--- Log opened Mon Jun 07 00:00:00 2010
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20100607 00:22:24< Espreon> Someone remind me to remove WEP from my wireless network since:
20100607 00:22:27< Espreon> 1. WEP sucks
20100607 00:22:39< Espreon> 2. wicd doesn't play nicely with WEP
20100607 00:23:12 * Espreon has to remove wl and readd wl and restart wicd quite often.
20100607 00:23:23< Espreon> ... and then I have to kill "wicd-monitor".
20100607 00:23:45< Espreon> I happened to collect a bunch of them, and they ended up consuming a shitload of memory.
20100607 00:25:11< Espreon> shadowmaster: Lovely, eh?
20100607 00:27:15 * Espreon wonders why Gambit is bothering with Quassel.
20100607 00:27:23 * Espreon wonders why he bothered with it.
20100607 00:38:26< shadowmaster> phew, compiled qemu at last
20100607 00:39:01< shadowmaster> while Wesnoth is the most memory-intensive C++ program to compile in my collection, qemu is the most CPU-intensive C program
20100607 00:39:10< shadowmaster> what a couple
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20100607 00:54:30< Espreon> Crap! They may bump Salamence to Übers.
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20100607 00:54:51< Espreon> ... if they do... I'll need a new dragon Pokémon for my OU team.
20100607 00:56:56< Espreon> Well, in that case... back to Dragonite I suppose.
20100607 00:57:06< Espreon> ... hmmmm... or maybe I could check out Kingdra.
20100607 00:59:21< Espreon> Jeß... Dragonite... ExtremeSpeed... hmmm...
20100607 01:02:57< shadowmaster> crap.
20100607 01:03:03< shadowmaster> I resized the virtual screen window
20100607 01:03:08< shadowmaster> it looks blurry.
20100607 01:03:09< shadowmaster> DAMMIT
20100607 01:03:43< shadowmaster> Thus, I name this virtual machine with the hostname
20100607 01:03:45< shadowmaster> powercore
20100607 01:05:45< shadowmaster> ctrl-alt-u helps
20100607 01:05:54< shadowmaster> it resets the virtual screen to its normal size
20100607 01:05:55 * Espreon wishes to watch "Ele, o Boto".
20100607 01:06:00< shadowmaster> I bet the u is for "unblur"
20100607 01:06:11< Espreon> Oh, wow.
20100607 01:08:08< AI0867> esr: a couple days ago, we were discussing the possibility of causing a (partially shaxthalized) drake to forcefully mature into a dragon. Do you have any insights beyond what the secret lore wiki page says?
20100607 01:09:02< shadowmaster> now I wonder why Debian's installer likes to set the first partition for swap
20100607 01:09:28< shadowmaster> is the disk start really less likely to deteriorate?
20100607 01:16:30 * shadowmaster watched stuff being installed
20100607 01:16:38< shadowmaster> gods is this ever slow
20100607 01:16:52< shadowmaster> it's like installing on my 1.18 GB hard disk
20100607 01:17:53< shadowmaster> I could have saved some CPU cycles if I set a headless VM instead
20100607 01:18:28< shadowmaster> well, I don't need X so I'll probably run with just a serial line later
20100607 01:18:47< shadowmaster> this will be fun :D
20100607 01:23:39< shadowmaster> YOU KNOW[Byou know what
20100607 01:23:58< shadowmaster> I'll probably submit a patch to qemu
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20100607 01:24:09< shadowmaster> to introduce a switch to disable this MISFEATURE
20100607 01:24:39 * Espreon wonders why Gambit bothers with Quassel.
20100607 01:25:05< Gambit> Espreon: It was on kubuntu when I got it, and I liked it, so now I use it on windows.
20100607 01:25:12 * Gambit uses what works until he finds something better.
20100607 01:25:52< Espreon> Ah, right, you are on Windows.
20100607 01:26:57 * shadowmaster tries to find their git repo
20100607 01:28:01< Espreon> shadowmaster: Now you're gonna bother with it?
20100607 01:28:40< Gambit> it's so fast <3
20100607 01:28:45< Gambit> s/it/she/
20100607 01:28:47< shadowmaster> Espreon: yes
20100607 01:29:02< shadowmaster> you can't stop me
20100607 01:29:27< shadowmaster> nowhere I'll find a well-maintained PPC emulator except in qemu
20100607 01:30:03< shadowmaster> s/PPC/stuff/
20100607 01:30:09< Espreon> God damn it! We need OpenGL...
20100607 01:30:10< shadowmaster> qemu-system-arm         qemu-system-mips        qemu-system-ppc         qemu-system-sh4eb       
20100607 01:30:13< shadowmaster> qemu-system-cris        qemu-system-mips64      qemu-system-ppc64       qemu-system-sparc       
20100607 01:30:16< shadowmaster> qemu-system-m68k        qemu-system-mips64el    qemu-system-ppcemb      qemu-system-sparc64     
20100607 01:30:20< shadowmaster> qemu-system-microblaze  qemu-system-mipsel      qemu-system-sh4         qemu-system-x86_64   
20100607 01:30:27< shadowmaster> just look at that pretty list!
20100607 01:30:30< shadowmaster> think of the possibilities!
20100607 01:30:32< Espreon> Heh...
20100607 01:32:40< Gambit> shiiiiit.
20100607 01:32:41< Gambit> I forgot to back up perl.
20100607 01:33:09< Gambit> buuuut I sent shadowmaster the source!
