--- Log opened Sat Jun 19 00:00:08 2010
--- Day changed Sat Jun 19 2010
20100619 00:00:08< Ivanovic> since you are using the svn version i assume that you either are on linux and can easily start from commandline or at least know how to find the log output on windows
20100619 00:00:08< Spell> no no errors
20100619 00:00:25< Spell> now
20100619 00:00:32< Spell> it work
20100619 00:00:32< Spell> s
20100619 00:00:36< Spell> :D
20100619 00:00:39< Spell> oh no
20100619 00:00:49< Spell> it doesn't >.<
20100619 00:00:56< Ivanovic> looking at the stats it wasn't down either...
20100619 00:00:58< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/cgi-bin/drraw/drraw.cgi?Mode=view;Dashboard=1243000622.8386
20100619 00:00:59< Spell> wrong server
20100619 00:01:06< Spell> tried the 3. alternative server
20100619 00:01:16< Ivanovic> okay, that one might be down
20100619 00:01:23< Ivanovic> no idea who maintains those, maybe Soliton does
20100619 00:01:27< Ivanovic> the official one is up
20100619 00:01:40< Spell> 1. Timeout 2. Timeout 3. Works
20100619 00:03:07< Spell> Is there some setting where I can change the timeout-time?
20100619 00:03:39< Spell> Maybe the response is just to slow
20100619 00:04:19< Ivanovic> like i said, the server itself is up and does work for me
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20100619 00:05:12< Spell> Maybe your internet has a faster ping and thus the response is fast enough for you ;)
20100619 00:05:48< Ivanovic> if it really is your connect: sorry, bad luck, can't help you at all!
20100619 00:06:29< Spell> I've now set the timeout to 50 Seconds. If it doesn't work now it can't be
20100619 00:07:03< Spell> hm still timeout
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20100619 00:09:03< Spell> oh wait
20100619 00:09:09< Spell> it ain't timeouts
20100619 00:09:14< Ivanovic> normal timeout is 30s which should be plenty!
20100619 00:09:30< Spell> Just broken connections
20100619 00:10:10< Ivanovic> set the value to zero and be done
20100619 00:10:25< Spell> It is
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20100619 00:19:34< Spell> Hm. Am I the only one who can't connect to the first and second server? :/
20100619 00:21:50< Spell> only idlers here? :s
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20100619 00:25:11< Aethaeryn> Spell: poke
20100619 00:25:17< Aethaeryn> Spell: look for "lobby"
20100619 00:25:26< Aethaeryn> if "lobby" is here, the server is probably up
20100619 00:25:42< Aethaeryn> if the server is down, lobby usually times out after 240-260 seconds
20100619 00:25:56< Aethaeryn> so it's possible that the lobby is down < 4-5 minutes
20100619 00:26:01< Aethaeryn> but otherwise it has to be up
20100619 00:26:29< Aethaeryn> now there could be lag, or the server could be up and for some reason you can't access it
20100619 00:26:32< Aethaeryn> but the server itself is up
20100619 00:28:57< Aethaeryn> and I'm in 1.8
20100619 00:29:30< Spell> hm
20100619 00:29:40< Aethaeryn> just connected
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20100619 04:20:43< PeterPorty> oh dear god... finally home...
20100619 04:20:46< PeterPorty> hi guys
20100619 04:21:01< elvish_sovereign> hi PeterPorty
20100619 04:21:15< PeterPorty> hi elvish_sovereign 
20100619 04:21:20< PeterPorty> how you doin?
20100619 04:21:27< elvish_sovereign> fine i guess
20100619 04:21:29< elvish_sovereign> you?
20100619 04:21:41< PeterPorty> I'm cool
20100619 04:21:50< PeterPorty> kinda tired tho, just getting home
20100619 04:21:59< elvish_sovereign> :)
20100619 04:22:05< PeterPorty> =D
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20100619 04:59:06< PeterPorty> Ivanovic, excellent goal agains Germany dude...
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20100619 04:59:44< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: he is sleeping.
20100619 04:59:56< PeterPorty> :(
20100619 05:09:17< PeterPorty> so... shadowmaster, are we winning the world cup, or you think Germany or Argentina might win?
20100619 05:09:37< shadowmaster> I'm not into sports.
20100619 05:10:00< PeterPorty> but... you can still make predictions, can't you?
20100619 05:10:22< shadowmaster> no
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20100619 05:10:49< PeterPorty> don't lie
20100619 05:11:03< PeterPorty> it's on the Bible, you know?
20100619 05:11:17< shadowmaster> I've never read the Bible.
20100619 05:11:24< PeterPorty> 'Thou shall not lie'
20100619 05:11:35< shadowmaster> And I'm not lying.
20100619 05:11:42< PeterPorty> me either, not completely at least
20100619 05:11:54< PeterPorty> you are, you *can* make predictions
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20100619 05:12:29< PeterPorty> haha, very funny
20100619 05:12:42< elvish_sovereign> tahaha
20100619 05:12:50< PeterPorty> you just can't handle failure, can you?
20100619 05:12:55< PeterPorty> you, F00L!
20100619 05:13:10< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: are you here only to poke fun at people, or are you doing something useful in the community?
20100619 05:13:40< PeterPorty> I'm doing something useful in the comunity AND messig with you
20100619 05:13:45< PeterPorty> messing*
20100619 05:14:00< shadowmaster> what is this useful thing you do?
20100619 05:14:10< PeterPorty> a lot of stuff
20100619 05:14:22< shadowmaster> be more specific.
20100619 05:14:26< PeterPorty> for instance, I bring joy to depressed users
20100619 05:14:30< PeterPorty> such as you...
20100619 05:14:45< shadowmaster> let's see how much joy you'll ring me when I ban you
20100619 05:14:49< shadowmaster> *wring[B*bring
20100619 05:15:04< PeterPorty> I also help playtesting the game
20100619 05:15:17< PeterPorty> and I help people at the forums
20100619 05:15:22< shadowmaster> because I can't really bear your presence anymore.
20100619 05:15:29< PeterPorty> awww...
20100619 05:15:33< PeterPorty> you know you love me
20100619 05:16:01< shadowmaster> I can't believe that you accuse me of lying out of fucking nowhere.
20100619 05:16:09< PeterPorty> dude...
20100619 05:16:25< PeterPorty> <PeterPorty> but... you can still make predictions, can't you?
20100619 05:16:25< PeterPorty> <shadowmaster> no
20100619 05:16:29< PeterPorty> you CAN
20100619 05:16:35< shadowmaster> no, I can't.
20100619 05:16:43< PeterPorty> ...dude...
20100619 05:16:51< PeterPorty> you can guess
20100619 05:16:55< shadowmaster> I'm not a god, or oracle, or something.
20100619 05:16:59< shadowmaster> and I don't care about sports.
20100619 05:17:17< PeterPorty> not necesarly what WILL happen, just what you think
20100619 05:17:31< shadowmaster> I don't think about it nor I need to.
20100619 05:18:02< PeterPorty> I'm not much into sports either, but... it's your country, and I know you hate this 'hellhole of a country', but it is still YOUR country
20100619 05:18:15< shadowmaster> and I don't care about sports.
20100619 05:18:42< shadowmaster> not at all. Not even a tiny bit.
20100619 05:18:54< PeterPorty> Chile, not  football, Chile
20100619 05:18:59< PeterPorty> it's something bigger
20100619 05:19:07< shadowmaster> I don't care about it.
20100619 05:19:21< shadowmaster> a stupid soccer match in a worldcup won't define the future of the country.
20100619 05:19:28< PeterPorty> it might
20100619 05:19:35< PeterPorty> it... increases tourism
20100619 05:19:36< shadowmaster> but 22:23:48 <shadowmaster> I don't care
20100619 05:19:58< elvish_sovereign> PeterPorty: Petey, I think you should stop bugging shadowmaster
20100619 05:20:01< shadowmaster> is it really that difficult to get my point across?
20100619 05:20:14< PeterPorty> see? that's your answer for everything, when I have a good enough argument you just get away
20100619 05:20:23 * PeterPorty shuts up being mad
20100619 05:20:26< shadowmaster> your argument may be good for you but it isn't for me
20100619 05:20:38< shadowmaster> firstly because I don't care about sports, and secondly because I don't care about the country.
20100619 05:21:28< PeterPorty> and THAT is your problem, I understand you don't care about sports, but if something happens to your country, it happens to you
20100619 05:22:27< shadowmaster> weren't you going to shut up?
20100619 05:22:56< PeterPorty> ...you can be a real ass sometimes, you know?
20100619 05:23:26< shadowmaster> yes, I know.
20100619 05:23:36< shadowmaster> if that bothers you, then avoid me.
20100619 05:23:53< PeterPorty> no, I actually like it...
20100619 05:23:58< PeterPorty> you are.... special
20100619 05:24:04< PeterPorty> somewhat like me....
20100619 05:24:11< PeterPorty> in a completely opposite way
20100619 05:24:19< PeterPorty> and I find that amusing
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20100619 05:25:20< PeterPorty> you gonna ban someone for saying he like they way you act?
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20100619 05:25:41< elvish_sovereign> o.O
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20100619 05:25:52< PeterPorty> haha, very funny
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20100619 05:26:20<@shadowmaster> indeed.
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20100619 05:28:39< PittPorty> ...
20100619 05:28:45< PittPorty> wth
20100619 05:29:03< shadowmaster> please don't tell me that you are actually evading a ban.
20100619 05:29:24< PittPorty> please don't tell me you are abusing your op thingy
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20100619 05:29:31< PittPorty> your... oppyiness
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20100619 05:29:56< elvish_sovereign> o.O
20100619 05:30:25< shadowmaster> that's why I'm not into sports or politics.
