--- Log opened Sat Jun 26 00:00:24 2010
20100626 00:00:40< VurtualRuler98> Why wesnoth though?
20100626 00:01:12< PeterPorty> ummm... cuz wesnoth is cool?
20100626 00:01:28< VurtualRuler98> Why not just #-off-topic or something
20100626 00:01:37< VurtualRuler98> Or on topic, to itself.
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20100626 00:02:15< Gambit> #wwesnoth-off-topic is #wesnoth-music
20100626 00:02:27< PeterPorty> umm... #off-topic has like 7 people... and they r douches
20100626 00:02:43< VurtualRuler98> Get an M14 and capture it or something
20100626 00:03:09< VurtualRuler98> A gun so easy to use, it's like the rebel blaster rifle from battlefront 2
20100626 00:03:09< PeterPorty> #wesnoth-off-topic OTOH is cool
20100626 00:03:20< Gambit> YES!
20100626 00:03:23< Valkier> No it isn't.
20100626 00:03:26< Valkier> Quit lying.
20100626 00:03:27< Valkier> Such a liar.
20100626 00:03:28< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: Join my Lucas Arts boycott?
20100626 00:03:30< Valkier> You sicken me.
20100626 00:03:31< Gambit> Plox?
20100626 00:03:35< VurtualRuler98> boycott? Why?
20100626 00:03:46< Gambit> Until Battlefront 3 we will buy NO product that Lucas Arts has touched.
20100626 00:03:49< Gambit> No movies, no games.
20100626 00:03:53< VurtualRuler98> no
20100626 00:03:57< Gambit> No clothing.
20100626 00:04:00< VurtualRuler98> They made the force unleashed, and force unleashed 2 will have wii motion plus
20100626 00:04:02< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: aww :(
20100626 00:04:11< Gambit> f*ck FU2.
20100626 00:04:11< VurtualRuler98> Besides, battlefront 3 will physically take time to be done
20100626 00:04:19< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: It's mostly done.
20100626 00:04:21< VurtualRuler98> mommy say no bad words right
20100626 00:04:25< Gambit> Didn't you see the leaked alpha footage?
20100626 00:04:33< VurtualRuler98> I mostly didn't care about it.
20100626 00:04:36< Valkier> The Old Republic.
20100626 00:04:39< Valkier> Bow to it.
20100626 00:04:45< Gambit> No. F that.
20100626 00:04:47< Gambit> It's not battlefront
20100626 00:04:50< VurtualRuler98> I mean, I've just played the first for a while, and then bought the second because it was a few dollars off steam.
20100626 00:04:59< Valkier> Gambit: You're right. Unlike battlefront, it will be good.
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20100626 00:05:11< Gambit> Valkier: blasphemer.
20100626 00:05:19< VurtualRuler98> Unless they like, made a new version of utapau which has multiple city parts, so we can snipe accross the map, I won't really worry about battlefront 3.
20100626 00:05:22< Gambit> It's a mumorpiga!
20100626 00:05:27< VurtualRuler98> and there's those mod tools
20100626 00:05:30< Gambit> It's star wars galaxies with slightly better graphics
20100626 00:05:32< Gambit> woopty.
20100626 00:05:36< PeterPorty>  umm... The Old Republuc looks AMAZING
20100626 00:05:41< VurtualRuler98> meaaanwhile, Portal 2
20100626 00:05:59< Valkier> Gambit: lol. You clearly know nothing and it amuses me.
20100626 00:06:19< Valkier> Continue
20100626 00:06:28< Aethaeryn> Meanwhile, Wesnoth.
20100626 00:06:32< Gambit> I know that Battlefront 2 was the greatest shooter to ever grace my ps2 or pc
20100626 00:06:41< Gambit> It beat everything past and has yet to be topped.
20100626 00:06:43< Valkier> Gambit: Not true. They made Halo for PC.
20100626 00:06:51< Valkier> Therefore it was second rate,.
20100626 00:06:52< Gambit> ^^
20100626 00:06:55< Gambit> It beat everyhting past
20100626 00:06:58< Gambit> and has yet to be topped
20100626 00:06:58< Valkier> Nope.
20100626 00:07:01< Gambit> Yes.
20100626 00:07:07< Valkier> Except for Halo, which was better.
20100626 00:07:11< Gambit> Battlefront > Halo
20100626 00:07:16< PeterPorty> Just Cause 2?
20100626 00:07:16< Valkier> Nope
20100626 00:07:22< Aethaeryn> Also, Battlefront 2 was pretty awesome.
20100626 00:07:24< Gambit> PeterPorty: Just Cause 2 is not a shooter.
20100626 00:07:31< Gambit> Battlefront > Tribes > Halo
20100626 00:07:33< PeterPorty> oh, only shooters...
20100626 00:07:40< VurtualRuler98> half-life 2
20100626 00:07:45< Gambit> PeterPorty: It's not fair to compare games outside their genres.
20100626 00:07:48< Valkier> Gambit: More like Bat-lol-front.
20100626 00:07:48< Aethaeryn> Battlefront 2 is among the few last-gen games that can stand a comparison to this-gen games.
20100626 00:07:49< VurtualRuler98> gambit hasn't played half-life 2, or any quake game
20100626 00:07:50< VurtualRuler98> I mourn.
20100626 00:07:52< PeterPorty> ummm....Call of Duty?
20100626 00:07:53< Aethaeryn> At least on a standard-def TV
20100626 00:08:01< Gambit> PeterPorty: ewww
20100626 00:08:13< PeterPorty> dunno, I don't play shooters
20100626 00:08:19< Gambit> Battlefront > Battlefield > Tribes > Halo > Call of Duty
20100626 00:08:26< VurtualRuler98> PeterPorty hasn't played any of these games
20100626 00:08:28< VurtualRuler98> I mourn for him
20100626 00:08:33< VurtualRuler98> but at least he didn't play mw2
20100626 00:08:36< Gambit> Call of Duty is... bleeeegh
20100626 00:08:51< Valkier> Halo > Dues Ex > Counter Strike > Bat-lol front
20100626 00:08:52< VurtualRuler98> Also, only some backwards zealot would rank battlefront over battlefield
20100626 00:08:54< PeterPorty> battlefront, yes, and CoD too... I once played Halo...
20100626 00:09:00< VurtualRuler98> or halo over counter-strike
20100626 00:09:03< PeterPorty> DEUS EX!!!!!
20100626 00:09:08< PeterPorty> THAT GAME PWNZ!
20100626 00:09:16 * PeterPorty is shouting
20100626 00:09:17< VurtualRuler98> I could've bought deus ex for 2.49
20100626 00:09:28< PeterPorty> I go tit for free...
20100626 00:09:30< VurtualRuler98> had it not been that very day where the only person with a credit card had left on some trip
20100626 00:09:32< PeterPorty> got it
20100626 00:09:35< PeterPorty> no tit....
20100626 00:09:35< Gambit> Consider me a backwards zealot then...
20100626 00:09:44< VurtualRuler98> Okay, then I'll destroyyyy youuuuu
20100626 00:09:44< Aethaeryn> PeterPorty: you don't play shooters?
20100626 00:09:45< Gambit> Battlefront is the greatest shooter series in the history of mankind.
20100626 00:09:48< Gambit> of all time!
20100626 00:09:51< Aethaeryn> 90% of all video games are either shooters or MMOs.
20100626 00:09:57< Gambit> s/mankind/THE UNIVERSE!
20100626 00:09:58< Aethaeryn> so to not play shooters, that's an achievement.
20100626 00:09:58< Valkier> Gambit: Well you were the one that said 360 has no open world games, so your opinion of other games is questionable at best.
20100626 00:09:59 * VurtualRuler98 shoots rockets at Gambit, bouncing them about
20100626 00:10:01< PeterPorty> Aethaeryn, no, not much
20100626 00:10:07< Aethaeryn> Even if you don't prefer them, you have to play a few of them to remain social! :o
20100626 00:10:11< Gambit> Valkier: When did I say that?
20100626 00:10:23< Gambit> I said it's impossible to make a good open world game on multiple discs.
20100626 00:10:31< Valkier> Gambit: Back when you were trying to convince me of the PS3 superior hardware omg!!!!!!111111
20100626 00:10:39< VurtualRuler98> open world doom, would come on multiple floppies
20100626 00:10:42< VurtualRuler98> clearly gambit is wrong
20100626 00:10:59< VurtualRuler98> also the PS3 is better off than the 360 but nobody cares
20100626 00:11:04< VurtualRuler98> it's why 99% of all our games look the same
20100626 00:11:06< PeterPorty> Yeaz!!1oneone!111!!!!!one!one1
20100626 00:11:09< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: Never played Doom.
20100626 00:11:13< Gambit> You could revisit any level?
20100626 00:11:19< VurtualRuler98> if you wanted to amke it that way
20100626 00:11:21< VurtualRuler98> it's moddable.
20100626 00:11:23< Gambit> Multiple ways around?
20100626 00:11:23< Valkier> Gambit: You never played Doom and you dare to discuss FPS?!
20100626 00:11:24< Valkier> GTFO
20100626 00:11:25< Valkier> GO
20100626 00:11:26< Valkier> NO
20100626 00:11:28< Valkier> NOW*
20100626 00:11:29< Valkier> LEAVE
20100626 00:11:36< PeterPorty> I've never played doom either...
20100626 00:11:37< VurtualRuler98> just, devs on PC go "Oh hey, I can increase fog distance and up the resolution! Wheee!"
20100626 00:11:41< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: that's not open world.
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20100626 00:11:55< Gambit> "if you want to make it that way it's moddable"
20100626 00:12:00< VurtualRuler98> It can exist.
20100626 00:12:03< Valkier> I vote we never listen to Gambit talk about FPSs till he plays Doom.
20100626 00:12:08< Valkier> Cause he's just a poser otherwise.
20100626 00:12:08< VurtualRuler98> had I the time I'd go make open world doom
20100626 00:12:12< Valkier> Can't hang with a true pimp.
20100626 00:12:20< VurtualRuler98> then valve comes along and sierra got scared and told them they were moving to their distrubtion system called steam
20100626 00:12:26< VurtualRuler98> and HDR was born, and people had fun
20100626 00:13:14 * Gambit doubts doom will even still run...
20100626 00:13:26< Gambit> The earliest "shooter" I own is Dark Forces 2
20100626 00:13:32< Gambit> Loads of fun.
20100626 00:13:41< VurtualRuler98> doom has source ports
20100626 00:13:49< VurtualRuler98> so it will literally run on anything
20100626 00:14:25< VurtualRuler98> Doom for DOS, MS-DOS, every last version of every linux distro, very version of windows(ME, 98, XP, vista, 7, 3.1), every version of macs, on the iphone, on normal phones...