20100607 01:33:16< Gambit> shadowmaster: Do you have the link to that pastebin?
20100607 01:33:20< shadowmaster> what?
20100607 01:33:36< Gambit> I lost my WIP perlbot.
20100607 01:33:43< shadowmaster> I can find it in my logs
20100607 01:33:45< Gambit> I forgot to up the perl folder.
20100607 01:33:52< shadowmaster> I can't assure the pastebin itself still exists
20100607 01:34:00< shadowmaster> although it might be in my web cache
20100607 01:34:18< shadowmaster> you know, that thing you permanently-connected users despise
20100607 01:34:28< Gambit> Wha?
20100607 01:34:32< Gambit> I don't despise caches.
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20100607 01:35:03< shadowmaster> give me a few hours
20100607 01:35:14< shadowmaster> I'm busy worshiping qemu
20100607 01:35:23< Gambit> weird. the IRC logs no longer open inside IE...
20100607 01:35:26< Gambit> it puts them in notepad.
20100607 01:35:42< Espreon> Jeß.
20100607 01:35:51< shadowmaster> that's IE for you
20100607 01:36:04< shadowmaster> no way to patch it
20100607 01:36:04< shadowmaster> since
20100607 01:36:08< Espreon> AI0867: Quickly, type in Elder Futhark!
20100607 01:36:08< shadowmaster> it's closed-source!
20100607 01:36:13< shadowmaster> haha
20100607 01:36:19< shadowmaster> HAHAHAHAHAHA
20100607 01:36:27< shadowmaster> HAHAHA
20100607 01:36:29< shadowmaster> HA
20100607 01:36:41< shadowmaster> Gambit: isn't it nicce?
20100607 01:36:46< shadowmaster> nice I mean
20100607 01:36:56< Gambit> shadowmaster: But I've always used IE
20100607 01:36:59< Gambit> and it worked before...
20100607 01:37:19< shadowmaster> go back to an earlier version
20100607 01:37:31< Espreon> LOL, IE.
20100607 01:37:36< shadowmaster> oh wait, you can't since it's an "operating system component"
20100607 01:37:48< shadowmaster> so Microsoft will fuck your license if you don't use what they want you to use
20100607 01:37:50< Gambit> wouldn't I need a newer version though?
20100607 01:37:52< Espreon> Gah ha ha ha ha ha!
20100607 01:37:53< Gambit> this is the older version
20100607 01:37:57 * Gambit wiped his pc
20100607 01:37:57< shadowmaster> too bad
20100607 01:38:00< Gambit> just a few hours ago :P
20100607 01:38:08< Espreon> Why?
20100607 01:38:08< shadowmaster> then go and install a newer version
20100607 01:38:14< shadowmaster> and stop being such a crybaby
20100607 01:38:23< Espreon> Or just stop using shit.
20100607 01:38:29< shadowmaster> you get what you paid for
20100607 01:38:30< shadowmaster> ;)
20100607 01:38:46< Espreon> Indeed.
20100607 01:39:17< shadowmaster> I haven't needed to reinstall anything since I bought this computer
20100607 01:39:23< shadowmaster> and installed Debian
20100607 01:39:35< Gambit> :\
20100607 01:39:41< Gambit> people have been writing over my pastebin apparently
20100607 01:39:55< Gambit> because there are a lot of results containing "pgambot source"
20100607 01:40:04 * Gambit does not understand...
20100607 01:41:02 * Espreon blames Evo Morales.
20100607 01:41:30< Gambit> huzzah http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/wkpcsHDt
20100607 01:41:36 * Gambit hugs shikadibot.
20100607 01:41:37 * shikadibot hugs Gambit
20100607 01:41:47< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~/src$ stat /var/log/installer/status
20100607 01:41:50< shadowmaster> Change: 2008-12-26 19:22:34.000000000 -0300
20100607 01:42:07< Gambit> shikadibot: I couldn't have done it without you.
20100607 01:42:17< Gambit> shadowmaster: So what's qemu?
20100607 01:42:41< shadowmaster> your face
20100607 01:42:48< shadowmaster> go look it up or something
20100607 01:42:56< shadowmaster> you are unworthy to be spoonfed by me
20100607 01:43:12<+CIA-33> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7235 /branches/maintenance-toolchain/umcpropfix: Admin: added a missing comma.
20100607 01:43:15< shadowmaster> for you use IE, the worst enemy of free AND proprietary browsers
20100607 01:43:21< Espreon> Gambit: Seriously, there's a great invention called Wikipedia.
20100607 01:43:28< shadowmaster> www.qemu.org
20100607 01:43:32< shadowmaster> it's a much better invention
20100607 01:43:37< AI0867> ᛏᚱᛁᚦᚦᚨ
20100607 01:43:44< Espreon> Wikipedia's even available in Old English and Gothic!
20100607 01:44:14< shadowmaster> I think I'll renice qemu
20100607 01:44:24< shadowmaster> and see what happens
20100607 01:44:55< shadowmaster> -2 will do
20100607 01:46:22 * Gambit rephrases
20100607 01:46:30< Gambit> shadowmaster: Why is qemu worship worthy?
20100607 01:47:13< shadowmaster> because it allows me to run PowerPC Debian on x86_64 Debian
20100607 01:47:26< shadowmaster> without owning a true PowerPC CPU
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20100607 01:52:13< shadowmaster> let it be -5
20100607 01:53:12< shadowmaster> meh.
