:43< Gambit> Even cooler than Australians.
20100527 15:03:57< Valkier> Gambit: If New Zealand was so cool, then why didn't Legend of the Seeker get a third season?
20100527 15:04:08< Gambit> even. cooler. than. ruskies.
20100527 15:04:36< Blarumyrran> New Zealanders used to eat people like Real Men do
20100527 15:04:46< Blarumyrran> These days even they've gone too wussie for that though
20100527 15:05:58< Valkier> You should go show them how it's done again, Blarumyrran.
20100527 15:06:14< Gambit> like a Real Man
20100527 15:07:04< Blarumyrran> I'm too wussie for that :(
20100527 15:07:09< Blarumyrran> It would take a real visionary
20100527 15:07:14< Blarumyrran> A man with guts
20100527 15:07:39< Valkier> But if you ate someone then you'd have plenty of guts.
20100527 15:07:57< Gambit> Replace "texas double whopper" with "people meat" in the following commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGLHlvb8skQ
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20100527 15:08:33< Valkier> Gasp! My partner in.. whatever it is we do in the art forums!
20100527 15:08:40< Gambit> crime
20100527 15:08:46< Gambit> Clearly it's a crime.
20100527 15:09:05< artisticdude> crime? :P
20100527 15:09:11< Valkier> I didn't think my stuff was THAT bad....
20100527 15:09:38< artisticdude> Kidding. :P
20100527 15:10:06< Valkier> What up, home skillet? You groovin with yo' creative self?
20100527 15:11:33< artisticdude> Coding... ugh. 
20100527 15:11:46< Valkier> You code too?
20100527 15:11:56< Valkier> You guys make me feel very inadequite.
20100527 15:12:00< Gambit> Valkier: Of course. artisticdude is a Real Man.
20100527 15:12:01< artisticdude> Only in WML.
20100527 15:12:19< Valkier> Man.
20100527 15:12:24< Valkier> No wonder it's mostly women in my major.
20100527 15:12:31< Gambit> haha
20100527 15:12:31< Valkier> I'm the wrong gender for this.
20100527 15:12:37< Gambit> That's....
20100527 15:12:41< Gambit> so not what I meant
20100527 15:12:45< Valkier> lol
20100527 15:13:03< Valkier> It's kind of weird. I figured there'd be a lot of guys in the fine arts department.
20100527 15:13:30< Valkier> Instead I walk in to my classes and there's maybe 2, 3 guys in the corner. 20 girls filling the rest of the room.
20100527 15:13:37< artisticdude> I much prefer art over coding... at least most of the time you know what's wrong with your art.
20100527 15:14:03< artisticdude> Whew, I'm not sure what to think of that ratio... 20 to 4?
20100527 15:14:33< Valkier> Yeah but they're all 18 or 19.
20100527 15:14:56< Valkier> So I have to sit and listen to how high school was or what frat party they are going to that night.
20100527 15:15:11< Valkier> And then I just feel old...
20100527 15:16:16< artisticdude> But then I get to poke them with my sword and they shut up. XD
20100527 15:16:16< artisticdude> I have some girls in my fencing class like that. All about proms and frat parties and boyfriends...
20100527 15:16:21< Gambit> Valkier: They just put those in there for encoragement for the men.
20100527 15:16:24< Gambit> [/sexism]
20100527 15:16:30< Valkier> lol
20100527 15:17:43< Valkier> Artisticdude has a fencing class. I am officially jealous.
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20100527 15:18:20< Gambit> Valkier: Wii fencing!
20100527 15:18:44< artisticdude> To be honest it isn't much of a class... I mean, I can beat the coach most of the time now. :/
20100527 15:18:46< Valkier> I only have a 360...
20100527 15:19:47< Gambit> artisticdude: You're just *that* awesome.
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20100527 15:20:09< Blarumyrran> Prince of persia had fencing
20100527 15:20:12< Valkier> He beats his coach at fencing. He only uses his pinky.
20100527 15:20:19< Blarumyrran> It was sort of simple, but still worked out great
20100527 15:20:20< artisticdude> Maybe... :p But still, I feel kind of cheated that I can beat my own coach.
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20100527 15:20:47 * Gambit is suddenly reminded of the latest zero punctuation review
20100527 15:21:30< Valkier> I liked his newest one.
20100527 15:21:38< Gambit> Particularly the fencing part ;)
20100527 15:21:48< artisticdude> Never heard of it.
20100527 15:21:55< artisticdude> Ah, google...
20100527 15:22:02< Gambit> You've been using IRC and Dreamweaver too long when you try to autotab all really long words that you don't feel like typing.
20100527 15:22:14< Valkier> Is it sad I installed google chrome just to try to make my android phone love me more?
20100527 15:22:38< Gambit> Valkier: No.
20100527 15:22:46< Gambit> You've got to do what you can to make your relationship work.
20100527 15:22:59< Valkier> It does treat me well.
20100527 15:23:14< Valkier> It tells me what the weather is before I even get out of bed.
20100527 15:23:22< Valkier> And it lets me played bejeweled on it.
20100527 15:23:57< artisticdude> Bejeweled... great game that, although I haven't played it in ages.
20100527 15:24:52< Valkier> It sucks more hours of my life away than my raging alcoholism.
20100527 15:24:59< Gambit> artisticdude: Okay... we don't want to hear about what you don't get to do in your relationship...
20100527 15:25:05< Gambit> I mean come on...
20100527 15:25:11< Gambit> artisticdude: jk.
20100527 15:25:24< artisticdude> Oookay...
20100527 15:25:53< artisticdude> Gambit: have you played Eschalon Book II yet?
20100527 15:26:04< Gambit> Wha?
20100527 15:26:11< Gambit> I think no.
20100527 15:26:16< artisticdude> You don't know about Eschalon?
20100527 15:26:22< Gambit> Because I have no idea what you'r talking about.
20100527 15:26:56< artisticdude> It's a RPG game series, similar to Spiderweb Software's games.
20100527 15:27:12< artisticdude> They just released the second one in the series this month.
20100527 15:28:09< artisticdude> The movement system is annoying, but hey, it's an RPG game, and it's available for Mac. :P
20100527 15:29:42< Valkier> Make the call, guys! Lebannon balogna or not on my grilled cheese sandwich!
20100527 15:30:13< artisticdude> Go for it.
20100527 15:30:27< Valkier> oh god!
20100527 15:30:29 * Valkier does it
20100527 15:31:08< artisticdude> I made and ate a jelly and cheese sandwich once... much to my mom's chagrin.
20100527 15:31:48< artisticdude> And then there was the sugar on the smoked salmon... and the cheese with the paper divider still attached...
20100527 15:32:26 * Gambit afk for school. Bye all.
20100527 15:32:37< Valkier> Later, Gambit.
20100527 15:32:45< artisticdude> S'ya.
20100527 15:32:52< Valkier> So you do mostly sprites, right?
20100527 15:33:10< artisticdude> 99% sprites.
20100527 15:33:24< artisticdude> A few attack icons, but they're mostly garbage.
20100527 15:33:27< Valkier> What program do you use?
20100527 15:33:55< artisticdude> Photoshop Elements
20100527 15:34:13< Valkier> That does stuff?
20100527 15:34:24< artisticdude> I use it for all my art efforts.
20100527 15:34:58< artisticdude> It's actually a rather extensive application, once you get past some of the more annoying features (or lack of features).
20100527 15:35:25< Valkier> hmm
20100527 15:35:33< Valkier> See I mostly (see: always) use photoshop.
