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20100603 02:36:10< Valkier> How's ti going, Shadowmaster?
20100603 02:36:12< Valkier> it*
20100603 03:46:18< shadowmaster> Espreon: feel free to unleash your wrath on me
20100603 03:46:41< Espreon> But, I'm too lazy at the moment.
20100603 03:48:12< shadowmaster> sad
20100603 03:50:55< Espreon> Hwæt? I have... work to do...
20100603 03:50:58< Espreon> Yeahz...
20100603 04:09:20< Gambit> shadowmaster: Come on. That was funny!
20100603 04:09:32< Gambit> I'm sure most people didn't even get it.
20100603 04:11:57< Gambit> I almost left it as "anker" but that'd'a been way too obvious.
20100603 04:12:03< Gambit> So anker->anchor
20100603 04:12:43< shadowmaster> what?
20100603 04:12:52< Gambit> :o
20100603 04:12:55< Gambit> You didn't get it?!
20100603 04:12:58< Gambit> And you still quieted me?
20100603 04:13:15< Gambit> Dang. You'd probably ban me if you got it then.
20100603 04:14:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: It's a homophone that is a double entendre.
20100603 04:15:16< shadowmaster> I quieted you for the shadowaster thing
20100603 04:15:27< Gambit> It took that long to kick in?
20100603 04:15:29< shadowmaster> you are tempting fate again?
20100603 04:15:30 * Gambit suspicious.
20100603 04:16:16 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100603 04:17:33< Gambit> Espreon: You would have liked the joke.
20100603 04:18:30< Espreon> Gambit: http://www.andsuchandsuch.com/hitler.html
20100603 04:18:39< Espreon> Once you read that, your life shall change... forever.
20100603 04:18:40< shadowmaster> Gambit: explain it
20100603 04:18:45< shadowmaster> quickly, I'm getting impatient
20100603 04:18:56< Espreon> He's busy reading about Hitler!
20100603 04:20:35< Gambit> sigh
20100603 04:20:37< Gambit> but that ruins the joke
20100603 04:20:54< Gambit> shadowanchor->shado wanchor->shado wanker.
20100603 04:21:04< Gambit> It's even lamer when explained.
20100603 04:21:58< shadowmaster> :|
20100603 04:22:09< shadowmaster> you'll pay for that
20100603 04:22:22< Gambit> I don't think anyone else even got it. :(
20100603 04:22:25< shadowmaster> I didn't even think of pronouncing it along with the w
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20100603 04:22:44< shadowmaster> you are now un-user
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20100603 04:23:18< shadowmaster> which means that you not only suck, but you are also the literal butt monkey of this community
20100603 04:23:23< shadowmaster> (got it?)
20100603 04:23:36< Gambit> shadowmaster: buttmonkey is all one word.
20100603 04:23:46< Gambit> And yes. I guess...
20100603 04:23:48< shadowmaster> I don't care
20100603 04:24:13< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/butt_monkey ... Hmmmmmmmm...
20100603 04:24:21< Espreon> Alternative spelling peradventure?
20100603 04:24:26< Espreon> LOL, "peradventure"...
20100603 04:25:18< Gambit> Espreon: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buttmonkey
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20100603 04:26:05< Gambit> Also see transcripts of bevis and butthead.
20100603 04:26:11< Gambit> The original coiners of the term AFAIK
20100603 04:26:27< Espreon> Gambit: Jeß, þat is very nice; however, I do not give a shit.
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20100603 04:31:16< shadowmaster> 22:23:48 <shadowmaster> I don't care
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20100603 05:35:56< shadowmaster> if I tackle the sprites first I'd finish by the time 1.9.0 is released
20100603 05:36:09< shadowmaster> that would mean less drastic code changes from that point onwards
20100603 05:36:43< shadowmaster> I've been brainstorming for the Iron Triad's elite guards
20100603 05:36:48< Espreon> Oh?
20100603 05:36:56< shadowmaster> they would be shaxthals, probably based on Elyssa's appearance
20100603 05:37:13< shadowmaster> since she's the ruler by the time AtS takes place
20100603 05:37:13< Espreon> Will they be destroyed?
20100603 05:37:20< Espreon> Jeß.
20100603 05:37:25< shadowmaster> well, not entirely :P
20100603 05:37:36< shadowmaster> I mean, of course the player will have to kill some to get out of the Iron Triad's keep
20100603 05:38:07< Espreon> I see.
20100603 05:38:10< shadowmaster> I think I'll end up scrapping most of the plot for AtS II as well
20100603 05:38:18< shadowmaster> well, hell, I already did that since Kri'tan got nuked
20100603 05:38:28< Espreon> So, who are the members of the Triad in the AtS æra?
20100603 05:38:40< shadowmaster> Mal Hekuba, Mal Kendria and Nar-hamoth
20100603 05:38:48< shadowmaster> (or is it Nar-gamoth? I keep forgetting)
20100603 05:38:57< shadowmaster> led by Elyssa
20100603 05:39:25< Espreon> The "Nar-hamoth" sounds right.