20100607 01:53:17< shadowmaster> I should've set up a dualcore PPC
20100607 01:57:22< shadowmaster> most of the emulation stress appears to stem from disk I/O
20100607 02:00:48< shadowmaster> maybe I should have set a 4 GB raw image
20100607 02:02:01< shadowmaster> so far it seems like the base system alone will take days to install
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20100607 02:02:18< shadowmaster> and it hasn't even started downloading stuff from the Internet yet I think
20100607 02:04:19< shadowmaster> 40% complete
20100607 02:26:12< shadowmaster> 49% complete
20100607 02:26:12< shadowmaster> unpacking aptitude
20100607 02:26:26< shadowmaster> I want a fucking Mac now
20100607 02:26:38< shadowmaster> an old one
20100607 02:53:03< shadowmaster> ohhh, kdesvn is lovely
20100607 02:53:29< shadowmaster> it integrates so transparently into KDE 4's Dolphin and Konqueror that I can almost not see it!
20100607 02:54:02< shadowmaster> I just updated my local checkout of the wesnoth-umc-dev trunk without typing a single command
20100607 02:54:56< Espreon> But its SSH support sucks.
20100607 02:55:04< Espreon> (Over here at least)
20100607 02:55:39< shadowmaster> SSH?
20100607 02:55:45< shadowmaster> kdesvn uses libsvn
20100607 02:55:55< AI0867> which sucks ;)
20100607 02:55:56< shadowmaster> so if libsvn sucks, so do kdesvn and vanilla svn
20100607 02:56:18< AI0867> it doesn't suck as bad as a badly configured tortoisesvn though...
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20100607 02:56:40< shadowmaster> Espreon: what TSL doc you wanted me to read again?
20100607 02:57:40< shadowmaster> I like that kdesvn shows me a progress bar and download size estimate, while svn doesn't bother to show anything in any way
20100607 02:58:09< shadowmaster> how accurate the download size estimate is, I have no idea
20100607 03:01:54< shadowmaster> finally, running installation scripts
20100607 03:02:03< shadowmaster> this should hopefully take less time than the actual unpacking
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20100607 03:06:57< shadowmaster> installing the kernel
20100607 03:07:15< shadowmaster> well, that will take more time
20100607 03:14:06< shadowmaster> wait
20100607 03:14:28< shadowmaster> maybe my mistake is using the default of 128 MB for the emulatedguest
20100607 03:14:35< shadowmaster> *of RAM
20100607 03:17:22< Valkier> Know what's more awesome than that?
20100607 03:17:36< Valkier> How utterly secure the linux distros are. 0_0
20100607 03:18:21< shadowmaster> okay, 18 minutes to install a kernel.
20100607 03:18:23< shadowmaster> this usually takes 30 seconds
20100607 03:18:27< shadowmaster> :|
20100607 03:18:35< Valkier> Whys that?
20100607 03:18:54< shadowmaster> I'm an idiot for going with qemu's defaults
20100607 03:19:14< shadowmaster> Valkier: well, because I'm am installing PowerPC Linux on an emulated system
20100607 03:19:36< shadowmaster> so the emulator needs to emulate every powerpc instruction and translate to the amd64 equivalent where possible
20100607 03:20:43< shadowmaster> and all of that is running in unprivileged mode, so no CPU-dependant speedups for kernel mode software
20100607 03:21:06< shadowmaster> even the memory management unit is emulated :|
20100607 03:21:23< shadowmaster> damn crimson_penguin for not compiling my software on PPC
20100607 03:24:07< Valkier> Well.. uh...
20100607 03:24:14< Valkier> The important thing is that you tried.
20100607 03:25:02< shadowmaster> I'm trying
20100607 03:25:12< shadowmaster> I'm just waiting for it to finish
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20100607 03:31:09< shadowmaster> sigh.
20100607 03:31:11< shadowmaster> at last
20100607 03:32:10< shadowmaster> ouch
20100607 03:32:19 * shadowmaster scratches head
20100607 03:35:05< Valkier> Something awry?
20100607 03:35:41< shadowmaster> yeah
20100607 03:35:50< shadowmaster> I'm not sure it's connecting to the Internet
20100607 03:36:46< Valkier> Well, Linux is pretty secure.
20100607 03:37:06 * shadowmaster rolls eyes
20100607 03:38:09< Valkier> You trust a penguine! What do you want? >_<
20100607 03:44:17< shadowmaster> well, it seems it connected
20100607 03:44:27< Valkier> Cool
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20100607 03:44:41< shadowmaster> it's just that the Universidad de Chile mirror was down so I switched to the ftp.cl.debian.org one
20100607 03:44:52< shadowmaster> now it's going to spend half an hour reading the package list
20100607 03:45:02< shadowmaster> I'm not sure I'll really be able to compile anything in this thing :|
20100607 03:46:40< shadowmaster> I should try user-mode emulation only the next time
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20100607 04:17:28< shadowmaster> :|
20100607 04:17:47< shadowmaster> I guess the installer died
20100607 04:18:47< shadowmaster> it s been for an hour in "please wait" mode
20100607 04:19:02< shadowmaster> it's supposedly reading the package lists
20100607 04:19:06< shadowmaster> I doubt it
20100607 04:19:33< shadowmaster> there's nothing in the kernel logs indicating oops or BUGs that could have gotten a userspace task stuck though
20100607 04:20:21 * shadowmaster ponders what to do next
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20100607 05:22:54< shadowmaster> dammit
20100607 05:22:59< shadowmaster> I'm stick of this crap
20100607 05:23:03< shadowmaster> sick
20100607 05:23:27< shadowmaster> I want to burn this netinst image to a CD and cut it around the edges like a shuriken
20100607 05:23:42< shadowmaster> and throw it at Gambit, PetePorty or Unnheulu
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20100607 06:30:14< shadowmaster> goddamn cat
20100607 06:30:43< shadowmaster> Espreon: you didn't tell me zerovirus was leaving
20100607 06:30:55< shadowmaster> if I had known that I'd not have hurried to deliver a half-finished product
20100607 06:31:13< shadowmaster> or he didn't told you he was leaving?
