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20100529 02:18:44< shadowmaster> well, I hadn't used pidgin for IRC before
20100529 02:19:01< shadowm_solaris> as I suspected, it sucks
20100529 02:19:07< shadowm_solaris> where the hell did the registration messages go?
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20100529 02:20:29< King_Elendil> hi shadowmaster :)
20100529 02:20:49<@shadowmaster> Zarel: what's QMarkAI doing here?
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20100529 02:22:38< omero> isn't the game a bit too rng oriented?
20100529 02:22:49-!- mode/#wesnoth [-o shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20100529 02:23:06< shadowmaster> no, it isn't
20100529 02:23:37< omero> then I'm missing something
20100529 02:24:03< shadowmaster> you are missing all the whinners who have got their threads locked for insisting that the RNG is unfair when it's just being a RNG :P
20100529 02:25:12< omero> then it takes more than I thought
20100529 02:25:31< omero> I had to ask, though
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20100529 06:12:26< shadowmaster> Zarel: you are around, aren't you?
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20100529 06:13:03< shadowmaster> in any case, re http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=431009#p431009, I believe you haven't contributed patches to mainline, and that your art contributions are public domain
20100529 06:13:36< Zarel> shadowmaster: Okay, so that plus a few other technicalities. :P
20100529 06:13:40< shadowmaster> so even if it's a joke, it kind of goes against your obsession with public domain :P
20100529 06:14:30< Zarel> Yeah, well, pretty much all my patches to any OSS project are CC-0, too, so I wouldn't have standing anyway.
20100529 06:15:39< Zarel> shadowmaster: I didn't see that thread.
20100529 06:16:00< shadowmaster> I thought so
20100529 06:19:43< Zarel> For reference, it wasn't so much a joke as an observation that Wesnoth has _tons_ of contributors, any of whom could potentially sue.
20100529 06:20:13< Zarel> Well, I doubt it'd get there. More plausible is that someone gets disgruntled, writes Apple a nastygram, and BfW for iPhone gets taken down. :(
20100529 06:21:28< Zarel> shadowmaster: I don't see anything in the posting guidelines regarding introduction threads...
20100529 06:22:17< ancestral> shadowmaster: to be honest, I want to see Dave or KylePoole say something about this
20100529 06:22:20< shadowmaster> Zarel: you missed a lot
20100529 06:22:26< ancestral> So that way people can see that and be like, okay
20100529 06:22:29< shadowmaster> I just deleted 17 spam posts from that guy
20100529 06:22:58< Zarel> shadowmaster: Oh, I thought the locking of the intro thread and the posting guidelines link was related.
20100529 06:23:00< ancestral> I think people are missing why GNU Go got taken down; it was about the "usage rules"
20100529 06:23:01< Zarel> ancestral: They did.
20100529 06:23:12< ancestral> It's own post? Link?
20100529 06:23:22< Zarel> ancestral: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=430715#p430715
20100529 06:23:24< Zarel> is Dave's post.
20100529 06:23:27< ancestral> Almost deserves sticky to be honest
20100529 06:23:31< Zarel> KylePoole hasn't commented on it.
20100529 06:24:00< shadowmaster> KylePoole tends to be really lazy in regards to the forums
20100529 06:24:01< ancestral> Again, people are missing why GNU Go was taken done
20100529 06:24:03< ancestral> *down
20100529 06:24:11< ancestral> It wasn't about access to source code
20100529 06:24:20< ancestral> It was about distribution restrictions
20100529 06:24:22< shadowmaster> if he weren't like that, this wouldn't happen http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&p=431013#p431013
20100529 06:24:40< shadowmaster> yes, iPhone forum etc.
20100529 06:24:53< shadowmaster> the higher powers don't want that
20100529 06:25:11< shadowmaster> creating a separate forum a.k.a. subforum for the iPhone/iPad ports, I mean.
20100529 06:25:18< Zarel> GNU Go was taken down because the Apple's App Store DRM is incompatible with the GPL, thus anything distributed with the App Store violates the GPL.
20100529 06:25:41< Zarel> shadowmaster: I thought you were the higher powers in question? Is Dave overruling you?
20100529 06:25:42< ancestral> The DRM as it pertains to distribution
20100529 06:25:48< shadowmaster> Zarel: nah :P
20100529 06:25:58< shadowmaster> I'm the second-highest power and Dave is like the zeroth.
20100529 06:26:05< Zarel> Noy, then?
20100529 06:26:08< shadowmaster> there's a first-highest power whose name shall not be mentioned
20100529 06:26:11< shadowmaster> no
20100529 06:26:12< noy> ?
20100529 06:26:17< shadowmaster> okay, Ivanovic 
20100529 06:26:23< ancestral> The Man Behind The Curtain
20100529 06:26:24< Zarel> lol, that was my second guess. :P
20100529 06:26:28< ancestral> or Mr. I
20100529 06:26:36< shadowmaster> he didn't agree with the idea about creating an iPhone forum when we discussed it
20100529 06:26:47< shadowmaster> and I also feel we have too many forums already
20100529 06:27:05< shadowmaster> subforums? they take too much space from the viewforum view with our default style (subsilver2/wesnoth)
20100529 06:27:08< ancestral> At times it is a lively community…
20100529 06:27:37< Zarel> shadowmaster: Really? Isn't it just one line?
20100529 06:27:45< Zarel> "Subforums: foo, bar, blah"
20100529 06:27:47< shadowmaster> viewforum, not index view
20100529 06:27:53< Zarel> Oh.