20100603 05:39:49< shadowmaster> I need to finish those deathbringers
20100603 05:40:02< Espreon> OK, I know that Hekuba and Kendria go bye-bye, but what about Nar-hamoth?
20100603 05:40:15< shadowmaster> Nar-hamoth's fate in the original plot is unknown
20100603 05:40:18 * Espreon needs to create a TSL-æra Triad.
20100603 05:40:19< Espreon> I see.
20100603 05:40:39< shadowmaster> outside AtS, Nar-hamoth is the only survivor of the Triad other than Elyssa
20100603 05:40:49< Espreon> I know that at least one of the members would be the ruler of the vampiers that were unsealed.
20100603 05:41:10< shadowmaster> he'll discover that ELyssa doesn't give a damn about the Triad
20100603 05:41:13< shadowmaster> *didn't
20100603 05:41:45< Espreon> Well, of course she didn't.
20100603 05:41:53< shadowmaster> in fact, he'll discover that Uria's plans don't involve giving anthing back for her helpers
20100603 05:42:37< shadowmaster> now, to leave Irdya alone I'd like Uria's focus to switch later to the place that was involved in her creation
20100603 05:42:41< shadowmaster> Ethea
20100603 05:43:13< Espreon> Oh? Tell me moar.
20100603 05:43:22< shadowmaster> no, for it leaves Wesnoth lore after that
20100603 05:43:30< shadowmaster> *departs from
20100603 05:43:49< shadowmaster> anyway, not sure I'll make a campaign of that ever
20100603 05:44:12< shadowmaster> it could be mentioned in some campaign in the future that Uria's forces moved away from Irdya, except for some extremist remnants
20100603 05:44:49< shadowmaster> anyway, for AtS II I'll keep the Ivyel idea
20100603 05:44:55< Espreon> Good.
20100603 05:45:10< Espreon> BTW, TSL was meant to wrap-up the CE crap on Irdya.
20100603 05:45:11< shadowmaster> though after she gets wasted Elyssa will seek to destroy her
20100603 05:45:18< shadowmaster> ah
20100603 05:45:21< shadowmaster> nice
20100603 05:45:41< shadowmaster> ...Elyssa will seek to destroy her to get Merthiaal's heart back for *herself*
20100603 05:46:02< Espreon> Well, of course.
20100603 05:46:15< shadowmaster> because Uria's got plans that involve using Elyssa as her instrument
20100603 05:46:31< shadowmaster> these hearts aren't ordinary hearts
20100603 05:46:46< Espreon> BTW, I was planning for that thing to have a conscience.
20100603 05:46:58< shadowmaster> what thing?
20100603 05:47:28< Espreon> Merthiaal's heart; the thing would be that her conscience is separated whenever she wants... to... appear in places.
20100603 05:47:46< shadowmaster> well, nope
20100603 05:47:59< shadowmaster> we already said that her soul/conscience and heart are separated
20100603 05:48:04< shadowmaster> and the first got destroyed by the desert elves
20100603 05:48:22< shadowmaster> supposedly
20100603 05:48:24< Espreon> Well, that idea was only for UtBS.
20100603 05:48:31< shadowmaster> separate objects in any case
20100603 05:48:31< shadowmaster> ah
20100603 05:48:57< shadowmaster> anyway, the thing is that these hearts are sources of unlimited pwoer
20100603 05:49:10< shadowmaster> UNLIMITED POWER!
20100603 05:49:35< Espreon> Well, of course.
20100603 05:49:43< shadowmaster> basically, these beings can use that functionality to survive without food, water, etc.
20100603 05:49:53< shadowmaster> draining energy from the environment and other beings instead
20100603 05:49:58< Espreon> Now, what would Elyssa do with Merthiaal's heart?
20100603 05:50:09< shadowmaster> Uria wants Elyssa to be the new Merthiaal
20100603 05:50:14< Elvish_Pillager> Eat it? Decorate it?
20100603 05:50:37< Espreon> shadowmaster: I see.
20100603 05:51:24< shadowmaster> losing control of that functionality is what led Merthiaal to destroy her own world in the first place, though
20100603 05:51:45< shadowmaster> and to be destroyed by her sister
20100603 05:52:00< shadowmaster> he he, "sister"
20100603 05:52:08< Espreon> Now, where would Elyssa go after AtS? I was kinda going to have her be the one to revive Zeal.
20100603 05:52:40 * shadowmaster notes unfortunate implications with the whole new Valdir/new Shardia thing
20100603 05:52:44< shadowmaster> Espreon: Zeal?
20100603 05:53:32< shadowmaster> the first thing Elyssa will do after AtS is to find Elynia to get the Ruby of Fire
20100603 05:53:37< Espreon> The ancient demonic leader of the minotaurs.
20100603 05:53:47< shadowmaster> after that, destroy Ivyel and get Merthiaal's heart back
20100603 05:53:48< Espreon> ... of course, he was turned.
20100603 05:54:30< shadowmaster> note that after AtS I was planning to have another party going after the RoF
20100603 05:54:44< Espreon> The seeking of the RoF would fit in nicely with the "gather all of the precious powahful gems" thing.
