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20100617 01:04:45< Hulavuta> Hi
20100617 01:05:11< shadowmaster> hello
20100617 01:05:51< Hulavuta> Hi
20100617 01:05:56< Hulavuta> Anyone else here?
20100617 01:06:00< shadowmaster> yes
20100617 01:06:12< Hulavuta> That is active?
20100617 01:06:17< shadowmaster> /names  displays 54 users including me
20100617 01:06:19< shadowmaster> active, no idea
20100617 01:06:29< Hulavuta> Okay good
20100617 01:06:35< shadowmaster> people here are reasonable netizens who don't talk when they've got nothing to say, you know
20100617 01:06:39< Hulavuta> There were a bunch of weird people here earlier
20100617 01:08:25< Tomsik> Hello!!!!!
20100617 01:09:37< Hulavuta> Yep, he was one of 'em
20100617 01:10:09 * pyshee is active.
20100617 01:10:43< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: do you normally play MP?
20100617 01:10:49< Hulavuta> Why?
20100617 01:10:54< Tomsik> Are you aware how rude it is to use pronoun "he" and all its derivatives in the presence of the referenced person?
20100617 01:11:04< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: I'm just asking :|
20100617 01:11:15< Hulavuta> Tomsik: Sorry
20100617 01:11:22< Hulavuta> shadowmaster: Kind of
20100617 01:12:30< Tomsik> just kidding :p
20100617 01:13:03< Hulavuta> lol
20100617 01:13:28< Hulavuta> Do you want to play MP right now?
20100617 01:15:03< shadowmaster> well, I'm bored
20100617 01:15:47< PetePorty> O.o
20100617 01:16:09< PetePorty> Hula's kicking shadowmasters arse
20100617 01:16:30< shadowmaster> what?
20100617 01:16:37< PetePorty> huh?
20100617 01:16:59< shadowmaster> PetePorty: I AM THE ONE ASKING THE QUESTION
20100617 01:17:15< PetePorty> and you are the one shouting too....
20100617 01:17:34-!- mode/#wesnoth [+q *!*@pc-193-248-120-200.cm.vtr.net] by ChanServ
20100617 01:17:51< shadowmaster> I suppose you are too smart to be bothered to tell me what you are talking about
20100617 01:19:24-!- mode/#wesnoth [-q *!*@pc-193-248-120-200.cm.vtr.net] by ChanServ
20100617 01:19:38< PetePorty> thx
20100617 01:19:51< shadowmaster> what == what are you talking about?
20100617 01:20:07< PetePorty> well, how was I supposed to know that?
20100617 01:20:17< PetePorty> also, how could I know you were talking to me?
20100617 01:20:31< shadowmaster> check the timestamps
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20100617 01:20:38< shadowmaster> Hulavuta last lasked at 19:13
20100617 01:20:44< shadowmaster> I replied to him at 19:15
20100617 01:20:51< PetePorty> how would I know that?
20100617 01:20:52< shadowmaster> then you talked at 19:15 and 19:16:09
20100617 01:21:04< shadowmaster> I asked "what?" at 19:16:30 in response
20100617 01:21:12< shadowmaster> simple, eh?
20100617 01:21:24< shadowmaster> please don't tell me that your client doesn't display timestamps :(
20100617 01:21:25< shadowmaster> that'd be terrible
20100617 01:21:31< PetePorty> or maybe you just like talking to yourself...
20100617 01:21:37< shadowmaster> no
20100617 01:21:40< PetePorty> nope, it doesn't
20100617 01:21:44< shadowmaster> I don't talk to myself
20100617 01:21:49< PetePorty> I do
20100617 01:21:52< PetePorty> :)
20100617 01:22:02< PetePorty> PetePorty, I love you
20100617 01:22:04< shadowmaster> allow me to point at you and laugh like Nelson
20100617 01:22:10 * SpoOkyMagician talks to himself a lot. (mostly when I am thinking outloud though...)
20100617 01:22:10< PetePorty> lol
20100617 01:22:24< PetePorty> me too sometimes
20100617 01:22:54< PetePorty> were the rumors about Hulavuta true?
20100617 01:25:56 * shadowmaster feels stalked
20100617 01:26:09 * SpoOkyMagician hates being sick
20100617 01:26:55 * PetePorty thinks he's got 3 legs
20100617 01:27:11< Hulavuta> What the hell is going on?