20100529 06:28:09< shadowmaster> I tried making some for Mainline Campaign Feedback and it didn't look pretty
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20100529 06:29:05< Zarel> http://forums.wz2100.net/viewforum.php?f=6
20100529 06:29:08< Zarel> Don't seem _that_ bad...
20100529 06:29:10< shadowmaster> I think we need a multi-column index
20100529 06:29:26< shadowmaster> Zarel: that's prosilver :/
20100529 06:29:46< shadowmaster> and you don't display forum moderators in forum info cells
20100529 06:29:52< Zarel> Technically, it's SE Square Left modified to fit the Warzone layout.
20100529 06:30:01< ancestral> I like Wesnoth's current layout better
20100529 06:30:27< shadowmaster> I think prosilver is nice but the icons suck horribly
20100529 06:30:44< ancestral> shadowmaster: perhaps someone could come up with a CSS override
20100529 06:30:50< ancestral> stylesheet
20100529 06:30:53< shadowmaster> I can barely tell the difference from a read thread and one with unread posts in the viewforum page without taking a look at the colors
20100529 06:30:55< Zarel> Well, we have global moderators and that's it. We don't really have enough fragmentation to have people trusted to moderate one forum section but not another.
20100529 06:31:06< shadowmaster> yeah, it's easy to replace the icons when you have good replacement icons :P
20100529 06:31:36< ancestral> Zarel: Gambit seems pretty excited to moderate Experimental
20100529 06:31:43< Zarel> shadowmaster: Erm, isn't there a pretty big difference between bright orange icon and a "View New Posts" link, compared to faded blue and no such link?
20100529 06:32:06< Zarel> ancestral: Yeah, over at Warzone 2100 an equivalent person would be allowed to moderate everywhere.
20100529 06:32:14< shadowmaster> bright orange icon?
20100529 06:32:33< shadowmaster> the icon itself isn't any different but the outline is of a different color
20100529 06:32:42< shadowmaster> and since the outline is so thin...
20100529 06:32:56< shadowmaster> I also tend to miss the view new posts links
20100529 06:33:22< shadowmaster> in any case, I want to sleep. Good night.
20100529 06:34:25< ancestral> I'm just glad Wesnoth's forum doesn't look like this, for example: http://frc.proboards.com/ where the threads are laden with ads and people which obnoxious animated gif signatures 500 pixels high…
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20100529 08:17:28< Blueblaze> liar
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20100529 08:27:04< ancestral> Blueblaze: inorite!
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20100529 09:50:20< Ivanovic> moin
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20100529 11:53:34< Unnheulu> eyerouge, what's up with that picture...
20100529 11:53:44< eyerouge> Unnheulu: ?
20100529 11:53:50< Unnheulu> wtactics
20100529 11:54:02< eyerouge> Unnheulu: Which picture?
20100529 11:54:14< Unnheulu> In your example
20100529 11:55:01< eyerouge> Unnheulu: I've given many examples and since it's a ccg there are many pictures.
20100529 11:55:11< Unnheulu> In the games devel thread
20100529 11:55:34< eyerouge> Unnheulu: ah. elf picture, "bound by love"?
20100529 11:55:39< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100529 11:55:46< Unnheulu> I think that was its name
20100529 11:55:51< Unnheulu> *think*
20100529 11:55:56< eyerouge> Unnheulu: I don't know. What's up with that?
20100529 11:56:11< Unnheulu> Stop hilighting me ;P
20100529 11:56:22< Unnheulu> Well, you see, when I opened that link
20100529 11:56:30< Unnheulu> The top of my screen is higher than my head
20100529 11:56:33< Unnheulu> So its up ;)
20100529 11:57:35< Unnheulu> (Okok, that's not what I meant, but, I guess like...)
20100529 11:57:36< eyerouge> Unnheulu: I'm not sure I follow your question/point about the picture, to be honest.  (It's convention to type the name of the person you adress on irc, if convo is in an open channel ; ) 
20100529 11:57:45< Unnheulu> hmm
20100529 11:57:58< Unnheulu> Convention varies per channel
20100529 11:58:27< Unnheulu> And plus, I'm dual screening with irc taking up a full screen, so I notice when you talk anyway
20100529 11:58:54< Sacho> Well, the chatter on this channel is little enough that you wouldn't have misunderstandings.
20100529 11:59:05< eyerouge> Unnheulu: Possibly. But I frankly don't care what the convention is in this channel when it comes to that specific point: It's illogical to have it otherwise, especially if and when there were more than two parties active in the discussion or people want to have a chance to partake in it.
20100529 11:59:17< Unnheulu> Fair enough :/
20100529 11:59:30< Unnheulu> D'ya mind if I see the php for your replay parser?
20100529 11:59:42< Unnheulu> I'm bored right now and wanna look at some code other than my own or xmotos
20100529 12:00:10< eyerouge> Unnheulu: No, I don't: It's GPL, and it's downloadable from it's thread in the forum somewhere. Tell me if you can't find it and I'll give you direct URL.
20100529 12:00:17< Unnheulu> Ok
20100529 12:00:30< Unnheulu> Ok, thanks
20100529 12:00:37< eyerouge> Unnheulu: You're contributing to xmoto? 
20100529 12:00:43< Unnheulu> Yup
20100529 12:00:50< Unnheulu> The lead developer left the project
20100529 12:01:23< eyerouge> Unnheulu: Nice. =) It's a nice project... and a pretty good game in it's genre. 
20100529 12:01:50< eyerouge> Unnheulu: Why did the lead leave?