20100619 05:30:40< elvish_sovereign> haha, we're on the same boat
20100619 05:30:55< elvish_sovereign> I'm not into sports wither
20100619 05:30:58< elvish_sovereign> either*
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20100619 09:36:19< Ivanovic> moin
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20100619 11:59:31< idul> how do i go about playing npcs on my created maps? do i need to create a full scenario or campaign?
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20100619 12:08:06< idul> there is no way to play edited maps locally?
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20100619 12:13:30< zookeeper> idul, what do you mean?
20100619 12:13:55< zookeeper> you can play any map or scenario locally, just pick "local game" from the MP menu
20100619 12:14:11< zookeeper> if you want there to be extra units on the maps then you need to make a full scenario for it
20100619 12:14:32< Unnheulu|Laptop> Mehmeh full scenario
20100619 12:14:33< idul> i read in the online documentation that if i wanted to play a single player game on a map i created that i would have to launch it through the online multiplayer lobby
20100619 12:14:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> A handfull of tag
20100619 12:14:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> s
20100619 12:14:45< idul> aaahhh
20100619 12:14:51< idul> ok then
20100619 12:15:39< zookeeper> idul, huh? what page says something like that?
20100619 12:16:43< zookeeper> the wiki is full of outdated bogus information, but that sounds particularly clueless...
20100619 12:17:19< idul> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/BuildingMaps#Play_your_map
20100619 12:17:24< idul> indeed it was in the wiki
20100619 12:17:54< zookeeper> "Then, when you launch the game and host a multiplayer game, ..."?
20100619 12:18:24< zookeeper> i guess "host"ing implies being online, but at least it doesn't explicitly say you have to ;)
20100619 12:18:30< idul> yeah thats the part that made me assume i had to pipe it through the lobby
20100619 12:18:38< idul> but i get what you are saying now
20100619 12:18:49< zookeeper> afk for a bit... ->
20100619 12:19:49< idul> maybe someone should update the wiki. i would do it but i dont know enough yet. just discovered wesnoth the other day
20100619 12:20:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> idul, its just mediawiki
20100619 12:20:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> (wikimedia?) <- not sure which one, ones the organisation :P
20100619 12:21:20< idul> i meant not knowin enough about the game yet.... well, i guess editing wikis is a game all in itself :)
20100619 12:21:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> Aha :D
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20100619 14:32:10< Tiy> Hello guys, could anyone recommend some multiplayer (coop) campaigns to me?
20100619 14:32:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> Gambit's Empire Builder
20100619 14:32:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> Not a campaign as such
20100619 14:32:47< Rhonda> There is this one official.
20100619 14:33:21< Gambit> Tiy: Brotherhood of Light is really good.
20100619 14:33:25< Tiy> wow this looks interesting, open ended?
20100619 14:33:29< Blarumyrran> There was one where you had to escape bugs and forge a patch
20100619 14:33:40< Tiy> ill look into that one too
20100619 14:33:43< Blarumyrran> (But bugs looked like spiders, of course)
20100619 14:33:48< Blarumyrran> I don't know what happened to that one
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20100619 14:34:05< Gambit> My Empire Builder kills puppies :o
20100619 14:37:06< Tiy> Gambit, I'm reading the opening post in your thread, but I'm having trouble understanding exactly what the empire builder is :)
20100619 14:37:15< Tiy> probably because I'm a wesnoth newbie
20100619 14:37:33< Gambit> Tiy: Wesnoth lacks terraforming, construction, and any resources other than gold.
20100619 14:37:38< Gambit> In a nutshell GEB aims to add those.
20100619 14:37:45< Gambit> Two new resources (wood and food)
20100619 14:37:58< Tiy> Ah, so it's not actually a campaign / scenario?
20100619 14:38:00< Gambit> Over a dozen buildings you can construct
20100619 14:38:13< Gambit> Tiy: Nope. I'm not sure why he recommended that. It's as long as a campaign though.
20100619 14:38:19< Gambit> It can take a long time to play.
20100619 14:38:30< Tiy> so do you just play it on a regular multiplayer map?
20100619 14:40:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> Yup
20100619 14:40:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> Any map you like
20100619 14:40:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> I <3 it
20100619 14:40:27< Gambit> Any multiplayer map where side 1 and 2 are humans.
20100619 14:40:28< Tiy> and its competative?
20100619 14:40:38< Gambit> Tiy: On a regular map it's competitive.
20100619 14:40:44< Gambit> But you can combine it with other addons.
20100619 14:40:48< Gambit> Like survival extreme
20100619 14:41:05< Tiy> ah and then you just have to build an empire and survive for as long as possible?
20100619 14:41:15< Gambit> *one a regular map it's competitive as the players make it
20100619 14:41:31< Gambit> GEB is very friendly to diplomacy
20100619 14:41:35< Gambit> Because you can trade gold and units in it.
20100619 14:42:44< Gambit> I always try to make treaties when I play. Building is way more fun than fighting.
20100619 14:42:54< Gambit> At least until you're far enough in to support a navy
20100619 14:43:11< Tiy> I see, sounds fun
20100619 14:43:21< Tiy> do you think its a bit too much for me though? seeing as I'm pretty new to wesnoth?
20100619 14:43:23< Tiy> or is it easy to learn
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20100619 14:43:39< Gambit> It's not easy to learn.
20100619 14:45:00< Tiy> maybe i should hold off a bit then
20100619 14:45:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> It's fairly easy to learn after a while
20100619 14:45:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> It just takes a bit of effort at first :)
20100619 14:45:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> (hint, don't go on the big map...you'll regret it! :D)
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20100619 14:57:35< Tiy> thanks for the recommendations guys
20100619 15:00:20< Tiy> Wesnoth is a superb game, I played it once a long time ago, but only really got into it recently on the ipad
20100619 15:00:29< Tiy> theres a huge amount of charm in using a touch screen to play :P
20100619 15:00:48 * Unnheulu|Laptop finds the iPods reso a bit small for wesnoth
20100619 15:00:53< Tiy> ipad ;P
20100619 15:00:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> Haven't tried the iPad
20100619 15:01:01< Tiy> yeah i couldnt play it on the iphone
20100619 15:01:07< Unnheulu|Laptop> Has it even been released in the UK yet?
20100619 15:01:12< Tiy> yeah it has
20100619 15:01:36 * Unnheulu|Laptop will look out for the oversized iPod when he's next in town
20100619 15:01:58< Tiy> We're developers of an open source game too :P and we're playing a lot of wesnoth atm
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20100619 15:17:13< Tiy> does gender have any affect beyond visual?
20100619 15:18:38< zookeeper> no
20100619 15:18:54< zookeeper> well, not beyond visual and audio :p
20100619 15:20:42< Tiy> I love the little animations the troops have now, beautiful
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20100619 15:28:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> Tiy, what game?
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20100619 15:28:40< Tiy> hm?
20100619 15:29:04< Unnheulu|Laptop> Do you develop?
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20100619 15:30:02< Tiy> hedgewars
20100619 15:30:20 * Unnheulu|Laptop googles it
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20100619 15:31:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ooh, looks cool
20100619 15:31:11< Tiy> :)
20100619 15:31:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> You ever tried xmoto?
20100619 15:34:11< Tiy> i have indeed
20100619 15:35:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> You ever played in network in it?
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20100619 15:35:40< Tiy> it has network play? o_O
20100619 15:35:48< Unnheulu> Since 0.5.x
20100619 15:35:49< Tiy> is that new?
20100619 15:35:54< Tiy> that sounds like lots of fun
20100619 15:36:05< Unnheulu> You can't do a lot in it
20100619 15:36:17< Unnheulu> It's just chatting and seeing eachothers ghosts; for now
20100619 15:36:24< Tiy> still sounds like fun
20100619 15:36:28< Unnheulu> Heh
20100619 15:36:37< Unnheulu> More fun than by yourself I guess :P
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20100619 15:39:44< Tiy> xmoto could really use a graphics revamp
20100619 15:39:52< Unnheulu> Hmm
20100619 15:40:08< Unnheulu> The graphics are all textures that have been validated at some point or another
20100619 15:40:16< Unnheulu> How they are put together depends on the level author
20100619 15:40:43< Unnheulu> And level authors are very resilient with being told to change their level in anyway
20100619 15:41:27< Tiy> hmm I see
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20100619 15:52:08< Tiy>  hey Unnheulu, on this multiplayer map, there are monsters turned to stone
20100619 15:52:11< Tiy> can I.. wake them? or something
20100619 15:52:41< Unnheulu> Nope
20100619 15:52:45< Unnheulu> They're just statues
20100619 15:52:46< Tiy> theyre just for show?
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20100619 15:52:47< Tiy> oh
20100619 15:52:51< Tiy> they have stats and everything :P
20100619 15:52:53< Unnheulu> (Is it the two player map)
20100619 15:52:57< Tiy> yeah
20100619 15:53:06< Unnheulu> Yeh, its a unit that has been turned to stone
20100619 15:53:17< Unnheulu> I dunno, it might be possible in debug mode, ask zookeeper
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20100619 16:10:15< qdii> hey
20100619 16:10:27< qdii> can you install wesnoth to run as a server, without any GUI involved ?
20100619 16:10:52< Blarumyrran> wesnothd
20100619 16:11:46< Blarumyrran> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Wesnothd
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20100619 17:21:26< Tiy> How do I make sure players are on the correct teams?
20100619 17:21:39< Tiy> for instance, if I want to do a 2v2, on the 4p - Clash map. Youve got east and west
20100619 17:22:16< Tiy> does that mean west and east are teams in themselves?
20100619 17:24:08< Blarumyrran> it's usually by dir€ctionš, y€š
20100619 17:24:16< Blarumyrran> oh god what button did I pr€šš now
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20100619 17:46:30< Tiy> if someone disconnects from a game im playing, but is failing to time out, is there a way i can force control of their team, to give it back to them once they rejoin?
