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20100622 00:08:19< Espreon> Ivanovic: Yay, I finally managed to break pofix... (locally)
20100622 00:08:52< Ivanovic> lovely...
20100622 00:09:03< Espreon> I know, huh?
20100622 00:09:10< Ivanovic> Espreon: personally i'd recommend asking esr for help when it comes to extended toolsmithin
20100622 00:09:12< Ivanovic> ;)
20100622 00:09:59< Espreon> Jeß jeß...
20100622 00:10:08 * Espreon is awaiting a reply... in teh query...
20100622 00:11:15< Ivanovic> beside this: local breakage is easy to fix
20100622 00:11:22< Ivanovic> just run svn revert on all changed files...
20100622 00:11:41< Espreon> Ivanovic: No, no, this is a problem with pofix's code.
20100622 00:11:51< Espreon> Apparently, there are too many rules for it to handle.
20100622 00:14:25< AI0867> what's the error?
20100622 00:14:51< Espreon> Traceback (most recent call last):
20100622 00:14:51< Espreon>   File "utils/pofix.py", line 820, in <module>
20100622 00:14:51< Espreon>     for (old, new) in fixes:
20100622 00:14:51< Espreon> ValueError: too many values to unpack
20100622 00:15:17< Espreon> Now, I need to water my bamboo...
20100622 00:17:39< AI0867> Espreon: no, that means you entered a tuple that contains too many members
20100622 00:17:45< AI0867> as in, more than 2
20100622 00:18:26< AI0867> to find the line, prepend it with
20100622 00:18:30< AI0867> for fix in fixes:
20100622 00:18:40< AI0867>     if len(fix) != 2:
20100622 00:18:46< AI0867>         print fix
20100622 00:19:04< shadowmaster> or you can show us a diff in  a pastebin
20100622 00:19:13< AI0867> he probably added a ton of stuff
20100622 00:19:27< shadowmaster> (have I mentioned that indentation sucks when it's part of the syntax?°)
20100622 00:22:27< billynux> you don't like python?
20100622 00:22:50< shadowmaster> no, I hate it
20100622 00:22:52< billynux> (I'm not saying one infers that from your comment, its just a separate question)
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20100622 00:36:35< Espreon> AI0867: Wait, where should I insert this?
20100622 00:37:08< shadowmaster> Espreon: how about the diff/pastebin suggestion?
20100622 00:37:13< Espreon> Fine.
20100622 00:38:11< AI0867> before the for that the error showed you
20100622 00:38:13< Espreon> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/PhYnYe5i
20100622 00:38:20< AI0867> so, between line 819 and 820
20100622 00:38:44< CIA-86> billynux * r43633 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Fixed compiler warnings in ana and link to it, started work on network_ana.cpp -> mordante
20100622 00:39:44< Espreon> OK, found it.
20100622 00:39:46< billynux> I hope modifications on src/CMakeLists.txt don't break anything. Anyone care to do the same for autotools+SCons? :)
20100622 00:40:07< billynux> All right, I'm off
20100622 00:40:13< shadowmaster> billynux: uh, it isn't difficult
20100622 00:40:30< shadowmaster> probably
20100622 00:40:33< billynux> :)
20100622 00:40:36< shadowmaster> unless you are introducing a new target
20100622 00:40:41< Espreon> AI0867: Thanks.
20100622 00:40:47< shadowmaster> I'll take a look
20100622 00:41:03< billynux> shadowmaster, I am, and I think I'm allergic to m4 :(
20100622 00:41:10< shadowmaster> AAAH
20100622 00:41:16< shadowmaster> I'm allergic to CMake
20100622 00:41:20< billynux> :)
20100622 00:41:54< shadowmaster> I'll see what I can do anyway
20100622 00:42:06< billynux> shadowmaster, I add a static lib ( ana ). If you select to compile against it, it will choose network_ana.cpp instead of network.cpp, build the lib and then link to it
20100622 00:42:45< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: do you think you can handle this for scons?
20100622 00:43:15< shadowmaster> I think I can do it for autotools
20100622 00:43:17< loonycyborg> Yes.
20100622 00:43:34< billynux> thanks to both of you then. I'll look at your changes
20100622 00:43:45< billynux> to learn a bit more of autotools / scons
20100622 00:44:42< billynux> loonycyborg, shadowmaster : anything you need to know about my changes? (new target / options / etc )
20100622 00:45:31< shadowmaster> dependencies?
20100622 00:45:39< AI0867> boost::asio
20100622 00:45:46< billynux> boost::asio, boost::system
20100622 00:47:02< billynux> the good thing is: its optional ATM. So everything should carry on working just the same if one doesn't select that option (USE_ANA_NETWORK in CMake)
20100622 00:47:29< shadowmaster> okay, I've got the autoconf part ready.
