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20100620 03:11:26< Gambit> http://www.theonion.com/video/soccer-officially-announces-it-is-gay,17603/
20100620 03:11:33< Gambit> Unnheulu: ^^
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20100620 08:05:52< freezway> omg... i downloaded wesnoth today, BEST STRATEGY GAME EVER!
20100620 08:08:37< ancestral> :-D
20100620 08:08:42< ancestral> Welcome, freezway
20100620 08:08:49< ancestral> Smells are free
20100620 08:08:52< ancestral> Tastes are free
20100620 08:08:57< ancestral> And playing is absolutely free
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20100620 08:11:08< knotwork> "Wesnoth: 'cause strategy should be free!" :)
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20100620 08:21:49< freezway> hey, anyone have rough system reqs?
20100620 08:22:12< freezway> im trying to get my friend to play
20100620 08:22:25< ancestral> Umm
20100620 08:22:41< shadowmaster> unlikely. But I'd say you need at least 256 MB of RAM, and a 800 MHz CPU or better
20100620 08:22:44< ancestral> Windows XP or better, Mac OS X 10.4 or better
20100620 08:22:53< ancestral> or Linux
20100620 08:22:57< shadowmaster> it sshould work on Windows 2000 too
20100620 08:23:06< ancestral> I stand corrected
20100620 08:23:16< shadowmaster> not sure myself :P
20100620 08:23:32< shadowmaster> I'm just assuming it should based on the programming requirements
20100620 08:24:31< shadowmaster> I first played Wesnoth 0.9.6, 1.0.2 and some 1.1.x versions on SUSE Linux 10.0 on an Intel Celeron 1300 MHz with 256 MB of RAM
20100620 08:25:02< Aethaeryn> it has gotten more intense
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20100620 08:25:15< Aethaeryn> so you would have to go in and disable unit standing animations and terrain animations
20100620 08:25:23< Aethaeryn> basically windmills and gryphons/drakes/bats will lag you otherwise
20100620 08:25:35< Aethaeryn> enough fliers can lag *this* computer
20100620 08:25:45< shadowmaster> that can depend on more factors than just the hardware
20100620 08:26:08< ancestral> I first played this game on a DEC back in 1988
20100620 08:26:22< shadowmaster> of course, I haven't mentioned graphics hardware because I'm assuming everyone has at the very least one that can do 800x600 with 32bpp color depth
20100620 08:26:22< ancestral> Heh
20100620 08:26:33< shadowmaster> *32 or 24 bpp
20100620 08:26:34< ancestral> Back in those days Wesnoth was monochrome
20100620 08:26:52< shadowmaster> ancestral: you are kidding me
20100620 08:26:54< ancestral> In fact, it was all text based in a terminal
20100620 08:27:00< ancestral> shadowmaster: Sorry :-P
20100620 08:27:09< shadowmaster> :)
20100620 08:27:24< ancestral> Heh, Play By Teletype Machines
20100620 08:27:45< ancestral> First form of multiplayer
20100620 08:27:53< ancestral> Okay, that makes no sense
20100620 08:28:28< ancestral> Actually there are people who try attempts at "de-makes"
20100620 08:28:53< ancestral> Taking a successful game today and making a version way back in the day as if it had been an original version
20100620 08:29:03< ancestral> Like, Half-Life for DOS or something
20100620 08:29:10< ancestral> (would be one example)
20100620 08:29:25< ancestral> Usually it's nothing more than just fake screenshots
20100620 08:31:31< shadowmaster> I'm way ahead of those people thanks to my research on Wesnoth 0.1
20100620 08:31:57< shadowmaster> (erm, Wesnoth 0.2 coming soon, probably)
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20100620 08:37:15< Ivanovic> moin
20100620 08:37:57< freezway> well, gnight
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20100620 09:07:02< lcfseth> hi
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20100620 09:11:43< Aethaeryn> ancestral: thank you
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20100620 09:11:56< Aethaeryn> I've wasted the last 45 minutes on demakes
20100620 09:12:29< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: if you need help with that, I can recommend you TVTropes articles
20100620 09:12:41< ancestral> Aethaeryn: :-D
20100620 09:12:54< Aethaeryn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99N75s9RJlE&feature=related
20100620 09:13:30< Aethaeryn> I'm not sure if this one is in the game, but i know that "The Way You Make Me Feel" and "Sweet Child of Mine" are in D-Pad Hero.
20100620 09:13:36< Aethaeryn> an NES ROM.
