--- Log opened Fri Jun 25 00:00:24 2010
20100625 00:20:50< Espreon> Hmmm... I'll probably invoke "OM NOM NOM NOM NOM" in TSL.
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20100625 00:50:42< Espreon> If only switching back to KWin didn't throw me out of X.
20100625 00:52:30< Espreon> Let's see: KWin with compositing enabled is slow as hell (and won't even let me enable composting anymore), it's a hassle to switch from Compiz to KWin; Compiz++ doesn't even work for me (last time I tried it at least) and uses code from KWin (so, it may be a lot slower)...
20100625 00:52:36< Espreon> This sucks...
20100625 00:56:04< Gambit> shadowmaster: this made me think of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jdQqjcsfC8
20100625 00:56:07< Gambit> not sure why
20100625 00:56:11< Gambit> (it's not WKUK either!)
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20100625 00:58:54< shadowmaster> Gambit: "This video is not available."
20100625 00:59:01< Gambit> Yeah Pete just told me :(
20100625 00:59:06< Gambit> Stupid youtube blocking Chile.
20100625 00:59:28< Gambit> *stupid american companys making youtube block non-americans (?)
20100625 00:59:33< Gambit> *companies
20100625 00:59:40< shadowmaster> yeah, that's common.
20100625 00:59:59< shadowmaster> also commonly mentioned in TVTropes, since some pages link to youtube videos that happen to be restricted.
20100625 01:00:01< Espreon> Chilean proxy anyone?
20100625 01:00:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: Remember the scene where Vader chokes that imperial commander general dude?
20100625 01:00:16< Gambit> *admiral?
20100625 01:00:18< shadowmaster> Gambit: yes
20100625 01:00:29< Gambit> Well in the video it's "deathstar orientation day"
20100625 01:00:33< Espreon> Wait.
20100625 01:00:50< Espreon> Oh, then one would want an American proxy.
20100625 01:00:56 * Espreon misread the case
20100625 01:01:13< shadowmaster> Espreon: indeed.
20100625 01:01:14< Gambit> And that guy says to the new officers "There are a few things you need to know about Lord Vader. First and foremost he thinks he has the power to strangle us with the force. He doesn't. But if he ever realized this, he would kill us with his lightsaber."
20100625 01:01:43< shadowmaster> Espreon: and because it's possible to get one, I think it's fucking ratarded to block videos in other countries.
20100625 01:01:50< Espreon> Indeed.
20100625 01:01:54< Gambit> And he goes on to demonstrate how they pretend to get strangled when Vader does the thing with his hand, then someone comes and collects the "corpse", then they redress themselves and show up again as someone on the deathstar.
20100625 01:02:04< Gambit> "Seargant Perkins over there has been strangled to death over 30 times!"
20100625 01:02:07< shadowmaster> you could just pay to get a cheap VPS on the U.S.
20100625 01:02:24< Espreon> shadowmaster: But, of course, we shouldn't tell PetePorty.
20100625 01:02:39< shadowmaster> that kid can't pay for his ass :|
20100625 01:02:50< shadowmaster> he can't pay for a VPS either.
20100625 01:02:58< Gambit> hahaha
20100625 01:03:40< Espreon> Well, I meant about the fact that he can just use an American proxy.
20100625 01:04:00< shadowmaster> well, I remember I wondered how he could force-choke people through a video TRANSMISSION the first time I watched that movie.
20100625 01:04:23< Gambit> Now you know. :D
20100625 01:04:34< Gambit> Wait... it's all fiction...
20100625 01:04:56 * Gambit got horribly confused for a second there.
20100625 01:05:00< shadowmaster> because, you know, if he could really do that then he could have eliminated the rebels much sooner.
20100625 01:05:17< Gambit> "Hey Padme. It's dad -force choke-"
20100625 01:05:32< shadowmaster> you mean Leia.
20100625 01:05:51< shadowmaster> we have a trope.
20100625 01:05:54< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JustEatGilligan
20100625 01:05:54< Gambit> oh yeah
20100625 01:05:55< Gambit> :\
20100625 01:07:08< shadowmaster> and he should've detected Obi Wan it Tatooine before.
20100625 01:07:08< Gambit> Espreon: Have you seriously starred in an "adult film". Where is Pete pulling that from?
20100625 01:07:17< shadowmaster> and gone to kill him.