20100529 12:02:01< Unnheulu> Because the origional developer didn't like his code
20100529 12:02:19< Unnheulu> He didn't want to code stuff that wasn't getting the blessings of the origonal developer
20100529 12:02:33< eyerouge> Unnheulu:  Hrm.. ok.
20100529 12:02:34< Unnheulu> Plus he wasn't too popular with the majority of the community
20100529 12:02:43 * eyerouge smiles.
20100529 12:03:22< Unnheulu> Urgh, I really hate the new xubuntu
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20100529 12:26:30< eyerouge> Unnheulu: Is there a roadmap for xmoto? Ionly found the tracker & the wishlist.
20100529 12:26:54< Unnheulu> eyerouge, not really, it's mainly what the coders and community want for the new release
20100529 12:27:14< eyerouge> Unnheulu: oki.
20100529 12:27:22< Unnheulu> ie, I wanna do achievements, and the ex-lead has almost finished multiple bikes
20100529 12:28:30< eyerouge> Unnheulu: Multiple as in simultaneous on the screen or getting to choose betwewen different bikes before you drive?
20100529 12:29:34< Unnheulu> Choose between different bikes
20100529 12:29:40< Unnheulu> You can already have local and online multiplayer
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20100529 12:33:39< eyerouge> Unnheulu: Great stuff... didn't know about the added MP-thingie... and selectig bikes would also be very nice, depending on how many variables that make them different. Which parts of the bikes will be so? 
20100529 12:33:51< Unnheulu> Hmm
20100529 12:33:58< Unnheulu> Almost everything can be changed
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20100529 12:34:08< Unnheulu> Wheel size, speed, biker size, bike shape
20100529 12:34:44< Unnheulu> Maybe I'll finish it for him once I've finished achievements and more mp stuff
20100529 12:35:26< Unnheulu> But, I'm coding my own game at the same time
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20100529 12:36:45< eyerouge> Unnheulu: will the bike changes have effects on the physics, or is it visuals only?  Where's info about your own stuff?
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20100529 12:37:04< Unnheulu> it's mostly physics
20100529 12:37:16< Unnheulu> But the shape of the art can be changed to iirc
20100529 12:41:33< eyerouge> Unnheulu: getdeb seems to be down, so your link to the deb-package is the same... might want to mirror if it's for long. 
20100529 12:41:43< Unnheulu> I know
20100529 12:41:47< Unnheulu> Ex-leads fault
20100529 12:43:40< eyerouge> Unnheulu: Speaking of which: http://xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?page=contributors gives the impression you guys have an army of active developers... it should really be divided into 2 sections: One for retired, one for active. Else people that have the skills and would have helped out if they knew you were few will believe you're in no need of assistance.
20100529 12:43:57< Unnheulu> truetrue
20100529 12:44:15< Unnheulu> There are only two active developers now, me and some guy called ancient, but neither of us are on the list
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20100529 14:30:01< Pixi> Hello?
20100529 14:30:13< Valkier> Hello!
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20100529 14:31:47< Pixi> I'm having some weird trouble with wesnoth, when i try playing an online multiplayer game, maybe one of you could help me?
20100529 14:32:38< Gambit> Possibly. We might need to know what the problem is though.
20100529 14:34:00< Pixi> the problem is, that every time the server data is loaded and the actual screen with the games should appear, wensoth is aborted due to some weird MS Windows Visual C++ run time error
20100529 14:34:04< Valkier> Gambit is like a genie!
20100529 14:34:20< Pixi> i've already installes the latest version, but it didn't help
20100529 14:34:37< Gambit> Pixi: 1.8 or 1.8.1?
20100529 14:34:50< Gambit> The new lobby was very crashy in 1.8
20100529 14:35:01< Pixi> 1.8.1
20100529 14:35:24< Gambit> And when you say latest version do you mean of Wesnoth or of the Visual C++ Runtime?
20100529 14:35:36< Pixi> wesnoth
20100529 14:35:48< Pixi> i never installed any visual c++ runtime stuff
20100529 14:38:50< Pixi> the error msg itself say something about the visual c++ runtime library trying to terminate in an unusual way, but doesn't give any further info
20100529 14:39:58< Gambit> Pixi: Sorry. That's out of my league :(
20100529 14:40:11< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/
20100529 14:41:01< Pixi> too bad, thought i'd give it a shot
20100529 14:41:05< Pixi> i'll have a look there
20100529 14:41:07< Pixi> thx anyway
20100529 14:41:24< Valkier> So what's up, Gambit?
20100529 14:42:48< Gambit> Valkier: Ummm my ghrelin levels?
20100529 14:43:53 * Gambit is going to make some eggs.
20100529 14:44:01< Gambit> Then his cholesterol will be up! wooo
20100529 14:44:12< Gambit> But his ghrelin levels won't be.
20100529 14:46:14< Valkier> Wha?
20100529 14:46:53< Valkier> You swallow bleach to kill that stuff.
20100529 14:47:00< Valkier> Everyone knows that.
20100529 14:47:03< Gambit> Valkier: ghrelin is a hormone that lets you know when you're hungry.
20100529 14:47:14< Gambit> And I think everyone knows that bleach is not to be ingested.
20100529 14:47:20< Valkier> Pfft
20100529 14:47:33< Valkier> We in Valhala drink it like water!
20100529 14:47:40< Valkier> And then we sing a song.
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20100529 14:49:59< Gambit> Valkier: I hear it's really good with a little ammonia.
