--- Log opened Thu Jul 15 00:00:55 2010
20100715 00:03:01< alink> boucman: if you had sometimes weird behavior with layer 0 or -1 , maybe check after r44163 which fix the numerical error (the usual rounding of negative number thing)
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20100715 00:04:31< alink> I didn't see any visible changes but it is possible that some terrain macros may use one (in case there is foreground/background error)
20100715 00:07:03< alink> IIRC when debugging, some rules using dirt.png road.ong and cobbles-keep.png were affected. I suppose it's used by keep/castles
20100715 00:08:19< alink> btw the next commit r44164 rewrote the whole thing, but shouldn't change anything compared to r44163 (which exists only to highlight the bug)
20100715 00:08:30< Crab_> ok, wiki should be in readwrite mode by now.
20100715 00:14:07< alink> boucman: also, r44165 (new command :foreground) should help to spot forgeground/background error
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20100715 00:27:44< Crab_> can any with a user (non sysop) account on the wiki check that the wiki pages are editable at the moment ? (just do a dummy edit, changing something minor)
20100715 00:28:53< alink> Crab_: am I a simple user ?
20100715 00:29:27< Crab_> alink: yes
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20100715 00:30:04< alink> Crab_: ok I will fix a link
20100715 00:30:12< alink> or try to
20100715 00:31:43< alink> Crab_: worked : http://wiki.wesnoth.org/index.php?title=TerrainGraphicsWML&action=history
20100715 00:31:48< Crab_> thanks!
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20100715 00:42:54< CIA-87> alink * r44163 /trunk/src/builder.cpp: 
20100715 00:42:55< CIA-87> Fix an off-by-1 error with terrain's layer which sometimes could incorrectly
20100715 00:42:56< CIA-87> put images in background instead of foreground.
20100715 00:43:45< CIA-87> I didn't see any visible change but possibly fixes or introduces bug with
20100715 00:43:45< CIA-87> terrain rules using layer around 0.
20100715 00:43:48< CIA-87> alink * r44164 /trunk/src/ (builder.cpp builder.hpp): Clean and optimize code sorting terrain layer.
20100715 00:43:51< CIA-87> alink * r44165 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20100715 00:43:52< CIA-87> New debug command ":foreground" useful to better separate background and foreground
20100715 00:43:53< CIA-87> terrains and spot any error there. Currently use an half-transparent layer of snow
20100715 00:44:30< CIA-87> recovering the background, but a more flashy image may be needed (edit terrain/foreground.png).
20100715 00:46:54< eleazar__> alink: what exactly does :foreground do?
20100715 00:47:10< eleazar__> replace the base layer with snow?
20100715 00:47:40< alink> eleazar__: adding a layer between back and fore, I'll post a srceenshot
20100715 00:48:41< alink> it already shows a lot of weird things
20100715 00:48:59< alink> http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2041/foreground.png
20100715 00:49:45< alink> this should allow to detect more easily bugs only visible which big units
20100715 00:49:51< eleazar__> interesting
20100715 00:50:08< alink> I was tired to move my yeti on each hexes ;-p
20100715 00:50:18< eleazar__> how exaclty does it distinguish between "forground " and "background?
20100715 00:50:20< alink> s/which/with
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20100715 00:51:32< alink> the game actually render only 2 layers of terrains foreground and background(each having many stacked images) I render my snow between them
20100715 00:51:49< alink> where units are rendered too
20100715 00:52:36< alink> it's the same as drawing a lot of hexagonal yetis 
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20100715 01:18:44< CIA-87> eleazar * r44166 /trunk/data/core/images/terrain/foreground.png: cooler looking foreground mask tile.
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20100715 01:25:41< alink> eleazar__: thanks, more clear like that, esp. if someone wanted to debug snowed terrains ;)
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20100715 01:27:13< eleazar__> i'm compiling-- the layer fix sounds promising.
20100715 01:27:58< alink>  the layer fix ?
