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20100702 00:13:49< gabba> oh hello boucman, I was afk
20100702 00:15:33< boucman> hey gabba
20100702 00:16:36< gabba> boucman: regarding the freeze, I have one if I go on the "Open the hell" hex which causes a wml event, is that what happened?
20100702 00:16:58< boucman> maybe, I 'm not sure...
20100702 00:18:21< boucman> couple of minor suggestions: if we keep the "execute selected unit by default" we should keep the selected unit always highlighted...
20100702 00:18:47< boucman> except for that, i'm quite happy with what we have now... it looks good.
20100702 00:19:54< boucman> I won't be around this weeking (or very sporadically) 
20100702 00:20:02< boucman> what is your expected next step ?
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20100702 01:22:40< CIA-87> espreon * r43827 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Set svn:eol-style on some files.
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20100702 02:38:11< CIA-87> eleazar * r43828 /trunk/data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: fixed new castle-to-chams interaction with dwarven castle.
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20100702 02:54:24< CIA-87> eleazar * r43829 /trunk/ (26 files in 4 dirs): 
20100702 02:54:24< CIA-87> created new icons to differentiate mainline, but non-core terrain groups and UMC
20100702 02:54:24< CIA-87> terrain groups. UMC authors have 3 styles to choose between to keep things from
20100702 02:54:24< CIA-87> getting too confusing. Also created some group buttons for future use.
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20100702 03:50:13< Espreon> ancestral: I'm gonna work on DiD.
20100702 03:50:20< ancestral> Okay
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20100702 04:25:19< Espreon> "The 'zed' word." — Really?
20100702 04:25:24< Espreon> esr: ^
20100702 04:28:07< Espreon> If only they were dwarves...
20100702 04:28:18< Espreon> ... then I could make them say "izzard"...
20100702 04:28:28< Espreon> ... which is the best name for the letter.
20100702 04:35:14< Espreon> esr: But seriously, what should I do?
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20100702 04:46:34< esr> Espreon: Our base language is American English.  
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20100702 05:03:23< ABCD> so it should be "The 'Z' word." then, right? :D
20100702 05:21:00< AI0867> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=438938#p438938 <-- this sounds like a bug
20100702 05:21:05< AI0867> or at least "not hard enough"
20100702 05:21:14< AI0867> pull an NR on them?
20100702 05:22:03< shadowmaster> what's pulling an NR?
20100702 05:22:32< shadowmaster> sending FOUR DOZENS OF ORCS WITH 20 GOLD INCOME AGAINST A PLAYER WITH 100 GOLD AND 2 INCOME AND NO VILLAGES
20100702 05:22:36< shadowmaster> ?
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20100702 05:47:17< AI0867> shadowmaster: that, and when it looks like the player might have a remote chance of winning, drop 100 wolf riders
20100702 05:48:06< shadowmaster> noted.
20100702 05:48:48< Aethaeryn> AI0867: that's stupid
20100702 05:48:53< Aethaeryn> AI0867: you want DIREWOLF riders.
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20100702 06:22:43< CIA-87> gabba * r43831 /trunk/src/whiteboard/manager.cpp: Whiteboard: fixed a freeze bug with the mutexes.
20100702 06:22:47< CIA-87> gabba * r43832 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (side_actions.cpp side_actions.hpp): Whiteboard: move actions that don't finish to the end of the queue
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20100702 06:57:26< CIA-87> billynux * r43833 /trunk/src/ana/ (api/stats.hpp api/timers.hpp apps/chat/client.cpp): Improved ana's stats collector to use a single io_service to handle all the timers.
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20100702 08:51:36< Ivanovic> moin
20100702 08:58:26< CIA-87> gabba * r43834 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 5 dirs): 'Fixes' for compilation in release mode. Some variables were used only in asserts, and a method missed a return path.
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20100702 09:02:07< gabba> Ivanovic: ^hope this commit is ok. It's full of workarounds, but I really needed to do a release build, and it'll get people to clean up their act.
20100702 09:14:25< billynux> aaand, with this I'm off -v
20100702 09:14:53< CIA-87> billynux * r43835 /trunk/src/ (ana/api/stats.hpp ana/apps/chat/client.cpp network_ana.cpp): Working on receiving packets from the main server through ana.
