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20100623 00:13:42< PeterPorty> oh... knotwork is markm...
20100623 00:14:08< knotwork> yes
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20100623 00:14:13< PeterPorty> cool.
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20100623 00:19:26< pf2222> I knew Unnh would bring up the world cup eventually
20100623 00:20:24< Espreon> Why would one do such a heinous þing?
20100623 00:20:52< PeterPorty> Chile is totally gonna win that cup.
20100623 00:20:58< Espreon> So?
20100623 00:21:09< PeterPorty> So?
20100623 00:21:53< Espreon> Exactly.
20100623 00:22:22< PeterPorty> what do you mean?
20100623 00:22:38< pf2222> it looks like I had no internet for a second yet I still recieved your messages? :O
20100623 00:23:00< Espreon> PeterPorty: I have not met a single person IRL who cares about the World Cup.
20100623 00:23:29< PeterPorty> well, you are a gringo, gringos suck at football, therefore, they don't care about it
20100623 00:23:57< PeterPorty> O.o
20100623 00:24:02< Espreon> Uh, huh, sure.
20100623 00:24:07< Espreon> Cool story, bro.
20100623 00:24:24< Espreon> While you're playing your silly sports, I do productive things.
20100623 00:24:51< PeterPorty> like watching television and playing online games... good for you
20100623 00:25:23 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100623 00:25:29< PeterPorty> no wait, sorry
20100623 00:25:34< Espreon> OK, first of all, I don't play online videogames.
20100623 00:25:36< PeterPorty> *relevant* TV shows
20100623 00:25:46< Espreon> Second of all, I rarely watch TV.
20100623 00:25:46< PeterPorty> :D
20100623 00:25:56< Espreon> There's nothing good on anymore...
20100623 00:26:18< PeterPorty> so you just watch adult films on the intenet.... well done, I'd rather go play football
20100623 00:26:21< pf2222> I watch the news on tv
20100623 00:26:43< PeterPorty> I watch 'Lie to Me'
20100623 00:26:56< PeterPorty> and 'Two and a Half Men'
20100623 00:27:08< Espreon> PeterPorty: No.
20100623 00:27:26< PeterPorty> we don't want your adult films over here
20100623 00:27:27< Espreon> Also. how do you know if I'm white?
20100623 00:27:34< Sacho> While you're having this discussion, I'm playing productive wesnoth
20100623 00:27:46< pf2222> lol
20100623 00:27:48< Espreon> What do you mean by "my" adult films?
20100623 00:27:52< PeterPorty> when did I say you were white?
20100623 00:28:11< PeterPorty> I'm watching a prodictive wesnoth match
20100623 00:28:30< PeterPorty> I mean "your" adult films... duh.
20100623 00:28:31< pf2222> I'm listening to the radio and eating an ice cream sandwich
20100623 00:28:43< PeterPorty> sounds good
20100623 00:29:33< Espreon> PeterPorty: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gringo
20100623 00:30:02< Espreon> Also, I wasn't quoting you.
20100623 00:30:37< Sacho> pf2222: the hell? ice cream sandwich?
20100623 00:30:51< Gambit> unintelligible language?
20100623 00:30:55< Gambit> Sounds like Espreon to me.
20100623 00:31:08< Gambit> Sacho: With bread and mayo.
20100623 00:31:10< PeterPorty> A Caucasian foreigner such as an American
20100623 00:31:17< Gambit> They make beef flavored ice cream now you silly.
20100623 00:31:26 * Sacho barfs.
20100623 00:31:27< pf2222> I've actually seen a picture of ice cream on bread
20100623 00:31:47< Espreon> PeterPorty: Yes, so, how do you know if I am Caucasian?
20100623 00:31:53< pf2222> but I bet it's much better with the cookies.
20100623 00:31:56< Espreon> Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_marks#Irony
20100623 00:32:29< PeterPorty> I know you are a gringo.
20100623 00:33:34 * pf2222 notices how lots of people in here have "an" in their  nicks
20100623 00:33:51< Espreon> PeterPorty: Yes, which implies Caucasian.
20100623 00:34:06< Gambit> PeterPorty: http://www.theonion.com/video/soccer-officially-announces-it-is-gay,17603/
20100623 00:34:07< Espreon> So, how do you know if I am truly Caucasian?
20100623 00:34:30< PeterPorty> I asked franbot
20100623 00:34:39< Gambit> You speak like a well educated white man.
20100623 00:34:59< Gambit> [joke!]
20100623 00:35:04< Espreon> How do we know if I am not a well-educated blue man?
20100623 00:35:10< Gambit> Indeed.
20100623 00:35:15< Espreon> Blue people do exist, you know.
20100623 00:35:19< Gambit> Yes.
20100623 00:35:24< Gambit> Alabama wasn't it?
20100623 00:35:32< Gambit> Or was that the albino family...
20100623 00:35:36< Gambit> I can't remember.
20100623 00:36:02< Espreon> I think it was Kentucky.
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20100623 00:36:44< pf2222> @Blueblaze: Seko says hi
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20100623 00:37:43< Gambit> PeterPorty: http://www.theonion.com/video/soccer-officially-announces-it-is-gay,17603/
20100623 00:37:57< PeterPorty> I just inished watching it
20100623 00:38:08< PeterPorty> finished*
20100623 00:38:21< Espreon> PeterPorty: Also, hwy would you þink þæt I would care about your precious soccer? I've þæt sport since I was a little boy...
20100623 00:38:43< pf2222> football's a better name than soccer
20100623 00:38:49< PeterPorty> I've that sport since I was a little boy?
20100623 00:38:58< Gambit> pf2222: Less confusing for we Americans.
20100623 00:39:05< PeterPorty> yes... that's its name....
20100623 00:39:14< Gambit> Except those who wonder why they carry the ball in Football American
20100623 00:39:35< Espreon> Let's just say "association football", þen.
20100623 00:39:40< pf2222> I'm trying to start calling soccer football more 
20100623 00:39:52< Blueblazed> hi
20100623 00:39:53< PeterPorty> it's football....
20100623 00:40:03< PeterPorty> you are trying to call football football more
20100623 00:40:05< Espreon> No, it's "association football".
20100623 00:40:14< PeterPorty> hi blue
20100623 00:40:23< pf2222> and then we can just forget about american football because it sucks
20100623 00:40:25< Espreon> Noöne cares about association football... same with American football.
20100623 00:40:39< Gambit> Everyone loves Hockey!
20100623 00:40:43< PeterPorty> and the other one can be called rugby... or sucker rugby.... something like that
20100623 00:40:56< Espreon> No, no, you want "handegg".
20100623 00:41:00< PeterPorty> Hockey... only chicks play hockey....
20100623 00:41:08< PeterPorty> oh, and the US people
20100623 00:41:09< Gambit> Let's face it. The only sports worth anything are Hockey and Tennis.
20100623 00:41:16< Espreon> No.
20100623 00:41:18< PeterPorty> tennis is good
20100623 00:41:23< Espreon> None are worþ watching.
20100623 00:41:27< pf2222> hockey and tennis are good
20100623 00:41:28< PeterPorty> I like basketball....
20100623 00:41:36< Espreon> Oh, well of course.
20100623 00:41:40< pf2222> basketball too
20100623 00:41:43< PeterPorty> ;)
20100623 00:41:51< pf2222> baseball
20100623 00:41:53< PeterPorty> too bad basketball sucks in Chile
20100623 00:42:28< PeterPorty> baseball... the game where you hit a ball with a big stick and run touching platforms...
20100623 00:43:32< Espreon> PeterPorty: Also, I meant to say þæt I've hated þe sport. I don't pay too much attention to my output.
20100623 00:43:43< pf2222> I remember we went to a baseball game once. I didn't pay any attention to what was going on, though. XD
20100623 00:43:47< PeterPorty> cool
20100623 00:44:07< PeterPorty> you should learn a couple of things about writing, Espreon...
20100623 00:44:33 * Espreon doesn't proofread eiþer.
20100623 00:44:47< pf2222> I like writing
20100623 00:45:40< PeterPorty> yes, Espreon, I know you try to sound cool writing all old and stuff, but you should at least try to get the verbs right.
20100623 00:45:54< Gambit> There's this one other sport I really liked.
20100623 00:45:58< Gambit> I can't remember the name.