20100715 01:28:13< eleazar__> r44163 
20100715 01:29:16< alink> maybe, I couldn't spot any obvious changes, but I had not yet :foreground
20100715 01:30:16< alink> at least, it will make things more consistent, since adding 1 only in some rare numerical cases is an annoying glitch
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20100715 01:53:28< alink> about the off-by-1,  my debug output for test-scenario http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/0dmmdQC4
20100715 01:54:41< alink> terrain/castle/cobbles-keep.png old: fore (layer=0) new: back (layer=-1)
20100715 01:55:42< alink> means that a rule using this image seems to go from foreground to background, because of the off-by-one error on layer
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20100715 02:04:18< alink> ok I see the error
20100715 02:04:35< alink> but it's invisible for user
20100715 02:05:21< alink> because the part going from foreground to background is a transparent part
20100715 02:05:30< alink> I'll post a screenshot to illustrate
20100715 02:09:05< alink> http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3609/cobblesbug.png
20100715 02:09:53< alink> i added red in the corner of the cobbles hex image and it showed on foreground of the yeti
20100715 02:10:02< alink> now it's in background
20100715 02:11:01< alink> http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/2246/cobblesbug2.png
20100715 02:11:31< alink> note the swamp too
20100715 02:11:54< CIA-87> billynux * r44167 /trunk/src/network_ana.cpp: Fixes a bug in ana due to upload_log creating a manager object for no other reason than to signal network usage.
20100715 02:12:42< alink> this is probably caused by the base.y stuff
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20100715 05:12:15< Espreon> alink: Around?
20100715 05:12:48< alink> yes but a bit busy 
20100715 05:13:01< Espreon> Oh, I see. The preprocessor is being mean to me.
20100715 05:13:17< Espreon> When I try to load my campaign, the game segfaults.
20100715 05:13:45< alink> I am probably not the good person for debugging that.
20100715 05:14:00< Espreon> Damn it, and silene's comp isn't good for compiling Wesnoth.
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20100715 05:14:21< alink> if it's your campain, it's probably caused by your WML
20100715 05:14:27< Espreon> IT SEGFAULTS!
20100715 05:14:36< alink> find which WML line cause it will helps a lot
20100715 05:14:50< Espreon> WML isn't supposed to be able to cause the game to segfault.
20100715 05:15:02< Espreon> Hold on...
20100715 05:15:07< alink> we already know that something is wrong
20100715 05:16:00< alink> in any cases, the person debugging that will need your test case, so make it as simple as possible
20100715 05:16:03< Espreon> alink: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/The_Silver_Lands/?view=tar ... Look at macros/abilities.cfg
20100715 05:16:24< Espreon> I suspect it has to do with things like FIERY_TERRAIN.
20100715 05:16:46< Espreon> If I put stuff in those, the game will bitch about unexpected characters before segfaulting.
20100715 05:17:01< alink> what is this heavy link ?
20100715 05:17:06< Espreon> They're just supposed to contain terrain codes.
20100715 05:17:15< Espreon> alink: My campaign.
20100715 05:17:41< shadowmaster> a tarball of his campaign
20100715 05:18:51< alink> Espreon: empty macro, what's the point ?
20100715 05:19:07< alink> <Espreon> I suspect it has to do with things like FIERY_TERRAIN. <- then remove them and retry
20100715 05:19:14< Espreon> Fine.
20100715 05:19:33< alink> anyway, as I said, a bit busy for such hunt
20100715 05:24:17< Espreon> God damn it.
20100715 05:27:18< alink> maybe replace FIERY_TERRAIN by  terrain="" or terrain="bla"
20100715 05:27:40< alink> I mean put that in the macro, after the #define
20100715 05:27:41< Espreon> No, it's only supposed to contain codes. But, I don't think that those are the problems for the segfault.
20100715 05:27:59< Espreon> Hold on, lemme screw around.
20100715 05:34:16< CIA-87> billynux * r44168 /trunk/src/network_ana.cpp: Cleaned the old bandwidth code from network_ana.cpp.