20100625 01:07:23< Gambit> Obi-Wan was hiding in the force.
20100625 01:07:31< Espreon> shadowmaster: Uh, he clamed that I watch adult movies...
20100625 01:07:31< Gambit> An ability not invented (canonically) for another 30 years.
20100625 01:07:38< Espreon> *Gambit
20100625 01:07:38< Gambit> And yet sith 3000 years in the past had it.
20100625 01:07:39< Espreon> AAAH!
20100625 01:07:40< Gambit> Strange...
20100625 01:07:57< Espreon> Gambit: Anyway, IDK whence he got the idea that I starred in then.
20100625 01:08:01< Espreon> *them
20100625 01:08:06< shadowmaster> tehn again, Darth Sidious was also hiding.
20100625 01:08:13< shadowmaster> in the Senate, no less.
20100625 01:08:27< Gambit> no that's different.
20100625 01:08:32< Gambit> He was so evil that they just could focus.
20100625 01:08:48< shadowmaster> they could focus?
20100625 01:08:55< shadowmaster> or couldn't focus?
20100625 01:09:29< Gambit> couldn't
20100625 01:09:40< Gambit> It's like trying to find a piece of hay in a hay stack.
20100625 01:09:45< Gambit> Or something like that.
20100625 01:09:50< shadowmaster> right.
20100625 01:09:55< Gambit> WAIT HOLD THE PHONE STOP THE PRESSES
20100625 01:09:59< Gambit> There's a doctor who quote
20100625 01:10:02< Espreon> Gambit: Where/when did he say that?
20100625 01:10:35< Gambit> A needle that looks like hay. A haylike needle of death. A haylike needle of death in a haystack of... statues.
20100625 01:10:59< Gambit> [19:04:47] <PeterPorty> watching Espreon's adult videos
20100625 01:11:06< Espreon> Where?
20100625 01:11:13< Gambit> #wesnothxp
20100625 01:11:27< Gambit> Bye for supper.
20100625 01:11:31< Espreon> Goodbye.
20100625 01:20:26< Gambit> aaand we're back.
20100625 01:20:57< Espreon> Yayz...
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20100625 01:34:09< Espreon> Meh, screw this...
20100625 01:34:26 * Espreon is too lazy to get a golden ant all the way from the forest to Mortimer.
20100625 01:34:38< Espreon> ... yes, I know that I could have done this earlier.
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20100625 01:37:18< Gambit> How do you get into the editor?
20100625 01:37:22< Gambit> The game bores me.
20100625 01:37:27< Gambit> I want to tinker with it.
20100625 01:37:36< Gambit> It needs terraforming and construction!
20100625 01:37:41< Gambit> (joke)
20100625 01:37:48< Espreon> Ctrl + e.
20100625 01:37:53< Gambit> Thank you.
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20100625 01:40:51< Gambit> How to playtest?
20100625 01:40:59< Espreon> Escape.
20100625 01:43:11< Gambit> so... intuitive...
20100625 01:43:13< Gambit> o_O
20100625 01:43:53< Gambit> How is this even possible...
20100625 01:44:10< Gambit> I'm switching religions.
20100625 01:44:14< Gambit> church of sirp...
20100625 01:44:28< shadowmaster> that's why I praised it in my blog post
20100625 01:45:35< Gambit> Which is the only reason I knew there was an editor.
20100625 01:45:41< Gambit> And the only reason I downloaded it actually.
20100625 01:46:02< shadowmaster> I'd say Sirp learned a lot in regards to game engine design after his experiences with Wesnoth and Silvertree
20100625 01:46:27< shadowmaster> his efficiency in bugfixing and optimizations is unmatched 
20100625 01:46:51< shadowmaster> (mainly because nobody's attempted to write a regular expression for that)
20100625 01:47:01< Gambit> ha
20100625 01:47:27< Gambit> omg enemies flash red when they're stuck inside terrain <3
20100625 01:47:49< Gambit> ABND YOU CAN HOVER TO SEE THEIR BEHAVIOUR
20100625 01:48:20< Espreon> ...
20100625 01:49:32< shadowmaster> > Memory: 3792168k/5242880k available (3254k kernel code, 1312932k absent, 136828k reserved, 1598k data, 420k init)
20100625 01:49:46< shadowmaster> I wonder exactly what the "absent" and "reserved" sections stand for
20100625 01:49:58< shadowmaster> I suppose the reserved section might be used for an early allocation pool
20100625 01:50:44< shadowmaster> also, 5120 MB? I guess that's the max addressable memory from the motherboard
20100625 01:51:20< shadowmaster> ah wait.