20100603 05:54:56< shadowmaster> namely a group of oppositors to Uria's rule, from Inferno
20100603 05:55:13< shadowmaster> including a mixed breed creature
20100603 05:55:17< shadowmaster> just because
20100603 05:56:03< Espreon> (One of Zeal's goals is to gather all of the precious powerful gems... yes... there will be moar)
20100603 05:56:06< Espreon> I see...
20100603 05:56:09< shadowmaster> 2 demons and one fairy-shapeshifter (remember that fairies are also demons of a different class)
20100603 05:56:33< Espreon> Now, what were we going to do with the Ixthala demons again? I know that they're just orphans under Uria's wing now.
20100603 05:56:35< shadowmaster> the two demons can get killed by Elyssa because 22:23:48 <shadowmaster> I don't care 
20100603 05:56:45< shadowmaster> the Ixthala demons work for Uria
20100603 05:57:08< shadowmaster> most of the demons are working for Uria and they will support her Ethea campaign
20100603 05:57:25< shadowmaster> what happens afterwards doesn't coern to Wesnoth lore
20100603 05:57:30< shadowmaster> *concern
20100603 05:58:46< shadowmaster> the thing is Uria doesn't want just to take over a world
20100603 05:58:55< Espreon> Well... OF COURSE!
20100603 05:58:59< shadowmaster> she wants to get some sort of ultimate power herself to take over the universe
20100603 05:59:16< shadowmaster> that will bite her in the ass later though
20100603 05:59:57< shadowmaster> let's say that she'll end up sufferring a similar fate to Merthiaal's..
20100603 06:01:32< Espreon> Hmmmmm... I was thinking of having all of TSL's cast except for Kimichira and Horan-Gyakurin die...
20100603 06:01:41 * Espreon is tired of all of these happy endings
20100603 06:03:07< Espreon> ... and of course, I'll probably replace Seisella with Ameriälis.
20100603 06:03:21< Espreon> Sorry kitty's young Silver Mage portrait... :(
20100603 06:03:49< Espreon> It must be placed in Wesnoth-UMC-Dev's resources branch...
20100603 06:04:49< Espreon> shadowmaster: What do you think of not having a happy ending?
20100603 06:05:02< shadowmaster> I don't have a problemwith it
20100603 06:05:17< shadowmaster> AtS' ending isn't going to be completely happy anyway}
20100603 06:05:28< shadowmaster> it needs to end with a broken down Elynia
20100603 06:05:35< shadowmaster> Elyssa on her trail
20100603 06:05:57< shadowmaster> the Alliance's forces defeated single-handedly by Elyssa 
20100603 06:06:05< shadowmaster> (well, YES!)
20100603 06:06:17< shadowmaster> (screw realism)
20100603 06:07:25< Espreon> If the Chaos Empire were to craft a Dark Dragon from an evil Armageddon Drake's soul? How do you think it would be done?
20100603 06:08:01< shadowmaster> from a sealed Drake's soul
20100603 06:08:18< shadowmaster> let's say that J. Random Healer sealed that Drake in a rock
20100603 06:08:27< shadowmaster> because he was too evil/dangerous
20100603 06:08:39< Espreon> No, no, I meant like, use Shaxthal technology, blah, et cætera.
20100603 06:08:39< shadowmaster> heck, maybe even their own kin did that
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20100603 06:08:45< shadowmaster> ahhh
20100603 06:08:55< shadowmaster> difficult
20100603 06:09:15< shadowmaster> I haven't considered shaxthalizing cold-blooded creatures
20100603 06:09:35< shadowmaster> it could be done with extra help from Norsulan technology I guess
20100603 06:11:34< Espreon> The idea is that the leader of the Silver Council (the leaders of the Silver Drakes... it's just a name) would "die" once and live on in this lava golem thingy that is awakened and is fused with his soul (this is obviously the boss of the Fire Palace). Once this golem dies, either Elyssa or fake Zeal (an Emperor Lich; yes, I am going to make fun of the "the final boss in Wesnoth is always an Ancient Lich" cliché) would rip out the soul
20100603 06:13:29< shadowmaster> note that Elyssa is intended to leave Irdya for the Ethea campaign
20100603 06:13:55< shadowmaster> along with other cool evil people like resurrected Zhangor
20100603 06:14:28< shadowmaster> and she will survive past Uria's times
20100603 06:14:41< shadowmaster> but never return to IRdya
20100603 06:14:46< Espreon> OK, then I'll just have Elyssa revive Zeal and appear as a malevolent shadow in cutscenes (most that don't involve the cast) or an astral projection.
20100603 06:15:14< shadowmaster> and change sides
20100603 06:15:29< shadowmaster> she needs to eventually realize that following Uria is not Good™
20100603 06:16:14< Espreon> What do you mean? Good for her own sake, or... ?
20100603 06:16:32< shadowmaster> Good™
20100603 06:16:38< shadowmaster> as in Good™ vs. Evil™
20100603 06:16:41< Espreon> Ah.
20100603 06:16:54< Espreon> Of course, Zeal would remain static.