20100617 01:27:25< PetePorty> huh?
20100617 01:27:33< shadowmaster> where, who, when, why?
20100617 01:27:37< Hulavuta> Stop making up crap about me...
20100617 01:27:46< PetePorty> exactly
20100617 01:28:03< Hulavuta> My mom had  to use the computer, and when I came back, I just read some big argument, and I couldn't understand what Porty was saying
20100617 01:28:05< PetePorty> u missed the 'huh', shadowmaster 
20100617 01:28:20 * SpoOkyMagician shrugs
20100617 01:29:04< shadowmaster> PetePorty: no, I didn't
20100617 01:29:06< SpoOkyMagician> er, brb
20100617 01:29:12< PetePorty> :)
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20100617 01:29:16< shadowmaster> 19:27:11 <Hulavuta> What the hell is going on?
20100617 01:29:16< shadowmaster> 19:27:25 <PetePorty> huh?
20100617 01:29:18< shadowmaster> 19:27:33 <shadowmaster> where, who, when, why?
20100617 01:29:24< PetePorty> oh....
20100617 01:29:31< PetePorty> you were adding to my answer
20100617 01:29:40< PetePorty> awwww....how cute af you
20100617 01:29:43< PetePorty> of*
20100617 01:29:45< shadowmaster> no
20100617 01:29:47< PetePorty> :D
20100617 01:29:49< shadowmaster> I was replying to Hulavuta 
20100617 01:30:17< shadowmaster> also, your signature "O.o" is creeping me out
20100617 01:30:21< PetePorty> so... r u feelin any better?
20100617 01:30:27< PetePorty> why?
20100617 01:30:33< shadowmaster> only slightly better
20100617 01:30:38< shadowmaster> I won't reply to your last question though.
20100617 01:30:43< PetePorty> it's not my fault to have 1 eye bigger
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20100617 01:31:01< shadowmaster> but it's your fault to be abusing emoticons
20100617 01:31:07< shadowmaster> how often do you see me using them?
20100617 01:31:09< Hulavuta> ...Okay, but does anyone want to play MP?
20100617 01:31:13< PetePorty> yeah...
20100617 01:31:19< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: me
20100617 01:31:24< PetePorty> well, you are a serious guy, I'm not
20100617 01:31:38< shadowmaster> Wesnoth is Serious Business indeed.
20100617 01:31:39< crimson_penguin> you mean... you guys PLAY Wesnoth?
20100617 01:31:45< Hulavuta> Why so serious? /batman
20100617 01:31:47< PetePorty> O.o
20100617 01:31:50< PetePorty> sorry....
20100617 01:31:50< crimson_penguin> amazing!
20100617 01:31:55< Hulavuta> wit
20100617 01:31:57< Hulavuta> *wut
20100617 01:31:59< shadowmaster> crimson_penguin: I do
20100617 01:32:02< Hulavuta> This is a Wesnoth channel
20100617 01:32:02< PetePorty> crimson_penguin, shadowmaster started playing recently
20100617 01:32:15< crimson_penguin> I've developed wesnoth a little, and met other people who do more... but... players? :O
20100617 01:32:18< Hulavuta> How many people here want to play
20100617 01:32:20< Hulavuta> Say "I"
20100617 01:32:21< shadowmaster> PetePorty: I used to play single player a lot when I was actively developing my campaigns
20100617 01:32:38< Hulavuta> If you guys want to play, say    I 
20100617 01:32:39< shadowmaster> that was before January
20100617 01:32:47< SpoOkyMagician> !
20100617 01:32:50< PetePorty> nah, single sucks... (not really, but... anyway) mp is the cool stuff
20100617 01:32:52< Hulavuta> Hurry so i can set the amount of players
20100617 01:32:57< shadowmaster> 19:31:19 <shadowmaster> Hulavuta: me
20100617 01:33:00 * crimson_penguin is just joking; has been playing for >5 years, but not frequently
20100617 01:33:05< Hulavuta> NO CAMPAIGN > MULTIPLAYER
20100617 01:33:13< Hulavuta> crimson_penguin: YOu playin?
20100617 01:33:22< Hulavuta> SpoOkyMagician: Is that a yes?