20100620 09:16:21< ancestral> Smooth Criminal; best part is at 2:39
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20100620 09:18:14< Aethaeryn> http://dpadhero.com/Home.html <- apparently it is a real game
20100620 09:18:34< Aethaeryn> And this is why I like Creative Commons
20100620 09:18:40< Aethaeryn> Because stuff like this is technically illegal
20100620 09:21:00< ancestral> Could be considered parody maybe
20100620 09:21:02< ancestral> Maybe
20100620 09:21:04< ancestral> But
20100620 09:21:07< ancestral> He did the right thing
20100620 09:21:11< ancestral> Ask for donations
20100620 09:21:26< ancestral> Instead of daring to charge anything (would be stupid)
20100620 09:21:53< Aethaeryn> this is the kind of thing you do for fun
20100620 09:22:16< Aethaeryn> not for money
20100620 09:22:48< Aethaeryn> in fact, perhaps if Michael Jackson had less money, he'd still be alive. There is such a thing as too much money.
20100620 09:23:18< ancestral> Sure
20100620 09:23:26< ancestral> Not the point I was getting at but okay :)
20100620 09:23:55< Aethaeryn> Eh, still just critiquing your natural reaction of "If I spend time at it, I want to get paid for it."
20100620 09:24:17< Aethaeryn> I spent 2 days building a computer and instead of getting paid for it, *I* paid for the opportunity. :P
20100620 09:24:48< ancestral> Depends
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20100620 09:42:53< ancestral> Aethaeryn: http://www.ganggarrison.com/
20100620 09:48:58< Unnheulu> Hiah ancestral
20100620 09:49:06< ancestral> Hey
20100620 09:49:30< Unnheulu> Able to recommend any decent umc campaigns?
20100620 09:49:39< Aethaeryn> ancestral: saw that one... was in the Wikipedia example
20100620 09:49:53< Unnheulu> Brent seems to be unfinished :(
20100620 09:50:35< ancestral> I'm not a good one to recommend umc campaigns
20100620 09:50:37< ancestral> However
20100620 09:50:41< ancestral> Maybe shadowmaster can
20100620 09:50:48< ancestral> ;-)
20100620 09:50:52< Unnheulu> shadowmaster?
20100620 09:50:58 * Unnheulu didn't know he played umc^^
20100620 09:51:17< Unnheulu> Aethaeryn, you able to recommend any?
20100620 09:51:39< Unnheulu> Oh, shadowmaster is online^^
20100620 09:52:09< shadowmaster> will you stop the bat-smilies?
20100620 09:52:23< shadowmaster> also, no, I can't.
20100620 09:52:30 * Unnheulu didn't realise he used them so much
20100620 09:52:35< Unnheulu> Kay
20100620 09:52:53< ancestral> Really I'm quite removed from the UMC scene
20100620 09:52:54< shadowmaster> can you stop breathing for 5 hours, too? please?
20100620 09:53:32< Unnheulu> An easy way to not have to be online at the same time to be is to not stay awake until 4 in the morning ;)
20100620 09:53:41< shadowmaster> (note that I didn't say "hold your breath")
20100620 09:57:02< Unnheulu> How are the campaigns ordered by default in the add-ons list?
20100620 09:57:08< Unnheulu> Order of upload?
20100620 09:59:06< shadowmaster> uh...not sure
20100620 09:59:21< Unnheulu> Bah
20100620 09:59:24< Unnheulu> This campaign sucks
20100620 09:59:30< Unnheulu> One scenario and then crash
20100620 09:59:33< shadowmaster> if there's no hidden trick behind the GUI1 code, I'd say it is the server's order
20100620 09:59:35< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: I recommend working donw the list...
20100620 09:59:38< Aethaeryn> and stopping at the second
20100620 09:59:44< Aethaeryn> but damn, not a campaign
20100620 09:59:47< Unnheulu> :P
20100620 09:59:59< Unnheulu> Ah 1/4 scenarios made for the campaign
20100620 10:00:01< Aethaeryn> sorry, I've basically only done MP stuff besides Thunderstone, which is so epic in scale it'll probably take 2 summers.
20100620 10:00:06< Unnheulu> And its (another) saurian campaign
20100620 10:00:14< Aethaeryn> I suppose you'll be able to play my MP campaign locally
20100620 10:00:19< Aethaeryn> I do almost all my tests locally
20100620 10:00:26< Aethaeryn> since it can take hundreds of turns.