20100529 14:51:45< Valkier> Sometimes
20100529 14:52:02< Valkier> Personally, I prefer anti-freeze. Gives it a nice sweet after taste.
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20100529 15:07:54< jellow> I can't run it full screened i get this error http://pastebin.com/siyJkzB2
20100529 15:08:47< jellow> I ran wesnoth -f -r 800x400
20100529 15:11:27< Gambit> Did you try loading the game in windowed and then switching to fullscreen?
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20100529 15:13:32< jellow> Gambit: no 
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20100529 15:14:11< Gambit> jellow: Worth a shot.
20100529 15:16:18< jellow> I just tried says it needs must support 1024x724 blah blah 
20100529 15:17:14< Gambit> You resolution is really 800x400?
20100529 15:17:29< Gambit> What a weird display. Perhaps you need a different gui mode.
20100529 15:18:15< jellow> It's an eeepc very small screen :(
20100529 15:18:19< Gambit> I know there's something called small gui.
20100529 15:18:34< Gambit> Perhaps that'd work, or maybe there's a OMGUBERWIDE gui.
20100529 15:19:15< Gambit> jellow: forum search for the win :D
20100529 15:19:18< Gambit> try  --smallgui --resolution 800x480
20100529 15:19:30< Gambit> *400
20100529 15:20:22< jellow> splendid, works!
20100529 15:20:36< jellow> thanks man 
20100529 15:21:04< Gambit> Congrats.
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20100529 15:22:54< Gambit> Perhaps a tech support section of the wiki should be developed (if not already there).
20100529 15:23:09< Gambit> My problem is with the...
20100529 15:23:23< Gambit> I am on... [operating system]
20100529 15:24:05< Valkier> Seems like it would be hard to do.
20100529 15:24:51< Gambit> Self help wikis are huge with ISPs and web hosting companies.
20100529 15:25:29< Gambit> And not just for self help, the employees can use them most of the time too when they get a call.
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20100529 15:37:50< Ykstort> YES! i beat th evalley of trolls on an orcish incursion campaign
20100529 15:38:03< Ykstort> tis a difficult scenario
20100529 15:38:14< Ykstort> never beat it before now :)
20100529 15:40:23< Valkier> Well congrats. :-)
20100529 15:41:10< Ykstort> of the 4 novice campaigns, ive beaten all of them except an orcish incursion
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20100529 15:41:18< Ykstort> because i kept getting stuck on the valley of trolls
20100529 15:41:24< Ykstort> but now i can complete this campaign maybe :D
20100529 15:41:38< Valkier> Well rock on brother.
20100529 15:41:50< Valkier> I'm terrible at this game, so I doubt I'll ever be able to beat it.
20100529 15:42:06< Ykstort> have you beaten any of the other novice campaigns?
20100529 15:42:31< Ykstort> heir to the throne is really long but not too hard, the south guard and the tale of two brothers are pretty easy
20100529 15:42:40< Valkier> I think heir to the throne maybe.
20100529 15:42:54< Ykstort> did you play it on the easiest difficulty or middle?
20100529 15:43:02< Ykstort> i used to play stuff on easy but now i play on mid difficulty
20100529 15:43:09< Valkier> Middle usually.
20100529 15:43:21< Ykstort> which i read actually makes the orcish incursion scenario "valley of trolls" easier
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20100529 15:43:33< Ykstort> on easy its too difficult to level up enough troops
20100529 15:43:37< Valkier> Steve Jobs is here!
20100529 15:43:38< Ykstort> and you need lots of l2 troops to beat the trolls
20100529 15:55:11< zookeeper> fine, i guess i've heard about the valley of trolls difficulty enough times now that i'll go and tweak it a bit even though it's not my job...
20100529 15:55:13 * zookeeper grumbles
20100529 15:56:12< Valkier> <3 Zookeeper.
20100529 15:56:28< zookeeper> Ykstort, what's the main difficulty in that scenario? the leaders being lvl3 or there being so many (max 4 at a time) lvl2 trolls?
20100529 15:57:22< Valkier> Out of curiousity, Zookeeper, how does a campaign become mainline?
20100529 15:57:41< Valkier> Does someone make a UMC that people just like enough for it to become mainline or something?
20100529 15:57:58< zookeeper> well, it has happened in various ways
20100529 15:58:17< zookeeper> all the mainline campaigns except HttT and THoT have originally been UMC AFAIK
20100529 15:59:41< Valkier> I figured.
20100529 15:59:55< Valkier> There just doesn't really seem to be any continuity to any of them.
20100529 15:59:56< zookeeper> so basically a campaign becomes mainline when a dev wants it to become mainline and when the other devs won't object too much :P
20100529 16:00:08< Valkier> heh
20100529 16:00:18< zookeeper> what do you mean, no continuity?
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20100529 16:00:42< Valkier> Well they all take place in the same world, but one story doesn't really flow into any other.
20100529 16:00:51< zookeeper> sure campaigns are rarely direct sequels or prequels to one another, but surely there's lots and lots of overlap and references between them
20100529 16:01:06< Valkier> Maybe I just missed it then.
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20100529 16:01:28< zookeeper> maybe. pick a campaign and i'll explain how it ties into the others :P
20100529 16:01:34< Valkier> DiD
20100529 16:01:49< zookeeper> ok, well, i was just about to type that there are a few exceptions which don't tie into the others much...
20100529 16:01:54< Valkier> lol
20100529 16:02:20< zookeeper> DiD is one of them, although it ties into IftU a lot
20100529 16:02:29< Valkier> I liked DiD, don't get me wrong.
