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20100629 01:44:48< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: so you are saying that the solution for my "Linux doesn't switch to a text console when hibernating via KDE so TOI can't suspend drivers" problem would be using TOI's bootsplash GUI?
20100629 01:45:01< shadowm_laptop> I honestly haven't seen a single bootsplash theme that pleases me.
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20100629 01:45:29< Espreon> Uh, I didn't say that...
20100629 01:45:39< Espreon> Well, Sabayon's bootsplash is pleasing.
20100629 01:45:42< shadowm_laptop> well, your story implies that it'd be the solution
20100629 01:45:53< Espreon> Meh, IDK why I spoke.
20100629 01:46:04< shadowm_laptop> because you love me <3
20100629 01:46:24< Espreon> Riveting tale, chap.
20100629 01:46:47< shadowm_laptop> ...
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20100629 02:56:08< Espreon> Now to restart X.
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20100629 03:02:34< Espreon> ... once more...
20100629 03:02:55< shadowmaster> Espreon: how do you use the gallium driver?
20100629 03:03:16< shadowmaster> is it just compiling mesa with gallium support and starting a X server with the KMS driver?
20100629 03:05:28< Espreon> Uh, you also have to configure mesa to use the gallium drivers.
20100629 03:05:30< Espreon> ... somehow.
20100629 03:05:41< Espreon> Here, I can just "eselect mesa ..."
20100629 03:16:13< Espreon> I wish I knew the window id of the KDE logout dialog.
20100629 03:25:06< shadowm_laptop> what for?
20100629 03:25:31< shadowm_laptop> maybe you could get xwininfo to help you
20100629 03:25:55< Espreon> I want Compiz to stop giving it entrance/exit effects.
20100629 03:26:09< shadowm_laptop> xwininfo: error: Can't grab the mouse.
20100629 03:26:23< shadowm_laptop> meh, I tried to get its id with sleep 5; xwininfo 
20100629 03:26:31< shadowm_laptop> but apparently it doesn't work with that particular dialog
20100629 03:30:25< Espreon> Again, I've been using the classic driver this whole time again (... long story)... and it seems that Frogatto is much slower with gallium.
20100629 03:30:39< Espreon> ... damn it all...
20100629 03:31:13< shadowm_laptop> I guess I don't want to try then
20100629 03:31:22< Espreon> Well, I'm still keeping my KMS setup.
20100629 03:31:24< shadowm_laptop> you use the r300 driver?
20100629 03:31:30< Espreon> Yeah.
20100629 03:31:39< shadowm_laptop> that one's got more activity than r600 in git
20100629 03:31:43< shadowm_laptop> for gallium3d anyway
20100629 03:32:08< shadowm_laptop> so I guess trying r600g is a recipe for pain
20100629 03:33:00< Espreon> Sigh, I wish that the classic driver were as fast as it used to be.
20100629 03:33:09< Aethaeryn> KMS?
20100629 03:33:12< Aethaeryn> as in kernel or KDE?
20100629 03:33:12< Espreon> ... or maybe it's just KMS slowing things down.
20100629 03:33:25< Espreon> KMS = kernel modesetting
20100629 03:33:28< Aethaeryn> k
20100629 03:33:41< Aethaeryn> thought that's what it was, just not sure if KDE has a MS or something
20100629 03:34:01< Aethaeryn> since you're probably both heretics who use the "KDE desktop environment" desktop environment.
20100629 03:34:04< Aethaeryn> ;-)
20100629 03:34:12< Espreon> Yeah, yeah.
20100629 03:34:28< shadowm_laptop> Linus didn't like GNOME back in the day anyway
20100629 03:34:51< Espreon> Meh, well, I've been seeing the classic driver getting slower before I started to use KMS like I do now.
20100629 03:35:37< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: are you using compiz?
20100629 03:35:50< shadowm_laptop> alternatively you can use KMS and no compositingMW
20100629 03:35:54< shadowm_laptop> compositing WM
20100629 03:36:01< Aethaeryn> shadowm_laptop: KDE 4.0 got a lot of people to switch to GNOME. On the other hand, GNOME 3.0 might do the inverse. ;-)
20100629 03:36:06< Aethaeryn> People hate change.
20100629 03:36:20< Aethaeryn> That must be why people hate Physics.
20100629 03:36:22< shadowm_laptop> Aethaeryn: KDE 4 got me to become even more of a KDE fan
20100629 03:36:30< shadowm_laptop> mwahaha
20100629 03:36:31< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: That would be even worse.
20100629 03:36:44< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: kwin then?
20100629 03:36:47< Espreon> Compiz is what is making things run at a tolerable rate.
20100629 03:37:04< Espreon> KWin's compositing won't even work for me anymore.