20100626 00:14:34< Gambit> Actually there was this one shooter on this ancient black and white dos beast I had
20100626 00:14:38< Gambit> But I never got it running.
20100626 00:14:59< Gambit> (is what happens when you buy things at yard sales just to have them)
20100626 00:15:09< VurtualRuler98> Anyways, technically, counter-strike is the best mp shooter of all time
20100626 00:15:26< VurtualRuler98> over 90k people are playing right now, man.
20100626 00:15:36< Gambit> If you exclude Battlefront on the basis that no game could hope to live up to it and it's like comparing gods to mortals then yeah.
20100626 00:15:51< VurtualRuler98> nope
20100626 00:15:56< Gambit> (imo)
20100626 00:15:58< VurtualRuler98> battlefront 2 doesn't have that many, ever
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20100626 00:16:20< VurtualRuler98> even mw2 could only barely ursurp css alone, with CS and CSS, you have an unstoppable amount of people
20100626 00:16:41< Gambit> I'm not talking popularity.
20100626 00:16:48< sevis> After WoW, 90k doesn't sound like all that much...
20100626 00:16:49< Gambit> I'm talking fun-ness!
20100626 00:16:55< VurtualRuler98> sevis, FPS
20100626 00:17:00< sevis> None the less.
20100626 00:17:02< VurtualRuler98> also, 1,800 people playing hl2
20100626 00:17:09< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: I have no logical arguments in support of Battlefront.
20100626 00:17:15< Gambit> I just really love it.
20100626 00:17:21< VurtualRuler98> it's not that fun at all :|
20100626 00:17:25< Gambit> :o
20100626 00:17:28< Gambit> :o
20100626 00:17:30< VurtualRuler98> I might play one round, maybe, before I get bored of blasting the same one guy
20100626 00:17:31< Gambit> :O
20100626 00:17:33< Gambit> :0
20100626 00:17:41< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: You played it online ever?
20100626 00:17:51< VurtualRuler98> yep
20100626 00:17:52< VurtualRuler98> still boring
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20100626 00:17:55< VurtualRuler98> everybody dies.
20100626 00:18:02< Gambit> Not if their good.
20100626 00:18:04< Gambit> *they're
20100626 00:18:09< Gambit> Thats one thing I like about it.
20100626 00:18:09< VurtualRuler98> Everyone.
20100626 00:18:13< VurtualRuler98> I'm pretty much the very best
20100626 00:18:16< VurtualRuler98> that no one ever was
20100626 00:18:18< Gambit> The really good players can go entire rounds without dying.
20100626 00:18:38< VurtualRuler98> Generally, unless I'm trying to stand under a hostile AT-St or something, I don't die.
20100626 00:18:41< Gambit> So much health.
20100626 00:18:45< Gambit> So little weapon damage.
20100626 00:18:45< VurtualRuler98> ever.
20100626 00:18:56< VurtualRuler98> also, sniper shot=1 hit kill so you are silly
20100626 00:19:02< VurtualRuler98> and the blaster rifle does a few shots to kill
20100626 00:19:03< Gambit> No they dont :s
20100626 00:19:07< Gambit> Sniper = two hits...
20100626 00:19:11< Gambit> unless PC balance is different.
20100626 00:19:13< VurtualRuler98> headshots.
20100626 00:19:17< Gambit> Ah.
20100626 00:19:24< Gambit> Nobody really snipes online either.
20100626 00:19:28< Gambit> Everyone no scopes.
20100626 00:19:37< VurtualRuler98> only a silly console player would think that
20100626 00:19:46< VurtualRuler98> 662 people are playing half-life like... a decade after release, hmm
20100626 00:21:04< VurtualRuler98> anyways you shouldn't really even talk about FPSes if you haven't played them on the PC proper.
20100626 00:21:08< Gambit> Only a silly ocnsole player would think what?
20100626 00:21:10< Gambit> Everyone no scopes?
20100626 00:21:18< Gambit> I just meant battlefront with that comment by the way...
20100626 00:21:19< VurtualRuler98> that people have lots of health in FPSes
20100626 00:21:30< Gambit> In battlefront.
20100626 00:21:31< VurtualRuler98> no FPS has enough health to be "lots", ever.
20100626 00:21:34< VurtualRuler98> Not battlefront
20100626 00:21:36< VurtualRuler98> not battlefront in a tank
20100626 00:21:46< Gambit> Sorry I thought listing that after "reasons I love battlefront" implied that it was unique to battlefront.
20100626 00:22:12< VurtualRuler98> no FPS has "lots of health", especially not battlefront
20100626 00:22:43< Gambit> Battlefront isn't an FPS.
20100626 00:22:46< Gambit> Well not by default anyway.
20100626 00:22:49< VurtualRuler98> ...yes it is.
20100626 00:22:56< VurtualRuler98> You play it, by shooting at things, in a system primarily first person
20100626 00:23:04< Gambit> Only the bread and butter soldier class use first person.
20100626 00:23:10< Gambit> Everyone uses third person.
20100626 00:23:11< VurtualRuler98> ...I use it for everything
20100626 00:23:17< Gambit> :s
20100626 00:23:24< Gambit> But it only helps the aim on soldier...
20100626 00:23:28< VurtualRuler98> sniping.
20100626 00:23:32< VurtualRuler98> Maybe you'd not have to take two hits for everything if you'd use first person
20100626 00:23:34< Gambit> The rest of the time it just serves to cut off your behind view.
20100626 00:23:52< VurtualRuler98> maybe you kids and your joysticks could hit someone for once
20100626 00:23:54< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: Well we have reticules on console battlefront sniping third person
20100626 00:24:02< Gambit> we noscope all the time and hit a lot btw...
20100626 00:24:10< Gambit> aim assist is insane on battlefront even when its "off"
20100626 00:24:21< VurtualRuler98> We have no aim assist.
20100626 00:24:32< VurtualRuler98> and I get headshots, on everyone.
20100626 00:24:37< Gambit> Well yeah PC doesn't need aim assist.
20100626 00:24:43< Gambit> You have exact aiming with the mouse.
20100626 00:24:52< VurtualRuler98> I have exact aiming with a joystick, too.
20100626 00:25:00< VurtualRuler98> or even a d-pad
20100626 00:25:04< Gambit> At the very least joysticks need sticky reticule.
20100626 00:25:08< VurtualRuler98> nope.
20100626 00:25:23< VurtualRuler98> 'lil thumby sticks, bigger sticks for flying planes
20100626 00:25:27< VurtualRuler98> atari-sized ones
20100626 00:26:29< VurtualRuler98> Decades of aiming without silly helpers trains your reflexes, and since you have two different ways to move at once(move/strafe and looking setups especially), you can easily just twitch yourself into lining up a headshot wherever you are
20100626 00:26:34< VurtualRuler98> and when it's there, shoot, boom
20100626 00:27:19< Gambit> Yeah.
20100626 00:27:23< VurtualRuler98> It's a pretty much required tactic when you use gauss jumping in half-life, you can't correct with the mouse fast enough.
20100626 00:27:26< Gambit> Moving to aim is better than aiming to aim.
20100626 00:27:44< Gambit> Killzone 2 uses the sixaxis to help you make minute aim adjustments.
20100626 00:28:15< VurtualRuler98> anyways, while you continue to do that "lots of health" thing because you can't make any proper hits like the stormtrooper you are, I'll keep headshotting everyone with every weapon.
20100626 00:29:31< Gambit> meh stormtroopers
20100626 00:29:41< Gambit> I prefered engineer.
20100626 00:29:47< Gambit> Throwing detpacks <3
20100626 00:30:27< Gambit> And stormtroopers hit people! sometimes!
20100626 00:30:37< Gambit> I think they made like 2 kills in A New Hope's opening.
20100626 00:36:57 * elvish_sovereign needs to go practice. will see you all later.
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20100626 00:37:54< shadowmaster> Gambit: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy
20100626 00:38:23< Gambit> shadowmaster: Cool
20100626 00:39:11< Gambit> ha there's an A-Team firing trope.
20100626 00:39:20< Gambit> That's one way the new movie upset me. They killed someone.
20100626 00:39:35< Gambit> Only one person died in the original series, and it wasn't the A-Team that killed him.
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20100626 01:12:25< PeterPorty> ok, it's good that finished...
20100626 01:12:29< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: name one landmark that is close to my location.
20100626 01:12:43< PeterPorty> HOW DO I NEED TO ASK IT!?
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20100626 01:12:58< shadowmaster> ?
20100626 01:13:02< Aethaeryn> !
20100626 01:13:24< shadowmaster> I think he doesn't want to admit that he's got me in the wrong location.
20100626 01:13:35< Gambit> shadowmaster: Nah. He asked us not to highlight him.
20100626 01:13:38< Gambit> Rofl.
20100626 01:13:57< shadowmaster> oh, I didn't notice that.
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20100626 01:52:15< e_s-iOS> So Gambit (or Gambit|Laptop) what did you think of Hula's campaign?
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20100626 01:52:49< Gambit|Laptop> I only partially finished the first scenario so I'm not qualified to say.
20100626 01:53:11< Gambit|Laptop> My only impression so far has been that "we need a mainline saurian campaign darnit! They're so fun to play as."
20100626 01:53:15< e_s-iOS> Oh I had thought you had finished it while I was gone
20100626 01:53:22< e_s-iOS> Yeah
20100626 01:53:25 * Gambit|Laptop is slow
20100626 01:53:26< Gambit|Laptop> :P
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20100626 01:58:10< e_s-iOS> Yeah we really should have a saurian campaign
20100626 01:59:10< e_s-iOS> SotBE gets really fun with saurians
20100626 02:01:03< e_s-iOS> Btw, why do nagas only get 40% def on sand while saurians get 60? Aren't they both lizards?
20100626 02:02:02< Gambit|Laptop> Nagas are lizards who've lived their whole live underwater.
20100626 02:02:12< Gambit|Laptop> Saurians live in marshy swamps
20100626 02:02:21< Gambit|Laptop> and would therefore be used to the sort of surface sand gives
20100626 02:02:58< Gambit|Laptop> [/making stuff up]
20100626 02:02:59< e_s-iOS> Hmm...just checked. Naga warriors get 50% and myrmidons get 60. I guess I'm satisfied...
20100626 02:03:41< e_s-iOS> Wonder why nagas get better land movement as they level?
20100626 02:03:54< e_s-iOS> That doesn't bother me as much
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20100626 02:06:29< Blueblaze> e_s-iOS?
