--- Log opened Tue Jun 08 00:00:07 2010
20100608 00:00:49< AI0867> 16:08 < Espreon> AI0867: Uh, what exactly did the umcpropfix run do? If it set svn:keywords on some java files, then, yeahz... <-- I didn't commit that part
20100608 00:01:00< AI0867> though adding a keywords line to them isn't a bad idea
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20100608 00:17:55< gabba> wow color cursors have a pretty bad impact on performance over here (at least in the debug build)
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20100608 00:21:26< CIA-86> gabba * r43235 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
20100608 00:21:26< CIA-86> Make whiteboard manager a member variable of play_controller.
20100608 00:21:26< CIA-86> Added resources::whiteboard pointer for easy access.
20100608 00:21:26< CIA-86> Move planned actions sets for each team within the team class.
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20100608 00:44:26< CIA-86> gabba * r43236 /trunk/src/play_controller.cpp: properly clear the whiteboard resource
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20100608 01:16:15< AI0867> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=432484&sid=6a437acbbdba8f30d6f6ea6057fd3ddd#p432484 <-- possible utbs naga hunter replacement
20100608 01:18:02< shadowmaster> I hate it when people link stuff including the SID
20100608 01:18:50< shadowmaster> AI0867: haven't you watched our admin channel lately? Espreon got Zerovirus working for UtBS
20100608 01:19:19< shadowmaster> although Zerovirus will now be missing for a while since he went to the land of Restricted Will
20100608 01:20:15< shadowmaster> I guess I'll ask him about moving that thread to Contributions when he's back
20100608 01:20:32< shadowmaster> s/moving/splitting relevant parts of/
20100608 01:23:45< AI0867> I missed that
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20100608 03:53:51< CIA-86> gabba * r43237 /trunk/src/menu_events.cpp: Debug command "whiteboard" (alias: "wb") to toggle planning mode on and off.
20100608 03:53:59< CIA-86> gabba * r43238 /trunk/src/menu_events.cpp: Whiteboard: confirmation message for debug command.
20100608 03:54:00< CIA-86> gabba * r43239 /trunk/src/ (arrow.cpp arrow.hpp): Arrows: change path container from list to vector to match the pathfinder's use.
20100608 03:54:05< CIA-86> gabba * r43240 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (manager.cpp manager.hpp): Whiteboard: additions to manager.
20100608 03:54:12< CIA-86> gabba * r43241 /trunk/src/mouse_events.cpp: 
20100608 03:54:12< CIA-86> Whiteboard: initial test for arrow/planned move creation.
20100608 03:54:12< CIA-86> Works with a unit selected and :debug and :whiteboard activated.
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20100608 09:22:32< Upthorn> Crab_: I have a question for you
20100608 09:22:58< Upthorn> oh wait I just answered it in my head, why hadn't I thought of that before?
20100608 09:23:11< Upthorn> oh wait no it can still work either way
20100608 09:24:59< Upthorn> so the question is, when I have the persist_manager class made, should I put it directly in the resources namespace, or should I add a member into the game_state class?
20100608 09:25:45< Upthorn> my gut instinct is that it should go into game_state, but I haven't worked out what the actual reasons would be
20100608 09:32:57< Crab_> well, you can add it into resources, too, but you'll need to syncronize it's lifecycle with the play controller's lifecycle
20100608 09:33:11< Crab_> see play_controller and playsingle_controller , their constructors and destructors
20100608 09:35:36< Upthorn> I'll look at those, thanks.
20100608 09:40:17< Crab_> note that game_state contains things that are more-or-less persistent (e.g., things that can be saved to config, loaded from config, synced across the net, etc)
20100608 09:43:08< Crab_> so, to me, a manager-for-something is a object that should be put in resources::, not inside game_state
20100608 09:44:06< Upthorn> Hrm. yeah, I agree.
20100608 09:46:38< Upthorn> I'm currently checking to see when playsingle_controller gets created and destroyed
20100608 09:46:50< Upthorn> is it per scenario?