20100715 05:44:41< Espreon> alink: OK, I honestly have no idea what's causing it. I even reverted my campaign to a state that definitely used to work... so... I guess that something broke in the preprocessor. IDK.
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20100715 05:47:08< alink> perhaps also revert src to confirm that ^
20100715 05:47:29< alink> and then bisect
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20100715 05:49:02< alink> a backtrace is also useful to debug segfault
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20100715 09:46:45< timotei> morning
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20100715 10:12:45< Ivanovic> moin
20100715 10:14:13< timotei> fendrin: hi fendrin 
20100715 10:14:22< fendrin> timotei: hi
20100715 10:17:23< timotei> fendrin: have you managed to complete the evaluation?
20100715 10:17:38< timotei> fendrin: there was a message on the students mailling list to "verify" this
20100715 10:18:08< fendrin> timotei: No, not now. Crab reviewed your code and wasn't that pleased. He found to many bugs.
20100715 10:18:25< timotei> oh
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20100715 10:20:11< fendrin> timotei: But don't worry, we will still mark you pass. It's just that I have to write additional comments. And crab suggested that we reduce the number of tasks to make sure the project is successful.
20100715 10:20:53< timotei> fendrin: I'm sorry things weren't so good. Was my bad because I've had to take an exam twice, and didn't have enough time to work good on the project.
20100715 10:21:10< timotei> fendrin: but anyways, I'll rewrite some parts of code, cause I know there can be many improvements:)
20100715 10:21:45< timotei> fendrin: today or tomorrow I'll get my notebook back
20100715 10:22:17< fendrin> timotei: Something in the naming format changed, so my eclipse does no longer run the project. I guess I will have to setup the thing new.
20100715 10:22:29< timotei> oh
20100715 10:22:46< timotei> well, if you follow the new readme it will be very easy. just one thing to install and you're ready to go
20100715 10:22:53< timotei> just be sure to pickup eclipse RCP
20100715 10:25:02< CIA-87> timotei * r44169 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/ (9 files in 5 dirs): eclipse plugin: add wizard for "empty project"
20100715 10:25:14< CIA-87> timotei * r44170 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): eclipse plugin: add "upload addon" menu entry for containers
20100715 10:25:26< CIA-87> timotei * r44171 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/ (7 files in 4 dirs): eclipse plugin: add menu entry for starting the campaign in the game
20100715 10:25:38< CIA-87> timotei * r44172 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: update the Visual studio project file
20100715 10:25:54< CIA-87> timotei * r44173 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/ (86 files in 17 dirs): eclipse plugin: added LICENSE to files
20100715 10:26:19< CIA-87> timotei * r44174 /trunk/src/game.cpp: fix the "-c" command line option when there are errors loading the game data
20100715 10:26:30< CIA-87> timotei * r44175 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/ (6 files in 3 dirs): eclipse plugin: add menu entry for opening campaign in game from a file
20100715 10:28:07< fendrin> timotei: I suggest that you stop implementing new features soon and begin to debug and improve quality of the already implemented stuff.
20100715 10:28:20< timotei> fendrin: yes, that's what I started right now
20100715 10:28:21< timotei> :)
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20100715 10:51:14< fendrin> timotei: Which of the folders in java contain the "three other projects" to import? There are 9 folders in there.
20100715 10:51:52< timotei> hmm
20100715 10:52:15< timotei> 9 folders? maybe you've got the old "svn"
20100715 10:52:32< timotei> you need to import:
20100715 10:52:52< timotei> eclipse_plugin, org.wesnoth.wml, org.wenoth.ui
20100715 10:56:33< timotei> good point, I need to fix the readme
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20100715 11:10:56< fendrin> timotei21: installed the 3 projects and xtext sdk
20100715 11:12:09< fendrin> timotei21: Still I get errors.
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20100715 11:12:42< fendrin> timotei21: Does it work with eclipse 3.5.2?
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20100715 11:14:32< fendrin> hi Crab_
20100715 11:14:47< Crab_> hi, fendrin
20100715 11:16:31< fendrin> Crab_: I have had to reinstall my system. But I can't bring the eclipse plugin to work in eclipse 3.5.2 with the README.