20100623 00:45:58< Espreon> As I said earlier, I don't pay much attention to my output.
20100623 00:46:05< Gambit> It won't be invented for another 100 years anyways though.
20100623 00:46:30< PeterPorty> umm... Blitzball Gambit?
20100623 00:46:53< Espreon> Oh God!
20100623 00:46:53< Gambit> Speedball
20100623 00:46:55< Gambit> 2100
20100623 00:47:00< PeterPorty> oh...
20100623 00:47:10< PeterPorty> and no Blitzball?
20100623 00:47:17< PeterPorty> the uber FF sport?
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20100623 00:47:36< Gambit> Nope.
20100623 00:47:47< Gambit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_(video_game)
20100623 00:49:20< Gambit> There was supposed to be another one, but it's vaporware.
20100623 00:49:36< PeterPorty> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigames_of_Final_Fantasy#Blitzball
20100623 00:49:54< Gambit> Nope. Sorry. 
20100623 00:50:03< Gambit> Earth sports only :o
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20100623 00:50:25< PeterPorty> :(
20100623 00:50:30< PeterPorty> you are so boring...
20100623 00:50:54< PeterPorty> Waka can do his cool shot in this one...
20100623 00:51:32< Gambit> Final Fantasy has ended up greatly disappointing me afterall.
20100623 00:51:46< PeterPorty> onto the card-based goames, I like triple triead
20100623 00:51:49< PeterPorty> why?
20100623 00:51:50< Gambit> They totally ruined their product just so it would fit on the BreakItSelfBox
20100623 00:51:58< Espreon> Triple Triad was fun.
20100623 00:51:58< PeterPorty> oh....
20100623 00:52:10< Espreon> ... for it allowed me to get so much shit early in the game...
20100623 00:52:11< Gambit> And the most hilarious part is that the BreakItSelfBox version didn't sell very well.
20100623 00:52:14< PeterPorty> and... you didn't like the alpha testing of the 14th?
20100623 00:52:16< Gambit> So they didn't get their money after all!
20100623 00:52:23< Gambit> PeterPorty: I couldn't even download it :(
20100623 00:52:33< PeterPorty> oh...
20100623 00:52:34< Espreon> Just card a bunch of Glacial Eyes... get a few Jumbo Cactaur cards... and... yeahz...
20100623 00:52:36< Gambit> Apparently certain ports aren't forwarding properly on my router.
20100623 00:52:39< PeterPorty> vuz of your poarents
20100623 00:52:53< PeterPorty> cuz*
20100623 00:52:58< PeterPorty> oh...
20100623 00:53:18< PeterPorty> so... this one will probably be cool...
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20100623 00:53:37< pf2222> my stupid computer crashed
20100623 00:53:40< PeterPorty> dunno, didn't play 13... but they've told me is excelent...
20100623 00:53:41< PeterPorty> wb
20100623 00:54:16< pf2222> 10.04 is so buggy
20100623 00:54:24< Espreon> I heard that XIII sucks.
20100623 00:54:31< PeterPorty> really?
20100623 00:54:35< Espreon> XIV doesn't exist.
20100623 00:54:50< Espreon> ... nor does XI.
20100623 00:54:57< Espreon> PeterPorty: Yes.
20100623 00:55:08< PeterPorty> hmm...
20100623 00:55:14< pf2222> the only thing I can think of is Final Fantasy
20100623 00:55:46< PeterPorty> http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/
20100623 00:56:08< Espreon> Doesn't exist.
20100623 00:56:27< PeterPorty> ummm...
20100623 00:56:33< Espreon> XV better be good.
20100623 00:56:39< PeterPorty> it's on alpha testing...
20100623 00:57:07< Espreon> XIV will never exist.
20100623 00:57:12< Espreon> XI never existed...
20100623 00:57:13< PeterPorty> ..
20100623 00:57:19< PeterPorty> so?
20100623 00:57:27< Espreon> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
20100623 00:57:27< PeterPorty> wait... XI DID exist
20100623 00:57:30< Espreon> Nope.
20100623 00:57:34< PeterPorty> I remember it...
20100623 00:57:37< PeterPorty> I think...
20100623 00:57:58< PeterPorty> been so long since I've had enough money to buy games....
20100623 00:58:03< Espreon> FF games that are MMORPGs don't exist in my mind.
20100623 00:58:12< PeterPorty> ...
20100623 00:59:50 * pf2222 wonders what's for dinner
20100623 01:01:21< pf2222> woohoo
20100623 01:01:34< pf2222> temperature: 98.6 °F
20100623 01:01:46< pf2222> feels like: 103.8 °F
20100623 01:01:49< pf2222> :/
20100623 01:02:58< pf2222> ...weird, 98.6 is normal body temperature lol
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20100623 01:04:22< pf2222> (37C and 39.8888889C)
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20100623 01:06:50< PeterPorty> bye, I'll go play some triple triad...
20100623 01:06:52< PeterPorty> c ya
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20100623 01:07:22 * Espreon hopes that PeterPorty is playing that in FF VIII.
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20100623 03:10:38< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, can you help me with my campaign?
20100623 03:10:40< PeterPorty>  In the music part, after choosing the music, what does 'append' do?
20100623 03:11:23< PeterPorty> oh, and how do I choos the gold at the start of the sceenario?
20100623 03:11:26< PeterPorty> thanks
20100623 03:11:29 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100623 03:11:57< PeterPorty> Esp, seems shadowmaster isn't here, either that or he's ignoring me, can you help me?
20100623 03:12:29< PeterPorty> Espreon?
20100623 03:12:30< Espreon> Yes I can!
20100623 03:12:33< PeterPorty> please?
20100623 03:12:40< PeterPorty> would you?
20100623 03:13:06< PeterPorty> (I know you can, but... would you?)
20100623 03:13:14< Espreon> Hmmmm... sure, I guess.
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20100623 03:13:18< PeterPorty> thanks
20100623 03:13:24< PeterPorty> so...
20100623 03:13:27< Espreon> OK, for "append", what do you think it does?
20100623 03:13:39< PeterPorty> umm.... dunno, never heard that word
20100623 03:13:57< PeterPorty> but as it has to do with music, maybe repeat it?
20100623 03:14:00< PeterPorty> dunno....
20100623 03:14:02< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/append
20100623 03:14:10< Espreon> Try researching things.
20100623 03:14:49< PeterPorty> is it to... attach music to the campaign that isn't mainline?
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20100623 03:16:00< Espreon> PeterPorty: No, "append" makes it so that the track is appended to the playlist.
20100623 03:16:09< PeterPorty> oh....
20100623 03:16:13< PeterPorty> thanks
20100623 03:16:15< PeterPorty> :)
20100623 03:16:32< PeterPorty> and... how about the starting gold?
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20100623 03:17:13< Espreon> PeterPorty: Uh, you want to define the amount of gold a certain side has?
20100623 03:17:21< PeterPorty> yep
20100623 03:17:24< PeterPorty> my side...
20100623 03:17:36< PeterPorty> the player's*
20100623 03:17:56< Espreon> Use the GOLD macro.
20100623 03:18:02< elvish_sovereign> PeterPorty: {GOLD 100 200 300}
20100623 03:18:07< elvish_sovereign> ahh beat me to it
20100623 03:18:13< PeterPorty> oh... ok, thanks
20100623 03:18:16< PeterPorty> :D
20100623 03:18:25< elvish_sovereign> 100 200 300 being the respective gold for each difficulty
20100623 03:18:49< PeterPorty> yeah, I know, I'm not THAT dumb  =d
20100623 03:18:58< elvish_sovereign> just making sure :D
20100623 03:19:03< elvish_sovereign> tahahaha
20100623 03:19:05< PeterPorty> ;)
20100623 03:19:29< PeterPorty> Do I NEED to use the income macro, or is it by default 0?
20100623 03:19:41< elvish_sovereign> gold is default to 100
20100623 03:19:46< elvish_sovereign> and income is default to 0
20100623 03:19:50< elvish_sovereign> in otherowrds, yes
20100623 03:19:55< elvish_sovereign> otherwords*
20100623 03:19:57< PeterPorty> ok, thanks
20100623 03:20:21< elvish_sovereign> PeterPorty: You writing a campaign?