20100529 16:02:38< Valkier> But the whole time it almost felt like its own enclosed universe.
20100529 16:03:19< zookeeper> no disagreement there
20100529 16:03:35< Valkier> How much do you know about NR?
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20100529 16:04:13< zookeeper> well, i've never played it past the second scenario, so not much
20100529 16:04:21< Valkier> Damn
20100529 16:04:30< Valkier> Means I'll have to play through it...
20100529 16:05:05< zookeeper> there seems to be a few people who enjoy campaigns like that, but everyone else hates it i think
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20100529 16:05:49< Valkier> Well it's the campaign I am looking in to doing portraits for.
20100529 16:06:09< Valkier> But I like to know the personalities of the characters before I draw them.
20100529 16:06:56< zookeeper> you decided to draw portraits for a campaign you haven't played? rare, but if that's what you want..
20100529 16:07:06< Valkier> It's undead.
20100529 16:07:12< Valkier> That's apparently my thing here.
20100529 16:07:46< Valkier> Gonna be doing portraits for DiD too most likely. Played through that to learn it.
20100529 16:09:32< artisticdude> Better portraits are always a +.
20100529 16:10:42< Valkier> Well there's not much left to do for the units.
20100529 16:10:58< Valkier> I'll be finishing up the skeletons and the ghoul line, but that's about it apparently.
20100529 16:11:29< Valkier> For undead anyhow.
20100529 16:13:37< Gambit> What do you get when you necromance a dead skeleton?
20100529 16:13:48< Valkier> Lindsey Lohan
20100529 16:14:25< Gambit> really now
20100529 16:14:49< zookeeper> Valkier, i agree that undead are your thing, but too bad we don't have much undead campaigns (using much undead portraits anyway)
20100529 16:15:09< Valkier> Yeah. It's cool though.
20100529 16:15:19< Valkier> I called dibs on the ancient liches in NR at the very least.
20100529 16:15:19< VurtualRuler98> Create a zombie survival campaign then.
20100529 16:15:32< Valkier> lol
20100529 16:15:34< VurtualRuler98> Where you deal with zombies taunting you, then you become one if you die, and continue attacking your friends!
20100529 16:15:41< Valkier> I could always try to start a UMC with a partner
20100529 16:15:55< Valkier> Maybe take it mainline.
20100529 16:16:10< zookeeper> if i ever start serious work on one campaign i've half-planned, it's gonna need a few undead portraits ;)
20100529 16:16:20< Valkier> lol
20100529 16:16:23< VurtualRuler98> make it really zoomed in so individual villages are actually tiny towns or something.
20100529 16:16:26< Valkier> Well maybe you and I could collaborate.
20100529 16:16:35< artisticdude> All this talk of campaigns is making me feel guilty. :(
20100529 16:16:48< VurtualRuler98> sham-pagins?
20100529 16:17:07< Valkier> brb
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20100529 16:22:23< artisticdude> We had a serious spamming attack late last night on the forums. Some guy joined up and in his first 40 minutes on the forums had posted 16 posts, all of which where spam such as "hehe", "Can't you figure your own problem out?", or "This looks nice, get to work on it".
20100529 16:22:53< artisticdude> EDIT: *were* spam
20100529 16:23:05< sevis> You call 16 posts a `serious spamming attack'? O.o
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20100529 16:23:39< artisticdude> They were all spam, each of the 16 posts.
20100529 16:24:03< artisticdude> And 16 posts in less than 40 minutes. O.o
20100529 16:24:11< sevis> I understand that, but 16 is hardly `serious' in my opinion.
20100529 16:24:29< sevis> Over two minutes per post, he's not very good at it.
20100529 16:25:03< artisticdude> But they were all from the same user, and spread out across the forums. I've rarely seen someone spam that much that quickly.
20100529 16:25:35< artisticdude> Shadowmaster fixed it though. :)
20100529 16:26:01< zookeeper> Valkier, maybe. i could link you to what i have so far if you want.
20100529 16:26:50< sevis> Well, I wouldn't call that a lot, nor quickly, nor much of a deal. It's pretty much nothing compared to a proper raid, where you get several innapropriate pictures in the major threads, making the forum a pain to see until someone cleans it up.
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20100529 16:35:53< Hulavuta> Hola
20100529 16:36:23< Hulavuta> I have  question about Steadfast ability,
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20100529 16:53:24< Valkier> I'm back.
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20100529 17:02:01< Hulavuta> Is has question
20100529 17:02:18< Valkier> My answer may or may not be helpful.
20100529 17:02:34< zookeeper> Hulavuta, you sure? you didn't seem to have it half an hour ago.
20100529 17:02:39< Hulavuta> Does Steadfast affect weaknesses or 0 resists?
20100529 17:03:17< zookeeper> no
20100529 17:04:16< Hulavuta> So it only doubles resistances? It doesn't halve weaknesses?
20100529 17:06:02< zookeeper> well if it says that "Vulnerabilities are not affected." then i guess that's how it works.
20100529 17:06:55< Hulavuta> oh, i didn't see that...
20100529 17:07:16< Hulavuta> ok
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20100529 18:41:39< The_User> Hi!
20100529 18:42:07< The_User> Is it true that you can now do nearly everything with Lua what you could do with WML? (I mean unit-manipulation, events etc.)
20100529 18:44:50< Gambit> No. It's a bunch of dirty sinful lies.
20100529 18:45:07< Gambit> With WML you can use tags.
20100529 18:45:11< Gambit> In LUA you can't do that :o
20100529 18:45:21< Gambit> The_User: Yeah. I think so.