20100607 06:31:22< shadowmaster> s/told/tell/
20100607 06:57:09< Espreon> shadowmaster: He left without notice.
20100607 06:57:32< Espreon> Wait, do you mean leaving for China?
20100607 06:58:08< shadowmaster> yes
20100607 06:58:19< shadowmaster> (of course!)
20100607 06:58:41< Espreon> Whoops, dropped the ball on that one.
20100607 06:59:09< Espreon> shadowmaster: If you want, I'll PM him and tell him that you wish to continue to work on that info.
20100607 06:59:50< shadowmaster> nah, don't worry
20100607 07:00:08< Espreon> OK.
20100607 07:00:08< shadowmaster> I don't think I'll add anything that will cause a difference in the art department
20100607 07:00:15< shadowmaster> (at least not a huge difference)
20100607 07:00:35< shadowmaster> (not as far as UtBS is concerned anyway)
20100607 07:00:43< Espreon> Indeed.
20100607 07:01:20< Espreon> Besides, I told him that that sacred knowledge is to remain secret from the general public.
20100607 07:01:26< Espreon> LOL, double that.
20100607 07:01:31< Espreon> *"that"
20100607 07:01:40 * Espreon woke up not too long ago...
20100607 07:02:04< shadowmaster> wait, what time is it there?
20100607 07:02:21< shadowmaster> also, you told him that, but... :P
20100607 07:02:33< shadowmaster> he was teasing me in #wesnoth
20100607 07:03:26< Espreon> According to his location specified on teh forums, he is in Houston, Texas, which I believe is one hour behind my time.
20100607 07:03:47< Espreon> shadowmaster: Or did you mean my time?
20100607 07:04:02< shadowmaster> yes
20100607 07:04:20< Espreon> 'Tis 1:04 AM.
20100607 07:05:30< shadowmaster> ...you ... wake up at 1 am?
20100607 07:05:36< shadowmaster> (it's 1:05 am here)
20100607 07:05:43< Espreon> Twelve-something, actually.
20100607 07:05:50< Espreon> I took a nap at nine-something.
20100607 07:06:08< shadowmaster> and you go to bed when?
20100607 07:06:18< Espreon> Whenever I want.
20100607 07:07:18< Espreon> Yay, an Evony thread! http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30254
20100607 07:07:32 * shadowmaster tries to remember how to declare callback types in C
20100607 07:07:41< Espreon> shadowmaster: Why, do you find something weird with that?
20100607 07:08:04< Espreon> (My sleep schedule stuff)
20100607 07:08:10< shadowmaster> well, I'm not used to being able to go to bed at any time I want
20100607 07:08:22< Espreon> Oh?
20100607 07:08:26< shadowmaster> most of the time I have to go to bed, turn the lights off and work on my laptop hiding under the sheets
20100607 07:08:35< shadowmaster> :s
20100607 07:08:44< Espreon> Big troll is on the patrol?
20100607 07:08:56< shadowmaster> mom does that
20100607 07:09:01< Espreon> Ah.
20100607 07:09:09< shadowmaster> my father doesn't care unless it's for trolling the next day
20100607 07:09:19< Espreon> Meh, my parents stopped trying to control my sleep patterns... ugh... IDK.
20100607 07:09:49< Espreon> I've been defying them in terms of that since I was like... six... or seven.
20100607 07:10:25< shadowmaster> typedef int(*lnk_node_operator_equals_t)(void*, void*);
20100607 07:10:29< shadowmaster> sigh
20100607 07:10:45< shadowmaster> I'm not sure I'll be able to finish this framework with just C
20100607 07:10:59< shadowmaster> I'm starting to feel the urge to write functors. In C++
20100607 07:11:57 * Espreon is surprised that shadowmaster still has to hide
20100607 07:13:02< shadowmaster> they like to blame me whenever the dogs get restless
20100607 07:13:15< Espreon> Oh?
20100607 07:13:21< shadowmaster> if we didn't have a hundred dogs out there it wouldn't be a problem
20100607 07:13:29< shadowmaster> I hate dogs
20100607 07:13:50< shadowmaster> I hate them, as a species. I guess they know that and like to cause trouble in my presence.
20100607 07:13:58< Espreon> So, it is more than the Santiago the city that is flooded with dogs?
20100607 07:14:09< shadowmaster> remember I don't live in Santiago :(
20100607 07:14:13< shadowmaster> this is a rural area
20100607 07:14:17< Espreon> I know, that is what I said.
20100607 07:14:21< shadowmaster> we have many dogs
20100607 07:14:23< Espreon> "more than"
20100607 07:14:39< shadowmaster> like, 20 dogs
20100607 07:14:52< shadowmaster> and who knows how many cats at this point. Probably 15.
20100607 07:15:00< Espreon> Wait, I'm confused...
20100607 07:15:10< Espreon> Did your parents get all of these?