20100622 00:48:37< shadowmaster> billynux: do you intend src/ana to be usable (i.e. "compilable") as a stand-alone package?
20100622 00:48:47< billynux> shadowmaster, yes
20100622 00:48:58< shadowmaster> hm.
20100622 00:49:03< billynux> but not ATM
20100622 00:49:26< billynux> the point: ana should build as a library to develop server/client apps
20100622 00:50:21< billynux> as far as wesnoth goes, ana could eventually be a dependency to build the network module
20100622 00:50:38< billynux> but for now, the idea is to build a static lib and link to it
20100622 00:52:35< billynux> ok... I'm off... see you tomorrow people
20100622 00:52:55< shadowmaster> night
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20100622 01:07:59< CIA-86> ai0867 * r43634 /trunk/src/terrain_translation.cpp: Allow a more-than-4-character terrain to hit a VALIDATE, rather than silently turning it into void
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20100622 01:16:30< CIA-86> ai0867 * r43635 /trunk/src/terrain_translation.cpp: More removal of overzealous terrain-symbol-length checking
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20100622 02:05:15< CIA-86> loonycyborg * r43636 /trunk/ (SConstruct src/SConscript src/ana/src/SConscript): Add use_network_ana option to scons.
20100622 02:06:25< loonycyborg> Assuming that ana is supposed to throw a const char* as exception when you connect to addon server it works :P
20100622 02:09:00< AI0867> that's probably a TODO that's being thrown
20100622 02:09:23< shadowmaster> I'm compiling.
20100622 02:09:29< AI0867> why have both a TODO comment and an exception to throw if you can simply throw the comment?
20100622 02:09:43< shadowmaster> I have a horribly Wesnoth-dependent autotools support ready
20100622 02:10:08< shadowmaster> for making ana work standalone I'd need to do some research on this libtool stuff probably
20100622 02:10:54< shadowmaster> hm....odd
20100622 02:11:10< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/FpbxfFL2
20100622 02:11:45< shadowmaster> ohhh, I figured it out
20100622 02:12:02< shadowmaster> I need to add ana/api/ to the include path. Who'd thought of it, ho ho hoho...
20100622 02:12:13< shadowmaster> it should have been named ana/include/, but whatever
20100622 02:13:11< shadowmaster> in other news, I should probably make this use automake's silent rules
20100622 02:13:33< shadowmaster> the noisy output really bothers me
20100622 02:17:09< shadowmaster> heh heh, I keep trying to use Mercurial commands on my git tree...:/
20100622 02:17:31< Espreon> Why?
20100622 02:18:08< shadowmaster> because I've spent more time working in a Mercurial-based project
20100622 02:18:14< Espreon> I see...
20100622 02:18:44< AI0867> I hear mercurial has a better interface than git
20100622 02:18:49< AI0867> haven't actually tried it though
20100622 02:19:03< Espreon> Damn it... go through!
20100622 02:19:10< shadowmaster> I don't think so.
20100622 02:19:20< shadowmaster> but it might be because I'm more accostumed to git than mercurial
20100622 02:19:22< CIA-86> espreon * r43637 /trunk/ (818 files in 33 dirs): Converted more apostrophes; fixed a screw up; ran pofix.
20100622 02:19:33< Espreon> Finally.
20100622 02:19:46< shadowmaster> I don't notice many differences anyway.
20100622 02:22:10< loonycyborg> It looks as if the trunk was ravaged by Grammar Waffen SS :P
20100622 02:22:26< AI0867> he's proud of it too =P
20100622 02:22:42< shadowmaster> S I G H
20100622 02:22:45< AI0867> though he prefers Typography Tyrant
20100622 02:22:51< Espreon> Indeed.
20100622 02:22:59< shadowmaster> so, anyway
20100622 02:23:03< shadowmaster> I forgot asio ldflags. dammit
20100622 02:26:05< Espreon> AI0867: Do you think I should commit your code, so that we don't have to go through ... *that* again?
20100622 02:26:33< AI0867> ?
20100622 02:27:04< Espreon> The three lines of code that pointed out... the problem.
20100622 02:27:17< AI0867> no
20100622 02:27:24< AI0867> maybe in commented-out form
20100622 02:27:33< Espreon> All right.
20100622 02:31:09< CIA-86> espreon * r43638 /trunk/utils/pofix.py: Added commented code that points out screwed up pairs.
20100622 02:35:54< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: it compiles for you?
20100622 02:36:15< loonycyborg> Yes.