20100603 06:17:10< Espreon> He's just a monstrous, power-hungry fanatic.
20100603 06:17:13< shadowmaster> she'll need to get a morality pet in Ethea to go back to the path of Good™
20100603 06:17:35< shadowmaster> to side with the Norsulans to defeat Uria, and pay for her deeds along the way
20100603 06:17:56< Espreon> But, but... she killed Anlindë...
20100603 06:18:02< shadowmaster> yes!
20100603 06:18:08< Espreon> That was... mean... really fucking mean.
20100603 06:18:15< Espreon> She was one of my favorites!
20100603 06:18:28< shadowmaster> not so mean as the stuff that the CE did to Elyssa
20100603 06:18:49< shadowmaster> remember that she wasn't voluntarily shaxthalized
20100603 06:19:04< Espreon> Ah, jeß jeß.
20100603 06:19:13< shadowmaster> and that it wasn't done only because Argan wanted it so
20100603 06:19:28< shadowmaster> it was more to save her life than anything
20100603 06:19:32< shadowmaster> (38
20100603 06:19:38< shadowmaster> s/\(38//
20100603 06:20:12< Espreon> I see.
20100603 06:20:16< shadowmaster> in other words.
20100603 06:20:18< shadowmaster> it's all kitty's fault
20100603 06:20:26 * Espreon chuckles
20100603 06:20:28< shadowmaster> for making such an awesome portrait
20100603 06:20:39< Espreon> Anyway, are you curious about the Dark Dragon?
20100603 06:20:47< shadowmaster> yes
20100603 06:20:59< shadowmaster> how will you shaxthalize a drake?
20100603 06:22:08< Espreon> No, no, the idea is that the body would either essentially be a chimera or just a Shaxthalized Fire Dragon with the soul of the Armageddon Drake put inside.
20100603 06:23:03< shadowmaster> the problem is that you need living tissue to shaxthalize
20100603 06:23:17< shadowmaster> fire dragons are extinct since long before the Fall
20100603 06:23:32< Espreon> The differences: the appearance, and the fact that it can whip up æthereal winds and use that as an attack (the same type of energy used by attacks such as æthereal blast).
20100603 06:23:38< Espreon> Hmmmmmmm...
20100603 06:23:53< Espreon> Well, then we fallback on the chimera idea.
20100603 06:25:02< Espreon> The point is that I want to make the technology be so developed that it would be capable of pretty much resembling the real thing.
20100603 06:25:35< Espreon> ... to the point where it is... scary.
20100603 06:26:10< Espreon> I wouldn't want mostly artifical creatures living amongst me and... yeahz.
20100603 06:26:14< Espreon> shadowmaster: Would you?
20100603 06:26:24< shadowmaster> nope
20100603 06:26:33< shadowmaster> that's the whole point of the shaxthals
20100603 06:27:15< Espreon> Exactly.
20100603 06:27:47< Espreon> But, do you find the Shaxthalized chimera idea to be plausible?
20100603 06:28:41< Espreon> Well, I could imagine that the CE would have been able to dig up information on the Argazar's knowledge of biology, so, cloning a Fire Dragon... maybe?
20100603 06:29:55< shadowmaster> yes, it is plausible
20100603 06:30:14< shadowmaster> they also stole knowledge and technology from Norsula, don't forget
20100603 06:30:20< shadowmaster> and Norsulans are really fucking advanced
20100603 06:30:39< shadowmaster> they are supposed to be even more advanced than real-life Earth
20100603 06:31:12< Espreon> Jeß, jeß.
20100603 06:31:52< Espreon> Wait, so the chimera idea is also plausible?
20100603 06:31:56< shadowmaster> yes
20100603 06:32:00< Espreon> Nice.
20100603 06:32:17< shadowmaster> especially when the norsulans have been experimenting with worse things
20100603 06:32:25< Espreon> Heh....
20100603 06:32:28< shadowmaster> (like...creating gods)
20100603 06:32:34< shadowmaster> (failure so far anyway)
20100603 06:32:48< Espreon> Isn't crafting the future fun? You just go forward...
20100603 06:32:55< Espreon> Oh? Tell me moar.
20100603 06:34:37< shadowmaster> no
20100603 06:35:06< Espreon> Damn!
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20100603 06:58:56< Espreon> shadowmaster: Any other great ideas that you would like to share right now?
20100603 07:17:46< shadowmaster> not at the moment
20100603 07:17:53< shadowmaster> I'm going to sleep
20100603 07:22:48< Espreon> OK, goodbye.
20100603 07:23:48< Espreon> Y ya, exiré... sí...
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20100603 08:01:08< Espreon> shadowmaster: If you get the chance, would you please read TSL's campaign description and scenario one's storyscreen text?
20100603 08:01:18< shadowmaster> probably
20100603 08:01:24< shadowmaster> tomorrow
20100603 08:01:28< shadowmaster> I mean, today
20100603 08:01:38< Espreon> You haven't left? Typical.
20100603 08:01:41< shadowmaster> after sleeping
20100603 08:01:45< Espreon> Of course.