20100623 03:20:28< PeterPorty> yep
20100623 03:20:42< elvish_sovereign> niiice
20100623 03:20:59< PeterPorty> a supposedly funny, but it's hard to make a funny-for-everyone campaign....
20100623 03:21:10< elvish_sovereign> :)
20100623 03:21:34< PeterPorty> so... It'll probably just be funny to weirdos like me...
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20100623 03:25:31< PeterPorty> I will name the main female character 'Hulavuta'...
20100623 03:25:37< PeterPorty> :D
20100623 03:31:43< VurtualRuler98> I thought you said helvetica. Why can't more main characters be named after fonts?
20100623 03:36:08< PeterPorty> my main character is called Arial
20100623 03:36:20< PeterPorty> and the main enemy is called Times New Roman
20100623 03:36:23< PeterPorty> :)
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20100623 03:41:55< Hulavuta> HI
20100623 03:42:16< Hulavuta> It is empty
20100623 03:42:22< Hulavuta> I am the only one here.
20100623 03:42:28< Hulavuta> I quickly glance around. Perhaps they are hiding...
20100623 03:42:36< Hulavuta> Nothing seems to appear....
20100623 03:42:42< Hulavuta> Slowly, I cut a corner.
20100623 03:42:43< Hulavuta> Nothing.
20100623 03:42:47< Hulavuta> Whatever was here, is now gone
20100623 03:42:51< Hulavuta> FOREVER!!!
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20100623 03:42:57< PeterPorty> O.o
20100623 03:43:03< Hulavuta> AAAAH!!!
20100623 03:43:07< Hulavuta> I ENCOUNTER A NATIVE
20100623 03:43:11< PeterPorty> check the log, a little before you got here
20100623 03:43:12< Hulavuta> SHOOT IT SHOOT IT SHOOT IT
20100623 03:43:22< PeterPorty> we were talkiing about you
20100623 03:43:27< Hulavuta> What did you say?
20100623 03:43:32< PeterPorty> ummm...
20100623 03:43:36< Hulavuta> How do I view the log?
20100623 03:43:36< PeterPorty> check the logs
20100623 03:43:41< Hulavuta> Oh
20100623 03:43:45< Hulavuta> Gimme me the URL
20100623 03:44:04< Hulavuta> You know if it's trash I can report you
20100623 03:44:18< PeterPorty> http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2010/06/%23wesnoth.2010-06-23.log
20100623 03:44:46< PeterPorty> I thought you might want to know about it....
20100623 03:45:03< Hulavuta> So you're naming a female character after me?
20100623 03:45:10< PeterPorty> :)
20100623 03:45:25< PeterPorty> she's a MAIN, HOT female character
20100623 03:45:31< Hulavuta> What unit?
20100623 03:45:34< PeterPorty> so... you are welcome
20100623 03:45:39< PeterPorty> a custom one
20100623 03:45:40< Hulavuta> Hulavuta isn't a human name though...
20100623 03:45:47< Hulavuta> If it's custom, it's going to be ugly
20100623 03:45:48< Hulavuta> Change it
20100623 03:45:54< PeterPorty> she'll be a human/fox
20100623 03:45:58< Hulavuta> It infringes my rights as a human beign
20100623 03:46:01< Hulavuta> *being
20100623 03:46:25< PeterPorty> I'll beg like an idiot for someone cool like zero to do it
20100623 03:46:32< Hulavuta> Lol
20100623 03:46:37< PeterPorty> no kiddin
20100623 03:46:43< Hulavuta> Well, I doubt your campaign will take off anyway, so go ahead
20100623 03:46:46< PeterPorty> but that is after my campaign is done.
20100623 03:46:50< PeterPorty> hey!
20100623 03:47:01< Hulavuta> I don't mean it'll suck
20100623 03:47:13< PeterPorty> but you did think about it
20100623 03:47:17< Hulavuta> I mean that most campaigns made by beginners often get abandoned
20100623 03:47:25< Hulavuta> beginners as in WML beginners
20100623 03:47:31< Hulavuta> Just look at the "Huge RPG" stuffs
20100623 03:47:31< PeterPorty> well, this one is gonna be a good one
20100623 03:47:37< PeterPorty> a funny one
20100623 03:47:56< Hulavuta> Depends on your definition of funny
20100623 03:47:58< PeterPorty> and it won't be a huge thing, I'm starting little, probably no more than 11 scenarios
20100623 03:48:08< elvish_sovereign> :)
20100623 03:48:11< PeterPorty> ok, non-serious
20100623 03:48:25< Hulavuta> Is it going to be a bunch of jokes that are childish, or mature.
20100623 03:48:28< PeterPorty> elvish_sovereign, is gonna play it, right?
20100623 03:48:36< PeterPorty> immature*
20100623 03:48:38< Hulavuta> As in, penis jokes, or political jokes
20100623 03:48:40< PeterPorty> little correction
20100623 03:48:47< elvish_sovereign> depends if it's good, of course ;)
20100623 03:48:50< PeterPorty> no, no peniis jokes
20100623 03:48:57< Hulavuta> No, I meant, are the jokes going to be childish or are they going to be mature
20100623 03:49:03< PeterPorty> oh...
20100623 03:49:05< Hulavuta> I'm not using question marks today
20100623 03:49:09< Hulavuta> see what i mean
20100623 03:49:16< PeterPorty> well, something in the twisted adult side of jokes....
20100623 03:49:22< PeterPorty> lol
20100623 03:49:33< PeterPorty> <Hulavuta> What unit?
20100623 03:49:39< PeterPorty> you did
20100623 03:49:40< elvish_sovereign> PeterPorty: use variables. Lots of 'em!!! Feel my pain.
20100623 03:49:48< PeterPorty> O.o
20100623 03:50:04< PeterPorty> At some point it'll have a mention to a boner....
20100623 03:50:25< Hulavuta> I hate variables so much
20100623 03:50:32< Hulavuta> They never work for me :-(
20100623 03:50:34< PeterPorty> elvish_sovereign, will be staring at Hulavuta, and... Mark will notice it.
20100623 03:50:40< PeterPorty> HA!
20100623 03:50:46< elvish_sovereign> ?
20100623 03:50:48< Hulavuta> You sick freak
20100623 03:50:49< elvish_sovereign> wut?
20100623 03:50:52< Hulavuta> YOU SICK FREAK
20100623 03:50:55< PeterPorty> jk, jk
20100623 03:51:06< Hulavuta> Is that your idea of a joke? 
20100623 03:51:09< PeterPorty> ark is the moron main char btw
20100623 03:51:18< PeterPorty> I'm jk in irc man...
20100623 03:51:41< PeterPorty> and yes, my jokes WILL get eight year olds creeped out
20100623 03:51:41< Hulavuta> Hey elvish_sovereign, guess what I'm about to do?
20100623 03:51:50< PeterPorty> ignore?
20100623 03:51:55< elvish_sovereign> c'mon
20100623 03:52:04< Hulavuta> You don't know PeterPorty, it's an inside joke
20100623 03:52:09< elvish_sovereign> start eatingeatingeatingeatingeatingeatingeatingeatingeatingeatingeatingeatingeating
20100623 03:52:16< PeterPorty> oh...
20100623 03:52:18< Hulavuta> yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes
20100623 03:52:28< elvish_sovereign> Hulavuta would never ignore me
20100623 03:52:28< PeterPorty> um... cuz you eat so much?
20100623 03:52:34< PeterPorty> no, I meant me
20100623 03:53:29 * King_Elendil thinks some people need to find something to do with their lives.
20100623 03:53:37< Hulavuta> :'(
20100623 03:53:45< elvish_sovereign> variablesvariablesvariablesvariablesvariablesvariablesvariablesvariables
20100623 03:53:49< elvish_sovereign> ahh!
20100623 03:53:51< King_Elendil> peterporty: I do like the new avatar
20100623 03:53:52< elvish_sovereign> frustrated
20100623 03:54:04< PeterPorty> seriously?
20100623 03:54:15< PeterPorty> it's a crappy frankie
20100623 03:54:17< Hulavuta> King_Elendil: Do you like my new avatar?
20100623 03:54:25< Hulavuta> I like the Cavalier better
20100623 03:54:43< PeterPorty> yeah... but they are using it for the cool people's era
20100623 03:54:46< King_Elendil> idk, let me check
20100623 03:54:58< elvish_sovereign> I reminds me... brb
20100623 03:55:03< PeterPorty> and I liked my Valkyre one, but... it is kinda girly....
