--- Log opened Sat Jun 05 00:00:11 2010
--- Day changed Sat Jun 05 2010
20100605 00:00:11< shadowmaster> that doesn't make me any less human
20100605 00:00:17< PetePorty> really?
20100605 00:00:24< PetePorty> Gambit said otherwise
20100605 00:00:36< shadowmaster> no seriously
20100605 00:00:48< PetePorty> :D
20100605 00:00:52< shadowmaster> although I must say that I kind of predicted your moves
20100605 00:01:10< PetePorty> yeah, I'm predictable...
20100605 00:01:40< PetePorty> well, now at least I can say I've lost to someone important :)
20100605 00:02:02< shadowmaster> make it your forum signature!
20100605 00:02:20< PetePorty> nah, I like the one I have now...
20100605 00:02:36< shadowmaster> "I played against shadowmaster and lost but at least a hot chick was the last person I saw before dying"
20100605 00:02:49< PetePorty> what the?
20100605 00:02:53< shadowmaster> :P
20100605 00:03:00< PetePorty> where did I see a hot chick?
20100605 00:03:07< shadowmaster> the thief that killed you
20100605 00:03:08< PetePorty> oh, you mean my desktop image?
20100605 00:03:11< PetePorty> oh...
20100605 00:03:18< PetePorty> hmmm...
20100605 00:03:21< PetePorty> ok
20100605 00:03:48< PetePorty> I'm planning to learn to draw to make the white mages female portrait sexier
20100605 00:03:50< shadowmaster> we can always try again
20100605 00:03:57< PetePorty> she looks old...
20100605 00:04:05< PetePorty> 800 gold vs 25?
20100605 00:04:11< shadowmaster> no she doesn't
20100605 00:04:19< PetePorty> she does...
20100605 00:04:35< shadowmaster> maybe the mage of light
20100605 00:04:37< Espreon> PetePorty: You better not do that, or kitty will smite you.
20100605 00:04:38< shadowmaster> but not the white mage
20100605 00:04:51< PetePorty> O.o
20100605 00:04:52< PetePorty> ok
20100605 00:05:04< Espreon> No, really, she would.
20100605 00:05:21 * PetePorty shivers
20100605 00:05:35< PetePorty> so... want a rematch shadowmaster ?
20100605 00:05:40< PetePorty> cuz I want one
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20100605 00:05:47< shadowmaster> only with balanced settings
20100605 00:05:58< PetePorty> ok, you make the game
20100605 00:06:00< shadowmaster> no such a thing like a, b gold with a != b
20100605 00:06:02< shadowmaster> okay
20100605 00:06:03< PetePorty> I'll join
20100605 00:13:03< PetePorty> ʎʇɹodɹәʇәd s! әɯɐu ʎɯ o||әɥ
20100605 00:13:08< PetePorty> damn...
20100605 00:13:12< PetePorty> didn't work
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20100605 00:24:21< Gambit> what didn't work?
20100605 00:24:24< Gambit> You typing upside down?
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20100605 00:26:26< Gambit> zookeeper: Around?
20100605 00:26:36< Gambit> I'm getting some really messed up behaviour in WML.
20100605 00:26:54< Gambit> {VARIABLE planet.variables.temperature "leik reeleh hawt"} <--- keeps crashing with missing [/set_variable] tag.
20100605 00:27:13< Gambit> Well that's not really what I was doing. But I tried that and it crashed likewise.
20100605 00:27:47< Gambit> I am so confused as to why simple variable setting is refusing to work.
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20100605 00:28:26< Hulavuta> hi
20100605 00:28:28< shadowmaster> you surely have more errors in stderr
20100605 00:28:47< shadowmaster> and that's just a symptom
20100605 00:28:49< Gambit> shadowmaster: I wouldn't be poking zookeeper if anything in there was helpful.
20100605 00:29:03< Gambit> OH I forgot
20100605 00:29:08< Gambit> that's a fake stderr
20100605 00:29:19< Gambit> the real one is in that silly compatability bugger
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20100605 00:29:24< Gambit> sorry zoo
20100605 00:31:34< Gambit> hehe the macro I was using {VARIABLE foo bar} in had an arugment named "variable"
20100605 00:33:41< zookeeper> Gambit, WHAT?
20100605 00:33:43< zookeeper> oops, caps
20100605 00:34:16< zookeeper> ...right
20100605 00:34:18< Gambit> zookeeper: Sorry I bugged you. It was a stupid error combined with a stupid feature to prevent me from seeing the stupid error.
20100605 00:34:22< PetePorty> I'm afraid me winning won't last much...
20100605 00:36:59< shadowmaster> you'll pay for what you did to wolfie
20100605 00:37:28< shadowmaster> with your northerner blood
20100605 00:38:22< PetePorty> ORLY?
20100605 00:38:41< PetePorty> bring it on you northener scum!
20100605 00:41:02< Hulavuta> I had finals today.
20100605 00:41:15< PetePorty> there goes your other wolfie
20100605 00:41:22< PetePorty> how did u do hula?
20100605 00:41:24< Gambit> Yay. Another macro down.
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20100605 00:41:41< Gambit> 2 more to go. And then all I had done with dynamica will be rewritten and better looking.
20100605 00:41:50< Gambit> then it can move forward.
20100605 00:42:13< Gambit> PetePorty: I doubt Hulavuta got his final exam grades already.
20100605 00:42:15< Gambit> Teachers are slow.
20100605 00:42:32< Gambit> You have to have all your stuff in EXACTLY ON TIME but they can take weeks to grade stuff -_-
20100605 00:42:37< Gambit> The system is broken.
20100605 00:42:41< PetePorty> yeah, but... if he answered all questions and stuff
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20100605 00:43:30< Gambit> Test should be computerized. Multiple choices should be graded instantly. Open ended should provide an example response so you can judge for yourself how well yours was in comparison.
20100605 00:43:35< PetePorty> I hand my stuff about 1 moth late...
20100605 00:43:44< Gambit> All you have to wait on is for the teacher to grade the open ended ones.
20100605 00:43:56< Gambit> And then theyd have more time to grade projects and non-test things.
20100605 00:44:02< PetePorty> yeah...
20100605 00:44:16< Gambit> +1 point cyberschooling
20100605 00:44:32< PetePorty> k, I'm not talking, I'm on a hard match
20100605 00:44:42< PetePorty> I'm gonna kill shadowmaster
20100605 00:45:31< Hulavuta> Well I'm taking a class online next school year
20100605 00:50:15< PetePorty> I can't believe I'm actually winning
20100605 00:50:32< Hulavuta> winning what
20100605 00:51:07< PetePorty> against shadowmaster 
20100605 00:51:42< PetePorty> oops I just highlighted him...
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20100605 00:53:13< Hulavuta> in what
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20100605 00:56:08< PetePorty> wesnoth...
20100605 01:04:38< PetePorty> shadowmaster, you will pay for that...
20100605 01:05:42< PetePorty> now he's winning...
20100605 01:07:08< sevis> If I may ask, how are you judging who is winning?
20100605 01:07:58< Blarumyrran> If someone wins in the end, he was always winning
20100605 01:08:11< Blarumyrran> That's why careful persons only say who is winning after all is over
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20100605 01:10:11< PetePorty> oh...
20100605 01:10:14< PetePorty> ummm...
20100605 01:10:27< PetePorty> kills vs looses?
20100605 01:10:56< PetePorty> but he killed my troll
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20100605 01:16:18< Hulavuta> also villages
20100605 01:16:24< Hulavuta> And whoever is closer to the enemy base
20100605 01:18:25< PetePorty> me and... me I believe
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20100605 01:24:02< PetePorty> I believe I'm winning again...
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20100605 01:34:46< PetePorty> lucky.
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20100605 01:58:05< PetePorty> YEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!
20100605 01:58:06< sevis> Good game, well played, shadowmaster.
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20100605 01:58:50< PetePorty> !
20100605 01:59:16 * shadowmaster rewards himself with cookies and chocolate
20100605 01:59:28< PetePorty> dude! reward me!
20100605 01:59:33< PetePorty> I'm hungry
20100605 01:59:46< PetePorty> can I have a cookie?
20100605 01:59:59 * shadowmaster gives PetePorty a cookie
20100605 02:00:07< PetePorty> thanks!
20100605 02:00:14 * PetePorty eats cookie
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20100605 02:01:52< Blarumyrran> So who won?
20100605 02:02:21< shadowmaster> PetePorty
20100605 02:02:32< PetePorty> :)
20100605 02:02:35< PetePorty> I'm happy
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20100605 02:05:58< PetePorty> ok guys.... I'll go eat and then watch house md.... but before I go, I want to say: YES! I'M SO VERY REALLY HAPPY!!!!
20100605 02:06:04< PetePorty> bye, c ya laterz
20100605 02:06:13< PetePorty> in a couple of hours.
20100605 02:06:14< Valkier> Later!
20100605 02:06:26< PetePorty> and shadowmaster, thanks for the match.
20100605 02:06:29< shadowmaster> yes, he's happy because he won against me after losing against me!
20100605 02:06:31< PetePorty> afk
20100605 02:06:31< shadowmaster> :P
20100605 02:06:47< PetePorty> no, its because I won against THE shadowmaster 
20100605 02:06:48< Valkier> You'll get em' next time
20100605 02:06:53< Gambit> PetePorty: There is no house MD this week
20100605 02:07:00< PetePorty> k, bye, I really nee dto go
20100605 02:07:04< Gambit> or last week
20100605 02:07:06< Valkier> Yeah. House finale happened last week.
20100605 02:07:08< PetePorty> there is on my pc
20100605 02:07:22< PetePorty> bye, i REALLY need to go... c ya all.
20100605 02:07:26< Gambit> Valkier: o_O
20100605 02:07:30< Gambit> Just season finale right?
20100605 02:07:39< Gambit> That can't have been the series finale :o
20100605 02:08:00< Valkier> He gets with Cuddy?
20100605 02:08:03< Valkier> Yeah. Season finale.
20100605 02:08:33< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm so dissapointed in your.
20100605 02:08:40< Gambit> *you
20100605 02:08:48< shadowmaster> Gambit: oh why?
20100605 02:09:03< Gambit> You lost me money!
20100605 02:09:10< Gambit> :P
20100605 02:09:43< Gambit> I'll have to download the replay later.
20100605 02:09:56< Valkier> Undead rule!
20100605 02:09:59< Valkier> Just saying
20100605 02:11:10< shadowmaster> http://replays.wesnoth.org/1.8/20100605/2p_-_Cynsaun_Battlefield_Turn_27_(8535).gz
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20100605 02:15:13< Gambit> so shadowmaster does this mean you're getting into MP now?
20100605 02:15:26< shadowmaster> yes
20100605 02:15:26< ancestral> Valkier, do you have a corpse bride?
20100605 02:16:08< Gambit> So you're going to have to try GEB some time!
20100605 02:16:10< shadowmaster> wow
20100605 02:16:14< Valkier> ... I told you not to discuss that!
20100605 02:16:22< shadowmaster> PeterPorty was an Orcish Slayer all along
20100605 02:16:28< shadowmaster> that's why he won
20100605 02:16:32< Gambit> You never even saw his leader?
20100605 02:16:32< shadowmaster> he got a ninja
20100605 02:16:37< shadowmaster> of course not.
20100605 02:16:40< shadowmaster> fog and everything
20100605 02:16:44< shadowmaster> I'm watching the replay now
20100605 02:16:46< Gambit> yeah but...
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20100605 02:23:52< Valkier> Orcish Slayer out of f***ing nowhere!
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20100605 02:34:19< PetePorty> :)
20100605 02:34:30< PetePorty> back for like.... 20 seconds
20100605 02:35:22< PetePorty> so...
20100605 02:35:25< PetePorty> I WON!
20100605 02:35:28< PetePorty> yay!
20100605 02:35:37< PetePorty> it's like my bday gift...
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20100605 02:36:14< PetePorty> well, House time now... c ya all.... I'm happy!