20100607 07:15:12< Espreon> ... or...
20100607 07:15:12< shadowmaster> or something around that. We used to have more before the dog population increased and they started eating cats.
20100607 07:15:14< Espreon> Are they wild?
20100607 07:15:17< shadowmaster> mom.
20100607 07:15:36< Espreon> So, your mother likes animals?
20100607 07:15:37< shadowmaster> she likes to collect abandoned animals.
20100607 07:15:41< Espreon> Oh, I see.
20100607 07:15:54< Espreon> Does she go into Santiago to "harvest" dogs?
20100607 07:16:02< shadowmaster> kind of
20100607 07:16:08< Espreon> That's... scary.
20100607 07:16:11< shadowmaster> most come from other rural areas we have visited
20100607 07:16:22< shadowmaster> technically, only two of the cats we have atm were abandoned
20100607 07:16:30< Espreon> Now, due to my father's allergies, we really can't have things such as cats or dogs.
20100607 07:16:30< shadowmaster> the rest reproduced...from one of them.
20100607 07:16:38< shadowmaster> and the other hasn't gotten pregnant yet
20100607 07:17:02< Espreon> In America, animals get their genitals mutilated! Or... something like that.
20100607 07:17:13< Espreon> So, we have a bunch of its.
20100607 07:17:55< shadowmaster> anyway, afk for a while
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20100607 07:41:43< shadowmaster> okay, where was I
20100607 07:41:45< shadowmaster> ah yes
20100607 07:41:58< shadowmaster> writing an IRC bot framework in C
20100607 07:41:59< shadowmaster> just for the lulz
20100607 07:42:22< shadowmaster> and fighting my inner desires to write functors and templated classes
20100607 07:43:34< Espreon> Why?
20100607 07:44:32< Espreon> Awwwww... still no chapter sixty-four!
20100607 07:44:34< Espreon> This sucks!
20100607 07:44:57< shadowmaster> 01:41:59 <shadowmaster> just for the lulz
20100607 07:45:04< shadowmaster> there's your answer
20100607 07:45:23< Espreon> But, it doesn't sound that lulzy.
20100607 07:45:38< shadowmaster> well, I want to learn to write better in C
20100607 07:45:40< Espreon> Hmmm... flamenco-dancing ninja...
20100607 07:45:47< shadowmaster> so I can contribute to C-based projects
20100607 07:45:50< Espreon> That would be... grotesque...
20100607 07:45:52< Espreon> I see.
20100607 07:45:55< shadowmaster> andnot just C++-abusing projects
20100607 07:46:20< shadowmaster> the secondary reason is that I want to reimplement umcreg in C and implement umcstat in C
20100607 07:46:34< shadowmaster> so they can be more easily compiled in the VPS. And umcstat because...well, libsvn_perl sucks
20100607 07:46:58< shadowmaster> I also just want to learn to write better in C
20100607 07:46:59< Espreon> Protip: send an army of flamenco-dancing ninja after the one who made libsvn_perl.
20100607 07:47:12< shadowmaster> I skipped C and learned C++ directly
20100607 07:47:23< shadowmaster> that makes me feel less than able if I  *had* to hack something in C
20100607 07:48:11< shadowmaster> so I want to learn to survive without some of C++'s features
20100607 07:48:23< shadowmaster> maybe I'll be better able to learn other programming languages that way later
20100607 07:49:39< Espreon> ... and programming isn't for me... teaching people sounds is.
20100607 07:49:41< Espreon> Yayz...
20100607 07:50:27< shadowmaster> become a linguist
20100607 07:50:35< shadowmaster> and later create your own programming language
20100607 07:50:42< Espreon> No....................................................
20100607 07:50:43< shadowmaster> like Larry Wall
20100607 07:50:49< Espreon> That... would take... effort...
20100607 07:50:59< Espreon> Besides, why bother?
20100607 07:51:45< Espreon> Seriously, why bother creating ANOTHER programming language?
20100607 07:51:54< shadowmaster> he did
20100607 07:52:02< shadowmaster> and we got Perl in exchange
20100607 07:52:03< shadowmaster> :D
20100607 07:52:34< Espreon> You'd probably get crap from me.
20100607 07:52:49< shadowmaster> while Dave created a halfassed programming language named "Wesnoth Markup Language" and...
20100607 07:52:54< shadowmaster> oops
20100607 07:53:05< shadowmaster> I need a better example
20100607 07:54:12< Espreon> Hey, WML is the only language in which I can do stuff!
20100607 07:56:25< Espreon> shadowmaster: Seriously...
20100607 07:56:49< shadowmaster> yes, but it's not a programing language
20100607 07:57:07< shadowmaster> it's a programming language mixed up with a definition language like XML
20100607 07:57:24< shadowmaster> the result isn't pretty and confuses many people
20100607 07:57:35< Espreon> Whatever. I was only taking your words.
20100607 07:57:46< shadowmaster> e.g. "why I can't use variables here?"
20100607 07:58:21< shadowmaster> if I take a [scenario] I immediately notice that it's overall written in a definition language
20100607 07:58:33< shadowmaster> [event]s are introducing a programming language, though
20100607 07:58:57< shadowmaster> anywhere where managed WML can be used could be declared a "programming language"
20100607 07:59:11< shadowmaster> this only includes a few places like [event]s and story WML though
20100607 07:59:29< shadowmaster> the rest are bland, static and unvariable definitions
20100607 07:59:32< shadowmaster> GODDAMMIT
20100607 07:59:43< shadowmaster> you made me go into another rant against WML
20100607 07:59:44< Espreon> Yeah, that's nice. Whatever.