20100623 03:55:03< elvish_sovereign> that* reminds
20100623 03:55:44< PeterPorty> Hula, you don't have a new avatar
20100623 03:55:48< PeterPorty> it's the same old one
20100623 03:55:50< Hulavuta> Sssshhhh
20100623 03:55:50< King_Elendil> Hulavuta, I'm not in love with it- it's ok but not my faorite
20100623 03:55:55< Hulavuta> loll
20100623 03:56:01< Hulavuta> You mean the Daffy Duck one? 
20100623 03:56:06< King_Elendil> *favorite 
20100623 03:56:34< Hulavuta> food time
20100623 03:56:36< PeterPorty> and... you like my too-big-of-a-staff-for-him Mage?
20100623 03:56:41 * King_Elendil 's lost
20100623 03:56:43< elvish_sovereign> yay new avatar
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20100623 03:56:52< King_Elendil> yes
20100623 03:56:59< elvish_sovereign> me, i mean
20100623 03:57:24< Hulavuta> old marshal?
20100623 03:57:30< elvish_sovereign> yup
20100623 03:57:31< Hulavuta> Maybe you should use the old Desert Marshal
20100623 03:57:56< King_Elendil> Elvish_sovereign, I like it
20100623 03:57:58< Hulavuta> You used the new Desert Marshal earlier right?
20100623 03:58:08< elvish_sovereign> ?
20100623 03:58:20< King_Elendil> I need a new avy very badly
20100623 03:58:20< elvish_sovereign> Hulavuta: nope. current regular Marshal
20100623 03:58:28< elvish_sovereign> King_Elendil: thanks!
20100623 03:58:46< elvish_sovereign> yuup. the current is wayy to obnoxious
20100623 03:58:51< Hulavuta> Before this avatar, you used the Desert Marshal or the Marshal Marshal?
20100623 03:58:54< elvish_sovereign> the 1.0 one is a little better
20100623 03:58:58< elvish_sovereign> MM
20100623 03:59:05< Hulavuta> oh
20100623 03:59:05< Hulavuta> ok
20100623 03:59:13< Hulavuta> food time
20100623 03:59:18< elvish_sovereign> http://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/C/Elvish%20Marshal.html
20100623 04:00:05< PeterPorty> Hula, check the three word story
20100623 04:00:50< elvish_sovereign> ;)
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20100623 04:01:53< PeterPorty> elvish_sovereign, would you mind to appear in my campaign? you would be an elvish marshalm and you'd be the owner of some woods....
20100623 04:02:16< elvish_sovereign> Sure. Make me an evil uber-powerful bad guy
20100623 04:02:19< PeterPorty> The woods are called Momowoods
20100623 04:02:29< elvish_sovereign> with {GOLD 500 700 900}
20100623 04:02:35< PeterPorty> oh... I had planned you as an ally, but ok, you are a bad guy
20100623 04:02:36< elvish_sovereign> and I can recruit lvl 3's
20100623 04:02:41< elvish_sovereign> ohh
20100623 04:02:48< elvish_sovereign> whatever, I was joking
20100623 04:02:53< elvish_sovereign> it's up to you , really
20100623 04:02:56< PeterPorty> no, you can recriut 1 level 2 and level 1s
20100623 04:03:04< PeterPorty> and you will not have that much gold
20100623 04:03:10< elvish_sovereign> :(
20100623 04:03:21< PeterPorty> hey!
20100623 04:03:26< elvish_sovereign> tahahaha
20100623 04:03:32< elvish_sovereign> sure ;)
20100623 04:03:48< PeterPorty> I can recriut 3 level 1s and some 0s and you get a level 2 and plenty of 1s!
20100623 04:04:12< PeterPorty> but that is gonna be the third scenario, I'm on the first on right now...
20100623 04:04:28< elvish_sovereign> Dont' make the maps too big
20100623 04:04:34< elvish_sovereign> it's a common mistake
20100623 04:04:37< elvish_sovereign> just sayin'
20100623 04:05:12< PeterPorty> nah, I've alway liked small maps, I actually need to make them bigger
20100623 04:05:20< PeterPorty> always*
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20100623 04:05:30< Hulavuta> Big maps work in Real TIme games, but not turn based
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20100623 04:06:08< Hulavuta> Because in Real Time, you want to explore to kill time, and Turn based it takes a long time in between turns so it gets boring moving across large fields
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20100623 04:15:14< PeterPorty> ok... so now I have to finish this fast before shadowmaster notices he's in the campaign...
20100623 04:16:49< PeterPorty> so... first scenario done, need to pick the music... and... that's it... well, I need to test it too, but for that I need to make the main file.. and I'm kinda tired....
20100623 04:17:01< PeterPorty> so I'll just pick the music
20100623 04:17:46< PeterPorty> btw, Hulavuta, did you read the three word story?
20100623 04:17:58< shadowmaster> 0
20100623 04:18:17< shadowmaster> pretend that I didn't say anything at all.
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20100623 04:21:19< PeterPorty> huh?
20100623 04:21:21< PeterPorty> OMG!
20100623 04:21:25 * PeterPorty runs
20100623 04:21:32< elvish_sovereign> yay
20100623 04:21:51< PeterPorty> nah, jk, I knew you were here, but I know you'd love to be on my campaign
20100623 04:21:58< PeterPorty> you are the master of all evil...
20100623 04:22:04< shadowmaster> ...no.
20100623 04:22:36< shadowmaster> also, I'm not really interested on user made content, so don't expect me to review it
20100623 04:23:20< Hulavuta> Yes and I'm still going to call you Porty forever
20100623 04:23:24< Hulavuta> Maybe PP
20100623 04:23:33< PeterPorty> no, but... I can add you in it, right?
20100623 04:23:40< PeterPorty> and Master?
20100623 04:25:32< PeterPorty> shadowmaster? I can
20100623 04:25:36< PeterPorty> right?
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20100623 04:28:00< PeterPorty> I'll take that as a yes.
20100623 04:28:21< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: it's "genre", not "gender", btw
20100623 04:28:29< PeterPorty> O.o
20100623 04:28:33< PeterPorty> are you spying me?
20100623 04:28:38< PeterPorty> ok, I'll correct it
20100623 04:28:41< PeterPorty> thx btw
20100623 04:28:47< Hulavuta> [quote=PPH]The beginning of the main melody reminds me of the soundtrack of Braveheart.[/quote] Also you might want to add quotation marks
20100623 04:28:48 * pyshee is a thumbnail.
20100623 04:28:49< shadowmaster> no, I was spying IPS.
20100623 04:28:59< shadowmaster> you just happened to post while I decided to go to his
20100623 04:29:16< PeterPorty> oh...
20100623 04:29:20< elvish_sovereign> oh IPS...
20100623 04:29:34< Hulavuta> Why are you spying IPS?
20100623 04:29:34< PeterPorty> IPS also made the same mistake, I just copied him
20100623 04:29:50< Hulavuta> PeePee, you might want to fix your quote in the music section too
20100623 04:30:31< Hulavuta> Anybody want to play DotG?
20100623 04:30:57< PeterPorty> whats that?
20100623 04:31:03< Hulavuta> Join and see
20100623 04:31:04< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: because.
20100623 04:31:18< PeterPorty> and,,, peepee is?
20100623 04:31:34< Hulavuta> You're PeePee
20100623 04:31:35< shadowmaster> let's say that IPS' usage of English is as dangerous as leaving a 1-year old with a knife on their hands.
20100623 04:31:36< PeterPorty> why is hula spying on me too?
20100623 04:31:46< PeterPorty> lol
20100623 04:31:48< PeterPorty> LOL
20100623 04:32:03< Hulavuta> Are you saying he might accidentally use a curse word instead of the right word?
20100623 04:32:09< shadowmaster> so I'm reading every post of his in case he gets in trouble due to this language barrier
20100623 04:32:12< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: no
20100623 04:32:13< PeterPorty> Monito con Navaja.... McN is the new IPS
20100623 04:32:17< Hulavuta> ok
20100623 04:32:30< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster: awesome
20100623 04:32:40< elvish_sovereign> the IPS quote, I mean
20100623 04:32:50< Hulavuta> So what exactly is the problem?