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20100702 09:15:39< Ivanovic> gabba: uhm, good question, next one please!
20100702 09:15:41< Ivanovic> ;)
20100702 09:16:04< Ivanovic> gabba: do both, the usual debug as well as release build still work for you?
20100702 09:16:37< gabba> yes, I built and executed both before committing
20100702 09:17:41< gabba> anyways the changes can't cause problems, the way I wrote them. They're just not elegant :P.
20100702 09:17:57< Ivanovic> :)
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20100702 09:43:45< timotei> morning guys
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20100702 10:08:29< zookeeper> Espreon, what were you asking about "The 'zed' word."?
20100702 10:14:47< zookeeper> well, you might want to take into account that it's a reference to something where it's clearly pronounced as 'zed'.
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20100702 10:16:44< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotUsingTheZWord, top quote
20100702 10:16:53< shadowmaster> Espreon: ^
20100702 10:17:21< shadowmaster> and I don't think there are other ways to pronounce Z other than "zed"?
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20100702 10:18:16< shadowmaster> ohhh. US english pronounces it like "zi" :/
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20100702 10:31:53< timotei> zookeeper: can there be in a campaign both [scenario] and [multiplayer] scenarios?
20100702 10:33:00< timotei> wesbot: seen fendrin ?
20100702 10:33:00< wesbot> timotei: The person with the nick fendrin last spoke 23h 55m ago.  17m 25s ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth, #wesnoth-de and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Remote host closed the connection
20100702 10:33:09< timotei> oh great
20100702 10:39:57< zookeeper> timotei, they're both top-level tags, so why not
20100702 10:40:17< zookeeper> but i'm not sure if you can advance from a [scenario] to a [multiplayer] or vice versa
20100702 10:41:19< timotei> ok
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20100702 10:41:37< timotei> while fendrin is coming back what's you opiniong about the following:
20100702 10:42:28< timotei> the UMC plugin will have wizards, what's better: have a "scenario" wizard, and in that one you can select multiplayer/scenario/test/tutorial or different wizards for those?
20100702 10:42:43< timotei> aka: multiplayer wizard, scenario wizard, test wizard, tutorial wizard
20100702 10:45:28< timotei> great... need to compile boost libraries
20100702 10:45:30< timotei> Upthorn: hey
20100702 10:45:31< zookeeper> hmmh
20100702 10:45:33< timotei> Upthorn: around?
20100702 10:45:57< zookeeper> timotei, i'd think you should have a different wizard for MP and SP, but seems a bit useless to have one for test or tutorial
20100702 10:47:32< timotei> zookeeper: useless in the wa that they are "not" used?
20100702 10:47:35< Upthorn> timotei: yeah, what's up?
20100702 10:47:38< timotei> or not so much
20100702 10:47:49< zookeeper> of course the MP and SP wizards would mostly be similar; the only real differences are in the MP-specific side properties ( http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SideWML )
20100702 10:47:55< timotei> Upthorn: I need to compile wesnoth on windows, and unfortunately I don't have: libboost_date_time-vc90-mt-1_42.lib'
20100702 10:48:03< timotei> Upthorn: do you have it so you can send it to me?:)
20100702 10:48:07< Upthorn> um
20100702 10:48:22< timotei> I'm on a slower notebook, and it would take a lot to compile boost
20100702 10:48:32< Upthorn> I do have it, but my connection isn't so great. let me see if I can find the link where I got it
20100702 10:48:47< timotei> ok;)
20100702 10:48:57< timotei> well it depends on how much (in MB ) it is.
20100702 10:49:01< timotei> brb food
20100702 10:49:17< zookeeper> timotei, well, i don't really see why anyone would need to use the wizard to create a [tutorial] or [test] with the wizard? sure you can support them if you want, nothing wrong with that, but i don't think it really matters if you don't.