20100622 02:36:25< shadowmaster> I can't find where ana::server::create() is implemented
20100622 02:36:33< shadowmaster> and I have linking errors related to that
20100622 02:37:11< loonycyborg> In one of sources in src/ana/src/SConscript
20100622 02:37:31< loonycyborg> btw I discovered that ana also depends on boost.thread
20100622 02:37:38< shadowmaster> yes, I did too
20100622 02:37:47< shadowmaster> via asio
20100622 02:38:26< shadowmaster> oh, asio_server.o
20100622 02:38:52< loonycyborg> Yes. Was about to say that..
20100622 02:38:52< shadowmaster> okay, I don't understand why it isn't working then. That's supposedly in my libana.a
20100622 02:39:22< shadowmaster> or so says ar t src/libana.a
20100622 02:40:45< loonycyborg> Maybe a linking order issue :P
20100622 02:42:44< shadowmaster> makes sense
20100622 02:42:50< shadowmaster> since wesnoth links fine, but wesnothd doesn't
20100622 02:43:27< shadowmaster> hmmm. actually wesnothd isn't getting linked to libana at all
20100622 02:44:07< shadowmaster> *sigh* at whoever made this crappy recipe
20100622 02:44:33< shadowmaster> I determined the reason of this problem anyway
20100622 02:45:36< shadowmaster> okay, done
20100622 02:50:38 * loonycyborg is reminded by rising Sun that it's time to go to bed
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20100622 02:50:51< shadowmaster> Sun died.
20100622 02:51:01< shadowmaster> wel, it was assimilated, anyway
20100622 02:51:20< AI0867> the sun is rising in russia?
20100622 02:51:46< shadowmaster> hmmm...hmmmm...?
20100622 02:51:51< AI0867> timezone-wise that's 1 hour away for me
20100622 02:52:18< shadowmaster> maybe he lives in siberia?
20100622 02:52:27< AI0867> geographically speaking, it's closer to 3 hours though
20100622 02:53:00< CIA-86> shadowmaster * r43639 /trunk/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am): 
20100622 02:53:00< CIA-86> Preliminary autotools support for libana.
20100622 02:53:00< CIA-86> This should be enough to compile Wesnoth using libana (use
20100622 02:53:00< CIA-86> --enable-ana), but certainly not enough to compile libana as a
20100622 02:53:00< CIA-86> stand-alone library using autotools. I'll probably research that
20100622 02:54:12< shadowmaster> oh, his forum profile says he lives in Moscow
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20100622 03:04:40< AI0867> the sun rises around 0520 here atm
20100622 03:08:07< shadowmaster> (38
20100622 03:11:53< AI0867> it sets after 2200
20100622 03:12:09< AI0867> even after subtracting DST, that's still quite unbalanced
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20100622 09:32:10< ancestral> Heh: "also, the GNU license is too long and wordy.."
20100622 09:32:43< shadowmaster> who says/said that?
20100622 09:33:07< ancestral> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=436982#p436982
20100622 09:33:25< ancestral> I couldn't help but not reply
20100622 09:34:35< shadowmaster> that's not surprising since he seems to have difficulty with spelling anyway.
20100622 09:35:02< ancestral> If he thinks the GPL is long and wordy I doubt he'd have any idea how to read the Wesnoth code
20100622 09:35:10< shadowmaster> *spelling and grammar
20100622 09:35:37< shadowmaster> well, coders are usually not lawyers
20100622 09:35:39< ancestral> It's not too bad… just some capitalization and punctuation
20100622 09:35:47< ancestral> shadowmaster: true
20100622 09:35:49< shadowmaster> and people who aren't lawyers tend to overlook legalese
20100622 09:36:11< shadowmaster> until it bites them back.
20100622 09:36:27< ancestral> We're in a generation of overbearing software EULAs that no one reads, for example
20100622 09:37:55< shadowmaster> "Let's see...no transferring, no copying, no using on hardware with more than 2 CPUs, no swimming, no selling, no disassembling...ahhh, screw it!"
20100622 09:39:34< ancestral> World of Warcraft doesn't provide a hard copy of the EULA with the game (since it changes like weekly) nor does it mention where to read it. Someone sued Blizzard (I think) and since then, as the first part of the EULA, you can get a full refund if you don't agree to it after you installed the game.
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20100622 09:50:31< Ivanovic> moin
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20100622 09:52:30< Espreon> Grüß Gott.
20100622 09:52:47< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: how about using silent automake rules in the future?
20100622 09:53:06< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: honestly i don't care about autotools
20100622 09:53:16< Ivanovic> don't even check if it still does allow building wesnoth
20100622 09:53:17< shadowmaster> i.e. to print   "  CXX  foobar.o" instead of that overly verbose crap that very frew people care about
20100622 09:53:25< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: okay, whatever.