20100603 08:01:47< shadowmaster> yeah, I haven't left yet
20100603 08:07:54< Espreon> OK things to do before working on TSL (that are actually TSL-related): temporarily move translation stuff to Wesnoth-UMC-Dev (will move back to WesCamp once I get a version for late 1.9.x/1.10 out), smite crap, create version bump script (must... move way from _"Version: "+{~add-ons/The_Silver_Lands/dist/VERSION}...), cleanup about.cfg, maybe create some moar maintenance scripts that I'll probably never use...
20100603 08:08:06< Espreon> shadowmaster: Fun, eh?
20100603 08:08:36< shadowmaster> I suppose
20100603 08:10:26< shadowmaster> funny, just restarting wvdial and dnsmasq improved performance and fixed the DNS issue
20100603 08:10:45< Espreon> Well, of course, rebooting is the magic cure...
20100603 08:10:53< Espreon> *restarting
20100603 08:10:58< Espreon> But, rebooting is another magic cure.
20100603 08:11:57< shadowmaster> that one takes longer to achieve any effects
20100603 08:12:11< Espreon> I wonder how I'll implement my version bumping script.
20100603 08:15:04< shadowmaster> anyway, good night, now
20100603 08:15:13< Espreon> OK, goodnight.
20100603 08:19:11< Espreon> Ideally, the script would do the following: change the contents of VERSION, update the version string in _main.cfg, and change "mu+svn"/"mu-svn" to "mu" in the ChangeLog; create a new header in the ChangeLog if I specified an option.
20100603 08:19:26< Espreon> ... and I'm just prattling...
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20100603 13:27:28< AI0867> shadowmaster, Espreon: I wouldn't so much think of *cloning* a fire dragon, as of forefully making a drake mature into its full form
20100603 15:05:07< Espreon> AI0867: Huh? Don't you mean devolving a drake into its "primordial" (as far as we know) form?
20100603 15:05:30< Espreon> Please elaborate.
20100603 15:15:07< Espreon> If you thought I was having the CE wrought a Dark Dragon from the Armageddon Drake in question, you misinterpreted my idea. The idea was that the CE would clone a Fire Dragon ('twould have likely been in the making beforehand... what would be more fun than to have Shaxthalized dragons... which we know would be able to easily reproduce?) and the soul of the Armageddon Drake would be installed within the Fire Dragon after Shaxthalization 
20100603 15:15:32< Espreon> *create a Dark
20100603 15:20:18< Espreon> ... now to create a composite image of the BfW logo and the logos that I have made.
20100603 15:21:14 * Espreon is doing an assignment for Spanish class in which one would produce something that defines the person... and... since Wesnoth and Wesnoth-UMC-Dev are major parts of Espreon's life... yeahz.
20100603 15:22:07< Espreon> Meh, IDK why Jetrel accepted by Latin logo; the spacing is too tight IMO. Must be one of those things that are fine to "professionals" but look like crap to "normal" people.
20100603 15:23:40< AI0867> Espreon: well, drakes are juvenile forms of dragons, who have mostly forgotten the way to mature into their full forms
20100603 15:23:48< Espreon> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/images/misc/l10n/la/logo.png?rev=39612&view=markup ... seriously.
20100603 15:24:01< Espreon> I thought that they were an evolutionary offshoot.
20100603 15:24:04< Espreon> Meh, oh well.
20100603 15:24:20< AI0867> so, you minimally shaxthalize a drake and force it to mature
20100603 15:24:50< AI0867> and when it's finally a full dragon, you complete the shaxthalization and move the armageddon drake's soul into it
20100603 15:25:29< Espreon> Jeß jeß. So many wonderful possibilities...
20100603 15:26:28< Espreon> AI0867: Out of curiosity, where is it stated that drakes are merely dragons that cannot full mature?
20100603 15:26:31< Espreon> *fully
20100603 15:26:41< AI0867> lemme check
20100603 15:33:16< AI0867> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SecretLore#Secrets_of_the_Drakes
20100603 15:34:35< Espreon> Ah, I see.
20100603 15:34:47< Espreon> Thank you for pointing that out.
20100603 15:37:07< AI0867> the process of creating a dark dragon would be interesting. I could probably write some interesting "crystal logs" for it
20100603 15:37:14< Espreon> Yeah, being able to force a drake's maturity would sound scarier.
20100603 15:37:28< Espreon> Heh...
20100603 15:37:34< Espreon> Indeed.
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20100603 15:38:09< AI0867> we should probably ask esr if he's thought of anything else that's not written there
20100603 15:39:16< Espreon> True, true.
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20100603 19:13:08 * AI0867 kicks CIA-32 
20100603 19:13:09<+CIA-32> ow
20100603 19:42:08< Elvish_Pillager> wesbot: seen Bob_The_Mighty
20100603 19:42:08<+wesbot> Elvish_Pillager: The person with the nick Bob_The_Mighty last spoke 5d 21h ago.  2d 16h ago they were seen quitting on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]
20100603 19:42:37< Elvish_Pillager> Bother! I could have shown him my THS thing.
20100603 19:42:52< Elvish_Pillager> ...2d 16h ago.