20100605 02:36:33< PetePorty> noy, hey noy, listen to me.... I won against shadowmaster!
20100605 02:36:38< PetePorty> :D
20100605 02:36:40< Valkier> There is no House!
20100605 02:36:40< noy> congrats
20100605 02:36:42< Valkier> It's over!
20100605 02:36:49< PetePorty> not on my pc!
20100605 02:36:54< Valkier> Noooooo!
20100605 02:37:00< PetePorty> I'm still on season 5
20100605 02:37:24< PetePorty> I'm in love with cuddy
20100605 02:37:31< PetePorty> she's hot
20100605 02:37:48< PetePorty> so.... yeah, bye
20100605 02:38:01< PetePorty> :)
20100605 02:38:08 * PetePorty is happier than hell
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20100605 02:58:43< elvish_sovereign> Back
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20100605 03:20:37< Fog> Hello?
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20100605 03:21:54< shadowmaster> HI
20100605 03:22:00< shadowmaster> QUITTER
20100605 03:22:03< shadowmaster> :P
20100605 03:22:43< shadowmaster> I could just load this module into shikadibot to ban whoever says "Hello?" "Anyone there?" and such like
20100605 03:24:48< Blarumyrran> You could instead have shikadibot give them an ultimatum
20100605 03:25:03< Blarumyrran> that if they change their name to something embarrassing within 10 seconds, they won't be banned
20100605 03:25:17< Blarumyrran> and an AI for evaluating the embarrassingness of the name too, of course
20100605 03:25:20< shadowmaster> you want to try that?
20100605 03:25:46< Blarumyrran> try making an AI for evaluating the embarrassingness of the name?
20100605 03:25:49< Blarumyrran> Sure sounds cool bro
20100605 03:25:57< shadowmaster> no, being a test subject
20100605 03:26:06< Blarumyrran> Oh, awesome
20100605 03:26:20< Blarumyrran> Hello?
20100605 03:27:08< shikadibot> burp
20100605 03:28:16< shadowmaster> I got a dopefish AI loaded instead
20100605 03:29:57< Gambit> Anyone there?
20100605 03:30:04< Gambit> sadness
20100605 03:30:42< shikadibot> swim
20100605 03:30:47< elvish_sovereign> hey shadowmaster, i see you're on MP. Wanna play a game?
20100605 03:31:04< shadowmaster> okay
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20100605 03:31:25< shadowmaster> you setu up?
20100605 03:31:29< elvish_sovereign> ok
20100605 03:31:49< elvish_sovereign> fallenstar lake
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20100605 03:33:36< shikadibot> swim
20100605 03:34:26< Gambit> shikadibot: marco
20100605 03:34:40-!- mode/#wesnoth [+o shikadibot] by ChanServ
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20100605 03:41:37< Gambit> POLO!
20100605 03:42:40< Blarumyrran> I think "hungry" was more original
20100605 03:43:29< Blarumyrran> If a human answered "polo", he'd be behaving like a robot - answering the one thing that people expect of him
20100605 03:43:41< Blarumyrran> Only a Truly Sentient Being would answer "hungry"
20100605 03:45:53< shadowmaster> I guess neither of you gets the reference
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20100605 03:47:19< Blarumyrran> I did after looking it up on wikipedia, actually
20100605 03:48:13< shadowmaster> so you didn't
20100605 03:48:46< Blarumyrran> yep. Never played keen
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20100605 04:02:18< Gambit> Blarumyrran: You didn't miss much.
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20100605 04:03:48< Blarumyrran> It looks like duke nukem from the screenshots
20100605 04:04:08< Blarumyrran> I never liked the (old 2d) duke nukems
20100605 04:04:52< shadowmaster> neither
20100605 04:05:11 * shadowmaster stares at Unnheulu's forum signature
20100605 04:07:48< shadowmaster> let me guess 
20100605 04:07:59< shadowmaster> tomorrow he'll join IRC and say "shadowmaster: sorry :P"
20100605 04:08:11< shadowmaster> "shadowmaster: do you like it?"
20100605 04:08:16< Gambit> shadowmaster: His signature! He's a spambot!
20100605 04:08:24< shadowmaster> "shadowmaster: I love you so much <3"
20100605 04:08:56< shadowmaster> and I'll say
20100605 04:09:01< shadowmaster> "Screen detached. That means my IRC session is running but I'm not connected to it. Please leave your messages; I'll read  them as soon as I can.
20100605 04:09:05< Gambit> The most sophisticated spambot this world has ever known.
20100605 04:09:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: Don't forget the AUTOMATED MESSAGE part
20100605 04:09:50< shadowmaster> either :P or one of :) ;) d: :D :]
20100605 04:10:03< shadowmaster> because he knows I hate that
20100605 04:10:07< Blarumyrran> :>
20100605 04:10:09< shadowmaster> GODDAMNIT
20100605 04:10:28< shadowmaster> Gambit: well' he's just imitating Zarel
20100605 04:10:40< Gambit> shadowmaster: "<AUTO-REPLY>: Screen detached. That means my IRC session is running but I'm not connected to it. Please leave your messages; I'll read them as soon as I can."
20100605 04:10:52< Gambit> ^is what your messages look like to me
20100605 04:10:59< Blarumyrran> Hm Zarel?
20100605 04:11:02< Gambit> Is that client specific?
20100605 04:11:04< shadowmaster> your client is doing that
20100605 04:11:08< shadowmaster> I don't have an autoreply
20100605 04:11:15< shadowmaster> I only set an waway message
20100605 04:11:24< shadowmaster> *away
20100605 04:12:56< Gambit> "Screen detached. That means my IRC session is running and I'm even connected to it. However, I don't feel like talking to you. Please leave your messages; I'll use them against you in a court of law as soon as I can."
20100605 04:12:58< shadowmaster> Gambit: how'd the experimental forum going btw?
20100605 04:13:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: Silent as the grave.
20100605 04:13:12< shadowmaster> *'s
20100605 04:13:24< shadowmaster> eyerouge posted to day
20100605 04:13:29< shadowmaster> that doesn't seem silent
20100605 04:13:39< shadowmaster> what the hell is wrong with my spelling tonight
20100605 04:13:40< Gambit> *well behaved as the dead
20100605 04:14:02< Gambit> <cfset message="as #message#">
20100605 04:14:32< shadowmaster> you know that I hate your CFML crap
20100605 04:14:48< Gambit> shadowmaster: I can add you to the list so that you can be alerted via IRC within 30 seconds of someone posting
20100605 04:14:55< shadowmaster> no
20100605 04:14:58< Gambit> (while my computer is turned on. results not guarenteed_
20100605 04:15:05< Gambit> s/_/)/
20100605 04:15:10< shadowmaster> I don't want to have anything to do with that forum
20100605 04:15:26< Gambit> Und yet you read eet.
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20100605 04:15:49< shadowmaster> that means that I'm not interested on being notified on every post
20100605 04:16:13< shadowmaster> this is like F & Era dev. or MP Development, I rarely watch them
20100605 04:16:27< shadowmaster> or WML Workshop, which is full of babies
20100605 04:16:32< Gambit> LOL
20100605 04:16:47< shadowmaster> or Writers' Forum, which is full of people who haven't realized that esr doesn't give a damn about their posts
20100605 04:16:50< Gambit> You're right though. I've not seen any cool projects in there in a while.
20100605 04:16:59< Gambit> *right about WML Workshop
20100605 04:17:19< shadowmaster> or Translations and i18n, which is ful of people who don't speak English
20100605 04:17:28< shadowmaster> (nah, just kidding about the last one)
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20100605 04:17:48< shadowmaster> or Game Development, which is full of people who talk about uninteresting subjects
20100605 04:18:28< Gambit> Or that third one in off to... -has throat slit by censcorship ninjas-
20100605 04:18:46< Gambit> Which is full of people who completely miss the point. :o
20100605 04:18:53< shadowmaster> or Music & Sound development, which only gets interesting when Doug Kaufman or West or Tyler Johnson publish a piece of heir own
20100605 04:18:59< shadowmaster> their own
20100605 04:19:41< Gambit> Strategies & Tips?
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20100605 04:19:57< shadowmaster> you want me to list every forum?
20100605 04:20:03< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster: did you read my posts in Website?
20100605 04:20:08< elvish_sovereign> I know you read that
20100605 04:20:23< shadowmaster> not only I read it
20100605 04:20:30< shadowmaster> I get email notifications for every new post or thread
20100605 04:20:39< Gambit> amazing
20100605 04:20:45< elvish_sovereign> wow
20100605 04:20:53< shadowmaster> which has become annoying ue to the avatar thread
20100605 04:21:22< Gambit> this thread had a funny ending: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=29732
20100605 04:21:32< shadowmaster> only yesteday I got 6 emails reminding me to read it
20100605 04:21:48< Gambit> shadowmaster: Just get an IRC bot to notify you
20100605 04:21:57< Gambit> IRC notifications = less annoyance than emails
20100605 04:22:07< shadowmaster> no, it's worse
20100605 04:22:14< shadowmaster> because I have to notice them amongst 70 windows
20100605 04:22:29< Gambit> Addicted to IRC
20100605 04:22:33< shadowmaster> aprox. 60 of which are actual channels, split across three networks
20100605 04:23:09< shadowmaster> that's what I get for working on more than one project
20100605 04:23:57< Blarumyrran> 60 projects
20100605 04:24:11< shadowmaster> nah, 4
20100605 04:24:27< shadowmaster> one of them has too many channels for my liking
20100605 04:24:31< Gambit> two of which must be on freenode
20100605 04:24:39< shadowmaster> the other is kind of split across two networks
20100605 04:25:48< shadowmaster> anyway
20100605 04:26:44< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: I tend not to like to depend on many third party add-ons, mainly because that can easily introuce new bugs on the forum and become a maintenance issue whenever a new mainline version is released (phpBB mainline)
20100605 04:27:15< elvish_sovereign> ah ok
20100605 04:27:34< elvish_sovereign> was just curious because no one responded
20100605 04:27:35< shadowmaster> now, using one that's not even maintained by the phpBB mod community...not sure
20100605 04:27:53< Gambit> oh 1.8.2 is out
20100605 04:27:54< shadowmaster> I don't want security holes ;) (I mean, extra security holes)
20100605 04:28:19< shadowmaster> I might consider it the next time I upgrade the forums though
20100605 04:29:03< Gambit> s/upgrade/pimp out.
20100605 04:29:20< elvish_sovereign> did you read about the one regarding the iPhone thread?
20100605 04:29:21< Gambit> speaking ofwhich
20100605 04:29:23< Gambit> the online button
20100605 04:29:27< Gambit> was an awesome upgrade
20100605 04:29:32< elvish_sovereign> yes yes
20100605 04:29:45< Gambit> shadowmaster: You got adequate thanks for that; yes?
20100605 04:29:49< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, that is a feature that could have been enabled long ago
20100605 04:29:56< shadowmaster> just nobody thought of it
20100605 04:29:57< shadowmaster> nobody == cycholka
20100605 04:30:13< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: what's with the iPhone thread?
20100605 04:30:39< shadowmaster> Gambit: you might remember that I also had to change its position
20100605 04:30:45< Gambit> Yes.
20100605 04:31:09< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster: no its just that i noticed a lot of newbies would post that kind of stuff in the Tech Support thread in stead of the actual thread
20100605 04:31:38< elvish_sovereign> because a lot of it had (at that time) to do with technical issues
20100605 04:31:59< shadowmaster> I believe I updated the sticky afterwards
20100605 04:32:10< elvish_sovereign> yeah i guess
20100605 04:32:39< shadowmaster> I agree that we want a separate subforum for the iPhone/iPad ports but the powers that be are not sure about that
20100605 04:33:05< elvish_sovereign> i see
20100605 04:33:05< shadowmaster> also I'm not sure about KylePoole's ability to pay attention to more than two threads at once :P
20100605 04:33:10< Gambit> haha
20100605 04:33:17< elvish_sovereign> lol
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20100605 04:34:48< Gambit> He should read every post on the forums as they come in.