20100625 01:52:04< shadowmaster> the absent section seems to be the difference of 5242880k with...something similar to the available RAM
20100625 01:52:26< shadowmaster> so 137 MB reserved. hmmm
20100625 01:52:41< shadowmaster> 3796704 KB reported by userland.
20100625 01:53:14< shadowmaster> okay, the reserved section could actually be the initramfs image
20100625 01:53:46< shadowmaster> no, wait. 136 MB is too much. Or is it?
20100625 01:54:12< shadowmaster> the uncompressed initramfs image is 6.6 MB
20100625 01:54:22< shadowmaster> yeah, that can't be just the initramfs
20100625 01:55:29< shadowmaster> this kernel is not relocatable so the reserved area shouldn't have relocation info
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20100625 02:07:54< Espreon> Good, I finally got the golden ant to Mortimer.
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20100625 02:28:10< shadowmaster> I'm going to assume that my laptop doesn't have this silly ATI PowerXpress feature
20100625 02:28:17< shadowmaster> but I'll enable kernel support for it anyway
20100625 02:28:29< shadowmaster> and see what happens
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20100625 02:29:49< shadowmaster> compiling nw
20100625 02:30:04< shadowmaster> 4 processes
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20100625 02:36:32< shadowmaster> I CAN'T FIND ANY PLACE WHERE HINTSTYLE ISN'T SET TO HINTFULL!!!
20100625 02:36:54< shadowmaster> at least, not any place used by fontconfig
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20100625 02:36:58< shadowmaster> next step, grepping around in some of my config dirs.
20100625 02:37:53< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~$ fgrep -RIi 'hintstyle' .config/
20100625 02:37:53< shadowmaster> fgrep: .config/gxine/socket: No such device or address
20100625 02:37:53< shadowmaster> fgrep: .config/google-chrome/SingletonSocket: No such device or address
20100625 02:37:53< shadowmaster> .config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb:Xft.hintstyle: hintfull
20100625 02:37:53< shadowmaster> .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml:    <property name="HintStyle" type="string" value="hintfull"/>
20100625 02:38:21< shadowmaster> also hintfull
20100625 02:38:46< shadowmaster> I'm running out of clues
20100625 02:39:21< shadowmaster> you know what
20100625 02:39:29< shadowmaster> I'll destroy fontconfig's cache
20100625 02:39:34< shadowmaster> that must be it.
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20100625 03:14:09< shadowmaster> Running on 2.6.34 now.
20100625 03:14:17< shadowmaster> No anomalies found with UMS so far.
20100625 03:14:28< shadowmaster> S3 and hibernation work.
20100625 03:14:47< shadowmaster> I solved the font problems by wiping out the fontconfig cache
20100625 03:15:52< shadowmaster> naturally, OpenGL clients still cause great flickering with a compositing window manager under UMS operation.
20100625 03:16:04< Espreon> Now to play "Find out What's Consuming My Resources (or at Least What Could Be)"
20100625 03:16:06< shadowmaster> so they have really decided to not add more features to the UMS driver.
20100625 03:16:10< shadowmaster> those bastards.
20100625 03:16:17< Espreon> Sigh...
20100625 03:18:42< Espreon> AI0867: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=437518#p437518 ... :(
20100625 03:19:01< shadowmaster> now I'll wait and see whether hibernation images still become unbearably huge after certain uptime.
20100625 03:19:08< shadowmaster> I give it two days.
20100625 03:20:32< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=437624#p437624
20100625 03:20:47< shadowmaster> I'm starting to believe that IPS isn't only bad at English.
20100625 03:20:59< shadowmaster> maybe he's dyslexic too.
20100625 03:21:38< shadowmaster> so maybe I should feel bad for poking fun at him.
20100625 03:21:50< shadowmaster> Espreon: what do you think?
20100625 03:21:58< Espreon> IDK, why don't you find out?
20100625 03:22:07< shadowmaster> how?
20100625 03:22:11< Espreon> IDK.
20100625 03:22:21< Espreon> Now to remove WEP from my network.