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20100603 20:35:30 * Espreon is bored
20100603 20:39:15< Espreon> shadowmaster: Amuse me with moar cool ideas.
20100603 20:40:37< shadowmaster> hm
20100603 20:40:47< shadowmaster> my head is empty atm
20100603 20:48:10< Espreon> DAMN IT!
20100603 21:26:21< shadowmaster> 15:24:52 -!- Irssi: Starting query in Freenode with Unnheulu|Laptop
20100603 21:26:22< shadowmaster> 15:24:52 <Unnheulu|Laptop> brown paper bag release :)
20100603 21:26:22< shadowmaster> 15:25:36 <shadowmaster> shut up
20100603 21:26:22< shadowmaster> 15:25:47 <Unnheulu|Laptop> Aww
20100603 21:26:34< shadowmaster> Unnheulu is so...amusing, in a weird sense
20100603 21:26:55 * Espreon doesn't even want to know.
20100603 21:27:00< Espreon> shadowmaster: Do furries exist in Chile?
20100603 21:27:13< shadowmaster> I don't think so
20100603 21:27:25< shadowmaster> I was quite confused when I first heard of them in the Internet
20100603 21:27:29< Espreon> Well, at this rate, expect them soon.
20100603 21:27:35< shadowmaster> yeah
20100603 21:27:50 * Espreon has only encountered... two furries IRL.
20100603 21:28:16< Espreon> Well, three, but the third one is just a troll.
20100603 21:28:20< shadowmaster> more specifically, I first heard of them in a xkcd comic
20100603 21:28:29< Espreon> Well, of course.
20100603 21:28:54< Valkier> I worked with a furry once at an arcade, though he hadn't admitted it to himself yet.
20100603 21:29:13< Valkier> Few years later he figured out he was gay and is now dating a ferret or something.
20100603 21:30:45< Espreon> An actual ferret or a ferret furry?
20100603 21:30:50< Valkier> Furry
20100603 21:31:00< Espreon> Oh. Well, either one would be typical.
20100603 21:31:37< Valkier> Eh. He was a nice guy actually. That said, I wasn't overly surprised to hear he decided he was a gay furry.
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20100603 21:32:40< shadowmaster> is that like a...ninja-pirate-zombie-robot equivalent?
20100603 21:32:53< Valkier> Yeah but with less super powers and more... hair.
20100603 21:34:48 * Espreon wonders if PeterPorty will return to #wesnoth soon.
20100603 21:35:06< Valkier> Why did he leave?
20100603 21:35:23< Gambit> He was fired.
20100603 21:35:49< Valkier> Ouch
20100603 21:36:01< Valkier> Well why did you fire him?
20100603 21:36:09< Gambit> I didn't fire him.
20100603 21:36:12< Valkier> Or was this more the wrath of a vengeful Shadowmaster.
20100603 21:36:21 * Espreon chuckles
20100603 21:37:05< shadowmaster> it was more like he found his arch--nemesis
20100603 21:37:21< shadowmaster> who happens to be my most trusted Tyrant
20100603 21:37:38< Gambit> hmmm
20100603 21:37:41< Gambit> did this happen last night?
20100603 21:37:46 * Gambit reads logs to find out who this tyrant is
20100603 21:37:50< shadowmaster> no
20100603 21:37:55< shadowmaster> it was your mom
20100603 21:37:56< Gambit> this morning?
20100603 21:38:13< Gambit> It can't be this morning. I get up before you do.
20100603 21:38:54< noy> Gambit: I don't think the thread will descend to legal bickering, but if it does I;ll step in
20100603 21:38:54< Gambit> My mom doesn't use IRC.
20100603 21:39:13< shadowmaster> Gambit: it was after you quit last night
20100603 21:39:32< Gambit> there are a lot of "everything should be free!" fanatics lurking around.
20100603 21:39:42< shadowmaster> what thread is this?
20100603 21:39:51< shadowmaster> wait, don't tell me
20100603 21:40:07< shadowmaster> I'll summon my magic 8-balll instead
20100603 21:40:09< Valkier> Well now I sorta want to see this.
20100603 21:40:33< shadowmaster> [15:40:28] <Shadow_Master> EIGHTBALL where are they supposedly discussing legalese stuff again in the battle for wesnoth forums?
20100603 21:40:36< shadowmaster> [15:40:28] *GameServ* Not even on a GOOD day.
20100603 21:41:16< shadowmaster> Gambit: so where is this?
20100603 21:41:48< Gambit> shadowmaster: The steam thread.
20100603 21:41:48< noy> oh its the steam thread shadowm_laptop 
20100603 21:41:54< noy> nothing there yet
20100603 21:42:07< shadowmaster> ah
20100603 21:42:52< Gambit> 20100603 04:51:49< PeterPorty> ya wanna pick a fight big guy? 