20100626 02:06:33< e_s-iOS> Gambit|Laptop: Do you prefer nagas or mermen?
20100626 02:06:40< e_s-iOS> Blueblaze: Yup?
20100626 02:06:47< Blueblaze> you have an iPad or iPod Touch or iPhone? lol
20100626 02:07:07< e_s-iOS> An oversized iPod Touch
20100626 02:07:11< e_s-iOS> :P
20100626 02:07:13< Blueblaze> ah
20100626 02:07:15< Blueblaze> I want one 
20100626 02:07:20< Blueblaze> I have an iPhone
20100626 02:07:26< e_s-iOS> Nice
20100626 02:07:38< e_s-iOS> I got mine for my birthday
20100626 02:08:07< Blueblaze> coo
20100626 02:08:08< Gambit|Laptop> e_s-iOS: Mermen
20100626 02:08:08< Blueblaze> cool
20100626 02:08:13< Gambit|Laptop> They have more.
20100626 02:08:17 * Gambit|Laptop is a collectionist.
20100626 02:08:38< e_s-iOS> Blueblaze: Are you upgrading to iPhone 4?
20100626 02:08:44< Blueblaze> nah
20100626 02:08:53< Blueblaze> I got my iPhone exactly a year ago
20100626 02:08:54< Blueblaze> otherwise I would
20100626 02:09:10< e_s-iOS> Oh, I so want one
20100626 02:09:23< e_s-iOS> But that's wishful thinking
20100626 02:09:43< Blueblaze> same, but the good thing is I own an iPhone 3GS meaning I get all the same upgrades to the OS
20100626 02:09:49< Blueblaze> I just don't get the hardware upgrades 
20100626 02:10:07< e_s-iOS> Gambit|Laptop: What do you collect? Lol
20100626 02:10:27< Blueblaze> seashells
20100626 02:10:29< Gambit|Laptop> Level ups.
20100626 02:10:34< Gambit|Laptop> Trophies
20100626 02:10:36< Gambit|Laptop> Unlockables
20100626 02:10:42< e_s-iOS> Yup, i hope the iPad updates comes soon
20100626 02:10:53< e_s-iOS> Multitasking FTW
20100626 02:11:21< e_s-iOS> Gambit|Laptop: You know youre like one of my favorite persons here?
20100626 02:11:24< Blueblaze> iPad doesn't have OS4 yet?
20100626 02:11:29< e_s-iOS> Nope
20100626 02:11:35< e_s-iOS> Still 3.2
20100626 02:11:38< Gambit|Laptop> e_s-iOS:  By having more advancements, mermen play on the "must unlock everything" part of people's personalities.
20100626 02:11:50< Gambit|Laptop> e_s-iOS: :s I don't know what to say...
20100626 02:11:56< Blueblaze> ah oikay
20100626 02:11:58< Blueblaze> yeah it's really awesome
20100626 02:12:05< Blueblaze> I think Tuesday was when they updated the iPhone
20100626 02:12:19< e_s-iOS> Gambit|Laptop: Exactly
20100626 02:13:27< Blueblaze> The upgrade is really slick
20100626 02:13:29< Blueblaze> I'm very impressed
20100626 02:13:41< Blueblaze> and the multitasking doesn't consume any noticable amount of extra battery life
20100626 02:13:42< e_s-iOS> Agreed
20100626 02:14:45< e_s-iOS> That will make colloquy for iOS much better
20100626 02:15:09< e_s-iOS> So everytime you quitnout of the app you dont disconnect
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20100626 02:20:24< Blueblaze> exactly
20100626 02:20:34< Blueblaze> I know someone who has an iPhone 4 and Colloquy :P
20100626 02:20:43 * Blueblaze needs to buy colloquy  :z
20100626 02:20:45< e_s-iOS> ancestral
20100626 02:21:05< Blueblaze> yes
20100626 02:21:06< e_s-iOS> Right?
20100626 02:21:07< Blueblaze> lol
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20100626 02:59:28< Zerovirus> I'm back :D
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20100626 02:59:38< elvish_sovereign> yay!
20100626 03:00:42< Gambit> Zerovirus: HUZZAH
20100626 03:00:47< Zerovirus> :D
20100626 03:01:03< Zerovirus> On my way back I watched an old lady play Wesnoth on iPad
20100626 03:01:06< Zerovirus> So gratifying
20100626 03:01:11< Gambit> Zerovirus: Espreon was dying without you.
20100626 03:01:15< Zerovirus> I know
20100626 03:01:20< Zerovirus> I messaged him about 20 hours ago
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20100626 03:01:49< Zerovirus> Now I have like 200 webcomic pages to catch up with :P
20100626 03:02:01-!- Gambit is now known as Elvish_gambit
20100626 03:03:07< Zerovirus> My parents don't really want me spending hours in front of my computer atm though
20100626 03:03:14< Zerovirus> They expect me to spend at least a few days in rest.
20100626 03:03:15< Zerovirus> Boring.
20100626 03:03:20< elvish_sovereign> :)
20100626 03:03:26< Elvish_gambit> Computers == rest
20100626 03:03:29< elvish_sovereign> well its great you're back
20100626 03:03:56-!- Elvish_gambit is now known as Gambit
20100626 03:04:11< Zerovirus> You guys have no idea how much I missed Wesnoth
20100626 03:04:17< shadowm_laptop> hi Zerovirus !
20100626 03:04:20< Zerovirus> I even had a freaking dream about Wesnoth on my vacation :P
20100626 03:04:41< Gambit> Zerovirus: artistic inspiration I hope
20100626 03:04:47< Zerovirus> No hahaha
20100626 03:04:51< Zerovirus> Ask SM about it
20100626 03:04:53< Zerovirus> or Espreon
20100626 03:04:54< Gambit> :P
20100626 03:04:55< shadowm_laptop> I'm afk
20100626 03:05:00< Gambit> lies
20100626 03:05:08< shadowm_laptop> I'm busy coding
20100626 03:05:12< shadowm_laptop> better?
20100626 03:05:46< Zerovirus> I'm not busy at all
20100626 03:05:55< Zerovirus> But then I just got back from 20 hours of flying
20100626 03:08:42< elvish_sovereign> well anyone wanna do MP?
20100626 03:11:01< Zerovirus> Oooh oooh me
20100626 03:11:07< Zerovirus> I've been Wesdeprived for way too long
20100626 03:11:16< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100626 03:11:24< elvish_sovereign> you create or me?
20100626 03:11:37< Zerovirus> Wait, does MP still work with 1.8.1?
20100626 03:11:42< Zerovirus> I haven't had time to get 1.8.2
20100626 03:11:51< elvish_sovereign> you can use the 1.6 lobby interface
20100626 03:12:03< elvish_sovereign> should work
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20100626 04:39:18< Hulavuta> I have a question
20100626 04:39:25< elvish_sovereign> whee
20100626 04:40:01< Hulavuta> Is there a way to put something in the taskbar that lets me automatically open up #wesnoth?
20100626 04:43:00< Zerovirus> Yes I think
20100626 04:43:15< Hulavuta> Can tell 
20100626 04:43:17< Zerovirus> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=wesnoth
20100626 04:43:40< Hulavuta> I mean using Pidgin
20100626 04:43:47< Hulavuta> NVm I'll look it up on the Pidgin site
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20100626 04:48:15< elvish_sovereign> i have a question, how do you quote people on irc?
20100626 04:48:46< shadowm_laptop> however you prefer
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20100626 04:50:16< Hulavuta> lol
20100626 04:50:24< Zerovirus> copypaste
20100626 04:50:33< shadowm_laptop> but don't paste more than one line
20100626 04:50:35< elvish_sovereign> can't do that on colloquy
20100626 04:51:37< elvish_sovereign> great, so i need to re-type?
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20100626 04:51:55< shadowm_laptop> I have no idea why copy/paste doesn't work for you.
20100626 04:52:13< shadowm_laptop> any decent client should allow to do that.
20100626 04:52:20< elvish_sovereign> shadowm_laptop:
20100626 04:52:20< elvish_sovereign> I have no idea why copy/paste doesn't work for you.
20100626 04:52:21< Hulavuta> shadowm_laptop: (10:40:00 PM) Hulavuta: Is there a way to put something in the taskbar that lets me automatically open up #wesnoth?
20100626 04:52:40< elvish_sovereign> tried it, pasted it one two lines
20100626 04:52:59< elvish_sovereign> argh
20100626 04:53:01< shadowm_laptop> maybe your client has an option to make nicknames appear in the same line as the content?
20100626 04:53:28< shadowm_laptop> I didn't know there were clients in which that wasn't the case
20100626 04:53:37< shadowm_laptop> 22:52:59 <elvish_sovereign> argh
20100626 04:53:38< shadowm_laptop> :p
20100626 04:53:54< elvish_sovereign> not seeing anything
20100626 04:53:59< elvish_sovereign> any mac users here?
20100626 04:54:27< shadowm_laptop> but lines displayed as "Nick: text" can result confusing since that's also the way you address people
20100626 04:54:37< shadowm_laptop> as in, shikadibot: hi
20100626 04:54:45< elvish_sovereign> i type it out
20100626 04:54:56< elvish_sovereign> well, i dunno
20100626 04:55:16< Aethaeryn> elvish_sovereign: ancestral and Blueblaze are the resident mac users.
20100626 04:55:26< shadowm_laptop> also crimson_penguin 
20100626 04:55:39< elvish_sovereign> well both are here
20100626 04:56:00< elvish_sovereign> how do you quote on colloquy?
20100626 04:56:16< Aethaeryn> you would want to poke crimson_penguin 
20100626 04:56:24< elvish_sovereign> asking crimson_penguin and Blueblaze
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20100626 04:56:30< crimson_penguin> the fact is, Colloquy sucks
20100626 04:56:34< elvish_sovereign> arent we doing that now :)
20100626 04:56:35< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze uses a different client.
20100626 04:56:38< crimson_penguin> you can copy paste from it, but it doesn't work nicely
20100626 04:56:38< elvish_sovereign> oh
20100626 04:56:46< elvish_sovereign> as I said
20100626 04:57:05< shadowm_laptop> crimson_penguin: it shouldn't suck if it's a paid app in some platforms
20100626 04:57:07< crimson_penguin> just don't try selecting from the nick area, select from the text area
20100626 04:57:11< shadowm_laptop> they should have money to fix it! ;)
20100626 04:57:20< elvish_sovereign> shadowm_laptop:
20100626 04:57:21< elvish_sovereign> they should have money to fix it! ;)
20100626 04:57:28< elvish_sovereign> that's what i get whe i do that
20100626 04:57:33< crimson_penguin> shadowm_laptop: well, it hasn't been a paid app for long :P
20100626 04:57:40< crimson_penguin> ...I think
20100626 04:58:00< shadowm_laptop> if I had a Mac (???) I'd be using irssi in any case.