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20100605 04:35:07< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: about http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=30252
20100605 04:35:15< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: all advanced preferences options are like that
20100605 04:35:25< shadowmaster> the checkbox is the actual toggle for the options above
20100605 04:35:38< elvish_sovereign> ? what do you mean?
20100605 04:35:56< shadowmaster> every time you select an option from the list the checkbox's title changes to reflect the selected option
20100605 04:36:15< elvish_sovereign> ohhh
20100605 04:36:18< shadowmaster> that's intentional since we can't have checkboxes embedded in list views (yet)
20100605 04:36:27< elvish_sovereign> right
20100605 04:36:33< elvish_sovereign> i feel stupid now
20100605 04:36:39< elvish_sovereign> lock the thread?
20100605 04:36:56< shadowmaster> you can delete it
20100605 04:37:24< elvish_sovereign> right
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20100605 04:52:37< Hulavuta> ...
20100605 04:53:12< elvish_sovereign> Hi Hulavuta
20100605 04:53:28< Hulavuta> Whoa, strange meeting you here
20100605 04:53:36< elvish_sovereign> me?
20100605 04:53:48< Hulavuta> Apparently. lol
20100605 04:53:59< Hulavuta> Want to play Mp?
20100605 04:54:09< elvish_sovereign> sure
20100605 04:54:18< Hulavuta> cool
20100605 04:54:29< Hulavuta> Want to do Legend of Wesmere? I always wanted to try it...
20100605 04:54:59< elvish_sovereign> I don't have time for a MP campaign, but we can do the first scenario
20100605 04:55:09< Hulavuta> k
20100605 04:55:11< elvish_sovereign> and second maybe
20100605 04:56:14< Hulavuta> Could you help me with my campaign a bit?
20100605 04:56:23< elvish_sovereign> in what sense?
20100605 04:56:27< Hulavuta> Balance
20100605 04:56:30< elvish_sovereign> oh
20100605 04:56:33< elvish_sovereign> somethings wrong
20100605 04:56:39< elvish_sovereign> in the LoW MP
20100605 04:56:51< Hulavuta> I know
20100605 04:57:00< Hulavuta> It fixes itself in the next scenario
20100605 04:57:17< Hulavuta> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=30250 here you go
20100605 04:58:11< elvish_sovereign> yuup
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20100605 04:58:53< Hulavuta> Yup what
20100605 04:59:00< Hulavuta> And are we the only ones here?
20100605 05:01:09< elvish_sovereign> maybe
20100605 05:03:02< shadowmaster> blah
20100605 05:03:16< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: you sayin' something?
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20100605 05:03:25< Hulavuta> Yes
20100605 05:05:14< Hulavuta> Edward: I'm Edward. I'm a vampire. Rawr
20100605 05:06:20< shadowmaster> gods
20100605 05:06:22< shadowmaster> twilight?
20100605 05:06:22< shadowmaster> twilight?not here!
20100605 05:09:03< Hulavuta> Can topics still be bumped?
20100605 05:09:32< shadowmaster> no
20100605 05:09:41< shadowmaster> you need to post in them
20100605 05:10:24< Hulavuta> should that part in the FAQ be taken out?>
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20100605 05:10:55< shadowmaster> what FAQ?
20100605 05:11:03< shadowmaster> this FAQ? http://forums.wesnoth.org/faq.php
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20100605 05:11:40< shadowmaster> [...] However, if you do not see this, then topic bumping may be disabled [...] It is also possible to bump the topic simply by replying to it, however, be sure to follow the board rules when doing so.
20100605 05:11:51< shadowmaster> I don't think that part needs to be taken out.
20100605 05:12:05< Hulavuta> Sovereign, I have a new match up
20100605 05:12:24< Hulavuta> ok
20100605 05:12:26< elvish_sovereign> hmm, i have to go at 11.30
20100605 05:12:31< Hulavuta> ok
20100605 05:12:33< Hulavuta> that's ok
20100605 05:12:54< elvish_sovereign> we'll play tmr
20100605 05:13:02< Hulavuta> k
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20100605 05:17:41< PetePorty> back
20100605 05:18:14< Gambit> to back
20100605 05:18:18< Gambit> nonstop
20100605 05:18:20< Gambit> commercial free
20100605 05:18:23< PetePorty> ...
20100605 05:18:46< PetePorty> voulez vouz coucher avec moi, Gambit?
20100605 05:18:48< PetePorty> :D
20100605 05:19:21< PetePorty> so....
20100605 05:20:30< shadowmaster> Gambit: don't spurt sexual innuendo in foreign languages
20100605 05:20:33< shadowmaster> er, PetePorty 
20100605 05:20:44< PetePorty> huh?
20100605 05:20:49< PetePorty> oh, ok
20100605 05:20:57< PetePorty> it's a song btw...just saying...
20100605 05:20:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: what if we disguise it as a homophone?
20100605 05:21:05< Gambit> s/as/with/
20100605 05:21:15< shadowmaster> Gambit: shut up
20100605 05:21:19< PetePorty> lol
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20100605 05:22:18< PetePorty> ...
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20100605 06:08:11< shadowmaster> PetePorty: shouldn't you have gone to bed already?
20100605 06:08:26< PetePorty> It's friday dude...
20100605 06:08:37< PetePorty> yeah, I'm sad and I don't party
20100605 06:08:41< PetePorty> I know.
20100605 06:08:43< shadowmaster> oh rly
20100605 06:08:45< shadowmaster> no, it's saturday
20100605 06:08:49< PetePorty> well
20100605 06:08:52< PetePorty> yeah
20100605 06:09:05< shadowmaster> I thought you were forced to go to bed early
20100605 06:09:31< PetePorty> nah ,its my own desition, if I don't I can't get up in the mornings
20100605 06:09:45< PetePorty> although my mom does tell me to go to bed...
20100605 06:10:32< PetePorty> O.o asi somos started... c ya in an hour... if you  go to bed before that, sleep well and good night. c ya guys.
20100605 06:10:48< shadowmaster> good night
20100605 06:12:00< PetePorty> damn comercials...
20100605 06:12:07< PetePorty> I'll leave in 10 secs or so...
20100605 06:13:37< PetePorty> damn youtube
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20100605 06:49:33< PetePorty>  back
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20100605 07:03:06< PetePorty> hey shad, see this: http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9939/perlitatrasera.png
20100605 07:03:43< shadowmaster> ahem
20100605 07:04:11< PetePorty> huh?
20100605 07:04:12< ancestral> Ewwwww
20100605 07:04:17< PetePorty> did you see it?
20100605 07:04:20< PetePorty> hahaha
20100605 07:04:26< shadowmaster> what ancestral said
20100605 07:04:35< shadowmaster> be thankful that I'm too sleepy to find the quiet button
20100605 07:04:41< ancestral> NSFW now has a new meaning
20100605 07:04:47< PetePorty> ok, I am thankful
20100605 07:04:51< ancestral> Not Safe For #Wesnoth
20100605 07:04:58< PetePorty> lol
20100605 07:05:10-!- mode/#wesnoth [+q *!*@pc-33-54-120-200.cm.vtr.net] by ChanServ
20100605 07:05:13< shadowmaster> guess what, I did find it after all!
20100605 07:05:22-!- mode/#wesnoth [-q *!*@pc-33-54-120-200.cm.vtr.net] by ChanServ
20100605 07:05:33< PetePorty> thanks
20100605 07:05:37< PetePorty> gee
20100605 07:05:43< PetePorty> I thought you'd laugh
20100605 07:05:50< shadowmaster> no
20100605 07:05:56< PetePorty> guess I have a twisted sense of humor...
20100605 07:06:03< shadowmaster> it's really have to make me laugh
20100605 07:06:18< PetePorty> hard?
20100605 07:06:22< shadowmaster> now, if you get splatted  by a steamroller, now that would make me laugh
20100605 07:06:24< shadowmaster> yes, I meant, hard
20100605 07:06:52< PetePorty> ...
20100605 07:06:56 * shadowmaster wishes Espreon did his steamroller thing.
20100605 07:08:36< PetePorty> ok shad, you MUST laugh with this one
20100605 07:08:41< PetePorty> http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2065/jizzelle.png
20100605 07:09:01< PetePorty> or this http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6917/largaydura.png
20100605 07:09:14< shadowmaster> ...
20100605 07:09:24< PetePorty> did you laugh?
20100605 07:09:42< PetePorty> ...larga y dura?
20100605 07:09:44< PetePorty> nope?
20100605 07:09:45< PetePorty> ok
20100605 07:09:53< shadowmaster> my sense of humor doesn't go along those lines
20100605 07:09:58 * PetePorty shuts up
20100605 07:10:03< PetePorty> oh...
20100605 07:10:04< shadowmaster> 01:06:21 <shadowmaster> now, if you get splatted  by a steamroller, now that would make me laugh
20100605 07:10:27< PetePorty> but... her mom died...and he made a joke... it was funny
20100605 07:14:02< shadowmaster> k
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20100605 07:38:03< PetePorty> k, I'm going to sleep, cuz the forums are boring right now...  c ya and sleep well.
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20100605 07:39:03< shadowmaster> best. reason. ever.
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20100605 08:18:42< hagabaka> <3 ooze campaign
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20100605 09:35:24< Ivanovic> moin
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20100605 11:48:32< SpoOkyMagician> meh, almost done with M.A.P.  ...I'll see if I can finish to tomorrow. :) good night all.
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20100605 12:26:48< daglees> Wesnoth rocks
20100605 12:27:29< Valkier> It does!
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20100605 12:33:45< daglees> I was wondering if I can update Wesnoth without downloading the entire package. I'm on Mac OS X.
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20100605 12:38:07< Blarumyrram> daglees, there's something called xdelta ( http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Download_Xdeltas ) but I don't really know what it is
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20100605 13:30:40< Ivanovic> daglees: basically: no
20100605 13:30:50< Ivanovic> (that is unless you got the older sources and compile yourself)
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20100605 14:16:56< Unnheulu> Anyone wanna do a multiplayer with me?
20100605 14:17:41< sevis> Are you any good, and what version?
20100605 14:17:47< Unnheulu> Useless, and 1.8 :)]
20100605 14:18:01< sevis> Create. :D
20100605 14:18:13< Unnheulu> Have done
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20100605 14:39:47< eyerouge> whats the planet called, were BfW takes place? 
20100605 14:40:11< Gambit> Irdya
20100605 14:40:32< Gambit> It orbits Sela
20100605 14:40:33< grzywacz> Why assume it's a planet?
20100605 14:40:45< Gambit> grzywacz: It is though.
20100605 14:40:56< Gambit> or rather it does
20100605 14:41:02< Gambit> ... take place on a planet.
20100605 14:41:11< grzywacz> Why do you think so?
20100605 14:41:16< zookeeper> only according to some UMC
20100605 14:41:28< Gambit> zookeeper: Like UtBS?
20100605 14:41:33< eyerouge> grzywacz: While it could be a dream/simulation or whatnot, I still figure it would be in the head of somebody that is located somehwere in space & time,.
20100605 14:41:39< zookeeper> UtBS doesn't say anything about planets
20100605 14:41:47< Gambit> It talks about suns.
20100605 14:42:15< Gambit> And the lore pages on the wiki.
20100605 14:42:25< eyerouge> Gambit: Is there a url with info on  Irdya (or Sela for that matter?)
20100605 14:42:43< eyerouge> Gambit: I'm scouring the wiki now... but not sure its all of it.
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20100605 14:44:11< Gambit> This was quite useful: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Future_History
20100605 14:44:22< eyerouge> Gambit: Thanks.
20100605 14:44:55< Gambit> I also talked with Aeth and esr about it in #wesnoth-thunderstone. But most of that pertained to those "some UMC" that haven't been made yet.