20100603 21:42:54< Gambit> lol ^^
20100603 21:43:18< shadowmaster> yeah, he enjoys taking everything as personal
20100603 21:43:22< shadowmaster> I hate that kind of people
20100603 21:46:27< Gambit> shadowmaster: can you translate: 20100603 05:11:35< PeterPorty> je suis en train de me coucher avec la mère du Gambit 
20100603 21:47:10< shadowmaster> use Google Translate
20100603 21:47:11< shadowmaster> and fix your encoding
20100603 21:47:14< shadowmaster> you
20100603 21:47:18< shadowmaster> FOOL!
20100603 21:47:39< Gambit> shadowmaster: That's SHIKADIBOT's logs
20100603 21:47:40< Gambit> you
20100603 21:47:41< Gambit> FOOL!
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20100603 21:48:19<@shadowmaster> don't do that
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20100603 21:48:42<@shadowmaster> also, shikadibot is not logging #wesnoth
20100603 21:48:58< Gambit> wesbot
20100603 21:48:59< Espreon> Who beeth the master of wesbot?
20100603 21:49:06<@shadowmaster> Rhonda
20100603 21:49:12<@shadowmaster> yes, I know that wesbot's logs have issues
20100603 21:49:48<@shadowmaster> 15:47:39 <Gambit> shadowmaster: That's SHIKADIBOT's logs
20100603 21:49:48<@shadowmaster> 15:47:40 <Gambit> you
20100603 21:49:50<@shadowmaster> 15:47:41 <Gambit> FOOL!
20100603 21:50:10<@shadowmaster> Gambit is asking to be decapitated
20100603 21:50:19< Gambit> s/SHIKADIBOT's/the official/
20100603 21:50:39< Gambit> s/the official logs/the official logs that you already knew had problems/
20100603 21:50:52<@shadowmaster> note
20100603 21:50:57<@shadowmaster> it works if you set encoding to ISO 8859-1
20100603 21:51:03< Espreon> Ewwwwwwww...
20100603 21:51:10< Espreon> That encoding is gross...
20100603 21:51:11<@shadowmaster> so apparently wesbot is using ISO 8859-1 for some odd reason
20100603 21:51:29<@shadowmaster> it may be gross but it was the Linux standard before UTF-8
20100603 21:51:45< Espreon> Shall I complain?
20100603 21:51:53<@shadowmaster> I won't stop you
20100603 21:51:58< Espreon> If doesn't support the fuþorc, then it is garbage.
20100603 21:52:11<@shadowmaster> Gambit: he was saying that he was going to bed with your mom
20100603 21:52:14< Gambit> what's a futhorc
20100603 21:52:26<@shadowmaster> PeterPorty, that is
20100603 21:52:49< Espreon> Gambit: The *fuþorc* is English's original alphabet.
20100603 21:53:01< Gambit> Oh you mean the one before they fixed it.
20100603 21:53:16< Espreon> No no.
20100603 21:53:21< Espreon> I mean the one that didn't suck.
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20100603 22:00:03< loonycyborg> I wonder why they dropped the separate letters for the th sounds. Of course they're abhorrent, but that's not a reason to drop the letter. Not without dropping the sound too :P
20100603 22:02:29< shadowmaster> They Just Didn't Care™
20100603 22:05:41< Espreon> loonycyborg: Blame the Normans, Frenchies, and other assorted weirdoes.
20100603 22:06:08< Espreon> ... and don't you dare diss dental fricatives... you're just jealous.
20100603 22:12:40< Espreon> loonycyborg: Also, blame the lazy jackasses who invented the printing press.
20100603 22:15:10< loonycyborg> I have nothing to be jealous of. My native language has palatalization which many other languages such as english lack :P
20100603 22:15:36< loonycyborg> I bet that'll annoy you as th sounds annoy me.
20100603 22:16:26< Espreon> No, not really.
20100603 22:16:37< Espreon> I learn sounds for the heck of it.
20100603 22:16:48< Espreon> Now, tones, are annoying...
20100603 22:16:56< Espreon> OK?
20100603 22:17:14< Valkier> Loonycyborg: Where are you from?
20100603 22:17:37< Espreon> ...
20100603 22:17:46 * Espreon loves "whence"
20100603 22:18:01< loonycyborg> Valkier: From Russia
20100603 22:18:20< Valkier> Ohh. I love you guys.
20100603 22:18:27< Valkier> You give my Stolochnaya vodka.
20100603 22:18:36< Valkier> give me*
20100603 22:19:20 * loonycyborg ironically has none. He is not in habit of poisoning himself for kicks.
20100603 22:19:56< Valkier> I figure it's years off my life I don't want anyhow.
20100603 22:20:18< Valkier> Kind of like losing weight.
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20100603 23:14:11< shadowmaster> why do people make names up
20100603 23:14:13< shadowmaster> like
20100603 23:14:18< shadowmaster> Wesnoth-Code
20100603 23:14:28< shadowmaster> Units
20100603 23:14:34< shadowmaster> Sprites of Units
20100603 23:14:40< shadowmaster> ad nauseam
20100603 23:16:18< Espreon> Wait, what?
20100603 23:16:48< shadowmaster> It'd be nice if you could find one of those funny posters parodying Excessive Capitalization
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20100603 23:17:30< shadowmaster> if you can't tell, I'm poking fun at the OP in http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30223
20100603 23:18:13< Espreon> Of course.