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20100619 18:56:43< PeterPorty> Omg, omg, omg, omg! Nick Vujicic is coming to my school!
20100619 18:57:21< PeterPorty> hi btw
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20100619 19:02:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> Erm
20100619 19:02:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> Who?
20100619 19:02:44< PeterPorty> You kiddin', right?
20100619 19:03:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> I have no clue
20100619 19:03:33< PeterPorty> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Vujicic
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20100619 19:09:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> PeterPorty, so?
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20100619 19:10:14< PeterPorty> r u friggin kiddin me?
20100619 19:10:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> No
20100619 19:10:25< PeterPorty> he's like... the most important person ever!
20100619 19:10:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> Is he?
20100619 19:10:35< PeterPorty> YES
20100619 19:10:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> Care to elaborate
20100619 19:10:56< PeterPorty> he is... the limbless preacher
20100619 19:11:07< PeterPorty> and he's coming to give us a speech!
20100619 19:11:08< Unnheulu|Laptop> So?
20100619 19:11:14< PeterPorty> >.<
20100619 19:11:19< PeterPorty> he's important
20100619 19:11:51< PeterPorty> And he's been hired to come talk to us
20100619 19:12:04< PeterPorty> HE will give ME a speech
20100619 19:12:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ok...
20100619 19:12:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> Forgive me if I'm not jumping with excitement right now
20100619 19:12:46 * Unnheulu|Laptop gets on with his homework
20100619 19:12:49< PeterPorty> ...
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20100619 19:13:08< PeterPorty> AND he's funny
20100619 19:13:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> http://pastebin.com/Kg3KdLSQ
20100619 19:13:53< Unnheulu|Laptop> What was I thinking when I did that? >.>
20100619 19:14:22< PeterPorty> ...
20100619 19:14:56< PeterPorty> may the might of Nick Vujicic fall upon yourself and your loved ones
20100619 19:15:13< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'm jedi :)
20100619 19:15:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> Midnight carnival told me the force is strong in me so I must be :)
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20100619 19:18:14 * Unnheulu|Laptop is kidding about being jedi -> you won't find out his real religion!
20100619 19:20:01< PeterPorty> ...
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20100619 19:20:25< PeterPorty> Midnight Carnival is like the coolest person in all of Wesnoth
20100619 19:20:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> Anyways
20100619 19:21:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> I wasn't kidding about him mixing java and python
20100619 19:21:39< PeterPorty> Unnheulu|Laptop, you are an atheist
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20100619 19:21:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> NO!
20100619 19:22:16< PeterPorty> well...
20100619 19:22:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> Anyways
20100619 19:22:26< PeterPorty> you are a Christian...
20100619 19:22:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> He had nonsense like,
20100619 19:22:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> mud= new Terrain("morass",[],4,0,0)
20100619 19:22:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> mud=Terrain("morass",[],4,0,0) is all he needed
20100619 19:22:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> the "new" is java
20100619 19:23:02< PeterPorty> Anglican comes to my mind...
20100619 19:23:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> Not quite
20100619 19:23:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> Baptist
20100619 19:23:41< PeterPorty> oh...
20100619 19:23:44< PeterPorty> well
20100619 19:23:53< PeterPorty> was going to be my third guess
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20100619 19:38:04< PeterPorty> lunch time... bbl
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20100619 19:42:36< zooko> Folks: my son (age 9) is trying to make a campaign.
20100619 19:42:42< zooko> It seems like it isn't finding his map.
20100619 19:43:02< zooko> Should it still be: map_data="{@campaigns/Test_Campaign/maps/testmap}"
20100619 19:43:20< zooko> as shown in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/BuildingScenariosSimple
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20100619 19:43:23< zookeeper> no
20100619 19:43:23< zooko> for Wesnoth 1.8?
20100619 19:43:28< Unnheulu|Laptop> That's outdated
20100619 19:43:30< zooko> Or should we change "@campaigns" to "@add-ons" ?
20100619 19:43:37< zooko> Is there some new doc we could follow instead?
20100619 19:43:37< zookeeper> should be map_data="{~add-ons/Test_Campaign/maps/testmap.map}"
20100619 19:43:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> In fact, I think it still has my campaign skeleton on  it for 1.4
20100619 19:44:03< zookeeper> (assuming of course that you have the file in <userdata>/data/Test_Campaign/maps/testmap.map)
20100619 19:44:07< zookeeper> err
20100619 19:44:16< zookeeper> (assuming of course that you have the file in <userdata>/data/add-ons/Test_Campaign/maps/testmap.map)
20100619 19:45:19< zooko> Is there a tutorial for 1.8 that he could follow?
20100619 19:45:20< zookeeper> zooko, my usual advice to beginning campaign-makers is to download the "dead water" campaign from the add-on server and then just start changing it to make your own campaign
20100619 19:45:25< zookeeper> no, not really
20100619 19:45:27< zooko> zookeeper: thanks for the advice!
20100619 19:45:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> zookeeper, why dead water?
20100619 19:45:42 * Unnheulu|Laptop used that weird gryphon one
20100619 19:45:54< zookeeper> because dead water is a good simple campaign which has very well commented simple code
20100619 19:45:54 * Unnheulu|Laptop guesses dw is the best written
20100619 19:46:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ah
20100619 19:46:39 * Unnheulu|Laptop doesn't see why wesnoth can't use something simple, like python, or lua
20100619 19:47:24< zookeeper> zooko, frankly i don't really have a grasp on what 9 year olds can do, but i'd think that just copying and changing stuff would be a good way to start
20100619 19:47:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> 9 year olds can do a lot
20100619 19:48:03< Unnheulu|Laptop> I could do basic C++ at 7
20100619 19:48:04< zookeeper> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReferenceWML is the thing to check what everything does exactly
20100619 19:48:11< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hated it, but I could do it
20100619 19:48:15< zookeeper> right
20100619 19:48:30< zookeeper> when i was 9 i was just playing snes :P
20100619 19:48:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> :D
20100619 19:48:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> When I was 9 I had given up programming
20100619 19:49:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> It takes too long & the attention span of a 9 year old is low :P
20100619 19:49:25< zookeeper> when i was 13 i tried programming for the first time in school, just some turbo pascal and drawing random circles on the screen
20100619 19:49:28< Blarumyrran> When I was 9 I had Pascal
20100619 19:50:05< Unnheulu|Laptop> 13?
20100619 19:50:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> The "GCSE" for IT in the UK doesn't have an programming on it at all
20100619 19:50:41< Unnheulu|Laptop> And that starts at 14 :P
20100619 19:51:11< Blarumyrran> When I was 7, I opened the level files of Dangerous Dave 2 in a dos text editor, and deleted repeating texts that sounded like they would be monsters
20100619 19:51:16< Blarumyrran> The levels wouldn
20100619 19:51:22< Blarumyrran> 't run anymore :P
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20100619 19:52:55< Unnheulu|Laptop> I correct myself
20100619 19:53:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> From September 2010 there will be a GCSE course in programming
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20100619 19:54:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> zooko, good luck with your sons campaign :)
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20100619 19:57:01< zooko> Thanks!
20100619 19:57:04< zooko> oops, bye
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20100619 21:06:51< Hulavuta> Hi
20100619 21:10:53< PeterPorty> hi Hulavuta 
20100619 21:11:02< Hulavuta> HI
20100619 21:11:32< PeterPorty> :)
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20100619 21:14:36< Hulavuta> :-D
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20100619 21:18:21< Tiy> is there some sort of.. tier list?
20100619 21:19:00< Blarumyrran> http://units.wesnoth.org/1.8/C/mainline.html
20100619 21:19:14< Tiy> ah I mean in terms of
20100619 21:19:20< Tiy> which units are considered the most "powerful" 
20100619 21:19:24< Tiy> given an average situation
20100619 21:19:27< Tiy> which faction
20100619 21:19:32< zookeeper> no, there isn't
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20100619 21:19:37< Blarumyrran> In an average situation,
20100619 21:19:46< Blarumyrran> level2 are considered more powerful than level1
20100619 21:19:59< Blarumyrran> And level3 are considered more powerful than level2
20100619 21:20:10< PeterPorty> :)
20100619 21:20:12< Hulavuta> and level4 are considered more powerful than level3
20100619 21:20:16< Tiy> hehe :)
20100619 21:20:21< Blarumyrran> There's a subtle pattern there
20100619 21:20:25< Tiy> I'm talking about factions, not individual units
20100619 21:20:34< Tiy> i.e. are elves considered more powerful than loyalists
20100619 21:20:37< Hulavuta> Well, they're all balanced, right?
20100619 21:20:37< PeterPorty> also some level 5 are considered stronger than level 4.
20100619 21:20:42< Gambit> No Faction Is More Powerful Than Any Other (tm)
20100619 21:20:51< Blarumyrran> Random is considered the strongest if fog is on
20100619 21:20:52< Tiy> Surely they're not all perfectly balanced :P
20100619 21:20:57< Gambit> Wesnoth Mainline Is Perfectly Balanced (c)
20100619 21:21:08< PeterPorty> they are
20100619 21:21:17< Gambit> Tiy: Yeah. They really are.
20100619 21:21:18< Hulavuta> Perfect is impossible, but they are close enough that you can't give "one faction is better than another"
20100619 21:21:18< PeterPorty> the mainline ones at least
20100619 21:21:33< Gambit> It always comes down the the player's skill.
20100619 21:21:33< Tiy> hm okey
20100619 21:21:37< Blarumyrran> You can of course easily make a map where it isn
20100619 21:21:38< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, not true, look at me!
20100619 21:21:41< Blarumyrran> 't balanced
20100619 21:21:42< Gambit> Except on the blue moon when it comes down to the RNG.
20100619 21:21:50< Hulavuta> Why, are you looking up which faction is the best or something?
20100619 21:22:45< PeterPorty> umm...possibly to win on mp?