20100625 03:22:27< shadowmaster> can you even spell "I don't know" anymore? :|
20100625 03:22:57< Espreon> Yes, I can.
20100625 03:23:10< shadowmaster> anyway, I don't think I'll try to stress-test this thing this time.
20100625 03:23:27< shadowmaster> I don't dare.
20100625 03:23:35< shadowmaster> it's scary.
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20100625 03:24:18< Espreon> Hello Aethaeryn.
20100625 03:24:43< Aethaeryn> damn that was a hard test.
20100625 03:24:50< Aethaeryn> Then again, I said the same thing about the quiz I got a 51/50 on
20100625 03:24:55< Aethaeryn> so I don't know how I did.
20100625 03:26:04< shadowmaster> damn
20100625 03:26:35< shadowmaster> this thing is really tempting me to reload drm/radeon in KMS mode.
20100625 03:27:07< shadowmaster> but frogatto's performance suffers from it
20100625 03:27:15< shadowmaster> s/from/with/
20100625 03:27:53< Espreon> shadowmaster: Resist þe temptation, for KMS beeþ evil... now at least!
20100625 03:28:33< shadowmaster> well, of course I can't expect tht bug to be magically fixed.
20100625 03:28:49< shadowmaster> so until I hear news of 2.6.34.1...
20100625 03:29:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: Is it possible to make a perl script start with windows and not display its console?
20100625 03:29:53< shadowmaster> no idea
20100625 03:30:07< Gambit> About either part?
20100625 03:30:25< shadowmaster> I mean, whether the console can be hidden or not would depend on the Perl interpreter itself
20100625 03:30:38< shadowmaster> I know how to kill console windows in the Win32 API but I have no idea how to do it in Perl
20100625 03:30:42< shadowmaster> I only know the C recipe
20100625 03:31:35< shadowmaster> Gambit: wait, what's the first pasrt?
20100625 03:31:50< Gambit> 1. Start a script with the os
20100625 03:31:53< Gambit> 2. Hide the console
20100625 03:32:05< shadowmaster> perl path\to\foo.pl
20100625 03:33:13< shadowmaster> you can create a file association in windows explorer for .pl files if Perl doesn't do it by itself. I've never installed a Perl environment on Windows.
20100625 03:33:44< shadowmaster> my answer above regarding the console still applies to #2
20100625 03:33:56< Gambit> C:\Perl\bin\perl.exe ?
20100625 03:34:04< Gambit> For the program to which to associate the files?
20100625 03:34:33< shadowmaster> yes
20100625 03:35:01< shadowmaster> (side-note about #2: odds are that someone has written a perl module that does it already)
20100625 03:37:59< shadowmaster> actually, "I knew". I must have deleted the soource code.
20100625 03:38:16< shadowmaster> the second version allocates a console instead of deallocating it.
20100625 03:40:43< shadowmaster> stuff feels faster after switching kernels.
20100625 03:41:00< shadowmaster> I wonder if it's because of the kernel, or simply because I rebooted.
20100625 03:41:22< shadowmaster> the kernel config is pretty much a clone of my 2.6.33 config
20100625 03:43:02< shadowmaster> alternatively 2.6.34's memory subsystem really has some performance improvements.
20100625 03:43:10< Espreon> ... and it would appear that wicd-gtk is crap.
20100625 03:43:33< shadowmaster> compare early revisions of 2.6.35.
20100625 03:45:10< Espreon> No, 2.6.35 is evil!
20100625 03:45:18< Espreon> ... or at least, some revisions of it.
20100625 03:45:24< shadowmaster> Espreon: shut up.
20100625 03:45:27< shadowmaster> now you are just copying me
20100625 03:45:35< Espreon> No, seriously, it is/was.
20100625 03:45:42< shadowmaster> I really doubt you have tried RCs of 2.6.35
20100625 03:45:57< shadowmaster> you are only talking like that based on that article I linked some time ago
20100625 03:46:12< Espreon> I didn't remember you linking to it.
20100625 03:46:27< shadowmaster> then what are your sources?
20100625 03:46:39 * Espreon recalls that he went to Phoronix from school... when he was bored... and wasn't talking to you people...
20100625 03:46:52< Espreon> ... or readng the logs... et cætera...
20100625 03:46:56< shadowmaster> yeah, I linked an article from Phoronix
20100625 03:47:52< Espreon> Cool story, bro.