20100607 07:59:53< Espreon> Cool story, bro. Cool story.
20100607 07:59:55< shadowmaster> as if linking me to tvtropes wasn't enough
20100607 08:00:10< Espreon> I NEED MANGA!
20100607 08:00:17< shadowmaster> Espreon: hey, I'm not saying it's completely bad
20100607 08:00:27< shadowmaster> still half-assed though
20100607 08:00:38< Espreon> I know, but, still... I need manga...
20100607 08:00:47< shadowmaster> remember I'm the one who was opposed to the idea of adding Lua support since the beginning
20100607 08:00:53< Espreon> Manga, man... I need mah manga...
20100607 08:01:01< Espreon> shadowmaster: Well, you suck.
20100607 08:01:12< Espreon> Support for witchcraft is awesome.
20100607 08:01:31< shadowmaster> but since the addition of Lua support I haven't been able to do anything cool with the WML engine
20100607 08:01:39< Espreon> Why?
20100607 08:02:20< shadowmaster> whenever I get an idea for a C++-based WML tag I think "ahh, but someone else has probably figured out a way to do it in Lua, or someone else will figure out a way to do it in Lua"
20100607 08:02:31< shadowmaster> "someone else will be able to implement this in Lua as a WML tag"
20100607 08:02:38< Espreon> No, don't think like that.
20100607 08:02:47< shadowmaster> "Lua can probably do this already, silene will kick me for being redundant"
20100607 08:03:07< shadowmaster> after all, he reimplemented several tags in Lua
20100607 08:03:12< shadowmaster> :/
20100607 08:03:15< Espreon> Don't care about what silene thinks...
20100607 08:03:30< shadowmaster> until my commits get reverted, you mean
20100607 08:03:33< Espreon> He only moves stuff to Lua that Lua can handle without help.
20100607 08:03:48< Espreon> (Well, Lua in Wesnoth... whatever)
20100607 08:03:53< shadowmaster> getting my commits reverted or trampled  upon for little good reasons sucks
20100607 08:03:57< Espreon> Well, kick him in the face.
20100607 08:04:12< Espreon> Send an army of flamenco-dancing ninja to Frenchieland.
20100607 08:04:22< Espreon> ... to... stomp on his face.
20100607 08:05:13< shadowmaster> in other news
20100607 08:05:26< Espreon> What?
20100607 08:05:30< shadowmaster> I can't find my way through the qemu code without grep
20100607 08:05:37< Espreon> Oh wow...
20100607 08:05:56< shadowmaster> the source code files are badly named and too abundant
20100607 08:05:59< shadowmaster> overwhelmingly abundant
20100607 08:06:16< Espreon> But seriously, who gives silene the authority to revert your commits?
20100607 08:06:19< shadowmaster> oh, btw, a wesnoth developer has also worked in qemu before
20100607 08:06:25< Espreon> ... unless they obviously suck.
20100607 08:06:27< Espreon> Oh?
20100607 08:06:34< shadowmaster> Espreon: he hasn't done it yet for I have not given him a reason to do so
20100607 08:06:38 * Espreon hopes that it wasn't... suokko.
20100607 08:06:45< shadowmaster> but I'd not be surprised if he did
20100607 08:06:57< shadowmaster> rusty has contributed to qemu
20100607 08:07:02< Espreon> Ah.
20100607 08:07:06< shadowmaster> he also wrote modprobe :x
20100607 08:07:11< shadowmaster> and insmod
20100607 08:07:11< shadowmaster> and rmmod
20100607 08:07:28< shadowmaster> and a good part of the kernel's module infrastructure
20100607 08:07:47< Espreon> Cool! I have to use those all the time, because wicd doesn't play nicely with WEP... so...
20100607 08:07:56< Espreon> I have to constantly remove and readd wl.
20100607 08:08:02< Espreon> ... and restart wicd.
20100607 08:08:09< Espreon> Doing one isn't good enough.
20100607 08:08:21< shadowmaster> huh, what? it shouldn't be so bad to break a kernel module
20100607 08:08:36< Espreon> Meh, IDK.
20100607 08:08:39< shadowmaster> also, I was on a WEP network some days ago and I had no problem
20100607 08:08:53< shadowmaster> i.e. are you sure you don't want to blame your driver instead?
20100607 08:08:59< Espreon> IDK.
20100607 08:09:07< Espreon> I'm not going back to using ndiswrapper.
20100607 08:09:30< shadowmaster> well, ndiswrapper is the kernel equivalent of TNT
20100607 08:09:59< Espreon> So, remind me to remove WEP from my network, for:
20100607 08:10:01< Espreon> 1. It sucks
20100607 08:10:13< Espreon> 2. wicd/wl/whatever isn't playing nicely with it
20100607 08:10:33< shadowmaster> on my older laptop I could reproduceably (word?) crash an opensuse kernel by simply *trying to reconnect to the same network before starting the DHCP probe*
20100607 08:10:43< shadowmaster> with ndiswrapper
20100607 08:10:51< Espreon> Oh wow.
20100607 08:11:06< Espreon> Although I've never had any problems with ndiswrapper... yeahz.
20100607 08:11:10< Espreon> I just... no...
20100607 08:11:11< shadowmaster> same when trying to connect to a missing network
20100607 08:12:34< Espreon> Also, don't go, "LOL, b43"... I would still have to use proprietary firmware.