20100702 10:49:49< zookeeper> (well, might make sense to be able to make test scenarios so that you can have a test scenario for how well the plug-in works)
20100702 10:50:40< Upthorn> timotei: ftp://ftp.terraninfo.net/wesnoth/msvc9/external.tar.gz
20100702 10:51:26< zookeeper> but IMO [tutorial] seems entirely redundant in the first place. AFAICT there's no reason why we couldn't just replace the current "[tutorial] id=tutorial" with "[scenario] id=tutorial"
20100702 10:51:33< Upthorn> all of the external libs that don't come with the svn project
20100702 10:51:38< zookeeper> of course i might be missing something
20100702 10:54:03< shadowmaster> I'd say you are missing something.
20100702 10:54:08< shadowmaster> the second scenario has a different id.
20100702 10:54:34< shadowmaster> I suppose [tutorial]s are treated as part of an implicit campaign which is only triggered by the Tutorial button in the menu
20100702 10:56:30< zookeeper> yeah, but the button could just trigger the [scenario] with id=tutorial
20100702 10:56:42< zookeeper> i don't see why there needs to be a differently named [tutorial] tag for it
20100702 10:57:23< shadowmaster> I thinkk it'd make more sense for there to be a separate [campaign] with id=tutorial, and scenarios named in any fashion
20100702 10:59:15< shadowmaster> a UMC could have some kind of tutorial-style scenario, and I don't see much gain from denying the coders the possibility of using "tutorial" as a scenario id.
20100702 10:59:25< zookeeper> maybe, but seems pretty redundant too; why have a [campaign] if it's just a wrapper for first_scenario? you wouldn't ever see the campaign menu item for that.
20100702 11:00:49< shadowmaster> hm.
20100702 11:01:08< shadowmaster> actually, there's not even a need to reserve a campaign id or scenario id.
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20100702 11:02:18< shadowmaster> the thing that wesnoth really does is define the TUTORIAL symbol and reparse stuff - data/_main.cfg in the distribution has conditionals for including the tutorial scenarios and such.
20100702 11:02:46< shadowmaster> so I can't see any excuse for having [tutorial].
20100702 11:02:47< timotei> back
20100702 11:03:24< timotei> Upthorn: yeah, I have that archive too, but it doesn't contain that file for boost:|
20100702 11:04:05< timotei> Upthorn: since Crab_ uploaded that file, things have changed :D
20100702 11:04:31< Upthorn> huh
20100702 11:04:50< Upthorn> my boost stuff is all tangled up with the other dependencies
20100702 11:05:09< timotei> from the wiki: last one checked and known to work: trunk r42476 (Wed, May 5th, 2010) 
20100702 11:05:42< timotei> well, I've checked out the .zip file not the .tar.gz, let'see if tar.gz has the file
20100702 11:05:58< CIA-87> ivanovic * r43836 /trunk/po/wesnoth-manpages/zh_TW.po: fixed broken markup in Chinese (Traditional) translation
20100702 11:06:22< CIA-87> ivanovic * r43837 /branches/1.8/po/wesnoth-manpages/zh_TW.po: fixed broken markup in Chinese (Traditional) translation
20100702 11:06:28< Upthorn> huh, I just noticed
20100702 11:06:41< timotei> the .tar.gz doesn't exist:D
20100702 11:06:47< timotei> ftp://ftp.terraninfo.net/wesnoth/msvc9/
20100702 11:06:52< Upthorn> I don't have libboost_date_time-vc90-mt-1_42.lib, either
20100702 11:06:57< timotei> lol
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20100702 11:07:19< CIA-87> ivanovic * r43838 /branches/1.8/ (25 files in 24 dirs): 
20100702 11:07:20< CIA-87> pot-update (reference update only, no new/changed strings)
20100702 11:07:20< CIA-87> regenerated doc files
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20100702 11:07:30< shadowmaster> blargh.
20100702 11:07:38< shadowmaster> the kernel spontaneously panicked while I was typing a fgrep command.
20100702 11:07:39< Upthorn> I've only got regex, zlibs, iostreams
20100702 11:07:50< shadowmaster> never had anything like this before.
20100702 11:07:59< timotei> well this is weird, I've generated the msvc9 project with Crab_'s method
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20100702 11:08:20< timotei> Upthorn: is the: "projectfiles/VC9/" files up-to-date?