20100527 15:35:48< artisticdude> For instance, you can't scroll to zoom. You have to click the icon to have the slider appear, then use the slider to set the zoom percentage.
20100527 15:36:13< Valkier> ...
20100527 15:36:20< Valkier> I would smash a computer every other day.
20100527 15:36:29< Blarumyrran> don't you have some +/- keys for that or something
20100527 15:36:47< Blarumyrran> on the keyboard
20100527 15:37:04< artisticdude> Maybe, I haven't tried that. ^^
20100527 15:37:45< artisticdude> Sometimes I have to restart it, because it starts doing weird things the first time I open it. 
20100527 15:37:53< artisticdude> But other than that, it's a great program.
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20100527 15:46:49< Cyber_Rock> are the same sound track used in multiplayer mode as in single player
20100527 15:47:07< Valkier> I think so.
20100527 15:47:56< Valkier> I usually just mute the soundtrack and blare Blue Monday.
20100527 15:53:56< Gambit> It is my firm belief that playing wesnoth without wesnoth music is like playing wesnoth with all the art deleted.
20100527 15:54:14< Valkier> Yeah, but Blue Monday is rockin.
20100527 15:54:42< Blarumyrran> I also always play with all sound turned off other than the turn bell
20100527 15:54:55< Blarumyrran> For years now
20100527 16:01:01< Valkier> I should probably get to some sketching...
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20100527 17:14:19< Valkier> Zookeeper! <3
20100527 17:15:56< zookeeper> really?
20100527 17:16:03< Valkier> It's true.
20100527 17:17:35< zookeeper> how nice
20100527 17:18:02< Unnheulu> zookeeper, are you the maintainer of DiD
20100527 17:19:07< Unnheulu> Meh gtg
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20100527 17:21:39< zookeeper> meh yes
20100527 17:23:40< Valkier> I like DiD. Just can't beat it. :-P
20100527 17:25:09< zookeeper> what scenario you get stuck in?
20100527 17:25:25< Valkier> I think the one where you need to kill the three orc leaders.
20100527 17:26:02< zookeeper> ok. i got stuck there when i was playing on the hardest with WCs only. :|
20100527 17:26:09< Valkier> I had to wipe my HDD recently however, so I haven't even gotten to reinstalling Wesnoth yet.
20100527 17:26:13< zookeeper> or wait
20100527 17:26:19< Valkier> Well, I never claimed to be a good player.
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20100527 17:26:25< zookeeper> that's a different scenario. the one i was thinking only has two orc leaders.
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20100527 18:26:14< Unnheulu> zookeeper, are you the maintainer of DiD?
20100527 18:28:32< Valkier> I think you all ready broke his heart once.
20100527 18:29:47< Unnheulu> ...
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20100527 18:34:52< Unnheulu> noy, is zookeeper the maintainer of DiD?
20100527 18:35:03< noy> no clue
20100527 18:35:07< Unnheulu> Ok :P
20100527 18:36:35< zookeeper> sigh
20100527 18:36:37< zookeeper> yes, i am
20100527 18:38:17< Unnheulu> Can you stop the last scenario being possible with a zombie spam pl0x?
20100527 18:39:26< Unnheulu> *please
20100527 18:39:27< Unnheulu> ;)
20100527 18:39:36< Unnheulu> It just ruins the feel of the scenario
20100527 18:40:04< zookeeper> how does zombie spam ruin the feel any more than bat spam?
20100527 18:40:40< Unnheulu> Is bat spam possible?
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20100527 18:44:47< Valkier> You can bat spam?
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20100527 18:50:38< Gambit> Valkier: It depends.
20100527 18:50:48< Gambit> If it's name brand yes.
20100527 18:50:58< Gambit> That generic stuff doesn't hold up well.
20100527 18:51:49< Gambit> You hit it once and splat. You can't play a game of spamball like that.
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20100527 18:52:26< Valkier> I'll have to keep that in mind.
20100527 18:56:13< Valkier> Anyone here running Steam on a Mac?
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20100527 19:02:58< Gambit> Valkier: Ask Blueblaze when he gets on.
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20100527 19:45:02< Valkier> I officially love Logitech.
20100527 19:46:25< Unnheulu> Don't they make mice?
20100527 19:46:29< Unnheulu> s/mice/mouses?/
20100527 19:46:53< Valkier> And speakers
20100527 19:47:04< Valkier> Actually they make a lot of accessories for PCs.
20100527 19:47:17< Unnheulu> Not tablets :/
20100527 19:47:24< Valkier> Tablets aren't an accessery.
20100527 19:47:30< Unnheulu> Are
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20100527 19:48:12< Valkier> No.. Or else they would not refer to them as Tablet PCs.
20100527 19:48:15< Unnheulu> It connects to a pc via usb, sounds like an accessory to me
20100527 19:48:23< Unnheulu> I did not refer to it as a Tablet PC
20100527 19:48:35< Valkier> Oh, you mean like Wacoms?
20100527 19:48:41 * Unnheulu nods
20100527 19:48:42< Unnheulu> >.<
20100527 19:48:48< Valkier> Right. They don't make them.
20100527 19:48:59< [Relic]> Hello :)
20100527 19:49:07< Unnheulu> On that note, does anyone but wacom make tablets?
20100527 19:49:08< Valkier> Howdy, Relic.
20100527 19:49:13< Unnheulu> Shwmae [Relic]
20100527 19:49:29< Valkier> There are a couple manufacturers I guess, but Wacom is the only one worth looking at.
20100527 19:49:35< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100527 19:49:56< Valkier> I will use my Intuos 3 till it coughs smoke.
20100527 19:49:58< Unnheulu> Although it seems ubuntu even has trouble with some of the drivers on their models
20100527 19:50:17< Valkier> Well, drivers are more of a windows thing if I recall.
20100527 19:50:18< Unnheulu> *on the drivers for some of their models
20100527 19:50:25< Unnheulu> Linux needs drivers to...
20100527 19:50:33< Valkier> Yeah but don't they handle them differently?
20100527 19:50:36< [Relic]> :)
20100527 19:50:45 * Unnheulu shrugs
20100527 19:50:57< Valkier> Eh. Was never that big on Linux.
20100527 19:51:15< Valkier> If I was smart, I wouldn't be a Fine Arts major. :-P
20100527 19:51:29< Unnheulu> ;)
20100527 19:52:08< Aethaeryn> Valkier: The world needs more oligarchic families.
20100527 19:52:15< Aethaeryn> Then fine arts people could actually get paychecks. :P
20100527 19:52:31< Valkier> Nah. We just need the world to get flung back about 500 years.
20100527 19:52:38< Valkier> And then have the Church take power.
20100527 19:52:47< Aethaeryn> Oligarchic families would *not* fling the world back 500 years?
20100527 19:53:01< Valkier> Well I'd say we'd need to go back before they'd exist.
20100527 19:53:13< Unnheulu> Supposedly my tablet has 512 different pressure sensitivity stuff, but its never worked :/
20100527 19:53:29< Valkier> Whatcha mean, Unn? Doesn't tak your input?
20100527 19:53:40< Unnheulu> It works, but, only in pressed, or not pressed
20100527 19:53:40< Aethaeryn> But the peak of art (in the broad sense) in Europe seems to be under emperors and Italian autocrats.
20100527 19:53:44< Unnheulu> Bah overuse of commas -.-
20100527 19:54:10< Valkier> What tablet do you have?
20100527 19:54:12< Aethaeryn> Valkier: All you need is guys with wigs to like speaking French and talking about superior culture stuff.