20100617 01:33:24< crimson_penguin> not right now
20100617 01:33:27< Hulavuta> Ok
20100617 01:33:29< SpoOkyMagician> ! = not
20100617 01:33:32< Hulavuta> ok...
20100617 01:33:35< Appleman1234> Hulavuta, I would like to play and also to develop, but I have an exam today so I can't ...
20100617 01:33:42< Hulavuta> so just shadowmaster then?
20100617 01:33:51< PetePorty> I wanna play
20100617 01:34:03< PetePorty> ;)
20100617 01:34:03< Hulavuta> Okay, but uh...N3T
20100617 01:34:08 * crimson_penguin packages for Mac, but rarely does anything more than that
20100617 01:34:14< SpoOkyMagician> but ill watch i guess
20100617 01:34:41< shadowmaster> crimson_penguin: you also help us when Mac users require technical assistance
20100617 01:34:54< Hulavuta> Do you want to do a 1on1on1 or Aethaeryn's seige thing
20100617 01:34:54< shadowmaster> that's a great achievement since that platform is alien to most of us
20100617 01:35:05< Hulavuta> Or do you want to do a 2on2 with an AI allie?
20100617 01:35:08< Hulavuta> *ally
20100617 01:35:11< shadowmaster> AI allies suck
20100617 01:35:19< crimson_penguin> I guess so
20100617 01:35:21< Hulavuta> Well pick one then...
20100617 01:35:35< shadowmaster> get a fourth player
20100617 01:35:38< Hulavuta> Ok
20100617 01:35:41< shadowmaster> :P
20100617 01:35:44< Hulavuta> I'm hosting
20100617 01:35:55< Hulavuta> How bout 4 ffa
20100617 01:35:57 * SpoOkyMagician waits
20100617 01:36:13< PetePorty> I'm trying to convince mysticX to play
20100617 01:36:25 * Appleman1234 starts up wesnoth
20100617 01:36:35< Hulavuta> Do you guys want 2on2 or 4 ffa?
20100617 01:36:57< Hulavuta> Okay then
20100617 01:37:00< PetePorty> ok, mystic wants to play
20100617 01:37:04< Hulavuta> It's up
20100617 01:37:10< Hulavuta> So, how many players do we have? Like, 7?
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20100617 01:48:15 * Gambit pokes shadowmaster.
20100617 01:48:39< shadowmaster> Gambit: what?
20100617 01:48:48< Gambit> Whatcha doin?
20100617 01:48:52< shadowmaster> hippies? spambots? 
20100617 01:49:01< shadowmaster> ah, just asking what I'm doing
20100617 01:49:17< shadowmaster> I'm trying to play a game
20100617 01:49:21< shadowmaster> in the stable MP server
20100617 01:49:29< Gambit> I can honestly say I have never once bugged you about hippies nor seen anyone else do likewise.
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20100617 01:51:22 * SpoOkyMagician pokes Gambit for no reason
20100617 01:51:37 * Hulavuta pokes SpoOkyMagician for no reason
20100617 01:51:52 * SpoOkyMagician laughs
20100617 01:52:08 * Gambit kills them both... for no reason.
20100617 01:52:28 * SpoOkyMagician changes avatar
20100617 01:52:34< Gambit> Actually I have a reason. But the key is to pretend you don't. Keep everyone guessing.
20100617 01:52:36< shadowmaster> Gambit: I just wrongly assumed that there was an emergency I needed to solve
20100617 01:52:42< Gambit> They'd never believe you want to take over the world.
20100617 01:52:47< shadowmaster> also, you didn't get the reference. Fail.
20100617 01:53:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: I will make an emergancy.
20100617 01:53:05< Gambit> Give me a second.
20100617 01:53:14< shadowmaster> oh, no, not that please
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20100617 01:53:42< Appleman1234> back
20100617 01:54:05< Appleman1234> does wesnoth have issues with the new sdl ?
20100617 01:54:13< Hulavuta> wut is that
20100617 01:54:21< Appleman1234> apparently that is why my wesnoth isn't starting
20100617 01:55:16< Hulavuta> What does it stand for
20100617 01:55:25< Gambit> lol someone on the forums called someone else a "dumb mofo"
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20100617 01:55:52 * Gambit should start reading the forums again regularly...
