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20100701 00:09:55-!- Topic for #wesnoth-dev: 134 bugs, 281 feature requests, 14 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org
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20100701 00:09:55-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-dev: Total of 50 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 50 normal]
20100701 00:10:00-!- Channel #wesnoth-dev created Tue Jan 27 06:28:41 2009
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20100701 00:27:33< boucman> hey all
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20100701 00:53:32< gabba> hey boucman
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20100701 02:35:13< AI0867> silene: testcase: ai0867.net/hiden/preproctest.diff
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20100701 03:05:48< shadowmaster> esr: you live?
20100701 03:06:20< Gambit> Why don't unit types go through the network again?
20100701 03:06:27< Gambit> I can't understand the reasoning there...
20100701 03:06:40< shadowmaster> is there a reasoning even?
20100701 03:06:43< Gambit> It can't be a size thing.
20100701 03:06:54< esr> shadowmaster: Yep, just back from vacation.
20100701 03:06:55< shadowmaster> although I can see potential for OOS
20100701 03:06:57< Gambit> There are single scenarios that are larger than entire eras full of unit cfgs.
20100701 03:06:57< shadowmaster> particularly for mods that override the entire unit tree
20100701 03:07:17< shadowmaster> esr: okay, so I assume you have got no idea about what's going on with Northern Rebirth :)
20100701 03:07:23< Gambit> shadowmaster: that is no more dangerous than an addon (unless i'm missing something)
20100701 03:07:58< esr> shadowmaster: I'm playing a game forward so I can reproduce the error.  Haven't gotten there yet.
20100701 03:08:08< shadowmaster> esr: I'm not talking about bugs!
20100701 03:08:11< shadowmaster> I'm talking abourt art
20100701 03:08:26< esr> shadowmaster: Do tell.
20100701 03:09:11< shadowmaster> as part of the art commissions program, Valkier is currently remaking all the portraits for NR, since the old ones aren't very consistent in style and don't match the current portrait guidelines either since they were made before kitty's arrival
20100701 03:09:30< shadowmaster> you can see work on this thread: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26022&start=345 pages 24 onwards
20100701 03:09:37< esr> Looking...
20100701 03:10:08< shadowmaster> I thought it might interest you since you were involved in NR's maintenance before
20100701 03:10:21< shadowmaster> besides the whole prose doctoring and mainlining process
20100701 03:11:22< esr> Oh, I *like* the new Hamel!
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20100701 03:20:42< Espreon> Ivanovic: OK, thanks.
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20100701 03:50:23< CIA-87> gabba * r43800 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (side_actions.cpp side_actions.hpp): Whiteboard: added a function to side_actions
20100701 03:50:29< CIA-87> gabba * r43801 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Whiteboard: Give priority to executing action of selected unit, then to action of mouseovered unit, then to first action in the queue.
20100701 03:50:35< CIA-87> gabba * r43802 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: Whiteboard: Only highlight when doing mouseover on unit position.
20100701 03:50:42< CIA-87> gabba * r43803 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: Whiteboard: Changes to highlight in progress. Now hovering over any hex related to a unit highlights all its actions.
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20100701 03:50:51< CIA-87> gabba * r43804 /trunk/src/whiteboard/move.cpp: Whiteboard: Highlight all moves of a unit whenever cursor is over the unit itself or any of its ghost.
20100701 03:50:57< CIA-87> gabba * r43805 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (move.cpp move.hpp): Whiteboard: better handling of some const values.
20100701 03:51:06< CIA-87> gabba * r43806 /trunk/src/whiteboard/highlight_visitor.cpp: 
20100701 03:51:06< CIA-87> Whiteboard: experiment: use selecting animation to highlight unit ghosts. Also
20100701 03:51:06< CIA-87> use it on the real unit itself, but it works in a delayed manner for some reason
20100701 03:51:06< CIA-87> (help, graphics experts?). Also, found a funny bug to be fixed in next commit:
20100701 03:51:07< CIA-87> try spamming the 'y' key with some moves defined.