20100626 04:58:16< shadowm_laptop> if it doesn't work natively, then I have a remote where it runs already
20100626 04:58:21< Aethaeryn> shadowm_laptop: everyone knows that mobile app spinoffs are an excuse to neglect the desktop/laptop version
20100626 04:58:37< Aethaeryn> Wesnoth is an exception because the port is only semi-official, and not with any of the core devs
20100626 04:58:53< shadowm_laptop> you didn't detect my sarcasm.
20100626 04:58:58< shadowm_laptop> try again.
20100626 04:59:07< Aethaeryn> if irssi can run under FreeBSD, it should be able to run under Mac OS X
20100626 04:59:15< Aethaeryn> maybe you need to install a few extra dependencies or w/e
20100626 04:59:28< shadowm_laptop> # Mac OS X: fink
20100626 04:59:29< shadowm_laptop> # MacPorts users on Mac OS X may use "sudo port install irssi" to compile the irssi package.
20100626 04:59:32< shadowm_laptop> from irssi.org
20100626 05:00:00< Aethaeryn> apparently Mac OS X uses a lot of similar things
20100626 05:00:02< Hulavuta> So,
20100626 05:00:05< shadowm_laptop> I had a nightmare where I was given a netbook
20100626 05:00:06< Aethaeryn> commands, at least
20100626 05:00:31< shadowm_laptop> I woke up while I was trying to install Debian on it.
20100626 05:00:49< shadowm_laptop> last night
20100626 05:01:46< shadowm_laptop> there's only one thing that attracts me a bit to Mac OS X, and it's trying a Unixish operating system where the graphics subsystem is part of the core system
20100626 05:02:20< shadowm_laptop> but given the hardware restrictions I think I'd feel bad using such a locked-down platfom
20100626 05:02:42< Aethaeryn> MacBook Pros look like fine pieces of hardware to install Linux on
20100626 05:03:26< shadowm_laptop> reading about X.org's internal is a huge demotivator
20100626 05:03:28< shadowm_laptop> internals
20100626 05:03:36< Aethaeryn> Apple desktops seem lacking
20100626 05:04:06< Aethaeryn> Mac Pros, the only ones that don't use laptop parts, should have the lowest cost-for-power ratio, but it seems like they're the opposite.
20100626 05:04:34< Aethaeryn> The computer I built myself for $1400 is more powerful than an entry level Mac Pro that costs $1000 more.
20100626 05:04:37< shadowm_laptop> I start to feel that half of the CPU cycles are being wasted in client-to-server communication for X11 clients
20100626 05:04:53< Aethaeryn> shadowm_laptop: install powertop
20100626 05:04:54< shadowm_laptop> the fact that X11 is so old doesn't help matters
20100626 05:05:26< shadowm_laptop> it's been around since before 1990 IIRC
20100626 05:05:44< shadowm_laptop> with a crapload of extensions on top of it, with some of the newest being the DRI2 protocol
20100626 05:05:51< shadowm_laptop> and GL protocol
20100626 05:05:58< Aethaeryn> shadowm_laptop: the problem is that there's no solution
20100626 05:06:03< Aethaeryn> rewriting would be worse than keeping it as it is
20100626 05:06:03< shadowm_laptop> trying to improve performance
20100626 05:06:13< shadowm_laptop> Aethaeryn: there's an attempt at rewriting it in the works
20100626 05:06:21< shadowm_laptop> although it goes so slowly that I doubt it'll be finished before 2020
20100626 05:06:45< shadowm_laptop> right now X seems to be in the same situation as Windows 95
20100626 05:07:22< Aethaeryn> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html
20100626 05:07:23< shadowm_laptop> backwards compatibility being the demon that keeps the developers from significantly redesigning things
20100626 05:08:04< shadowm_laptop> Aethaeryn: this is not the same thing since it's not consuming time from the mainline project
20100626 05:08:33< shadowm_laptop> also this is more about reimplementing existing standards in a clean form
20100626 05:13:03< Hulavuta> It's over 9000!!!!
20100626 05:18:42< Aethaeryn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq9yj2pVWk
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20100626 05:39:08< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: I use/have colloquy
20100626 05:39:09< Blueblaze> or I have used
20100626 05:39:11< Blueblaze> I still have it too
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20100626 06:00:07< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: k
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20100626 15:34:25< Hulavuta> Whao
20100626 15:34:29< Hulavuta> Whoa
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20100626 16:13:22< e_s-iOS> Hulavuta: Got any ideas for the tournament's name?
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20100626 16:33:52< e_s-iOS> Hi
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20100626 18:47:00< Hulavuta> hi
20100626 18:47:09< elvish_sovereign> hi
20100626 18:47:57< Hulavuta> Up for MP?
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20100626 18:48:53< elvish_sovereign> okay...
20100626 18:49:02< elvish_sovereign> 1vs1 only though
20100626 18:49:14< Hulavuta> ok
20100626 18:49:35< Hulavuta> I'll host?
20100626 18:49:41< elvish_sovereign> k
20100626 18:50:13< elvish_sovereign> ready
20100626 18:50:49< Hulavuta> Do you want to do 1on1 or a survival?
20100626 18:50:56< elvish_sovereign> 1on1
20100626 18:50:58< Hulavuta> ok
20100626 18:51:05< elvish_sovereign> lets practice for the tourney :)
20100626 18:51:16< Hulavuta> Up
20100626 18:51:21< Hulavuta> Then shouldn't we do a 2on2?
20100626 18:51:31< elvish_sovereign> well i dont have time for that
20100626 18:51:37< Hulavuta> Against CP's
20100626 18:51:40< Hulavuta> It'll be fast
20100626 18:51:44< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100626 18:51:46< Hulavuta> Okay
20100626 18:51:48< Hulavuta> Let me make a new room
20100626 18:51:52< Hulavuta> What map?
20100626 18:51:59< elvish_sovereign> AI at double gold
20100626 18:52:10< Hulavuta> why so much?
20100626 18:52:10< elvish_sovereign> doesnt matter, just not isars cross
20100626 18:52:16< elvish_sovereign> so its harder
20100626 18:52:21< Hulavuta> Ok
20100626 18:52:28< elvish_sovereign> liike a human player
20100626 18:52:31< elvish_sovereign> sory of
20100626 18:52:34< elvish_sovereign> sort*
20100626 18:52:45< Hulavuta> It's up
20100626 18:52:53< elvish_sovereign> not that one
20100626 18:53:02< Hulavuta> No moritori?
20100626 18:53:12< elvish_sovereign> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=436697#p436697
20100626 18:53:15< Hulavuta> That's the only fast one I know about
20100626 18:53:23< Hulavuta> Ok
20100626 18:53:26< Hulavuta> I don't get why not though
20100626 18:53:26< elvish_sovereign> Caph wanted us to play from these
20100626 18:53:31< elvish_sovereign> try Underword
20100626 18:53:36< elvish_sovereign> Underworld*
20100626 18:53:40< Hulavuta> Yeah I was about to say that
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20100626 18:54:20< Hulavuta> Should I be Orcs?
20100626 18:54:25< elvish_sovereign> okay
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20100626 18:59:27< Hulavuta> Hi
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20100626 19:14:19< SekoIdiootti> ZEROOOOOOO!!
20100626 19:14:28< Zerovirus> Hello.
20100626 19:15:23< pyshee> hai.
20100626 19:15:34< Valkier> Yo
20100626 19:16:40< Gambit> Hola?
20100626 19:17:02< elvish_sovereign> nee-hao
20100626 19:17:27< elvish_sovereign> ahnyohasaeyo
20100626 19:17:29< Zerovirus> It's Ni, 
20100626 19:17:32< Zerovirus> not nee
20100626 19:17:35< elvish_sovereign> whatever
20100626 19:17:37< Gambit> salve
20100626 19:17:54< elvish_sovereign> zerovirus: I'm chinese too
20100626 19:18:06< Zerovirus> Why are there so many asians playing Wesnoth
20100626 19:18:06< Gambit> Espreon: salve
20100626 19:18:25< elvish_sovereign> dunno
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20100626 19:18:48< elvish_sovereign> ancestral!
20100626 19:19:28< Gambit> Zerovirus: so where doth we stand with steelhive?
20100626 19:19:32< ancestral> elvish_sovereign!
20100626 19:19:43< Gambit> Donkey!
20100626 19:19:43< Zerovirus> Man, someone needs to set up a Wesnothcon or something for players, not just devs
20100626 19:19:46< Zerovirus> Llama!
20100626 19:19:54< Zerovirus> With steelhive?
20100626 19:19:54< SekoIdiootti> Ben!
20100626 19:19:56< Zerovirus> Huh.
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20100626 19:20:02< elvish_sovereign> yeah
20100626 19:20:06< Gambit> Zerovirus: It seems to me one of us was supposed to do something...
20100626 19:20:09< Zerovirus> I've kinda shunted it away for now in favor or UtBS
20100626 19:20:19< Gambit> I just can't remember who's court the ball was in.
20100626 19:20:25< Gambit> Or where they were supposed to kick it :$
20100626 19:20:28< Zerovirus> >.> I'm pretty sure I was going to pick it up
20100626 19:20:32< Zerovirus> I'll get around to it someday
20100626 19:20:40< Zerovirus> Probably before you get back to Battlefront
20100626 19:21:06< Gambit> Yes you'll be most displeased to hear that I did not touch that at all whilst you were away.
20100626 19:21:17< Zerovirus> How about a bet?
20100626 19:21:18< SekoIdiootti> OHHH  UTBS
20100626 19:21:28< Zerovirus> Gee, you're slow on the uptake :P
20100626 19:21:42< Gambit> Except to move it to my fireproof, bulletproof, radiation proof, grandmother proof, external harddrive when I wiped my computer.
20100626 19:21:47< SekoIdiootti> I forgot you'll make UtBS thingys
20100626 19:21:58< SekoIdiootti> I can't wait to seeeeee :D
20100626 19:22:09< Zerovirus> Gambit: I'll bet a custom sprite that I'll finish Steelhive before you finish Battlefront.
20100626 19:22:17< Gambit> Its only weakness is sugar cubes.
20100626 19:22:20< Gambit> ORLY?!
20100626 19:22:29< Zerovirus> What do I get if I win though?
20100626 19:22:35< Gambit> You know if you win, my sprite will suck
20100626 19:22:47< Zerovirus> Well, it'll be for teh lolz then.
