--- Log opened Thu Jun 24 00:00:18 2010
20100624 00:02:43< Valkier> Gambit: Lets move to the country when we get married.
20100624 00:03:01< Gambit> imediated wtf response
20100624 00:07:49< Valkier> Don't deny our love.
20100624 00:08:05< Valkier> You're the Ashe Ketchem to my Gary Oaks.
20100624 00:09:20< Gambit> I refuse to recognize Pokemon references.
20100624 00:10:03< Valkier> You're the long haired phiosophy major to me Starbucks.
20100624 00:10:20< Valkier> my*
20100624 00:10:29< Valkier> Come in to me, Gambit.
20100624 00:10:31< Gambit> Nah you're irish.
20100624 00:10:38< Valkier> :-(
20100624 00:10:43< Gambit> I refuse to recognize Battlestar Galactica (?) references.
20100624 00:11:15< Gambit> Or did ye be meanin the coffee shop?
20100624 00:11:33< Valkier> The coffee shop. You twit.
20100624 00:12:08< Gambit> I refuse to recognize references containing cafenated beverages.
20100624 00:12:56 * Gambit is quite picky when it comes to (hopefully joking) marriage proposals
20100624 00:13:14< Gambit> Why am I even still here? I'm supposed to be away.
20100624 00:13:16< Valkier> This is completely serious.
20100624 00:13:21< Valkier> All of it.
20100624 00:13:27 * Gambit deploys funny video to distract.
20100624 00:13:30< Valkier> Why would you ever think it's not serious?
20100624 00:14:04< Gambit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Uf9rsBbhc
20100624 00:15:46< Gambit> and for good measure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlYJGocvGdo
20100624 00:16:47< Gambit> Valkier: How many hot dogs do you eat a day?
20100624 00:20:04< Gambit> Brand new season of WKUK started this month <3
20100624 00:43:52< Gambit> Well looks like that worked on him.
20100624 00:50:36< Valkier> I went to go buy hotdog buns.
20100624 00:55:15< Valkier> WKUK sucks by the way.
20100624 00:55:29< Valkier> I've never laughed at any of their sketches.
20100624 00:56:02< Gambit> lies
20100624 00:59:35< Gambit> Valkier: Tim Minchin then?
20100624 01:00:47< Gambit> Valkier: http://www.youtube.com/user/Cybertech44#p/u/16/s9sP1btjqMQ give WKUK another shot
20100624 01:00:51< Gambit> this is their best season yet
20100624 01:00:57< Gambit> those other two were old
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20100624 02:35:14< Espreon> Gambit: Your grammar sucks...
20100624 02:35:38< Gambit> ?
20100624 02:35:42< Gambit> wrong channel?
20100624 02:38:12< Espreon> No, you used "ye" to address one person... so... yeahz...
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20100624 03:13:30< Espreon> AI0867: http://imagebin.org/102534 ... Isn't it beautiful?
20100624 04:01:15< Gambit> Espreon: not ye [yee]. ye [yeh]
20100624 04:03:12< Espreon> Well, take your informalities elsewhere.
20100624 04:04:02< Valkier> Ye both are bothern meh!
20100624 04:04:51 * Espreon is bored...
20100624 04:09:16< Espreon> Maybe I'll just play "Ōkami" after I finish converting more apostrophes.
20100624 04:09:52-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: AI0867
20100624 04:10:30< Espreon> Awwww...
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20100624 04:21:51 * Espreon will be back soon...
20100624 04:21:54 * Espreon disappeas...
20100624 04:21:57< Espreon> *disappears
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20100624 05:57:11<+CIA-33> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r7363 /trunk/After_the_Storm/maps/ (5 files): AtS: more map updates (4, 6-8)
20100624 06:21:21<+CIA-33> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r7364 /trunk/After_the_Storm/maps/ (03_Civil_War.map 08_Fear.map): AtS: more map updates (3, 8)
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20100624 06:29:32< Espreon> shadowmaster: This sucks, I'm unable to map now...
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20100624 07:03:58< Espreon> Hello Mythological.
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20100624 07:49:19< Mythological> hello Espreon
20100624 07:50:56 * Espreon wishes that he were motivated to map...
20100624 07:52:08< shadowmaster> esr's got an army of PC-worshippers commenting on his last blog post.
20100624 07:52:18< shadowmaster> I personally can't live without a laptop anymore.
20100624 07:52:28< Espreon> I see...
20100624 07:52:36< shadowmaster> Espreon: no, you don't.
20100624 07:52:48< shadowmaster> I hate canned responses, you know?
20100624 07:53:18< Espreon> No, I do not know.