20100608 09:47:39< Upthorn> or per campaign
20100608 09:47:56< Upthorn> (assuming the player doesn't exit to the main menu or other such)
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20100608 09:53:51< kevg> hello
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20100608 10:10:14< Ivanovic> moin
20100608 10:37:05< Crab_> Upthorn: per scenario. see playcampaign.cpp
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20100608 10:38:02< Crab_> Upthorn: a side note: highlight me (by including my nickname in the message), that way I'll be able to see that I was messaged even if irc window is minimized, thus I'll be able to respond faster.
20100608 10:43:56< Upthorn> ah, I see it now.
20100608 10:44:28< Upthorn> Crab_: I was taking the much slower approach of playing through a scenario to see if the destructor is called after the end
20100608 10:45:10< Crab_> fgrep is faster )
20100608 10:46:57< Upthorn> I did say my approach was slower :)
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20100608 10:53:59< Crab_> :)
20100608 10:56:37< zookeeper> what's all that "<span" nonsense in the MP server logs? http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2010/06/%23wesnoth-mp-lobby-stable.2010-06-08.log
20100608 10:57:55< ancestral> My guess is it's coloring parts of text
20100608 10:57:59< ancestral> (or trying to)
20100608 11:04:43< zookeeper> obviously
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20100608 11:16:22< ancestral> Ah, it is readily apparent when you actually read the link you provided
20100608 11:16:53< thespaceinvader> morning all
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20100608 11:39:03 * Espreon wonders if AI0867 bothered to notice this: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=433073#p433073
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20100608 12:03:54< Soliton> zookeeper: it's from error output (why the server was restarted shortly after) and since <.+> is usually chat it went to IRC as well.
20100608 12:04:50< zookeeper> Soliton, ok
20100608 12:04:58< Soliton> i'll try to improve the regexp involved.
20100608 12:12:09< AI0867> Espreon: I saw it
20100608 12:13:19< Espreon> AI0867: Good.
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20100608 15:57:10< Soliton> is it possible for regular new (not nothrow) to not throw an exception and return 0? like because of some compiler flags or something.
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20100608 19:29:06< littleomar> Which is that sets the refresh rate for the monitor? SDL or wesnoth? My monitor gets "Out of range" as soon as I toggle on full screen.
20100608 19:33:40< loonycyborg> SDL
20100608 19:34:25< loonycyborg> At least it's SDL that provides the list of modes to choose from AFAIK
20100608 19:34:54< littleomar> loonycyborg: And that includes the refresh rate?
20100608 19:35:06< loonycyborg> Naturally.
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20100608 19:35:53< littleomar> loonycyborg: You would not happen to have experience debugging SDL?
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20100608 19:37:13< loonycyborg> No.Not really. Though know SDL's idea of what modes are settable is determined by X server settings and the video card driver.
20100608 19:37:28< loonycyborg> At least on linux.
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20100608 19:39:22< loonycyborg> s/know/I know
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20100608 19:42:33< kevg> Crab_: is it possible for ai units to have some move points at the end of a turn?
20100608 19:43:31< Crab_> hi, kevg. yes, possible. also note that it's possible for a unit to have 0 MP plus a flag 'ai set mp of that unit to 0 to show that it's done with this unit'
20100608 19:44:17< Crab_> (ai does that by calling, indirectly, unit::remove_movement_ai )
20100608 19:44:31< Crab_> in most cases, mp==0, yes.
20100608 19:44:55< Crab_> why the question, btw ?
20100608 19:48:43< kevg> Crab_: i think about how to find 'moved' healers.
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20100608 19:51:07< Crab_> they either have less attacks that maximum, or less movement than maximum
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20100608 19:51:17< kevg> Crab_: i decided to write (at first) something easy (move not to villages only but to moved healers to) then test it and improve it.
20100608 19:51:28< Crab_> yes, that's a good thing, too
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20100608 19:52:29< Crab_> kevg: so, I'd say it's enough to check 'u.has_moved()'
20100608 19:52:44< Crab_> since most attacks (and all mainline ones) set movement to 0, too
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20100608 20:44:46< mordante> servus
20100608 20:45:52< mordante> Soliton, afaik new can't return 0, why do you ask?
