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20100618 00:00:07< zookeeper> anyway, if you need help with something then just ask, that's what the channel is (partially) for after all.
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20100618 00:01:17< eastprince> I thought that would be hard to explain. Sorry.
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20100618 08:44:03< Ivanovic> moin
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20100618 10:24:36 * pyshee wonders why The Smoke Monster doesn't just talk things out...
20100618 10:26:29< ancestral> LOST!
20100618 10:26:46< pyshee> oui!
20100618 10:27:06< ancestral> ♥
20100618 10:27:15< ancestral> What season are you on?
20100618 10:27:22< pyshee> ive already seen it
20100618 10:27:25< zookeeper> lost is the absolutely most dumbest and annoying tv show i've ever watched from start to finish.
20100618 10:27:25< ancestral> Oh okay
20100618 10:27:26< pyshee> all of it. twice
20100618 10:27:34< ancestral> Hehe
20100618 10:27:37< pyshee> watching it a third time, ep. 5 season 6
20100618 10:27:40< ancestral> Yeah, not a big fan of the ending
20100618 10:27:52< zookeeper> good grief. how can you watch that thing again?
20100618 10:27:54< pyshee> its entertaining.
20100618 10:27:58< zookeeper> it's annoying
20100618 10:28:05< ancestral> I disagree zookeeper
20100618 10:28:08< pyshee> you're annoying.
20100618 10:28:16< zookeeper> quite possibly
20100618 10:28:18< pyshee> PWN3d!!!1!1OneOne!
20100618 10:28:22< ancestral> Haha
20100618 10:29:22 * ancestral is sad that he can't download some software anymore 'cuz it's gone
20100618 10:29:51< pyshee> which software, precisely?
20100618 10:30:24< ancestral> Well, I'm trying to find the same software this game uses, and I think it may be this
20100618 10:30:38< ancestral> Sprite Slicer with Font Mechanic
20100618 10:31:45< pyshee> i see what you mean.
20100618 10:31:54< ancestral> It's circa 2004-2008
20100618 10:32:05< pyshee> the interwebs say it exists, but it doesnt! -.-
20100618 10:32:07< ancestral> Archive.org brings me the title page but didn't crawl the download page
20100618 10:32:36 * pyshee starts next episode.
20100618 10:32:41 * pyshee wants to sleep now.
20100618 10:32:44 * pyshee sleeps.
20100618 10:32:47 * pyshee says bye.
20100618 10:32:51< ancestral> bye
20100618 10:32:51 * pyshee spams too.
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20100618 12:38:17< rocket16> Hello all,
20100618 12:39:37< rocket16> Won't there be any new faction in Wesnoth, other than the six ones present?
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20100618 12:40:27< Rhonda> Only if you come up with a good reason and background for one. :)
20100618 12:40:40< rocket16> Rhonda: Lol, thanks, :)
20100618 12:41:28< rocket16> I would definitely like to addup a few more, although I wish them all to be mythological, like Rebels and Undead.
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20100618 12:42:06 * Rhonda . o O ( who was there first? the necromant or the undead? )
20100618 12:43:31< Valkier> I'm going with the undead. Sean Connery has been around for a long time.
20100618 12:48:04< Rhonda> touche :)
20100618 12:48:13< Rhonda> touché even.
20100618 12:54:59< sevis> Is it really generally accepted to put the .o files in the same directory as the sources? It feels messy...
20100618 12:55:19< Ivanovic> sevis: depends on the build system
20100618 12:55:54< Ivanovic> many build systems support so called "out of tree" builds so that you basically got a completely clean src dir even after building
20100618 12:56:21< sevis> Ivanovic: I'm looking at a small hobby project, no build system implemented yet.
20100618 12:56:42< sevis> Well, we've got a hand-written makefile, but that's it.
20100618 12:56:46< Ivanovic> use a decent build system and you don't care where exactly it does put .o files!
20100618 12:57:19< sevis> Okay, thanks, will do. Wesnoth uses scons, I think?
20100618 13:15:29< Ivanovic> wesnoth has scons, autotools and cmake
20100618 13:15:40< Ivanovic> (personally i prefer cmake, for me it is easy to use)
20100618 13:15:52< sevis> Okay, thanks, I'll look into it.
20100618 13:16:01< Ivanovic> what is rather known is that autotools suck
20100618 13:16:11< Ivanovic> (okay, some like it, many hate it)
20100618 13:16:23< sevis> How come? Missing features, or buggy?
20100618 13:17:04< Ivanovic> a hell to maintain, ugly to read
20100618 13:17:15< Ivanovic> you basically need several languages to make use of all the stuff
20100618 13:17:24< Ivanovic> from m4 over bash to *no idea what else*
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20100618 13:17:37< sevis> Ah, okay, I'll avoid that, then.
20100618 13:18:19< Ivanovic> where scons is python only and cmake is cmake syntax (specifically for building stuff) though you *can* of course embed some bash and the likes if wanted
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20100618 16:20:49< Valkier> Yo
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20100618 17:05:02< Unnheulu> 151 turn scenario in brent :O
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20100618 18:31:28< mpiechotka> wmllint in 1.8 changed "user_team_name=_ name" into "user_team_name=_ _ Undead". Is it correct and if yes why?