20100624 07:53:28< shadowmaster> but now you know.
20100624 07:53:36 * Espreon has eliminated radeonhd from his system
20100624 07:53:54< Espreon> Yayz...
20100624 07:54:04< shadowmaster> as if it was going to bite your ass in the night.
20100624 07:54:33< Espreon> Yeahz.....
20100624 07:54:54< shadowmaster> you know, I wonder why the Linux kernel devs haven't released revisions of the last stable versions lately.
20100624 07:55:05< shadowmaster> I'd have expected to see 2.6.33.6 and 2.6.34.1 by now
20100624 07:56:48< shadowmaster> s/have//
20100624 07:56:58< Espreon> Things to do before mapping scenario three: import vampire portraits, import blood terrain and scenery, redo vampire descriptions and other miscellaneous crap; redo parts of the vampire transformation system.
20100624 07:57:55< shadowmaster> have I mentioned I hate vampires?
20100624 07:58:00< Espreon> I was planning on having little children being sacrificed in scenario three...
20100624 07:58:08< shadowmaster> dunno why, I just hate them.
20100624 07:58:58< Espreon> shadowmaster: You mean real vampires or sparkle monsters?
20100624 07:59:03< shadowmaster> where's JW when I need a random user complaining back at me about discrimination? :D
20100624 07:59:20< shadowmaster> Espreon: vampires in general. Anything that sucks blood.
20100624 07:59:51< shadowmaster> Twilight is just the icing in the cake.
20100624 07:59:54< shadowmaster> It came out[B[B[B[B*on
20100624 07:59:56< shadowmaster> *on
20100624 08:00:15< shadowmaster> It came out after my hatred of vampires had already developed
20100624 08:00:19< Espreon> The vampires in "Twilight" aren't vampires; they're sparkle monsters.
20100624 08:00:33< Espreon> Sparkle monsters I tell ye!
20100624 08:00:34< shadowmaster> they suck blood too, don't they?
20100624 08:00:45< Espreon> Well, I heard that they diet.
20100624 08:00:58< shadowmaster> anyway, I don't care much about it. I have read enough about it in TVTropes to know I don't wanna be near a Twilight fan.
20100624 08:01:16< shadowmaster> (sorry, Twilight fans in this channel) ;(
20100624 08:01:24< Espreon> "Twilight" fanatics are monsters.
20100624 08:01:32< shadowmaster> (hm, hopefully there are really no ne of them here)
20100624 08:01:43< shadowmaster> *none
20100624 08:02:11< Espreon> shadowmaster: Out of curiosity, why do you hate vampires?
20100624 08:03:23< shadowmaster> BECAUSE.
20100624 08:03:54< Espreon> Uh, I want a real answer.
20100624 08:04:00< shadowmaster> BECAUSE.
20100624 08:04:06< shadowmaster> Need I repeat myself?
20100624 08:04:22< shadowmaster> that's my real answer, believe it or not.
20100624 08:04:26< shadowmaster> take it or leave it.
20100624 08:04:43< Espreon> An answer that's real to me.
20100624 08:04:55< shadowmaster> I can't do that.
20100624 08:04:56< shadowmaster> I'm not going to lie to you.
20100624 08:05:08< Espreon> Sure...
20100624 08:05:11< shadowmaster> the only vampire I can defintely stand is Count Duckula.
20100624 08:05:28 * Espreon wishes that r500 would get goodies...
20100624 08:07:02< Espreon> Now, if only pofix would move it, for I wish to restart X.
20100624 08:13:05< Espreon> Hmmm, I recall that there were child sprites...
20100624 08:14:49< Espreon> Yes, I would show children being bitten and turned.
20100624 08:16:40< shadowmaster> meh.
20100624 08:16:58< shadowmaster> I can't remember where in TVTropes was this very good example of why Twilight fans are scary.
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20100624 08:26:47< shadowmaster> ...youtube has a button to hear the sound of a thousand vuvuzelas in the background now?
20100624 08:27:16< shadowmaster> damn you, South Africa soccer fans, damn you. And damn you world cup.
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20100624 10:09:35< Espreon> Hmmm... should I regularly run Compiz?
20100624 10:11:07< Espreon> Hmmm... Compiz++'s probably not going to be that great for me.
20100624 10:11:40< Espreon> (It uses some KWin code, and I couldn't get it to work [as of two... three weeks ago])
20100624 10:19:37< Espreon> Yeah, I'll probably use Compiz regularly.
20100624 10:22:17< Espreon> Yeah, having this back is nice.
20100624 10:28:22<+CIA-33> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7365 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/images/scenery/ (blood-1.png blood-2.png blood-3.png): TSL: imported the blood scenery images from AtS.
