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20100614 01:10:32< Espreon> Yay, the KDE 4.4.85 sources were found...
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20100614 03:32:26< AI0867> Espreon: TRANSITION_BASE still exists, what exactly was the terrain issue?
20100614 04:04:22< King_Elendil> anyone want to help me with a (non-technical) scenario design question?
20100614 04:27:53< AI0867> er, possibly
20100614 04:28:17< AI0867> it's usually a good idea to just ask your question
20100614 04:29:13< King_Elendil> the story goes that if the player claims one of the many villages on enemy territory, a scout is sent out from that village to warn a near-by fort of an invasion. I want to know what I should do if a scout has already warned the fort, and the player claims another village.
20100614 04:29:35< King_Elendil> make sense?
20100614 04:31:23< AI0867> yeah, and, not sure
20100614 04:31:47< AI0867> does it make sense for the villagers to know whether the fort has been warned?
20100614 04:31:58< AI0867> if not, maybe send more riders
20100614 04:33:15< King_Elendil> hmm, I never considered that. then what should the rider do when it reaches the fort?
20100614 04:33:44< AI0867> just join the fort's forces?
20100614 04:36:38< King_Elendil> I guess that would work just fine. Thanks for everything :D !
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20100614 06:57:09< shadowmaster> KDE 4.4.4 kind of broke everything here
20100614 06:58:28 * shadowmaster goes to ask for help from Sid
20100614 07:00:18< shadowmaster> Beh
20100614 07:00:32 * shadowmaster scratches head
20100614 07:00:54< shadowmaster> xfce's panel is broken too
20100614 07:01:10< shadowmaster> I guess I'll need to switch to fluxbox
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20100614 07:02:56< shadowmaster> aha.
20100614 07:03:05< shadowmaster> not all 4.4.4 packages are in testing yet
20100614 07:03:26< shadowmaster> so this mix-up must be the cause of this general broknness
20100614 07:03:30< shadowmaster> doesn't explain xfce's, though
20100614 07:04:09< shadowmaster> I guess I'll wait another hour
20100614 07:04:19< shadowmaster> if those packages don't make it to testing today I'll have to pull from Sid
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20100614 09:05:23< shadowmaster> this had better work now
20100614 09:05:33< shadowmaster> it seems that the remaining packages are in testing now
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20100614 09:30:18< shadowmaster> w00t! it's alive again! \o/
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20100614 14:24:05< shadowmaster> wesbot: whatis thot
20100614 14:24:06<+wesbot> shadowmaster: thot stands for "The Hammer of Thursagan"
20100614 14:24:36< shadowmaster> wesbot: whatis IftU
20100614 14:24:36<+wesbot> shadowmaster: IftU stands for "Invasion from the Unknown" (campaign name)
20100614 14:24:43< shadowmaster> wesbot: whatis GEB
20100614 14:24:43<+wesbot> shadowmaster: Sorry, I don't know about GEB...
20100614 14:24:49< shadowmaster> shikadibot: GEB?
20100614 14:24:50<+shikadibot> Sorry, I don't know what 'GEB' means...
20100614 14:25:01< shadowmaster> interesting.
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20100614 15:39:17< Valkier> What is it with windows losing my Wacom drivers?
20100614 16:01:15< thespaceinvader> that keeps happening to me too
20100614 16:01:25< thespaceinvader> usually when i've had my power cable disconnected ror a while
20100614 16:01:57< Valkier> Getting damn frustrating. Some days I have to reopen Photoshop a couple times. Sometimes I have to go redownload the drivers completely.
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20100614 17:53:42< shadowmaster> inactive spambot http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=122188
20100614 17:53:54< shadowmaster> lol ban lol
20100614 17:54:14< Valkier> Shadowmaster: Assassin of forum bots.
20100614 17:55:11< shadowmaster> am I the only one who associated cloud computing to WANs when it was just beginning to catch the media's attention?
20100614 17:57:32< Valkier> Refresh my memory of what WAN is.
20100614 17:58:16< shadowmaster> go look it up if you don't know what it is
20100614 17:58:32< shadowmaster> hint: it's a networking thing
20100614 17:59:22< Valkier> Cloud computing lets me play games on a mac!
20100614 17:59:25< Valkier> You cannot compare the two.
20100614 18:00:34< shadowmaster> I wasn't.
20100614 18:08:20< Valkier> You can't stop here!
20100614 18:08:24< Valkier> This is bat country!
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20100614 19:36:34< Valkier> http://www.youtube.com/e3?feature=ticker
20100614 19:36:43< Valkier> For anyone who cares, life E3 feed.