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20100605 14:45:14< grzywacz> eyerouge, it could simply be a "fantasy world" that's not influenced by our astronomical assumptions :P
20100605 14:45:56< Gambit> be right back
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20100605 14:46:50< eyerouge> grzywacz: While true, BfW seems to be make pretty conventional assumptions about reality, physics etc which all correspond well to how we experience it (well, except for the fact that most of us don't see gryphons with dwarfs in the air ect..)  
20100605 14:47:06< grzywacz> You forgot magic.
20100605 14:47:07< grzywacz> :P
20100605 14:47:19< Gambit> eyerouge: a tiny bit of this may be helpful: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net/logs/2010-03/%23wesnoth-thunderstone-2010-03-25.log
20100605 14:47:24< eyerouge> grzywacz: I also think it would make the story harder to understand for people if one takes out all of that and replaces it with funky explanations. ; ) 
20100605 14:47:30< Gambit> but that conversation was more space travel; less astronomy.
20100605 14:47:43< Gambit> Irdya's fake sun is called Neia by the way.
20100605 14:47:47< Gambit> If you needed that.
20100605 14:47:52< Gambit> The moon has no name yet.
20100605 14:47:59< Unnheulu> Aww
20100605 14:48:06< Unnheulu> I hate you sevis :P
20100605 14:48:07< eyerouge> Gambit: Neia? How come it's a "fake" sun?
20100605 14:48:24< Gambit> eyerouge: Well it's very real; I guess "artificial" would be a better term.
20100605 14:48:30< sevis> Heh, sorry?
20100605 14:48:42< Gambit> Well it's fake seeing as it's in a video game...
20100605 14:48:43< Gambit> erm.
20100605 14:48:47 * Gambit doesn't know what to say.
20100605 14:48:52< eyerouge> hehe
20100605 14:48:58< Gambit> The imaginary people on the imaginary planet in the video game created it with magic.
20100605 14:49:20< Gambit> It orbits Irdya afaik.
20100605 14:49:28< eyerouge> Gambit: Is there anything known about the tech level of _all_ of the surrounding planets? 
20100605 14:49:53< Gambit> eyerouge: So you are getting into space travel in wesnoth?
20100605 14:50:54< eyerouge> Gambit: No, I'm trying to check things out for the back story for WTactics... and I imagine there are planets around Ird. that have made more tech progress than the Ird-peoples.
20100605 14:51:16< Gambit> The other planets are uninhabited until the Irdyans colonize them.
20100605 14:51:23< eyerouge> Gambit: It's really hard for me since I'm not well versed in the wesnoth lore.
20100605 14:51:23< Gambit> Except for wherever the shaxthyls came from.
20100605 14:52:29< grzywacz> eyerouge, why explain at all?
20100605 14:52:30< Gambit> though there is apparently a race older than the irdyans.
20100605 14:52:37< Gambit> Because they find these portals everywhere...
20100605 14:52:52 * Gambit thinks someone was watching stargate when he wrote wesnoth's future lore.
20100605 14:53:45< eyerouge> grzywacz: Theres no need to explain anything, but I would rather offer _some_ kind of basic back story to how the universe looks like for those not acquainted with BfW or the lore of it. It adds fluff and ehcants the gameplay for whoever is nerd enough to appreciate it and care about it.
20100605 14:54:18< eyerouge> Gambit: Stargate is cheap compared to universe of Star Trek ; ) *proud trekkie*
20100605 14:54:39< Gambit> eyerouge: As far as astronomy; shadowmaster points at Aethaeryn. Aethaeryn points at shadowmaster and esr. And esr will remind you that nothing is set in stone yet because the campaigns are still being worked on (By Aethaeryn no less!).
20100605 14:55:05< eyerouge> lol
20100605 14:55:20< grzywacz> eyerouge, basic back story doesn't require providing any universe information besides stating that the world is there with such and such history. :)
20100605 14:55:34< eyerouge> Gambit: In other words, I'll write up whatever and it could be revised in the future...
20100605 14:56:05< Gambit> eyerouge: Well I agree with what grzywacz just said.
20100605 14:56:25< Gambit> In the "normal" time of wesnoth, they're not exactly concerned with their planet as a whole.
20100605 14:56:36< Gambit> Let alone the rest of their solar system, galaxy, and universe.
20100605 14:56:53< Gambit> Almost all the mainline campaigns are packed into one little continent.
20100605 14:57:08< eyerouge> Gambit: =)
20100605 14:57:10< Gambit> The characters on the cards you're making are so ignorant.
20100605 14:57:35< eyerouge> Gambit: Well, they are whatever we make of them ; ) 
20100605 14:57:35< Gambit> But yeah you could (read: will have to) just make something up and revise it later.
20100605 14:58:00< eyerouge> Gambit: Yups, I'll go with that, else it would be just research in vain pretty much.
20100605 14:58:36< Gambit> Another thing is, even in the half written cliffnotes version of future lore, there's a big gap between UtBS and the space age.
20100605 14:59:10< Gambit> And we can't say for sure how big of a gap because they switched to a new system of time D:
20100605 15:00:39< Gambit> s/even//
20100605 15:05:09< eyerouge> Gambit:  It's ok, I won't have hi-tech shit in WT even if the door is there to introduce "mystical artefacts"..
20100605 15:05:55< Vurt> Did someone say hi-tech
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20100605 15:09:02< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: So that's where you've been hiding!
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20100605 15:12:29< Unnheulu> sevis, anyways good job (a bit late?)
20100605 15:12:54< sevis> Thanks, you too.
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20100605 15:27:56< Unnheulu> I'm off; structuring this'll be hard
20100605 15:28:11< Unnheulu> Afaik python can't import module names stored in a variable
20100605 15:29:12< Unnheulu> Hey Gambit; is wesnoth in the milky way?
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20100605 15:36:41< Gambit> Unnheulu: According to ESR it isn't a possibility he has ruled out.
20100605 15:37:02< elias> Unnheulu: you can import modules by name in Python
20100605 15:37:18< elias> (no idea about the context here though so might not make sense)
20100605 15:38:03< Gambit> Unnheulu: actually I can't find where he said that
20100605 15:38:19< Gambit> but I remember him saying something along the lines of  "possibly our own galaxy"
20100605 15:39:25< Gambit> Unnheulu: (8:43:23 PM) esr: The galaxy is unnamed, and might be ours.
20100605 15:42:21< Gambit> Thanks to magic, the Irdyans are at a great time of space travel, and yet their science isn't very developed.
20100605 15:42:32< Gambit> They might not even have a concept for "galaxy"
20100605 15:43:58< Gambit> but all you'll get is mights and maybes
20100605 15:44:08< Gambit> until a campaign comes along to solidify everything
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20100605 16:15:18< Unnheulu> elias, I mean you can't do a=sys,os; import a ;P
20100605 16:15:20< Hulavuta> Screech and Thud
20100605 16:15:31< Unnheulu> Anyways; I need to work out how I'm gonna structure this
20100605 16:15:38< Unnheulu> Hiah Hulavuta
20100605 16:15:44< elias> Unnheulu: you can do: imp.load_module(a) or something like that though
20100605 16:16:27< Unnheulu> elias, or I could force people to just name the main file for their campaigns to main.py or something along those lines
20100605 16:16:57< elias> what are you trying to do?
20100605 16:17:13< Unnheulu> elias, don't worry :P
20100605 16:17:22< Unnheulu> (YAML/Python hybrid for scripting)
20100605 16:17:28< Hulavuta> Spam
20100605 16:17:54< elias> Unnheulu: for wesnoth?
20100605 16:17:55 * Unnheulu has never tried spam
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20100605 16:18:07< Unnheulu> elias, for my own game, which is why I said don't worry ;)
20100605 16:18:12< elias> i feel Lua is actually quite ideal for Wesnoth
20100605 16:18:20< elias> ah, yeah, can make sense for another game of course
20100605 16:20:58< Unnheulu> Bah, forgotten my pyweek login again >.>
20100605 16:21:40< Unnheulu> elias, are you allephant or elias on pyweek? Forgot :P
20100605 16:22:01< elias> neither
20100605 16:22:09< Unnheulu> Ahm; that makes things tough
20100605 16:22:12< elias> allefant as far as i know
20100605 16:22:20< Unnheulu> Aha
20100605 16:22:36< elias> when is the next pyweek?
20100605 16:22:48< Unnheulu> Dunno, probably september
20100605 16:23:01< elias> ohh, i hope it's late september
20100605 16:23:06< Unnheulu> Allefant 5 is fun :)
20100605 16:23:38< elias> i'll be swamped in work all summer... but october i might be able to reserve a weekend, would really love to do a pyweek again some time
20100605 16:23:52< Unnheulu> More to the point, when is ludumdare
20100605 16:23:56< Unnheulu> I *always* miss it
20100605 16:23:58< elias> April each year
20100605 16:24:05< elias> easy to remember :P
20100605 16:24:11< Unnheulu> Thought it was bi or tri-annual?
20100605 16:24:15< elias> yeah
20100605 16:24:26< elias> don't know about the others, but there's one each April
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20100605 16:24:42< Unnheulu> MiniLD next week
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20100605 16:26:49< Unnheulu> Hey elias, is game maker allowed for ludumdare?
20100605 16:26:57< elias> i think so
20100605 16:28:05< Unnheulu> Bah that sucks
20100605 16:28:08< elias> like half of the entries used Unity last time which has built-in editors for several things as well
20100605 16:28:33< elias> of course it doesn't work in Linux so I couldn't play them :P
20100605 16:28:49 * Unnheulu smirks
20100605 16:28:59< Unnheulu> I guess no game maker games would win because of that
20100605 16:29:11< Unnheulu> (Linux users not voting for them)
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20100605 16:42:39< Gambit> Aww shadowmaster will be gone for an entire week.
20100605 16:50:04< Unnheulu> Really?
20100605 16:50:21< Unnheulu> A week with no-one banning me?
20100605 16:51:28< Gambit> quieting!
20100605 16:51:36< Unnheulu> Andbanning
20100605 16:51:37< Gambit> Actually I guess you did get banned the other day. :P
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20100605 17:03:50< Unnheulu> Gambit, can geb be played against ai?
20100605 17:04:00< Gambit> Unnheulu: They don't know how to build.
20100605 17:04:12< Gambit> But it comes with "fighting" factions.
20100605 17:04:12< Unnheulu> Can it be played solo?
20100605 17:04:23< Gambit> You can set the AI to those fighting factions and give them triple gold.
20100605 17:04:31< Unnheulu> ok then I guess
20100605 17:04:33< Gambit> Unnheulu: GEB+Survival extreme is a great solo game.
20100605 17:04:46 * Unnheulu dislikes survivals
20100605 17:05:03< Unnheulu> eb or ebe?
20100605 17:05:08< Gambit> Well when combined with GEB it's not much of a survival anymore.
20100605 17:05:25< Gambit> It's just a really challenging to beat AI side.
20100605 17:05:27< Unnheulu> empire builder or empire builder extended?
20100605 17:05:36< Gambit> extended
20100605 17:05:39< Gambit> It's way more fun.
20100605 17:05:49< Gambit> The regular one is only for if you're hosting an MP game and not everyone has it.
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20100605 17:06:03< Gambit> Zerovirus: DID YOU SEE?!
20100605 17:06:09< Zerovirus> see what?
20100605 17:06:14< Gambit> Zerovirus: shadowmaster called you awesome!
20100605 17:06:17< Zerovirus> Yeah I did
20100605 17:06:19< Zerovirus> and I replied
20100605 17:06:35< Unnheulu> Gambit, fighters lvl0 1 or 2/
20100605 17:06:36< Zerovirus> basically saying that he's one of the people who got me started in sprites
20100605 17:06:40< Zerovirus> which is very true
20100605 17:06:41< Unnheulu> Zerovirus, linkage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20100605 17:06:45< Unnheulu> GIMMEGIMMEGIMME
20100605 17:06:51< Zerovirus> Somehow I feel this is a bigger deal than I thought
20100605 17:06:55< Gambit> Unnheulu: Well whatever you feel you'll be able to handle :P
20100605 17:07:11< Unnheulu> I'll do level 0 then^^
20100605 17:07:12< Zerovirus> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26185&start=510
20100605 17:07:17< Zerovirus> What are we talking about?