20100715 11:16:42< fendrin> Crab_: What did you do to make it work?
20100715 11:17:20< Crab_> just follow his readme
20100715 11:17:53< Crab_> download eclipse helios, 32bit linux edition, run it, install Xtext framework, import projects, run
20100715 11:18:09< fendrin> 3.5.2 is not helios?
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20100715 11:18:51< Crab_> helios is 3.6
20100715 11:18:58< Crab_> 3.5 is galileo
20100715 11:21:53< fendrin> Crab_: Okay, Thank you. I will go for 3.6.
20100715 11:22:19< Crab_> ok
20100715 11:22:25< fendrin> Must have had used 3.6 before since the wesnoth plugin worked before the reinstall.
20100715 11:24:25< Crab_> well, 3.6 is recent, maybe timotei targeted 3.5 before....
20100715 11:24:47< fendrin> Crab_: Well, my new ubuntu still comes with 3.5.2
20100715 11:28:14< fendrin> Crab_: Can you tell me about the bugs you discovered?
20100715 11:28:28< fendrin> please
20100715 11:29:59< Crab_> it's mostly the fact that many things haven't worked for me, most without any obvious error messages, some with obscure console errors
20100715 11:30:41< Crab_> also, the autogenerated campaign contained some errors in the default pre-generated path.
20100715 11:31:00< Crab_> the code completion was not fully working (it was able to suggest a few things, but only a few)
20100715 11:31:17< timotei21> sorry, I was taking a shower
20100715 11:31:45< fendrin> Crab_: That is natural. The schema.cfg isn't complete.
20100715 11:31:48< timotei21> fendrin: I used galileo (3.5) and it worked with the current.
20100715 11:31:49< Crab_> I was unable to complete some of the wizards, too (e.g., I filled everything in the unit type wizard but it hasn't allowed me to press 'finish' in it)
20100715 11:32:36< timotei21> Crab_: please be aware that the "units new wizards" was "disabled" as the schema-based wizards are in place
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20100715 11:32:51< fendrin> Crab_, timotei21: If finished isn't selectable there must be a message in red that is presented in a prominent location.
20100715 11:33:06< Crab_> I understand that the code is a work in progress )
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20100715 11:33:36< Crab_> so, basically, that's why I suggested shifting focus to making the currently 'ready' functionality smooth, bugless, easy to use and documented.
20100715 11:33:59< timotei> Crab_: code completition is in part IV or V. I currently need to make part I, II, III complete
20100715 11:34:31< Crab_> for example, the code hasn't allowed me to launch wesnoth from within the plugin (yes, I filled the path to executable)
20100715 11:34:39< fendrin> timotei: Okay, first thing that goes wrong for me. I invoke "Setup Workspace" and nothing happens.
20100715 11:34:42< timotei> fendrin, Crab_ I'll create also the README with really -step-by-step and with some pictures workflow, exampling the plugin's features
20100715 11:35:08< timotei> fendrin: so no messagebox telling you everything is ok?
20100715 11:35:15< fendrin> timotei: nope
20100715 11:35:15< Crab_> timotei: most of the things should be inside the plugin itself, I think
20100715 11:35:55< timotei> fendrin, Crab_: you were using the "wesnoth installed in eclipse" method of running the plugin?
20100715 11:36:09< timotei> or did you launched the plugin from another eclipse?
20100715 11:36:13< timotei> that is, from source code
20100715 11:36:25< Crab_> timotei: launched from source code
20100715 11:36:40< fendrin> timotei: from source
20100715 11:37:05< timotei> ok, if any "exceptions" there should be highlightinted in the "first" eclipse, from where you launched the plugin
20100715 11:37:36< timotei> actually I need to "log" every bit of "bad behaviour" I encountered
20100715 11:38:08< Crab_> timotei: I would actually suggest to postpone parts 4 and 5 till parts 1,2,3 are 'production-ready'
20100715 11:38:34< timotei> Crab_: well, there is no need to postpone, since I don't have to start working on them yet.