20100702 11:08:22< Ivanovic> AI0867, eleazar_, esr, Espreon, happygrue_, Rhonda, shadowmaster, Soliton, timotei, Upthorn, zookeeper, Sirp, everyone else who cares: what do you think about releasing 1.8.3 tomorrow or on sunday?
20100702 11:08:32< Ivanovic> any blockers, issues, commits pending?
20100702 11:08:45 * Soliton got nothing.
20100702 11:08:48< shadowmaster> neither.
20100702 11:09:06< Ivanovic> zookeeper: strange bug: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?16211
20100702 11:09:15< Upthorn> timotei: it is as of like tuesday
20100702 11:09:17< AI0867> I got nothing either
20100702 11:09:44< shadowmaster> interesting
20100702 11:09:55< Ivanovic> regarding the changes i have seen so far since 1.8.2 i think that it will mainly be a translation update release
20100702 11:10:05< Rhonda> Ivanovic: I stopped caring.
20100702 11:10:08< shadowmaster> it seems like the game uses the "scenario" "multiplayer "tutorial" distinction for statistic uploads purposes
20100702 11:10:16< Ivanovic> Rhonda: why?
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20100702 11:11:27< shadowmaster> so statistics are not uploaded for "multiplayer" scenarios, and also the "The End" screen is skipped for those
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20100702 11:12:25< shadowmaster> besides that it appears that the "scenario " "tutorial" distinction is only used for labelling save games in the left panel of the Load/Save game dialog
20100702 11:13:12< shadowmaster> my poor web browser cache.
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20100702 11:20:49< CIA-87> ivanovic * r43839 /branches/1.8/ (changelog players_changelog): make sure that all the changes are in the changelogs
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20100702 11:22:03< Ivanovic> zookeeper: have you seen this patch? https://gna.org/patch/?1669
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20100702 11:29:27< zookeeper> Ivanovic, yes, i talked to boucman about it on irc back then
20100702 11:29:42< zookeeper> but i guess it's still assigned to me, i'll fix...
20100702 11:29:45< Ivanovic> zookeeper: a short note in the report might sense
20100702 11:29:48< Ivanovic> ;)
20100702 11:35:30< timotei21> Ivanovic: if we're releasing 1.8.3 tomorrow or on sunday, that means I can't commit anything?
20100702 11:36:00< Ivanovic> timotei21: to branches/1.8
20100702 11:36:07< Ivanovic> trunk does not matter for this release at all
20100702 11:36:29< timotei21> oh, ok then
20100702 11:36:58< zookeeper> Ivanovic, sunday sounds good to me. i probably want to port some campaign balancing tweaks to 1.8 before that.
20100702 11:37:43< zookeeper> but if you want to release on saturday then that's ok too
20100702 11:39:01< zookeeper> Ivanovic, i haven't looked at the trident bug yet (sounds like an engine bug though) what with the horrible trunk loading times which make testing very painful
20100702 11:40:21< Ivanovic> zookeeper: take your time
20100702 11:40:33< Ivanovic> yeah, trunk needs ages over here to create the cache
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20100702 12:47:29< timotei21> zookeeper: so, [era] is related to multiplayer and not to single player?
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20100702 13:03:53< timotei21> zookeeper: based on what I've read in the wiki, the [campaign] is mandatory for single player. what about for multiplayer?
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20100702 13:17:16< zookeeper> timotei, yes, [era] describes an era, and eras are a MP-only concept
20100702 13:18:02< timotei> and what is for [era] like it is [scenario] for [campaign]?
20100702 13:18:20< zookeeper> and you don't need a [campaign] for MP campaigns; MP campaigns are started by picking the first scenario from the MP scenario list
20100702 13:18:40< zookeeper> not sure what you're asking; rephrase?