20100626 19:23:00< Zerovirus> I'm actually working on UtBS right now. Kinda.
20100626 19:23:32< Gambit> Nope the race is on!
20100626 19:23:48< Gambit> I just remembered that I did in fact touch battlefront yesterday
20100626 19:23:53< Zerovirus> Well it's not like losing is much better than winning
20100626 19:23:55< Gambit> I made a todo list for it.
20100626 19:23:58< Zerovirus> Either way we get lolz
20100626 19:24:02 * Gambit 's memory is awful.
20100626 19:25:07< Gambit> You
20100626 19:25:13< Gambit> grr shift and enter key so close
20100626 19:25:18< Gambit> You've got a huge headstart.
20100626 19:25:28< Gambit> But you don't know much WML and you're tired.
20100626 19:25:46< Gambit> Also; I have a theme song.
20100626 19:26:05< Zerovirus> Please don't link it
20100626 19:26:06< Zerovirus> :P
20100626 19:29:51< Zerovirus> I wonder if Espreon will let me show off my work on UtBS before I'm finished..
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20100626 19:31:43< SekoIdiootti> If he doesn't, he's evil
20100626 19:31:53< SekoIdiootti> ...kinda
20100626 19:34:03< Zerovirus> Eh, almost finished the Overlord.
20100626 19:34:06< Zerovirus> You hear that, Espreon?
20100626 19:34:41< SekoIdiootti> Is he here? :0
20100626 19:34:47< SekoIdiootti> oh, he is
20100626 19:34:52< SekoIdiootti> lol, I'm blind
20100626 19:35:38< Zerovirus> He's always here
20100626 19:35:41< Zerovirus> but most of the time he's not online
20100626 19:35:58< SekoIdiootti> hmmmmmmm
20100626 19:36:32< Gambit> He sees everything.
20100626 19:36:35< Gambit> So play nice.
20100626 19:36:56< Gambit> There's a snake in his boots!
20100626 19:37:05< Gambit> *boot
20100626 19:38:38< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100626 19:38:42< SekoIdiootti> I read it as boob. :O
20100626 19:39:00< Rhonda> liboob?
20100626 19:39:15< Zerovirus> Aaagh
20100626 19:39:20< Zerovirus> I want to give this guy a huge sword
20100626 19:39:27< Zerovirus> But Espreon insists on this tiny toothpick blade thing
20100626 19:39:31< Zerovirus> Seriously
20100626 19:39:46< Zerovirus> Eh, I'll make two versions I guess
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20100626 19:40:25< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100626 19:40:38< SekoIdiootti> huge blades are cool. 8)
20100626 19:40:51< SekoIdiootti> even if they're too big
20100626 19:40:52< Rhonda> This isn't Final Fantasy VII, mind you.
20100626 19:41:06< Rhonda> srsly
20100626 19:41:14< SekoIdiootti> well... huge swords are always nice
20100626 19:41:18< SekoIdiootti> in my opinion
20100626 19:41:37< SekoIdiootti> (and I wasn't really talking about Wesnoth when I said that though)
20100626 19:41:42< SekoIdiootti> if you meant Zero, ok
20100626 19:41:44< Valkier> Show me a sword that is just a sword, without destiny or magical powers, and I'll show you the most unique sword in existence.
20100626 19:42:15< SekoIdiootti> Valkier: http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/21444.jpg
20100626 19:42:16< SekoIdiootti> xD
20100626 19:42:31< Valkier> No
20100626 19:42:52< SekoIdiootti> ?
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20100626 19:43:01< Anteateringant> Hi
20100626 19:43:06< SekoIdiootti> hi
20100626 19:43:13< Zerovirus> Hey, I'm the only spriter who actually uses huge swords on a timely basis
20100626 19:43:24< Zerovirus> Nobody else has filled the niche
20100626 19:43:25< Zerovirus> so there
20100626 19:43:32< Rhonda> Valkier: http://www.exchange3d.com//images/uploads/aff465/Viking_sword_01.jpg
20100626 19:43:33< zookeeper> huge swords are for kids
20100626 19:43:54< Anteateringant> what are the rules?
20100626 19:44:01< Anteateringant> im new here D;
20100626 19:44:13< elias> the winner gets shown the most unique sword in existence
20100626 19:44:28< SekoIdiootti> lollllll I think he meant...
20100626 19:44:30< SekoIdiootti> like... here.
20100626 19:44:30< Blarumyrran> Valkier, the people are waiting
20100626 19:44:32< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100626 19:45:06< Anteateringant> ..........____
20100626 19:45:06< Anteateringant> ......(+)..... (+)
20100626 19:45:06< Anteateringant> ...../.............\
20100626 19:45:06< Anteateringant> .....\....-==-..../
20100626 19:45:06< Anteateringant> ......\.........../
20100626 19:45:06< Anteateringant> .....</\/\/\/\>
20100626 19:45:07< Anteateringant> ...../.............\
20100626 19:45:20< SekoIdiootti> wtf is that? :0
20100626 19:45:29< elias> oh, you meant the channel rules... pasting means perm ban :P
20100626 19:45:45< Anteateringant> is kermit the frog
20100626 19:46:04< Anteateringant> (elias) what you mean by pasting?
20100626 19:46:40< SekoIdiootti> like spamming
20100626 19:46:41< elias> (j/k btw.. i have no idea the channel)
20100626 19:46:44< Gambit> It's like glue, but a little thicker in consitency.
20100626 19:47:05< Gambit> Seriously thoughl; Don't past a bunch of lines. That's "flooding".
20100626 19:47:20< SekoIdiootti> Well, I've only been banned for like an hour when I once like... spammed hugely.
20100626 19:47:23< zookeeper> flooding coloured ascii art gets you banned in all civilized parts of irc
20100626 19:47:30< Gambit> And if I had to take a guess I'd say colors are bad too.
20100626 19:47:39< SekoIdiootti> zookeeper: NOOOOOO, it's not true
20100626 19:47:46< SekoIdiootti> I mean, not everywhere...
20100626 19:47:48< SekoIdiootti> but well.
20100626 19:47:55< Gambit> "in all civilized parts"
20100626 19:47:57< Gambit> SekoIdiootti: ^
20100626 19:48:00< Anteateringant> where can i set my vhost?
20100626 19:48:04< SekoIdiootti> I think those places are then not civilized... .....................:S
20100626 19:49:38< Anteateringant> goodbye
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20100626 19:50:15< SekoIdiootti> wait. Doesn't civilized mean something where people live.
20100626 19:50:17< SekoIdiootti> ?
20100626 19:50:34< Gambit> Zerovirus: checker out: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/nacCp5ir
20100626 19:50:37< Gambit> One thing down!
20100626 19:50:38< Gambit> woo
20100626 19:50:49< Gambit> SekoIdiootti: cannibals can live places.
20100626 19:50:56< Blarumyrran> ...goshdarn
20100626 19:51:00< Blarumyrran> I was about to mention cannibals
20100626 19:51:03< Gambit> But I wouldn't call those places civilized.
20100626 19:51:07< Blarumyrran> great minds think alike.
20100626 19:51:14< Gambit> (not necessarily anyways)
20100626 19:51:17< SekoIdiootti> but cannibals are humans.
20100626 19:51:36< SekoIdiootti> if they weren't, they weren't cannibals
20100626 19:51:41< Zerovirus> What the heck does Tactician do?
20100626 19:51:50< Zerovirus> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26185&p=438030#p438030
20100626 19:52:07< Rhonda> Hmm, too late for the kick.
20100626 19:52:15< Gambit> SekoIdiootti: civilized != colonized != habitated
20100626 19:52:18< Rhonda> But I like people leaving on their own. :)
20100626 19:52:32< Gambit> Zerovirus: He places mobile spawn points.
20100626 19:52:57< Gambit> Very useful for anti spawn-camping or getting closer to the action if the action is taking place away from any of your command posts.
20100626 19:53:24< Zerovirus> But will he be a fun class to play?
20100626 19:53:28< Gambit> He can also give the AI controlled robotic turrets specific coordinates to concentrate on.
20100626 19:53:38< Gambit> vs the robots just flying around randomly looking for things to shoot
20100626 19:54:16< Blarumyrran> Zerovirus, Iäm not sure if itäs unintentional, but the armor on the dismounted guy looks like a random mess of curvy red lines instead of like, armor
20100626 19:54:30< Blarumyrran> I'm*  it's*
20100626 19:54:41< Zerovirus> Yeah, I have to work on cleaning it up
20100626 19:54:44< Zerovirus> and showing 3d form
20100626 19:55:22< Zerovirus> (Maybe I tried compressing in too many detail-armorplate things?)
20100626 19:55:55< Blarumyrran> Yep
20100626 19:56:06< Gambit> Zerovirus: his sword: http://www.lordoftheringswords.com/uruk-hai-scimitar.html
20100626 19:56:15< Gambit> but bigger
20100626 19:56:36< Zerovirus> Yeah, that's one of the possibilities
20100626 19:56:41< Zerovirus> though I probably won't go for that one in the end
20100626 19:56:45< Gambit> Like a foot thick and 5 feet long.
20100626 19:58:48< Zerovirus> Well, let's see if I can't clean up the armor a bit.
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20100626 20:00:08< Gambit> There was this one character in star wars who had a half foot thick lightsaber
20100626 20:00:10< Gambit> he was awesome.
20100626 20:00:33< Gambit> quite scary to fight too
20100626 20:00:35< Zerovirus> Sounds like a lightspatula, not a saber
20100626 20:00:43< Zerovirus> I never understood why they didn't make lightshields
20100626 20:00:50< Zerovirus> Like lightsabers but wide
20100626 20:00:51< Zerovirus> really wide
20100626 20:00:56< Zerovirus> Run into an enemy and disintegrate then
20100626 20:00:59< Zerovirus> *them
20100626 20:01:00< Blarumyrran> weird that you should mention that
20100626 20:01:30< Gambit> Zerovirus: According the the great chronology, they were lucky just to figure out how to make lightsabers.
20100626 20:01:52< Zerovirus> Well make a bunch of lightsabers in a flat line
20100626 20:01:55< Gambit> At first they wouldn't stop (like a laser)
20100626 20:01:55< Zerovirus> Like a lightaccordion
20100626 20:02:05< Zerovirus> and it'll form its own shield that way
20100626 20:02:20< Zerovirus> Heck, cover a star destroyer in Lightsavers and ram it into a planet
20100626 20:02:30< Gambit> Fruity goodness.