20100715 11:38:46< timotei> Crab_: according to schedule only starting 20 July I have to start working on them
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20100715 11:39:40< Crab_> yes, I know. but I meant that I would be a good thing if we make existing things usable, documented, and robust before starting to add the functionality in 4-5.
20100715 11:39:48< timotei> right
20100715 11:40:41< Crab_> we can help by going through the existing functionality one thing a time, and showing things that should be improved. what do you think ?
20100715 11:41:05< timotei> Crab_: I would like if you could wait for me to finish the logging part
20100715 11:41:14< Crab_> of course
20100715 11:41:19< timotei> so I won't need you to debug the program, but just copy-pasting the errors(if any)
20100715 11:41:34< fendrin> timotei: The only output (in the "root" eclipse) is 
20100715 11:41:35< fendrin> !ENTRY wesnoth_plugin 1 0 2010-07-15 11:30:33.652
20100715 11:41:37< fendrin> !MESSAGE parsing schema 
20100715 11:41:49< fendrin> (more of them)
20100715 11:41:59< timotei> fendrin: do you have... a project called "User addons"?
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20100715 11:42:53< Crab_> just make sure that you have 3-4 weeks left in the gsoc timeline for the polishing part. that would most probably push parts 4-5 outside of gsoc,
20100715 11:42:55< Crab_> .. but, you've coded lots of things already and it'll take quite a time to polish them and fix all the little things that tend to creep up
20100715 11:43:40< fendrin> timotei: The plugin is newly installed. So no preferences. I tried to set them and a message came up that told me to run "setup workspace". 
20100715 11:43:49< fendrin> first
20100715 11:43:51< timotei> right
20100715 11:44:00< fendrin> So I don't know how to proceed.
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20100715 12:29:33< fendrin> timotei21: How should I proceed when "Setup Workspace" doesn't work?
20100715 12:29:58< timotei21> fendrin: hmm, Setup workspace isn't really a mandatory step, so nothing bad happens
20100715 12:30:17< timotei21> fendrin: but I need to know why it failed
20100715 12:30:20< timotei21> fendrin: I'm thinking
20100715 12:30:51< timotei21> fendrin: wait. I think i got it
20100715 12:30:52< timotei21> :))
20100715 12:31:14< timotei21> so, nothing happens but a lot of "parsing" schema in log
20100715 12:31:41< timotei21> fendrin: I've modified something lately, and assigned the wrong command ;)
20100715 12:32:02< timotei21> so everything is "ok"
20100715 12:32:20< timotei21> fendrin: commiting a fix now
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20100715 12:33:56< CIA-87> timotei * r44178 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/README.tex: eclipse plugin: update documentation
20100715 12:34:06< CIA-87> timotei * r44179 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/plugin.xml: eclipse plugin: fix wrong assigned handler for "setup workspace" command
20100715 12:34:18< timotei21> fendrin: ^ update your sources and it will work
20100715 12:38:12< fendrin> timotei21: thank you
20100715 12:38:22< timotei21> fendrin: you're welcome
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20100715 12:44:59< fendrin> timotei: I get duplicate error messages. First it tells me to "Setup the workspace" while that is exactly what I am doing. After that a message turns up 2 times telling that I need to setup all preferences first.
20100715 12:45:22< fendrin> So it tells me to do the other thing first no matter how I start the process.
20100715 12:46:12< timotei> fendrin: so, the first thing you've done with the plugin: setup workspace. then you got: "please setup the workspace" and then "please set the preferences"?
20100715 12:46:28< fendrin> right
20100715 12:46:44< timotei> fendrin: this is weird, it should have been: set preferences/ setup workspace. 