20100527 19:54:34< Valkier> heh. Well when we get put back into the Renaissance period, I'll be the next Bill Gates.
20100527 19:54:36< Aethaeryn> Not enough of those anymore. ;)
20100527 19:54:58< Aethaeryn> Bill Gates sucks.
20100527 19:55:06< Valkier> Till then I am pretty much set on my destiny to die poor on the corner of a 7/11.
20100527 19:55:08< Aethaeryn> Everyone holds him up as a technical genius. Business genius, maybe.
20100527 19:55:11< Aethaeryn> Technical, not really.
20100527 19:55:20< Valkier> I was speaking on purely monetary terms.
20100527 19:55:40< Aethaeryn> There are richer men than Bill Gates :P
20100527 19:55:50< Aethaeryn> Bill Gates gives away too much of his money to hold onto #1 :P
20100527 19:55:51< Valkier> Who needs to be?
20100527 19:56:28< Valkier> If you had as much money as Bill Gates your family wouldn't be able to spend it all for several generations I'd think.
20100527 19:56:35< Unnheulu> Valkier, volito 2, discontinued donkeys years ago :P
20100527 19:56:48< Aethaeryn> Valkier: You'd be surprised what a playboy, partying, alcoholic son can do.
20100527 19:56:51< Valkier> Hmm
20100527 19:57:01< Aethaeryn> You'd spend it in a few months in Vegas ;)
20100527 19:57:10< Valkier> Unnheulu: Look into getting a Bamboo tablet. I use one for traveling. I like it.
20100527 19:57:12< Unnheulu> Its only like 6inches :P
20100527 19:57:28< Unnheulu> Valkier, it was the predecessor of that
20100527 19:57:35< Valkier> Well there you go.
20100527 19:57:41< Unnheulu> Plus, I don't really care at all about art anymore
20100527 19:57:53< Valkier> Probably smart.
20100527 19:58:19< Unnheulu> Its easier to just dump all the work on your brother instead =]
20100527 19:58:24< Valkier> Aethaeryn: Fine, and intelligent family wouldn't be able to spend it all.
20100527 19:58:33< Valkier> an*
20100527 19:58:44< Aethaeryn> Show me intelligent rich please...
20100527 19:58:48< Aethaeryn> Only the stupid ones get shows on TV
20100527 19:58:56< Valkier> Not true
20100527 19:59:04< Valkier> Hughe Heffner is pretty smart.
20100527 19:59:14< Unnheulu> Valkier, if they were smart, they'd be stuck in an office or something
20100527 19:59:47< Aethaeryn> I suppose "smart" has varying definitions, then, Valkier.
20100527 20:00:13< Valkier> He was smart enough to get ahead in life.
20100527 20:00:29< Aethaeryn> Personally, I define virtue this way: "If an animal can do what you strive to do, then you're not setting your goals high enough."
20100527 20:00:49< Unnheulu> Hah
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20100527 20:01:14< Valkier> Well you can claim all the mental intelligence you want.
20100527 20:01:30< Valkier> But fact of the matter is, most of these people didn't luck into empires.
20100527 20:01:41< Valkier> Hell, how rich was Dave Thomas when he died?
20100527 20:01:46 * Unnheulu sighs in relief as his minimap now works to his low standards
20100527 20:01:48< Valkier> Never even graduated high school.
20100527 20:02:14< Aethaeryn> Valkier: So I suppose you're getting a BS in Financial Economics before your MBA?
20100527 20:02:26< Valkier> Nope. I firmly maintain my own stupidity.
20100527 20:02:36< Aethaeryn> Yes, maybe 1 in 200 million can luck into wealth.
20100527 20:02:48< Aethaeryn> But if wealth is what you seek, you raise your odds by specializing in wealth-creation.
20100527 20:02:59< Unnheulu> Ie, being a binman
20100527 20:02:59< Aethaeryn> You don't guaruntee it, but it's better than not having a high school diploma.
20100527 20:03:01< Aethaeryn> Quicker, too
20100527 20:03:08< Unnheulu> *Highly paid binman at that
20100527 20:03:35< Valkier> Fact remains they were bright enough to recignize what they did.
20100527 20:04:04< Valkier> recognize*
20100527 20:04:08< Valkier> I cannot spell lately.
20100527 20:05:21< Valkier> Meanwhile the majority of us will probably sit around complaining how underappreciated we are in society and most likely not be any better off than our parents.
20100527 20:05:33< Aethaeryn> 30% of it is intelligence, 30% of it is skill and hard work at what they do, 40% of it is luck
20100527 20:05:36< Valkier> Financially speaking anyhow.
20100527 20:05:41< Aethaeryn> So the RNG has a big play in it.
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20100527 20:06:05< Aethaeryn> roll a 0 and the world doesn't care how smart you are :P
20100527 20:06:16< Valkier> I don't think you give hard work enough credit.
20100527 20:06:44< Aethaeryn> oh sorry
20100527 20:07:01< Aethaeryn> 20% of it is intelligence, 39% of it is hard work, 41% of it is luck
20100527 20:07:38< Valkier> Now you just sound cynical. :-P
20100527 20:08:00< Unnheulu> Richard Branson and Alan Sugar were both underperformers in school
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20100527 20:09:11< Valkier> Not sure you're disproving me with either of those.
20100527 20:09:14< Aethaeryn> Valkier: No, I just play Wesnoth MP too much.
20100527 20:09:26< Aethaeryn> Where you can't reroll when bullshit happens.
20100527 20:09:29< Christheturtle> It's all about creating a product that will advance something significantly. Like MS-DOS, Like Alan Sugars home satellite dish (ie. sky)
20100527 20:09:41< Aethaeryn> Valkier: But I guess my point is underplaying intelligence.
20100527 20:10:04< Aethaeryn> Plenty of intelligent people either choose not to make lots of money (almost everyone who's a college professor) or are stuck at dead-end jobs or whatever
20100527 20:10:08< Valkier> I guess we just place different value on what we consider intelligence.
20100527 20:10:10< Aethaeryn> Or just are smart in areas that don't pay well (anymore)
20100527 20:10:29< Aethaeryn> And a lot of wealth is luck/circumstancial.
20100527 20:10:37< Valkier> Well yeah. I'm not saying if you're not a millionaire you're an idiot.
20100527 20:10:45< Christheturtle> The money is in Software, telecommunications and heroin.
20100527 20:10:56< Valkier> I'm just saying the people who did manage to get where they were didn't just get lucky. They worked for it.
20100527 20:11:01< Unnheulu> Christheturtle, and in the UK/London its in banking
20100527 20:11:05< Aethaeryn> Christheturtle: Yeah, and one of those groups will rob you blind.
20100527 20:11:10< Aethaeryn> And take all your money.
20100527 20:11:13< Unnheulu> A lot of the top bankers get bonuses of millions
20100527 20:11:18< Aethaeryn> Christheturtle: The telecommunications group.
20100527 20:11:33< Valkier> Nah. Telecommunications are only evil in the US.
20100527 20:12:01< Valkier> They're not as bad in the rest of the world.
20100527 20:12:11< Christheturtle> I happen to be very well off in business, but I didn't create the company I work for.. I'm just an executive.
20100527 20:12:23< Christheturtle> So I contributed good ideas and got lucky I guess.
20100527 20:12:59< Unnheulu> I guess doing well in business you haven't set up is more skill based than starting businesses
20100527 20:12:59< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100527 20:13:03< Aethaeryn> Valkier: You're underestimating luck.