20100701 03:51:12< CIA-87> gabba * r43807 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Whiteboard: set up mutex to prevent repeated access to move creation
20100701 03:51:18< CIA-87> gabba * r43808 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (manager.cpp manager.hpp): Whiteboard: improve locking mechanism to allow quick defining of many planned moves. Problem: the unit move animation wasn't designed to be multithreaded, and it causes weird visuals.
20100701 03:51:25< CIA-87> gabba * r43809 /trunk/src/whiteboard/move.cpp: Whiteboard: reset arrow back to normal after move execution. Finding a way to make it linger a bit more in highlight mode would be good.
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20100701 03:51:33< CIA-87> gabba * r43810 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (highlight_visitor.cpp manager.cpp): Whiteboard: Fix some flickering. A new crash on exit sneaked in though, to be fixed soon(tm).
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20100701 04:03:06< Gambit> Is it possible to add custom terrain to the default editor groups?
20100701 04:03:15< Gambit> I think there might be an addon doing just that.
20100701 04:03:24< shadowmaster> yes, it is possible
20100701 04:03:52< shadowmaster> terrains can be added to any groups, s it's up to the content maintainer to be a responsible netizen and not do that kind of stuff you are describing
20100701 04:03:57< shadowmaster> let me see if I can find it
20100701 04:03:59< Gambit> Okay well I hypothesize that somewhere out there is an addon adding desert castle to the default groups.
20100701 04:04:21< shadowmaster> I'm going to search in the addons archive
20100701 04:06:25< shadowmaster> crap
20100701 04:06:31< shadowmaster> Gambit: it's Ageless Era
20100701 04:06:51< Gambit> Of course :P
20100701 04:07:22< shadowmaster> I guess I'll post in mnewton1's thread
20100701 04:10:09< shadowmaster> posted. http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=439189#p439189
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20100701 09:13:13< fabi> hi timotei
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20100701 09:17:05< timotei> hi fabi 
20100701 09:17:41< timotei> sory for not having time yesterday to talk
20100701 09:17:44< timotei> s/sory/sorry
20100701 09:18:09< fabi> timotei: I ask you about reaching your next milestone yesterday. Do you consider it possible? No problem.
20100701 09:18:36< timotei> well, 5 july is on monday
20100701 09:18:57< timotei> I can achieve them but on the syntax highlighting stuff I don't think
20100701 09:19:08< timotei> the part with syntax is related to writing wesnoth's grammar
20100701 09:19:24< timotei> so I need to make that script that parses the schema, and writes the grammar based on that
20100701 09:19:55< timotei> there is no problem if syntax isn't done in this milestone, since when the grammar is in place for the plugin, autocompletition and folding, and other stuff are achieved in the same time too
20100701 09:20:00< timotei> with some minor modifications
20100701 09:20:25< fabi> Okay, that sounds nice.
20100701 09:20:40< fabi> What are your problems with the syntax highlighting in particular?
20100701 09:22:59< timotei> well I don't think there is any problem, yet
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20100701 09:23:31< timotei> but have a question, it would be nice to let the user set the colors for highlighting right?
20100701 09:23:46< timotei> so a preferences page in eclipse's options is good enough?
20100701 09:24:26< Ivanovic> moin
20100701 09:25:04< timotei> hi Ivanovic 
20100701 09:29:05< fabi> timotei: hmmm. 
20100701 09:30:07< fabi> timotei: Eclipses editor has it's own config dialogue for every language where the user can define the colors, right? 
