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20100630 00:02:34< Ivanovic> Espreon: will do so tomorrow
20100630 00:04:25< Espreon> Thanks.
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20100630 00:22:57< CIA-87> billynux * r43788 /trunk/src/network_ana.cpp: Minor changes in network_ana.cpp
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20100630 00:28:28< Espreon> boucman: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/woodwose#Etymology
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20100630 00:39:44< shadowmaster> wesbot: seen ilor_
20100630 00:39:44< wesbot> shadowmaster: Person, who 33d 23h ago used nick ilor_, last spoke 36d 7h ago.  33d 14h ago as ilor was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
20100630 00:39:51< shadowmaster> :(
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20100630 00:45:11< Elvish_Pillager> Hmm. The behavior of removing an attack during combat is strange.
20100630 00:45:47< Elvish_Pillager> When I remove an Elvish Sylph's melee attack while it's attacking with it, it switches to using Faerie Fire, which isn't even the same index (melee is the first, faerie fire is the third)
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20100630 00:46:00< Elvish_Pillager> (so it becomes the second after the melee is removed)
20100630 00:46:38< Elvish_Pillager> And the _damage_ of the attack is changed to that of the faerie fire, but it still only takes three _swings_ total.
20100630 00:50:26< Elvish_Pillager> I guess updating the attack stats is essentially opt-in per stat, but why would the attack index change?
20100630 00:53:27< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: There is ai for choosing the "best" attack.
20100630 00:53:47< Elvish_Pillager> You mean, it automatically chooses a new "best" attack every time I remove the one it's using? o_O
20100630 00:53:58< Gambit> It's why sometimes the second or third attack might be automatically highlighted when they attack.
20100630 00:54:02< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: apparently
20100630 00:54:06< Elvish_Pillager> that is odd...
20100630 00:54:26< Elvish_Pillager> but it does seem to stick to the same attack even if I remove earlier attacks, which is good.
20100630 00:54:30< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: Haven't you noticed that when you attack with your units it already has the best choice highlighted for you?
20100630 00:54:43< Elvish_Pillager> Yes, I know all about the attack chooser and how it's used for that and on defense
20100630 00:54:54< Elvish_Pillager> I just have no idea why it would be used in this situation
20100630 00:55:01< Gambit> yeah that is weird
20100630 00:55:02< Elvish_Pillager> it seems like it would make much more sense to end the combat
20100630 00:55:16< Elvish_Pillager> which is what I would want in pretty much every conceivable situation where I remove the attack that's being used
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20100630 00:57:24< Elvish_Pillager> ...also, it's not always the best choice, but you probably know that.
20100630 01:00:09< Elvish_Pillager> Wow, this is interesting. If it gets the original attack back later in the combat, it immediately switches back to that attack.
20100630 01:00:42< Elvish_Pillager> So I guess, each swing, it tries to find an attack with the same id, and chooses the "best" attack if it can't find one with the same id... disregarding range, even
20100630 01:01:54< Elvish_Pillager> and, wow...
20100630 01:02:52< Elvish_Pillager> It looks like if you remove a unit's attacks using variable-manipulation and then unstore it, then it tries to give it the default attacks of its type
20100630 01:03:42< Elvish_Pillager> Applies effects to them, too
20100630 01:05:09< Elvish_Pillager> The mercy here is that there actually IS a way to do what I want:
20100630 01:05:29< Elvish_Pillager> If I remove _all_ of the attacks, then the unit stops swinging.
20100630 01:06:02< Elvish_Pillager> And I can remove them all with an object, and then - in an attack end event - vandalize the object and recalculate the attacks.
20100630 01:06:55< Elvish_Pillager> That's even somewhat less hokey than all hell.
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20100630 01:30:41< crimson_penguin> loonycyborg: will you need a compile-time setting for data location?
20100630 01:33:07< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: Where does it store data by default?
20100630 01:33:28< crimson_penguin> well in my releases it just assumes it's in ./
20100630 01:33:44< crimson_penguin> so I've got Frogatto.exe, and next to it is data, images, music, etc.
20100630 01:33:57< shadowmaster> ah hah!
20100630 01:34:03< shadowmaster> you two are indulging in  off-topicness!