20100626 20:02:33< Zerovirus> >.<
20100626 20:03:25< Gambit> Lightsavers = diet lifesaver
20100626 20:04:07< Blarumyrran> http://imagebin.org/102912
20100626 20:04:22< Blarumyrran> just made it this morning
20100626 20:04:24< Zerovirus> What about a machinegun that will shoot lightsabers?
20100626 20:04:48< Zerovirus> I'm not sure I understand the image...
20100626 20:05:03< Blarumyrran> it's a laser cannon
20100626 20:05:08< Blarumyrran> it shoot a laser ball
20100626 20:05:12< Blarumyrran> shoots*
20100626 20:06:09< Blarumyrran> it's slightly less ridiculous than lasersaber
20100626 20:07:07< Zerovirus> ...Right. Laser ore?
20100626 20:07:13< Gambit> Zerovirus: duh
20100626 20:07:35< Blarumyrran> Yeah
20100626 20:07:35< Gambit> Zerovirus: there are large veins of laser ore in nevada
20100626 20:07:47< Gambit> you mine them with lightpickaxes
20100626 20:07:53< Zerovirus> Also, what would happen if you had an invulnerable and indestructable lightsaber that would never run out of power and would never turn off, and you dropped it blade down? Would it cut through the planet's core and stay there, disintegrating everything until the planet becomes hollow?
20100626 20:07:58< Gambit> But only if you have a level 99 mining.
20100626 20:08:02< Blarumyrran> Yep
20100626 20:08:13< Gambit> Zerovirus: WAIT HOLD THAT THOUGHT
20100626 20:08:17< Zerovirus> Oh god.
20100626 20:08:32< sevis> Zerovirus: Don't forget it would have inertia, so it'd go further than the centre, and then fall back.
20100626 20:08:40< Zerovirus> What insane thoughts have I concocted in you, Gambit?
20100626 20:08:49< Zerovirus> So we'd have a 3d spirograph made by lightsaber disintegration?
20100626 20:11:47< Gambit> grrr I can't find it
20100626 20:12:40< Gambit> Zerovirus: okay: http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/jedi-butter-fingers.html
20100626 20:13:01< Zerovirus> I hope that this isn't going to be really stpid.
20100626 20:13:38< Zerovirus> Well that was short and concise
20100626 20:14:10< Gambit> :D
20100626 20:14:44< Gambit> Also lightsabers are put out in water.
20100626 20:14:52< Gambit> So if it hit water it would turn off.
20100626 20:15:00< Gambit> If it hit magma it would melt.
20100626 20:15:21< Gambit> The blade may be indestructable but the stuff in the handle is not.
20100626 20:17:21< Gambit> Zerovirus: see also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBPXdhd5B8Y
20100626 20:18:06< Gambit> and my own personal favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOaROFFhpL4
20100626 20:18:28< Gambit> ^that one is the best
20100626 20:19:05< Zerovirus> Riiiight.
20100626 20:21:09< Gambit> There's also a good one for "storm trooper's take your daughter to work day"
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20100626 20:23:30< Zerovirus> WHOA I JUST FIGURED OUT A RECIPE FOR AN INSTANT JEDI
20100626 20:23:35< Gambit> Your tongues can't repel flavor of that magnitude!
20100626 20:24:48< Zerovirus> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Cat_toast_swirl.gif
20100626 20:24:58< Zerovirus> I make the addendum of adding a lightsaber to the back
20100626 20:25:01< Zerovirus> Or multiple lightsabers
20100626 20:25:05< Zerovirus> For max spin power
20100626 20:25:20< Zerovirus> (preferably the lightsabers are remote-controlled for ease of batteries change)
20100626 20:25:44< Zerovirus> further resources: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Buttered-Cat_Engine
20100626 20:26:10< Zerovirus> As you can see, this combination creates an ingenious replacement for Jedi without the hassle of training orphaned children.
20100626 20:26:23< Zerovirus> And it's cheaper to train and field as well!
20100626 20:27:11< SekoIdiootti> lol
20100626 20:27:17< Zerovirus> Possibly, one can utilize the cat's weightlessness to use large cannons to directly accelerate the deadly felines into high speeds while still spinning. In the middle of this, the lightsabers are turned on, creating a deadly cat bullet jedi.
20100626 20:27:23< pyshee> cat.
20100626 20:27:27< Zerovirus> The implications are enormous.
20100626 20:28:01< SekoIdiootti> xD
20100626 20:28:20< Blarumyrran> Are there cats in star wars though?
20100626 20:28:25< Blarumyrran> I don't remember any cats from star wars
20100626 20:28:29< Zerovirus> ...Uh.
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20100626 20:28:37< Zerovirus> GENERIC GENETIC ENGINEERING
20100626 20:28:41< Zerovirus> PLUS INVASIVE SURGERY
20100626 20:28:42< Blarumyrran> Toasts neither
20100626 20:28:43< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Nexu would work as a substitute.
20100626 20:28:51< Zerovirus> Oh god I can see it
20100626 20:28:54< Gambit> No toast though.
20100626 20:28:55< Gambit> :o
20100626 20:29:07< Zerovirus> Oh dear.
20100626 20:32:38< Zerovirus> Well, we can glue two cats together and use restraining harnesses to prevent both from landing at the same time.
20100626 20:32:45< Zerovirus> Or nexu. Whatever.
20100626 20:32:56< Zerovirus> It'd be easier to do this with toast, but apparently SW has no toast.
20100626 20:34:19< Gambit> There was this youtube video where a guy tried to disprove the cat toast antigravitational effect thinger
20100626 20:34:24< pyshee> cat
20100626 20:34:36< Gambit> All of the comments though told him that it wasn't toasted enough :P
20100626 20:35:23< Gambit> And he bit right into the trolling.
20100626 20:35:27< Gambit> Made another video with burnt toast
20100626 20:35:31< Gambit> "no that's too dark!"
20100626 20:35:39< Zerovirus> Yes we are talking about cats
20100626 20:36:03< Zerovirus> So what, a scientific measurement of toast spectrum as compared to effectiveness of antigravity device?
20100626 20:36:28< Gambit> Zerovirus: yes I think that is needed.
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20100626 20:36:48< Gambit> You should cite the videos :P
20100626 20:37:14< Zerovirus> I'm thinking about a double-buttered side toast-lightsaber attack drone.
20100626 20:40:42< PeterPorty> Gambit: you ruined my life...
20100626 20:40:56< Gambit> Again?
20100626 20:41:11< PeterPorty> the damn book
20100626 20:41:27< PeterPorty> it sucks... but I can't stop reading....
20100626 20:41:51< Zerovirus> What book?
20100626 20:42:00< PeterPorty> THE book
20100626 20:42:33< Gambit> The only book.
20100626 20:42:36< PeterPorty> Ender's Game...
20100626 20:42:48< PeterPorty> it sucks... it is childish, but I can't stop...
20100626 20:42:56< Gambit> ch...
20100626 20:42:58< Gambit> ch...
20100626 20:43:01< Gambit> PeterPorty: oh you wait
20100626 20:43:06< Zerovirus> I personally enjoyed that book quite a bit
20100626 20:43:12< Gambit> You will see.
20100626 20:43:15< Zerovirus> The childishness is part of what makes it fun
20100626 20:43:22< PeterPorty> um....
20100626 20:43:25< Gambit> There is no childishness...
20100626 20:43:34< Zerovirus> Also, since when has "Artillery" been a choice? I thought it was just Ranged and Melee.
20100626 20:44:02< Gambit> PeterPorty: And after this you should hop over to the shadow series
20100626 20:44:05< PeterPorty> I actually thought it would be a rather insightful book... with... something smart to say, clever character (I did like the characters though)
20100626 20:44:13< Gambit> PeterPorty: there will be
20100626 20:44:23< Gambit> the sequels get very deep
20100626 20:44:26< PeterPorty> cool
20100626 20:44:28< Gambit> and the twist ending will kill you inside
20100626 20:44:35< Gambit> kill. you. inside. to. death.
20100626 20:44:48< PeterPorty> I've read about 4/7 of the book
20100626 20:45:07< PeterPorty> it's looking good...
20100626 20:45:21< Zerovirus> Can I spoil the ending for him?
20100626 20:45:27< PeterPorty> and Peter is 10 at the beggining, not 8.
20100626 20:45:29< PeterPorty> NO!
20100626 20:45:31< Zerovirus> Too bad.
20100626 20:45:35< Rhonda> YES!
20100626 20:45:37< Zerovirus> It turns out there never was a Bugger invasion
20100626 20:45:39< PeterPorty> if you do I'll get a way to kill you
20100626 20:45:46< PeterPorty> ain't reading
20100626 20:45:48< Zerovirus> And the entire thing is a conspiracy by the Polemarch to take over the Earth
20100626 20:45:57< Gambit> PeterPorty: don't let anyone spoil it for you
20100626 20:46:06< PeterPorty> I won't read
20100626 20:46:08< Zerovirus> Ender figures this out and he gets murdered.
20100626 20:46:11< Zerovirus> :D
20100626 20:46:18< PeterPorty> NO!
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20100626 20:46:21< Gambit> PeterPorty: no worries he's bullsh*ting you
20100626 20:46:22< Rhonda> YES!
20100626 20:46:25< Zerovirus> rofl
20100626 20:46:29< Zerovirus> That was so worth it
20100626 20:46:49< Gambit> Zerovirus: http://www.youtube.com/user/Cybertech44#p/u/6/R3D9WRhZcA0
20100626 20:46:53< Gambit> ^that will be your hamster
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20100626 20:46:59< Gambit> PeterPorty: He's just bsing.
20100626 20:47:05< PeterPorty> dude, plz don't do it....
20100626 20:47:13< PeterPorty> what's bsing?
20100626 20:47:17< Zerovirus> I was just making stuff up.
20100626 20:47:21< Zerovirus> Bullsh*tting.
20100626 20:47:21< PeterPorty> oh...
20100626 20:47:22< PeterPorty> ok
20100626 20:47:32< Zerovirus> I suggest you go back and read it after all
20100626 20:47:35< PeterPorty> didn't read any of it anyway....
20100626 20:47:36< Zerovirus> I can copypaste it back if you want
20100626 20:47:48< Gambit> PeterPorty: But after enders game I suggest you hop over to the shadow series
20100626 20:47:50< Gambit> finish it 
20100626 20:47:52< Gambit> and then back to ender
20100626 20:48:03< Gambit> it just makes more sense
20100626 20:48:07< Zerovirus> It turns out there never was a Bugger invasion, and the entire thing is a conspiracy by the Polemarch to take over the Earth. Ender figures this out and he gets murdered.
20100626 20:48:11< Zerovirus> That's what I said.
20100626 20:48:13< Zerovirus> It was total bull.