20100622 09:58:20< CIA-86> shadowmaster * r43640 /trunk/configure.ac: Use silent automake rules when generating with automake 1.11 and later
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20100622 10:04:40 * Rhonda does check if the autotools do build. :)
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20100622 12:16:10< loonycyborg> AI0867: I really meant dawn, not sunrise :P
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20100622 12:16:27 * loonycyborg was just being inprecise
20100622 12:17:34< loonycyborg> *unprecise
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20100622 13:42:45< CIA-87> zookeeper * r43641 /trunk/ (27 files in 6 dirs): Added new growl, hit and die sounds for wolves and removed the old ones. Wired into all wolf units along with some melee animation WML improvements.
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20100622 13:44:13< zookeeper> admittedly those are from a dog and they sound quite like a dog, but still much better than the old ones.
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20100622 13:45:50< CIA-87> zookeeper * r43642 /branches/resources/sounds-wav/ (12 files): Added .wav versions of the new wolf sounds.
20100622 13:46:41< Upthorn> For comic effect, I'm going to criticize you for injuring and killing a dog to produce those sound effects, and then attack your artistic integrity if you didn't actually do this.
20100622 13:47:07< zookeeper> :|
20100622 13:47:57< Upthorn> but I will seemingly have no concern about the implications of using a dog instead of a wolf to the game's artistic integrity and let the issue pass without note.
20100622 13:48:14< zookeeper> phew
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20100622 14:07:06< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: you mean imprecise
20100622 14:11:05< loonycyborg> Yes.
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20100622 14:18:34< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: um, billynux is in Miscellaneous Contributors in the credits. Shouldn't he be in Programming at the start?
20100622 14:19:09< shadowmaster> same question goes for Upthorn 
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20100622 14:21:52< Upthorn> sigh.
20100622 14:21:59< Upthorn> I wish I had my next commit ready
20100622 14:22:31< Upthorn> so I could be like "what I can't program why would I be listed as a programmer" -> <CIA-87> upthorn *...
20100622 14:23:47< Upthorn> without sacrificing comedic timing
20100622 14:28:07< shadowmaster> and I am still running in circles in regards to improving add-on management.
20100622 14:29:00< shadowmaster> would that those awesome GUI2 tab widgets already *existed*
20100622 14:32:27< shadowmaster> I'm trying to detach the GUI as much as possible from the actual networking/config-screwing code but the sole idea of having to deal with both GUI1 and GUI2 differently is demotivating enough
20100622 14:34:01< shadowmaster> yet it still makes sense to do that even if only dealing with one framework since the repetitiveness/redundancy of the Update and Install add-ons dialogues is slowly turning this part of Wesnoth into another code mess that nobody will ever want to touch again due to its ugliness. Which shouldn't happen, since that will scare away coders wanting to implement new ideas for it.
20100622 14:34:07< shadowmaster> including me.
20100622 14:34:38< shadowmaster> the Update interface is a horrible afterthought and I'm ashamed of its execution. :|
20100622 14:36:42< Upthorn> I'm having a strange problem with the class I'm trying to implement, which is that the functionality seems so trivial that it is really hard for me to break it down into pieces in my head to figure out how to actually make it work
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20100622 14:48:06< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: they were added together with their first patches
20100622 14:48:25< Ivanovic> shadowmaster: it is/was in their own responsibility to update the credits entry to reflect that they are now "real" devs
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20100622 15:14:20< CIA-87> zookeeper * r43643 /trunk/data/core/ (images/misc/schedule-indoors.png macros/schedules.cfg): Added an indoors ToD (no lawful/chaotic bonus, except if illuminated).
20100622 15:17:20< Ivanovic> zookeeper: hmm, do we need some "darkening" feature, too?
20100622 15:17:57< zookeeper> like what?
20100622 15:19:26< Ivanovic> no idea how to call it, but to create the opposite of the illuminated bonus
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20100622 15:19:58 * zookeeper doesn't need it
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20100622 16:48:20< ABCD> Ivanovic: I seem to recall that there was something like that in the test scenario, so it might already be implemented :D
20100622 17:08:45< CIA-87> ivanovic * r43644 /branches/1.8/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-manual/zh_TW.po): updated Chinese (Traditional) translation
20100622 17:09:30< CIA-87> ivanovic * r43645 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-manual/zh_TW.po): updated Chinese (Traditional) translation
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20100622 18:25:44< RedMoonK> hi there, i searched the forums and didnt find anything, my question is: is there a possibility in WML to let every unit be able to recruit?
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20100622 18:27:02< silene> Rhonda, AI0867: ?
20100622 18:28:06< RedMoonK> anyone out there?
20100622 18:32:01< zookeeper> RedMoonK, yes, several units can have canrecruit=yes.