20100620 10:00:47< Unnheulu> IftU has had more downloads than a program I've uploaded to sourceforge :O
20100620 10:00:50< shadowmaster> it's been so long since the last time I worked with this obnoxious framework that I have no idea how that dialog works at GUI level, sorry
20100620 10:00:52< Unnheulu> Like 6000 more
20100620 10:01:35< Aethaeryn> anyway, I haven't really done MP since 1.4 and a bit of 1.6/1.7
20100620 10:01:39< Aethaeryn> *SP
20100620 10:01:52< Aethaeryn> I've basically done MP and made stuff, whether MP or SP, without really playing anything SP
20100620 10:02:01< Aethaeryn> so no, I wouldn't really know. :-(
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20100620 10:03:52< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: oh wait, Ooze Mini Campaign is on the server.
20100620 10:03:57< Unnheulu> Yeh
20100620 10:04:00< Unnheulu> And Elvish Dynasty
20100620 10:04:02< Aethaeryn> If it's still as cool as it was in 1.3 or 1.4 when I last played it
20100620 10:04:19< Aethaeryn> I don't remember Elvish Dynasty
20100620 10:04:21< Unnheulu> It's still very cool
20100620 10:04:27< Unnheulu> Elvish Dynasty is the sequel
20100620 10:04:33< shadowmaster> indeed it is
20100620 10:04:38< shadowmaster> and I also liked it.
20100620 10:04:39< Aethaeryn> ah
20100620 10:04:46< Aethaeryn> SpenceLack is like the SP Bob the Mighty I suppose
20100620 10:04:55< Aethaeryn> except with a lot less add-ons
20100620 10:05:12< ancestral> *fewer
20100620 10:05:24< Aethaeryn> ancestral: it's 4 am
20100620 10:05:26< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, mainline them then!
20100620 10:05:27< ancestral> Haha
20100620 10:05:31< Aethaeryn> oh wait, sorry *Ancestral
20100620 10:05:35< Aethaeryn> you're a damn proper noun! :P
20100620 10:05:38< Unnheulu> Aethaeryn, your american to?
20100620 10:05:49< ancestral> Ah the quandary
20100620 10:05:52< ancestral> Unnheulu: yes
20100620 10:05:55< Aethaeryn> Unnheulu: I could be in Canada, Cuba, or Brazil.
20100620 10:06:02< Unnheulu> I guess
20100620 10:06:09< Unnheulu> But you know a load about american politics
20100620 10:06:11< shadowmaster> Unnheulu: uhhh, well, they wouldn't add much to mainline?
20100620 10:06:12< ancestral> He could be Cuban-Canadian living in Brazil
20100620 10:06:14< Aethaeryn> Acctually, I think Brazil is mostly an hour aheadd
20100620 10:06:21< Aethaeryn> the most populated areas.
20100620 10:06:22< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, wouldn't they?
20100620 10:06:23< shadowmaster> I mean, fun, etc. But mainline is currently all about story.
20100620 10:06:28< ancestral> tbh there's not much to gain from being in mainline
20100620 10:06:29< ancestral> except
20100620 10:06:32< shadowmaster> Wesnoth History, to be specific.
20100620 10:06:33< ancestral> someday it gets some art
20100620 10:06:37< shadowmaster> (MAINLINE SUCKS!)
20100620 10:06:38< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, it's fun, it's an awesome storyline, what else do you need>
20100620 10:06:51< ancestral> shadowmaster: there's something to say about that…
20100620 10:06:52< Aethaeryn> 2 hours even :o
20100620 10:06:59< shadowmaster> we need something like "The Developers' Choice" for UMC
20100620 10:07:06< ancestral> Well
20100620 10:07:08< shadowmaster> stuff that is high-quality, fun, but not mainlinable
20100620 10:07:11< ancestral> Maybe with 2.0
20100620 10:07:14< shadowmaster> (WORD?!)
20100620 10:07:22< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: didn't I suggest that ages ago?
20100620 10:07:32< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: yes, you did. I beat you to that.
20100620 10:07:34< Aethaeryn> just have them show up on top instead of whoever-uploads-first-this-version
20100620 10:07:39< shadowmaster> I suggested it even before you first mentioned it.
20100620 10:07:48< shadowmaster> er,, and I don't mean a ratings system
20100620 10:07:53< shadowmaster> I mean a bundle.
20100620 10:07:57< Aethaeryn> ah
20100620 10:08:03< Aethaeryn> well, I don't mean ratings system either
20100620 10:08:07< Aethaeryn> would be strictly binary
20100620 10:08:10< Aethaeryn> you get the star or you don't.
20100620 10:08:18< Aethaeryn> kind of like a forum "sticky" but for the add-on server
20100620 10:08:27< Aethaeryn> in fact, that's the perfect analogy I never thought of
20100620 10:08:29< shadowmaster> LET'S REVIEW CAMPAIGNS!