20100527 20:13:05< Valkier> Christheturtle: Well that all depends. If you can get me a well paying job in that company, then you worked hard for your position. If you can't, then you just got lucky,.
20100527 20:13:09< Christheturtle> But I worked for it. I came out of school without even GCSE's... From drug addiction. But I got over them, got my grades, went to college, then uni.. etc.
20100527 20:13:40< Christheturtle> I always did have a business mind though.
20100527 20:13:43< Aethaeryn> Valkier: What I'm saying is that *among people who work hard* you also need luck to succeed.
20100527 20:13:48< Aethaeryn> Perhaps that's less arguable of a proposition.
20100527 20:14:13< Aethaeryn> Working hard does not guaruntee success, and it seems like most of the people who ARE successful from it were at the right place at the right time.
20100527 20:14:25< Valkier> Aethaeryn: I would say you get lucky as far as being in the right place at the right time. You're smart for knowing you're there.
20100527 20:14:33< Christheturtle> Aethaeryn: Yes and no. I had to work very hard to get my qualifications in public relations and business management.. And then to rise up enough for my voice to be heard by the big guys.. But then I was also lucky from then on, because my ideas made profits.
20100527 20:14:41< Christheturtle> Which got me to executive.
20100527 20:14:57< Aethaeryn> Valkier: So, yes, you need all three though.
20100527 20:14:59< Valkier> Christheturtle is actually Steve Jobs.
20100527 20:15:11< Aethaeryn> The less intelligence/hard-work you have, the more luck you need.
20100527 20:15:17< Aethaeryn> The ultimate luck is just being born rich.
20100527 20:16:00< Valkier> In any case, I want to teach art because I think it is fulfilling. No way am I ever going to be rich.
20100527 20:16:00< Unnheulu> I dunno about the American apprentice, but here the ones that achieve usually aren't those with the highest grades
20100527 20:16:31< Aethaeryn> Valkier: Maybe the economic crisis will get worse, end all democracies, and a despot will pay you to tutor their kid.
20100527 20:16:39< Valkier> hehe
20100527 20:16:48< Valkier> Well the US is the next Greece.
20100527 20:17:06< Aethaeryn> Again, I stand by my thesis that fine arts folks are the people who stand most to benefit from autocracy.
20100527 20:17:17< Valkier> And I really hope you're right.
20100527 20:17:20< Aethaeryn> Meanwhile, the science-tech guys probably benefit most from the rapid change of democracy.
20100527 20:17:23< Aethaeryn> So...
20100527 20:17:29< Aethaeryn> I suppose I should be rooting against you, Valkier.
20100527 20:17:33< Valkier> lol
20100527 20:17:36< Christheturtle> The only problem I find annoying is having to travel to, for example, Hong Kong for a meeting.
20100527 20:17:40< Blarumyrran> fine arts folks tend to be the ones to whine the most about autocracy though
20100527 20:17:48< Christheturtle> I used to be scared of flying.
20100527 20:17:50< Christheturtle> Lol.
20100527 20:17:52< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: EXACTLY. The irony, eh? Self-defeating.
20100527 20:18:11< Aethaeryn> The times when arts folk historically do best are during times of autocracy.
20100527 20:18:14< Valkier> Blarumyrran: That's because the mahority of my breed are idealized self righteous jerks.
20100527 20:18:14< Blarumyrran> Oh sorry, I didn't really read more than some 10 sentences above
20100527 20:18:18< Aethaeryn> Roman republic, not so much art. Roman empire, flourishing art.
20100527 20:18:34< Aethaeryn> Renaissance, lots of art in the least free areas.
20100527 20:18:39< Blarumyrran> Roman empire was a republic
20100527 20:18:45< Unnheulu> Christheturtle, -> pm
20100527 20:18:52< Blarumyrran> It always remained SPQR you know
20100527 20:19:13< Aethaeryn> De jure, yes. De facto, no.
20100527 20:19:13< Valkier> I would also expect that during an economic downturn, the art movement would shift back towards more concrete concepts instead of the current surrealist movement.
20100527 20:19:19< Aethaeryn> The route to power changed...
20100527 20:19:30< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Just ask my Ancient Studies professor to send you my final exam.
20100527 20:19:37< Aethaeryn> I'm not rewriting the final essay that I wrote last week.
20100527 20:20:28< Aethaeryn> Valkier: Maybe you haven't seen the worst of the economy then.
20100527 20:20:45< Valkier> heh
20100527 20:21:01< Valkier> I just think it's funny that in order to be insanely successful, I need to hope for the downfall of the country.
20100527 20:21:10< Unnheulu> Hah
20100527 20:21:12< Aethaeryn> Not necessarily a downfall...
20100527 20:21:15< Aethaeryn> Just a change of power structure.
20100527 20:21:26< Aethaeryn> Honestly, that's the best time for middle class...
20100527 20:21:37< Valkier> Well it's going to be coming at this rate.
20100527 20:21:41< Aethaeryn> Because the upper class will be removed from power, and some middle class people will need to rise to fill the void.
20100527 20:21:50< Aethaeryn> Note, some middle class.
20100527 20:21:56< Aethaeryn> There's not enough room at the top for everyone.
20100527 20:22:01< Valkier> We get one more election where we have to choose between an Obama and a McCain and we'll see riots.
20100527 20:22:09< Aethaeryn> Also, why the hell am I speaking Marxist theory.
20100527 20:22:18< Aethaeryn> College has had an effect on me it seems.
20100527 20:22:44< Valkier> College just teaches you why you're miserable in the world you live in.
20100527 20:23:19< Valkier> What some people fail to realize is that some of these theories like Marxism and Socialism and whatnot, are not BAD on paper.
20100527 20:23:44< Valkier> Nobody has ever set about writing a manifesto with the intend to create a country of suffering individuals.
20100527 20:23:45< Gambit> They're bad because the people who attempt to implement them have, historically, all twisted them and lied.
20100527 20:23:59< Valkier> The problem is that they require people to be basically good and survive in an idealized world.
20100527 20:24:28< Gambit> Except for maybe Stalin.
20100527 20:24:35< Gambit> And it was working for him.
20100527 20:24:43< Valkier> A world where there is no government and everyone just helps each other out for everyone elses benefit? Call it Marxist or communist all you want. It still sounds nice.
20100527 20:25:11< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20100527 20:25:23< Aethaeryn> Marxism describes how things *should* be.
20100527 20:25:29< Gambit> Communism doesn't work because communist leaders don't follow it.
20100527 20:25:34< Aethaeryn> Capitalist economics attempts to describe how things *are*.
20100527 20:25:49< Aethaeryn> That's why economics is more predictive. ;)
20100527 20:26:01< Valkier> But the same people who call Obama a Marxist are the same people who just heard it was bad once and never actually read up on it.
20100527 20:26:12< Aethaeryn> Besides, Marxists all just worship the government.
20100527 20:26:16< Valkier> And that's why we're all screwed. Those are the vocal majority.
20100527 20:26:25< Aethaeryn> By completely rejecting all religion, you have to replace it with something.
20100527 20:26:28< Valkier> Er.. Marxists don't worship the government.
20100527 20:26:31< Aethaeryn> :P
20100527 20:26:39< Valkier> Marxists don't have a government. It is phased out.
20100527 20:26:47< Aethaeryn> okay, "communists"
20100527 20:26:52< Aethaeryn> thank you, Internet
20100527 20:27:08< Aethaeryn> anyway, I do have a problem with an inherently athiestic philosophy.
20100527 20:27:14< Aethaeryn> Ignores too much of the human experience.