20100626 20:48:16< PeterPorty> I'm gonna stop reading for an hour... or I'll get crazy... I'll play some leego or something...
20100626 20:48:34< Rhonda> PeterPorty: I could help with stop reading.
20100626 20:48:41< PeterPorty> no thnx
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20100626 20:48:50< PeterPorty> I'm playing Lego....
20100626 20:48:51<@Rhonda> PeterPorty: Really. :P
20100626 20:48:54< PeterPorty> no...
20100626 20:48:57< PeterPorty> thanks
20100626 20:49:06-!- mode/#wesnoth [-o Rhonda] by Rhonda
20100626 20:49:06< Zerovirus> LEGOES!
20100626 20:49:09< Zerovirus> I LOVE LEGOES
20100626 20:50:16< Gambit> there's no e
20100626 20:50:24< SekoIdiootti> Zerovirus: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=4532704 hehehehe
20100626 20:50:27< SekoIdiootti> xD
20100626 20:50:42< Zerovirus> Looks kinda like my dream rendition of Shadowmaster
20100626 20:51:02< Zerovirus> Do I have to post my creations again and embarrass you once more? :P
20100626 20:51:19< Gambit> They say speaking his name summons him.
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20100626 21:10:21< Caboose> Helloes.
20100626 21:10:22< Hulavuta> Hi
20100626 21:10:32< Hulavuta> Did we just get in one second apart?
20100626 21:10:37< Caboose> I think we did.
20100626 21:10:41< Hulavuta> Lol
20100626 21:10:57< Hulavuta> What a coincidence
20100626 21:11:37< Caboose> I came on to ask a question: I'm making a era at the moment, And I'm wondering how do I set my units to use a custom trait and ability list?
20100626 21:11:59< Gambit> "list"?
20100626 21:12:16< Gambit> As long as the abilities are defined and being included then they're accessable to any unit.
20100626 21:12:17< Caboose> Well, Traits are random and come from the Trait.cfg
20100626 21:12:58< Caboose> Abilities, I can't seem to get my era to look for the custom abilities in the custom ability.cfg
20100626 21:13:00< Gambit> No. Those traits are bound to their races.
20100626 21:13:07< Caboose> Oh....
20100626 21:13:37< Caboose> Would I have to make a new race to give it custom traits?
20100626 21:14:13< Gambit> You can define the traits.
20100626 21:14:19< Gambit> And the define a new race and give it a list of traits
20100626 21:14:26< Gambit> including traits from core if you want.
20100626 21:14:43< Gambit> You can also specify specific traits per unit type.
20100626 21:15:14< Caboose> How would I get the new race to look for the list of traits in the /add-ons/ directory?
20100626 21:15:20< Gambit> You should download Extended Era (I think it's called BEEM now or something) and disect its code.
20100626 21:15:30< Gambit> Caboose: You don't have to.
20100626 21:15:37< Gambit> It will know.
20100626 21:15:42< Gambit> As long as the game sees the traits that is.
20100626 21:15:47< Caboose> Ah
20100626 21:15:56< zookeeper> Caboose, you don't. if you want a race to have custom traits, then you just put those traits inside the [race]
20100626 21:16:08< Gambit> That too.
20100626 21:16:10< Caboose> Alright, Thanks, I'll get to work
20100626 21:16:22< zookeeper> seriously, the biggest problem newbies have is thinking things are complicated when they really aren't. not that it's explained anywhere, but still
20100626 21:16:27< Gambit> Caboose: does your era have multiple factions?
20100626 21:16:34< Caboose> Only 2.
20100626 21:16:35< Gambit> Or is it one faction + default?
20100626 21:16:51< Gambit> Do those factions have any trait in common?
20100626 21:16:57< Caboose> Not at all
20100626 21:17:09< Caboose> One is undead, Therefore has no traits other than undead and fearless
20100626 21:17:12< Gambit> Then yeah just what zookeeper said.
20100626 21:17:46< Hulavuta> Gambit: Did you beat the scenario yet?
20100626 21:17:53< Gambit> Hulavuta: no
20100626 21:18:06< Gambit> I can't seem to make it to the third castle.
20100626 21:18:30< Gambit> I gues I'll have to retreat my leader and recruit more
20100626 21:18:50< Hulavuta> Why did you send him over?
20100626 21:20:12< Hulavuta> Okay, does anyone need me for anything?
20100626 21:20:17< Hulavuta> I'm going to go play BFME
20100626 21:21:46< Hulavuta> I'm leaving
20100626 21:21:46< Hulavuta> Okay
20100626 21:21:48< Hulavuta> bye beye
20100626 21:27:23< Caboose> I know there is a way you can make traits add attacks, But is there a way to make them replace an attack?
20100626 21:30:34< zookeeper> well, sure, by removing the old and and adding a new one
20100626 21:30:50< zookeeper> or just modifying the existing one enough, but you can't change everything (like the icon)
20100626 21:31:13< Caboose> I'd just want to change the name, The damage type, And the damage
20100626 21:31:50< zookeeper> well, first of all make sure you're looking at http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EffectWML
20100626 21:32:02< Caboose> Grrr
20100626 21:32:04< Caboose> Afk
20100626 21:32:35< zookeeper> how silly, looks like you can't actually _set_ the damage when modifying an existing attack
20100626 21:33:05< zookeeper> so unless you can give it an increment/decrement, you'll have to remove the old attack with one [effect] and add the new one with another
20100626 21:34:26< zookeeper> but if, for example, you need to reduce the sword attack's damage by 2, you could use apply_to=attack name=sword set_name=mysword set_description=_"mysword" set_type=pierce increase_damage=-2
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20100626 22:00:20< PeterPorty> Ummmm... Gambit, I need help... 
20100626 22:00:36< PeterPorty> I made a map, but can't play it, dunno why...
20100626 22:00:54< e_s-iOS> No starting sides?
20100626 22:01:22< PeterPorty> while creating the game, instead of displaying the number of players and map size while choosing it, it just says 'error'
20100626 22:01:30< PeterPorty> no, I did select sides...
20100626 22:02:15< PeterPorty> I experienced the same problem once with an add-on, I could only use it on online mode, but in local play, I also got the same...
20100626 22:02:41< PeterPorty> but my map doesn't work on either one.
20100626 22:02:51< e_s-iOS> What stderr say?
20100626 22:02:52< PeterPorty> zookeeper, think you can help me?
20100626 22:02:58< e_s-iOS> What does*
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20100626 22:03:03< PeterPorty> what's that?
20100626 22:03:16< e_s-iOS> You on Mac or PC?
20100626 22:03:25< PeterPorty> PC right now
20100626 22:04:13< e_s-iOS> If there was an error, there should be a file named stderr.txt that lists problems 
20100626 22:04:23< PeterPorty> wait...
20100626 22:04:28< e_s-iOS> Not sure, always on Mac 
20100626 22:04:41< PeterPorty> it seems maps should have a .map ending....
20100626 22:04:44< PeterPorty> mine doesn't
20100626 22:04:48< PeterPorty> brb
20100626 22:06:04< PeterPorty> nope... still not working...
20100626 22:06:39< e_s-iOS> Try defining a scenario for it?
20100626 22:07:06< zookeeper> PeterPorty, no, i can't
20100626 22:07:15< PeterPorty> :(
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20100626 22:12:02< Gambit> PeterPorty: Sorry I was afk.
20100626 22:12:17< PeterPorty> welcome back
20100626 22:12:25< PeterPorty> u know why that happens?
20100626 22:12:29< Gambit> Does it have a scenario or it's just a map?
20100626 22:12:35< PeterPorty> just map
20100626 22:12:53< PeterPorty> should I ask on the forums?
20100626 22:13:18< Gambit> Did you use any weird terrains?
20100626 22:13:25< Gambit> Like the ones from the starred menus?
20100626 22:13:38 * zookeeper grants Gambit a cookie
20100626 22:14:01< PeterPorty> nope...
20100626 22:14:10< Gambit> lies
20100626 22:14:15< PeterPorty> really
20100626 22:14:35< Gambit> That's the only way (in editor) to break a plain map (assuming sides are placed)
20100626 22:15:48< PeterPorty> on the map file, I just found one weird thing, it says ', 2 Gs        ' in one plce, instead of just 'Gs' as it says on every other place...
20100626 22:15:57< PeterPorty> could that be it?
20100626 22:16:02< Gambit> No.
20100626 22:16:02< e_s-iOS> Possibly
20100626 22:16:06< e_s-iOS> Oh
20100626 22:16:08< Gambit> The two signifies that player 2 starts there.
20100626 22:16:09< PeterPorty> O.o
20100626 22:16:10< e_s-iOS> Nvm
20100626 22:16:13< PeterPorty> oh...
20100626 22:16:26< PeterPorty> well...
20100626 22:16:49< Gambit> zookeeper why are there terrains included in the editor with no macros in core?
20100626 22:16:54< Gambit> It's the dumbest thing ever.
20100626 22:17:01< Gambit> they come with the game
20100626 22:17:04< Gambit> they're in the editor
20100626 22:17:09< PeterPorty> I didn't use any of those terrains...
20100626 22:17:31< Gambit> PeterPorty: pastebin me the map
20100626 22:17:35< zookeeper> Gambit, what macros?
20100626 22:17:43< PeterPorty> ummm... how do I do that?
20100626 22:17:50< Gambit> s/macros/terrain definitions/
20100626 22:18:05< PeterPorty> wait.... I'll send the map file to your forum account...
20100626 22:18:08< PeterPorty> can I do that?
20100626 22:18:11< Gambit> PeterPorty: wesnoth.pastebin.com
20100626 22:18:19< Gambit> open the map in notepad
20100626 22:18:22< zookeeper> Gambit, they're there so people can actually edit campaign maps with the editor?
20100626 22:18:24< Gambit> copy and paste into pastebin
20100626 22:18:27< Gambit> submit and link me
20100626 22:18:44< Gambit> zookeeper: But if like 4 files were moved then they'd work for everyone...
20100626 22:19:03< Gambit> I'm not questioning why the terrains are in the editor.
20100626 22:19:32< PeterPorty> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/CPg3FGpi
20100626 22:19:34< Gambit> I'm wondering why 10 minutes more work wasn't done to just have them work all the time.
20100626 22:19:45< PeterPorty> just a plain savannah map...
20100626 22:20:08< PeterPorty> thx for helping me out btw.
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20100626 22:21:15< Gambit> PeterPorty: "Dc"
20100626 22:21:19< Gambit> whatever that terrain is
20100626 22:21:25< Gambit> It doesn't exist
20100626 22:21:49< PeterPorty> Desert Castle
20100626 22:21:59< PeterPorty> It is supposed to be mainline, isn't it?