20100619 21:22:57 * Gambit whispers "rebels are best"
20100619 21:23:02< PeterPorty> lol
20100619 21:23:05< Hulavuta> That wasn't my question...
20100619 21:23:10< Gambit> Because they have woses!
20100619 21:23:13< PeterPorty> not true, they are the worst
20100619 21:23:17< Hulavuta> I put a comma after "why"
20100619 21:23:24< PeterPorty> oh
20100619 21:23:28< PeterPorty> yes he is
20100619 21:23:30< Hulavuta> ok
20100619 21:23:30< PeterPorty> :)
20100619 21:23:31< Hulavuta> lol
20100619 21:23:32< Gambit> And woses are the strongest unit in the game11one!1eleven!
20100619 21:23:35< Tiy> In the majority of competative games, although skill is the deciding factor, there is usually a subtle ranking of players/factions/sides
20100619 21:23:42< Gambit> [/noob impersonation]
20100619 21:23:51< Blarumyrran> Tiy, what's the strongest side in starcraft
20100619 21:23:58< Blarumyrran> I'm all ears
20100619 21:24:00< PeterPorty> not on Wesnoth Tiy, Wesnoth is perfect
20100619 21:24:45< Hulavuta> Zerg
20100619 21:24:46< Hulavuta> Zerg
20100619 21:24:47< Hulavuta> Zerg
20100619 21:24:48< Hulavuta> Zerg
20100619 21:24:49< Hulavuta> Zerg
20100619 21:24:50< Hulavuta> Zerg
20100619 21:24:51< Hulavuta> Zerg
20100619 21:24:54< Hulavuta> and Protoss
20100619 21:24:54< PeterPorty> shut up
20100619 21:24:59< Hulavuta> no u
20100619 21:25:01< Tiy> Blarumyrran, starcraft isnt the best example, given that there are only 3 options its relatively easy to balance compared to certain other games
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20100619 21:25:06< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, stop spamming
20100619 21:25:16< Tiy> most fighting games, the most competative ones, have players that are considered top tier
20100619 21:25:17< Blarumyrran> starcraft is the prime example of @competitive@
20100619 21:25:23< Tiy> despite the fact the most skilled players almost always winning
20100619 21:25:30< Hulavuta> I already did, and you aren't the boss of me
20100619 21:25:31< Blarumyrran> Ugh I can't get used to this keyboard...
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20100619 21:25:38< Hulavuta> And also, Wesnoth is not a fighting game!
20100619 21:25:47< Tiy> sure
20100619 21:25:59< Tiy> i just find it difficult to believe anything with so many options is perfectly balanced ;P
20100619 21:26:02< Blarumyrran> I didn't know fighting games were competitive
20100619 21:26:13< Hulavuta> The game has been around since 2002-03 
20100619 21:26:16< PeterPorty> Tiy, better believe it
20100619 21:26:27< Hulavuta> It's been tested a lot
20100619 21:26:28< PeterPorty> Wesnoth is a masterpiece
20100619 21:26:41< Hulavuta> Tiy: I'm guessing you're new?
20100619 21:26:47< Blarumyrran> As in, there some actually serious competitions on them like there are for starcraft
20100619 21:26:47< Tiy> Yeah I am
20100619 21:26:52< Tiy> thats why im asking questions ;P
20100619 21:27:01< Blarumyrran> +are*
20100619 21:27:05< PeterPorty> I ask questions all the time
20100619 21:27:11< Hulavuta> Don't worry, you will conform to us eventually. hehehehe>:o
20100619 21:27:12< PeterPorty> and I'm not new
20100619 21:27:24< Hulavuta> He's asking new guy questions
20100619 21:27:25< Tiy> Is there anywhere I can read up on specific strategies to use with particular factions
20100619 21:27:34< Hulavuta> And they're not a LOT of options. Only double the amount of StarCraft
20100619 21:27:41< PeterPorty> look: Hulavuta, what happens when my wose uses a ranged attack on mp?
20100619 21:27:57< Hulavuta> wut?
20100619 21:28:08< PeterPorty> will I get an OSS?
20100619 21:28:19< PeterPorty> The attack I added to it
20100619 21:28:24< PeterPorty> the cutting leaves
20100619 21:28:30< PeterPorty> to my bulbasur Wose
20100619 21:28:57< Hulavuta> Why did you say "look:"
20100619 21:29:10< Hulavuta> Also, it will probably cause OSS
20100619 21:29:17< Hulavuta> But I'm not the one to ask'
20100619 21:29:25< PeterPorty> because I was showing the other guy that old people also do stupid questions
20100619 21:29:29< Hulavuta> Tiy: Check the forums
20100619 21:29:34< Hulavuta> "Strategies and Tips" forum
20100619 21:29:42< Tiy> id like to get going with undead
20100619 21:29:44< PeterPorty> not that his questions were stupid or anything....
20100619 21:29:46< Tiy> but im finding it really difficult :D
20100619 21:29:54< PeterPorty> try loyalists at first
20100619 21:29:54< Hulavuta> Try the "Strategies and Tips" forum
20100619 21:30:04< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: stfu don't tell him what to do
20100619 21:30:06< Tiy> I think ive got loyalists and elves down somewhat
20100619 21:30:14< PeterPorty> everyone starts with loyalists
20100619 21:30:23< PeterPorty> then rebels
20100619 21:30:33< Gambit> I started with rebels. No wonder I don't know how to play this game yet.
20100619 21:30:35< PeterPorty> then they try drakes or undead and they fail
20100619 21:30:46< PeterPorty> back to loyalists
20100619 21:30:51< PeterPorty> then northeners
20100619 21:31:00< PeterPorty> knalgas
20100619 21:31:05< PeterPorty> rbels again
20100619 21:31:09< PeterPorty> rebels*
20100619 21:31:12< PeterPorty> undead
20100619 21:31:19< Tiy> I get the feeling the undeaad are supposed to have some sort of steamroller effect going on
20100619 21:31:21< PeterPorty> they finally learn to use drakes
20100619 21:31:33< PeterPorty> and then they use random
20100619 21:31:45< Hulavuta> Hmm, I started with Drakes, I'm pretty good, and I can't even beat the COMPUTER with Rebels
20100619 21:31:55< PeterPorty> hahhaha
20100619 21:31:58< PeterPorty> you suck
20100619 21:32:06< Hulavuta> You're missing the point.
20100619 21:32:10< Hulavuta> Read the first part
20100619 21:32:23< PeterPorty> well, the single player campaigns teach you how to use loyalists and rebeks mainly
20100619 21:32:26< Hulavuta> I'm good with Drakes but I didn't start with Elves
20100619 21:32:40< Hulavuta> Or Loyalists
20100619 21:32:43< PeterPorty> well, you, me and everyone else know you are a special case
20100619 21:32:54< Hulavuta> I learned how to use the evil factions and the Drakes
20100619 21:32:59< PeterPorty> damn, why do I keep writing rebels wrong?
20100619 21:33:00< Hulavuta> None of the "good guys"
20100619 21:33:11< PeterPorty> drakes are good guys
20100619 21:33:16< Hulavuta> I know
20100619 21:33:23< PeterPorty> drakes and elves are good guys
20100619 21:33:31< Hulavuta> But I already said that I used the Drakes and the Evil factions
20100619 21:33:47< PeterPorty> all others are the bad, corrupted societies
20100619 21:33:48< Hulavuta> And since I said that first it changes the statement 
20100619 21:33:57< Hulavuta> Peter, you are starting to piss the hell out of me...
20100619 21:34:13< PeterPorty> Dwarves are more of a neutral one tho
20100619 21:34:31< shadowmaster> elves are god guys?
20100619 21:34:33< PeterPorty> a regular effect I have on people, Hula
20100619 21:34:40< PeterPorty> yes, Elves are good guys
20100619 21:34:43< PeterPorty> with Drakes
20100619 21:34:52< shadowmaster> THE ELVES CONTACTED URIA!
20100619 21:34:53< PeterPorty> and Dwarves are in the middle
20100619 21:34:59< shadowmaster> I mean, dammit
20100619 21:35:17< PeterPorty> and Undead, Orcs and Humans are the bad guys
20100619 21:35:18< Hulavuta> I'm putting you on ignore
20100619 21:35:20< shadowmaster> have you any idea how much evil the elves did after the Fall?
20100619 21:35:25< Hulavuta> Humans are not bad guys though
20100619 21:35:30< PeterPorty> they are
20100619 21:35:37< shadowmaster> also, Landar and his bunch during the mainline time
20100619 21:35:38< Hulavuta> Not always
20100619 21:35:46< Hulavuta> The Elves are pretty evil too
20100619 21:35:58< Hulavuta> if the humans are evil than the elves are too
20100619 21:36:02< PeterPorty> I know, but you are good once, you are a normal person, you are bad once, and you are evil
20100619 21:36:17< PeterPorty> nah, Elves are like they gay part of wensoth
20100619 21:36:26< Hulavuta> It could be said that the Elves are eviler than the humans
20100619 21:36:27< shadowmaster> there's no such a thing like absolute Good in Wesnoth.
20100619 21:36:29< PeterPorty> they don't like fighting and stuff
20100619 21:36:42< PeterPorty> they hug trees, you know
20100619 21:36:44< shadowmaster> and for not liking figthing, damn they can get genocidial
20100619 21:36:48< Hulavuta> They decided not to help the humans if they got attacked, they tried to kill all of the orcs and all of the saurians
20100619 21:37:05< PeterPorty> orcs, humans and saurians are evil
20100619 21:37:09< PeterPorty> so.. yeah
20100619 21:37:12< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: are you even paying attention to me?
20100619 21:37:13< PeterPorty> specially saurians
20100619 21:37:19< PeterPorty> I am
20100619 21:37:37< shadowmaster> do you realize I'm hilighting the elves' genoicidial tendences?