20100623 04:32:51< elvish_sovereign> or description, really :)
20100623 04:33:03< Hulavuta> Urrgggg...why is Wesnoth taking so long to load
20100623 04:33:34< Hulavuta> You guys want to play DotG? I think I have time
20100623 04:33:54< Hulavuta> nvm
20100623 04:34:14< PeterPorty> thx for correction btw Hula
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20100623 04:34:54< Hulavuta> wut
20100623 04:35:00< Hulavuta> Anyway, you guys want to do MP?
20100623 04:35:12< Hulavuta> maybe Wesband?
20100623 04:35:56< PeterPorty> umm...nope
20100623 04:36:00 * King_Elendil is making a new avy
20100623 04:36:06< Hulavuta> cool
20100623 04:36:06< PeterPorty> cool
20100623 04:36:09< PeterPorty> damn
20100623 04:36:12< PeterPorty> ninja'd
20100623 04:36:15< Hulavuta> inb4PP
20100623 04:36:29< King_Elendil> lol
20100623 04:36:32< Hulavuta> BTW, it's "avvie" not "avy"
20100623 04:36:42< PeterPorty> ...
20100623 04:36:46< PeterPorty> It's avy
20100623 04:37:01< King_Elendil> It's avy
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20100623 04:37:51< King_Elendil> see one "v" in aVatar?
20100623 04:39:09< PeterPorty> it's either Avy or Avi, no Avvie... that would be just dumb....
20100623 04:39:55< Hulavuta> Shut up ho
20100623 04:39:57< King_Elendil> tada! done
20100623 04:40:11< PeterPorty> o.o
20100623 04:40:32< PeterPorty> looks cool
20100623 04:40:41< King_Elendil> you like it?
20100623 04:40:44< PeterPorty> yes
20100623 04:41:09< PeterPorty> but... although I like the shield itself, I don't think it goes with the sprite...
20100623 04:41:13< PeterPorty> just saying
20100623 04:41:34< King_Elendil> it's just a frankie- I think I might end up fixing the shield eventually
20100623 04:41:47< PeterPorty> the sprite is something like a... fast moving, cloaked (not armoured) guy, and the shield looks pretty heavy...
20100623 04:41:57< PeterPorty> I0m just saying...
20100623 04:42:02< PeterPorty> I'm*
20100623 04:42:09< elvish_sovereign> King_Elendil: niiice
20100623 04:42:26< shadowmaster> too saturated.
20100623 04:42:31< King_Elendil> WINR & NAI
20100623 04:42:44< shadowmaster> shikadibot: NAI?
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20100623 04:42:44< shikadibot> Sorry, I don't know what 'NAI' means...
20100623 04:42:52< shadowmaster> ...help?
20100623 04:43:06< King_Elendil> that's cause I made it up: Neither am I
20100623 04:43:23< PeterPorty> huh?
20100623 04:43:49< elvish_sovereign> :D
20100623 04:43:59< PeterPorty> so... neither you are what?
20100623 04:44:09< King_Elendil> oh gosh: Wesnoth is not real and neither am I when it comes to spriting 
20100623 04:44:30< King_Elendil> I guess realistic would be a better word
20100623 04:44:46< shadowmaster> I don't see anyone talking about being something when it comes to spriting, above.
20100623 04:44:57< PeterPorty> oh...
20100623 04:45:19< PeterPorty> I was just saying.... gee... don't get offended...
20100623 04:45:36< King_Elendil> not in the least bit offended
20100623 04:45:43 * PeterPorty hides under behind shadowmaster
20100623 04:45:56< King_Elendil> under behind?
20100623 04:46:10< PeterPorty> go hit im', Big Bro
20100623 04:46:22< King_Elendil> ?
20100623 04:46:35< PeterPorty> damn... I wrote under, and it sounded gay, so I changed it... seems I didn't...
20100623 04:46:49< King_Elendil> lol
20100623 04:47:00< PeterPorty> don't laugh, it ain't funny
20100623 04:47:11< King_Elendil> lol
20100623 04:47:28< PeterPorty> Temuchin Khan
20100623 04:48:01< StealthyCoin> Is there any simple way to calculate the distance between hexes that I am missing. Or do I really have to find the number of even hexes crossed horizontally?
20100623 04:48:16< PeterPorty> ...
20100623 04:48:24< PeterPorty> I don't get your question...
20100623 04:48:33< PeterPorty> but... yeah, manually is the answer
20100623 04:49:02< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: that's not very helpful.
20100623 04:49:15< PeterPorty> ok, then YOU answer
20100623 04:49:21< PeterPorty> big bro'
20100623 04:49:27< PeterPorty> (your new name)
20100623 04:49:29< King_Elendil> good night people, I have to work on my barn roof early tomorrow morning :/
20100623 04:49:52< PeterPorty> c ya Elendil
20100623 04:49:57< PeterPorty> sleep well
20100623 04:50:02< King_Elendil> I'll try
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20100623 04:50:23< shadowmaster> StealthyCoin: I'd advise to ask in WML Workshop instead.
20100623 04:50:41< shadowmaster> I know that there's no way to do that in WML, but I have no idea if it's doable in embedded lua.
20100623 04:51:00< shadowmaster> *no direct way
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20100623 04:51:35< StealthyCoin> Ok. Im seeing no direct way myself. And currently am doing it in a python script.
20100623 04:52:06< shadowmaster> uh, you can't use python from wesnoth.
20100623 04:52:15 * StealthyCoin is writing a replay parser
20100623 04:52:32< shadowmaster> ahhhh.
20100623 04:52:39< StealthyCoin> Im pretty close to finished.
20100623 04:52:58< PeterPorty> elvish_sovereign, I like your Avy....
20100623 04:53:10< elvish_sovereign> thanks!
20100623 04:53:10< shadowmaster> I thought we were talking about WML.
20100623 04:53:18< elvish_sovereign> haha
20100623 04:53:26< PeterPorty> :D
20100623 04:53:27< StealthyCoin> Unfortunately 1.6 does not report where the unit was recruited, just where the mouse was. So if recruitment was not done in a castle tile I have to find the best castle tile myself.
20100623 04:53:46< StealthyCoin> From what I gather its found CW starting above the leader
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20100623 05:01:29< Hulavuta> Byebye
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20100623 05:04:34< PeterPorty> e_s, nothing against your avy, I actually liked it, but... I needed a rhyme
20100623 05:05:22< PeterPorty> so... yeah, I'm leaving too... c ya guys.
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20100623 05:12:56< StealthyCoin> shadowmaster: figured it out.
20100623 05:13:00< elvish_sovereign> gotta go. see ya all!
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20100623 06:38:58< e_s-iOS> Test
20100623 06:39:21< e_s-iOS> sorry, just testing this thing
20100623 06:39:27< Aethaeryn> oh?
20100623 06:39:35< Aethaeryn> really?
20100623 06:39:56< e_s-iOS> Yuup
20100623 06:39:58< Aethaeryn> omg
20100623 06:40:00< Aethaeryn> iOS device
20100623 06:40:03< Aethaeryn> on verizon
20100623 06:40:05< shadowm_laptop> and who are you?
20100623 06:40:08< Aethaeryn> iPhone on Verizon
20100623 06:40:09< Aethaeryn> :o
20100623 06:40:12< e_s-iOS> No
20100623 06:40:17< e_s-iOS> In iPod
20100623 06:40:23< Aethaeryn> 00:41:19 CTCP VERSION reply from e_s-iOS: Colloquy 1.3 (4988) - iPhone OS 3.2 (ARM) - http://colloquy.mobi
20100623 06:40:30< Aethaeryn> Then Colloquy just failed. :P
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20100623 06:56:04< ancestral> Do you have multi-tasking?