20100629 03:37:26< Espreon> ... plus it running in OpenGL mode is too slow and XRender has problems.
20100629 03:37:45< shadowm_laptop> xrender is slower than opengl here, UMS or KMS
20100629 03:38:03< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: Frogatto is where I see things slowing down...
20100629 03:38:08< shadowm_laptop> might have to do with the GPU itself
20100629 03:38:47< Espreon> Aethaeryn: KDE 4 is a complete rewrite, OK? So, shut up.
20100629 03:39:20< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: Oh?
20100629 03:39:33< Aethaeryn> Espreon: hey, I dissed both sides equally
20100629 03:39:43< Espreon> Yeah, yeah.
20100629 03:39:45< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: I mean the xrender slowness here
20100629 03:39:52< Espreon> Ah, I see.
20100629 03:40:35< Espreon> The highly-praised gallium better become faster than classic for me soon... otherwise... yeahz...
20100629 03:42:21< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: Do you think that we'll see KMS improvements in .35?
20100629 03:44:58< shadowm_laptop> I hope
20100629 03:45:12< shadowm_laptop> otherwise maybe it won't get better till 2012
20100629 03:46:41< Espreon> Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.  The framerate should be
20100629 03:46:42< Espreon> approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
20100629 03:46:45< Espreon> ... interesting...
20100629 03:46:58< Espreon> glxgears told me that.
20100629 03:48:42< Espreon> What if I don't want it to be synchronized?
20100629 03:50:20< shadowm_laptop> disable vsync
20100629 03:50:24< Espreon> How?
20100629 03:50:26< shadowm_laptop> some apps allow to do that.
20100629 03:50:34< shadowm_laptop> some apps have some vsync toggle
20100629 03:50:41< shadowm_laptop> I believe the radeon module also has that
20100629 03:51:14< shadowm_laptop> ah, no, it doesn't
20100629 03:51:35< shadowm_laptop> well, most games seem to have some kind of switch for vertical trace sync
20100629 03:51:40< shadowm_laptop> so does kwin
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20100629 04:22:50< Espreon> OK, so, how the hell is gallium supposed to be awesome if it requires KMS, which slows everything down thanks to vsync?
20100629 04:26:09< shadowm_laptop> I doubt vsync is your problem
20100629 04:26:18< shadowm_laptop> KMS was slower here already before vsync support came in
20100629 04:26:38< shadowm_laptop> vsync is supposed to help with tearing, not to reduce performance
20100629 04:38:32< Espreon> Yeah, everything'll be fixed by .40...
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20100629 06:29:31< shadowmaster> AI0867: maybe this is of interest to you: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=438131#p438131
20100629 06:30:55< Espreon> Could it be‽
20100629 06:31:08< Espreon> Eh, maybe not.
20100629 06:32:48< Espreon> Possibly...
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20100629 06:43:54< Espreon> shadowmaster: Do you agree with my self-description?
20100629 06:44:26< shadowmaster> where
20100629 06:44:43< Espreon> In #wesnoth.
20100629 06:46:12< shadowmaster> maybe
20100629 06:46:24< Espreon> Oh?
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20100629 08:27:10< AI0867> Espreon: could you take care of that?
20100629 08:27:27< Espreon> Of wha?
20100629 08:27:42< AI0867> ageless, EoS, jamini
20100629 08:27:51< Espreon> Ah, that.
20100629 08:28:05< Espreon> Maybe if we are lucky, Jamini = Jami in disguise.
20100629 08:28:55< Espreon> Sure, I'll deal with it.
20100629 08:29:14< AI0867> not even a disguise
20100629 08:29:20< AI0867> alternative nick
20100629 08:31:20< shadowmaster> DNS stopped working for some reason
20100629 08:32:02< shadowmaster> pinging the DNS address fails but I have no idea whether it shouldn't in the first place :/
20100629 08:32:24< shadowmaster> so I'm suck with those sites I have in my /etc/hosts file, including the VPS
20100629 08:32:40< shadowmaster> stuck
20100629 08:33:14< shadowmaster> wait, wtf.
20100629 08:33:43< shadowmaster> the DNS wasn't in the 10.*.*.* block  before
20100629 08:33:46< Espreon> AI0867: You're right, it's definitely him.
20100629 08:33:52< shadowmaster> --> primary   DNS address 200.63.56.3
20100629 08:34:03< shadowmaster> but now
20100629 08:34:06< shadowmaster> --> primary   DNS address 10.11.12.13
20100629 08:34:16< shadowmaster> I take it it's a fake
20100629 08:34:29< shadowmaster> --> secondary DNS address 10.11.12.14    ... :&
20100629 08:34:35< shadowmaster> :/
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20100629 08:35:24< Espreon> AI0867: Now we wait.