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20100626 22:22:53< Gambit> I think it's the crater.
20100626 22:22:58< Gambit> There's a Dd^Dc
20100626 22:23:05< Gambit> But yeah that should work.
20100626 22:23:42< Gambit> There's "Dc" terrain all through your map.
20100626 22:23:48< Gambit> But there is no just plain "Dc" AFAIK
20100626 22:23:59< Gambit> 3 in total
20100626 22:24:15< PeterPorty> meh, nvm, it works on my other wesnoth....
20100626 22:24:23< PeterPorty> thx anywway....
20100626 22:24:26< PeterPorty> :D
20100626 22:24:37< Gambit> What version?
20100626 22:24:41< PeterPorty> same...
20100626 22:24:46< PeterPorty> just my other copy....
20100626 22:24:48< Gambit> whadda...
20100626 22:24:54< PeterPorty> ...yeah, I'm weird...
20100626 22:25:12< Gambit> What version of wesnoth
20100626 22:25:21< PeterPorty> 1.8.2
20100626 22:25:41< Gambit> This problem is like my right hand on a friday night.
20100626 22:26:01< PeterPorty> ...
20100626 22:26:02< Gambit> [/zero punctuation reference]
20100626 22:26:21< PeterPorty> umm...
20100626 22:26:50< PeterPorty> this problem helps you out when no girls are arround?
20100626 22:26:58< Gambit> that's the joke yes
20100626 22:27:14< PeterPorty> ...
20100626 22:28:05< Gambit> And now it's telling me there's invalid terrain "Dk"
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20100626 22:28:18< Gambit> PeterPorty: Where did you get desert castle and desert keep?
20100626 22:28:27< Gambit> And why is it on one copy of your wesnoth and not another?
20100626 22:28:37< PeterPorty> they are on the edditor...
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20100626 22:28:48< Gambit> Desert castle is slated for 1.9
20100626 22:28:55< PeterPorty> really?
20100626 22:28:56< Gambit> how do you have them?
20100626 22:29:07< PeterPorty> ummm... that's weird...
20100626 22:29:29< PeterPorty> I totally didn't steal information and other stuff from a certian other chilean player....
20100626 22:29:42< PeterPorty> I can't do that, I'm a computer n00b
20100626 22:30:00< Gambit> PeterPorty: Replaced all your lame stuff with desert craters
20100626 22:30:01< Gambit> map loads fine
20100626 22:30:13< Gambit> and there's four craters in a castlular shape
20100626 22:30:18< Gambit> So yeahs.
20100626 22:30:30< PeterPorty> and... it doesn't load when you don't change them?
20100626 22:30:46< Gambit> Load it up in your weird 1.8/trunk hybrid and change them to human castle.
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20100626 22:31:29< PeterPorty> nah, nvm, it does work now, I just wanted to do an experiment... maybe it has to do with the fact I erased my userdata folder?
20100626 22:31:54< Gambit> No it has to do with the fact that you're a time traveler and have terrains that don't exist in 1.8.2 yet.
20100626 22:32:43< PeterPorty> oh... cool
20100626 22:32:50< PeterPorty> well, it works on my other thingy...
20100626 22:32:59< PeterPorty> and they were on the editor....
20100626 22:33:14< Hulavuta1> I'm back
20100626 22:33:21< Hulavuta1> Wait a second
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20100626 22:33:30< Hulavuta1> Now I'm back
20100626 22:33:32< Hulavuta1> Damnit
20100626 22:33:34-!- Hulavuta1 is now known as Hulavuta
20100626 22:33:36< Hulavuta> There
20100626 22:33:37< Hulavuta> That's better
20100626 22:33:43< PeterPorty> hi
20100626 22:33:47< PeterPorty> and welcome back
20100626 22:33:52< Gambit> PeterPorty: furthermore go watch ZeroPunctuation review of Dante's Inferno
20100626 22:34:06< PeterPorty> I want that game....
20100626 22:34:13< Gambit> PeterPorty: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1472-Dantes-Inferno
20100626 22:34:13< PeterPorty> I'll download it....
20100626 22:34:46< Hulavuta> Damn Firefox not working
20100626 22:35:02< Hulavuta> Urgg
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20100626 22:36:36< Hulavuta> Lol Dinocroc vs Supergator
20100626 22:37:24< Hulavuta> It's quiet
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20100626 22:39:57< PeterPorty> ok, the Dc comes with one of my add ons
20100626 22:40:06< PeterPorty> I just need to get which one is it...
20100626 22:40:54< elvish_sovereign> Hulavuta, wanna finish?
20100626 22:40:58< elvish_sovereign> the MP match
20100626 22:42:27< elvish_sovereign> btw shadowmaster?
20100626 22:42:30< Hulavuta> Yes
20100626 22:42:40< Hulavuta> Which reminds me...
20100626 22:42:55< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: are you interested in entering an MP tournament?
20100626 22:43:06< PeterPorty> wanna be my partner?
20100626 22:43:13< elvish_sovereign> :(
20100626 22:43:23< Hulavuta> elvish_sovereign is already my partner
20100626 22:43:29< PeterPorty> oh...
20100626 22:43:32< PeterPorty> then?
20100626 22:43:41< Hulavuta> Well you can check out the topic and see
20100626 22:43:43< elvish_sovereign> you guys can pair up if youd like
20100626 22:43:46< Hulavuta> Maybe shadowmaster wants to play?
20100626 22:43:58< Gambit> Maybe if he hadn't just left.
20100626 22:43:58< PeterPorty> nah, I was gonna say no....
20100626 22:44:06< Hulavuta> ok
20100626 22:44:19< PeterPorty> I'd lose immediately, so... just a waste of time
20100626 22:44:20< Hulavuta> Wait, so you want to be in the tournament or not?
20100626 22:44:22< Hulavuta> ok
20100626 22:44:23< Hulavuta> lol
20100626 22:44:28< PeterPorty> :D
20100626 22:44:36< Hulavuta> elvish_sovereign: Ready for the savegame?
20100626 22:44:39< elvish_sovereign> sure
20100626 22:44:43< elvish_sovereign> i'll load
20100626 22:44:43< Hulavuta> Ok
20100626 22:44:48< Hulavuta> I was gonna say that
20100626 22:45:27< elvish_sovereign> it's up
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20100626 22:46:44< Hulavuta> Ready
20100626 22:46:49< Hulavuta> Anyone can watch if they want
20100626 22:47:09< Hulavuta> Helpful comments are appreciated. XD
20100626 22:51:03< Gambit> Hulavuta: kill his leader!
20100626 22:51:26< elvish_sovereign> OMG thats the best advice ive ever heard!
20100626 22:51:34< elvish_sovereign> I shall take this to heart :D
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20100626 23:02:24< Sacho> which server?
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20100626 23:06:07< Hulavuta> Who me?
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20100626 23:10:29< elvish_sovereign> hey guys, i just set up a channel #wesnoth-wml for WML related stuff. Thought it would be nice to to have a channel for that.
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20100626 23:16:18< Hulavuta> Like a WML hotline? Lol
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20100626 23:17:29< elvish_sovereign> no, for WML help
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20100626 23:17:51< elvish_sovereign> look at the irc log for yesterday on #wesnoth-dev
20100626 23:17:54< elvish_sovereign> you'll see what i mean
20100626 23:18:28< Sacho> isn't #wesnoth-dev small enough to accomodate it?
20100626 23:18:39< elvish_sovereign> I guess
20100626 23:18:48 * zookeeper thinks #wesnoth is small enough for WML help
20100626 23:18:58< elvish_sovereign> ok
20100626 23:19:19< shadowmaster> generally we use #wesnoth, #wesnoth-dev and #wesnoth-umc-dev since it's where you can find mainline developers or WML experts
20100626 23:20:58< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100626 23:21:33< Hulavuta> Yaaaaaayyy
20100626 23:21:34< Hulavuta> We winded
20100626 23:21:40< Hulavuta> *won
20100626 23:23:09< elvish_sovereign> okay then: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/NeN8EKvt
20100626 23:23:28< elvish_sovereign> I need help with this, shadowmaster, you remember from yesterday, right?
20100626 23:25:23< shadowmaster> yeah, but not sure why it doesn't work
20100626 23:25:39< elvish_sovereign> zookeeper, do you know?
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20100626 23:26:31< elvish_sovereign> basically, the unit with the ability should remove poison if it is attacked by a unit with the poison special
20100626 23:26:49< elvish_sovereign> because it defines it's own poison
20100626 23:26:55< elvish_sovereign> its*
20100626 23:27:35< elvish_sovereign> but the unit is still poisoned, and the modified "poison" doesn't fire and the unit loses 8hp per turn
20100626 23:27:45< zookeeper> elvish_sovereign, which part doesn't work?
20100626 23:27:51< zookeeper> oh, right
20100626 23:28:27< zookeeper> try using attack end instead of attacker hits and defender hits?
20100626 23:28:52< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100626 23:29:02< zookeeper> also as an extra fallback you can have a side turn event which removes the poison status from those units
20100626 23:29:17< zookeeper> side turn fires before normal poison damage is applied, turn refresh fires after
20100626 23:29:36< zookeeper> also, of course make sure that you have the filters right in those two events...
20100626 23:30:21< elvish_sovereign> hmmm
20100626 23:30:40< elvish_sovereign> without the fallback both the poison and the event fire, so the unit loses 12 hp
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20100626 23:32:35< zookeeper> well, looks like your problem is that your fighting events either don't fire or don't change the correct unit
20100626 23:32:59< elvish_sovereign> hmmm
20100626 23:33:05< zookeeper> but in debug messages or something, should be easy enough to figure out
20100626 23:34:08< elvish_sovereign> okay, did :inspect
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20100626 23:34:26< elvish_sovereign> went to units, then clicked on the unit with the ability
20100626 23:34:35< elvish_sovereign> Wesnoth crashed
20100626 23:35:57< elvish_sovereign> so what's up? I honestly can't figure out
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20100626 23:37:08< zookeeper> elvish_sovereign, yes you can. if you can't use :inspect, then check the ability WML from a savefile and see if it makes any sense or if there's something suspicious
20100626 23:40:27< elvish_sovereign> zookeeper: if a possible reason because it used :debug?
20100626 23:40:55< elvish_sovereign> I'm looking through it and nothing seems wrong
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20100626 23:44:16< Hulavuta> back
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20100626 23:49:08< elvish_sovereign> goota go eat
20100626 23:49:11< elvish_sovereign> gotta*
20100626 23:49:37< zookeeper> elvish_sovereign, no, :debug doesn't cause it
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