20100702 13:20:06< timotei> well, for a [scenario] you need first a [campaign]
20100702 13:20:19< timotei> so basically, you create a wesnoth campaign (a project) and in it you add scenarios, etc
20100702 13:20:23< zookeeper> yeah
20100702 13:20:43< zookeeper> eras and MP scenarios don't technically have anything to do with each other. you pick the era and scenario separately in the MP game creation screen
20100702 13:22:30< timotei> so, in the MP screen, you could choose to start either a [multiplayer] or an [era]
20100702 13:22:56< zookeeper> no, you need to pick both the era and the scenario
20100702 13:23:03< zookeeper> era is just a set of factions, nothing else
20100702 13:23:19< timotei> well, I think I'll have to play a bit to see those things :D
20100702 13:23:30< timotei> I can't fully get them from wiki/examples
20100702 13:23:33< zookeeper> err, yeah, if you haven't taken a look at how MP works yet, i suggest you do so :p
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20100702 13:53:27< timotei> zookeeper: "Join official server" is good enough to see how MP works?
20100702 13:53:33< timotei> or I should try creating local game?
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20100702 14:03:11< timotei> hi Crab_  :)
20100702 14:03:47< Crab_> hi, timotei
20100702 14:04:40< timotei> do you have by chance libboost_date_time-vc90-mt-1_42.lib in your wesnoth's lib folder?
20100702 14:05:44< Crab_> no, I'm eating my own dogfood - zlib, iostreams, regex
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20100702 14:07:06< timotei> the generated msvc project doesn't find it, don't know why it was set as a requirement
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20100702 14:27:03< timotei> zookeeper: if the user creates custom [multiplayer] where should that be put?
20100702 14:27:20< timotei> wesnothuserdir/add-ons/multiplayer ?
20100702 14:28:45< Soliton> same place as all add-ons go.
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20100702 14:29:48< zookeeper> local game is good enough and yes, the same place all add-ons go
20100702 14:30:29< zookeeper> that is usually add-ons/myaddon/_main.cfg, but i think add-ons/foo.cfg works too nowadays
20100702 14:30:49< zookeeper> (for local testing, that is)
20100702 14:30:50< timotei> ok
20100702 14:31:41< zookeeper> a wizard should probably create add-ons/myaddon/_main.cfg and make it include add-ons/myaddon/scenarios/myscenario.cfg inside an #ifdef MULTIPLAYER
20100702 14:32:26< timotei> fendrin: about the multiplayer wizard... should we enforce the user creating a directory?
20100702 14:32:48< fendrin> timotei: yes, I think so.
20100702 14:32:55< timotei> good enough
20100702 14:33:09< fendrin> timotei: at least if the wizard is named "multiplayer campaign"
20100702 14:33:39< fendrin> for "multiplayer single scenario" a directory won't be needed.
20100702 14:34:00< Soliton> the standard for addons should be in a dir with _main.cfg etc.
20100702 14:35:09< timotei> the problem with "single" file is eclipse can't handle that:(
20100702 14:35:14< timotei> it needs a container
20100702 14:35:37< timotei> should we "import" the userdir/data/add-ons as a directory when the user uses first time the plugin?
20100702 14:35:59< timotei> so basically in eclipse you'll have the userdir addons directory, and other projects (campaigns)
20100702 14:36:31< fendrin> we should import at least the base units and terrain etc.
20100702 14:36:51< fendrin> and the addons as well.
20100702 14:37:08< fendrin> so the coder has access to extra units from scratch.
20100702 14:38:19< fendrin> music
20100702 14:38:24< fendrin> items 
20100702 14:38:26< fendrin> etc
20100702 14:39:16< fendrin> but I am not sure if the campaigns should be imported as a project for each.
20100702 14:39:46< fendrin> It may be a good idea. Just to give the user some hint what he just started.
20100702 14:39:57< timotei> well then, on first time use we will prompt the user of setting the basic directory
20100702 14:40:09< timotei> one would be: userdir/data/add-ons
20100702 14:40:28< timotei> and the other one: maingame/data/core ?
20100702 14:40:32< fendrin> and the datadir to the core
20100702 14:40:35< fendrin> :-)
20100702 14:40:36< timotei> good
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20100702 14:44:10< timotei> ok, tested right now, and it works loading a single [multiplayer] file
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20100702 15:07:50< fendrin> timotei: I think it is okay when a single file containing a multiplayer scenario converts into a project that contains a directory.