20100715 12:46:48< timotei> fendrin: one sec, I'm checking
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20100715 13:48:06< CIA-87> timotei * r44180 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/plugin.xml: eclipse plugin: disable the "view" until it's used
20100715 13:48:14< CIA-87> timotei * r44181 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/Logger.java: eclipse plugin: enhance the logger by creating a log file
20100715 13:48:25< CIA-87> timotei * r44182 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/wizards/campaign/ (CampaignNewWizard.java CampaignPage0.java CampaignPage1.java): eclipse plugin: prevent bugs using "overriden" method name
20100715 13:48:45< CIA-87> timotei * r44183 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/ (44 files in 14 dirs): eclipse plugin: enhance debugging by logging errors to file
20100715 13:49:00< CIA-87> timotei * r44184 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/wizards/unit/ (10 files): eclipse plugin: mark as deprecated the units wizard
20100715 13:49:13< CIA-87> timotei * r44185 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/Logger.java: eclipse plugin: report start/stop log status
20100715 13:58:22< CIA-87> timotei * r44186 /trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/Logger.java: eclipse plugin: flush content written in the log
20100715 13:58:27< timotei> Crab_, fendrin: ok, logger is in place
20100715 13:58:53< Crab_> timotei: that's good
20100715 13:58:56< timotei> so, if anything bad goes bad, there will be the log in: youtemp/wesnoth_plugin/logxxxxx
20100715 13:59:10< Crab_> ok
20100715 14:01:19< Crab_> timotei: if you are ready and if you'll have time in +6h, I'll be able to walk through the basic `plugin setup` functionality and point to things that should be, in my opinion, improved there. If no time today, we can pick any other evening in europe.
20100715 14:01:52< timotei> Crab_: +6h... I'll be back in aprox +6/+7, maybe we will meet on irc later
20100715 14:02:17< timotei> until then I'll bring some other few improvements, especially with tool invoker stuff
20100715 14:02:26< timotei> I don't like it at all how it's done now
20100715 14:02:27< timotei> :P
20100715 14:02:39< Crab_> ok, good. maybe we'll be able to figure out why not all things there work for me (e.g. wmlindent was working ok, but wesnoth wasn't able to launch)
20100715 14:02:52< timotei> wesnoth... editor?
20100715 14:02:57< timotei> or launching a campaign/scenario
20100715 14:03:02< Crab_> editor, campaign, scenario
20100715 14:03:29< Crab_> yesterday, I've tried to click through all the buttons available )
20100715 14:04:21< timotei> well,it's weird then
20100715 14:04:31< Crab_> yes, surely )
20100715 14:04:42< timotei> but anyway, we'll solve it later when you have time :-)
20100715 14:04:49< Crab_> ok, thanks !
20100715 14:04:58< timotei> (btw, why almost every chat of yours ends in ')' ?
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20100715 14:05:15 * Crab_ is just smiling
20100715 14:05:23< timotei> oh
20100715 14:05:26< timotei> :))
20100715 14:05:34< timotei> without triggering any "smilies" icons, right?
20100715 14:05:38< timotei> hi Gambit 
20100715 14:05:41< Crab_> yes
20100715 14:05:55< Gambit> Hello timotei
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20100715 14:32:35< timotei> Crab_: damn, it seems on windows it won't work the "show game output" as on linux
20100715 14:33:02< timotei> loonycyborg: do you know what it has to be done to SDL to output the cout/cerr on stdout rather than on file?
20100715 14:33:34< loonycyborg> Nope.
20100715 14:33:58< Crab_> timotei: invoke `tail -f` on the log file, then...
20100715 14:34:17< timotei> Crab_: on windows?
20100715 14:34:24< Crab_> gnu utils for windows has `tail`
20100715 14:34:55< timotei> Crab_: well, right, but it would require the users to have it installed. should we provide the link to download it?
20100715 14:35:23< Crab_> feel free to hack it like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/557844/java-io-implementation-of-unix-linux-tail-f , as well
20100715 14:35:40< timotei> wow, that was fast. Thanks Crab_ :-)
20100715 14:35:40< wesbot> timotei: Sometimes we are fast
20100715 14:35:55< timotei> say what? wesbot talking by himself?