20100605 17:07:23< Gambit> GEB
20100605 17:07:43< Zerovirus> What, you're picking up that old cadaver again?
20100605 17:07:49< Gambit> Zerovirus: No.
20100605 17:07:56< Gambit> But Unnheulu has decided to play it.
20100605 17:08:03< Gambit> Zerovirus: Dynamica is moving!
20100605 17:08:08< Zerovirus> YAY
20100605 17:08:18< Gambit> I almost have redone everything I had done before.
20100605 17:08:24< Zerovirus> ... sigh coding
20100605 17:08:26< Gambit> But... better.
20100605 17:08:36< Gambit> Because now I can inject things into it.
20100605 17:08:37< Zerovirus> with art at least once I get something done I don't have to upgrade it every time
20100605 17:08:41< Unnheulu> Wow
20100605 17:08:47< Zerovirus> wow what?
20100605 17:08:52< Unnheulu> That thread
20100605 17:08:56< Gambit> Zerovirus: Well don't you ever learn new things and decide to spruce up old pieces?
20100605 17:09:01< Unnheulu> Zerovirus, you don't have to upgrade code all the time :)
20100605 17:09:02< Zerovirus> Very rarely
20100605 17:09:07< Unnheulu> You just have to upgrade wml all the time :P
20100605 17:09:10< Gambit> like "oh that could be so much better looking now"
20100605 17:09:21< Zerovirus> The only one I remember upgrading was my very first sprite as kind of a self-proof of skill
20100605 17:09:35< Unnheulu> Or if you write awful code like me
20100605 17:09:38< Unnheulu> Haha:
20100605 17:09:42< Zerovirus> I'm considering doing a Tapestry of Life in which I add a little piece of pixel art to it every day and maintain it throughout life
20100605 17:09:43< Unnheulu> Head Programmer: Gambit
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20100605 17:09:46< Zerovirus> to see how much I can improve
20100605 17:09:50< Unnheulu> Head Map Designer: Gambit
20100605 17:09:57< Unnheulu> Lead Beta Tester: Gambit
20100605 17:09:58< PetePorty> Hi guys
20100605 17:10:00< Zerovirus> and then add it into my will; "post on Pixeljoint when I die"
20100605 17:10:05< Unnheulu> Hiah
20100605 17:10:07< Gambit> Unnheulu: I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH HELP OKAY!
20100605 17:10:08< Gambit> lol
20100605 17:10:11< Zerovirus> It'd be huge. A thousand times larger than a computer screen heh
20100605 17:10:27< Unnheulu> Gambit...I'm stuck
20100605 17:10:37< Gambit> Unnheulu: Recruit some peasants.
20100605 17:10:40< Unnheulu> WHAT DO i DO????/
20100605 17:10:42< Unnheulu> Ok, thanks
20100605 17:10:46< Unnheulu> How many?.
20100605 17:11:08< Unnheulu> hmm, godly bonus resources sounds nice
20100605 17:11:13< Zerovirus> oh god no
20100605 17:11:17< Zerovirus> stop making everything EXTREME
20100605 17:11:22< PetePorty> hey Un, did you know I won against shadowmaster?
20100605 17:11:34< Unnheulu> Really?
20100605 17:11:36< Unnheulu> Cool
20100605 17:11:38< PetePorty> yep
20100605 17:11:48< Zerovirus> seriously?
20100605 17:11:53< PetePorty> I?' so happy
20100605 17:11:56< Gambit> Unnheulu: I used to have names to put in those slots.
20100605 17:11:58< PetePorty> I'm*
20100605 17:12:04< PetePorty> yes, seriously
20100605 17:12:06< Zerovirus> I'd probably lose though
20100605 17:12:08< Gambit> Unnheulu: But people didnt' help much with 3.0 or 4.0
20100605 17:12:15< Gambit> s/much/at all really/
20100605 17:12:32< Zerovirus> Don't tell anyone, but my first sprite used a pallete I stole from one of Shadowmaster's sprites. Namely, one of his Shaxthal.
20100605 17:12:44< Unnheulu> Gambit, my units are stuck
20100605 17:12:45 * Gambit tells the world
20100605 17:12:49< PetePorty> O.o
20100605 17:12:54< Zerovirus> :P
20100605 17:12:54< Zerovirus> screw u gamb
20100605 17:13:09< Gambit> Gallaecio: You picked the big map didn't you?
20100605 17:13:12< Gambit> Ooops
20100605 17:13:15< Gambit> wtf highlighter
20100605 17:13:19< Unnheulu> Yes
20100605 17:13:19< Gambit> Gallaecio: sorry :s
20100605 17:13:26< Gambit> Unnheulu: The AI doesn't know how to play that.
20100605 17:13:33< Gambit> Unnheulu: But to get your units out use the teleporter
20100605 17:13:34< Unnheulu> I don't care
20100605 17:13:38< Unnheulu> It'll be fun anyway
20100605 17:13:39< Gambit> Unnheulu: It's that ford thing in the corner.
20100605 17:13:47< Gambit> Unnheulu: Move a unit there and right click
20100605 17:13:48< Zerovirus> Yeah Gambit that thing is way too old
20100605 17:13:54< Gambit> Zerovirus: Indeed.
20100605 17:13:56< Zerovirus> one day it'll be unplayable after code updates
20100605 17:14:01 * Unnheulu moves his king
20100605 17:14:05< Zerovirus> CHECKMATE
20100605 17:14:17< Zerovirus> WITH A LV0 PAWN
20100605 17:14:44< Unnheulu> Gambit, there isn't a nowhere options
20100605 17:14:57< Gambit> You can't teleport to "nowhere"
20100605 17:14:59< Unnheulu> I've lost my king
20100605 17:15:06< Unnheulu> No idea where he is
20100605 17:15:09< Zerovirus> Oh hey guys did you know Turin actually appeared at the forums again yesterday? I dont' think he posted anything, though...
20100605 17:15:10< Gambit> :\
20100605 17:15:12< Zerovirus> lol
20100605 17:15:13< Gambit> It gives you coordinates.
20100605 17:15:15< Zerovirus> use "N"
20100605 17:15:24< Unnheulu> I did
20100605 17:15:26< Gambit> Zerovirus: He pops up like once a month.
20100605 17:15:27< Unnheulu> It won't work
20100605 17:15:34< Gambit> Unnheulu: Just look on the mini map.
20100605 17:15:39< Zerovirus> And he doesn't ever say anything? Ugh.
20100605 17:15:43< Unnheulu> I think I sent him to the beach
20100605 17:15:46< Gambit> Unnheulu: Send more units there
20100605 17:15:50< Gambit> Unnheulu: the dot wil lget bigger :D
20100605 17:15:52< Unnheulu> I can't
20100605 17:15:53< Zerovirus> Well let him have his vacation then
20100605 17:15:55< Unnheulu> They are all farming
20100605 17:16:05< Gambit> Unnheulu: farming in the start zone?
20100605 17:16:08 * Gambit suspicious
20100605 17:16:10< Unnheulu> Yes...
20100605 17:16:17< Unnheulu> Farming gold
20100605 17:16:20< Unnheulu> And They won't stop!
20100605 17:16:29< Zerovirus> ooookay
20100605 17:16:32< Unnheulu> oh
20100605 17:16:33< Unnheulu> I know
20100605 17:16:34< Gambit> Apparently it's hard to learn how to play GEB.
20100605 17:16:44< PetePorty> yes
20100605 17:16:44< Unnheulu> I set the three other sides as human not ai
20100605 17:16:49< PetePorty> really hard
20100605 17:17:20< Gambit> Good.
20100605 17:17:21< Zerovirus> I never bothered learning
20100605 17:17:23 * Unnheulu droids
20100605 17:17:24< Zerovirus> >..
20100605 17:17:25< Gambit> It won't get any new players.
20100605 17:17:30< Gambit> And the old ones will get bored.
20100605 17:17:32< Gambit> And then it will die.
20100605 17:17:35< Zerovirus> so you want it to die?
20100605 17:17:37< Unnheulu> Gambit, what is the castle called?
20100605 17:17:38< Gambit> Yes.
20100605 17:17:40< Unnheulu> The old castle?
20100605 17:17:49< Unnheulu> Uhoh
20100605 17:17:49< Gambit> Unnheulu: coordinates dude
20100605 17:17:50< Unnheulu> It isn't
20100605 17:17:56< Zerovirus> I'm thinking that siege weapons should get 60% to hit when attacking fortified or keep squares at all times.
20100605 17:18:07< PetePorty> why don't you make a tutorial?
20100605 17:18:07< Zerovirus> Kinda nonsequitur but there.
20100605 17:18:14< Zerovirus> Gambit? Make a tutorial?
20100605 17:18:15< Zerovirus> Yeah right
20100605 17:18:17< Gambit> PetePorty: I tried. It was lame.
20100605 17:18:32< Gambit> Zerovirus: Don't joke. I'm supposed to be working on *the* tutorial.
20100605 17:18:33< Unnheulu> Gambit, I'll make a tutorial and post it on the forums for you :)
20100605 17:18:36< Gambit> But there's a bug with 1.8
20100605 17:18:42< Unnheulu> Then you'll get loads of players
20100605 17:18:45< Gambit> So I'm waiting for 1.9
20100605 17:18:46< PetePorty> but... who cares about lameness, its just to learn 
20100605 17:18:59 * Gambit kicks 1.8
20100605 17:19:15< Unnheulu> Gambit, there is no lighthouse at the old lighthouse
20100605 17:19:21< Zerovirus> lolwut
20100605 17:19:22< Gambit> Unnheulu: But there was!
20100605 17:19:30< Gambit> It's so old
20100605 17:19:32< Gambit> it crumbled into dust
20100605 17:19:41< Unnheulu> anyways, bye
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20100605 17:20:38< Gambit> Yeah the bug is that the passive_ai no longer sits and behaves.
20100605 17:20:42< Gambit> It gets up and rooches around.
20100605 17:20:44< Gambit> Goes looking for food.
20100605 17:20:49< Gambit> Breaks things.
20100605 17:20:58< Zerovirus> Uh-huh.
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20100605 17:38:04< Zerovirus> Well about that "going back to fix old pieces" thing, I decided to go and fix up my boneweaver.
20100605 17:38:09< Zerovirus> I figure if I do just a bit more work I can get another mainline piece.
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20100605 17:49:54< Zerovirus> whoo broken connections rock
20100605 17:54:28< Gambit> Get a haircut
20100605 17:54:32< Gambit> and get a real client
20100605 17:54:44< Gambit> (not pidgin) >_>
20100605 17:55:39< Zerovirus> Right
20100605 17:56:35< Zerovirus> I'm beginning to realize how full of myself I am. v.v
20100605 17:56:39< Gambit> I think once I get finished rewriting this I'll release a public demo of the space generation.
20100605 17:56:58< Gambit> Or maybe I'll wait until after I also have the planet part done too.
20100605 17:57:11< Zerovirus> yayyy
20100605 17:57:21< Zerovirus> I still wish the planets could be in orbit though
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20100605 17:57:38< Zerovirus> And again, why doesn't Wesnoth have a waypoint system?
20100605 17:57:46< Zerovirus> Like every other freaking strategy game?
20100605 17:58:22< VurtualRuler98> because it isn't realtime
20100605 17:58:53< Zerovirus> But waypoints would make many other scenario design possibilities come true
20100605 17:59:03< Zerovirus> for example- preprogrammed patrol paths for an infiltration scenario
20100605 17:59:10< Zerovirus> or like I said, planetary orbits
20100605 17:59:33 * Gambit doesn't even want to think about the math involved in moving an object around in an orbit
20100605 17:59:33< Zerovirus> Waypoints could have priorities; if a waypoint's priority is higher than combat, then the AI does not stop when attacked
20100605 17:59:49< Zerovirus> What? Just make a circle of 6 waypoints and set them into a loop.