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20100608 21:12:32< norbert_> hi, I kind of wonder what happened to the attachments to the posts in this thread http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=6105
20100608 21:13:02< norbert_> it's old stuff (from 2004), maybe that has something to do with it
20100608 21:13:06< norbert_> ?
20100608 21:14:22< Espreon> Maybe it has something to do with the Great Crash.
20100608 21:14:35< mordante> Espreon, s/the/a/ ;-)
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20100608 21:15:21< mordante> but I indeed expect one of the server crashed to be the cause
20100608 21:15:46< norbert_> ok
20100608 21:17:54< Espreon> mordante: How many have we had?
20100608 21:18:12< mordante> not sure how many, but we had more than one 
20100608 21:18:29< Espreon> The one I'm about which I'm talking definitely involved the loss of files.
20100608 21:18:37< Espreon> *one about
20100608 21:18:40 * Espreon disappears...
20100608 21:19:24< mordante> bye Espreon 
20100608 21:25:02< Ivanovic> Espreon: we had more than one that lead to a loss of files
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20100608 21:25:37< gabba> bonjour
20100608 21:28:07< mordante> bonjour gabba 
20100608 21:28:21< gabba> hi mordante
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20100608 22:07:42< mordante> billynux I'm still reviewing your code, hope to see you tomorrow
20100608 22:07:47< mordante> I'm off night
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20100608 22:28:23< boucman> hey all
20100608 22:29:34< Ivanovic> hi boucman
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20100608 22:31:06< kevg> boucman: hi. Can i still become a wesnoth dev?
20100608 22:31:46< boucman> kevg: sure think Ivanovic is the one to ask for the details
20100608 22:31:54< boucman> (iirc, you have to request it in gna)
20100608 22:31:54< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: can you check the relevance of this change regarding the scons recipe? https://gna.org/patch/?1694
20100608 22:32:09< Ivanovic> (the patch only includes a change for cmake, no idea if a change for scons or autotools is required)
20100608 22:32:19< Ivanovic> boucman: are enough patches from kevg in?
20100608 22:32:30< kevg> iirc means in irc?
20100608 22:32:42< boucman> kevg: if I recall correctly
20100608 22:32:56< boucman> Ivanovic: I think so... 
20100608 22:33:02< boucman> kevg: what patches did you get in ?
20100608 22:33:47< Ivanovic> boucman: what is the status of this patch? https://gna.org/patch/?1608
20100608 22:34:03< Ivanovic> that is: maybe change it to some "need info" or the likes
20100608 22:34:31< boucman> i'll reping the author
20100608 22:34:32< kevg> 1693  1665 1672
20100608 22:34:32< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: This only changs -lpng12 to -lpng, and scons already uses -lpng
20100608 22:34:41< Ivanovic> and what is the status of this one, last comment is from close to newyears eve: https://gna.org/patch/?1394
20100608 22:34:54< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: okay
20100608 22:35:18< Ivanovic> boucman: can you check the c++ part of this patch from ABCD? https://gna.org/patch/?1694
20100608 22:35:22< Ivanovic> the cmake part looks fine to me
20100608 22:35:56< boucman> Ivanovic: about 1394 : no news frop OP, and I'm not sure it's a good idea, so probably will become won't do unless someone else wants to reopen the discussion
20100608 22:36:33< Ivanovic> boucman: at least leave a recent "need info" note or something like this so that we can close it as "won't do" by the end of the month if there is no reaction
20100608 22:36:42< boucman> Ivanovic: i don't have time right now, and I'll keep it unassigned so anybody who wants to have a look/commit don't hesitate to...