20100625 03:48:49< Espreon> Damn it, I can't seem to disable SSID broadcasting, even though it mentions it...
20100625 03:49:31< Espreon> Ah, it was a link...
20100625 03:49:43< Espreon> It would be nice if they made that obvious rather than merely making it bold.
20100625 03:50:59< shadowmaster> Espreon: stop using the "Cool story, bro" phrase, please.
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20100625 03:51:12< Espreon> Fine, fine...
20100625 03:51:44< Espreon> This is a verbose channel, after all.
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20100625 03:55:24< Gambit> It joins and parts. Eeez a miracle!
20100625 03:59:07< shadowmaster> Espreon: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMxNQ
20100625 03:59:18< Gambit> shadowmaster: ":hubbard.freenode.net 421 Janebot Cheese :Unknown command"
20100625 03:59:19< Gambit> lol
20100625 03:59:43< Espreon> shadowmaster: Good.
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20100625 05:27:18< Gambit> shadowmaster: Are there not libraries in Santiago?
20100625 05:27:54< shadowmaster> yes, there are.
20100625 05:27:55< shadowmaster> why?
20100625 05:28:12< Gambit> I asked PetePorty if he was familiar with the Ender series.
20100625 05:28:12< shadowmaster> there's always the National Library (Biblioteca Nacional)
20100625 05:28:26< Gambit> His first instinct was to look it up on TPB.
20100625 05:28:33< Gambit> He sees that it's a book series...
20100625 05:28:35< shadowmaster> TPB?
20100625 05:28:36< Gambit> and he pirates it :s
20100625 05:28:40< Gambit> The Pirate Bay
20100625 05:28:53< shadowmaster> you know that piracy is not on-topic in this network.
20100625 05:29:04< Gambit> So I was just wondering.
20100625 05:29:37< Gambit> I guess downloading is easier than walking your rear end over to the library...
20100625 05:30:13< Gambit> Though, as Jetrel (I think) pointed out, by my strict and hateful definition of piracy, the library is worse than TBP.
20100625 05:31:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: The entire network?
20100625 05:32:33< shadowmaster> Gambit: yes, the entire network.
20100625 05:32:50< shadowmaster> http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#offtopic
20100625 05:32:56< Gambit> Well then I didn't know...
20100625 05:33:12< Espreon> Well, you should have known.
20100625 05:33:42< Espreon> "I'm sorry that I killed that man, but I didn't know that it was illegal to kill a human!"
20100625 05:33:46< Gambit> True. I have not read all of freenode's stuff yet.
20100625 05:35:18< shadowmaster> anyone who's creating a channel in this network should
20100625 05:35:38< Gambit> :(
20100625 05:35:46< shadowmaster> I could also note that #wesnothxp may need to move to ##wesnothxp is the group registration system gets completed, but I know well that it won't be completed before the end of this year
20100625 05:36:12< shadowmaster> otherwise I'd have complained to you about using the primary namespace.
20100625 05:36:17< shadowmaster> this is only between you and me.
20100625 05:36:19< shadowmaster> don't tell staff.
20100625 05:36:24< shadowmaster> they'd kill me.
20100625 05:36:31< shadowmaster> nah, not kreally.
20100625 05:36:45< Gambit> I was wondering about that actually.
20100625 05:37:10< shadowmaster> but they'd look funny at me since I'm one of the unaffiliated helpers who insists on making sure anyone asking about channel registration gets to know about the namespace system
20100625 05:37:18< Gambit> I figured (apparently incorrectly) we were okay because we had no hyphen.
20100625 05:37:36< shadowmaster> you'd be okay if you filed a group registration form
20100625 05:37:44< shadowmaster> however, those are processed manually, and the team in charge of them is sorta MIA
20100625 05:37:59< Gambit> And that'd link it to the wesnoth namespace?
20100625 05:38:15< shadowmaster> no, you'd probably ask for your own namespace, #wesnothxp*
20100625 05:38:23< shadowmaster> well, #wesnothxp-*
20100625 05:38:26< Gambit> we only need one channel though.
20100625 05:38:44< shadowmaster> yeah, avoid that stuff unless you really need it.
20100625 05:39:07< Gambit> In fact we barely need the one channel.
20100625 05:39:29< Gambit> Everything on topic has been from one peer directly to another and we're all in other channels anyways.