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20100622 18:32:52< RedMoonK> hmmm, i tried that a few versions before and it wasnt possible, do i have to place this units on the Map ?
20100622 18:33:03< zookeeper> it wasn't possible in 1.6
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20100622 18:33:32< RedMoonK> what i meant was, really great would be a small code wich sets EVRY unit to be able to recruit
20100622 18:33:48< zookeeper> make an event which makes every unit be able to recruit
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20100622 18:35:08< RedMoonK> yes thats what i would like to have, but im not a programer or something like that, is there a example somewhere in the net or in the addons?
20100622 18:35:27< zookeeper> i don't think so
20100622 18:35:33< RedMoonK> i just made a fwe maps with reaaly small part of wml code
20100622 18:35:46< RedMoonK> (Red MP Maps)
20100622 18:35:46< zookeeper> so what do you need? to make all recruited units be able to recruit, too?
20100622 18:35:51< RedMoonK> yes
20100622 18:35:55< zookeeper> ok..
20100622 18:35:55< RedMoonK> nothing more
20100622 18:37:18< zookeeper> this should do it: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/zp0kErb2
20100622 18:37:47< zookeeper> put it inside your [multiplayer]
20100622 18:37:56< RedMoonK> ... okay
20100622 18:38:10< RedMoonK> (page still loading)
20100622 18:39:04< billynux> paste2.org is working better than pastebin lately
20100622 18:39:16< RedMoonK> okay, thanks this looks good (with my small WML knowledge) if it works ill put a little "thanks zookeeper for WML code" in the map description :)
20100622 18:39:40< RedMoonK> ill try it now
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20100622 18:47:46< shadowmaster> Ivanovic: make up your mind; it is or it was their rsponsibility? :P
20100622 18:48:11< shadowmaster> I guess the natural option is the former.
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20100622 18:48:52< RedMoonK> hmmm :( doesnt work .... it doesnt paste any failure it starts, but if i try to recruit a unit (in the beginning) it says: "You have no units available to recruit."
20100622 18:49:23< zookeeper> i bet that happens even without my event.
20100622 18:49:35< RedMoonK> nope
20100622 18:49:38< zookeeper> huh?
20100622 18:49:44< zookeeper> really?
20100622 18:49:47< RedMoonK> i just pasted it into an existing map
20100622 18:49:56< RedMoonK> (wich works fine)
20100622 18:50:45 * zookeeper tries it
20100622 18:51:46< shadowmaster> sigh, I've got this *awesome* idea for the addon management cleanup
20100622 18:51:56< shadowmaster> but I have this horrible headache and I don't think I can write code atm.
20100622 18:52:29< RedMoonK> oh :( i sorry ... 	 Get  well  soon!
20100622 18:52:43< RedMoonK> and sorry for my (really bad) english btw.
20100622 18:52:53< shadowmaster> I also seem to have reverted to my chronic bronchitis of when I was 6 years old.
20100622 18:52:57< zookeeper> RedMoonK, works just fine for me. you're probably doing something else wrong.
20100622 18:53:06< RedMoonK> hmmm
20100622 18:53:28< RedMoonK> wait a second
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20100622 18:59:57< RedMoonK> youre right
20100622 19:00:14< RedMoonK> but .... why .... hmmm ill be back in a minute
20100622 19:03:47< RedMoonK> ooookay, i was stupid, i had choosed "colosseum era" cause i played it last time i did host, it works fine! i tried it with "standart era" now. Thanks for wasting youre time
20100622 19:04:04< RedMoonK> not 2thanks" i mean "sorry" lol
20100622 19:04:26< RedMoonK> thanks for your help and sorry for wasting youre time!
20100622 19:04:57< billynux> :)
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20100622 19:05:23< shadowmaster> billynux: I I added the autotools switch for libana, btw
20100622 19:05:46< shadowmaster> libana still doesn't have an autotools recipe of its own because I'd...probably need...to research libtool or something.
20100622 19:05:47< billynux> shadowmaster: I saw, thank you very much. Did you compile it with the option?
20100622 19:05:50< shadowmaster> but it compiles! :P
20100622 19:05:53< shadowmaster> yes, it compiles.
20100622 19:05:59< RedMoonK> well, really thanks to you, this is really small and mighty part of code, ill add it in an epic map (will be really huge) and youll be named in the description !