20100702 15:10:24< timotei> fendrin: so when the user creates a multiplayer scenario, in a "new", or non-existing project, we should create it?
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20100702 15:14:55< timotei> god, git is acting so stupid:|
20100702 15:16:17< loonycyborg> It isn't called 'git' for nothing :P
20100702 15:16:49< timotei> well, I was assuming since a file is in .gitignore it should rEALLY ignore it, but that doesn't work with versioned files 
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20100702 15:17:51< timotei> but found this info: http://www.pagebakers.nl/2009/01/29/git-ignoring-changes-in-tracked-files/
20100702 15:18:24< Soliton> not sure if there is a versioning system that does that different.
20100702 15:18:48< Soliton> why do you want to ignore a versioned file?
20100702 15:18:48< timotei> maybe my way of seeing this was wrong?:D
20100702 15:21:23< timotei> Soliton: I've made modification on a projectfile, but that was only for me
20100702 15:21:30< timotei> the visual studio's projectfile
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20100702 15:25:30< Soliton> is there no include functionility or other external customization possibilities in that build system?
20100702 15:25:54< timotei> in which way?
20100702 15:26:01< timotei> I've modified the path where the .exe should spawn
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20100702 15:33:34< Soliton> in the way that you don't have to modify the project file.
20100702 15:33:49< timotei> oh, well
20100702 15:34:08< Soliton> like there is configure for autotools etc.
20100702 15:50:50< timotei> Soliton: well, you can change the path where the binary is compiled without altering the cmakelists.txt?
20100702 15:50:52< timotei> or the cmake file?
20100702 15:51:42< Soliton> no idea, i use scons.
20100702 15:52:05< timotei> ok
20100702 15:52:24< timotei> wow, it takes so much to create the cache:-<
20100702 16:04:32< timotei> zookeeper: ok, I think I got the idea
20100702 16:04:49< timotei> and multiplayer is much more like a single scenario but multiplayer
20100702 16:05:08< timotei> and an era is a way of ... "which" faction are you (like is in starcraft: human, zerg, protoss) 
20100702 16:05:09< timotei> right?
20100702 16:05:23< zookeeper> yes, an era is a set of factions
20100702 16:05:40< timotei> so is more related to units isn't it?
20100702 16:06:01< timotei> but only in Multiplayer context
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20100702 16:07:40< zookeeper> well, yes, since a faction is just a set of leaders and recruitable units :p
20100702 16:07:52< timotei> good
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20100702 17:35:49< Upthorn> hrm, can anyone help me with the error I am getting when wesnoth tries to parse my gui layout config?
20100702 17:37:01< Upthorn> I am trying to place three columns side-by-side in a row, and I get the message "Dev message: Condition 'col == cols' failed at src\gui\auxiliary\window_builder.cpp:468 in function 'gui2::tbuilder_grid::tbuilder_grid'."
20100702 17:41:59< Upthorn> nevermind, figured it out... I think
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20100702 17:43:46< Upthorn> this [grid] [row] [column] stuff is hard for me to visualize in my head. It would be really helpful if there were some graphical GUI2 config builder
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20100702 19:02:08< Elvish_Pillager> so, I hear that a side's team_name can now be a comma-separated list. Is there any convenient way to tell whether two units are on the same team?
20100702 19:03:30< zookeeper> not really, no
20100702 19:04:15< zookeeper> ...since [variable] contains= can go wrong with north/northwest/northeast etc
20100702 19:04:37< Elvish_Pillager> contains= wouldn't even make it easy, since it goes both ways
20100702 19:04:49< Elvish_Pillager> e.g. "north,east" doesn't contain "south,east" and vice versa
20100702 19:05:01< zookeeper> right, of course
20100702 19:05:17< Elvish_Pillager> so I'd have to [split] it and iterate both lists to check for equality
20100702 19:05:46< zookeeper> well, you can also create a dummy unit and use [if] [have_unit] [filter_adjacent] is_enemy=
20100702 19:06:02< Elvish_Pillager> oh. let me see that
20100702 19:06:06< CIA-87> eleazar * r43840 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/maps/ (8 files): Further terrain enhancements to HttT.