20100605 18:00:04< Gambit> Zerovirus: But planets can be spawned anywhere in an orbit
20100605 18:00:12< Gambit> Some orbits are larger than others.
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20100605 18:00:20< Zerovirus> Oh Hm...
20100605 18:00:27< Gambit> hence: math
20100605 18:00:35< Zerovirus> god I need to stop psuedocoding when I don't even know how to code at all :P
20100605 18:00:55< Gambit> OR
20100605 18:01:02< Zerovirus> Or learn to code?
20100605 18:01:08< Gambit> And this is just you know; throwing this out there...
20100605 18:01:12< Gambit> Yeah. Learn to code.
20100605 18:01:50< Zerovirus> ehh... probably not
20100605 18:02:05< Zerovirus> I've always dreamed of being a one man game factory like Pixel is
20100605 18:02:13< Zerovirus> but I don't think that's happening...
20100605 18:02:50< Zerovirus> What campaign does the spider lich appear in again?
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20100605 18:04:07< Zerovirus> oh. oh wow. UtBS is a treasure trove of stuff I can work on
20100605 18:04:41< elvish_sovereign> UtBS? Really?
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20100605 18:04:59< Zerovirus> Look at the units in trunk
20100605 18:05:04< Zerovirus> lessee... THe naga line for one
20100605 18:05:06< Zerovirus> human commander
20100605 18:05:15< Zerovirus> maybe even giant ant
20100605 18:05:21< elvish_sovereign> oh I thought you were talking about playing it.
20100605 18:05:28< Zerovirus> definitely the naga
20100605 18:05:33< elvish_sovereign> Yuup.
20100605 18:05:35< Zerovirus> dark assassin
20100605 18:05:42< Zerovirus> and finally the Spiderlich which I'm working on. Again.
20100605 18:06:17< Zerovirus> man, My Pictures is so disorganized
20100605 18:06:21< Zerovirus> I have to clean up my mess someday
20100605 18:06:37< elvish_sovereign> If you fix up the naga assassin, i'll be putting that in my campaign :)
20100605 18:06:52< elvish_sovereign> hunter, I mean
20100605 18:07:39< Zerovirus> oh wow looking at all this old stuff
20100605 18:07:45< Zerovirus> I'm like "wow I sucked at spriting back when"
20100605 18:08:05< Zerovirus> The naga Hunter's a one unit thing... Sure, i can do that pretty fast
20100605 18:08:16< Zerovirus> I'll get to it rite now :)
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20100605 18:09:43< Zerovirus> man, closed art development is heaven for frankensteins :P
20100605 18:11:07< zookeeper> Zerovirus, looking for frankenstein material?
20100605 18:11:19< Zerovirus> Stuff that hasn't been used before as frankie material yes
20100605 18:11:29< Zerovirus> Like for example previous versions of mermen with different armors
20100605 18:11:33< Zerovirus> that were changed before commit
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20100605 18:11:40< zookeeper> ok...
20100605 18:11:56< Zerovirus> I'm actually just looking for a naked naga base and picking up cool tidbits as I go :P
20100605 18:12:20< zookeeper> i was just thinking of imagebinning an ancient huge spritesheet by neoriceisgood, but if that's not what you're looking for...
20100605 18:12:57< Zerovirus> Oooh show me anyways
20100605 18:13:03< Zerovirus> I like picking up cool sprites
20100605 18:13:52< Zerovirus> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8426&start=795
20100605 18:13:56< Zerovirus> look at that hoplite shield
20100605 18:14:00< Zerovirus> such a cool thing to let go to waste :P
20100605 18:14:14< Gambit> Zerovirus: It can now force a specific planet, or randomize. All that's left is to make it start storing things coherently again.
20100605 18:14:17< zookeeper> http://imagebin.org/100027 - i think there's an even bigger one than that, but i can't find it now
20100605 18:14:22< Zerovirus> It?
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20100605 18:14:43< Zerovirus> Oooh, I recognize some of these but that blue dragon I've never seen before
20100605 18:15:01< Zerovirus> They're all oversaturated, but that's Neorice's old style isn't it/
20100605 18:15:11 * Zerovirus saves the image
20100605 18:15:51< zookeeper> yeah, those are all really old
20100605 18:17:35< Zerovirus> man, Jet needs to commit that new Sylph already
20100605 18:17:48< Zerovirus> looking at it makes my mouth water, and I'm speaking literally
20100605 18:20:02< zookeeper> Zerovirus, surely you've looked at http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Contrib:Neoriceisgood already?
20100605 18:20:23< zookeeper> there's a fun naga-like thing on http://exong.net/wesnoth-attach/files/wesnothmonsters_145.png
20100605 18:20:54< Zerovirus> Oh yes, I've been there
20100605 18:21:01< Zerovirus> I have that saved... somewhere.
20100605 18:21:04< zookeeper> ok, just checking
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20100605 18:25:59< Blitzmerker> Hi, is there a way to "disable" the "End Turn Button"?
20100605 18:27:41< VurtualRuler98> Why would you never want to end your turn?
20100605 18:28:10< Blitzmerker> I want the player to do something before he can end his turn
20100605 18:31:11< VurtualRuler98> cause all his units to be on fire or something due to mysterious circumstances if he doesn't?
20100605 18:31:31< zookeeper> Blitzmerker, no, not possible
20100605 18:32:02< zookeeper> in theory you could make a custom theme which wouldn't have the button at all, but you still couldn't prevent the player from using a key combo
20100605 18:32:24< zookeeper> what is it that the player absolutely must do first?
20100605 18:33:21< Blitzmerker> his turn XD
20100605 18:33:37< Zerovirus> Uhhh
20100605 18:33:38< Zerovirus> wha
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20100605 18:50:37< elvish_sovereign> Blitzmerker: what?
20100605 18:50:44< Unnheulu> It's you!
20100605 18:50:45< Unnheulu> Hello
20100605 18:51:06< elvish_sovereign> Hi Unnheulu
20100605 18:51:53< Unnheulu> elvish_sovereign, btw, all an auto-updater would do is to grab the latest executable off the internet; uninstall wesnoth, and install the new executable
20100605 18:51:55< Unnheulu> Pretty much
20100605 18:52:28< elvish_sovereign> I know
20100605 18:52:50< elvish_sovereign> But if someone wants it, someone's gotta make it, right?
20100605 18:53:51< Gambit> auto updater: SVN
20100605 18:53:56< Unnheulu> Indeed
20100605 18:54:05< Gambit> except you've got to type in two commands
20100605 18:54:13< Gambit> so it's not really that auto.
20100605 18:54:17< Gambit> But it makes it faster.
20100605 18:54:22< Gambit> Because it only cares about things that have been changed.
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20100605 18:54:29< sevis> Auto updater: Package manager?
20100605 18:55:04< Unnheulu> elvish_sovereign, http://www.cplusplus.com/
20100605 18:55:33< Gambit> *d
20100605 18:55:35< Gambit> :D
20100605 18:55:49< elvish_sovereign> Unnheulu, you want me to learn C++ now?
20100605 18:56:05< techshoe> ha good luck with that elvish_sovereign :p 
20100605 18:56:06< Unnheulu> elvish_sovereign, code it then :)
20100605 18:56:20< elvish_sovereign> no, I'm not a coder
20100605 18:56:47< elvish_sovereign> Why don't you?
20100605 18:57:31< Gambit> Unnheulu: YEAH!
20100605 18:57:47< Unnheulu> Because i'm coding my own game :)
20100605 18:58:09< Gambit> And he only knows python.
20100605 18:58:28< Gambit> which is a platypus
20100605 18:58:30< Gambit> it doesn't do much
20100605 18:58:32< Blitzmerker> sorry was afk
20100605 18:58:38< Unnheulu> Gambit, I don't!
20100605 18:58:47< Unnheulu> I know php, learning java  and cpp :P
20100605 18:59:15< sevis> Unnheulu: Have you tried plain C?
20100605 18:59:23< Unnheulu> sevis, old-school?
20100605 18:59:47< sevis> Yep.
20100605 18:59:52< sevis> Well, I dunno.
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20100605 19:00:10< sevis> I mean, without the C++ Standard Library, and without the STL containers.
20100605 19:00:17< sevis> And all that other extra stuff.
20100605 19:00:18< Zerovirus> finally finished the naga hunter
20100605 19:00:32< elvish_sovereign> Zerovirus: really?
20100605 19:00:43< Blitzmerker> zookeeper: if it is not possible to prevent ending a turn, can I end the turn of the other player(s) so it is his turn again (without crashing the game besause of segfault)?
20100605 19:00:44< Zerovirus> yeah, posting in my thread in a sec
20100605 19:01:39< zookeeper> Blitzmerker, sure, with [end_turn]. but i'm not sure if that still causes OOS in MP or not.
20100605 19:01:42< Zerovirus> posted now
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20100605 19:02:19< Blitzmerker> the [ent_turn] caused segfaults sometimes (wesnoth 1.8.1)
20100605 19:02:22< elvish_sovereign> Yes! Looks much better!
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20100605 19:02:32< elvish_sovereign> Great job Zerovirus!
20100605 19:02:37< Zerovirus> Why thank you.
20100605 19:03:05< zookeeper> Blitzmerker, well then you can also just prevent the other players from doing anything on their next turn...and maybe even set controller=ai for them, although i'm not sure how well that'd work in MP, if at all.
20100605 19:03:13< zookeeper> either way there's no good solution
20100605 19:03:36< Gambit> Zerovirus: That is awesome!
20100605 19:03:46< Zerovirus> I should take UtBS as a personal project
20100605 19:03:53< Zerovirus> resprite all the old stuff that should be replaced
20100605 19:04:16< Zerovirus> I mean, I feel kinda guilty sporting a blue name for something that isn't even distributed with the game yet
20100605 19:04:46< Zerovirus> why is it whenever I finish a sprite I feel really really hungry
20100605 19:05:33< Gambit> Magic comes at a price.
20100605 19:06:25< Zerovirus> What are we talking about again?
20100605 19:07:03< Gambit> Zerovirus: Why spriting always make you hungry!
20100605 19:07:19< Zerovirus> I was going to make a joke about MtG cards costing too much...
20100605 19:07:19< Gambit> You have to eat food to replenish your mana.
20100605 19:07:24< Zerovirus> Uhh...
20100605 19:07:30< Gambit> Have you never played an arepeegee?
20100605 19:07:33< Zerovirus> I don't think my skills are magic based
20100605 19:07:52< elvish_sovereign> Gambit: lol
20100605 19:07:59< Zerovirus> In most RPGs I make, food replenishes health at a slow rate, drinks replenish mana at a slow rate, and potions are instant heal/regen
20100605 19:08:30< VurtualRuler98> Food makes you not hungry, obviously.
20100605 19:08:45< Zerovirus> Why does the divine avatar in UtBS not have its own awesome custom sprite?
20100605 19:08:47< Zerovirus> This must be remedied.
20100605 19:09:04< Zerovirus> and it uses the elvish lady from an ancient version of Wesnoth!
20100605 19:09:06< Zerovirus> Ugh.
20100605 19:09:33< VurtualRuler98> He is eternal, obviously, and calls upon an ancient form.
20100605 19:09:49< Zerovirus> No, Eternal is someone else
20100605 19:09:54< Zerovirus> someone who I may add is way better than I am
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20100605 19:10:28< Zerovirus> also, I really think the desert elves should ride something besides horses. Horses don't work well in deserts.
20100605 19:10:35< Blitzmerker> zookeeper:hmm, thx for your help
20100605 19:10:36< Zerovirus> Maybe Gambit's ostrich riders would work.
20100605 19:12:06< VurtualRuler98> Sand sharks? Scorpions? Snaaakes?
20100605 19:12:18< Gambit> You mean Gambit's ostrich riders™
20100605 19:12:40< VurtualRuler98> Giant snaakes.
20100605 19:13:04< Zerovirus> That's one thing I've never liked about addon factions
20100605 19:13:12< Zerovirus> They always have to have an exotic rider mount thing to add flavor
20100605 19:13:17< Zerovirus> I find that it's a cheap method
20100605 19:13:25< Zerovirus> And positively absurd at times
20100605 19:13:37< elvish_sovereign> What about lizards?