20100619 21:37:39< PeterPorty> well, I'd say Drake are the most good faction
20100619 21:37:45< shadowmaster> *tendencies
20100619 21:38:10< PeterPorty> yeah, yeah, and sending women to be killed by orcs and stuff, I know...
20100619 21:38:39< Hulavuta> They tried to kill off all of the humans, all of the Orcs, all of the Saurians, 
20100619 21:38:52< Hulavuta> That's pretty evil
20100619 21:39:01< shadowmaster> the elves effectively destroyed the old saurian empire
20100619 21:39:02< PeterPorty> no, killing evil is good
20100619 21:39:14< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, and thanks god they did
20100619 21:39:25< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: no, that was bad
20100619 21:39:31< PeterPorty> :(
20100619 21:39:39< shadowmaster> you don't kill all dogs only because one of them bit you when you were 3 years old
20100619 21:39:43< Hulavuta> They were defenseless, and they already surrendered
20100619 21:39:53< PeterPorty> well, but they were evil
20100619 21:39:57< Hulavuta> And the humans made a treaty with them. They were allies, it was a betrayal
20100619 21:40:01< PeterPorty> and... I dislike dogs....
20100619 21:40:04< Hulavuta> You're retarded...
20100619 21:40:09< PeterPorty> haha
20100619 21:40:13< shadowmaster> I  *HATE* dogs
20100619 21:40:16< shadowmaster> but I don't kill dogs
20100619 21:40:20< PeterPorty> 1 good argument and you decide to insult people....
20100619 21:40:27< PeterPorty> well....
20100619 21:40:39< Hulavuta> No, you're stupid because you're wrong and your evidence is totally off and you won't admit it
20100619 21:40:41< PeterPorty> I'd rather not say anythig about it shadowmaster...
20100619 21:40:47< shadowmaster> accept it, there's no absolute Good in Wesnoth.
20100619 21:40:51< PeterPorty> I know
20100619 21:40:57< shadowmaster> well, Irdya. Wesnoth's universe, whatever.
20100619 21:40:59< PeterPorty> I never said there was
20100619 21:41:15< Hulavuta> shadowmaster's question is still a good one. If a dog bit you when you were 3, is it not bad to kill every dog on earth?
20100619 21:41:15< PeterPorty> just.... generalization
20100619 21:41:18< shadowmaster> and IMHO there's no such a thing like evil and good factions.
20100619 21:41:26< Hulavuta> Except Undead
20100619 21:41:28< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: a dog effectively bit me when I was 3
20100619 21:41:50< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, Nick Vujicic is coming to Chile!
20100619 21:41:52< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: Let me ask you a question
20100619 21:41:53< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: er,. You haven't played any of my campaigns, have you?
20100619 21:41:59< Hulavuta> I have
20100619 21:42:06< Hulavuta> What made the Orcs and stuff evil?
20100619 21:42:23< shadowmaster> then you probably know already that I don't believe in Undead/Dark == Evil
20100619 21:42:24< PeterPorty> their greed for power and money
20100619 21:42:34< shadowmaster> nor Orcs == Evil
20100619 21:43:09< PeterPorty> undead might do, since they used to be humans...
20100619 21:43:14< PeterPorty> but orcs are evil.
20100619 21:43:24< PeterPorty> not Gobos,of course
20100619 21:43:26< shadowmaster> what the hell are you sayung?
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20100619 21:43:31< PeterPorty> Gobos are aliens
20100619 21:43:41< PeterPorty> they came to wesnoth on a spaceship
20100619 21:44:00< PeterPorty> I ain't sayung anything! I swear!
20100619 21:44:06< shadowmaster> I suppose you didn't want an actual serious discussion about this and you've just been trolling Hulavuta all this time.
20100619 21:44:10< Hulavuta> Yes
20100619 21:44:27< PeterPorty> no, at first that was my real opinion
20100619 21:44:41< PeterPorty> but I got kinda tired, so I said that about Gobos...
20100619 21:44:48< PeterPorty> untill then, I was serious
20100619 21:45:00< shadowmaster> well, your opinion is based on invalid points :P
20100619 21:45:00< Hulavuta> Okay, so I read a part of Rise of Wesnoth, and...
20100619 21:45:07< shadowmaster> so I suggest you reevaluate your opinion.
20100619 21:45:12< Hulavuta> And I quote:
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20100619 21:45:36< Hulavuta>             message= _ "We are the people of the forest, you know that all words spoken to these un-people are of secondary importance to our own needs. As Lord Aryad said, 'If more trouble follows them here we should let them fight it out, then we should 'deal' with the survivors, and make a compromise with the Dwarves.'"
20100619 21:45:57< PeterPorty> nah, I don't change my opinions.... I might 'edit' them, but they don't rchange from one second to the other
20100619 21:46:01< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: I love that line.
20100619 21:46:04< Hulavuta>             message= _ "We may have decided wrongly. If the humans drive the orcs off we should honor our pledge. If more trouble follows them here we should let them fight it out, then we should 'deal' with the survivors, and make a compromise with the Dwarves."
20100619 21:46:46< Hulavuta> So basically they are saying that they are superior to the humans and that they shouldn't honor the treaty and just let the Orcs murder the humans.
20100619 21:46:49< PeterPorty> so? what's your point?
20100619 21:46:55< Hulavuta> So, the Elves are evil.
20100619 21:47:00< PeterPorty> I agree with them
20100619 21:47:07< PeterPorty> no, they just feel superior
20100619 21:47:27< Hulavuta> Read the second line.
20100619 21:47:38< Hulavuta> They are just going to let the humans fight the Orcs, and not help, 
20100619 21:47:51< PeterPorty> yeah, war tactics
20100619 21:47:55< Hulavuta> And then they said "if they win, then we should honor the pledge." that's taking advantage of them.
20100619 21:47:59< PeterPorty> as I said, kinda gay, but smart
20100619 21:48:01< Hulavuta> Yeah, war tactics, but they're evil.
20100619 21:48:07< Hulavuta> smart but evil
20100619 21:48:13< PeterPorty> no, smart but gay
20100619 21:48:33< PeterPorty> coward, maybe, but not evil
20100619 21:48:47< Hulavuta> ....You act like a 5 year old that just listened to a conversation by high school dropouts
20100619 21:49:08< Hulavuta> Okay, so how do you justify commiting genocide on an entire race
20100619 21:49:11< PeterPorty> well... you ARE a 5 year old... so yeah
20100619 21:49:16< shadowmaster> you may want to stop the homophobic comments, btw
20100619 21:49:20< PeterPorty> no wait... you were 8...
20100619 21:49:24< PeterPorty> ok
20100619 21:49:27< Hulavuta> Even though they already surrendered?
20100619 21:49:34< PeterPorty> they were evil
20100619 21:49:39< Hulavuta> They surrendered...
20100619 21:49:43< PeterPorty> so?
20100619 21:49:45< Hulavuta> They lost the war
20100619 21:50:03< Hulavuta> That's like saying that after the Americans beat Britain, they should go to Britain and destroy it
20100619 21:50:07< PeterPorty> a guy kills all your familly, you point a gun at his head and he says ' let me go, I'm sorry for that'
20100619 21:50:12< PeterPorty> you let him go?
20100619 21:50:27< PeterPorty> you think britain is evil?
20100619 21:50:35< Hulavuta> You're missing the point
20100619 21:50:36< Hulavuta> 1.
20100619 21:50:47< Hulavuta> I meant that Britain surrendered to America
20100619 21:50:55< Hulavuta> 2. This is a matter of war
20100619 21:51:07< Hulavuta> In World War 2, America was at war with Japan.
20100619 21:51:08< PeterPorty> yeah, I know the surrender part, but they were evil.
20100619 21:51:10< Hulavuta> Now we're allies
20100619 21:51:30< Hulavuta> Surrendering is different than your example
20100619 21:51:43< Hulavuta> A guy surrendering after killing your family would go to prison, not be freed
20100619 21:51:50< Hulavuta> Plus war is different
20100619 21:51:56< PeterPorty> look, you may have an enemy, but not necesarly any of you are evil, on the other hand, one might, and if that one was killed, the world would be a better place
20100619 21:52:26< Hulavuta> You know surrendering usually has a treaty...
20100619 21:52:38< Hulavuta> Surrendering means they stop
20100619 21:52:51< Hulavuta> And let me ask you another question
20100619 21:52:52< PeterPorty> well, if that guy was in front of me, I wouldn't let him go to jail, I'd shoot him on foth knees and make him suffer, then shoot him on the head
20100619 21:53:09< Hulavuta> Let me ask you another question
20100619 21:53:26< PeterPorty> go for it
20100619 21:53:28< PeterPorty> shoot
20100619 21:53:43< Hulavuta> Let's say that the leader of a country thinks Australia is creating a bunch of WMDs
20100619 21:53:51< Hulavuta> Speculation, not real evidence
20100619 21:53:57< PeterPorty> what is wmd?
20100619 21:54:02< PeterPorty> oh
20100619 21:54:04-!- mode/#wesnoth [+o shadowmaster] by ChanServ
20100619 21:54:04<@shadowmaster> weapon of mass destruction
20100619 21:54:05< PeterPorty> nevermind
20100619 21:54:10< PeterPorty> yeah, I got it
20100619 21:54:22< PeterPorty> thx
20100619 21:54:35< Hulavuta> So is it "good" to invade Australia and wage war just because they "might" have WMD's?
20100619 21:54:49< Hulavuta> Another way, do you agree with the War in the Middle East?
20100619 21:55:05< PeterPorty> no, on the other hand, if you *know* they have them, and they've used them...
20100619 21:55:21< PeterPorty> they should do something to stop them
20100619 21:55:32< zookeeper> so the rest of the world should invade the USA?