20100702 19:06:29< Elvish_Pillager> ...wow, it only works in [filter_adjacent]? :/
20100702 19:06:51< Elvish_Pillager> yeah, that's not remotely a good idea - there might not even be an empty hex next to the unit
20100702 19:07:41< zookeeper> if there isn't, you can store one of the units and then put it back :p
20100702 19:08:10< Elvish_Pillager> When I have the option to NOT do something that can occasionally make a gameplay change, I'll take that option
20100702 19:08:25< zookeeper> huh? that wouldn't make gameplay changes
20100702 19:08:41< Elvish_Pillager> Storing a unit and unstoring it with advance=false can still change it in rare cases
20100702 19:08:51< zookeeper> how?
20100702 19:08:54< Elvish_Pillager> like if it was on the map without attacks and didn't have an object removing them
20100702 19:09:01< Elvish_Pillager> I think you can get to that state somehow
20100702 19:09:10< zookeeper> right
20100702 19:11:02< Elvish_Pillager> hmm, on further consideration, I don't know any way to get a unit to that state
20100702 19:13:31< Elvish_Pillager> Meh. I'll just make Circle of Protection hate allies again for now.
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20100702 19:45:33< Elvish_Pillager> Hmm, this seems wrong...
20100702 19:45:53< Elvish_Pillager> I have an attack special that, on attack, multiplies both sides' damage by 0.34.
20100702 19:46:17< Elvish_Pillager> I'm attacking a Red Mage with a Lich, so the defender has an 8-4 base attack that the lich takes 1.2x damage from
20100702 19:46:23< Elvish_Pillager> and it comes out to 2-4.
20100702 19:46:42< Elvish_Pillager> When I increase the red mage's damage to 9-4, it calculates 4-4.
20100702 19:46:42< Gambit> Are we not supposed to put hyphens in variable names?
20100702 19:47:25< Elvish_Pillager> Gambit: I would assume we're not supposed to
20100702 19:47:28< Gambit> Said variables are not saved properly.
20100702 19:47:40< zookeeper> correct, AFAIK
20100702 19:48:05< Elvish_Pillager> "A given variable name may contain only alphabetic characters, digits, and underscores." - VariablesWML
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20100702 19:49:04< Elvish_Pillager> ...so, is it rounding _down_ the modification given by my attack special? Despite the fact that 8*0.34 > 2.5?
20100702 19:49:33< Elvish_Pillager> I was under the impression that the attack calculations were only supposed to round at the end
20100702 19:55:13< Elvish_Pillager> Confirmed: Weapon specials that multiply damage by a fractional value always round down immediately afterwards, regardless of the fraction remaining or whether the damage was increased or reduced.
20100702 19:56:19< Elvish_Pillager> And the rounding-down off a *0.34 special can be effectively up to 3 damage off the original attack strength :(
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20100702 20:04:40< Elvish_Pillager> I can't even add 1.5 to it first in order to make it round to nearest.
20100702 20:05:52< Elvish_Pillager> I suppose I could multiply by 2, add 3, and then multiply by 0.34.
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20100702 20:17:11< Elvish_Pillager> ...whoops I can't do that EITHER
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20100702 21:00:14< timotei> fendrin: around?
20100702 21:03:01< timotei> zookeeper: in the: userdir/data can be put things?
20100702 21:03:07< timotei> besides the add-ons directory?
20100702 21:05:22< zookeeper> timotei, maybe, but i don't recommend it
20100702 21:05:46< timotei> I'm just thinking of what to import in the plugin :P
20100702 21:05:54< zookeeper> partially because other locations are simply not used for anything (except for a default save path for the map editor)
20100702 21:06:06< timotei> ok, then userdir/data/add-ons/ is where all UMC *should* be put
20100702 21:06:09< timotei> right?
20100702 21:06:20< zookeeper> and partially because presumably you want the plug-in to create content that's uploadable to the add-on server..