20100605 19:13:46< elvish_sovereign> They make sense considering the terrain
20100605 19:13:57< elvish_sovereign> But elves and lizards...
20100605 19:14:12< VurtualRuler98> "We are elf ripoff 3! Sworn enemy of elf ripoff 6! We ride OTHER ELVES!"
20100605 19:14:21< Zerovirus> OMG BEST IDEA YET
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20100605 19:14:41< VurtualRuler98> Elf ripoff 6 rides underappreciated concepts.
20100605 19:14:42< elvish_sovereign> yesyes
20100605 19:14:48< Zerovirus> Wait, how would riding other elves work?
20100605 19:14:54< Gambit> Wheelbarrow
20100605 19:14:55< elvish_sovereign> Im kidding
20100605 19:14:57< Zerovirus> NO WAIT ELVES THAT RIDE DAWORFS
20100605 19:15:07< Zerovirus> http://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/C/Dawarf.html
20100605 19:15:10< Zerovirus> :D
20100605 19:15:15< Gambit> Zerovirus: http://www.barbarasmithoccupationaltherapist.com/wheelbarrowwalkingtwenty.jpg
20100605 19:15:17< VurtualRuler98> Like how a kid that sits on someone's shoulders, except for an adult eft.
20100605 19:15:24< VurtualRuler98> They cannot enter anything with a roof, including villages and caves.
20100605 19:15:30< Zerovirus> what the eloh
20100605 19:15:56< Zerovirus> Anyways do you guys want me to do a specific unit from UtBS next or should I go back to tinkering with my spiderlich?
20100605 19:16:03< Gambit> Zerovirus: OSTRICHES!
20100605 19:16:11< VurtualRuler98> We're really running out of ideas for fantasy creatures now.
20100605 19:16:13< VurtualRuler98> Spiderliches?
20100605 19:16:27< Zerovirus> That's been in UtBS for as long as I can remember
20100605 19:16:28< elvish_sovereign> The human commander
20100605 19:16:29< Zerovirus> which is like a year
20100605 19:16:36< Zerovirus> oh, the human will be easy
20100605 19:16:44< VurtualRuler98> What's next? Bearwraiths?
20100605 19:16:49< zookeeper> Zerovirus, do you do base frames only or animations too?
20100605 19:16:51< Zerovirus> I'll rip some palletes from the aragwaithi and do a bit of frankencustoms.
20100605 19:17:05< Zerovirus> Well, if you require anims for commits I can do that too, but I usually only do bases.
20100605 19:17:40< Zerovirus> http://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/C/Spider%20Lich.html
20100605 19:17:42< zookeeper> ok. well, there's those custom nagas in UtBS which have lousy and tiny old-style sprites. i bet those are used in quite a few UMC too.
20100605 19:17:54< Zerovirus> Yeah, the Naga warden, sentinel, and the Naga hunter
20100605 19:17:58< Zerovirus> I just redid the Hunter :P
20100605 19:18:01< zookeeper> oh
20100605 19:18:19< Zerovirus> It's sitting in my thread
20100605 19:18:20< artisticdude-Mac> I just say that. It looks cool. ;)
20100605 19:18:23< Zerovirus> no transparency yet though
20100605 19:18:36< Zerovirus> I'll put the technical aspects in once people tell me how it is.
20100605 19:18:44< Zerovirus> As it is I'm not sure it's commit worthy
20100605 19:18:49< Zerovirus> it's certainly an improvement though
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20100605 19:19:48< Zerovirus> So, it's human commander, then the rest of the nagas, then the spiderlich?
20100605 19:19:58< Zerovirus> Goody. Like I don't have enough experience spriting snaky-fishy-reptile things.
20100605 19:20:04< elvish_sovereign> well its up to you
20100605 19:20:36< Zerovirus> Still I think I'll have a lot of fun with the nagas
20100605 19:20:47< Zerovirus> their armor is so minimal that I can interpret it pretty much however I want
20100605 19:21:19< Zerovirus> Well, if classic nagas are indian-culture, I think I might go with chinese-ish armor for these guys
20100605 19:21:25< Gambit> out of context quoting for the win
20100605 19:21:27< Zerovirus> Maybe some armor from the terracotta soldiers or something
20100605 19:21:50< zookeeper> i don't know what the point of the human commander is in the first place. i'd think it could just either be a normal core unit or use one's sprites maybe with some recolouring or something like that.
20100605 19:21:52< artisticdude> I like that idea.
20100605 19:23:43< Zerovirus> Noooo
20100605 19:23:47< Zerovirus> don't take my job away
20100605 19:23:49< Zerovirus> I have a family to feed
20100605 19:24:01< artisticdude> ?
20100605 19:24:12< Gambit> Sorry. We're outsourcing your job to china.
20100605 19:24:25< Zerovirus> Ha I got you there, I'm from China
20100605 19:24:35< Zerovirus> i'll just go back and steal my  job back
20100605 19:24:37< Gambit> Zerovirus: But you don't live there
20100605 19:24:44< Zerovirus> read above post
20100605 19:25:00< Gambit> Zerovirus: When people outsource things to china, they outsource to sweatshops.
20100605 19:25:16< Zerovirus> I highly doubt spriting is done in sweatshops
20100605 19:25:20< Gambit> So if you want to work in a locked, hot, room, for almost no money...
20100605 19:25:30< Zerovirus> Hey, as long as I love my job :P
20100605 19:25:42< Zerovirus> And besides almost no money is better than what Wesnoth is paying me right now
20100605 19:26:39< Gambit> Zerovirus: Nope. It's still cheaper in China.
20100605 19:26:49< Zerovirus> What.
20100605 19:26:53< Gambit> They pay US for the priviledge of making sprites.
20100605 19:27:07< Zerovirus> Whatever. Where's the human commander used anyways? I never beat UtBS.
20100605 19:28:07< artisticdude> Ugh. Why is Dixie McCorkell coming through my headphones? Time to change the station.
20100605 19:28:29< zookeeper> Zerovirus, just in one scenario, in the one where the cave is flooding
20100605 19:28:48< Zerovirus> Lol. I listen to Homestuck music for spriting inspiration now.
20100605 19:29:03< Zerovirus> zookeeper: Sounds... Generic.
20100605 19:29:11< Zerovirus> Maybe you're right, he might not need a custom pic after all
20100605 19:29:26< VurtualRuler98> What're his stats?
20100605 19:29:58< Zerovirus> http://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/C/Human%20Commander.html
20100605 19:30:28< Zerovirus> also, why does he have 60% defense on sand
20100605 19:30:46< Zerovirus> and 50% in swamp, that's higher than his defense on flat
20100605 19:30:47< zookeeper> presumably so that he wouldn't suck so much
20100605 19:30:52 * zookeeper shrugs
20100605 19:30:55< zookeeper> there's no swamp on that map
20100605 19:31:02< Zerovirus> Also, don't get me started about the spider lich
20100605 19:31:04< zookeeper> there's no great design to his stats
20100605 19:31:07< Zerovirus> It's more like a level 1.5 than a level 2
20100605 19:31:21< Zerovirus> the lich's hp is abysmal
20100605 19:31:23< Zerovirus> and so are his attacks
20100605 19:31:44< Zerovirus> They barely deal more damage than a freaking DA
20100605 19:31:48< VurtualRuler98> It's a freaky spider lich, what do you expect.
20100605 19:31:50< zookeeper> the spider lich is also just a single unit without any special story to it
20100605 19:32:02< Zerovirus> And, get this, IT COSTS 62 -lol-
20100605 19:32:08< zookeeper> it could just as well be a draug and no one would notice
20100605 19:32:14< Zerovirus> Good point.
20100605 19:32:22< VurtualRuler98> a bearwraith would be cooler
20100605 19:32:32< Zerovirus> wow what.
20100605 19:32:46< zookeeper> some kind of a lich-like beast would be fun to have though
20100605 19:34:02< VurtualRuler98> Imagine getting attacked by a bear who will never scare or run away, is incorporeal to your attacks, and eats your xp, hmm?
20100605 19:34:32< Gambit> ghostbear
20100605 19:34:39< Zerovirus> BEARS
20100605 19:34:48< Zerovirus> Eats XP?
20100605 19:34:53< Gambit> Zerovirus: We haz bears.
20100605 19:34:57< Gambit> Zerovirus: But they need redone.
20100605 19:34:59< VurtualRuler98> it's a wraith.
20100605 19:35:01< Gambit> Zerovirus: To look like the wolves.
20100605 19:35:13< Zerovirus> don't look at me like that
20100605 19:35:19< Gambit> Zerovirus: Actually I don't think they're mainline anyways.
20100605 19:35:21< Zerovirus> do you know how many projects I picked up just from this one IRC chat
20100605 19:35:24< Gambit> Zerovirus: They're just in every UMC ever.
20100605 19:35:37< Gambit> Zerovirus: Can I keep saying your name?
20100605 19:35:53 * Zerovirus rolls eye and shows "UMC-exception" badge.
20100605 19:36:03< artisticdude> There are several versions of bears in the graphic library, IIRC...
20100605 19:36:04< Zerovirus> read it, I'm exclusively free from all UMC authors
20100605 19:36:11< Gambit> Except for me.
20100605 19:36:13< Zerovirus> and yes I only roll one eye
20100605 19:36:13< Gambit> You know why?
20100605 19:36:19< Gambit> Cause I had my tray table up.
20100605 19:36:26< Gambit> And my seat back in the full upright position.
20100605 19:36:27< Zerovirus> Wa-haaat?
20100605 19:36:48< Gambit> Zerovirus: Well I was in this plane you see...
20100605 19:37:02< Zerovirus> I cast dimensional portal on your plane
20100605 19:37:05< Zerovirus> send you to the abyss
20100605 19:37:07< Zerovirus> the end
20100605 19:37:10< VurtualRuler98> I cast force cage.
20100605 19:37:14< Zerovirus> oricalcum falls, everyone dies
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20100605 19:37:37< artisticdude> I wish Ryging would take up spriting again... haven't seen much of him once Eleazar got ahold of him. :P
20100605 19:37:48< Gambit> You know, I'd never been on a real airplane before, and I gotta tell ya, it was really great. Except that I had to sit between two large Albanian women with excruciatingly severe body odor. And the little kid in back of me kept throwin' up the whole time
20100605 19:37:56< Zerovirus> Yeah, I miss RHyging's work
20100605 19:38:00< Zerovirus> especially that stuff with TSG
20100605 19:38:12< Zerovirus> Rhyging really has an awesome grasp of form, better than I ever will
20100605 19:38:14< Gambit> And, oh yeah, three of the airplane engines burned out and we went into a tailspin and crashed into a hillside and the plane exploded in a giant fireball and everybody died
20100605 19:38:24< Gambit> Except for me.
20100605 19:38:31< Zerovirus> Ha, I have +12 anti-fire armor
20100605 19:38:52< artisticdude> Gambit: you sound like Midnight_Carnival there...
20100605 19:38:55< Gambit> Cause I had my tray table up, and my seat back in the full upright position.
20100605 19:39:07< Gambit> artisticdude: No. I'm not crazy. I just follow safety protocol!
20100605 19:39:23< artisticdude> lol.
20100605 19:39:45< artisticdude> He sent me some of his writing once... boy, never again.
20100605 19:39:53< Zerovirus> ...>.>
20100605 19:39:58< Gambit> He's in here right now. Watching you.
20100605 19:40:05< Gambit> Always... watching. Eyes... cold... why?
20100605 19:40:14< Zerovirus> Aaagh go away all of you ;_;
20100605 19:40:21< Zerovirus> Too scary
20100605 19:40:36< artisticdude> XD
20100605 19:41:08< artisticdude> Lots of gore. Very very much lots. 
20100605 19:41:19< Zerovirus> ...
20100605 19:41:24< Zerovirus> Okay.