20100619 21:55:41< PeterPorty> yes
20100619 21:55:42< PeterPorty> :)
20100619 21:55:46< zookeeper> got it
20100619 21:55:49< PeterPorty> nah, jk
20100619 21:56:06< Hulavuta> So, the Saurians surrendered. That means they won't fight anymore. So was it right for the Elves to invade and kill all of the saurians just because they "might" kill people again?
20100619 21:56:31< Hulavuta> Should America have destroyed Germany because there "might" be another hitler?
20100619 21:56:33< PeterPorty> well, they said they wouldn't kill anymore people
20100619 21:57:09< Hulavuta> If they started attacking again, then the genocide "might" have been reasonable, but they didn't.
20100619 21:57:15< PeterPorty> well, if Germany would have been destroyed during the firs world war, second world war wouldn't have happened
20100619 21:57:57< PeterPorty> well, after they did kill them, saurians did kill people, I'm even tired of having to kill punny saurians in campaigns who want to loot my gold.
20100619 21:58:12< Hulavuta> lol
20100619 21:58:20< PeterPorty> =D
20100619 21:58:31<@shadowmaster> quit the politcs discussion now or prepare to be destroyed
20100619 21:58:35<@shadowmaster> I am applying your logic here.
20100619 21:58:40< Aethaeryn> :o
20100619 21:58:47< Aethaeryn> There's an @ here... :o
20100619 21:58:50 * PeterPorty shuts up
20100619 21:59:17< Hulavuta> But that wasn't the entire Saurian race as a whole. The few that did fight later deserved to be killed, but during the genocide, they killed children and destoyed eggs and stuff. They never did anything. 
20100619 21:59:19< Hulavuta> Okay I'm done
20100619 21:59:20< PeterPorty> no more politics discussion for me
20100619 21:59:55< PeterPorty> I could answer, but I won't, as shadowmaster scares me out
20100619 21:59:58< noy_> PeterPorty: Read about the Morgenthau plan
20100619 22:00:10< PeterPorty> ok, brb
20100619 22:00:10< Hulavuta> Besides, good and evil is an opinion, so if PeterPorty's view of Evil is different than mine, it's going to be impossible to convince him that something is evil.
20100619 22:00:19< Hulavuta> Let's talk about Sharks
20100619 22:01:02< PeterPorty> those EVIL gigantic fish...
20100619 22:01:06< PeterPorty> I hate them
20100619 22:01:10< PeterPorty> :)
20100619 22:01:24< Hulavuta> shadowmaster: This guy wants to ask you something: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=436398#p436398
20100619 22:02:06<@shadowmaster> I know, he PM'd me
20100619 22:02:22<@shadowmaster> I am currently wondering
20100619 22:02:26< Hulavuta> ok
20100619 22:02:31<@shadowmaster> how the fuck can I convince people to stop trying to make sequels without my involvement
20100619 22:03:21<@shadowmaster> if there's a non-creative reason for hating IftU it is that it attracts random morons to try to make crappy sequels out of it
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20100619 22:04:02< PeterPorty> :( I wanna ply IftU
20100619 22:04:15< Hulavuta> Wait, so you hate that people make sequels or do you hate that people make sequels and want you to help?
20100619 22:04:22< PeterPorty> brb, toilet part time
20100619 22:04:41< PeterPorty> party*
20100619 22:04:43<@shadowmaster> that people make sequels without my creative involvement
20100619 22:05:32< Hulavuta> So you want people to come to you and ask permission for certain things?
20100619 22:05:54<@shadowmaster> yes
20100619 22:05:56< PeterPorty> I wanna make a funny campaign....
20100619 22:06:02< PeterPorty> I need to learn wml
20100619 22:06:05< Espreon> No, make a furry campaign.
20100619 22:06:07< Hulavuta> It's easy
20100619 22:06:23<@shadowmaster> I know, the GNU GPL and all, but it's really annoying
20100619 22:06:23< PeterPorty> I heard DW is commented?
20100619 22:06:30< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: Lemme guess, the jokes are going to be about retards and homosexuals?
20100619 22:06:39< PeterPorty> no
20100619 22:06:42< Hulavuta> Okay good
20100619 22:06:46< PeterPorty> you don't joke about that kinda stuff
20100619 22:06:53< Hulavuta> But you do...
20100619 22:06:54< PeterPorty> whats your problem?
20100619 22:07:00< PeterPorty> no I don't
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20100619 22:07:09< PeterPorty> YOU are the one calling people retars
20100619 22:07:14< PeterPorty> hi Unnheulu 
20100619 22:07:19< Unnheulu> Hi
20100619 22:07:26< PeterPorty> how you doin?
20100619 22:07:32< Unnheulu> Kay
20100619 22:07:37< PeterPorty> cool
20100619 22:07:50< Hulavuta> I'm not even going to start. You know it, so I'm not going to even try since you're probably going to deny it.
20100619 22:07:58<@shadowmaster> PeterPorty: you are the one who's spent their entire forum life inserting stealth homophobic comments.
20100619 22:08:01< PeterPorty> well done
20100619 22:08:02< Espreon> Hello Unnheulu.
20100619 22:08:09< Unnheulu> Hullo Espreon
20100619 22:08:12<@shadowmaster> so shut up Hulavuta, I am the one moderating here
20100619 22:08:19 * Espreon chuckles
20100619 22:08:20< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, how?
20100619 22:08:33< PeterPorty> I'm not homophobic
20100619 22:08:40< PeterPorty> well... maybe a little
20100619 22:08:48< PeterPorty> but I have a gay friend
20100619 22:08:48<@shadowmaster> your strange fixation with the word "gay" indicates otherwise.
20100619 22:08:50<@shadowmaster> so please, quit it
20100619 22:08:51< Hulavuta> You kept saying that Elves were gay XD
20100619 22:09:09< PeterPorty> and I was protecting them, you said they were evil
20100619 22:09:13< PeterPorty> I said they were not
20100619 22:09:25< PeterPorty> so... how does that make me homophobic?
20100619 22:09:30< knotwork> maybe he was complimenting them. :)
20100619 22:09:32<@shadowmaster> 16:08:12 <@shadowmaster> so shut up Hulavuta, I am the one moderating here
20100619 22:09:41< Hulavuta> wut
20100619 22:09:53< PeterPorty> if you said theye were evil because they were gay, that would be homophobic
20100619 22:09:54< Espreon> Hulavuta: shadowmaster beeþ moderating, so, shut up.
20100619 22:09:59< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, is it required that stuff on the server use GPL?
20100619 22:10:01< PeterPorty> but I was protecting them.
20100619 22:10:10< Unnheulu> Can't you relax that to allow other gpl compatible licenses?
20100619 22:10:19< Unnheulu> Or even allow non-gpl stuff?
20100619 22:10:21< Hulavuta> Server as in add-ons or Multiplayer?
20100619 22:10:21<@shadowmaster> Unnheulu: stop asking me that kind of questions.
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20100619 22:10:30< Hulavuta> 10$ on "Yes"
20100619 22:10:32 * shadowmaster redirects Unnheulu to Ivanovic
20100619 22:10:38< Unnheulu> I was reading the logs to see what the argument was about
20100619 22:10:46 * Unnheulu pokes Ivanovic
20100619 22:10:55<@shadowmaster> Unnheulu: take it to PM
20100619 22:10:59< Unnheulu> Ahm, I thought you helped moderate the add-ons list, no worries I'll ask him :)
20100619 22:11:02<@shadowmaster> it's already too noisy here
20100619 22:11:04< PeterPorty> Ivanovic, you beat Germany! great goal!
20100619 22:11:19< Unnheulu> PeterPorty, Ivanovic is German?
20100619 22:11:27< PeterPorty> is he?
20100619 22:11:27<@shadowmaster> yes, he is German.
20100619 22:11:33< Aethaeryn> I actually wouldn't mind dual-licensing art/music CC 3.0 attribution share-alike... a compatible license with GPL I think.
20100619 22:11:36< PeterPorty> moan...
20100619 22:11:46< Aethaeryn> If it's also GPL, it's still acceptable right?
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20100619 22:11:56< Hulavuta> Ivonavic always reminds me of the tennis player
20100619 22:12:04< PeterPorty> Hula, would you stop pming me about that?
20100619 22:12:05<@shadowmaster> you know, I could just set cmode +m and go to play a game.
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20100619 22:12:16< Hulavuta> Fine
20100619 22:12:19<@shadowmaster> easier than quieting or banning you both.
20100619 22:12:20< PeterPorty> thanks
20100619 22:12:20< Unnheulu> So only voiced people could talk?
20100619 22:12:28< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Dual-licensed stuff is fine, as long as the GPL is one of the licenses; of course, you need to accept the GPL.
20100619 22:12:39< Hulavuta> You're welcome. lol
20100619 22:12:46< PeterPorty> no need to ban me, I'll go read wml
20100619 22:12:51< PeterPorty> bye guys
20100619 22:12:58< PeterPorty> I'll come if I have any question
20100619 22:12:59< PeterPorty> c ya
20100619 22:13:04< Unnheulu> Erm
20100619 22:13:04< Espreon> Aethaeryn: ... and not the other license. So, only carry on the GPL.
20100619 22:13:07< Hulavuta> Wait licenses affect the copyright-ness right?
20100619 22:13:15 * Espreon shrugs
20100619 22:13:20< Unnheulu> Hulavuta, Nope
20100619 22:13:24< Hulavuta> OK
20100619 22:13:29< Espreon> I'm not a lia... err... lawyer.
20100619 22:13:35< Unnheulu> Unless its public domain iirc
20100619 22:13:40< Unnheulu> I'm not the best to ask though :)
20100619 22:13:49< Hulavuta> Okay, cuz I was just wondering
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20100619 22:14:00< Ivanovic> Unnheulu: regarding your question about "non gpl stuff": NO!
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20100619 22:14:12< Unnheulu> Ivanovic, how comes?