20100617 01:56:19< Gambit> I can't find any emergancies.
20100617 01:56:25< Hulavuta> XD
20100617 01:56:25< Hulavuta> Where
20100617 01:56:27< Hulavuta> Lemme see
20100617 01:56:29< Hulavuta> Link plz
20100617 01:57:05< Hulavuta> Nevermind, I just searched it
20100617 01:57:07< Hulavuta> XDDDD
20100617 01:57:08< Gambit> Holy cow... http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=435229#p435229
20100617 01:57:20< Gambit> That is not cool.
20100617 01:57:53< Hulavuta> mofo XD
20100617 01:57:58< shadowmaster> Gambit: there must be areason for the lock, no?
20100617 01:58:00< shadowmaster> stop talking about it
20100617 01:58:18< Gambit> Okay.
20100617 02:01:27< Hulavuta> #3 You probably not nearly as good as you think you are. Claiming that because Dauntless only plays ladder he would have trouble with someone who only plays against randoms is, quite frankly, an idiotic statement only a new player would ever make.
20100617 02:01:30< Hulavuta> What does that mean?
20100617 02:04:18< Hulavuta> So...
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20100617 02:27:28< PetePorty> back
20100617 02:54:00< Gambit> left
20100617 02:54:35< PetePorty> right
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20100617 03:50:13< PetePorty> k, bye guys, c ya
20100617 03:50:16< PetePorty> sleep well
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20100617 08:58:06< Ivanovic> moin
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20100617 09:03:31< ancestral> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30425
20100617 09:03:38< ancestral> I'm having a hard time understanding this
20100617 09:03:46< ancestral> Firstly, isn't there already an option for this?
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20100617 09:05:15< ancestral> Secondly, if it's canceling entire orders, wouldn't this lend to cheating?
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20100617 09:07:14< Soliton> he talks about goto moves.
20100617 09:07:37< ancestral> Goto moves?
20100617 09:07:54< Soliton> nobody sane sets goto moves for routes that you don't know are safe.
20100617 09:08:41< Soliton> it'll probably become irrelevant with the whiteboard mode anyway.
20100617 09:08:56< ancestral> I think I understand now
20100617 09:09:13< ancestral> I've never set goto routes
20100617 09:09:29< ancestral> Oh, well, maybe accidentally, that's not true
20100617 09:09:37< Soliton> it's rarely useful.
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20100617 09:11:48< ancestral> Seems like the best thing would be to just abort the goto immediately if anything gets in the way
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20100617 14:57:29< Hulavuta> XD
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20100617 14:59:18< Hulavuta> http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/forums.wesnoth.org
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20100617 15:45:31< Ken_Oh> that's pretty funny
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20100617 15:51:12< Hulavuta> I know i tis
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20100617 16:59:50< Gambit> Anyone watching the BP hearing?
20100617 16:59:56< Unnheulu> Nope
20100617 17:00:02< Unnheulu> Why would I? :P
20100617 17:00:50< Gambit> Unnheulu: You do realize that there will be an ocean current soon carrying that crap your way right?
20100617 17:00:58< Unnheulu> Gambit, nope
20100617 17:01:07< Unnheulu> It has to go up the Bristol Channel
20100617 17:01:15< Unnheulu> Besides it's really polluted around here anyways
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20100617 17:08:05< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=41911 <3
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20100617 17:23:23< SoftlySplinter> Gambit: agreed, Sleepwalker's doing a fantastic job
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20100617 18:00:38< artisticdude> I've finally decided to go ahead with my 'Wesnoth Forum Faction' idea.
20100617 18:01:19< artisticdude> I hope it doesn't disintegrate into a flame war or something.