20100608 22:36:53< boucman> if it's still unassigned next time I review patches, i'll handle it
20100608 22:37:03< boucman> k
20100608 22:37:52< Ivanovic> kevg: okay, looks like the requirement for group membership is (cleanly) met
20100608 22:38:04< Ivanovic> kevg: just apply to the wesnoth project and i will add you in
20100608 22:38:22< Ivanovic> you do so via your own users preference page, there should be an input box at the buttom right somewhere
20100608 22:38:40< ABCD> fyi, I am here if you have questions about 1694
20100608 22:39:14< boucman> ABCD: noted, but it's me that doesn't have time right now, sorry
20100608 22:40:43< ABCD> that's fine :)
20100608 22:41:21< kevg> Ivanovic: i requested something somewhere. Is it right?
20100608 22:41:35< Ivanovic> kevg: and make sure to upload an ssh key
20100608 22:41:56< Ivanovic> was perfect, added you in
20100608 22:42:21< kevg> thanks :)
20100608 22:42:30< Ivanovic> kevg: if you got a forum account, ask shadowmaster to add you to the "developer" group
20100608 22:42:36< boucman> kevg: contratulation
20100608 22:43:02 * ABCD is looking at actually trying to contribute more than just compilation fixes at some point :D
20100608 22:43:02< kevg> Ivanovic: i have no forum account. Is it required?
20100608 22:43:19< boucman> not really required, but it's a good idea
20100608 22:43:19< Ivanovic> just if you want to post in the forums
20100608 22:43:21< Ivanovic> ;)
20100608 22:43:45< boucman> kevg: registering to the dev-ml is mandatory, though... the other ml (bugs and commit) are a good idea too
20100608 22:44:11< kevg> what is dev-ml? mail list?
20100608 22:46:03< boucman> yes
20100608 22:47:48< Ivanovic> bugs is not really a good idea, better visit the tracker every now and then
20100608 22:47:56< Ivanovic> though the commits mailing list is really helpfull
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20100608 22:48:02< gabba> hey, congrats kevg
20100608 22:48:13< kevg> gabba: thanks!
20100608 22:50:20< Sapient> congratulazioni
20100608 22:50:27< gabba> boucman: any comments on my recent commits? (tbh, I have really no idea of what's the best way to interact with the spaghetti input code.)
20100608 22:50:43< boucman> gabba: nope, it looked good
20100608 22:50:52< kevg> Sapient: thanks!
20100608 22:51:21< boucman> and i'm no expert on the input system either... is it that bad ?
20100608 22:52:33< gabba> dunno :P
20100608 22:52:39< Sapient> to input spaghetti, use fork ;)
20100608 22:53:01< gabba> ah thanks Sapient, I wasn't using the right tool :D
20100608 22:53:25< Espreon> Sapient: But what about spork... or even splade?
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20100608 22:56:48< Sapient> well, those aren't programming techniques so... less funny  ~_~;
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20100608 22:58:10< Espreon> Jeß jeß.
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20100608 23:07:27< kevg> good night
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20100608 23:28:12< Ivanovic> boucman: any idea whom to assign this bug to? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?16130
20100608 23:28:29< Espreon> Sigh...
20100608 23:29:00< boucman> hmm hard to say in what area it crashes, anybody with a debugger could start on it...
20100608 23:34:28< Ivanovic> and yeah, eventually i should release 1.9.0
20100608 23:34:35< Ivanovic> though i am not sure yet when to do so
20100608 23:35:50< Espreon> Wait till the Typography Tyrant is done with his rampage?
20100608 23:35:59< Espreon> IDK, just a suggestion.
20100608 23:43:31< boucman> Ivanovic: ask tsi when we have a base frame for all kalifa, and pull kalifa in, so we can playtest them very early
20100608 23:46:41< zookeeper> pull kalifa in?
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20100608 23:47:45< Espreon> zookeeper: Import them.
20100608 23:48:13< zookeeper> neverheard of anyone importing factions
20100608 23:48:40< boucman> night all
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20100608 23:49:19< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/import#Verb ... Like definition two.
20100608 23:49:24< Espreon> zookeeper: ^
20100608 23:50:22< zookeeper> tl;dr
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20100608 23:51:36< Espreon> zookeeper: It's... just a sentence.
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