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20100701 09:30:45< shadowmaster> I'm so sleepy that I read that as "define the corpses"
20100701 09:30:55< timotei> fabi, yes and no
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20100701 09:30:57 * shadowmaster hugs his pillow
20100701 09:31:05< timotei> basicallly yes
20100701 09:31:58< timotei> it depends on the creator of the plugin (for example for "pydev")
20100701 09:32:00< timotei> brb fod
20100701 09:32:02< timotei> food*
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20100701 09:55:29< Ivanovic> amazing
20100701 09:55:51< Ivanovic> you don't visit the forums for 2 days and 7 pages of "unread posts" accumulated
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20100701 10:04:27< timotei> you read all of them?:)
20100701 10:04:47< timotei> fendrin, I'm back
20100701 10:05:22< timotei> anyone knows how to handle with git on the archive downloaded from wesnoth?
20100701 10:06:07< fendrin> timotei: I think customizing the colors of the highlighting isn't that important.
20100701 10:06:14< timotei> ok
20100701 10:07:18< fendrin> timotei: If it's easy to archive I don't object against it. But I don't consider it a must. If there is a way to skip the implementation of that but keep that option open for later implementation without bigger changes I would go for that.
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20100701 10:08:01< timotei> fendrin yes, it's achievable
20100701 10:08:05< timotei> brb shop again:D
20100701 10:08:08< timotei> max 15 mins
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20100701 10:36:14< CIA-87> billynux * r43811 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Ana build connects fine but is bugged when trying to connect to a non existing server.
20100701 10:36:54< timotei> fendrin, well, I soon finish setting up my git/eclipse and will start working on the wizards
20100701 10:37:15< fendrin> timotei: okay, fine.
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20100701 10:46:37< CIA-87> ivanovic * r43813 /branches/1.8/po/ (3 files in 3 dirs): updated Chinese (Traditional) translation
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20100701 11:32:54< CIA-87> gabba * r43816 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Whiteboard: Get rid of the find_visitor, and refactor side_actions to use iterators instead of a mix of indexes and shared pointers
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20100701 17:23:40< CIA-87> eleazar * r43819 /trunk/ (15 files in 2 dirs): New castle-to-chasm transitions, with random alternates! Lava transitions still need to be done.
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20100701 18:01:15< Elvish_Pillager> I have a message with various options. I notice that lines don't automatically wrap in these messages, and that the width of the message dialog varies with the width of your Wesnoth window. Is there any recommended maximum width for lines? The dialog does provide a left-right scroll bar, but it's better if everything is visible at once...
20100701 18:05:15< Elvish_Pillager> (The lines don't automatically wrap in the options, that is. They do in the body of the message.)
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20100701 18:17:32< eleazar_> Elvish_Pillager: 80-90 characters is a good readable line length
20100701 18:17:59< Elvish_Pillager> eleazar_: Not if it is slightly longer than the width of the text box.
20100701 18:18:33< Elvish_Pillager> With an image at the left for each option, it's possible for the box to be thin enough that only about 50 characters fit.
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20100701 18:19:19< eleazar_> maybe i don't undersand your question
20100701 18:19:26< eleazar_> what exactly is the context?
20100701 18:20:34< Elvish_Pillager> Um - writing WML message options, trying to figure out where to wrap the lines?
20100701 18:20:55< Elvish_Pillager> Maybe I'm missing something obvious here, but I don't know what part of the context I've left out?
20100701 18:22:26< eleazar_> the part of context that explains how you know how many characters will fit, and still have a question
20100701 18:23:41< Elvish_Pillager> I only know approximately how many characters is the bare minimum, if I resize my window as small as it can be before displaying the dialog actually causes an error.
20100701 18:24:58< eleazar_> i'd call that a serious bug
20100701 18:25:09< eleazar_> have you filed a bug report?
20100701 18:25:33< Elvish_Pillager> Which thing is a bug? The fact that it doesn't automatically wrap lines?
20100701 18:26:01< Elvish_Pillager> Or the error when the window is too small?
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20100701 18:41:07< eleazar_> the error
20100701 18:41:50< Soliton> it's an assert?