20100620 10:08:36< Aethaeryn> reviews are subjective.
20100620 10:08:38< shadowmaster> ah, wait, I'm not a good player.
20100620 10:08:41< Aethaeryn> At least you can provide a baseline of quality.
20100620 10:08:45< shadowmaster> I'm not able to do reviews anyway.
20100620 10:08:55< Aethaeryn> Some good things'll slip by, but at least good players will see complete-ish stuff
20100620 10:08:56< ancestral> shadowmaster: Yes you are
20100620 10:09:04< shadowmaster> ancestral: no, I'm not.
20100620 10:09:09< ancestral> Let me finish
20100620 10:09:11< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: you can at least review the bad stuff
20100620 10:09:16< shadowmaster> I can't even beat my own campaign in less than...THREE WEEKS!
20100620 10:09:26< ancestral> On versions that are maybe 6+ years old
20100620 10:10:05< shadowmaster> I would probably review campaigns in my blog if I could be even interested in playing singleplayer anymore
20100620 10:10:22< ancestral> From versions 0.x?
20100620 10:10:26 * Unnheulu can never motivate himself to play mp
20100620 10:10:29< shadowmaster> no, current.
20100620 10:10:33< ancestral> Oh okay
20100620 10:10:36< Unnheulu> I always lose
20100620 10:10:46< ancestral> Unnheulu: Co-op MP is the next big thing
20100620 10:10:54< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100620 10:11:01< Aethaeryn> all those survivals popping up in 1.4 and 1.6
20100620 10:11:02< Aethaeryn> :P
20100620 10:11:09< shadowmaster> lately Wesnoth has been for me "I'll work on AtS tomorrow! I'll work on AtS tomorrow! I'll work on AtS tomorrow! I'll work on AtS tomorrow! I'll work on AtS tomorrow! I'll work on AtS tomorrow! [...]"
20100620 10:11:11< Unnheulu> Maybe I should just rush the enemies :D
20100620 10:11:14< Aethaeryn> fortunately, one thing that's been rarer is Survival Xtreme
20100620 10:11:22< Aethaeryn> so many better RPGs out there
20100620 10:11:35< Aethaeryn> people just flocked to where you could max out the most
20100620 10:11:48< Aethaeryn> no wonder commercial RPGs have things like 1,000,000 damage
20100620 10:11:52< ancestral> The trouble isn't with the survival genre, just more that it's the games that use them are completely broken
20100620 10:12:01< ancestral> in Wesnoth anyway
20100620 10:12:04< Aethaeryn> uh
20100620 10:12:09< Aethaeryn> survival xtreme is not a survival.
20100620 10:12:14< ancestral> Okay so
20100620 10:12:29< ancestral> s/survival/Wesnoths' "survival"/
20100620 10:12:30< Aethaeryn> a survival, in wesnoth terms is like orocia or 6p team survival or dark forecast or my own fortress defense
20100620 10:12:32< Unnheulu> afk
20100620 10:12:48< Aethaeryn> survival xtreme is something that people call both a survival and an rpg, when it really is neither
20100620 10:12:51< ancestral> Okay
20100620 10:12:58< shadowmaster> have fun
20100620 10:13:11< Aethaeryn> they call it rpg because you control one character, to which I counter by making my RPGs have more than one character in your control
20100620 10:13:15< Aethaeryn> so
20100620 10:13:20< Aethaeryn> that's really why I hate survival xtreme.
20100620 10:13:41< Aethaeryn> because of the miscategorization as two very distinct categories that I enjoy more than survival xtreme.
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20100620 10:14:13< Aethaeryn> but I digressed didn't I?
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20100620 14:41:19< Mike1_> just out of curriosity: what’s the difference between the english (US) and the englisch (GB) manual?
20100620 14:42:06< Blarumyrran> What's manual?
20100620 14:42:16< Mike1_> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothManual
20100620 14:43:06< Blarumyrran> Well, as you can see, GB has GoldGold instead of Gold :P
20100620 14:43:25< Blarumyrran> GB stuff isn't maintained very well anywhere
20100620 14:45:35< Mike1_> the reason why I looked for the manual: How do the „show enemy moves” and „best possible enemy moves” actions work?
20100620 14:45:50< Mike1_> i’ve found nothing about it in the manual or anywhere else
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20100620 20:12:01< Unnheulu> Hiah woody
20100620 20:14:48< SekoIdiootti> hi
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20100620 22:47:20< Tomsik> hail
20100620 22:47:31< Tomsik> HAILSTORM DUUUDE
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20100620 23:22:42< Smar> all  hail headache
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