20100622 19:06:07< shadowmaster> it's naturally disabled by default
20100622 19:06:38< billynux> Best case scenario, I have the module working by the end of this week
20100622 19:06:38< billynux> good
20100622 19:07:11< shadowmaster> and I believe loonycyborg already took care of the scons recipe
20100622 19:07:12< billynux> but it's not trivial at all... there is a change in paradigms if you will
20100622 19:07:12< billynux> (synchronous vs. asynchronous operations)
20100622 19:07:46< billynux> he did... thank you for that loonycyborg :D
20100622 19:08:17< billynux> mordante has proven a hard guy to reach... but all is good
20100622 19:08:42< shadowmaster> he tends to be quite busy at this time of the year
20100622 19:09:52< loonycyborg> billynux: np
20100622 19:10:23< billynux> I hope he at least has interesting things to do... I have to evaluate exams... not the most entertaining of endeavors
20100622 19:12:10< loonycyborg> Did you consider throwing std::runtime_error("message") instead of just const char*? It'll print "message" when terminating due to uncaught std::runtime_error. That can be handy :P
20100622 19:13:32< RedMoonK> okay that worked fine, zookeper seems to be AFK so i ask here again now: i there anybody who has a few minutes for me in query, i still got another qestion but its not so easy for me to descripe it in english, and the problem will perhaps take a few minutes!?
20100622 19:13:55< loonycyborg> With const char* it just prints "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'char const*'"
20100622 19:14:26< billynux> loonycyborg: nope, I was trying to remove compiler warnings for now, I'll start testing once I have implemented early versions of every method from network.hpp
20100622 19:15:00< billynux> so... I don't expect the throw("TODO: ... "); to remain there
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20100622 19:29:47< shadowmaster> while throwing C-strings as exceptions can be done, well... elegancy?
20100622 19:30:14< shadowmaster> throw a basic_string
20100622 19:30:16< shadowmaster> ;)
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20100622 19:37:15< CIA-87> eleazar * r43646 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/maps/09_The_Valley_of_Death.map: new terrains applied to HttT, Valley of Death.
20100622 19:40:20< shadowmaster> wow, cache generation in trunk is really slow even on Linux.
20100622 19:41:03< shadowmaster> also, I'm not sure the storyscreen changes are an improvement. I personally find it slightly confusing at first glance...
20100622 19:41:44< shadowmaster> and framerate is...below 25.
20100622 19:42:30< billynux> I'll reconnect in 20', see you in a bit
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20100622 20:01:19< Rhonda> silene?
20100622 20:01:55< Rhonda> silene: contentless respond - and off again. If you want something, please provide content so I can respond with something more fruitful than thi.s
20100622 20:02:57< Valkier> Shadowmaster: How knowledgeable are you of the campaigns? Specifically NR?
20100622 20:03:06< shadowmaster> er, I hate NR
20100622 20:03:14< shadowmaster> that might tell you something.
20100622 20:03:23< zookeeper> everyone except esr hates NR
20100622 20:03:40< Valkier> Well don't need someone that likes it, just someone who knows a bit about it.
20100622 20:04:36< shadowmaster> depends on what you want to know about it.
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20100622 20:04:53< Valkier> Well, there's 15 portraits for it in the trunk. Is that all there is in the campaign then?
20100622 20:05:02< Valkier> I didn't know if there were a couple missing.
20100622 20:05:18< shadowmaster> (are you sure you don't wan t to work on a better campaign?) :P
20100622 20:05:27< Valkier> lol
20100622 20:05:33< Valkier> Someone has to do it.
20100622 20:05:46< shadowmaster> or at least, one that doesn't have a scenario in which AI turns can last 30 minutes.
20100622 20:05:53< silene> Rhonda: you told wesbot you wanted to talk to me; so you are the one who is supposed to provide content ;-)
20100622 20:06:21< CIA-87> eleazar * r43647 /trunk/ (13 files in 3 dirs): all new etherial abyss terrain now in mainline. I'll leave removal of the old custom terrain from Delfador's Memoirs to others.
20100622 20:06:56< Valkier> Just think: If I do the portraits, nobody else will.
20100622 20:07:00< Valkier> I'm like a saint.
20100622 20:08:01< shadowmaster> I believe that all major characters in NR have portraits of varying quality already.
20100622 20:08:22< Valkier> Jetrel wants them all redone.
20100622 20:08:25< shadowmaster> zookeeper or esr might now more.
20100622 20:08:29< shadowmaster> yeah, I can guess why ;)
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20100622 20:08:35< Valkier> Why?
20100622 20:08:46< shadowmaster> because they were made before kitty's era?
20100622 20:08:53< Valkier> He told me they were the worst in the game right now along with TroW.
20100622 20:08:59< shadowmaster> of course
20100622 20:09:00< zookeeper> eh, i don't know. my guess would be that there's already a portrait for everyone notable.
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20100622 20:09:13< Valkier> All righty.
20100622 20:09:24< shadowmaster> they were made before kitty's era: this means that their style is not consistent with mainline, and not even consistent amongst themselves.