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20100617 19:27:34 * Unnheulu lurvs FtF
20100617 19:27:54< Unnheulu> Weird
20100617 19:28:09< Unnheulu> EE and EoM are't the most downloaded add-ons anymore
20100617 19:30:06< Aethaeryn> EE and EoM aren't the highest quality... iirc, they've been abount stagnant since I've joined years ago
20100617 19:30:27< Unnheulu> I remember when I joined around 1.2.x they were like
20100617 19:30:29< Aethaeryn> There's been a lot of new stuff between 1.3 and 1.8
20100617 19:30:48< Unnheulu> And I quit wesnoth after 1.4 because I was annoyed waiting for 1.5
20100617 19:30:49< Aethaeryn> and yeah, I remember 1.3 serers... back when there was such a major change in the WML and game balance that people actually played unstable :o
20100617 19:30:55< Aethaeryn> *servers
20100617 19:30:58< Unnheulu> And didn't think to get svn
20100617 19:31:09< Aethaeryn> ah, well
20100617 19:31:19< Aethaeryn> EE and EoM have been stagnant since at least 1.4
20100617 19:31:29< Aethaeryn> no more EE/EoM/IE trinity
20100617 19:31:39< Aethaeryn> tbh, not many people use eras...
20100617 19:31:51< Unnheulu> IE, imperal era?
20100617 19:31:55< Aethaeryn> y
20100617 19:32:03< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: Oh, Ageless Era probably killed off EE/EoM downloads.
20100617 19:32:10 * Unnheulu hasn't seen it in the addons list
20100617 19:32:10< Aethaeryn> It's basically all the eras in one big broken buggy imbalanced era
20100617 19:32:15< Unnheulu> Ageless era kinda annoys me
20100617 19:32:24< Unnheulu> I got it to check it out...I regretted it66
20100617 19:32:26< Aethaeryn> yeah, apparently it can (and did in one game) cause OOS
20100617 19:32:27< Unnheulu> ^^
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20100617 19:32:56< Aethaeryn> There's a reason why Thunderstone's purposely made to be balanced stronger-than-Default.
20100617 19:33:05< Unnheulu> Hmm?
20100617 19:33:11< Unnheulu> Default isn't balanced?
20100617 19:33:21< Aethaeryn> Because it's the future. When I release it (hopefully 1.10) if anyone puts it in a meta-era, they'll beat the other factions
20100617 19:33:30< Unnheulu> Aha :D
20100617 19:33:41< Aethaeryn> oh, no, what I meant is that Thunderstone's balance is purposely so that the units are stronger than Default units.
20100617 19:33:58< Unnheulu> Is it likely to go mainline?
20100617 19:33:59< Aethaeryn> might be a little subtle when I complete the era (so far 3 half-factions)
20100617 19:34:04< Aethaeryn> no
20100617 19:34:08< Unnheulu> Kay
20100617 19:34:17< Aethaeryn> MP developers are nazis for balance.
20100617 19:34:33 * Unnheulu really wants more default eras
20100617 19:34:41< Aethaeryn> then kidnap noy
20100617 19:34:50 * Unnheulu kidnaps noy
20100617 19:34:56< Aethaeryn> but, tbh, no non-default era is in a good state right now
20100617 19:35:01< Aethaeryn> most have no animations or few
20100617 19:35:11< Aethaeryn> and it's usually faction-by-faction
20100617 19:35:13< Aethaeryn> Windsong = good art
20100617 19:35:14< Unnheulu> Perhaps
20100617 19:35:19< Unnheulu> Minotaurs is awesome
20100617 19:35:20< Aethaeryn> half of EoM = crappy art in 1.0 style
20100617 19:35:21< Unnheulu> afk, food
20100617 19:36:20< Aethaeryn> I do remember your name btw :P
20100617 19:36:31< Aethaeryn> not too many Us
20100617 19:37:35< Aethaeryn> and even less with 3 Us
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20100617 19:38:19< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu Un-nheu-lu un-new-lou?
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20100617 19:40:40< Hulavuta> Hello?
20100617 19:40:43< SekoIdiootti> hi
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20100617 19:41:10< SekoIdiootti> *silence of death has appeared as Hulavuta came*
20100617 19:42:24< Unnheulu> Back
20100617 19:42:49< Unnheulu> Een nuh hi lee
20100617 19:42:56< SekoIdiootti> lol :|
20100617 19:43:10< SekoIdiootti> I can't even pronounce that xD
20100617 19:43:27< SekoIdiootti> I think Aethaeryn can though
20100617 19:43:32< SekoIdiootti> it's probably because I'm finnish
20100617 19:43:34< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100617 19:43:41< Unnheulu> You finns prnounce weird things
20100617 19:43:56< SekoIdiootti> how so? :0
20100617 19:44:01< SekoIdiootti> we pronounce how we write
20100617 19:44:03< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100617 19:44:39< Unnheulu> HEuo;suhrdg
20100617 19:44:43< SekoIdiootti> ?????