20100529 18:45:48< The_User> :D
20100529 18:46:10< Gambit> Except I seem to recall LUA's random numbers not being multiplayer safe.
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20100529 18:46:52< The_User> It works in [event], what is about stuff [like set_menu_item] or weapon specials?
20100529 18:47:36< Gambit> Beats me.
20100529 18:47:51< Gambit> You should ping silene.
20100529 18:48:19< Gambit> The WML workshop on the forums might be the best place to ask.
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20100529 18:55:28< The_User> or in [filter]...
20100529 18:55:34< The_User> I'll have a look at it
20100529 18:55:55< The_User> and if it is not possible, I'm good in C++ :D
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20100529 19:07:06< The_User> the test-scenario seems to be funny, there you can use lua during the scenario :D
20100529 19:07:26< Valkier> Do you and LUA need a room?
20100529 19:08:06< Valkier> You seem to have a crush on it.
20100529 19:08:23< The_User> hehe, I am even not able to code in Lua, but it is simply great that there is now a real scripting-language available
20100529 19:08:54< The_User> I use C++ and Ruby :P
20100529 19:09:15< The_User> btw., the question: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=24585&p=431108#p431108
20100529 19:09:31< Tomsik_> I demand support for prolog.
20100529 19:09:39< The_User> :D
20100529 19:09:42< Tomsik_> Or at least malbolge.
20100529 19:09:46< The_User> :D :D
20100529 19:09:52< Valkier> I demand support for my depression, but everything costs money.
20100529 19:10:04< The_User> you know Kross?
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20100529 19:11:05< The_User> it's certainly not usable for Wesnoth, but if you want to have Malbolge support e.g. in KOffice, implement it!
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20100529 19:11:58< The_User> class MyDepressionScript : public Kross::Script { Q_OBJECT ... }; ;)
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20100529 19:50:59< The_User> Why has Wesball left us in 1.6 (iirc)?
20100529 19:51:31< shadowmaster> Wesbowl or Wesball?
20100529 19:51:53< shadowmaster> the latter being a user-made add-on that only seems to be inspired by the former mainline MP scenario
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20100529 19:52:34< The_User> Wesbowl
20100529 19:52:35< The_User> sorry
20100529 19:53:04< The_User> I mean the scenario with two player and a ball which was available in 1.0 or something like that
20100529 19:53:06< The_User> shadowmaster: 
20100529 19:53:54< The_User> I see, somebody had the same question ;) http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=29414
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20100529 20:32:12< shadowmaster> The_User: the author intended it to be only for showing off the power of WML back in the 0.x era
20100529 20:32:37< shadowmaster> I believe the author himself (who happens to be Dave) requested it to be removed, so I did.
20100529 20:33:08< shadowmaster> I think I've heard Wesball is much more elaborated and fun than Wesbowl.
20100529 20:34:04< Blarumyrran> That must be the most often asked question on irc now that the "I downloaded something from the campaign server, why isn't it a campaign" thing got fixed with the categories
20100529 20:34:34< shadowmaster> not thanks to me!
20100529 20:53:41 * Unnheulu smirks
20100529 20:53:52< Unnheulu> I guess I kinda miss wesbowl
20100529 20:58:44< ancestral> Things don't die around here; they just get forgotten
20100529 20:59:44 * Unnheulu thinks it's time for a new screeny of his game to be taken
20100529 21:00:00 * Unnheulu goes and resizes the resolution back down in his awesome new preferences file
20100529 21:00:26 * shadowmaster thinks it's time to quiet Unnheulu
20100529 21:00:30< Unnheulu> Bye
20100529 21:00:44< Unnheulu> Eleazer would laugh so hard at the tiles in the game
20100529 21:00:49 * shadowmaster presses the adequate key sequences to quiet Unnheulu
20100529 21:00:55< Unnheulu> C'ya guys
20100529 21:01:01< shadowmaster> it's Eleazar, you fool
20100529 21:01:05< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, warning, i'm changing ip soon
20100529 21:01:12< shadowmaster> can you spell anything right?
20100529 21:01:17< Unnheulu> Nope
20100529 21:01:25< Unnheulu> Bear that in mind if quieting me
20100529 21:01:54< shadowmaster> nah
20100529 21:02:07< shadowmaster> I'm just suggesting you don't announce your thought processes. It's annoying.
20100529 21:02:20< Unnheulu> Sorry 
20100529 21:02:38< shadowmaster> where the hell is peteporty when I need to call him off
20100529 21:03:08< Unnheulu> tell him off?
20100529 21:03:16< shadowmaster> tell him off, indeed
20100529 21:03:17< Unnheulu> Or does "call him off" have some meaning I don't know
20100529 21:03:19< Unnheulu> Ok :P
20100529 21:03:21< Unnheulu> Bbiab
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20100529 21:13:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> shadowmaster, happy with my crackdown on smiley usage?
20100529 21:14:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> Oh crud...in other os's you don't use .<program name>
20100529 21:15:36< shadowmaster> on other OSes you don't assume everything is like your favorite OS
20100529 21:15:50< shadowmaster> okay, okay, I'm also guilty of that
20100529 21:16:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> I seem to recall seeing .folders on windows to, although I may be wrong
20100529 21:16:20< shadowmaster> yes
20100529 21:16:34< shadowmaster> the GIMP does that in %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH% IIRC
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20100529 21:16:46< shadowmaster> which is the equivalent of $HOME in Linux
20100529 21:18:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> And $HOME is a C++ constant? 