20100630 01:34:16< crimson_penguin> well loonycyborg isn't in #frogatto :P
20100630 01:34:28< shadowmaster> shame on loonycyborg 
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20100630 02:45:06< eleazar> anybody around that knows something about the tool that automatically converts maps?
20100630 02:45:35< shadowmaster> wmllint? not a lot.
20100630 02:45:52< shadowmaster> maybe if you ask a more specific question there's someone who can help.
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20100630 02:46:12< eleazar> do you know when it runs?
20100630 02:46:28< eleazar> i.e. are maps automatically checked whenever you start wesnoth?
20100630 02:46:33< shadowmaster> no
20100630 02:46:45< shadowmaster> wmllint is an external script .
20100630 02:47:14< shadowmaster> content authors are supposed to run it on their add-ons manually in a somewhat complicated way.
20100630 02:47:28< eleazar> K, then it's not that
20100630 02:51:03< eleazar> thanks, i think i figured it out...
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20100630 02:57:31< CIA-87> eleazar * r43789 /trunk/data/core/ (terrain-graphics.cfg terrain.cfg): Fixed the depricated flower terrain looking like void, and clarified the tooltip message.
20100630 02:58:11< Bob_The_Mighty> just read your email, that's fair enough
20100630 02:58:28< Bob_The_Mighty> whoops...
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20100630 09:26:36< Ivanovic> moin
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20100630 09:48:01< Soliton> Tycale: got it working?
20100630 09:50:25< shadowmaster> }726
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20100630 09:52:34< CIA-87> gabba * r43791 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (6 files): 
20100630 09:52:34< CIA-87> Basic move validation is in place when executing/removing/etc. Right now an
20100630 09:52:34< CIA-87> invalid path is simply replaced by a new path is possible; the player might not
20100630 09:52:34< CIA-87> appreciate and would probably prefer getting a visual warning and redefining it
20100630 09:52:34< CIA-87> manually.
20100630 09:52:35< CIA-87> gabba * r43790 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (4 files): Whiteboard: made validate_visitor inherit from mapbuilder_visitor
20100630 09:52:39< CIA-87> gabba * r43792 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: Whiteboard: attempt to ghost unit right before animating a move definition, but it doesn't work. Needs investigation by graphics devs.
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20100630 10:45:50< fendrin> wesbot: seen timotei?
20100630 10:45:51< wesbot> fendrin: The person with the nick timotei last spoke 1d 11h ago.  1d 11h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Remote host closed the connection
20100630 10:45:59< fendrin> hmmm
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20100630 12:28:16< fendrin> hi timotei
20100630 12:28:21< fendrin> is the svn down?
20100630 12:34:40< Elvish_Pillager> aww, there's no "two swords" attack image?
20100630 12:41:55< timotei> hi fendrin
20100630 12:42:25< timotei> fendrin: the viewcvs works. trying now to update
20100630 12:42:52< fendrin> timotei: Okay, works now. Must have been somewhere at my side. Maybe the network.
20100630 12:43:17< fendrin> timotei: I had a quick look at the wizards.
20100630 12:43:54< fendrin> timotei: Looks nice so far, when do you want to have finished them?
20100630 12:45:48< fendrin> timotei: Your time schedule says 1-5 July. With WML syntax highlighting. Do you still consider that doable?
20100630 12:47:02< timotei> fendrin: I need to go now shopping for about 10-15 minutes
20100630 12:47:07< timotei> we'll talk then, ok?
20100630 12:47:42< fendrin> timotei: I will go for a bike ride soon. But that won't last forever. Expect me to be back in at least 2 hours.
20100630 12:48:03< fendrin> at most
20100630 12:48:12< fendrin> s/at least/at most
20100630 12:49:58< timotei> fendrin: ok. no problem
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20100630 12:53:35< StandYourGround> anyone on Mac getting a weird freeze error randomly when loading the MP server?
20100630 12:53:45< StandYourGround> Wesnoth 1.8.2
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20100630 13:09:56< Espreon> Ivanovic: Did you check yet, or were you too busy to do so?
20100630 13:21:41< Espreon> Well, bye for now.
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20100630 14:36:34< Elvish_Pillager> Where are the colors of the HP and XP bars defined?