20100603 23:19:34< ancestral> Yes! Let's make Wesnoth an RTS :-P
20100603 23:19:47< Espreon> No, not at this hour.
20100603 23:20:19< Espreon> shadowmaster: Hwænne does that monster typically show up?
20100603 23:21:01< shadowmaster> what monster?
20100603 23:21:07< Espreon> PeterPorty.
20100603 23:21:21< shadowmaster> usually after 6 pm localtime
20100603 23:21:25< shadowmaster> local time
20100603 23:21:34< shadowmaster> that is after 10 pm UTC
20100603 23:21:49< shadowmaster> since he's at school
20100603 23:21:57< Espreon> For that long?
20100603 23:22:30< Espreon> shadowmaster: It's at least 5:22 PM in your area, jeß?
20100603 23:22:53< shadowmaster> it's 5:22 / 5:23 right now
20100603 23:23:02< Espreon> Ditto.
20100603 23:23:13< shadowmaster> note that schools in here usually have classes between 8 am and 4 pm or 4:30 pm
20100603 23:23:20< shadowmaster> secondary schools
20100603 23:24:31 * Espreon is in school (starting from when the school day begins) from 8:45 AM to 3:20 PM; 2:45 PM on Wednesdays...
20100603 23:24:47< Espreon> But, on Wednesdays, it takes them till 3:20 PM to get there anyway...
20100603 23:25:09< Espreon> ... and I get home at 4:30 PM...
20100603 23:25:10< Espreon> Sigh...
20100603 23:26:43< Espreon> shadowmaster: Which grades do secondary schools in Chile cover?
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20100603 23:27:31< shadowmaster> uhm
20100603 23:27:59< shadowmaster> primary schools cover Primero to Octavo Básico
20100603 23:28:09< shadowmaster> secondary schools cover Primero to CUarto Medio
20100603 23:28:33< shadowmaster> no idea about the equivalence to US' education system
20100603 23:28:52< Espreon> Elementary school: K through 5/6þ
20100603 23:29:13< Espreon> Middle school: 5/6þ through 8/9þ.
20100603 23:29:22< Espreon> High school: 9/10þ through 12þ.
20100603 23:30:27< Espreon> shadowmaster: Uh, what does «cuarto medio» mean? I don't know too many ordinal numbers.
20100603 23:31:40< shadowmaster> Primero, Segundo, Tercero, Cuarto, Quinto, Sexto, Séptimo, Octavo, Noveno (occasionally "Nono"), Décimo
20100603 23:31:50< shadowmaster> that's 1st to 10th
20100603 23:32:08< Espreon> No, wait, silly me, middle school starts at 6/7þ.
20100603 23:32:19 * Espreon knew those...
20100603 23:32:41< shadowmaster> Básico and Medio are the names of the levels
20100603 23:32:42< Espreon> But really, «nono»?
20100603 23:32:45< Espreon> Ah.
20100603 23:32:50< Espreon> Silly me.
20100603 23:32:55< shadowmaster> they used to be known as Primary and Secondary
20100603 23:33:56< shadowmaster> http://es.wiktionary.org/wiki/nono
20100603 23:34:05< Espreon> I know, I know.
20100603 23:34:11< Espreon> But, seriously, why?
20100603 23:34:22< shadowmaster> Uso: Anticuado o literario (i.e. deprecated)
20100603 23:34:29< Espreon> It's kinda like «hablaba».
20100603 23:34:42< shadowmaster> you won't hear "nono" very often
20100603 23:34:53< shadowmaster> there's a street around here named for Pio IX
20100603 23:35:03< shadowmaster> it's pronounced "Pío Nono"
20100603 23:35:44< shadowmaster> The fact that "Pío" is the sound produced by chicks (the feathered ones) doesn't help things.
20100603 23:36:02< shadowmaster> you might also known him as Pope Pius IX
20100603 23:36:07< shadowmaster> *know
20100603 23:36:55< Espreon> I'm just gonna use «nono», for it just sounds hilarious.
20100603 23:38:41< shadowmaster> IIRC the ordinal for 90 is "Nonogésimo", so that would be one of the few contemporary uses of the root
20100603 23:38:58< Espreon> I see.
20100603 23:39:03< shadowmaster> ordinals past 12 are rarely used
20100603 23:39:23< Espreon> But why?
20100603 23:40:36< shadowmaster> because they are rarely used
20100603 23:41:05< shadowmaster> you don't say June 21st, for instance; you say "21 de Junio" (21 of July)
20100603 23:41:12< Espreon> Ah, that.
20100603 23:41:17< Espreon> Makes sense.
20100603 23:41:35< shadowmaster> large numbers tend to be written down as numbers
20100603 23:42:29< shadowmaster> (exccept in checks, of course
20100603 23:42:40 * Espreon writes out all one/two worded numbers.
20100603 23:51:36< shadowmaster> there it is
20100603 23:51:37< shadowmaster> PeterPorty
20100603 23:54:08 * Espreon laughs at the fact that Blueblaze has to learn about «vosotros» and friends now.
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