20100527 20:27:35< Aethaeryn> Like it or not, religion and "spirituality" will be with us, whether you shut down all churches or not.
20100527 20:27:46< Valkier> Well we're hard wired for it.
20100527 20:28:59< Valkier> But religion has bastardized itself.
20100527 20:29:24< Valkier> Aethiesm is dangerouse in its own right, but organized religion causes far more problems.
20100527 20:29:29< Aethaeryn> Valkier: But yeah, you fine arts people actually should embrace inequal distribution of wealth.
20100527 20:29:45< Aethaeryn> Since you basically do better, the fewer the people are who control wealth.
20100527 20:29:54< Valkier> Depends I suppose.
20100527 20:30:01< Aethaeryn> Since you basically need them beyond an "extravagent excesses" line before they start employing you guys.
20100527 20:30:17< Valkier> Things are a bit differently than they used to be artistically.
20100527 20:30:32< Valkier> You're citing eras where people wanted pictures that gave stories and religious references.
20100527 20:30:34< Aethaeryn> Probably video games employ the most artists.
20100527 20:30:43< Aethaeryn> Valkier: And my problem with (organized) religion is when people claim to know more than they actually do know.
20100527 20:30:44< Valkier> Nowadays it's mostly surrealism and contemporary.
20100527 20:30:48< Aethaeryn> That is inherently dangerous in any field.
20100527 20:31:14< Valkier> So basically yes, it would be a better time for artists but only if they were paying for what you're good at.
20100527 20:31:31< Valkier> Back then everyone was trying to draw and sculpt as realistically as possible. Contemporary was unheard of.
20100527 20:31:38< Valkier> Well, OUR contemporary.
20100527 20:32:08< Aethaeryn> Valkier: well, when the Linux geeks take over the world (they have already been strategically placed at core places in governemnts, businesses, and even financial centers)...
20100527 20:32:17< Valkier> But if people want portraits and still lifes again, heck yeah. I'll be rolling.
20100527 20:32:22< Aethaeryn> You'll need to get really good at making statues, sculptures, and paintings of Tux.
20100527 20:32:29< Valkier> lol
20100527 20:32:55< Valkier> So anyways, I just became a life long logitech whore today.
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20100527 20:33:20< Aethaeryn> Oh, I bought one of their really expensive wireless keyboard/mouse pairs at Best Buy last year.
20100527 20:33:32< Valkier> I had gotten these speakers less than two years ago. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121012
20100527 20:33:33< Aethaeryn> Really good for when I hook my laptop into my 23'' monitor...
20100527 20:33:45< Aethaeryn> Logitech makes some really nice keyboards/mice.
20100527 20:34:06< Valkier> Sound started to crack on them for awhile now, but I didn't think to do anything about it till I realized there's a two year warranty.
20100527 20:34:16< Aethaeryn> Although I do type slower on the Logitech keyboard than my laptop keyboard, I think it's a twofold issue of unfamiliarity (I still use my laptop locally without hooked up more often) and the fact that it's wireless.
20100527 20:34:22< Valkier> So I asked them about getting them replaced. Well they're out of that model of speaker.
20100527 20:34:37< Valkier> So they're going to replace them with these free of charge. http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers_audio/home_pc_speakers/devices/224
20100527 20:34:38< Zarel> Aethaeryn: How expensive is "really expensive"?
20100527 20:34:47< Zarel> You should really buy these things online.
20100527 20:34:48< Aethaeryn> Zarel: been a years so I don't remember.
20100527 20:34:53< Aethaeryn> but it was probably in the $60 to $80 range.
20100527 20:34:57< Aethaeryn> For mouse/keyboard.
20100527 20:35:01< Zarel> Q: Aren't wireless keyboard/mouse combos far better priced online?
20100527 20:35:01< QMarkAI> A: 
20100527 20:35:11< Zarel> ...hmm. Wonder what broke.
20100527 20:35:16< Zarel> QMarkAI: test
20100527 20:35:16< QMarkAI> Zarel: 
20100527 20:35:32< Aethaeryn> And the keyboard has extra buttons...
20100527 20:35:45< Aethaeryn> like a calculator button that actually brings up GNOME's calculator
20100527 20:36:11< Aethaeryn> Go figure, some GNOME geek has a similar keyboard and made sure all the keys work
20100527 20:36:31< Zarel> Well, not necessarily.
20100527 20:36:36< Zarel> They're using standard controls
20100527 20:36:43< Aethaeryn> I said similar keyboard.
20100527 20:36:45< Zarel> But someone should really make them configurable.
20100527 20:36:51< Aethaeryn> Not necssarily even the same brand.
20100527 20:37:01< Zarel> Aethaeryn: If by "similar keyboard" you mean "any keyboard with media keys"
20100527 20:37:10< Aethaeryn> Come on.
20100527 20:37:21< Aethaeryn> Have you seen any keyboard that has a calculator button above the numberpad
20100527 20:37:26< Aethaeryn> I never have before.
20100527 20:38:23< Aethaeryn> found the model number on the back
20100527 20:38:25< Aethaeryn> http://reviews.cnet.com/keyboards/logitech-cordless-desktop-mx3200/4505-3134_7-32040803.html
20100527 20:38:27< Blarumyrran> There are hundreds of keyboards where you can conveniently assign some button as "calculator button", I bet
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20100527 20:39:38< Aethaeryn> No longer vailable from Logitech website.
20100527 20:39:44< Aethaeryn> But :P
20100527 20:39:55< Valkier> I never understood the point of a coordless keyboard.
20100527 20:39:59< Zarel> Aethaeryn: Calculator buttons are fairly common.
20100527 20:40:15< Zarel> I mean, sure, the standard volume controls and play/pause/ff/rewind are more common.
20100527 20:40:22< Aethaeryn> Valkier: if you're going to be using it from a distance...
20100527 20:40:32< Zarel> But if a keyboard has any other button, it probably has a calculator button.
20100527 20:40:35< Aethaeryn> If I wanted a chorded keyboard, I would've...
20100527 20:40:43< Aethaeryn> just used my laptop's keyboard.
20100527 20:40:45< Valkier> I've never been so far from a desk that my chord can't reach.
20100527 20:40:46< Zarel> Which is really silly, since there are far better ways to calculate stuff
20100527 20:40:51< Aethaeryn> since my "desktop" is just a montior/keyboard/mouse...
20100527 20:40:59< Zarel> QMarkAI: What's the square root of five?
20100527 20:41:00< QMarkAI> Zarel: 2.2360679775. 
20100527 20:41:02< Aethaeryn> Still use my laptop for the computing, and for a second scren (IRC chat while I do other things)
20100527 20:41:06< Aethaeryn> http://www.vootar.com/imgs/elementos/1264774055_LogitechMX3200Laser.jpg
20100527 20:41:17< Aethaeryn> This is a very similar keyboard, except I don't have the Chinese on mine.
20100527 20:41:34< Aethaeryn> And the spacebar is longer when it doesn't have 3 Chinese buttons :P
20100527 20:41:52< Aethaeryn> Biggest image I could find though
20100527 20:41:55< Zarel> Aethaeryn: I was going to say "You are a disgrace to your race"
20100527 20:42:01< Zarel> And then I realized you weren't Zerovirus.
20100527 20:42:09< Zarel> So I'll just say "Screw you, that's Japanese"
20100527 20:42:23< Aethaeryn> Okay... Probably should be able to tell...
20100527 20:42:31< Blarumyrran> racist :o :o
20100527 20:42:38< Aethaeryn> but I was busy making sure the buttons were accurate.