20100617 19:44:46< Hulavuta> ....
20100617 19:44:46< Unnheulu> Example of a finnish word ^
20100617 19:46:37< SekoIdiootti> perse
20100617 19:46:44< SekoIdiootti> (means ass)
20100617 19:46:46< SekoIdiootti> xD
20100617 19:48:53< Unnheulu> Donkeys are friendly
20100617 19:49:17< SekoIdiootti> ?
20100617 19:49:31< Unnheulu> You just told me the finnish word for ass?
20100617 19:49:50< Hulavuta> Ass also means buttocks you know... >.>
20100617 19:49:53< SekoIdiootti> it's the butt ass
20100617 19:49:56< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100617 19:50:07< Unnheulu> Hulavuta, only in todays perverted society
20100617 19:50:08< SekoIdiootti> donkey = aasi
20100617 19:50:20< SekoIdiootti> ass = perse
20100617 19:50:48< SekoIdiootti> xD
20100617 19:51:08< Hulavuta> ass (2)  slang for "backside," first attested 1860 in nautical slang, in popular use from 1930
20100617 19:51:18< Hulavuta> That was over 100 years ago
20100617 19:51:29< SekoIdiootti> :0
20100617 19:51:30< Hulavuta> I wouldn't say "today's" society
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20100617 19:51:49< Hulavuta> 2010-1860=150
20100617 19:52:06< Hulavuta> Or 80
20100617 19:52:11< Hulavuta> If you use 1930
20100617 19:52:14< Hulavuta> Moving on
20100617 19:52:27< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100617 19:54:19< Hulavuta> Anyway,
20100617 19:54:38< Hulavuta> I'm going to work on my campaign
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20100617 20:13:29< Unnheulu> I <3 Brent
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20100617 20:15:39< Hulavuta> I <neverplayed> Brent
20100617 20:15:53< Unnheulu> Go geddit now!
20100617 20:17:59< Hulavuta> Is it 1.8
20100617 20:18:02< Hulavuta> ?
20100617 20:18:03< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100617 20:19:41< Hulavuta> Too bad
20100617 20:19:44< Hulavuta> I'm still running 1.4
20100617 20:21:03< Unnheulu> Lol?
20100617 20:21:12< Unnheulu> <Hulavuta> Anyway,
20100617 20:21:12< Unnheulu>  I'm going to work on my campaign
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20100617 20:22:14< Hulavuta> Last I checked, 1.4 ran usermade campaigns
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20100617 20:25:15< Hulavuta> so.,.
20100617 20:25:33< Unnheulu> But yours is for 1.8? :)
20100617 20:27:11< Hulavuta> No it isn't
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20100617 21:30:52< natasiel> hi
20100617 21:31:38< natasiel> someone has an idea about how "placement" and "map_overwrite" works in a [unit] tag?
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20100617 21:59:45< Hulavuta> Hi
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20100617 22:12:08< Ken_Oh> i can't believe people are still running old versions like 1.4
20100617 22:12:16< Ken_Oh> when the new versions run so muhc faster
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20100617 22:49:03< eastprince> Hello. Can I ask for help about era making here or should I join dev-chat?
20100617 22:50:13< shadowmaster> -dev is for mainline development, so this is probably the right place.
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20100617 23:05:11< eastprince> Need some help from experienced era makers.
20100617 23:08:31< zookeeper> maybe you should start by actually asking your question.
20100617 23:10:11< eastprince> That's really stupid I think I need some private help. I can't make my era work. I'm sure syntax is correct, I spent two hours 'parcing' wiki and forums.
20100617 23:11:11< eastprince> It says #ifdef is not terminated. I'm sure it is. When I remove #ifdef Wesnoth says [era] isn't closed. But it is.
20100617 23:11:40< eastprince> I just want to know the minimum requirements to make era work.
20100617 23:12:39< SekoIdiootti> ...why would you need private help?
20100617 23:12:41< SekoIdiootti> I mean...
20100617 23:13:01< SekoIdiootti> like... this is for all Wesnoth related things I think?