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20100618 18:34:27< Soliton> sounds broken. report to esr in #wesnoth-dev.
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20100618 18:49:10< zookeeper> mpiechotka, yes, sounds broken but also your original syntax is very unrecommended...if it works right in the first place, might not
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20100618 21:24:38< Unnheulu> Is it just me, or is Jastiv more stupid that I thought
20100618 21:24:53< Unnheulu> ImportError: No module named Tkinter
20100618 21:25:12< Unnheulu> so, what is this module I am missing?
20100618 21:25:25 * Unnheulu just gave him a lmgtfy link
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20100618 21:33:01< Unnheulu> Is there a python interpreter for the android yet?
20100618 21:33:18 * Unnheulu semi-aims that at Aethaeryn, who seems to be an android lover
20100618 21:34:06< Blarumyrram> He's probably not a python lover though
20100618 21:34:12< Unnheulu> Perhaps
20100618 21:34:42< Unnheulu> from my understanding, if someone makes an interpreter that gets into the app store, then someone could code stuff in python for it (with a lump of java)
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20100618 21:36:01< sevis> One sec, searching.
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20100618 21:36:24< lizard_r> maybe you can run Jython on Android?
20100618 21:36:38 * Unnheulu inquires as to what Jython is
20100618 21:36:45 * Unnheulu waits for the lmgtfy link
20100618 21:37:01< sevis> I think this is what you're looking for: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/101754/is-there-any-way-to-run-python-on-android
20100618 21:37:20< lizard_r> jython is pythonj compiled into java bytecode
20100618 21:37:26< Unnheulu> So Jython is python, except made in java not C++?
20100618 21:37:45< lizard_r> jes
20100618 21:37:45< Blarumyrram> no
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20100618 21:38:03< lizard_r> why not?
20100618 21:38:21< Blarumyrram> Because, as you said, it  compiles into java bytecode
20100618 21:41:08< sevis> Unnheulu: His Wograld thread it hillarious, I'm almost inclined to think it's a troll.
20100618 21:41:40< sevis> Although, looking at the timestamps, I'm guessing you've seen it.
20100618 21:42:19< Unnheulu> Nope
20100618 21:42:26< Unnheulu> *checks*
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20100618 21:47:17 * Unnheulu is lollinh
20100618 21:47:23< Unnheulu> *g
20100618 21:47:26< Unnheulu> *lolling
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20100618 21:49:12< Unnheulu> Heya shadowmaster
20100618 21:49:25< Unnheulu> You won't shout at me for giving Jastiv a lmgtfy link, right?
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20100618 21:50:00 * Unnheulu guesses he will :(
20100618 21:50:18-!- Unnheulu was kicked from #wesnoth by shadowmaster [I'll kick you for being such a goddamn idiot who can't do anything without asking me whether it's good or bad]
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20100618 21:51:58< Unnheulu> Anyways
20100618 21:52:22< Unnheulu> The error in both allacrost and midnight carnivals programs were blatantly obvious
20100618 21:52:36< Unnheulu> s/error/missing\ dependency/
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20100618 21:58:13 * Unnheulu finds most of the threads in off-topic boring
20100618 21:58:21< Unnheulu> I didn't use to find them so, but now-a-days...
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20100618 23:42:38< Spell> Is it just me, or is the wesnoth muliplayer server really down?
20100618 23:43:07< Ivanovic> considering that the user "lobby" is in here: don't think the whole of the wesnoth server is down
20100618 23:43:18< Ivanovic> so it will be specific to some version *if* there are issues (no idea)
20100618 23:44:32< knotwork> I think I am using 1.8.1-2, and add-ons server has been refusing connections for quite a few hours now
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20100618 23:52:32< Ivanovic> the website itself is still up, so the server is there
20100618 23:54:24< knotwork> lately when the add-ons server  is down the website still works
20100618 23:54:35< knotwork> the forum for example
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20100618 23:55:15< Ivanovic> the 1.8 mp server works
20100618 23:55:22< knotwork> seems to be going down almost regularly lately
20100618 23:55:27< Ivanovic> i restarted the addon server, it had some critical error
20100618 23:55:32< knotwork> thanks
20100618 23:56:41< Spell> Aren't the 1.8.2 Server and the 1.8 Server the same?
20100618 23:57:14< Ivanovic> they are
20100618 23:57:29< Spell> But yeah, the addOn Server works now for me
20100618 23:57:43< Ivanovic> but the addon and the mp server are different things
20100618 23:57:44< Ivanovic> ;)
20100618 23:58:04< Spell> [23:54] <Ivanovic> the 1.8 mp server works
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20100618 23:58:31< Ivanovic> and?
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20100618 23:58:53< Spell> well it isn't working here.
20100618 23:59:08< Spell> Using 1.8.2+svn
20100618 23:59:11< Ivanovic> can you connect to wesnoth.org, eg the addon server?
20100618 23:59:19< Ivanovic> can you view the website?
20100618 23:59:23< Spell> yes
20100618 23:59:38< Ivanovic> sounds strange that i can use 1.8.2+svn to connect to the mp server while you can't
20100618 23:59:43< Ivanovic> is there any error output?
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