20100623 06:56:16< ancestral> e_s-iOS: I have Colloquy for iPhone
20100623 06:56:38< e_s-iOS> Nope
20100623 06:56:47< ancestral> e_s-iOS: What iPod for you have
20100623 06:58:06< e_s-iOS> Actually, I have an iPad
20100623 06:58:06< e_s-iOS> Sorry, I just didn't want to show off
20100623 06:58:06< e_s-iOS> So I said I had an iPod Touch
20100623 06:58:25< ancestral> Heh
20100623 06:58:32< ancestral> No multi-tasking for you then
20100623 06:58:34< ancestral> ;-)
20100623 06:59:02< e_s-iOS> Hopefully later
20100623 06:59:02< e_s-iOS> When the update comes out
20100623 06:59:19< e_s-iOS> Oh and if you were wondering, yes this is elvish_sovereign
20100623 07:00:10< ancestral> Aha
20100623 07:00:12< ancestral> Of course
20100623 07:00:26< e_s-iOS> :)
20100623 07:00:35< ancestral> Now we're even bester pals
20100623 07:00:43< e_s-iOS> Great progress on the Academy, btw
20100623 07:01:06< ancestral> thanks though I need to overhaul some things
20100623 07:01:13< e_s-iOS> Yay!
20100623 07:02:02< ancestral> It needs to be super slick
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20100623 07:03:00< e_s-iOS> Of course :)
20100623 07:05:24< e_s-iOS> Ok it's late and I'm tired. Bye!
20100623 07:05:40< e_s-iOS> See ya all later
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20100623 07:34:02 * pyshee is still a Ninja-Farmer.
20100623 07:34:43 * pyshee is also in a state of extreme ennui.
20100623 07:34:51 * pyshee is pyshee.
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20100623 07:59:31 * pyshee says bye
20100623 07:59:40 * pyshee wonders if anyone is actually here...
20100623 07:59:43< shadowmaster> yes
20100623 08:00:02 * pyshee is not surprised by your presense.
20100623 08:00:10 * pyshee types: :P
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20100623 08:00:23< shadowmaster> but I'd prefer you talked normally instead of using actions
20100623 08:00:43< pyshaafk> what if i prefer you talk in third person as well as i?
20100623 08:00:56< shadowmaster> then you'd be silly.
20100623 08:01:03 * pyshaafk is silly.
20100623 08:01:15< shadowmaster> that's depressing.
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20100623 08:49:37< Ivanovic> moin
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20100623 10:26:14 * zookeeper blinks
20100623 10:26:33< zookeeper> i was just cleaning up some old files, and found this bizarre image: http://imagebin.org/102391
20100623 10:28:30< ancestral> It's a hoedown
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20100623 10:39:37< Aethaeryn> poor peasant :-(
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20100623 15:41:19< Aethaeryn> w00t
20100623 15:41:33< Aethaeryn> today's email-lottery win is from the United Nations.
20100623 15:42:27< Aethaeryn> and they offered it in USD (950500.00) instead of GBP (or no unit at all specified)
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20100623 15:54:12< Hulavuta> Hi
20100623 15:54:56< Hulavuta> If a game used Wesnoth images but it wasn't licensed under GPL, would that be legal? (Without any permission from the Dev's)
20100623 15:55:24< Valkier> Like someones workshop images?
20100623 15:55:50< Hulavuta> Like Mainline stuff
20100623 15:56:05< Valkier> Not sure. I'd imagine it's frowned upon.
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20100623 15:56:45< Hulavuta> But is the GPL a "sueable" license?
20100623 15:56:51< Hulavuta> I'm not very good with all the legal stuff
20100623 15:57:18< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: If they're not selling their product, it doesn't really matter that much, usually.
20100623 15:57:19< Valkier> What game is doing this?
20100623 15:57:32< Aethaeryn> But yeah.
20100623 15:57:38< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Link or it didn't happen.
20100623 15:57:53< Hulavuta> It didn't happen
20100623 15:57:55< Valkier> $20 on Egoboo
20100623 15:57:59< Valkier> bah!
20100623 15:58:06< Hulavuta> I'm a naturally curious person
20100623 15:58:15< Hulavuta> So it was just something that popped in my brain.
20100623 15:58:24< Hulavuta> So, we can se?
20100623 15:58:26< Hulavuta> *sue?
20100623 15:59:38< Aethaeryn> Do we want to sue? Especially if they're not making money?
20100623 15:59:44< Hulavuta> I guess not
20100623 15:59:50< Hulavuta> I was just asking "can" we sue
20100623 15:59:57< Hulavuta> Are we "allowed" to sue
20100623 16:00:04< Aethaeryn> You also haven't provided a link.
20100623 16:00:14< Hulavuta> I already said it didn't happen
20100623 16:00:23< Aethaeryn> k
20100623 16:00:26< Aethaeryn> It has happened.
20100623 16:00:28< Hulavuta> I was just asking.
20100623 16:00:29< Aethaeryn> On the forums.
20100623 16:00:35< Hulavuta> So we "can" sue?
20100623 16:00:44< Aethaeryn> Uh
20100623 16:00:53< Aethaeryn> no, we don't sue.
20100623 16:00:59< Valkier> They probably just get asked to stop. :-P
20100623 16:01:02< Hulavuta> But I mean is it allowed?
20100623 16:01:03< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100623 16:01:06< Aethaeryn> we politely ask them.
20100623 16:01:14< Aethaeryn> the only people who make money off of lawsuits guarunteed are lawyers.
20100623 16:01:20< Aethaeryn> they're expensive and messy
20100623 16:01:27< Hulavuta> my question isn't "What would you do?" my question is "Are you ALLOWED to sue?"
20100623 16:01:29< Aethaeryn> especially internationally, which half the Internet stuff are
20100623 16:01:50< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Allowed?
20100623 16:02:00< Aethaeryn> Anyone can sue for anything they want.
20100623 16:02:05< Aethaeryn> Winning is a different story.
20100623 16:02:09< Hulavuta> Lol
20100623 16:02:19< Hulavuta> I forgot.
20100623 16:02:27< Aethaeryn> And yes, the Wesnoth team would be allowed to sue
20100623 16:02:30< Hulavuta> Anyone want to fix a story hole in my campaign?
20100623 16:02:38< Aethaeryn> Since they own teh copyritez and stuffz
20100623 16:02:56< Aethaeryn> So yeah, they can sue whoever they want if they're not all copyleft about it
20100623 16:03:01< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Google "GPL violation"
20100623 16:03:26< Aethaeryn> you get 110,000 results.
20100623 16:03:32< Aethaeryn> there's a lot more GPL violations than that.
20100623 16:04:00< Aethaeryn> It's hard to go after, so usually lawsuits over IP (any IP) are just if the guy's doing it for profit...
20100623 16:04:26< Aethaeryn> Or in the case of paid-for games, if they're taking a big cut of your profit (supposedly)... aka. peer-to-peer. For us, that one's irrelevent.
20100623 16:05:35< Hulavuta> okkk
20100623 16:05:54< Hulavuta> Anyone want to help me with a tiny thing for my campaign?
20100623 16:06:07< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Let me revise my statement.
20100623 16:06:32< Aethaeryn> The only people who can routinely sue guarunteed rather easily are two groups, and it's because they get frequent-sue-people discounts, probably.
20100623 16:06:47< Aethaeryn> Scientologists and music/media industry people.
20100623 16:07:02< Aethaeryn> And both have tons of money to waste if a few fall through anyway.
20100623 16:07:23< Aethaeryn> For most other people, it just stops at a polite letter and a threat.
20100623 16:07:32< Hulavuta> I have another question....
20100623 16:07:39< Aethaeryn> Also
20100623 16:07:42< Aethaeryn> I am not a lawyer.
20100623 16:07:51< Aethaeryn> Nor am I the copyright-infringement police of Wesnoth.
20100623 16:07:57< Aethaeryn> Nor do I formulate any policy for either.
20100623 16:08:03< Hulavuta> Ok
20100623 16:08:10< Aethaeryn> But I doubt any of those people have time for hypotheticals.
20100623 16:08:39< Hulavuta> Well my hypothetical question isn't very uncommon, so they'd probably know...I guess
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20100623 16:09:20< mrDuck> oh hey guys,sorry fer interrupting, just - is there any key i'm missing to elensefar, or i'm just too bad?)
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20100623 16:10:36< Hulavuta> uh wut
20100623 16:10:41< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: This is actually the first hypothetical I've seen, usually it's just a report of an actual case. They do exist. You report them on the forums.
20100623 16:10:50< Aethaeryn> They just don't go guns blazing with a lawyer.
20100623 16:11:01< Aethaeryn> I suppose if the guy was making money and didn't cease, they'd sue.
20100623 16:11:06< Aethaeryn> But I can't see another situation
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20100623 16:12:30< Hulavuta> Does anyone have the answer to mrDuck's question?