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20100630 15:13:23< Gambit> Is it known that when you start a local game with a local player slot, and then droid it once you get in game, the AI does not seem to... "kick in"? It doesn't do anything.
20100630 15:20:05< Gambit> My guess is that an AI algorithm is not assigned.
20100630 15:20:11< Gambit> Because those are chosen when setting up the game.
20100630 15:23:20< Soliton> Crab ^
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20100630 15:47:50< zookeeper> fendrin, so did you look into the defense ability tag thing yet?
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20100630 15:54:46< Gambit> Crab_: [09:13:19] <Gambit> Is it known that when you start a local game with a local player slot, and then droid it once you get in game, the AI does not seem to... "kick in"? It doesn't do anything.
20100630 15:54:46< Gambit> [09:20:01] <Gambit> My guess is that an AI algorithm is not assigned.
20100630 15:54:46< Gambit> [09:20:08] <Gambit> Because those are chosen when setting up the game.
20100630 15:55:03< Crab_> Soliton: thanks; Gambit: noted. this is *almost* a feature, but the default ai that is assigned if not overridden in a scenario should be fixed, yes.
20100630 15:56:18< Crab_> Gambit: the scenario creator can override the ai for any side (human sides, too) , to make it customized if a computer player plays that side. it's the default (which, as I see, happens to be 'do nothing') that should be fixed.
20100630 15:57:02< Crab_> (I'll try to fix this)
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20100630 16:24:15< Ivanovic> Espreon: checked the pot files and they are fine
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20100630 16:47:05< CIA-87> ivanovic * r43793 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/vi.po wesnoth-dm/vi.po wesnoth-httt/vi.po): updated Vietnamese translation
20100630 16:47:10< CIA-87> ivanovic * r43794 /branches/1.8/po/ (wesnoth/vi.po wesnoth-dm/vi.po wesnoth-httt/vi.po): updated Vietnamese translation
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20100630 17:16:04< CIA-87> eleazar * r43795 /trunk/images/flags/ (6 files): a couple more frames for improved animation of the ragged flag.
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20100630 17:20:53< fendrin> zookeeper: yes I did. Isn't as easy as I thought first, but seems doable by me. I will implement it but can't promise an exact date.
20100630 17:22:36< fendrin> timotei: I am back. Sorry for being late. I have met a woman, couldn't resist.
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20100630 18:18:04< zookeeper> fendrin, ok
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20100630 18:46:48< gangil> Hi, Does wesnoth use any library to compress /decompress it's files like the campaing ones?
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20100630 19:01:14< CIA-87> eleazar * r43796 /trunk/data/core/ (16 files in 3 dirs): recut and rewired the bank transitions to work properly with ice. Also the reflection is a little better, but still not great.
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20100630 19:04:57< gangil> :-/
20100630 19:11:55< gangil> hm.. does it use zlib, atleast that's what I found from googlind around? Can anyone confirm?
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20100630 19:18:21< elias> it uses boost:iostreams for compression
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20100630 19:25:04< gangil> elias: boost C++ ?
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20100630 19:36:07< CIA-87> ai0867 * r43797 /trunk/projectfiles/ (CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp CodeBlocks-SCons/wesnoth.cbp): Add persist_manager.?pp to codeblocks projectfiles
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20100630 19:56:15< AI0867> eleazar: your new water transitions don't work with custom terrain
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20100630 19:56:27< AI0867> that is, you get hard-edged hexes
20100630 19:56:38< AI0867> argh....
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20100630 20:07:24< Soliton> gangil: what campaign files are compressed?
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20100630 20:40:16< shadowmaster> I wonder who came up with these silly ON_PRESTART et al macros in event-utils.cfg
20100630 20:40:23< gabba> bonjour
20100630 20:40:27< zookeeper> no idea. they're useless
20100630 20:40:30< shadowmaster> I guess I don't want to know so I'll not run git log on them
20100630 20:42:11< billynux> hi gabba
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20100630 20:49:06< gabba> hi billynux
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20100630 20:55:41< timo__> hey fendrin 
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20100630 21:28:58< fendrin> hi timo__
20100630 21:32:36< timo__> I have a problem :(. The guys from dell released a BAD bios updated, did that update and my computer is dead:(
20100630 21:32:51< shadowmaster> timo__: no warranty?