20100625 05:40:07< Gambit> Anywho I'm off for the night. It's been educational as usual.
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20100625 06:11:38< Aethaeryn> oooh, found an old email 
20100625 06:11:47< Aethaeryn> haven't used the "starred" section in Gmail ever, since maybe '05 :p
20100625 06:12:00< Aethaeryn> so I found out when I started using Fedora
20100625 06:12:08< Aethaeryn> It will be 5 years in September.
20100625 06:12:09< Aethaeryn> :-)
20100625 06:37:32< Espreon> Ugh, why the hell don't GTK apps play nicely with KWin's XRender mode?
20100625 06:44:23< shadowmaster> because you have a crappy chipset
20100625 06:44:32< shadowmaster> or something.
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20100625 08:58:24< Espreon> Goodbyez.
20100625 08:58:28 * Espreon disappears...
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20100625 14:08:39-!- Topic for #wesnoth-umc-dev: Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project @ SF.net: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
20100625 14:08:39-!- Topic set by shadowmaster [] [Mon Jun 21 08:46:06 2010]
20100625 14:08:39[Users #wesnoth-umc-dev]
20100625 14:08:39[@ChanServ] [+shikadibot] [ AnMaster       ] [ fendrin] [ loonycyborg ] 
20100625 14:08:39[+CIA-28  ] [+wesbot    ] [ Elvish_Pillager] [ Gambit ] [ shadowmaster] 
20100625 14:08:39[+loonybot] [ AI0867    ] [ Espreon        ] [ lobby  ] [ zookeeper   ] 
20100625 14:08:39-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-umc-dev: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 4 voices, 10 normal]
20100625 14:08:39-!- Home page for #wesnoth-umc-dev: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net
20100625 14:08:53-!- Channel #wesnoth-umc-dev created Mon Mar 31 16:51:24 2008
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20100625 14:26:59< Gambit> Since when have customly named events had first_time_only?
20100625 14:27:18< Gambit> I guess always...
20100625 14:27:24< Gambit> I wonder why I never ran into this before though.
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20100625 15:44:35<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7369 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/images/utils/curse.png: NoM: update curse icon.
20100625 15:48:15<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7370 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/po/ (en@shaw.po pl.po): NoM i18n: update po files with new descriptions.
20100625 15:49:12< FAAB> Espreon: ^ might be some work required on the shavian transl...tion :)
20100625 16:01:15<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7371 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/ (2 files in 2 dirs): NoM: Add black cat defend animation.
20100625 16:06:53<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7372 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/ (4 files in 2 dirs): NoM: add unhatched defend animation.
20100625 16:12:41<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7373 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/ (_main.cfg _server.ign): NoM DEVEL: make devel eras invisible for now.
20100625 16:13:33< FAAB> shikadibot: dir /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/units/aberrations
20100625 16:13:34<+shikadibot> Web interface URL to directory /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/units/aberrations: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/units/aberrations
20100625 16:30:52<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7374 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/ (9 files in 4 dirs): NoM: revert antiarcane back to arcane_focus.
20100625 16:33:47<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: faabumc * r7375 /trunk/Nightmares_of_Meloen/po/pl.po: NoM: revert antiarcane back to arcane_focus in polish translation.
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20100625 16:38:20< FAAB> zookeeper: could you please remove the "Era of awesomeness" from the add-on server? The pbl file is corrupted that prevents me from updating it or deleting it.
20100625 16:39:03 * FAAB is assuming zookeeper have rights on this kind of things
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20100625 17:12:44< zookeeper> FAAB, i don't, but i asked soliton to do it, it should be gone now.
20100625 17:16:17< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=437746#p437746 ... OK...
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20100625 18:02:37< Valkier> How are you fine gentlemen today?
20100625 18:04:22< Espreon> We are doing very well on this fine day.
20100625 18:04:40< Espreon> What about you, Valkier?
20100625 18:06:02< Valkier> I am doing just splendidly! Thank you for inquiring.
20100625 18:06:17< Espreon> Excellent.
20100625 18:08:24< Valkier> I like this portrait. I wish it was accepted. http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30525
20100625 18:09:37< Espreon> Hmmmmm, the Grammar Führer is telling me to scream: "WRONG MOOD!", but, I'm too lazy.
20100625 18:09:51< Espreon> Tch, yeah, that portrait... is AWESOME!