20100629 08:35:29< shadowmaster> okay, now I got the correct one after reconnecting again
20100629 08:36:01< shadowmaster> the odd thing is that my connection was actually terminated before I started being assigned bogus DNS addresses
20100629 08:36:27< shadowmaster> Jun 29 02:21:05 bluecore pppd[3966]: LCP terminated by peer
20100629 08:37:10< shadowmaster> Espreon: he uses the same email address a Jami, btw
20100629 08:37:22 * Espreon didn't check
20100629 08:37:29< shadowmaster> I guess he simply didn't use the Forgot My Password button
20100629 08:37:33< Espreon> AI0867: Who is the other missing person again?
20100629 08:37:46< shadowmaster> so if you are going to PM him, give him this advice:
20100629 08:37:55< shadowmaster> use the "Forgot my password" link in the login page
20100629 08:38:02< shadowmaster> instead of registering alternates
20100629 08:38:22< shadowmaster> which can confuse people who don't have access to view users' email addresses
20100629 08:39:09< shadowmaster> in other news I found a nice screen-capturing software
20100629 08:39:23< Espreon> Oh?
20100629 08:39:49< shadowmaster> recordmydesktop
20100629 08:40:02< shadowmaster> also has a gtk frontend, gtk-recordMyDesktop
20100629 08:40:46< shadowmaster> so I guess I can now record frogatto action too.
20100629 08:40:48< Espreon> Damn it pofix, let's go!
20100629 08:41:12< shadowmaster> it records all the sweet opengl action
20100629 08:41:19< shadowmaster> even kwin's compositing effects appear in the video
20100629 08:41:56< shadowmaster> and doesn't consume that much CPU. I guess that has helped my faith in X.org this night
20100629 08:42:13< shadowmaster> ^_^
20100629 08:43:01 * Espreon wishes that pofix were written in Perl.
20100629 08:45:18< Espreon> Tch, Smugleaf is awesome.
20100629 08:45:47 * Espreon is definitely choosing it as his starter in Black and White.
20100629 08:46:03< Espreon> ... besides, the other Gen V starters look pathetic.
20100629 08:49:06< Espreon> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/smugleaf — How can one not love Smugleaf? He's just so awesome!
20100629 08:52:40< Espreon> Ever since I first saw the first pics of the Gen V starters, I knew that Smugleaf was the one.
20100629 08:54:14< shadowmaster> I'm freezing
20100629 08:54:26< Espreon> ...
20100629 08:54:30< Espreon> Why?
20100629 08:54:38< shadowmaster> it's too cold here
20100629 08:55:12< Espreon> Well, Smugleaf's awesomeness will warm you up!
20100629 08:55:22< shadowmaster> I mean the weather at home, of course.
20100629 08:55:36< Espreon> But, Hidden Power Fire!
20100629 08:55:37< shadowmaster> also, I'm not into Pokemon
20100629 08:55:43< Espreon> ... and potentially Sunny Day!
20100629 08:55:46< Espreon> Well, you suck!
20100629 08:56:00< shadowmaster> good
20100629 08:56:13< Espreon> Smugleaf is globally awesome!
20100629 08:56:25< Espreon> ... even more awesome than shiny Pidgey!
20100629 08:58:22< Espreon> Yeah, I think that I'll go make my black glutinous rice.
20100629 08:59:11< shadowmaster> 737
20100629 08:59:19< shadowmaster> argh
20100629 08:59:28< Espreon> Why?
20100629 09:00:13< Espreon> Hmmmmm... nah, maybe tomorrow.
20100629 09:00:44< Espreon> ... nah, today!
20100629 09:01:04< Espreon> pofix will probably be done at 4:00 AM.
20100629 09:01:14< Espreon> ... and then I'll need to run it on the cfg files...
20100629 09:02:25< Espreon> Meh, no, I don't have enough time.
20100629 09:11:08< shadowmaster> I wonder how much I'd save if I rebuilt *X.org*
20100629 09:11:17< shadowmaster> with some dequate flags
20100629 09:12:07< shadowmaster> help, I'm rambling about compile-time optimizations again
20100629 09:14:49< Espreon> "-O2 -march=native -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mfpmath=sse" (I think your processor can handle SSE stuff)
20100629 09:14:54< Espreon> Feel free to yell at me.
20100629 09:19:24< Espreon> ... or wait, you want to save space... right? If so... yeahz...
20100629 09:19:31< Espreon> Can't help you there.
20100629 09:21:23< shadowmaster> Espreon: no, I want to save performance
20100629 09:21:45< shadowmaster> improve performance
20100629 09:21:47< Espreon> I see, then try the options that I have provided.
20100629 09:21:56< Espreon> Jeß...