20100630 21:33:19< shadowmaster> also, while the motherboard may be dead, the HDD still lives.
20100630 21:33:24< shadowmaster> I hope.
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20100630 21:36:40< billynux> hi Crab_ 
20100630 21:36:46< Crab_> hi, billynux
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20100630 21:36:55< timo___> shadowmaster: I hope so, to
20100630 21:37:00< timo___> s/to/too
20100630 21:37:09< shadowmaster> 749
20100630 21:37:10< timo___> anyway, no uncommited changes :D
20100630 21:37:13< billynux> Crab_, I updated network_ana.cpp to use boost::variant 
20100630 21:37:17< shadowmaster> what the hell is wrong with my right shift key
20100630 21:37:31< shadowmaster> oh, it seems there's a tiny piece of cookie beneath it
20100630 21:38:07< billynux> :)
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20100630 21:50:28< Crab_> billynux: yes, the code looks nicer
20100630 21:51:36< Aethaeryn> timo___: Who does BIOS updates?
20100630 21:52:00< Aethaeryn> I mean, when I was reading the documentation on the computer I was building, both the motherboard and I think the graphics card mentioned something about how to update the BIOS...
20100630 21:52:09< Aethaeryn> But, I don't know what benefits it has if it ain't broke.
20100630 21:52:13< billynux> Crab_, and more coming --v
20100630 21:52:24< CIA-87> billynux * r43799 /trunk/src/network_ana.cpp: Added statistics gathering used by the game to network_ana.cpp.
20100630 21:52:27< Aethaeryn> timo___: Was just curious as to the benefits of BIOS updating.
20100630 21:52:58< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: sometimes, manufactuers fuck up and only realize that when their products have been released to the general market
20100630 21:53:17< shadowmaster> maybe some weird quirk or hardware incompatibility
20100630 21:53:24< Aethaeryn> Ah. So it's the same reason the modern game consoles have patch systems.
20100630 21:53:26< shadowmaster> usually things that you'll rarely run into
20100630 21:53:56< shadowmaster> I for one would never, ever try to update the BIOS. There's just so many things that can Go Horribly Wrong with that process.
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20100630 21:54:10< Aethaeryn> I suppose the same could be said about building a computer.
20100630 21:54:13< shadowmaster> same for any kind of firmware
20100630 21:54:27< Aethaeryn> At least when you screw up software, you don't risk your life in the worst case scenarios ;-)
20100630 21:55:00< Aethaeryn> "How was I supposed to know that the CPU would blow up if I put it in backwards?"
20100630 21:56:13< shadowmaster> the difference is that you are going tto be careful and not force hardware pieces into the wrong slots
20100630 21:56:31< shadowmaster> OTOH, firmware upgrades can go wrong due to power outages
20100630 21:56:39< shadowmaster> or hardware quirks
20100630 21:56:45< Aethaeryn> "How was I supposed to know that ctrl+alt+home instead of ctrl+alt+delete on boot was going to brick my $1500 machine?"
20100630 21:57:04< shadowmaster> try using more realistic quotes :|
20100630 21:57:07< Aethaeryn> Eh.
20100630 21:57:18< Aethaeryn> Exaggeration leads to humor. Either that or I read too many web comics this week.
20100630 21:57:38< shadowmaster> extreme exaggeration like that comes across as un-funny
20100630 21:57:52< Aethaeryn> That's why there has to be a caption.
20100630 21:58:21< shadowmaster> nonetheless, the general advice (even from Microsoft!) is to not update the BIOS software unless you have a *really* good reason to.
20100630 21:58:38< shadowmaster> like, you *need* something that was added/fixed in the newer revision
20100630 21:59:41< shadowmaster> back in the day this would be stuff like support for bootable CD-ROMs, booting from USB flash drives, etc.
20100630 22:00:16< Aethaeryn> Booting from USB is pretty damn useful.
20100630 22:00:29< Aethaeryn> Maybe 20x faster to install?
20100630 22:00:31< Aethaeryn> At least.
20100630 22:00:37< Gambit> :(
20100630 22:00:43 * Gambit wouldn't know ;(
20100630 22:00:54< Aethaeryn> Idk why shrinkwrapped OS don't come on USB sticks now.