20100702 21:06:23< zookeeper> yeah
20100702 21:06:25< timotei> god
20100702 21:06:27< timotei> good*
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20100702 21:09:28< timotei> zookeeper: while fendrin comes back, what's your opinion about this:
20100702 21:10:16< timotei> in the preferences, should I just prompt the user for wesnoth's dir (that contains, the binary, data/, and wmltools) or should I split between separate ones
20100702 21:10:52< timotei> currently we have options for: executable's path, working directory, wmltools and user dir
20100702 21:13:26< zookeeper> umm, i guess i don't have an opinion on that
20100702 21:13:45< timotei> ok :D
20100702 21:20:01< eleazar_> zookeeper: around?
20100702 21:20:40< zookeeper> eleazar_, yeah
20100702 21:21:05< eleazar_> did you see my bug report on the holy water in HttT not working?
20100702 21:21:29< eleazar_> zookeeper: also the trident in ford of abez doesn't do anything
20100702 21:21:57< zookeeper> eleazar_, yes, but i haven't been doing anything with trunk lately because of the horrible loading times
20100702 21:23:16< eleazar_> that bad huh?
20100702 21:23:44< eleazar_> OK, i'll file another report for Ford of Abez
20100702 21:24:12< zookeeper> about the trident? no need
20100702 21:24:20< zookeeper> clearly it's the same bug as in BoP
20100702 21:24:36< eleazar_> Bop worked for me last time i tried it
20100702 21:24:51< eleazar_> -- though possible that was still 1.8
20100702 21:25:03< zookeeper> er, wait, can you check whether the trident was given to konrad in abez?
20100702 21:25:11< zookeeper> since that's what the BoP report says happened
20100702 21:25:30< eleazar_> sure, just a sec
20100702 21:25:43< eleazar_> ha!  he does have the trident
20100702 21:26:10< zookeeper> ok, then it's the same bug, no need for a duplicate report...
20100702 21:26:16< eleazar_> i'll check if the same thing is happening in vally of death
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20100702 21:27:37< eleazar_> yep, same problem in Valley of Death
20100702 21:28:43< [Relic]> Hello :)
20100702 21:28:53< timotei> hi [Relic] 
20100702 21:29:02< [Relic]> :)
20100702 21:32:29< eleazar_> closed my duplicate bug report
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20100702 21:43:23< timotei> hey fendrin 
20100702 21:44:56< fendrin> hi timotei
20100702 21:45:08< timotei>  what's your opinion about this:
20100702 21:45:11< timotei> in the preferences, should I just prompt the user for wesnoth's dir (that contains, the binary, data/, and wmltools) or should I split between separate ones
20100702 21:45:20< timotei> currently we have options for: executable's path, working directory, wmltools and user dir
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20100702 22:59:26< Espreon> shadowmaster; zookeeper: "Izzard" is the ultimate pronunciation of the letter.
20100702 23:00:41< shadowmaster> that's ridiculous and whoever does that should be shot in the head.
20100702 23:01:06 * shadowmaster shoots Espreon in the head.
20100702 23:03:11< Espreon> But, it's so friggin' hilarious.
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20100702 23:26:00< billynux> hey Crab_ 
20100702 23:26:07< Crab_> hi, billynux
20100702 23:26:09< CIA-87> billynux * r43841 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Dealing with connection handshake to server in ana.
20100702 23:26:54< billynux> Crab_, I'm dealing with the connection part to the server
20100702 23:27:38< billynux> The connection handshake protocol is a bit of a problem to me
20100702 23:28:00< Crab_> what is the problem ?
20100702 23:28:11< billynux> the server answers with your  connection number
20100702 23:28:37< billynux> and ana expects every message to come preceded by the size of the next message
20100702 23:29:02< billynux> so I read 642449408 (the conn. no.), and then expect to read that amount of bytes :)
20100702 23:29:17< Crab_> ah
20100702 23:29:29< billynux> so... I'm guessing I should add mix modes to ana
20100702 23:29:50< billynux> It should work just fine if the server is compiled with ana
20100702 23:30:02< Crab_> so, it won't be compatible with the old server ? or you'll add something like a flag to use the 'legacy mode' ?
20100702 23:30:14< billynux> I'll add raw data mode or something
20100702 23:30:56< billynux> or methods like read_int32, etc...
20100702 23:31:19< billynux> I'll have to deal with adding a dialog for proxy config. options soon
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