20100527 20:42:58< Aethaeryn> anyway, it's a fairly fancy keyboard.
20100527 20:43:50< Zarel> Aethaeryn: How you tell is that Japanese has two kinds of characters: The Chinese kind, and the smaller, curvier kind.
20100527 20:45:06< Aethaeryn> Zarel: but yeah, I disgrace all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusyns
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20100527 20:46:22< Aethaeryn> Tom Ridge and Tom Selleck would be ashamed of me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rusyn_Americans
20100527 20:46:38< Aethaeryn> Gotta love Wikipedia. You know way too much about your ethnic groups this way.
20100527 20:48:30< Aethaeryn> And no, like most Americans, I cannot claim "pure" heritage of any ethnicity. I just liked to pick the most obscure.
20100527 20:48:43< Valkier> heh
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20100527 20:49:23< Aethaeryn> Besides, I like the fact that I'm 50% a minority from Slovakia...
20100527 20:49:43< Aethaeryn> I should be getting minority scholarships. According to Wikipedia, there's less than 100k numbered.
20100527 20:49:57< Aethaeryn> If that's not a minority, I don't know what the hell is.
20100527 20:50:20< Zarel> Aethaeryn: You're not URM.
20100527 20:50:24< Zarel> Neither am I.
20100527 20:50:47< Aethaeryn> Did you see the List of Rusyn Americans?
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20100527 20:50:55< Aethaeryn> How many did you recognize?
20100527 20:51:06< Zarel> There are two requirements to get minority scholarships.
20100527 20:51:12< Zarel> 1. You need to be a minority.
20100527 20:51:24< Zarel> 2. Your minority needs to be... below average intelligence.
20100527 20:51:32< Aethaeryn> Oh.
20100527 20:51:54< Zarel> (That's what URM means)
20100527 20:52:05< Blarumyrran> What does it mean
20100527 20:52:13< Zarel> (Under-repesented minority)
20100527 20:52:16< Aethaeryn> It means that Asians never get any minority scholarships, apparently.
20100527 20:52:35< Zarel> You don't have a List of Famous Rusyns because there's so few of them, not because they're underachieving.
20100527 20:52:36< Blarumyrran> Ah. Wikipedia didn't have it under URM for some reason
20100527 20:52:38< Aethaeryn> No offense intended by stereotyping, but they do seem to have a knack for higher education.
20100527 20:52:45< Aethaeryn> Vs. the average American.
20100527 20:53:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> Asians a $%^&*() brainy
20100527 20:53:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> *are
20100527 20:53:36< Aethaeryn> Odds are, there's a disproportionate amount of Asian Americans on IRC too, since there's so many in tech fields. 
20100527 20:53:40< Tomsik> I dunno, one asian I met on musical academy in my city wasn't too intelligent
20100527 20:53:48< Aethaeryn> I mean it in the broad sense, counting central Asians (India)
20100527 20:53:49< Tomsik> I guess that's just a stereotype
20100527 20:53:59< Blarumyrran> ... India is central asia?
20100527 20:54:08< Aethaeryn> Well, southern Asia
20100527 20:54:12< Aethaeryn> southcentral.
20100527 20:54:18< Aethaeryn> I didn't get enough coffee today.
20100527 20:54:22< Zarel> Blarumyrran: Hmm, "URM" may be college-placement-slang.
20100527 20:54:37< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: There's a danger for positive stereotypes.
20100527 20:54:41< Zarel> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=URM
20100527 20:54:48< Zarel> Urban Dictionary has it, unsurprisingly.
20100527 20:54:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> Tomsik, most of the smartest kids in school are asians
20100527 20:55:06< Aethaeryn> If, for instance, all Rusyns are good actors (look how many actors are on the Wikipedia list)...
20100527 20:55:11< Unnheulu|Laptop> One of them got 100% in maths, the closest to that was only like 92%
20100527 20:55:14< Aethaeryn> And I can't act for the life of me...
20100527 20:55:15< Tomsik> I dunno, there's a few asians in my institute and they're not really the best
20100527 20:55:22< Blarumyrran> Unnheulu|Laptop, most of the kids in schools are asians :P
20100527 20:55:29< Blarumyrran> as most humans are
20100527 20:55:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> :P
20100527 20:55:40< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: We in America like to think in extremely American-centric terms.
20100527 20:55:43< Tomsik> I think you just notice asians more
20100527 20:55:50< Zarel> Blarumyrran: Actually, I don't think that's necessarily true.
20100527 20:55:51< Aethaeryn> So suffix "American" to everything we say.
20100527 20:55:58< Zarel> Asians represent a plurality, but I'm not sure if it's a majority.
20100527 20:55:59< Aethaeryn> so when we talk about "Asians" we mean "Asian Americans"
20100527 20:56:11< Aethaeryn> and when we say "minorities" we mean "minorities in the continental US"
20100527 20:56:20< Aethaeryn> Zarel: I think at least 2 billion
20100527 20:56:24< Zarel> Not even then. We sometimes include Western Europe.
20100527 20:56:26< Aethaeryn> just between China and India
20100527 20:56:29< Zarel> Aethaeryn: At least 3 billion.
20100527 20:56:38< Zarel> Just between China and India and Japan and the Koreas.
20100527 20:56:45< Aethaeryn> So in the broadest sense, counting West Asia and Russia-in-Asia
20100527 20:56:50< Aethaeryn> I think you could get the "majority"
20100527 20:56:54< Zarel> Well, Russians aren't really Asians.
20100527 20:56:54< Aethaeryn> But that's not one distinct ethnicity.
20100527 20:57:05< Aethaeryn> And most of Russia is west of the Urals.
20100527 20:57:07< Zarel> They're technically Asian, but they're not really counted.
20100527 20:57:21< Zarel> I mean, most of Russia's population is in Eastern Europe, even though most of their land is in Asia.
20100527 20:57:21< Aethaeryn> A lot of Russians east of the Ural Mountains are ethnically not European.
20100527 20:57:24< Aethaeryn> Siberians, for instance.
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20100527 20:57:43< Blarumyrran> There's no ethnicity "siberian"
20100527 20:57:45< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia
20100527 20:57:47< Blarumyrran> Most siberians are just russians
20100527 20:57:54< Aethaeryn> The population is 3.879 billion according to Wikipedia
20100527 20:58:00< Zarel> Well, we're splitting hairs.
20100527 20:58:18< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
20100527 20:58:18< Zarel> On average, Asians are higher achieving than white guys, in the US.
20100527 20:58:23< Zarel> I believe Jews are, too.
20100527 20:58:30< Aethaeryn> and the world population is around 6.8 billion
20100527 20:58:31< Blarumyrran> Arabs too
20100527 20:58:37< Aethaeryn> 3.9/6.8
20100527 20:58:51< Aethaeryn> 57%
20100527 20:58:53< Blarumyrran> (since a huge lot of the arabs in US are business people, I've heard)
20100527 20:58:55< Aethaeryn> Yes, they are a majority.
20100527 20:58:57< Aethaeryn> Asians are a majority.
20100527 21:00:07< Tomsik> Well.
20100527 21:00:18< Tomsik> There's about 0.3 billion people in USA
20100527 21:00:38< Tomsik> so I don't know how do you want to count yourselves as any kind of "majority"
20100527 21:02:20< Valkier> Global majority.
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20100527 21:04:40< Zarel> On the Internet, Americans constitute a majority, I think.