20100529 21:18:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> Or is obtainable via some library
20100529 21:19:30< shadowmaster> ....no.
20100529 21:19:42< shadowmaster> it's an environment variable. Try echo $HOME in your shell
20100529 21:20:00< shadowmaster> it's equivalent to the shell expansion of the tilde ~, or your home dir, e.g. /home/username in Linux
20100529 21:20:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> Oh, cool thanks!
20100529 21:20:13< shadowmaster> I believe it can be /usr/username in some BSD variants, not sure.
20100529 21:20:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> That might be useful at some time in the future
20100529 21:20:42< shadowmaster> in C or C++ you'd obtain it via getenv("HOME"), or in Perl checking $ENV{'HOME'}
20100529 21:22:01< shadowmaster> in Python it is os.getenv("HOME")
20100529 21:22:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ahm, I used a different method
20100529 21:23:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> os.path.expanduser("~")
20100529 21:23:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> I heard that its crossplatform though
20100529 21:26:27< koan> shadowmaster: that would be /usr/home/username on BSD
20100529 21:26:32< shadowmaster> that
20100529 21:27:05 * Unnheulu|Laptop has always wondered more about this mysterious "/" folder
20100529 21:27:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> It doesn't seem to have a parent directory
20100529 21:27:23< shadowmaster> the filesystem hiearchy root.
20100529 21:27:31< shadowmaster> it's not the "root" just because, you know
20100529 21:27:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> Root is a mysterious divine force
20100529 21:28:03< shadowmaster> no, it's just like init
20100529 21:28:21< Unnheulu|Laptop> Oh. (Anticlimax :()
20100529 21:28:32< shadowmaster> and unlike init, you can change it at runtime with chroot
20100529 21:29:07< shadowmaster> or pivot_root()
20100529 21:29:19< shadowmaster> the latter is Linux-specific though
20100529 21:30:03< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ever since suggesting python should use curly braces in #pygame, I've kept quiet when someone knows more than I do on a subject
20100529 21:30:13< Unnheulu|Laptop> This is one of those moments :)
20100529 21:30:52< shadowmaster> well, actually, you can change init too
20100529 21:31:16< shadowmaster> if init can use a exec system call to replace itself with another program
20100529 21:32:21< shadowmaster> this happens to be the way a shell script invokes the real system's init from a initramfs in Debian
20100529 21:32:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> Your too smart :/
20100529 21:32:40< shadowmaster> no, I'm not.
20100529 21:32:55< shadowmaster> I've just had to mess with that stuff, so I learned from the experience (why did I mess with it? long story, too long)
20100529 21:32:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> Depends on your interpretation of smart :)
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20100529 21:44:07< Tomsik_> Smart and knowledgeable are two different things
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20100529 22:13:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> Oh shoot
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20100529 22:13:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> My coding convention has totally changed even in the same program (ex underscores, now camel)
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20100529 22:23:54< King_Elendil> I have a case of avatar theft, http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=28777&start=120 It seems that "Leid" is using turin's avatar.
20100529 22:24:13< King_Elendil> shadowmaster /\
20100529 22:24:22< artisticdude> That's just one of the several avatar thefts that have occurred recently.
20100529 22:24:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hmm?
20100529 22:24:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> I thought it was just very similar
20100529 22:25:03< King_Elendil> I know
20100529 22:25:04< Unnheulu|Laptop> PetePorty, shadowmaster wishes to tell you off :)
20100529 22:25:21< artisticdude> I don't understand avatar theft. ;/
20100529 22:25:21< Unnheulu|Laptop> I need a more unique avatar
20100529 22:25:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> What's worse is signatures
20100529 22:25:48< King_Elendil> It is exactly the same
20100529 22:25:58< PetePorty> O.o
20100529 22:26:02< King_Elendil> I don't understand it either
20100529 22:26:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> On my phone and ipods, then I tell users by there writing styles and signatures
20100529 22:26:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> It seems hulavuta has all but nicked your signature artisticdude ;)
20100529 22:26:25< artisticdude> Avatars are worse, because it is the 'face' of the person using it.
20100529 22:26:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> True
20100529 22:26:33< King_Elendil> right
20100529 22:26:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> On that note, Hulavuta and Elvish Sovereign really get on my nerves
20100529 22:27:07< artisticdude> Unless he wrote something about varmints, I'm not concerned. :P
20100529 22:27:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> I recently pmed elvish sovereign asking him to stop meta talking
20100529 22:27:23< artisticdude> Although I think I got rid of that varmints line in my sig.
20100529 22:28:29< King_Elendil> how do you become a forum moderator?
20100529 22:28:49< artisticdude> You have to be invited by the admins.
20100529 22:28:53< King_Elendil> I did like the varmits line ^_^
20100529 22:29:01< King_Elendil> oh
20100529 22:29:24< artisticdude> Thing with signatures is that they get old after a while, so you have to keep changing them so they stay original.
20100529 22:29:44< artisticdude> Frankly, I haven't really paid much attention to mine.
20100529 22:30:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> I stole zarels idea for a signature 
20100529 22:30:31< King_Elendil> me neither 
20100529 22:30:34< artisticdude> King_Elendil: do you know about a game called Eschalon?