20100701 18:42:13< Elvish_Pillager> No; Wesnoth displays an error dialog saying "Failed to show a dialog, which doesn't fit the screen".
20100701 18:42:46< Soliton> that sounds pretty nice.
20100701 18:43:13< Elvish_Pillager> oh, and I can also resize the screen to be so tiny that it can't display the error dialog. THEN it quits out of the game with a "WML exception" on the command line
20100701 18:43:30< Elvish_Pillager> (but to do that, it has to be, like, less than 100x100 pixels)
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20100701 19:03:33< eleazar_> what's the term for the stuff that get's shown between scenarios?
20100701 19:03:47< eleazar_> ....maps and stories content etc.
20100701 19:06:22< eleazar_> Here's IMHO how the story sequences navigation should work:
20100701 19:06:23< eleazar_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=439346#p439346
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20100701 21:11:38< inspiron> hey gabba :D
20100701 21:11:58< gabba> hi inspiron
20100701 21:12:09< inspiron> gabba, how are you doing?
20100701 21:12:11< inspiron> ah damn it
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20100701 21:12:15< timotei> :))
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20100701 21:12:42< timotei> XChat didn't save again the nickname
20100701 21:12:51< gabba> not bad, I was wondering who was speaking :)
20100701 21:13:08< gabba> you doing good?
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20100701 21:28:09< timotei> yeah:D
20100701 21:28:19< timotei> at last managed to get full working on gsoc :D
20100701 21:40:36< zookeeper> eleazar_, story screens
20100701 21:40:52< zookeeper> and yeah, i very recently complained here about how the new controls are pretty...weird
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20100701 21:41:27< zookeeper> but the thing is that atm we can't have grayed out buttons (no idea why, since they're like the most basic thing in an UI after non-grayed out buttons.. :p)
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20100701 21:44:47< billynux> hey guys timotei / gabba
20100701 21:44:54< timotei> hi billynux :D
20100701 21:45:02< gabba> hey billynux
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20100701 21:45:06< timotei> didn't see you coming in
20100701 21:45:22< billynux> I've been here... for many hours :)
20100701 21:45:44< billynux> I want to brutally slain threads and memory management! :(
20100701 21:46:47< timotei> :(
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20100701 21:47:07< billynux> It's one of those things, that is hard to get right
20100701 21:47:21< timotei> yeah, asycronus things are nasty sometimes
20100701 21:49:03< gabba> billynux: funny that you mention that, I searched wesnoth's code to see which kind of mutexes we were using, and I ended up in your code
20100701 21:49:15< timotei> :))
20100701 21:49:25< timotei> gabba, for what you need mutexes?
20100701 21:49:34< gabba> Which is very well organised and commented btw, from the little I saw (much better than mine :P)
20100701 21:49:35< billynux> hint: don't take my code as a good example just yet :)
20100701 21:49:46< billynux> thx gabba 
20100701 21:50:14< billynux> (much needed words of encouragement)
20100701 21:50:20< gabba> I need mutexes because I end up doing multithreading with the UI at some points
20100701 21:50:49< gabba> I introduced them in my last few commits
20100701 21:51:24< timotei> oh yeah, right
20100701 21:52:40< gabba> I had a hilarious bug where you could spam the move execution key to start 1000 executions of the same move simultaneously... the UI regains control during move animations, so...
20100701 21:52:53< timotei> oh... 1000 is much
20100701 21:53:12< gabba> 1000 or whatever you want, until wesnoth goes belly-up
20100701 21:54:01< billynux> :)
20100701 22:03:11< eleazar_> zookeeper: your sure it's not an issue of greyed out buttons not being made yet?
20100701 22:03:33< eleazar_> BTW we have *transparent* versions of some buttons, do you know what those are for?
20100701 22:14:25< zookeeper> eleazar_, yes, we can't have disabled buttons at all yet. as for the transparent versions, i'm not sure.