20100527 21:04:45< noy> Zarel: thats not surprising
20100527 21:04:53< Zarel> Q: Is it?
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20100527 21:04:55< QMarkAI> A: Of course! 
20100527 21:04:57< Aethaeryn> Zarel: no
20100527 21:05:02< noy> particularly due to changes in immigration law
20100527 21:05:12< Aethaeryn> I think China passed America in mere quantity of Internet users recently.
20100527 21:05:20< Aethaeryn> Maybe on time spent, they're not on as much.
20100527 21:05:31< Aethaeryn> Emerging markets also tend to have a high percentage of cellphone-only users.
20100527 21:06:00< Aethaeryn> Perhaps it's best said that the "traditional" areas of the Internet are majority-Americans.
20100527 21:06:07< Aethaeryn> Such as IRC chat and web forums and stuff
20100527 21:06:52< Zarel> Yeah, well, at any given time, the majority of people are on the Internet are Americans.
20100527 21:07:11< Blarumyrran> There's a lot of brazileans out there on social networks
20100527 21:07:12< Valkier> Most of them trying to ruin someones life at that.
20100527 21:07:26< Tomsik> Zarel: on _English-spearking_ internet
20100527 21:07:34< Aethaeryn> Perhaps it can best be said "Americans are among the largest groups with no life"?
20100527 21:07:47< Tomsik> You can't access rest of the internet
20100527 21:07:49< Tomsik> so you don't see it
20100527 21:08:07< Aethaeryn> Oh, there are non-English Internet corners...
20100527 21:08:15< Aethaeryn> Plenty of them.
20100527 21:08:23< Tomsik> I would rather call English Internet a corner
20100527 21:08:31< Aethaeryn> English just happens to be the majority-language of business...
20100527 21:08:33< Zarel> Tomsik: Erm, that's why I'm not talking about myself.
20100527 21:08:36< Aethaeryn> Probably the majority of the "clean Internet"
20100527 21:08:41< Zarel> Tomsik: I'm talking about studies that have been done on this subject.
20100527 21:08:45< Aethaeryn> the Internet everyone knows of, the big sites.
20100527 21:08:59< Tomsik> gotta run
20100527 21:09:00< Zarel> Tomsik: Would you happen to know more about accurate data-collection than a professional scientist?
20100527 21:09:01< Tomsik> afk
20100527 21:09:24< Blarumyrran> Zarel, anonymous, undated professional scientist? :P
20100527 21:09:46< Zarel> Of course. I can't be bothered to remember the bylines of papers I read. :P
20100527 21:09:50< Zarel> Or dates or titles. :P
20100527 21:10:18< Zarel> Also, I _can_ access the rest of the Internet. I do know like four languages fluently enough to read them.
20100527 21:10:33< Aethaeryn> Zarel: Oh, so you read it in a paper.
20100527 21:10:36< Zarel> And being ethnically Chinese, I do get dragged into that section of the Internet often enough.
20100527 21:10:42< Aethaeryn> I'm sorry, all journalists should be forced to major in statistics.
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20100527 21:10:55< Aethaeryn> Or even just take one stats class.
20100527 21:10:58< Aethaeryn> They always get it wrong.
20100527 21:11:04< Zarel> Aethaeryn: I don't trust newspapers to report anything other than the fact that a court case exists.
20100527 21:11:11< Zarel> And what the verdict was.
20100527 21:11:11< Aethaeryn> They miss out on key things like "Correlation doesn't mean causation"
20100527 21:11:12< Blarumyrran> statistics is mind-numbing though
20100527 21:11:14< Aethaeryn> very key things.
20100527 21:11:40< Aethaeryn> Perhaps cancer patients like to use cell phones? ;)
20100527 21:11:42< Blarumyrran> You calculate your spearmans and pearsons and shapiros, and in the end you get a "probablilty" that you will test against a wholly arbitrarily chosen value
20100527 21:11:49< StealthyCoin> Whats mind numbing about it?
20100527 21:12:07< Blarumyrran> it doesn't feel as rewarding as drawing or programmind
20100527 21:12:12< Blarumyrran> programming*
20100527 21:12:21< Zarel> Aethaeryn: Best way to get accurate information: Read the comments section of the Slashdot article, look for comments containing "ARRGH THAT'S SO WRONG"
20100527 21:12:58< Zarel> Aethaeryn: And most people miss out on things like "Correlation is the first sign of causation"
20100527 21:13:20< Zarel> It's best not to rely on trite quotations if you're looking for the truth.
20100527 21:13:37< Valkier> I use a magic 8 ball and a bottle of whiskey.
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20100527 21:13:43< Valkier> It's about as trustowrthy as anything.
20100527 21:13:51< Aethaeryn> Zarel: Slashdot commments are actually quite nice.
20100527 21:13:53< Aethaeryn> Especially on tech stuff.
20100527 21:14:01< Zarel> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ipad
20100527 21:14:09< Zarel> "Stop this, it'll make you earn too much money!"
20100527 21:14:13< Aethaeryn> There'll be someone who is (or at the very least claims to be) an expert in the field for 20 years
20100527 21:14:21< Zarel> These guys really need to work on their persuading skills.
20100527 21:14:23< Aethaeryn> Who writes a 3-5 paragraph refutation of the thesis based on firsthand experience.
20100527 21:14:33< Aethaeryn> Zarel: The FSF has gone way out into left field.
20100527 21:14:41< Aethaeryn> And lost their marbles.
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20100527 21:15:08< Aethaeryn> Zarel: When they say Debian and Fedora aren't free enough, they're just plain wrong.
20100527 21:15:23< Zarel> wtf
20100527 21:15:28< Aethaeryn> Debian and Fedora are the two freest of the major distros you can find... and either is much more "free software" oriented than Ubuntu.
20100527 21:15:34< Zarel> Anyone who thinks Debian isn't free enough is insane. :/
20100527 21:15:44< Valkier> Arch Linux forever!
20100527 21:15:46< Aethaeryn> Debian and Fedora have the two strictest policies, I think.
20100527 21:16:03< Aethaeryn> You can leave it to the fanboys to debate which one is freer, I personally think both are "free enough"
20100527 21:16:06< Zarel> Debian regularly rejects new Warzone submissions because we accidentally used CC-BY-2.0 instead of CC-BY-3.0 in the license to one of the icons in the interface or something.
20100527 21:16:19< Aethaeryn> Though I use Fedora because I like RPMs, frequent release cycles, and Firefox being branded as Firefox.
20100527 21:16:41< Zarel> Aethaeryn: Litmus test:
20100527 21:16:50< Zarel> If Firefox is branded Firefox, it's not free enough. ;)
20100527 21:16:58< Aethaeryn> Not necessarily.
20100527 21:17:05< Aethaeryn> In a sense, Fedora is freer than Debian.
20100527 21:17:20< Aethaeryn> Fedora doesn't allow MP3s or other nonfree packages even into a nonfree repository.
20100527 21:17:36< Aethaeryn> There has to be a third-party "RPM fusion" that official documentation is forbidden from mentioning.
20100527 21:17:40< Aethaeryn> Debian ain't that strict.
20100527 21:17:46< Christheturtle> Linux ftw. <3
20100527 21:17:59< Aethaeryn> So even though Debian has a harder defintion of "free" they also make it way easier to install "nonfree"
20100527 21:18:24< elias> installing external rpms isn't that hard either though :P
20100527 21:18:34< Aethaeryn> (It's called RPM fusion, btw, because 2 or 3 third-party repositories merged)
20100527 21:18:57< Aethaeryn> and yeah, any unofficial "set-up-Fedora" guide will get you to having flash, MP3s, etc.