20100625 18:09:59< Espreon> ... but it is not Awesome.
20100625 18:10:11< Valkier> lol
20100625 18:10:21 * Espreon wishes that the Awesome Campaign project were still around.
20100625 18:10:33< Valkier> What is/was that?
20100625 18:10:39< Espreon> That was a fine project, for it was awesome, and it did pertain to Awesome.
20100625 18:10:56< Espreon> It was a campaign revolving around Awesome, probably.
20100625 18:11:04< Valkier> Hmm
20100625 18:11:04< Espreon> It had a lot of awesome Awesome-related artwork.
20100625 18:11:08< Valkier> Was it crafted with win?
20100625 18:11:38< Espreon> Indeed.
20100625 18:12:47< Valkier> Hurrah!
20100625 18:13:22 * Espreon 's surprised that mysticX isn't yelling at us for praising Awesome.
20100625 18:13:37< mysticX> huh?
20100625 18:13:54< Espreon> Well, then your meme detector is made of failure.
20100625 18:14:09< Espreon> You were able to recognize "Gentlemen", but you don't know about Awesome?
20100625 18:14:22< mysticX> I got used to you talking like retard
20100625 18:14:59< Espreon> Riveting tale, chap!
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20100625 18:23:40< Elvish_Pillager> Are there defines for Wesnoth versions?
20100625 18:24:40< zookeeper> no
20100625 18:24:48< Elvish_Pillager> There should be...
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20100625 18:54:26< Gambit> and every single addon
20100625 18:54:34< Gambit> *era
20100625 18:54:44< Gambit> *era and scenario
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20100625 19:46:51< Gambit> [12:14:50] <Espreon> Riveting tale, chap! <--- that was awesome
20100625 19:47:40< Espreon> Why thank you.
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20100625 19:49:36< Espreon> ... and 5:00 PM US Central time beeþ þe time of all times!
20100625 19:50:46< Gambit> eastern time is the US standard
20100625 19:51:04< Gambit> Though I am increasingly running into places that expect me to know pacific.
20100625 19:52:19< Espreon> That's Communism!®
20100625 19:52:45< Espreon> Gambit: But seriously, 5:00 PM US Central time is the time of all times, for that is when Zerovirus should be back from China.
20100625 19:53:13< Espreon> I only express it in Central time, for this is his native timezone.
20100625 19:53:18< Espreon> *that is
20100625 19:54:06< Espreon> Also, who/what expects you to know Pacific time?
20100625 19:55:27< Espreon> We shouldn't be expected to know/care about any other timezones in the US.
20100625 19:55:38< Gambit> Mainly Pacific based video game companies.
20100625 19:56:00< Espreon> Well, screw them.
20100625 19:56:06< Gambit> For the past year and a half every betaand event I've been in has listed their start and end times in pacific.
20100625 19:56:23< Gambit> NaughtyDog lists both cause they're cool
20100625 19:56:34< Espreon> Noöne cares about þe Friþful Sea...
20100625 19:57:05< Gambit> Is it bad that your silly letters are becoming second nature now?
20100625 19:57:18 * Gambit doesn't have to think about them anymore. YOU MONSTER!
20100625 19:58:12< Espreon> Þey're not silly.
20100625 19:58:43< Espreon> Þorn is one of our letters, and you should respect þat.
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20100625 21:26:11< Espreon> Oh God, I just saw a Bing ad that used Spanish in the sketch.
20100625 21:26:24< Espreon> «Yo tengo Bing» — ......... Why?
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20100625 23:41:37< shadowmaster> Espreon: HOW DO I GOT BING?
20100625 23:43:10< Espreon> Good question.
20100625 23:50:30< shadowmaster> I really wonder what motivates Jetrel to practice thread necromancy every once in a while in the hidden forum
20100625 23:51:06< Espreon> He's probably doing it for the lulz.
20100625 23:51:52< Espreon> GRUB2 + os-prober = awesomeness.
20100625 23:51:53< shadowmaster> that's not a good excuse, you know
20100625 23:52:04< shadowmaster> I'm being serious here.
20100625 23:52:32< shadowmaster> erm...what are you talking about regarding GRUB2?
20100625 23:52:37< Espreon> It may not be good, but is indeed plausible.
20100625 23:52:39< Espreon> Hmmmmm?
20100625 23:52:50< shadowmaster> 17:51:52 <Espreon> GRUB2 + os-prober = awesomeness.