20100622 20:09:26< Valkier> Don't suppose there's any place with character descriptions? :-P
20100622 20:09:40< shadowmaster> also, that they were made before transparent portraits were used.
20100622 20:09:48< Valkier> Ahh
20100622 20:09:52< Valkier> Oh good then.
20100622 20:11:03< Valkier> Well it looks like fun to me.
20100622 20:13:01< Rhonda> silene: No, I didn't, wesbot lies like usual
20100622 20:13:10< shadowmaster> you might notice that there's an unused variant of the main character (Tallin)'s portrait in there. That was supposed to be used in the "undead branch" of the campaign which would be played depending on the player's answer to a certain event in a certain scenario. Basically the main character switches sides.
20100622 20:13:26< shadowmaster> unfortunately, that branch of the campaign wasn't finished and the author left us.
20100622 20:13:39< wesbot> silene: Don't trust my mistress!
20100622 20:14:04< shadowmaster> which is sad, because it sounded more fun than the stupid cliché'd regular branch when I translated NR
20100622 20:14:19< silene> Rhonda: :-)
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20100622 20:14:43< shadowmaster> in particular, the undead branch had an emphasis in characterization which DOESN'T EXIST in the regular branch
20100622 20:15:07< Rhonda> silene: Managed parallel build with autotools :)
20100622 20:15:17< Valkier> Shadowmaster: Can't we just redo it then?
20100622 20:15:20< silene> great
20100622 20:15:28< shadowmaster> Valkier: what, the portrait, or that branch of the campaign?
20100622 20:15:34< shadowmaster> or something else I'm missing?
20100622 20:15:40< Valkier> Well the entire thing from the sounds of it. :-P
20100622 20:16:01< shadowmaster> eh, no, because the maintainer likes it as stupid as it is now.
20100622 20:16:10< Rhonda> silene: and didn't realize until shortly that autogen runs configure at its end so I always did run it twice %)
20100622 20:16:33< shadowmaster> actually, there's an attempt at characterization late in the regular branch
20100622 20:16:33< Rhonda> s/shortly/recently/
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20100622 20:16:38< shadowmaster> it doesn't save the plot, sadly.
20100622 20:17:20< silene> Rhonda: i must admit i never executed autogen.sh; i usually rely on autoreconf for the job
20100622 20:17:24< shadowmaster> ...yes, I've been reading too much TVTropes. I could make a trope listing for every one of the mainline campaigns.
20100622 20:17:34< shadowmaster> and even for some UMC campaigns such as mine.
20100622 20:17:48< Rhonda> silene: You need autogen for initial start :)
20100622 20:18:14< shadowmaster> silene: btw, what do you mean with parallel builds? compiling with multiple machines?
20100622 20:18:22< shadowmaster> as in distcc?
20100622 20:18:30< silene> Rhonda: no, that's what i'm saying, although it's strange named, autoreconf is precisely there for the initial build
20100622 20:18:55< silene> shadowmaster: no Rhonda had some trouble with make -j, while it was working fine for me
20100622 20:19:04< Rhonda> ah, you do it manually
20100622 20:19:09< shadowmaster> ah. Never had problems with -j here myself.
20100622 20:19:29< Rhonda> It were stupid missing target depends in debian/rules in the end.
20100622 20:19:34< shadowmaster> except that once I passed -j without a numeric argument and flooded myself.
20100622 20:20:09< silene> yes, make should refuse to start when -j is passed without -l
20100622 20:20:59< silene> i have a program that compiles five times (!) slower with -j than with -j2
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20100622 20:29:20< shadowmaster> Espreon, AI0867 : http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=437115#p437115
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20100622 20:32:32< shadowmaster> hmmm...is it just me, or core data in trunk is broken atm?
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20100622 20:38:20< zookeeper> shadowmaster, not just you
20100622 20:38:29< zookeeper> boucman or eleazar must have broken it
20100622 20:38:42< zookeeper> (i'd guess eleazar myself ;)
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20100622 22:07:27< CIA-87> shadowmaster * r43648 /trunk/misc/fortunes/wesnoth: Cookie
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20100622 22:39:14< kevg> hello
20100622 22:39:19< Espreon> Hello.
20100622 22:39:24< Crab_> hi, kevg
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20100622 22:42:41< boucman> hey all
20100622 22:42:53< kevg> boucman: hello
20100622 22:43:05< Crab_> hi, boucman
20100622 22:43:09< Espreon> boucman: You broke things...
20100622 22:43:15< shadowmaster> boucman: maybe you want to check why trunk's data seems to be broken? (namely, in the terrain graphics WML area)
20100622 22:43:33< shadowmaster> wesnoth won't run at all like that
20100622 22:43:36< boucman> ouch, did I ?