20100715 14:36:37< Crab_> timotei: that bot is programmed to react to certain words :)
20100715 14:36:42< timotei> nice
20100715 14:36:48< Crab_> words like 'f-a-s-t', for example
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20100715 14:52:23< timotei> I am fast
20100715 14:52:28< timotei> I was fast
20100715 14:52:28< wesbot> timotei: Sometimes we are fast
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20100715 18:19:06< CIA-87> silene * r44187 /trunk/src/unit_types.cpp: Ensured graceful failure when encountering borken [advancefrom] tag.
20100715 18:19:06< CIA-87> silene * r44188 /trunk/src/unit_types.cpp: Removed useless statement.
20100715 18:19:20< CIA-87> silene * r44189 /trunk/src/scripting/lua.cpp: Fixed double substitution for eval_conditional.
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20100715 18:24:09< CIA-87> silene * r44190 /branches/1.8/src/unit_types.cpp: 
20100715 18:24:09< CIA-87> Ensured graceful failure when encountering broken [advancefrom] tag.
20100715 18:24:09< CIA-87> Backported from trunk r44187.
20100715 18:24:13< CIA-87> silene * r44191 /branches/1.8/src/scripting/lua.cpp: 
20100715 18:24:13< CIA-87> Fixed double substitution for eval_conditional.
20100715 18:24:13< CIA-87> Backported from trunk r44189.
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20100715 20:25:13< silene> Espreon: your campaign was failing due to a typo; wesnoth should now point them out instead of crashing
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20100715 21:20:35< CIA-87> billynux * r44192 /trunk/src/ (network_manager_ana.cpp network_manager_ana.hpp): 
20100715 21:20:35< CIA-87> Added a handshake handler to ana and cleaned up the code of the network_manager.
20100715 21:20:35< CIA-87> The following compatibility tests have worked: Run an ana server and play a
20100715 21:20:35< CIA-87> local game with two sdl clients, Play a match between an ana client and an sdl
20100715 21:20:35< CIA-87> client on an official server. Local ana client and server connections show some
20100715 21:20:36< CIA-87> problems.
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20100715 22:01:45< CIA-87> billynux * r44193 /trunk/src/network_manager_ana.cpp: Improved implementation of the send_all_except method in ana. When playing with an ana client I get out-of-sync games (probably due to the implementation of this very method.)
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20100715 22:06:35< Elvish_Pillager> The wiki says that the firing order of WML [event]s with the same name is undefined. In practice, events always fire in their order in the file (or, for events added during other events, their order of creation). Is there any particular reason not to rely on this behavior?
20100715 22:07:40< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20100715 22:22:49< zookeeper> Elvish_Pillager, dunno, at least i tend to rely on it
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20100715 22:34:18< timotei> hi
20100715 22:34:22< timotei> wesbot: seen Crab_
20100715 22:34:22< wesbot> timotei: The person with the nick Crab_ last spoke 22h 2m ago.  1h 25m ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving.
20100715 22:34:33< timotei> ah, missed Crab_
20100715 22:35:33< fendrin> timotei: hi
20100715 22:35:38< timotei> hif e
20100715 22:35:40< timotei> hi fendrin 
20100715 22:35:59< fendrin> timotei: how does tab completion work?
20100715 22:36:13< fendrin> timotei: Say I would like to insert an event.
20100715 22:36:38< timotei> fendrin: ummm, tab completion is not working.
20100715 22:36:43< timotei> fendrin: that the part 4
20100715 22:36:49< fendrin> fucking hell
20100715 22:37:29< timotei> rembember, we posponed them to the end, so we could decide a way of importing the existing campaigns.
20100715 22:37:31< timotei> fendrin: what?
20100715 22:38:17< timotei> fendrin: did you expected it to work?
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20100715 22:49:00< CIA-87> gabba * r44194 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Activate and deactivate the whiteboard at the proper time.
20100715 22:49:04< CIA-87> gabba * r44195 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (6 files): Whiteboard: rely on starting position rather than direct unit reference to find unit owning an action. Part 1.
20100715 22:49:11< CIA-87> gabba * r44196 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (side_actions.cpp validate_visitor.cpp): Whiteboard: some fixes for the crash on action removal.