20100527 21:19:07< Zarel> http://twitter.com/Microsoft/status/14850981422
20100527 21:19:11< Zarel> :(
20100527 21:19:16< Aethaeryn> Oh, within the next 4 years, MP3 patents will continue to expire, btw
20100527 21:19:26< Aethaeryn> Maybe by 2014 Fedora will be able to have MP3s again
20100527 21:19:36< elias> microsoft is dieing... it's all apple and google now :/
20100527 21:19:46< Aethaeryn> Fedora 21 or Fedora 22 will have MP3 support official :)
20100527 21:19:54< Zarel> Aethaeryn: Well, Red Hat is for-profit.
20100527 21:19:56< Zarel> So meh.
20100527 21:20:14< Aethaeryn> Zarel: Fedora is not Red Hat.
20100527 21:20:22< Aethaeryn> Red Hat just pays for top Fedora people to work full time.
20100527 21:20:23< Zarel> It's sponsored
20100527 21:20:29< Aethaeryn> So that they can, you know, work full time.
20100527 21:20:38< Aethaeryn> Since it's pretty hard to profit off of something you give away for free.
20100527 21:20:46< Aethaeryn> At least Red Hat is profitable. Canonnical is not.
20100527 21:20:51< Blarumyrran> I heard solaris is back to making money also for some reason
20100527 21:20:57< Aethaeryn> And Red Hat is *very* profitable.
20100527 21:21:24< Aethaeryn> Give it 10 years of luck, and maybe you'll be talking about "Apple, Google, and Red Hat" ;)
20100527 21:22:14< Valkier> I would dual boot Windows and Google on a macbook.
20100527 21:22:30< Aethaeryn> Google's OS would probably be too much of a "thin client"
20100527 21:22:56< Aethaeryn> I'd much rather use Fedora and if Android became a desktop OS I bet there'd be a compatability layer
20100527 21:23:01< Aethaeryn> since it's all Linux anyway.
20100527 21:23:23< Aethaeryn> But I do think the strategy of Google (and to some extent, Apple) is "everything but desktop"
20100527 21:23:38< Christheturtle> Googles OS, I read in a magazine somewhere, is a very "thin client" aimed at mini-pc's and notebooks.
20100527 21:23:41< Aethaeryn> "Hey, Microsoft, you monopolize desktops, yeah, but we'll make them obsolete in 5 years time. Then where are you going to profit frome?"
20100527 21:23:54< Aethaeryn> Christheturtle: There's two Google OSes. Chrome OS and Android.
20100527 21:24:05< Aethaeryn> Chrome OS is aimed at netbooks, and is basically... just Chrome.
20100527 21:24:09< Aethaeryn> Just the browser.
20100527 21:24:17< Christheturtle> Yeah, I was talking about the Chrome. 
20100527 21:24:30< Aethaeryn> Android, if larger installations had Chrome-the-browser proper, woudl basically obsolete Chrome OS
20100527 21:24:36< Aethaeryn> Android has the "popular" factor behind it.
20100527 21:24:42< Christheturtle> Android ftw.
20100527 21:24:46< Aethaeryn> By larger installations I mean "larger than smartphones"
20100527 21:25:00< Aethaeryn> as in, Android on TV and tablets having Chrome itself.
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20100527 21:52:46< Unnheulu> Well, if this isn't fun
20100527 21:53:01< Unnheulu> I'm using ascension era, with 4 units+leader
20100527 21:53:12< Unnheulu> I debugged them all 1,000,000,000xp
20100527 21:53:20< Unnheulu> And gave them all 30mp
20100527 21:54:09< Unnheulu> The AI doesn't stand a chance
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20100527 22:02:10< Unnheulu> Rather boring now though
20100527 22:02:14< Unnheulu> The ai's turns take ages
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20100527 22:14:37< ancestral> Anyone use jQueryUI?
20100527 22:15:37 * Unnheulu shakes his head
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20100527 22:15:45< Unnheulu> ancestral, neat work on the unit editor
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20100527 22:16:15< Unnheulu> I was going to make a standalone gui editor but now you've made that I don't have to
20100527 22:16:31< ancestral> Thanks
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20100527 22:16:56< Unnheulu> Oh, and if you read the logs, just before you joined you'll see how much fun I'm having with ascension^^
20100527 22:17:12< Unnheulu> I gave all my units 1billion xp
20100527 22:17:20< Unnheulu> And 30-50move points
20100527 22:17:21< ancestral> I need to put in some more powerful widgets
20100527 22:17:27< ancestral> Cool :)
20100527 22:18:00< Unnheulu> Are you using php or js btw?
20100527 22:18:55< ancestral> JS though I know a fair deal of PHP and I've used it in the past
20100527 22:19:03< Unnheulu> kay
20100527 22:19:06< Unnheulu> Not python then? :P
20100527 22:19:52< ancestral> No, I know Perl but not Python
20100527 22:20:24< Unnheulu> Heh
20100527 22:20:24< ancestral> It's like the one language I not that familiar with (but perhaps ought to be)
20100527 22:20:54< Unnheulu> Mind if I see the code for your editor?
20100527 22:21:00< Unnheulu> I just wanna see how javascript works I guess
20100527 22:21:48< ancestral> Well there's no functional code ATM
20100527 22:22:02< Unnheulu> Kay
20100527 22:22:08< Unnheulu> Brb
20100527 22:22:31< ancestral> Of corse there's plenty of HTML in thar
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20100527 22:30:51< Unnheulu> ancestral, d'ya know any languages not used in web development?
20100527 22:35:21< ancestral> C, C++, Java (ok that's web dev I guess), Perl, AppleScript
20100527 22:35:46< ancestral> Unnheulu: I'm just a very rusty coder
20100527 22:36:10< Unnheulu> ;)
20100527 22:36:25< ancestral> I've played with Tcl
20100527 22:37:37< Unnheulu> gtg bye
20100527 22:37:50< Unnheulu> Keep up the work on the unit editor!
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20100527 22:56:55< Christheturtle> Bah!
20100527 22:56:57< Christheturtle> Stupid bot.
20100527 23:04:48< Zarel> Christheturtle: ?
20100527 23:05:25< Zarel> Gah, ancestral is wrong. Perl is commonly used in Web dev, and C and C++ are rare but not unheard of.
20100527 23:05:28< Christheturtle> Lol nothing, I was trying to make a bot in Python and I phailed. I've never attempted to make a bot before.
20100527 23:06:58< Christheturtle> I could do it tbh, I've just lost interest.
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20100527 23:30:57< Christheturtle> Zarel: Does your website offer hosting?
20100527 23:31:01< Christheturtle> Franbot: about
20100527 23:31:09< Christheturtle> Wrong channel, hah.
20100527 23:31:21< Zarel> Christheturtle: Yes.
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20100527 23:31:23< Zarel> novahost.org
20100527 23:31:32< Zarel> It's currently on hold, but I can make an exception for you
20100527 23:31:57< Christheturtle> You soley own the website/company?
20100527 23:32:03< Aethaeryn> Weak.
20100527 23:32:17< Aethaeryn> Everyone should get a business Internet connection and their own high-end desktop to host their own stuff locally.
20100527 23:32:20< Aethaeryn> Stupid "cloud"
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20100527 23:33:51< Zarel> Christheturtle: No, I'm one of two people on staff.
20100527 23:35:16< bp0> paypal uses perl
20100527 23:35:50< bp0> s/uses/is built with/
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