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20100617 23:13:29< eastprince> To not spend time of community and to not spam here. Sorry for my language skills. Not native.
20100617 23:13:48< eastprince> I meant help in private chat.
20100617 23:14:22< shadowmaster> the "community" isn't continuously paying attention here.
20100617 23:14:51< shadowmaster> but if you'll need to work with many lines of code, maybe the WML Workshop is a better place for you.
20100617 23:17:05< eastprince> I think it's really stupid to post 10 lines of code to forum.
20100617 23:17:35< shadowmaster> then use a pastebin.
20100617 23:17:43< shadowmaster> just don't paste directly on IRC
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20100617 23:24:51< PetePorty> Hello!
20100617 23:25:05< pyshafk> hai.
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20100617 23:25:16< eastprince> Ok, I think that'll help: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/RTRCDKi9
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20100617 23:27:44< westprince> I think it will
20100617 23:28:10< zookeeper> first of all [units] should be [+units]
20100617 23:28:28< eastprince> That doesn't help.
20100617 23:28:37< eastprince> And why it should be +?
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20100617 23:29:54< zookeeper> eastprince, because [+tag] means that the contents go to the previous [tag] that the game had encountered, and there's only one [units] tag, so you want to add your [unit_type]s inside that one instead of trying to overwrite the whole [units] tag with one of your own.
20100617 23:30:17< zookeeper> secondly, i don't see anything else wrong with what you posted
20100617 23:30:44< zookeeper> that's all the WML your add-on has?
20100617 23:30:53< eastprince> Thanks a lot, I'll fix that units tag and I'll try it once again.
20100617 23:30:55< eastprince> Yes.
20100617 23:31:32< eastprince> And only units/wiches directory.
20100617 23:33:34< eastprince> *witches
20100617 23:33:56< zookeeper> if it still doesn't work then i really doubt the error is coming from there
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20100617 23:34:32< eastprince> Could it be some cache errors? I restart the game before every try.
20100617 23:35:05< zookeeper> more likely to be some other add-on or some broken leftover file you've left somewhere
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20100617 23:35:59< zookeeper> just temporarily remove (like just rename your data/add-ons/Witchwar_Era.cfg to data/add-ons/Witchwar_Era.cfg.foo) your whole add-on and see if it works then
20100617 23:36:19< eastprince> That's my first attempt to make add-on. And it's almost clear Wesnoth 1.8.2 I just installed some eras as examples.
20100617 23:38:44< zookeeper> well, after the [+units] fix that piece of WML works just fine for me
20100617 23:39:24< zookeeper> maybe check that you don't have some odd encoding weirdness going in the .cfg files?
20100617 23:39:50< zookeeper> not likely, but that's one common cause for rare and obscure problems
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20100617 23:40:48< eastprince> It's ANSI I'm using notepad++.
20100617 23:42:03< zookeeper> odd
20100617 23:42:38< zookeeper> well, as a last resort you can just .zip up the whole thing and post it on http://filebin.ca/ or whatever and i can take a look
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20100617 23:43:21< zookeeper> but i'll assume that you've tried removing it entirely first...
20100617 23:45:31< eastprince> http://filebin.ca/smfptd/add-ons.zip Sorry, I posted that first. I'll try to remove it right now.
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20100617 23:47:34< zookeeper> ok, i get the error too when starting MP, looking...
20100617 23:48:03< zookeeper> well, your Witchwar_Era/Witchwar_Era.cfg is all borked
20100617 23:48:12< eastprince> Thanks a lot for help.
20100617 23:48:15< zookeeper> linebreaks, that is
20100617 23:49:27< zookeeper> i don't know what's wrong with the linebreaks there (looks like all the files have DOS style linebreaks, which is fine) but in that file something's wrong
20100617 23:50:27< eastprince> Thanks. And what about Witchwar in add-ons? The only thing I remember is I copied some lines from Bob's RPG Era.
20100617 23:51:40< zookeeper> dunno what you're asking, really
20100617 23:52:41< eastprince> Ok, sorry, I see the problem now. Thank you a lot once again for help.
20100617 23:53:04< zookeeper> oh, and btw, you should put your [binary_path] inside the #ifdef so that the images aren't leaked outside of MP
20100617 23:58:17< eastprince> Phew, thanks thousand times. Now it works well.
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