20100614 19:36:47< Valkier> live*
20100614 19:39:53< Aethaeryn> Is there a Wesnoth booth there this year?
20100614 19:41:28< Valkier> Yes.
20100614 19:41:45< zookeeper> for goodness' sake what bullcrap going on there right now
20100614 19:41:52< Aethaeryn> Oh, okay, 'cuz that's about all that can run on my old computer that's getting increasingly worse by the day.
20100614 19:42:18< Aethaeryn> It's using more and more CPU for the usual things.
20100614 19:42:42< Aethaeryn> Oh, also, live feeds are incredibly boring because Activision and EA spend all day on their "mainstream" and children's games, and a lot of other boring things...
20100614 19:42:48< Aethaeryn> As well as a long of games that are doomed for failure
20100614 19:42:58< Aethaeryn> and then they spend 5-10 minutes on the games everyone wants to see at the end...
20100614 19:43:15< Aethaeryn> So, watching a live stream or w/e lets you see things live...
20100614 19:43:17< Elvish_Pillager> hey Aethaeryn
20100614 19:43:24< Aethaeryn> Or you can just look up the 5-10 minutes of what you wanted to see in a day.
20100614 19:43:28< Aethaeryn> :P
20100614 19:43:37< Elvish_Pillager> I made a Naumachia map; it's in the add-on now
20100614 19:44:16< Aethaeryn> cool
20100614 19:44:20< Aethaeryn> no time for MP, unfortunately.
20100614 19:44:21< Elvish_Pillager> I played it once, can't say it was that great
20100614 19:44:32 * shadowmaster squishes his Hulavuta voodoo doll
20100614 19:44:36< Elvish_Pillager> fixed some bugs
20100614 19:44:59< Elvish_Pillager> and made it so that you lose your attack when boarding an enemy ship, because it was pretty obvious that boarding was too easy
20100614 19:45:14< Elvish_Pillager> but that's a bit of a kludge
20100614 19:45:23< Elvish_Pillager> There's probably a better solution.
20100614 19:46:17< Aethaeryn> allow ability to buy a second plank?
20100614 19:46:23< Aethaeryn> so you can at least escape better when it floods?
20100614 19:46:31< Aethaeryn> the original one had one
20100614 19:46:37< Elvish_Pillager> No - a solution it it being too easy to take over enemy ships.
20100614 19:46:42< Elvish_Pillager> * to it
20100614 19:46:43< Aethaeryn> the first thing that struck me today playing it locally...
20100614 19:46:57< Aethaeryn> is that there's not much you can do in a market
20100614 19:47:02< Elvish_Pillager> True.
20100614 19:47:03< Aethaeryn> but... hmmm
20100614 19:47:10< Valkier> Shadowmaster: Why are you crushing Hulavuta?
20100614 19:47:24< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: How about it forces a melee attack?
20100614 19:47:34< Aethaeryn> to ram/board?
20100614 19:47:44< Elvish_Pillager> Like, you can't both fire cannons and board?
20100614 19:47:47< Aethaeryn> then there's a probability your ship is actually HURT
20100614 19:47:49< Aethaeryn> no, no
20100614 19:47:55< Aethaeryn> I mean, that the first time you board...
20100614 19:48:02< Aethaeryn> you have to ram the ship too or something
20100614 19:48:20< Elvish_Pillager> How is that different from what I said?
20100614 19:48:24< Elvish_Pillager> the ram attacks hardly do any damage.
20100614 19:48:32< Elvish_Pillager> So it's basically just making it so that you can't use cannons on the same turn.
20100614 19:49:13< Elvish_Pillager> and if you actually want to take over the ship, you probably don't want to fire cannons at it anyway.
20100614 19:50:06< Elvish_Pillager> Ignoring the sea battle and fighting on the decks of the ships seems like the dominant strategy in Naumachia currently...
20100614 19:50:21< Elvish_Pillager> ...well, except that it's an FFA so the dominant strategy is to not fight, but I'm ignoring that for now.
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20100614 21:54:31< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: do you have renaming ship rename the label thing for it?
20100614 21:54:43< Aethaeryn> it's a little annoying having to relabel it so I don't get my ships confused
20100614 21:54:47< Aethaeryn> my identically-named ships
20100614 21:54:59< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: perhaps use text input to have them named from the start?
20100614 21:55:13< Aethaeryn> You can input text through menus, like in Bob's RPG Era when you speak "in character"
20100614 21:55:20< Aethaeryn> you can simply have a box like that to name your ship
20100614 21:55:20< Elvish_Pillager> Aethaeryn, renaming the ships resets the label after the side turn.