20100607 08:12:35< shadowmaster> in my experience, opensource drivers can cause BUGs, WARNINGs, kernel panics, but rarely lock the system up without remedy, whereas proprietary drivers tend to do the latter only
20100607 08:13:02< Espreon> So, until b43 supports my card and when that open source firmware matures enough.... yeahz.
20100607 08:13:11< Espreon> Dude, I can't take chances with my Intermanets.
20100607 08:13:23< Espreon> I'm no rms, who would rather have no Intermanet.
20100607 08:13:38< shadowmaster> well yeah
20100607 08:13:48< Espreon> LOL, gNewSense.
20100607 08:13:55< shadowmaster> I used ndiswrapper until I just couldn't
20100607 08:13:57< Espreon> Sorry, I like my Intermanet.
20100607 08:14:15< shadowmaster> since I couldn't find a windows xp 64-bit driver for my new laptop's wifi controller
20100607 08:14:34< Espreon> Oh, wow.
20100607 08:14:39< shadowmaster> then Linux 2.6.27 arrived with its ath5k module
20100607 08:14:45< shadowmaster> :D
20100607 08:15:08< shadowmaster> no crashes from the network layer so far. Id est, for a year and a half
20100607 08:15:27< Espreon> Broadcom sucks...
20100607 08:15:44< Espreon> Even though we have b43, we still need firmware!
20100607 08:15:51< Espreon> So, fuck that.
20100607 08:16:34< shadowmaster> ah well
20100607 08:16:46< shadowmaster> I found the line of code qhere qemu requests SDL for a resizable window
20100607 08:17:04< shadowmaster> now to figure out where to insert new command line options
20100607 08:17:14< Espreon> Have fun.
20100607 08:17:31< shadowmaster> flags = SDL_HWSURFACE|SDL_ASYNCBLIT|SDL_HWACCEL|SDL_RESIZABLE;
20100607 08:17:45< shadowmaster> seriously, who thought that resizing windows and rescaling was a good idea
20100607 08:18:09< shadowmaster> at least it could preserve the aspect ratio
20100607 08:18:32< Espreon> Joe Schmoe Random Jackass? Yes, for some reason, we are using the Spanish system.
20100607 08:19:03< Espreon> Noöne cares about Mr. Random.
20100607 08:19:57 * Espreon goes to his... favorite forums.
20100607 08:20:52< Espreon> Hmmm... lots of new posts...
20100607 08:22:48< Espreon> LOL, McDojo.
20100607 08:25:09< Espreon> shadowmaster: 
20100607 08:25:12< Espreon> AAAH!
20100607 08:25:18< Espreon> Damn paste!
20100607 08:25:41< Espreon> shadowmaster: Anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H40fChEhWI&feature=player_embedded ... why?
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20100607 08:26:57< shadowmaster> o_O
20100607 08:30:09< Espreon> I know, huh?
20100607 08:30:58< shadowmaster> disclaimer: I watched without sound
20100607 08:31:54< Espreon> Why? Didn't want your mother to find you?
20100607 08:32:38< shadowmaster> well, yeah
20100607 08:32:56< shadowmaster> I don't want to wake people up
20100607 08:33:03< Espreon> View it tomorrow.
20100607 08:33:15< Espreon> It has such a stupid jingle.
20100607 08:33:41< shadowmaster> also, I want to shoot in the head whoever maintains qemu
20100607 08:33:54< shadowmaster> for not being able to decide upon a SANE file naming scheme
20100607 08:36:33< Espreon> Speaking of which, I might as well fix all of the ugly strictly lower-case filenames of things such as DM.
20100607 08:39:36< shadowmaster> yeah
20100607 08:39:58< shadowmaster> this is a good moment since there has been no 1.9.x release yet
20100607 08:40:08< shadowmaster> so there are no savegames to break
20100607 08:40:36< Espreon> Indeed.
20100607 08:41:06< Espreon> We must prevent the possibility of a 1.8 to 1.9 xdelta!
20100607 08:42:07< Espreon> shadowmaster: Break some stuff.
20100607 08:42:45< shadowmaster> "vl.c"?
20100607 08:42:48< shadowmaster> WHAT THE HELL
20100607 08:43:01< shadowmaster> who the hell named these files?!
20100607 08:43:18< Espreon> WTF?
20100607 08:44:09< shadowmaster> B[Bargh
20100607 08:44:10< shadowmaster> enough qemu
20100607 08:44:15< shadowmaster> for me this night
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20100607 08:45:55< Espreon> shadowmaster: Break some stuff in Wesnoth.
20100607 08:46:11< shadowmaster> unlikely
20100607 08:46:17< shadowmaster> I want to break stuff elsewhere
20100607 08:46:23< Espreon> ...
20100607 08:46:31< Espreon> Come on! Even *I* broke stuff.
20100607 08:46:38< shadowmaster> because Wesnoth is already broken
20100607 08:46:45< Espreon> Break it some moar1
20100607 08:46:46< shadowmaster> well
20100607 08:46:48< Espreon> *!
20100607 08:47:00< shadowmaster> I still have the reworking of the addons client implementation pending
20100607 08:47:07< Espreon> Oh?
20100607 08:47:09< shadowmaster> the problem is that I'm not completely sure what I want
20100607 08:47:19< Espreon> What is the goal?
20100607 08:47:21< shadowmaster> s/what/how/
20100607 08:47:41< shadowmaster> the goal is reducing code mess and improving add-on dependency tracking along the way
20100607 08:47:48< Espreon> I see.