20100622 22:43:48< boucman> shadowmaster: it doesn't start ?
20100622 22:43:53< Espreon> boucman: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/3JpsrkJq
20100622 22:43:55< shadowmaster> boucman: yeah, it aborts due to invalid WML
20100622 22:44:03< shadowmaster> just try it
20100622 22:44:06< boucman> checking
20100622 22:45:08< boucman> huh ???
20100622 22:45:23< shadowmaster> let me guess - that means it doesn't abort for you?
20100622 22:45:51< boucman> no, it seems that the tarrain-graphics.cfg is an old one that somehow lost all the stuff I did this WE...
20100622 22:46:10< shadowmaster> um...maybe Eleazar ovwerwrote it accidentally?
20100622 22:46:19< boucman> possible... looking into it
20100622 22:46:48< shadowmaster> the last change that introuces the BRIDGE inclusions was in 43647
20100622 22:47:25< boucman> wesbot: log 43647
20100622 22:47:27< wesbot> eleazar * r43647 : all new etherial abyss terrain now in mainline.  I'll leave removal of the old custom terrain from Delfador's Memoirs to others.
20100622 22:47:30< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=43647
20100622 22:47:41< kevg> Crab_: i wrote a test and submitted patch to gna
20100622 22:48:23< Crab_> kevg: good. I will look at it now, and do an extended test next week - I'll show you the details.
20100622 22:48:53< kevg> Crab_: tests are very long?
20100622 22:48:53< boucman> ok, that's it. fixing...
20100622 22:49:19< Crab_> kevg: if the ai with the healers patch would do better than the ai without it, we'll replace the default ai with this. the tests is ai-vs-ai games, thousands of them ;0 
20100622 22:49:19< shadowmaster> boucman: be careful to not overwrite the awesome ethereal abyss stuff! :P
20100622 22:49:25< boucman> hehe
20100622 22:49:29< boucman> I won't
20100622 22:49:35< shadowmaster> since that's what I was trying to start wesnoth for
20100622 22:50:06< Crab_> kevg: so, the tests can take pretty long - only several minutes per game, but many games
20100622 22:50:12< shadowmaster> also, Eleazar should use a spellchecker
20100622 22:50:20< Espreon> Indeed.
20100622 22:51:08< CIA-87> boucman * r43649 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: fix wesnoth not starting because of terrain macros. Eleazar, please make sure to apply your modifications to an up-to-date trunk to avoid accidentally reverting my changes
20100622 22:51:20< CIA-87> shadowmaster * r43650 /trunk/data/core/terrain.cfg: s/Etherial/Ethereal/
20100622 22:53:47< kevg> Crab_: if all be good i would like to improve that patch. But. Probably i wanna take next a task in different area. Due to variaty. And also i don't know how much time i will be able to spend to wesnoth in july.
20100622 22:54:32< Crab_> kevg: ok! you did really good to collect all the pieces and do this healer improvement. we'll see if it's good or not soon :)
20100622 22:56:37< kevg> Crab_: :)
20100622 22:57:47< shadowmaster> boucman: do you know if he'll be on IRC any soon? IIRC he only comes for scheduled "meetings"
20100622 22:58:06< shadowmaster> and I want to comment on the new ford, but since I already made a post in that thread I feel kind of irrelvant there
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20100622 22:58:35< kevg> Crab_: thanks for help in patch writing
20100622 22:58:41< boucman> shadowmaster: if you have a specific issue, PM him to ask when he can get there, it's usually fine, but he doesn't come spontaneously
20100622 22:59:00< shadowmaster> ah well, I suppose I'll find a way to slip my comment into that thread later then
20100622 22:59:39< CIA-87> espreon * r43651 /trunk/data/core/ (16 files in 3 dirs): Ran umcpropfix.
20100622 23:00:11< shadowmaster> damn, the new underground cave<->water transition looks splendid
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20100622 23:02:02< shadowmaster> it makes me want to make campaign maps again
20100622 23:02:56< shadowmaster> in fact, all of these terrain improvements make me want to make maps
20100622 23:07:40< Crab_> kevg: ok, read through the patch. all is ok, there's a minor glitch in unit::get_affecting_abilities (but that's shouldn't matter anyway)
20100622 23:08:13< Crab_> (it shouldn't use loc_ at all - it should use source instead)
20100622 23:08:30< Crab_> but, for us, it doesn't matter because we use loc_==source
20100622 23:08:56< Crab_> (no need to fix it now, I'll do that when testing)
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20100622 23:15:34< CIA-87> espreon * r43652 /branches/resources/sounds-wav/ (12 files): Ran umcpropfix.
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