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20100624 19:21:32< shadowmaster> Espreon: latest mesa still feels slower to you?
20100624 19:21:42< shadowmaster> just asking to know if I should avoid recompiling it for now
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20100624 19:36:23< timotei> shadowmaster: hey
20100624 19:36:29< timotei> shadowmaster: you use firefox or chrome?
20100624 19:37:25< shadowmaster> depends
20100624 19:37:34< shadowmaster> for regular usage I use Firefox. For testing stuff I use both.
20100624 19:37:44< shadowmaster> for testing stuff I use many different browsers, actually.
20100624 19:37:51< timotei> shadowmaster: for regular usage.
20100624 19:38:00< timotei> does it look ugly for you?
20100624 19:38:09< shadowmaster> Firefox (Iceweasel 3.5.6)
20100624 19:38:17< shadowmaster> define "ugly"
20100624 19:38:17< timotei> I mean, when using firefox in windows, it looks very nice and cute, but in linux is "screwed up"
20100624 19:38:21< timotei> well
20100624 19:38:28< timotei> brb capturing to see the difference ok?
20100624 19:38:45< shadowmaster> screenshot? okay
20100624 19:39:52< timotei> brb entering windows :X
20100624 19:39:54< timotei> :-S
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20100624 19:40:16< shadowmaster> ...he could have just given me the linux screenshot.
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20100624 19:52:14< timotei> shadowmaster: check this out: http://i49.tinypic.com/2v1n800.png
20100624 19:52:59< timotei> 1st:win, 2nd: linux
20100624 19:53:57< shadowmaster> I fail to see what's wrong.
20100624 19:55:41< timotei> well, the first one is nicer
20100624 19:55:46< timotei> smoother borders
20100624 19:55:52< timotei> and smaller space between bookmark icons
20100624 19:56:50< shadowmaster> you can't really expect window metrics to be exactly the same for different window systems, widget sets and configurations :|
20100624 19:57:08< timotei> shadowmaster: well, of course not...
20100624 19:57:28< timotei> but don't know what to say. I tried changing things in KDE's settings
20100624 20:04:19< Gambit> KDE is hot, but it's no Vista.
20100624 20:05:07< Gambit> Note, though, that "is hot" could be replaced with "uses a lot of juice" and it would still be true.
20100624 20:05:10< timotei> Gambit: mine windows neither :D
20100624 20:06:02< shadowmaster> for using a lot of juice...CPU usage here goes like this
20100624 20:06:22< timotei> well, me don't need that juice.
20100624 20:06:27< Gambit> Though honestly I found Kubuntu to be much faster than Xubuntu or Ubuntu...
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20100624 20:06:34< timotei> I just need the freaking space smaller between bookmark icons :D
20100624 20:06:36< shadowmaster> 2% X, 1% terminator, 1% wvdial, 1% Iceweasel/Firefox, 0% everything else
20100624 20:06:37< timotei> there is too much
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20100624 20:08:06< Gambit> Unacthebtable.
20100624 20:08:18< shadowmaster> the top three memory users are Firefox (190 MB physical of 1,291 MB VM), X.org (140 MB physical of 847 MB VM) and KMail (74 MB physical of 615 MB VM)
20100624 20:08:29< Gambit> Darn PK was in here, I had something to tell him :\
20100624 20:08:48< shadowmaster> it'd probably help if I cleared Firefox's history from time to time
20100624 20:08:53< Gambit> Nah
20100624 20:09:05< Gambit> 20gb cache for the win!
20100624 20:09:17< shadowmaster> it's large enough to cause great lag when filtering history or writing on the address bar
20100624 20:09:21< shadowmaster> history, not cache.
20100624 20:09:46< shadowmaster> the cache resets whenever Firefox crashes or gets otherwise shut down unexpectedly
20100624 20:10:03< shadowmaster> and now that I don't have connectivity issues I don't back it up or restore it
20100624 20:32:05< Espreon> shadowmaster: Nah, it feels fine now.
20100624 20:34:15< shadowmaster> macro/file 'TRANSITION_BASE' is missing at ~add-ons/Invasion_from_the_Unknown//terrain-graphics/_final.cfg:16 included from ~add-ons/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/editor-loader.cfg:17 included from ~add-ons/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/_main.cfg:120 included from ~add-ons/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/editor-loader.cfg:33 included from ~add-ons/Invasion_from_the_Unknown/_main.cfg:120
20100624 20:37:26< Espreon> Hooray, new Chromium and Gimp versions.
20100624 20:38:59< shadowmaster> wtf is the difference between Google Chrome and Chromium?