20100625 23:52:55< shadowmaster> elaborate
20100625 23:53:29< Espreon> Oh, there's this nice tool called os-prober that... finds OSes and such on partitions; GRUB2 happens to be able to use it when rebuilding grub.cfg (not grub.conf anymore).
20100625 23:53:39< shadowmaster> because AFAICT I regret having switched to GRUB2
20100625 23:53:49< shadowmaster> well, I think Debian has this os-prober thing too
20100625 23:54:11< Espreon> Yes, it does.
20100625 23:54:13< shadowmaster> yeah, it has.
20100625 23:54:19< shadowmaster> *it does have it
20100625 23:54:24< Espreon> eix told me.
20100625 23:54:38< shadowmaster> but I still think GURUB2 sucks
20100625 23:54:41< Aethaeryn> hah
20100625 23:54:43< Aethaeryn> I knew it.
20100625 23:54:50< shadowmaster> drawing TEXT in graphical mode is SLOW
20100625 23:54:50< Aethaeryn> Fedora still uses grub.
20100625 23:54:55< shadowmaster> that  was FAST with GRUB 0.96
20100625 23:54:55<+wesbot> shadowmaster: Sometimes we are fast
20100625 23:55:05< Aethaeryn> And Fedora has a habit of taking not-ready-for-regular-use software and throwing it into the main distro
20100625 23:55:08< Aethaeryn> like KDE 4.0
20100625 23:55:11 * Gambit hugs wesbot.
20100625 23:55:22< Aethaeryn> so I figure that if Fedora doesn't have it as the default option (it probably has it)
20100625 23:55:36< Aethaeryn> and yes, it does have a grub2 package.
20100625 23:55:54< shadowmaster> Debian intends ot have it as a default option in the future.
20100625 23:56:00< shadowmaster> no idea if it's the case already in Testing.
20100625 23:56:17< shadowmaster> I just switched because the upgrade suggested it to me.
20100625 23:56:22< Espreon> Well, try not scaling it to 1920x1280.
20100625 23:56:37< shadowmaster> Espreon: EVEN IN FUCKING 640X480
20100625 23:56:42< Aethaeryn> hahaha
20100625 23:56:44< Aethaeryn> "PLEASE NOTE: This is a development snapshot, and as such will not replace grub if you install it, but will be merely added as another kernel to your existing GRUB menu. Do not replace GRUB (grub package) with it unless you know what are you doing. Refer to README.Fedora file that is part of this package's documentation for more information."
20100625 23:56:54< shadowmaster> Espreon: you think I'd be complaining otherwise?
20100625 23:57:02< Espreon> Well, then that sucks for you.
20100625 23:57:05< Aethaeryn> so it's not the default in Fedora as of Fedora 13
20100625 23:57:15< Aethaeryn> but nor is gnome-shell, which I use on my desktop
20100625 23:57:20< Aethaeryn> so
20100625 23:57:29< Aethaeryn> maybe Fedora 14
20100625 23:57:40< shadowmaster> I don't care about your Fedora.
20100625 23:57:41< shadowmaster> :)
20100625 23:57:43< Aethaeryn> changing something major like grub in Fedora 13 would just be asking for bad luck.
20100625 23:57:51< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Our number is higher than yours.
20100625 23:57:52< Aethaeryn> ;)
20100625 23:58:01< shadowmaster> that doesn't mean anything
20100625 23:58:19< Aethaeryn> hah... ON DISTROWATCH
20100625 23:58:20< Aethaeryn> fooled you
20100625 23:58:27< shadowmaster> except that you have shorter development cycles, and that the results aren't always of the best quality
20100625 23:58:41< Aethaeryn> eh, the result is that we get to use the latest software?
20100625 23:58:48< Aethaeryn> and if you wanted stability you could always just use CentOS?
20100625 23:58:50 * Espreon laughs
20100625 23:59:11< Espreon> Latest? My ass!
20100625 23:59:16< shadowmaster> you realize that you can get the latest software in Debian too?
20100625 23:59:41< Aethaeryn> CentOS is 14, Fedora is 2... so I think the demand for stability is lower than the demand for the 6-month release cycle, at least among my community
20100625 23:59:46< shadowmaster> except that first you need to pass the Test of Ability to Solve Your Problems If Things Go Horribly Wrong
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