20100529 22:30:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> Mercilessly plugging xmoto
20100529 22:30:39< King_Elendil> nope
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20100529 22:31:09< artisticdude> No one does, it seems. Odd. Not even Gambit. ^^
20100529 22:31:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> artisticdude, luckily, despite your signature being similar to hulavuta's, I can tell your posts apart very easily
20100529 22:31:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> Your posts seem to have a lot more care in them
20100529 22:32:01< King_Elendil> the kid's 13, give him a break
20100529 22:32:05< artisticdude> Thank you. :) I'm a grammar geek, so my posts might come across as being a bit... nerdy?
20100529 22:32:13< PetePorty> Eschalon is cool
20100529 22:32:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> King_Elendil, I'm 14 ;)
20100529 22:32:33< artisticdude> Ah, someone knows about Eschalon!
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20100529 22:32:49< Unnheulu|Laptop> Maybe my posts need more care to though
20100529 22:32:50< artisticdude> (At last)
20100529 22:32:56< PetePorty> it was the winner of that indie thingy... in 2006 i think
20100529 22:32:58< King_Elendil> hah, I'm one year older than you :p
20100529 22:33:06 * Unnheulu|Laptop smirks
20100529 22:33:23< artisticdude> I'm... um, wait till tomorrow and I'll tell you then.
20100529 22:33:27< King_Elendil> well, I have to go now, bye all :D
20100529 22:33:33< artisticdude> Seeya.
20100529 22:33:34< PetePorty> bye king
20100529 22:33:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> C'ya
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20100529 22:33:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> I wish hulavuta and elvish sovereign would stop meta talking though
20100529 22:34:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> It can derail a thread easily if out of control
20100529 22:34:17< artisticdude> Indeed.
20100529 22:35:02< Gambit> Why is it so odd that I would have never heard of a game I've never heard of?
20100529 22:35:27< artisticdude> Because you know everything.
20100529 22:35:38< artisticdude> Or at least, you're supposed to. ;)
20100529 22:35:44< PetePorty> O.o
20100529 22:35:49< PetePorty> he is?
20100529 22:36:07< PetePorty> well, you can ask franbot if she has heard about it
20100529 22:36:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> PetePorty, my containers are working a lot better in my game now
20100529 22:36:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> Plus you can recruit
20100529 22:36:22< artisticdude> I'm kidding. :)
20100529 22:36:29< Unnheulu|Laptop> *all done in python, not rpg maker*
20100529 22:36:44< PetePorty> but... you said you'd recode in C++
20100529 22:36:47< PetePorty> or C
20100529 22:36:52< PetePorty> dont remember
20100529 22:37:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> C++
20100529 22:37:03< artisticdude> Good. RPG maker=thumbs down from this guy.
20100529 22:37:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> I will release a python version first though
20100529 22:37:16< PetePorty> oh, ok
20100529 22:37:24< PetePorty> tell me so I can play it
20100529 22:37:26 * Gambit goes back to learning things he doesn't know.
20100529 22:37:34< PetePorty> is it open source? it is right?
20100529 22:37:39< artisticdude> lol
20100529 22:38:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> It will be open source
20100529 22:38:18< PetePorty> cool
20100529 22:38:34< PetePorty> tell me when you've finished, so I can tell you how bad it is : D
20100529 22:38:58< artisticdude> I recently downloaded the campaign A New Order... and there are 45 scenarios. O.o
20100529 22:39:22< PetePorty> O.O isn't that a little too long?
20100529 22:39:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> PetePorty...
20100529 22:39:35< PetePorty> you'd get like 100 level 3s
20100529 22:39:38< PetePorty> what?
20100529 22:40:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'm trying to concentrate right now
20100529 22:40:04< PetePorty> unless they took away ur recall list, and that sucks
20100529 22:40:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> Major time bugs
20100529 22:40:23< artisticdude> I don't think you play all of them, though... you chose which path you want to follow.
20100529 22:40:30< artisticdude> But still... 
20100529 22:40:43< PetePorty> oh, ok
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20100529 22:41:18< artisticdude> Yes, that piano tuner finally left! :D
20100529 22:41:24< artisticdude> Now I can take my headphones off.
20100529 22:42:43< artisticdude> PetePorty: do you know about Spiderweb Software's games?
20100529 22:42:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> PetePorty, http://www.jonespenarth.me.uk/~ieuan/Screenshot-5.png
20100529 22:43:01< PetePorty> huh?
20100529 22:43:05< PetePorty> uhhh... nope
20100529 22:43:07< Vornicus> Hooray Spiderweb!
20100529 22:43:12< PetePorty> I think not, not that I can remember
20100529 22:43:20< Vornicus> http://spidweb.com/
20100529 22:43:42< artisticdude> They just announced their new game series two days ago.
20100529 22:43:43< PetePorty> is it good?
20100529 22:43:53< artisticdude> Good? And how. 
20100529 22:44:19< artisticdude> The graphics are a bit old-school, but it's a great RPG developer.
20100529 22:44:29< PetePorty> nice
20100529 22:44:32< artisticdude> *Their* graphics
20100529 22:44:37< PetePorty> I'll take a look at it
20100529 22:45:08< artisticdude> You should check them out, they have massive demos of each of their current 12+ games
20100529 22:45:16< PetePorty> my third fav game is from sinisterdesigns.net
20100529 22:45:33< PetePorty> oh... not open source
20100529 22:45:39< PetePorty> not interested.... sorry
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20100529 22:49:12< Tomsik_> adom
20100529 22:49:19< Tomsik_> right?
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20100529 23:13:11< PeteyPetePete> c ya, gonna go play xmoto
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20100529 23:27:33< ancestral> What country is for the country code .mn?
20100529 23:32:00< elias> wikipedia says mongolia
20100529 23:34:45< ancestral> Interesting
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