20100619 22:14:14< Ivanovic> Unnheulu: reason: otherwise it sucks, hard for us to enforce things and the likes
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20100619 22:14:17< Hulavuta> If a different license allowed something that was not in the GPL and was like the opposite of GPL
20100619 22:14:31< Ivanovic> and, if there is something usable for us in mainline it has to be gpl v2+ anyway
20100619 22:14:53< Ivanovic> beside this: it is our server, we are allowed to do with it basically as we please
20100619 22:14:56<@shadowmaster> but mainline sucks ;)
20100619 22:14:58< Aethaeryn> Espreon: wait, are you saying that if it's on the server it's only GPL even if it was originally dual licensed?
20100619 22:15:03< Ivanovic> if you don't agree with the terms of use: start your own server
20100619 22:15:15< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Yeah, you choose which terms to follow.
20100619 22:15:23< Espreon> That's what Ivanovic told me.
20100619 22:15:28 * Unnheulu didn't go out to start a flame war :/
20100619 22:15:51< Aethaeryn> oh, I was just wondering if I could dual licenses art/music with a compatable CC (based on FSF definitions of compatable) so people can steal it for non-Wesnoth works too, that's all
20100619 22:16:01< Hulavuta> http://mobocracy.net/media/Yoda-Flame-war-begun.jpg
20100619 22:16:03<@shadowmaster> Unnheulu: that's why I said to take it to PM, you idiot
20100619 22:16:03< Aethaeryn> not sprites, though... those are basically just usable for game stuff
20100619 22:16:11< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, tried doing, twice
20100619 22:16:18< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: ask the authors
20100619 22:16:30< Aethaeryn> oh, I only mean stuff I author.
20100619 22:16:30< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: the ones creating the artwork are free to license it as they like
20100619 22:16:55< Aethaeryn> If I made music for Thunderstone (which I'd do if I finished everything else, so probably two summers from now?) I'd want it under a CC as well as GPL
20100619 22:16:56<@shadowmaster> also, thanks for ruining my little bit of inspiration for pixel art
20100619 22:17:09< Aethaeryn> Since GPL is only really applicable for when it's part of a larger software pacakge, or at least seems that way.
20100619 22:17:15< Ivanovic> Aethaeryn: perfectly possible and fine
20100619 22:17:23< Aethaeryn> Okay, good. :-)
20100619 22:17:56< Blarumyrran> Or you can be a Good Person and put it under CC0/PD
20100619 22:17:59< Hulavuta> I have to go now
20100619 22:18:00< Hulavuta> To the store
20100619 22:18:09< Hulavuta> To buy my Dad a "man-bracelet"
20100619 22:18:14< Hulavuta> Bye
20100619 22:18:16< PeterPorty> bye Hulavuta 
20100619 22:18:17< PeterPorty> c ya
20100619 22:18:18< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: but then the GPL license would override it, right?
20100619 22:18:20< Aethaeryn> Since it's stricter?
20100619 22:18:25< Hulavuta> And I know when I leave everyone's going to say I'm retarded or somethng lol
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20100619 22:18:32< Blarumyrran> override it in what sense_
20100619 22:18:40< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Again, if it is dual-licensed, you choose which terms to follow.
20100619 22:18:43< Aethaeryn> oh
20100619 22:18:48< Blarumyrran> ... I can't find the question mark on this stupid keyboard
20100619 22:18:53<@shadowmaster> Hulavuta is awesome.
20100619 22:18:55<@shadowmaster> period.
20100619 22:19:11< Aethaeryn> I still think Hulavuta is a font.
20100619 22:19:19<@shadowmaster> you are mistaking him for Helvetica
20100619 22:19:19< PeterPorty> ummm...
20100619 22:19:30<@shadowmaster> completely different prounciation
20100619 22:19:37< PeterPorty>  # wmllint: recognize Kai Krellis
20100619 22:19:42< PeterPorty> what does that do?
20100619 22:19:53< PeterPorty> like... add a non mainline unit?
20100619 22:19:59< Unnheulu> PeterPorty, that's called...a comment
20100619 22:20:05< PeterPorty> oh
20100619 22:20:05<@shadowmaster> that makes "Kai" and "Krellis" valid words for wmllint's spellchecker
20100619 22:20:06< PeterPorty> right
20100619 22:20:14< PeterPorty> ah...
20100619 22:20:19< PeterPorty> ok, thanks
20100619 22:20:26<@shadowmaster> it can be called "metadirective" since it's not something that Wesnoth cares about
20100619 22:20:32< Unnheulu> And it appears that wmllint reads comments
20100619 22:20:55< Espreon> shadowmaster: I thought that just forces wmllint to acknowledge that "Kai Krellis" exists.
20100619 22:21:04< Espreon> The spellcheck comments are different.
20100619 22:21:08<@shadowmaster> Espreon: oh, wait, indeed
20100619 22:21:28<@shadowmaster> Espreon: and you are also right.
20100619 22:21:51<@shadowmaster> that's usually used when [recall] is wrapped around in a macro or stuff since wmllint can't expand macros
20100619 22:21:56< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, can there be slightly over the top sexuall jokes in my campaign?
20100619 22:22:10<@shadowmaster> you aren't being serious.
20100619 22:22:10< Aethaeryn> XD
20100619 22:22:31< PeterPorty> :( ok...I'll take that as a 'No.'
20100619 22:22:51< Aethaeryn> It would make the campaign ridiculous and/or awkward to play.
20100619 22:23:21< PeterPorty> it's supposed to be funny
20100619 22:23:30< PeterPorty> funny/awkward
20100619 22:25:28< Aethaeryn> PeterPorty: how old are you?
20100619 22:25:40< Unnheulu> 15
20100619 22:25:43< PeterPorty> umm.... twenty.... four?
20100619 22:25:45< PeterPorty> dude!
20100619 22:25:53< Unnheulu> PeterPorty, don't lie
20100619 22:25:54< PeterPorty> no, I'm 16
20100619 22:25:54< Aethaeryn> I wouldn't believe an answer older than me anyway
20100619 22:26:05< PeterPorty> how old are you?
20100619 22:26:08< Aethaeryn> I can tell you right now that a lot of the teenage humor gets *really* unfunny for everyone not a teenager.
20100619 22:26:11<@shadowmaster> This should be my new avatar: http://shadowm.rewound.net/facepalm.jpg
20100619 22:26:18< Aethaeryn> That's why movies like Epic Movie get critically panned.
20100619 22:26:21< Aethaeryn> And yet make money.
20100619 22:26:22<@shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: AGREED.
20100619 22:26:28<@shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: 1000 TIMES AGREED! I LOVE YOU <3
20100619 22:26:30< Unnheulu> Aethaeryn, not all teenagers find that stuff funny
20100619 22:26:49< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: I know, it's more of a matter of maturity. There are probably 23-year-old fratboys who still find it funny.
20100619 22:26:54< PeterPorty> well... a lot of wesnoth users are teenagers
20100619 22:26:55<@shadowmaster> Unnheulu: ZOMG ALSO AGREED!
20100619 22:27:08<@shadowmaster> I LOVE YOU UNNHEUL- wait what?!
20100619 22:27:18<@shadowmaster> PeterPorty: link or it didn't happen
20100619 22:27:21< PeterPorty> and I will have a lot of 'kinds' of humor in it
20100619 22:27:31<@shadowmaster> when did some idiot actually conduct a formal survey on wesnothians' demographics?
20100619 22:27:44< PeterPorty> last year, december
20100619 22:27:52<@shadowmaster> link or it didn't happen, idiot
20100619 22:28:04< PeterPorty> Sirp... not sure if I would call him an idiot though
20100619 22:28:21<@shadowmaster> LINK OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, IDIOT
20100619 22:28:30< PeterPorty> who are you talking to?
20100619 22:28:31< Aethaeryn> Unfortunately, I wouldn't call a web forum poll a formal survey, especially since it started so long ago that many of the teens are now twenty-somethings
20100619 22:28:35<@shadowmaster> PeterPorty: you.
20100619 22:28:40<@shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: exactly
20100619 22:28:45< Aethaeryn> Also, I would categorize a lot of the teens in a strategy turn-based game to be like Unnheulu...
20100619 22:28:50< Aethaeryn> People who already grew out of teenage humor.
20100619 22:28:54< PeterPorty> oh... then take away the ', idiot' part
20100619 22:28:57<@shadowmaster> that's why I said formal survey, because the forum poll is obviously not formal, nor a survey
20100619 22:29:03<@shadowmaster> PeterPorty: I refuse to.
20100619 22:29:17< PeterPorty> then I refuse to link you...
20100619 22:29:22< Aethaeryn> I joined Wesnoth in fall of 2007
20100619 22:29:22< PeterPorty> problem solved
20100619 22:29:28< Aethaeryn> I was 17 then and would've classified as a teen
20100619 22:29:33<@shadowmaster> then consider yourself banned from talking about wesnothian demographics here, PeterPorty 
20100619 22:29:34< Aethaeryn> I'm now turning 20 in August.
20100619 22:30:01< PeterPorty> shouldn't you be taking away the op status, shadowmaster?
20100619 22:30:05< PeterPorty> it scares me
20100619 22:30:10<@shadowmaster> you aren't going to convince anyone with statistics, especially if you make them up in the spot
20100619 22:30:30<@shadowmaster> you really think I am scary? http://shadowm.rewound.net/facepalm.jpg
20100619 22:30:31< PeterPorty> I didn't make anything, I only said that a lot of them are
20100619 22:30:44< PeterPorty> not mayority, not 20%, just 'a lot'
20100619 22:31:01< PeterPorty> dude, you are the shadow master
20100619 22:31:07< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: your hair looks a lot like my roommate freshman year who was from El Salvador... Hispanic long hair officially looks awesome.