20100607 08:48:09< shadowmaster> and hopefully make it easier to write an initial GUI2 Implementation of the client
20100607 08:48:32< shadowmaster> i.e. detach most of the existing code from GUI1 or any GUI in particular
20100607 08:48:56< Espreon> http://gna.org/bugs/?16120 ... WTF?
20100607 08:49:10< shadowmaster> once that is done I also want to add warnings for people trying to download add-ons that they've got a .pbl for in their preferences dir
20100607 08:49:24< shadowmaster> that  killed a working version of IftU once, before wesnoth-umc-dev
20100607 08:49:55< shadowmaster> I could add the warnings before if the release schedule bites me first
20100607 08:50:37< shadowmaster> anyway, good night
20100607 08:53:03< Espreon> http://gna.org/bugs/?8625 ... I really want this.
20100607 08:53:08< Espreon> shadowmaster: Goodnight.
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20100607 14:11:29< shadowmaster> hi Gambit 
20100607 14:11:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: Hi. :)
20100607 14:11:55< Valkier> Hello guys!
20100607 14:12:03 * Valkier loves you both so much
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20100607 14:21:25< shadowmaster> *stab*
20100607 14:21:44< Valkier> Nooooooo!
20100607 14:22:42< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=30091
20100607 14:22:46< shadowmaster> what the hell is this?
20100607 14:23:57< shadowmaster> and I don't mean the OP's contents
20100607 14:24:20< Valkier> This is the most vague rhetorical question ever.
20100607 14:24:21< shadowmaster> I mean the uncanny coincidence of two idiot-sounding forumers with a post count of 1 posting in the same thread
20100607 14:25:23< shadowmaster> completely different ISPs
20100607 14:25:32< shadowmaster> completely different locations in the world
20100607 14:25:33< Valkier> One joined back in October too.
20100607 14:26:26< Valkier> Perhaps a very forward thinking individual made an account months in advance in order to agree with his future account?
20100607 14:26:45< shadowmaster> no
20100607 14:27:14< shadowmaster> if we used such a thing as A blocks nowadays, they are in completely different A blocks
20100607 14:27:22< shadowmaster> so it's very unlikely that they are clones
20100607 14:27:49< Valkier> I'm going with an unfortunate beginning to a hive mind then.
20100607 14:29:32< Valkier> Today Wesnoth forums, tomorrow it conquers an Arby's.
20100607 14:44:46< loonycyborg> shadowmaster: Maybe that guy used tor :P
20100607 15:05:38< Gambit> It's obviously evil, perverted, and wrong.
20100607 15:05:49< Valkier> Me?
20100607 15:06:00< Gambit> (Hey! Perhaps they're just friends)
20100607 15:08:28< Gambit> Alright here's my theory: (ping shadowmaster)
20100607 15:08:35< Gambit> Termit introduces them both to wesnoth around may.
20100607 15:08:56< Gambit> Where he's already been playing for a while.
20100607 15:09:20< Gambit> Sleaver signs up on the forums and posts his AWESOME idea (not really awesome, I'm speaking from his point of view).
20100607 15:09:27< Gambit> Sleaver's thread dies a painful death.
20100607 15:09:46< Gambit> So he asks his friends on another forum or chat room to go and revive it.
20100607 15:09:56< Gambit> Problem is, two friends get the message.
20100607 15:10:35< Gambit> Actually it wasn't dead that long...
20100607 15:11:02< Gambit> s/go and revive it/go and support the idea/
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20100607 15:42:05< shadowmaster> okay, I found what I needed to patch qemu
20100607 15:42:41< shadowmaster> I think
20100607 15:42:55< Gambit> scissors, a needle, some thread, a piece of fabric
20100607 15:43:00< shadowmaster> no, idiot
20100607 15:44:07< shadowmaster> hm, this is one heavy-traffic mailing list
20100607 15:45:45< shadowmaster> and this is a really gigantic entrypoint
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20100607 16:57:54< shadowmaster> good news, everyone!
20100607 16:58:00< shadowmaster> I've got an awesome idea
20100607 16:58:14< shadowmaster> 10:55:01 <+shadowmaster> I'll finish my crappy linked lists implementation in C
20100607 16:58:17< shadowmaster> 10:55:04 <+shadowmaster> patent it
20100607 16:58:20< shadowmaster> 10:55:11 <+shadowmaster> publish it under a proprietary license
20100607 16:58:22< shadowmaster> 10:55:17 <+shadowmaster> and label it 8G
20100607 16:58:25< shadowmaster> 10:55:33 <+robinetd> then sue when they try to use that name? :p
20100607 16:58:27< shadowmaster> 10:55:38 <+shadowmaster> yes
20100607 16:58:30< shadowmaster> 10:55:52 <+robinetd> revenge is bitter sweet. Also cash-filled.
20100607 16:58:32< shadowmaster> 10:55:54 <+shadowmaster> and meanwhile observe journalists going "OOOOH" and "AAAAAH" over the shiny name
20100607 16:58:49< shadowmaster> 10:57:14 <+shadowmaster> s/journalists/shiny-stuff-licking people/
20100607 17:00:06< loonycyborg> Linked lists are so cliche. Maybe a trie would be better :P
20100607 17:02:07< shadowmaster> I'm writing yet another LL implementation anyway
20100607 17:02:27< shadowmaster> I'll handle hashes later if I need them for my supersecret project
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