20100623 16:16:33< mrDuck> well i guess not, 'cept this forum thread http://tinyurl.com/33fr6uw ;( banging my head on it for quite some hours now -_-
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20100623 16:18:36< e_s-iOS> mrDuck: Are you having trouble with SoE?
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20100623 16:21:10< mrDuck> yep, basically i have no clue about how to do it :) Going there with about 8 level2 units, and i struggle to kill even the orcish leader :-( I'm a newbie though, found the game yesterday, but spent like 6 hours on this level anyway ;)
20100623 16:21:35< e_s-iOS> Did you start with HttT right off the tutorial?
20100623 16:21:42< e_s-iOS> Hmm
20100623 16:21:59< e_s-iOS> I would have started with A Tale of Two Brothers or 
20100623 16:22:05< e_s-iOS> The South Guard
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20100623 16:22:17< e_s-iOS> But if you want tips for SoE...
20100623 16:23:02< e_s-iOS> Which option di
20100623 16:23:19< e_s-iOS> Did* you accept from the thieves?
20100623 16:24:07< Hulavuta> The Thieves don't betray you, if you were worried about that
20100623 16:24:13< mrDuck> played the Tale of Two brothers and South guard already, not sure if it was on the same difficulty though
20100623 16:24:57< elvish_sovereign> are you doing HttT on Medium?
20100623 16:24:59< mrDuck> Well, i tried both letting them come after signal, and the other option, whoch seemed to work a little bit better, but still my "main" characters are getting pretty much destroyed
20100623 16:25:03< elvish_sovereign> well anyways
20100623 16:25:33< elvish_sovereign> There are two places to hold them off
20100623 16:25:57< elvish_sovereign> Either at the forest (so let them invade the southern area)
20100623 16:26:05< elvish_sovereign> or at the river line
20100623 16:27:14< elvish_sovereign> recruit a good number of lvl 1's to use as cannon fodder
20100623 16:27:24< mrDuck> Guess I'll try the forest then, i kept the fight around the river 'till now
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20100623 16:28:16< elvish_sovereign> recruiting some shamans would be good
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20100623 16:28:55< elvish_sovereign> to slow the orcish warriors
20100623 16:30:13< mrDuck> okay, thanks! Got one white mage and a Druid for some healing, didn't think of the snare though. 
20100623 16:30:17< elvish_sovereign> if you still have trouble, here's a replay of the scenario when I played it earlier
20100623 16:30:19< elvish_sovereign> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=417243#p417243
20100623 16:30:29< elvish_sovereign> I need to go now
20100623 16:31:40< mrDuck> thanks a lot, i'll try once more and then will take a look )
20100623 16:32:50< elias> i think i made a line at the river first then quickly killed the blue leader
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20100623 16:33:08< elias> then put everyone into his castle and let the green ones come
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20100623 16:33:30< elias> i'm really bad player though, re-loaded about 100 times in elensefar :P
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20100623 16:33:59< e_s-iOS> Hmmm
20100623 16:34:03< mrDuck> good, i did only like 100 i guess )
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20100623 16:36:09< Unnheulu> Valkier, why not do the lvl 3's? :P
20100623 16:36:25< Hulavuta> I think I did pretty well in Elensefar
20100623 16:36:41< Hulavuta> I had an Elvish Sorceress and I had leveled Konrad to 3
20100623 16:36:46< Hulavuta> So that might be part of it.
20100623 16:37:28< e_s-iOS> I'm gonna post kickass replays soon on the forums
20100623 16:37:45< e_s-iOS> And it has SoE in it.
20100623 16:37:49< mrDuck> well my konrad is 3 as well, somewhat he seems not to be able to solo it though )
20100623 16:38:22< Aethaeryn> :o
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20100623 16:38:50< Hulavuta> Well I used him for leadership
20100623 16:39:01< Hulavuta> And if i'm not mistaken, there are Undead in that level right?
20100623 16:39:08< e_s-iOS> Yuup
20100623 16:39:23< elias> oh, if you play on ipad, make sure you don't lose delfador at the end of the scenario
20100623 16:39:26< Hulavuta> Yeah, I had a sorceress, which could kill about one enemy for turn
20100623 16:39:28< elias> or you won't be able to finish the campaign :/
20100623 16:39:37< mrDuck> can there be a higher level, btw? Think i levelled one in another scenario and thought it stayed 3, not sure though
20100623 16:39:47< Hulavuta> Sorceress?
20100623 16:40:10< e_s-iOS> Sorceresses go to lvl 4
20100623 16:40:14< Hulavuta> Yeah
20100623 16:40:15< Hulavuta> I know
20100623 16:40:28< e_s-iOS> I was talking to mrDuck 
20100623 16:40:31< Hulavuta> But one: I don't like the lvl 4, it's so ugly. 2: I hadn't gotten it that far yet
20100623 16:41:11< e_s-iOS> Well I think they're working on a new sprite
20100623 16:41:24< Hulavuta> Probably not
20100623 16:41:26< e_s-iOS> And have you never played LoW?
20100623 16:41:29< mrDuck> Oh thanks, is there some summary of those basic informations? Searched some, found out about abilities and such, but other than that i have pretty much no clue, do i don't wanna annoy with basic questions i'm supposed to know already )
20100623 16:41:48< e_s-iOS> Help
20100623 16:42:19< e_s-iOS> Or scroll over a unit and press 'd'
20100623 16:43:38< e_s-iOS> Or http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Play 
20100623 16:45:25< mrDuck> oh there, seen something in help before, but found what i was looking for now, thanks a lot, and sorry about those questions )
20100623 16:46:38< Espreon> Hulavuta: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=437166#p437166 ... Seriously?
20100623 16:47:14< e_s-iOS> :D
20100623 16:47:24< Espreon> How could one mistake Zilla for Godzilla?
20100623 16:48:21< Hulavuta> Check the logs
20100623 16:48:34< Hulavuta> Check yesterday's log
20100623 16:48:47< Hulavuta> Where I point out that it was Zilla, not Godzilla
20100623 16:48:54< Hulavuta> I just didn't change the post
20100623 16:48:57< Espreon> Oh, then you are forgiven.
20100623 16:49:06< Espreon> ... but, you should still edit the post.
20100623 16:49:07< Hulavuta> :-D
20100623 16:49:09< Hulavuta> Ok
20100623 16:49:10< Hulavuta> I will
20100623 16:49:39< Hulavuta> Done
20100623 16:50:02 * Espreon wishes that Giant Condor/Condra/whatever got its own movie...
20100623 16:51:20< Gambit> Granted, but it only comes out on blu-ray and it's awful.
20100623 16:51:47< Espreon> Who even buys Blu-Ray discs?
20100623 16:51:57< Gambit> PS3 owners? I dunno...
20100623 16:52:13< Gambit> I definitly wouldn't buy a blu ray player or drive for my pc.
20100623 16:52:51< Gambit> Actually, looking again, the prices aren't very bad anymore...
20100623 16:52:54< Espreon> Hulavuta: Do you think that Giant Condor/Condra/whatever should get its own movie? LOL.
20100623 16:53:11< Hulavuta> Nah
20100623 16:53:38< Espreon> But... lulz factor...
20100623 16:53:51< Hulavuta> Varan needs his own movie
20100623 16:54:05< Espreon> ... and the next Godzilla movie's gonna suck, for it's gonna be made by... Americans...
20100623 16:54:31< Hulavuta> 1998 one was good...
20100623 16:55:12< Espreon> Noöne cares about Zilla...
20100623 16:55:23< Espreon> ... besides, wasn't Zilla created by Frenchies or something?
20100623 16:56:10< Hulavuta> Yes
20100623 16:56:17< Hulavuta> Because they were crazy nucular
20100623 16:56:22< Hulavuta> \georgebush
20100623 16:56:46< Espreon> Also, Varan does have his own movie.
20100623 16:56:58< Hulavuta> Oh yeah
20100623 16:57:03< Hulavuta> He needs another one
20100623 16:57:50< Gambit> A new CIA report shows that Al-Qaeda is still a thing.
20100623 16:58:33 * Espreon wishes to see "Frankenstein Conquers the World"...
20100623 16:58:53< Gambit> Granted but you only catch the last 15 minutes.
20100623 16:59:14< Espreon> Gambit: I'm not in the mood for your crap.