20100624 20:39:05< shadowmaster> Because I have "Google Chrome" installed...
20100624 20:39:59< timotei> I know Google Chrome is based on Chromium
20100624 20:40:15< shadowmaster> I know that too.
20100624 20:41:15< Espreon> shadowmaster: I believe that it is just Google Chrome minus the trademarked branding and stuff.
20100624 20:41:44< shadowmaster> I got a better answer from the guys at the social channel.
20100624 20:42:09< Espreon> Good for you.
20100624 20:42:20< shadowmaster> 14:40:54 <+Tucos> chromium is the foss part
20100624 20:42:20< shadowmaster> 14:41:01 <+Brownout> chrome is the google branded browser, chromoim is the open source behind it
20100624 20:42:23< shadowmaster> 14:41:03 <+Tucos> so chrome without google
20100624 20:42:49< shadowmaster> 14:41:27 <+shadowmaster> so...they aren't functionally the same?
20100624 20:42:50< shadowmaster> 14:41:47 <+Tucos> they are, except for the google tracking stuff etc. (basically just the "evil" stuff)
20100624 20:43:27< Espreon> Hmmm, I thought that Chromium still had the evil stuff.
20100624 20:49:55< timotei> Espreon: how can it have since it's open source?:D
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20100624 20:50:48 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100624 20:51:05< shadowmaster> I removed a few seemingly redundant rules from my .fonts.conf
20100624 20:51:06< timotei> did I said anything stupid?
20100624 20:51:23< Espreon> I could write the most evil thing and open source it; it would still be evil as Hell.
20100624 20:51:34< shadowmaster> look at the crap I got in exchange : http://shadowm.rewound.net/font9.png
20100624 20:51:52< timotei> shadowmaster:  :))
20100624 20:51:56< timotei> shadowmaster: nice one :D
20100624 20:52:10< shadowmaster> it looks horrible
20100624 20:52:25< shadowmaster> and only affects Gtk2 applications for whatever reason.
20100624 20:52:32< shadowmaster> and only after restarting X.org.
20100624 20:52:33< Espreon> Lovely...
20100624 20:52:48< shadowmaster> Gtk2 applications except Firefx's main window.
20100624 20:52:52< shadowmaster> *main window*
20100624 20:53:12< shadowmaster> the file dialogs are still messed up as if I had selected no font hinting
20100624 20:53:16 * Espreon wishes that Qt's Shavian support didn't suck
20100624 20:53:29< shadowmaster> I don't understand how this happened.
20100624 20:53:39 * Espreon also wishes that this stupid wors suggestion feature in GTK would die
20100624 20:53:43< Espreon> *word
20100624 20:54:03< shadowmaster> in other words, whoever maintains fontconfig's XML files must have fun whenever they need to change a rule
20100624 20:54:11< shadowmaster> (not)
20100624 20:55:21< shadowmaster> (note: the rectangular glyphs that say "0002" in the screenshot are normal and intended)
20100624 20:56:18< shadowmaster> (they are IRC color codes, to be exact, namely ASCII 0x02 (bold))
20100624 21:01:23< Espreon> Well, there's a chance that I won't have to water my bamboo...
20100624 21:02:03< shadowmaster> wtf are you talking about?
20100624 21:03:19< timotei> you have a bamboo?:D
20100624 21:03:34< Espreon> Uh, yes, I have bamboo.
20100624 21:03:41< Espreon> ... four bamboo plants.
20100624 21:03:43< timotei> that's nice
20100624 21:03:52< timotei> any panda bear too?
20100624 21:03:53< Espreon> shadowmaster: A storm's rollin' in... and yeahz...
20100624 21:03:57< Espreon> timotei: Uh... no...
20100624 21:04:04< Espreon> This is Pennsylvania, not China.
20100624 21:04:04< shadowmaster> who cares about your plants
20100624 21:04:06< timotei> it would be cute to have
20100624 21:04:06< shadowmaster> :P
20100624 21:04:19< timotei> you would do a lot good
20100624 21:04:29< timotei> go get one baby, rise it up, and send it back :D
20100624 21:04:44< timotei> his mother would be very happy
20100624 21:04:54< timotei> I know panda bear baby have very low chance of live
20100624 21:05:03< Espreon> shadowmaster: It's bamboo! Do you have any ******* bamboo‽ NO! Stop being envious...
20100624 21:05:43< shadowmaster> why would I want bamboo?
20100624 21:06:02< Espreon> Because it's awesome?
20100624 21:06:13< shadowmaster> and why would I be envious of such a thing?
20100624 21:06:37< Espreon> Because it's awesome?
20100624 21:06:43< Espreon> ... and people want awesome things?