20100605 19:41:28< Gambit> Zerovirus: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/albuquerque
20100605 19:41:29< Zerovirus> Oooookay.
20100605 19:41:42< artisticdude> Bad grammer on purpose.
20100605 19:41:48< Zerovirus> am I going to regret watching this?
20100605 19:41:52< Gambit> Zerovirus: No.
20100605 19:42:00< Gambit> Unless you can't stand Weird Al.
20100605 19:42:09< Zerovirus> yay low quality gradient pictures
20100605 19:43:02< artisticdude> compression ftw.
20100605 19:43:18< Zerovirus> I have no idea what this is
20100605 19:43:28< Zerovirus> Also, I'm wondering if Gambit reads MS Paint Adventures
20100605 19:45:48< artisticdude> Now it's Kenny Chesney! X( Nothing on the friggen local stations today... I should stick with my library and forget the radio.
20100605 19:46:24< Zerovirus> Go listen to something artistically inspiring.
20100605 19:46:31< Gambit> Zerovirus: Regretting it yet?
20100605 19:46:40< Zerovirus> I just closed it 3 seconds ago
20100605 19:46:44< Zerovirus> it hurt my brain
20100605 19:46:49< Gambit> rofl
20100605 19:46:52< Zerovirus> A screaming mass of weird confusion
20100605 19:47:02< artisticdude> Beethoven is supposed to help you do well on tests... wonder what it does to art...
20100605 19:47:05< Zerovirus> I should go read homestuck again. Logic will help clean it up.
20100605 19:48:20< Gambit> Zerovirus: You would have loved the part about the big fat hemaphrodite with a flock of seagulls haircut and only one nostril.
20100605 19:48:28< Zerovirus> I got to that part
20100605 19:48:32< Zerovirus> he stole the snorkel
20100605 19:48:36< Gambit> haha
20100605 19:48:37< Zerovirus> then I was just like wtf and closed it
20100605 19:49:00< Gambit> Artistically inspirational!
20100605 19:49:40< Zerovirus> Define art
20100605 19:49:57< Gambit> Jefferson airplane is pretty artistically inspirational. Just thinking about all the pretty colors they were probably seeing whilst writing all their songs.
20100605 19:50:37< Gambit> White Rabbit is a work of art.
20100605 19:51:02< Zerovirus> http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003840
20100605 19:51:05< Zerovirus> No, this is a work of art.
20100605 19:51:24< Gambit> Zerovirus: so is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rabbit_(song)
20100605 19:53:06< Gambit> Song that plays with your head plays with your head.
20100605 19:54:16< artisticdude> Nooooo! My ship was blown out of the water!
20100605 19:54:16< Gambit> It's been covered 37 times!
20100605 19:54:30< Zerovirus> Yeah, time to stop spriting and to start eating
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20100605 19:54:38< VurtualRuler98> is eating a free action?
20100605 19:54:43< Gambit> s/eating/replenishing mana
20100605 19:54:58< VurtualRuler98> He needs to heal constitution damage caused by time.
20100605 19:57:08< artisticdude> I'm finally restarting work on Vix, now that summer is here... I can just sit and type for 6+ hours a day. :D
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20100605 20:14:45< VurtualRuler98> I sit and type for 24 hours a day.
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20100605 21:42:40< Hulavuta> HI
20100605 21:42:46< Espreon> Hello.
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20100605 21:48:39< Hulavuta> Oh no
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20100605 21:59:37< Espreon> What?
20100605 21:59:44< Hulavuta> Idk
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20100605 22:18:10< PetePorty> O.o
20100605 22:19:47< Hulavuta> wtf
20100605 22:20:11< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: what is wrong with you?
20100605 22:22:18< Gambit> haha
20100605 22:23:10< PetePorty> a lot
20100605 22:23:14< PetePorty> :D
20100605 22:25:39< Hulavuta> I dunno
20100605 22:25:43< Hulavuta> I'm bored
20100605 22:25:54< shadowmaster> then go elsewhere
20100605 22:26:03< Hulavuta> ...But I came here to be un-bored
20100605 22:26:14< shadowmaster> then you came to the wrong place
20100605 22:26:18< Hulavuta> ok'
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20100605 22:31:53< elvish_sovereign> Is anyone here?
20100605 22:32:46< Gambit> No.
20100605 22:32:55< elvish_sovereign> As I thought
20100605 22:34:02< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: But there's a party going on over in #wesnothxp!
20100605 22:34:27< shadowmaster> Gambit: stop advertising it like that
20100605 22:34:40< shadowmaster> it doesn't help your public image
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20100605 22:36:24< elvish_sovereign> hmm...Wesnoth's quitting on me.
20100605 22:36:58< elvish_sovereign> whenever I log into MP
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20100605 22:40:08< elvish_sovereign> Any idea why?
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20100605 22:47:59< Gregorius> I just wanted to buy a sausage and ended up saling them for seven hours... what a day...
20100605 22:50:22< Gregorius> Gamb, I'm a bit confused, where exactly are the rescources variables in GEB initialized?
20100605 22:50:38< Gambit> I think it's in misc.cfg
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20100605 22:51:34< Gregorius> thanks
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20100605 22:53:22< Gregorius> oh, and chrch has building cost --10 wood so you gain 10 wood building it
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20100605 23:00:31< shiremct> What kind of difficulties do you run into trying to balance/design a custom faction that doesn't have any flying/water-based units? Is it important enough that one or the other really kinda -needs- to be created?
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20100605 23:07:24< Gregorius> well, if there is a map with much water e.g.
20100605 23:07:43< Gregorius> you will need water or flying units
20100605 23:07:45< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster: is the Wesnoth MP server down?
20100605 23:08:00< Gregorius> else you are predsetined to lose
20100605 23:08:27< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: no
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20100605 23:09:03< elvish_sovereign> hmm...Wesnoth is constantly crashing on me
20100605 23:09:21< elvish_sovereign> whenever I click on "Connect to Server"
20100605 23:09:35< Hulavuta> That's horrible
20100605 23:09:38< elvish_sovereign> Do you know what might be up?
20100605 23:09:50< shadowmaster> anything in your stderr?
20100605 23:09:57< elvish_sovereign> I'm on Mac
20100605 23:10:10< elvish_sovereign> I dont thing there is a stderr
20100605 23:10:15< elvish_sovereign> *think
20100605 23:10:17< shadowmaster> yes, there is
20100605 23:10:21< shadowmaster> start wesnoth from a command terminal
20100605 23:10:31< shadowmaster> (how to do that on Mac...no idea)
20100605 23:10:51< elvish_sovereign> me neither
20100605 23:11:06< elvish_sovereign> crimson_penguin!!
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20100605 23:11:38< elvish_sovereign> or anyone
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20100605 23:13:30< crimson_penguin> hi
20100605 23:13:57< elvish_sovereign> how do you run Wesnoth in a command terminal?
20100605 23:14:00< elvish_sovereign> liek above
20100605 23:14:06< elvish_sovereign> *like
20100605 23:14:22< crimson_penguin> elvish_sovereign: you can ctrl+click on the .app, go Show Package Contents, then go into Contents/MacOS
20100605 23:14:27< crimson_penguin> then just open the file there
20100605 23:14:34< crimson_penguin> err, sorry, open Wesnoth there
20100605 23:14:57< elvish_sovereign> ok got it
20100605 23:15:06< elvish_sovereign> thanks
20100605 23:15:31< elvish_sovereign> I'm getting a bunch of Invalid stuff
20100605 23:15:42< elvish_sovereign> Does that have to do with it?
20100605 23:15:49< Hulavuta> Does anyone have a working version of War of Terrador?
20100605 23:15:51< crimson_penguin> nah, that's probably just fonts
20100605 23:16:08< elvish_sovereign> Because MP is crashing on me
20100605 23:16:17< elvish_sovereign> or making the program not respond
20100605 23:16:24< elvish_sovereign> have any idea why?
20100605 23:17:20< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: can you pastebin the contents after trying to connect to the MP server?
20100605 23:18:15< elvish_sovereign> no
20100605 23:18:21< elvish_sovereign> Segmentation fault
20100605 23:18:23< elvish_sovereign> logout
20100605 23:18:32< elvish_sovereign> [Process completed]
20100605 23:18:34< elvish_sovereign> thats it
20100605 23:18:45< elvish_sovereign> no
20100605 23:18:45< elvish_sovereign> Segmentation fault
20100605 23:18:46< elvish_sovereign> logout
20100605 23:18:46< crimson_penguin> ah
20100605 23:18:46< elvish_sovereign> [Process completed]
20100605 23:18:55< tyler__> Ouch, segmentation faults are nasty.
20100605 23:18:59< shadowmaster> hm
20100605 23:19:04< crimson_penguin> the part after segfault isn't relevant
20100605 23:19:09< crimson_penguin> but yeah, that sucks...
20100605 23:19:20< elvish_sovereign> what's up?
20100605 23:19:23< shadowmaster> anything changed in your system since yesterday?
20100605 23:19:36< elvish_sovereign> not really...
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20100605 23:19:59< elvish_sovereign> I don't think so
20100605 23:20:08< crimson_penguin> I can connect
20100605 23:20:24< shadowmaster> yes, the MP server is fine as I said above
20100605 23:20:51< elvish_sovereign> So the problem is with my system?
20100605 23:20:52< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: you are using 1.8.2? or 1.8.1?
20100605 23:20:57< elvish_sovereign> 1.8.2
20100605 23:21:05< shadowmaster> you don't have the new lobby enabled, do you?
20100605 23:21:10< elvish_sovereign> no
20100605 23:21:23< shadowmaster> no difference if you enable it?
20100605 23:21:27< elvish_sovereign> I used to
20100605 23:21:34< elvish_sovereign> let me see
20100605 23:22:10< elvish_sovereign> Works!
20100605 23:22:21< elvish_sovereign> That's weird
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20100605 23:22:38< shadowmaster> hm.
20100605 23:22:43< elvish_sovereign> I'll use this from now on, I'll have to get used to it anyway
20100605 23:22:55< elvish_sovereign> eventually
20100605 23:22:59< shadowmaster> I guess it still sucks like it did in 1.8.0
20100605 23:23:23< shadowmaster> maybe some game name is causing the old lobby to crash there...
20100605 23:24:11< elvish_sovereign> Well at least it's working now
20100605 23:25:03< shadowmaster> crimson_penguin: what do you think?
20100605 23:25:28< shadowmaster> could it be caused by SDL_ttf rendering some of those game names with non-English characters?
20100605 23:25:56< crimson_penguin> well but, I'm connected with the old lobby, on 1.8.2 on Mac
20100605 23:26:36< shadowmaster> and I'm there with the old lobby on 1.8.2+svn on Debian testing
20100605 23:26:44< elvish_sovereign> ok I just tried and it works with the old lobby now as well
20100605 23:26:56< elvish_sovereign> weird
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20100605 23:27:26< shadowmaster> hm, I have an idea
20100605 23:27:38< shadowmaster> let me go to get the ingredients
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20100605 23:30:39< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: can youconnect to 186.10.10.196 and see the lobby?
20100605 23:32:03< elvish_sovereign> wait, you mean the IP address
20100605 23:32:08< shadowmaster> yes
20100605 23:32:29< elvish_sovereign> ok, give a sec to figure that out
20100605 23:32:46< shadowmaster> Multiplayer -> Connect to server
20100605 23:32:58< elvish_sovereign> ohhhh
20100605 23:33:47< elvish_sovereign> wait which one?
20100605 23:34:11< shadowmaster> you put 186.10.10.196 as the server address
20100605 23:35:03< elvish_sovereign> nothings happening
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20100605 23:36:07< shadowmaster> yeah, it seems I'm not reachable
20100605 23:36:21< elvish_sovereign> could not connect to host
20100605 23:36:51< shadowmaster> okay, never mind
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20100605 23:38:25< elvish_sovereign> okay it crashed again, but then I switched to the new interface, and it worked again. Upon switching back to the old it works as well. This is really weird.
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