20100623 17:00:28< Hulavuta> lol
20100623 17:00:45< Espreon> OK, but what about newclear weapons?
20100623 17:00:47< Espreon> \palin
20100623 17:02:37< Espreon> Damn it, I can't get the Englisc logo to look right.
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20100623 17:30:52< Espreon> Hulavuta: No, no, other countries call it soccer (I read your edit).
20100623 17:37:46< Hulavuta> America calls it soccer and everywhere else calls it Football...right?
20100623 17:38:54< Ivanovic> basically
20100623 17:39:19< Valkier> Because America is right no matter the question.
20100623 17:40:46< Hulavuta> Lol
20100623 17:43:29< Espreon> Hulavuta: Not everywhere else, just most. Not that I care.
20100623 17:43:56< Hulavuta> ok
20100623 17:44:55< Espreon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Soccer_football.png
20100623 17:46:44< Hulavuta> What happen to South America?
20100623 17:46:59< Hulavuta> What the hell is grey supposed to mean?
20100623 17:48:18< Espreon> Uh, this applies to the Anglophone.
20100623 17:56:05< ancestral> Heh
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20100623 18:13:15< Hulavuta> What does WIP mean?>
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20100623 18:16:43< Gambit> ask a question und then poof
20100623 18:17:06< elias> wasn't there a bot who knows these things
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20100623 18:17:10< elias> shkadibot, WIP
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20100623 18:17:14< elias> wasbot, WIP
20100623 18:18:38< Gambit> shikadibot: WIP?
20100623 18:18:38< shikadibot> WIP: work in progress
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20100623 18:35:08< Lastmerlin> hello
20100623 18:35:20< Lastmerlin> i heard, you were working on a new networking system using boost::asio
20100623 18:35:41< Lastmerlin> can you give me a hint which subdir / which files I need if i want to have a look at it ?
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20100623 18:38:23< Lastmerlin> found it, its in ana :)
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20100623 19:58:04< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu!
20100623 19:58:14< Unnheulu> e_s-iOS!
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20100623 20:16:39< Unnheulu> Ooh shiny
20100623 20:16:44< Unnheulu> A new pyweek coming up
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20100623 20:18:01< Unnheulu> Heya e_s-iOS
20100623 20:18:07< e_s-iOS> Hi
20100623 20:18:08< Unnheulu> You on your iPod or something?
20100623 20:18:18< e_s-iOS> well, iPad, exactly
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20100623 20:23:10< e_s-iOS> Anyways what have you been up to?
20100623 20:24:00< Unnheulu> Bah
20100623 20:24:06< Unnheulu> Oversized iPod you mean>
20100623 20:24:10< Unnheulu> Revising and coding
20100623 20:24:25< e_s-iOS> Well, yeah :)
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20100623 20:30:39< elias> i wonder when ipad gets ios4
20100623 20:30:51< elias> right now using irc on it is a bit stupid... without multitasking... :P
20100623 20:31:02< e_s-iOS> Then i can get multitasking!!!
20100623 20:31:11< e_s-iOS> Yes!!!
20100623 20:31:57< elias> the other thing missing is a better wesnoth port
20100623 20:32:11< e_s-iOS> Yeah, I agree
20100623 20:32:26< e_s-iOS> The UI still isn't really optimized for iOS
20100623 20:32:45< e_s-iOS> But then again, I'm no coder so I don't really have a say
20100623 20:33:00< elias> the UI seems to work good enough, but too many feature are missing
20100623 20:33:05< elias> like, seeing possible enemy moves
20100623 20:33:11< elias> and also, i want version 1.8 and not 1.6
20100623 20:33:29< e_s-iOS> Kyle's working on 1.8 I think
20100623 20:34:26< Unnheulu> elias, what did you code into wesnoth?
20100623 20:34:31< Unnheulu> I didn't know you knew C++ :P
20100623 20:35:16< elias> Unnheulu: i only maintained the python AI thing someone else added, until it was removed again
20100623 20:35:42< Unnheulu> :(
20100623 20:35:47< Unnheulu> Why was python removed?
20100623 20:36:59< elias> it was the wrong choice
20100623 20:37:23< elias> wesnoth campaigns are distributed over the addon server
20100623 20:37:40< elias> so any code in it must be secure
20100623 20:37:48< elias> that's not possible with CPython
20100623 20:38:21< Unnheulu> Not at all?
20100623 20:38:28< elias> yeah
20100623 20:38:49< Unnheulu> Can't you just like allow the math module or something?
20100623 20:38:53< elias> it's not a problem for game scripting, but it's a problem for user content scripting
20100623 20:39:04< elias> apparently not
20100623 20:39:16< elias> since the math module might include the sys module
20100623 20:39:26< elias> then you can do math.sys.rm -rf /
20100623 20:39:38< Unnheulu> Isn't that in the os module?
20100623 20:39:41< elias> :P
20100623 20:40:15< Unnheulu> os.unlink(os.path.join(os.expanduser("~"), "../", "../")) or something
20100623 20:40:28< Unnheulu> No, that would give an error
20100623 20:40:42< elias> shutil.rmtree("/")
20100623 20:40:42< Unnheulu> for i in os.listdir(os.path.join(os.expanduser("~"), "../", "../")):
20100623 20:40:46< elias> os.system("rm -rf /")
20100623 20:40:50< Unnheulu> Meh
20100623 20:40:59< Unnheulu> rm -rf / would only work on linux though
20100623 20:41:04< elias> ah, true
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20100623 20:41:36< Unnheulu_> That was weird :/
20100623 20:42:32< Unnheulu_> Whats shutil?
20100623 20:43:15< elias> http://docs.python.org/library/shutil.html
20100623 20:44:05< Unnheulu_> Would shutil.rmtree("/") work on windows?
20100623 20:44:18< Unnheulu_> Wouldn't it have to be shutil.rmtree(os.path.join()) or something
20100623 20:44:29< elias> probably
20100623 20:44:39< Unnheulu_> Or use an the sys module to find the os and change it depending :D
20100623 20:44:46< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu_: Change your name back to Unnheulu 
20100623 20:44:58< Unnheulu_> Meeeh
20100623 20:45:00< e_s-iOS> The underscore is a pain type
20100623 20:45:12< Unnheulu_> Erm
20100623 20:45:19< e_s-iOS> Pain to*
20100623 20:45:19< Unnheulu_> How do I get nickserv to kick the ghost?
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20100623 20:45:48< Unnheulu> Meh, don't even need to pm nickserv
20100623 20:45:49< e_s-iOS> Yay
20100623 20:46:03< Unnheulu> But supposedly its /msg nickserv ghost Unnheulu or something
20100623 20:46:18< e_s-iOS> Dunno
20100623 20:46:33< e_s-iOS> Anyways, go back and talk about python is it? 
20100623 20:46:44< e_s-iOS> Sorry to interrupt
20100623 20:46:47< Unnheulu> Heh
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20100623 20:48:48< Unnheulu> You know you've done something wrong when you have 5 closing brackets :)
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20100623 21:25:47< Unnheulu> Pff
20100623 21:25:55< Unnheulu> Why can't math.ceil return an integer -.-
20100623 21:26:20< elias> in C it doesn't matter
20100623 21:26:44< sevis> What does it return?
20100623 21:27:38< Unnheulu> A float
20100623 21:27:45< Unnheulu> elias, afaik it doesn't matter
20100623 21:27:53< Unnheulu> But it just gives me an annoying error
20100623 21:32:07< elias> Unnheulu: is this c++?
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20100623 21:38:00< Unnheulu> elias, python
20100623 21:38:22< elias> how can you can an error in python :P
20100623 21:38:31< Unnheulu> Warning then :P
20100623 21:38:36< Unnheulu> How do I get an error?
20100623 21:38:36< elias> not only does it not check types...
20100623 21:38:37< elias> hm
20100623 21:38:50< Unnheulu> print 1/0
20100623 21:38:53< Unnheulu> Error :)
20100623 21:39:06< Unnheulu> It just tells me, Got float, expected int
20100623 21:39:32< sevis> Doesn't Python have casting?
20100623 21:39:33< elias> ah, i see
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20100623 21:39:42< elias> you use it as array index most liekyl
20100623 21:39:45< elias> *likely
20100623 21:39:55< Unnheulu> In a range()
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