20100619 22:31:09< PeterPorty> of course you are scary
20100619 22:31:25<@shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: er, there's a very good reason for it looking so messy right now
20100619 22:31:46< Aethaeryn> eh, nothing wrong with messy hair.
20100619 22:31:48< PeterPorty> did you take that pic reading through my comments?
20100619 22:31:48 * Aethaeryn looks in mirror
20100619 22:31:56<@shadowmaster> yes
20100619 22:32:00< PeterPorty> cool
20100619 22:32:03< PeterPorty> :D
20100619 22:32:11< Aethaeryn> Personally, once my hair gets past a too-short-to-keep-it-at length it's impossible to maintain.
20100619 22:32:13<@shadowmaster> no, it isn't
20100619 22:32:18<@shadowmaster> it isn't cool, I mean
20100619 22:32:28< PeterPorty> well.... that might be for you....
20100619 22:32:59<@shadowmaster> if you are telling me that you are here only to get cheap entertainment from me, then GTFO before I ban you from the forums and these channels
20100619 22:33:05< PeterPorty> ok, let me concentrate on my campaign...
20100619 22:33:15< PeterPorty> the forums? :'(
20100619 22:33:19< PeterPorty> No...
20100619 22:33:22< Aethaeryn> PeterPorty: what is your campaign about?
20100619 22:33:27 * PeterPorty Goes to fuck off
20100619 22:33:29< Aethaeryn> And can you use the name "Epic Campaign"
20100619 22:33:34< Aethaeryn> "Scary Campaign" or "Date Campaign"?
20100619 22:33:53< PeterPorty> It's called 'Dark Flames'
20100619 22:34:22< PeterPorty> first scenario is 'The Fall of the Glorious Empire'
20100619 22:34:27< Aethaeryn> NO!
20100619 22:34:32< Aethaeryn> Not the Glorious Empire!
20100619 22:34:37< PeterPorty> the seccond one is 'The Summer of the Glorious Empire'
20100619 22:34:44< Aethaeryn> oh, I get the pun
20100619 22:34:52< PeterPorty> and... well, the next 2 are predictable...
20100619 22:35:00<@shadowmaster> this may provide some fun reading for you statistics-worshipping dummies, btw http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LiesDamnedLiesAndStatistics
20100619 22:35:10< Aethaeryn> PeterPorty: You should do it in this order...
20100619 22:35:16< Aethaeryn> Winter -> Spring -> Summer -> Fall -> Call
20100619 22:35:25< PeterPorty> call?
20100619 22:35:30< Aethaeryn> </song reference>
20100619 22:35:38< Aethaeryn> See how humor is relative and subjective?
20100619 22:36:14< knotwork> hmm, what acronym-genius came up with "SFA is not an empty motto" ? ;)
20100619 22:36:26< PeterPorty> well.... the protagonist of my campaign is gonna be a sexy teenager...
20100619 22:36:54< PeterPorty> gotta love it
20100619 22:37:07< Aethaeryn> PeterPorty: So, all women in fantasy are hawt now?
20100619 22:37:14< PeterPorty> yes
20100619 22:37:16< Aethaeryn> k
20100619 22:37:21< Aethaeryn> Of course, it's a law
20100619 22:37:24< PeterPorty> it's MY imagination creating the campaign
20100619 22:37:33< Aethaeryn> There's only about 10 women for every 10,000 men, so they better be attractive
20100619 22:37:35< PeterPorty> and some tv/intenet indiced crap
20100619 22:37:58< PeterPorty> there's gonna be a lot of chick in my campaign... I can asure you.
20100619 22:38:15< Aethaeryn> Any above the age of 18?
20100619 22:38:23< PeterPorty> ummm...
20100619 22:38:24< PeterPorty> yes
20100619 22:38:31< PeterPorty> I like old women
20100619 22:38:36< Aethaeryn> Oh
20100619 22:38:37< PeterPorty> I have strange taste
20100619 22:38:38< Aethaeryn> In that case
20100619 22:38:42< Aethaeryn> Anyone under the age of 65?
20100619 22:38:45< PeterPorty> yes
20100619 22:38:47< PeterPorty> most
20100619 22:39:08< PeterPorty> form age 16 to 28 will be most of them
20100619 22:39:08<@shadowmaster> quit it kid, you are creeping me out.
20100619 22:39:16< PeterPorty> lol
20100619 22:39:34< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Uh, who watches things such as "Epic Movie" anyway?
20100619 22:39:37< PeterPorty> and an 85 year old and a 4088 year old
20100619 22:39:41< Blarumyrran> epic people
20100619 22:39:47< PeterPorty> Espreon, exactly
20100619 22:39:53< Blarumyrran> you wouldn
20100619 22:39:58< Blarumyrran> 't understand.
20100619 22:40:04< PeterPorty> lol
20100619 22:40:06< Aethaeryn> PeterPorty: well, does the 4088 year old look like 4088 or 48?
20100619 22:40:17< PeterPorty> 22
20100619 22:40:22< PeterPorty> :)
20100619 22:40:25< Aethaeryn> Because everyone knows immortals are only hot if they stop aging in their twenties and thirties, yes.
20100619 22:40:33< Aethaeryn> PeterPorty: no lich ladies?
20100619 22:40:36< Aethaeryn> Gotta represent.
20100619 22:40:51< PeterPorty> ummm... no, no undeads on my campaign
20100619 22:40:57< Aethaeryn> :-(
20100619 22:41:09< Aethaeryn> Isn't lich the only canonical imortality in Wesnoth?
20100619 22:41:14< Aethaeryn> Besides the one vampire lady in TRoW
20100619 22:41:50< PeterPorty> only humans, trolls, elves, mermen, naga, dwarves and saurians
20100619 22:42:00< Aethaeryn> Any troll ladies?
20100619 22:42:09< Aethaeryn> Or are they all human?
20100619 22:42:10< PeterPorty> some saurian hottie over here, some troll sexies over there and voila
20100619 22:42:18< Aethaeryn> Ah, cool.
20100619 22:42:22< PeterPorty> mostly elves and human...
20100619 22:42:27< PeterPorty> but there will be others
20100619 22:42:28<@shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: Kalenz and Elynia
20100619 22:42:28< Aethaeryn> Who is the 4088 y/o?
20100619 22:42:36< PeterPorty> Elf
20100619 22:42:40<@shadowmaster> they are also immortal (although they can be killed)
20100619 22:42:55<@shadowmaster> oh, and my character
20100619 22:42:56< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Kalenz I thought wasn't really immortal, might have been retconned around 1.6?
20100619 22:43:01<@shadowmaster> who has totally no relation to me other than the name
20100619 22:43:05< Aethaeryn> And Elynia and shadowmaster are only semi-canon
20100619 22:43:10< Aethaeryn> until IftU is mainline
20100619 22:43:25<@shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: yes, around 1.6
20100619 22:43:27<@shadowmaster> Bae	also, screw mailine
20100619 22:43:37<@shadowmaster> I make the canon now.
20100619 22:43:41< Aethaeryn> Yes, I'm personally adding vampires in Thunderstone Part III
20100619 22:43:43< Espreon> PeterPorty: I want Asian lich lady now!
20100619 22:43:48< Aethaeryn> Liches need immortal rivals on the Old Continent.
20100619 22:43:52< PeterPorty> 'Of Mice and Chicks'
20100619 22:43:57< PeterPorty> will be the new title
20100619 22:44:03<@shadowmaster> and I, Espreon and esr already decided to go with making IftU-AtS-TSL's timeline canon
20100619 22:44:04< Aethaeryn> PeterPorty: Any female mice?
20100619 22:44:12< Aethaeryn> You really have to represent.
20100619 22:44:13<@shadowmaster> regardless of mainlineness
20100619 22:44:22< PeterPorty> Espreon, will be there
20100619 22:44:27< PeterPorty> guess that counts
20100619 22:44:45< PeterPorty> as a female mouse
20100619 22:44:47< PeterPorty> :)
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20100619 22:45:17< Espreon> ...
20100619 22:45:23< Aethaeryn> Hmm...
20100619 22:45:27< PeterPorty> ok, I'll go write the campaign
20100619 22:45:38< PeterPorty> lemme go, I know you love me, but I have stuff to do.
20100619 22:45:46< Espreon> PeterPorty: Asian lich lady as protagonist, nao!
20100619 22:45:48< PeterPorty> O.o I need to work first
20100619 22:46:05< PeterPorty> bye, I guess the campaign will have to wait
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20100619 22:46:14< Aethaeryn> Not sure you can fantasize about a 4088 y/o elf, since based on kitty's portraits, elves who are very faerie actually look younger... so she'd look about 12... So it's wrong in two aspects, being thousands older and looking way younger.
20100619 22:46:18< Aethaeryn> damn it
20100619 22:46:19< Aethaeryn> DAMN IT.
20100619 22:46:24< pyshee> i heard kitty.
20100619 22:46:35< Aethaeryn> sorry, I was trolling PeterPorty
20100619 22:46:41< pyshee> i see.
20100619 22:46:56< Aethaeryn> Since he just wants to throw a campaign together with a bunch of "hot chicks"
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20100619 22:47:04< pyshee> lawl
20100619 22:47:16< shadowmaster> * http://shadowm.rewound.net/facepalm.jpg *
20100619 22:47:16< Blarumyrran> That's a fairly solid idea
20100619 22:47:30< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: But he didn't have any tumonker chicks.
20100619 22:47:32< Aethaeryn> That is a sin.
20100619 22:47:59< Aethaeryn> anyway, my best line is through just after he leaves :(
20100619 22:48:00< Blarumyrran> Does he have Tentacles of the Deep_
20100619 22:48:10< Aethaeryn> He must. He has an Asian chick?
20100619 22:48:21< Blarumyrran> That's what I was thinkin'
20100619 22:51:00< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Wait, hwæt?
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