20100629 09:22:04 * shadowmaster rolls eyes
20100629 09:22:11< shadowmaster> Not sure I feel like downloading a bunch of source packages atm.
20100629 09:22:24< shadowmaster> my bandwidth is being throttled because I exceeded this silly quota some days ago
20100629 09:22:41< Espreon> You have a quota?
20100629 09:22:46< shadowmaster> yes.
20100629 09:22:55< shadowmaster> :<
20100629 09:22:58< Espreon> Ha ha ha ha!
20100629 09:23:10< shadowmaster> not funnt
20100629 09:23:10< Espreon> ... and what is your quota?
20100629 09:23:13< shadowmaster> funny
20100629 09:23:29< shadowmaster> I'd estimate that it was something around 2-4 GB
20100629 09:23:39< Espreon> For realz?
20100629 09:23:43< shadowmaster> I'm going to check tomorrow what's te actual value
20100629 09:23:46< shadowmaster> *the
20100629 09:23:49< shadowmaster> somehow
20100629 09:26:38< Espreon> Yupz... I'm staying up late for the sake of Wesnoth... stupid pofix...
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20100629 10:07:14< shadowmaster> so, I recompiled mesa with this xcb thing
20100629 10:07:23< shadowmaster> I don't notice any difference
20100629 10:08:24< shadowmaster> performance-wise anyway
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20100629 12:38:06< Espreon>  Byez...
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20100629 18:29:51< Gambit|Laptop> I love how after the creation of experimental corner, nobody has been whining about the rng
20100629 18:30:19< Gambit|Laptop> And none of the former whiners have stepped forward to work on "fixing" the "problem".
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20100629 21:33:46< Gambit> zookeeper: Could one overwrite automatically stored variables (like $unit and $x1) just before firing a custom event?
20100629 21:33:49< Gambit> And would those values be kept?
20100629 21:39:42< shadowmaster> not guaranteed
20100629 21:39:55< shadowmaster> but you can override the primary and/or secondary unit in the [fire_event] tag
20100629 21:43:22< Gambit> thanks shadowmaster
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20100629 22:13:00< zookeeper> Gambit, surely not
20100629 22:13:56< Gambit> errr
20100629 22:13:58< Gambit> Huh?
20100629 22:22:03< zookeeper> the answer to the question you asked me
20100629 22:28:07< Gambit> So then when firing a custom event they get reset to blank? Or they're protected and you can't write new values to them?
20100629 22:28:57< shadowmaster> I said "not guaranteed", clearly
20100629 22:29:35< shadowmaster> and I'm speaking from my experience in the C++ side of things, back when I dealt with the attack filters stuff
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20100629 22:33:27< shadowmaster> the only thing that's guaranteed is that you can override them in [fire_event] [primary_unit] and [secondary_unit]
20100629 22:33:37< shadowmaster> why the code appears to be missing in trunk is beyond me, but it is in 1.8
20100629 22:34:47< shadowmaster> .....silene moved it to lua in trunk.
20100629 22:34:53< shadowmaster> GODDAMMIT
20100629 22:35:23< Gambit> shadowmaster: You're anti-luafication?
20100629 22:35:44< shadowmaster> fortunately he seems to have got my implementation's basics correct
20100629 22:35:59< shadowmaster> so there should be no difference to WML users
20100629 22:37:39< shadowmaster> Gambit: I'm anti-anything-that-can-possibly-break-existing-behavior
20100629 22:38:05< Gambit> Well it it could potentially require developers to have to know two languages to work on things.
20100629 22:38:36< shadowmaster> I have already had people break my code because they can't be bothered to take a look in detail at it first.
20100629 23:24:51< shadowmaster> considering Jami is in the MP server identified with his forum account and password, I guess he just wanted to confuse people with his alt
20100629 23:25:06< shadowmaster> AI0867: don't you think?
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20100629 23:36:23<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r7376 /branches/irc-bots/shikadibot/shikadibot.pl: shikadibot: Bump version from 0.9 to 0.91
20100629 23:46:01< Espreon> ... now to start preparing my black glutinous rice.
20100629 23:49:19< shadowmaster> you know
20100629 23:49:29< shadowmaster> actually, fonts are looking prettier at native 96 dpi.
20100629 23:52:08< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/font11.png
20100629 23:52:29< shadowmaster> the uppercase S in Tahoma appears to have some issues with grayscale hinting though
20100629 23:56:56< Gambit> I love having a browser that opens pngs inside itself
20100629 23:58:39< shadowmaster> I have never seen any modern browser that requires an external program to do that.
20100629 23:59:17< zookeeper> shadowmaster, does it even push the limits of your patience to deal with peterporty like that instead of just telling him to stfu and stop being an idiot all the time?
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