20100624 21:06:58< timotei> Espreon: +1 from me for the bamboo :)
20100624 21:07:07< Espreon> Why thank you.
20100624 21:07:32< shadowmaster> I fail to see its awesomeness.
20100624 21:07:45< shadowmaster> even a dog does more tricks than that.
20100624 21:08:44< Espreon> Uh, you can have it grow through people?
20100624 21:08:44< timotei> :))
20100624 21:08:55< Espreon> The Chinese do/used to do it...
20100624 21:09:12< shadowmaster> I'm not interested.
20100624 21:09:55< Espreon> Yeah, yeah, whatever.
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20100624 21:35:12< fendrin> shadowmaster: Bamboo is a plant with awesome features. You can build bridges that are as stable as steel constructs with it for example. And it grows very fast.
20100624 21:36:02< shadowmaster> I have an idea!
20100624 21:36:21< shadowmaster> A faction that uses armor and shields made from bamboo wood!
20100624 21:36:40< shadowmaster> and ride ninja pandas
20100624 21:36:57< shadowmaster> no wait
20100624 21:36:57< fendrin> :-)
20100624 21:37:10< shadowmaster> a faction composed of ninja pandas with armor and shields made from bamboo wood!
20100624 21:37:49< shadowmaster> Espreon: what do you think?
20100624 21:41:04< Espreon> Will there be a kusarigama wielder?
20100624 21:41:57< shadowmaster> sure
20100624 21:42:04< Espreon> Awesome!
20100624 21:42:31< timotei> :))
20100624 21:42:36< timotei> fendrin: for real?
20100624 21:42:41< timotei> fendrin: never known that :D
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20100624 22:45:18< shadowmaster> ...restoring those fontconfig rules didn't help.
20100624 22:45:26< shadowmaster> What the hell, Gtk2?
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20100624 22:46:52< Espreon> Exactly.
20100624 22:50:13< shadowmaster> the thing I can't understand
20100624 22:50:44< shadowmaster> is why every fucking framework wants to do its own font rendering/configuration
20100624 22:50:52< shadowmaster> it makes no sense.
20100624 22:52:45< Espreon> Agreed.
20100624 23:13:00< Espreon> shadowmaster: Would you like another mushroom unit?
20100624 23:13:26< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=267792#p267792
20100624 23:13:30< shadowmaster> I don't need them-.
20100624 23:14:40< Espreon> All right.
20100624 23:24:54< shadowmaster> I'm going to compile 2.6.34 again
20100624 23:25:08< shadowmaster> but I'll not mark KMS as the default mode of operation.
20100624 23:25:22< Espreon> Have fun.
20100624 23:25:27< shadowmaster> I'm interested in figuring out wtf is wrong with Tux On Ice.
20100624 23:25:31< Espreon> Oh?
20100624 23:25:34< shadowmaster> and the ever increasing hibernation image.
20100624 23:25:57< shadowmaster> remember that I've been complaining that the hibernation image's size is directly proportional to UPTIME rather than RAM usage
20100624 23:26:25< shadowmaster> this wasn't the case in 2.6.32 with TOI 2.something
20100624 23:26:35< Espreon> Ah, that.
20100624 23:26:42< shadowmaster> er, TOI 3.0.something
20100624 23:27:04< shadowmaster> I'm not pleased with having to reboot every 3 days
20100624 23:27:57<+CIA-33> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7366 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/ (11 files in 3 dirs): TSL: imported Peasant Child from ToaM.
20100624 23:52:40<+CIA-33> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7367 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/units/humans/Peasant_Child.cfg: TSL: tweaked the Peasant Child animations; 'small knife' -> 'knife'.
20100624 23:53:43<+CIA-33> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7368 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/units/humans/Peasant_Child.cfg: TSL: fixed a broken image path.
20100624 23:57:24< Espreon> shadowmaster: Isn't "-tw" supposed to be equivalent to "-t -w"?
20100624 23:57:40< shadowmaster> patching a kernel takes really long
20100624 23:57:46< shadowmaster> Espreon: depends. what application?
20100624 23:58:00< Espreon> IDK, I thought that there was a standard or something.
20100624 23:58:07< Espreon> ... in Wesnoth, they aren't equivalent.
20100624 23:58:14< shadowmaster> for applications that use glibc's getopt, there is a standard
20100624 23:58:19< shadowmaster> Wesnoth does not use getopt or anything similar.
20100624 23:58:28< shadowmaster> and no, it can't be fixed yet.
20100624 23:58:47< Espreon> Ah, I see.
20100624 23:59:01< shadowmaster> wesnoth does its own parsing of the command line
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