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20100701 22:15:11< Sirp__> hi
20100701 22:15:31< timotei> hi Sirp__ 
20100701 22:15:41< Sirp__> hi timotei 
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20100701 22:37:49< timotei> loonycyborg, hey
20100701 22:37:52< timotei> loonycyborg, around?
20100701 22:39:14< loonycyborg> timotei: Yes.
20100701 22:40:23< loonycyborg> Wassup? :P
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20100701 22:40:48< timotei> loonycyborg, wanted to ask you something about scons
20100701 22:40:58< timotei> but I think I'll try visual studio for now
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20100701 22:41:12< timotei> I'm again on a windows machine:))
20100701 22:42:22< loonycyborg> But what did you want to ask? I'm curious..
20100701 22:42:49< timotei> wanted to see if I could use my portable ubuntu to compile with scons for windows too
20100701 22:42:55< timotei> but I think it's just too much:D
20100701 22:47:01< loonycyborg> FWIW that is possible. This is how hidden/win binaries are made.
20100701 22:47:26< timotei> wesbot, FWIW ?
20100701 22:47:34< timotei> shikadibot: FWIW ?
20100701 22:47:34< shikadibot> FWIW: for what it's worth
20100701 22:48:01< timotei> oh
20100701 22:48:52< zookeeper> what's the english adjective for example for a topic or idea which has been discussed to death and there's nothing interesting in it anymore?
20100701 22:49:51< zookeeper> thoroughly exhausted?
20100701 22:50:11< loonycyborg> Is that about RNG? :P
20100701 22:50:29< zookeeper> no
20100701 22:51:48< Sirp__> zookeeper: well there's a perfectly good phrase borrowed from latin: "discussed ad nauseum"
20100701 22:52:32< Sirp__> literally, "discussed to the point of nausea"
20100701 22:52:39< loonycyborg> "Beating a Dead Horse"
20100701 22:53:27< zookeeper> ok, thanks
20100701 23:07:20< CIA-87> billynux * r43820 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Playing with connection through ana, stats gathering is bugged.
20100701 23:07:41< billynux> I'm off... threading+mem-mgmt is killing me :(
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20100701 23:17:29 * Espreon rolls his eyes
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20100701 23:18:44< boucman> hey all
20100701 23:18:48< Espreon> Hello.
20100701 23:18:53< boucman> gabba: i'm gonna test your latest changes now
20100701 23:25:28< boucman> gabba: I have a freeze of the game after executing a (non-bottom) action
20100701 23:32:49< boucman> wesbot: seen kevg 
20100701 23:32:49< wesbot> boucman: The person with the nick kevg 2d 20h ago they left with the message: Remote host closed the connection
20100701 23:40:55< timotei> uu it's already bed time
20100701 23:41:13< timotei> didn't see the time flowing
20100701 23:47:57< CIA-87> timotei * r43821 /trunk/utils/java/ (10 files in 7 dirs): eclipse plugin: remove unneeded project
20100701 23:47:59< timotei> ok bye everyone
20100701 23:48:08< timotei> bye gabba , and good luck:D
20100701 23:48:12< CIA-87> timotei * r43822 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/wizards/CampaignPage2.java: eclipse plugin: fix the ID textbox not firing the modify event
20100701 23:48:24< CIA-87> timotei * r43823 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/ (16 files in 7 dirs): eclipse plugin: implement automatic creation of file/directories for campaign project based on text files, so no more source code changes (part1)
20100701 23:48:40< CIA-87> timotei * r43824 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/wizards/CampaignNewWizard.java: eclipse plugin: add automatically the nature on project creation
20100701 23:48:54< CIA-87> timotei * r43825 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/ (Activator.java wizards/TemplateProvider.java): eclipse plugin: lazy loading the templates
20100701 23:49:06< CIA-87> timotei * r43826 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/ (4 files in 2 dirs): eclipse plugin: part 2 of creating project files/directories based on text files
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