20100614 21:55:46< Aethaeryn> what do you think about naming-from-start though?
20100614 21:55:48< Aethaeryn> not just renaming
20100614 21:55:58< Aethaeryn> might make it seem less hackish than having a "Galleon" or a "Frigate" or w/e
20100614 21:56:23< Aethaeryn> Elvish_Pillager: also, I think that is how Naumachias were fought, btw.
20100614 21:56:28< Aethaeryn> fighting on decks of ships...
20100614 21:56:32< Aethaeryn> and just ancient battles in general
20100614 21:56:34< Elvish_Pillager> True.
20100614 21:56:39< Aethaeryn> at least Roman-style.
20100614 21:56:42< Elvish_Pillager> The cannons are so anacrhonistic :p
20100614 21:56:58< Aethaeryn> Romans were a land military nation, even though they wound up owning the whole Mediterranean and using it for trade/transport/killing-all-pirates
20100614 21:57:13< Aethaeryn> so at least, early on, they basically just rammed and then just boarded.
20100614 21:57:30< Aethaeryn> and butchered sailor types
20100614 21:57:45< Aethaeryn> And yes, I'm now an expert of Roman culture because of that one class :P
20100614 21:57:55< Aethaeryn> Hey, counts as a culture gen-ed... and is very history-related.
20100614 21:58:03< Aethaeryn> I got an A in it too :)
20100614 21:58:09< Elvish_Pillager> I could have guessed :D
20100614 21:58:24< Aethaeryn> Actually, I got a B in the mid-term and missed some homeworks, so I was on the borderline.
20100614 21:58:27< Aethaeryn> :P
20100614 21:58:36< Elvish_Pillager> You seem to care about knowing that stuff (I mean that as a good thing)
20100614 21:58:52< Aethaeryn> It's not that I care about knowing this stuff...
20100614 21:59:01< Aethaeryn> It's that my mind works this way.
20100614 21:59:13< Aethaeryn> If there's a fact, and I find it interesting at the time, I will be able to recall it later in similar situations.
20100614 21:59:21< Elvish_Pillager> well, I think of "caring" as describing the way one's mind works.
20100614 21:59:22< Aethaeryn> In a sense, my brain is wired for trivia
20100614 21:59:25< Elvish_Pillager> So.
20100614 22:00:17< Aethaeryn> Not like it's a choice, if it was wired for music I'd be a musician and if it was wired for chess I'd be a chess grandmaster and if it was wired for engineering I'd be an engineer (probably architectural engineer since I grew up on Legos)
20100614 22:00:47< Aethaeryn> It just happens to be that I can chat in rooms with facts too-obscure-for-Wikipedia talking about things without looking them up in an era where anyone could just do what I did with Google ;)
20100614 22:01:00< Elvish_Pillager> You should add them to wikipedia? :p
20100614 22:01:17< Aethaeryn> No original research.
20100614 22:01:21< Aethaeryn> And I'm not sure I can cite my lecture notes.
20100614 22:01:26< Elvish_Pillager> It's not original research if you learned it in a class
20100614 22:01:29< Aethaeryn> Maybe if I uploaded them to a real legit-looking blog...
20100614 22:01:32< Elvish_Pillager> heh.
20100614 22:01:42< Aethaeryn> Actually, I heard scholars hate Wikipedia.
20100614 22:01:52< Elvish_Pillager> [citation needed]
20100614 22:02:13< Aethaeryn> Their field of expertise is something they are doing original research in, and if they cite their own scholarly papers, it's suddenly self-promoting.
20100614 22:02:22< Aethaeryn> So any random amateur bureaucrat can use a list of rules to keep them out
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20100614 22:26:56< Valkier> What does it mean when it says you have to be identified with services to join a channel?
20100614 22:45:30< Aethaeryn> You need to register
20100614 22:45:33< Aethaeryn>  /msg nickserv register
20100614 22:45:40< Aethaeryn> basically links your name to an email
20100614 22:45:45< Aethaeryn> so that they can tell you're not a spambot
20100614 22:45:48< Aethaeryn> big channels often do that
20100614 22:46:37< Valkier> ahh
20100614 22:46:54< Valkier> So I do /msg nickerserv register <password> <email>?
20100614 22:47:04< Aethaeryn> I suppose so
20100614 22:47:15< Aethaeryn> I just usually /msg nickserv foo and get the error message that tells me how to correct the syntax
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