20100630 22:00:58< Gambit> He's also out of stipud CD-R's...
20100630 22:01:14< Aethaeryn> I know I'll never put my ISOs on a DVD or CD again unless I have to for computer/BIOS reasons.
20100630 22:01:17< Gambit> Hey... uh... this is #wesnoth-dev
20100630 22:01:34< Aethaeryn> Oh, you can even have writeable partitions in your live media.
20100630 22:02:17< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Yes, I figured that when the person I was talking to is also the one who enforces every #wesnoth* channel and the forums, it was okay to hijack a little.
20100630 22:02:41< Aethaeryn> Considering he could also mute me, kick me, force me to leave the channel, ban me, or even warn me.
20100630 22:02:41< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Nah. You should call him a hypocrite and then run away screaming.
20100630 22:03:18< Gambit> shadowmaster: :D
20100630 22:05:10< shadowmaster> k
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20100630 22:18:46< billynux> Crab_, to implement receive_data... I intend to wait on a buffer container to hold at least one element
20100630 22:28:08< timo___> fabi: but luckly I have my brother's notebook, so I can still work :D
20100630 22:28:16< timo___> need now to get in service my laptop
20100630 22:28:25< timo___> hope they don't steal my gna commiter account :))
20100630 22:28:32< timo___> public key or whatever
20100630 22:30:16< shadowmaster> the private key is the actually important part
20100630 22:30:44< Espreon> Ivanovic: Actually, I wanted you to check to see if I got all of the WML, sources, et cætera.
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20100630 22:31:41< Crab_> billynux: btw, are there any issues ? or all seems ok now ?
20100630 22:32:20< billynux> No issues for now, its not as simple as I would like it to be, but nothing ever is, I welcome the challenge
20100630 22:32:50< Crab_> good )
20100630 22:33:03< billynux> I'm debugging by trying to connect to a mp server
20100630 22:33:15< Crab_> it connects ?
20100630 22:33:22< billynux> and seeing what goes wrong (ATM, I have to implement receive_data)
20100630 22:33:47< billynux> not yet, but it may be the university proxy
20100630 22:34:17< billynux> or the fact that I'm throwing an asynchronous connection procedure and then calling receive_data before it finishes
20100630 22:34:20< billynux> (but no biggie)
20100630 22:34:48< Crab_> you can set up a port forwarding via ssh
20100630 22:35:34< billynux> well, ana support connect by proxy! :) (none & basic ATM)
20100630 22:35:43< billynux> s/support/supports/
20100630 22:36:07< Crab_> the university proxy might not allow you to connect to ports other than a 'safe list' of ports
20100630 22:36:30< billynux> true... but, I don't want to deal with that now, I'll check it later from my home
20100630 22:37:11< shadowmaster> at least in my case the university doesn't allow me to use many ports
20100630 22:37:39< shadowmaster> fortunately the ones I mainly use, http, https, IRC by 7070, and SSH, work
20100630 22:37:51< shadowmaster> I had a bit of trouble with IMAP though
20100630 22:38:27< shadowmaster> of course I can't connect to the Wesnoth add-on or MP servers at all there
20100630 22:38:32< billynux> the sys admins here have had a few too many coffee inputs, and decided to block pretty much everything, but not facebook :(
20100630 22:38:53< shadowmaster> what I don't understand is why in my case they block IRC but not MSN Messenger
20100630 22:39:07< shadowmaster> oh, and they also block FTP.
20100630 22:39:15< billynux> because... how would THEY chat if they did block msn? :)
20100630 22:39:34< shadowmaster> everybody knows that IRC is *the* chat protocol
20100630 22:39:55< shadowmaster> some people also think it's related to haxx0rs and stuff
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20100630 22:40:59< billynux> :)
20100630 22:41:33< billynux> haxx0rs use toilets too, I don't see much point in banning toilet usage throughout the university for that cause :)
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20100630 23:08:39< timo___> ok I'll go now
20100630 23:08:50< timo___> hope it won't take much for the service guys to fix my notebook
20100630 23:08:53< timo___> bye everyone
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20100630 23:27:44< Ivanovic> Espreon: that is exactly what i checked
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