20100715 22:49:18< CIA-87> gabba * r44197 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (side_actions.cpp side_actions.hpp validate_visitor.cpp): Whiteboard: hopefully definitive fixes for the crash on action removal. Validate actions recursively until no more remain to delete (may be overkill)
20100715 22:58:53< CIA-87> gabba * r44198 /trunk/src/whiteboard/ (mapbuilder_visitor.cpp validate_visitor.cpp): Whiteboard: simplifications.
20100715 23:00:20< timotei> fendrin: anymore around? 
20100715 23:00:22< timotei> fendrin: I have to go now
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20100715 23:02:31< timotei> fendrin: good night. we'll talk tomorrow morning
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20100715 23:02:37< billynux> bye y'all
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20100715 23:10:27< Elvish_Pillager> The wiki says that message options aren't synchronized in a "side X turn Y" event in Wesnoth 1.8. Nosmos's Survival Pack has options in a side 1 turn 1 event that seem to work fine, without any sync issues. Is the wiki just wrong, or what?
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20100715 23:17:23< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: have you seen this post? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=30777&p=442933#p442933
20100715 23:17:34< shadowmaster> (I bet not)
20100715 23:18:11< shadowmaster> the whinning about making an updater package is getting annoying since we get this almost every 1.5 months.
20100715 23:18:36< CIA-87> espreon * r44199 /trunk/data/core/units/drakes/Armageddon.cfg: Fixed the Armageddon Drake's [advancefrom] codeblock.
20100715 23:18:44< Espreon> ... and TSL loads once again...
20100715 23:19:09< Espreon> silene: Thanks.
20100715 23:19:12< shadowmaster> so the question is: do you think it'd be feasible to provide that? preparing such a package would probably be handled by a script that compares SVN revisions or something.
20100715 23:19:50< shadowmaster> after all, the files aren't hosted in Wesnothorg, but in SF.net, so we won't have problems with bandwidth or storage
20100715 23:19:57< shadowmaster> *Wesnoth.org
20100715 23:22:37< loonycyborg> I am not very motivated to do such package since even 200Mb downloads are relatively painless on my connection.
20100715 23:22:40< esr> I badly need to have a real-time chat with Jetrel.
20100715 23:23:21< Espreon> Why?
20100715 23:23:23< loonycyborg> Though perhaps I could do a cut down installer that contains only binary and .cfg files.
20100715 23:24:28< loonycyborg> shadowmaster: Do you know whether it's guaranteed that no chnages/additions of music and images could be in stable releases?
20100715 23:24:58< shadowmaster> loonycyborg: "since even 200Mb downloads are relatively painless"
20100715 23:25:03< shadowmaster> you mean painful?
20100715 23:25:26< shadowmaster> ah, you do mean painless. But it's your connection! not everyone's
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20100715 23:25:51< shadowmaster> anyway, there's no guarantee about music and images not being revised/modified within stable branches.
20100715 23:26:10< shadowmaster> we already had a case of updated music with the northeners replacement in 1.8.1
20100715 23:26:32< shadowmaster> esr: /query Jetrel
20100715 23:26:36< shadowmaster> don't expect immediate responses
20100715 23:27:56< esr> shadowmaster: I just reached him.
20100715 23:28:10< shadowmaster> k
20100715 23:28:21< loonycyborg> shadowmaster: Then coming up with a general solution will be harder.
20100715 23:28:52< shadowmaster> maybe I could make a script to determine which paths need updating between SVN tags
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20100715 23:29:20< loonycyborg> Would it work on windows?
20100715 23:29:23< shadowmaster> once I figure out the tag parsing. I was about that when the lack of a permanent Internet connection frustrated me some months ago. Now it'd be the perfect time to work on it again
20100715 23:29:29< shadowmaster> oh, windows, uh....
20100715 23:29:46< shadowmaster> it could generate a file listing that you can use with your own tools
20100715 23:30:19< shadowmaster> I have planned to write several scripts to aid with SVN's shortcomings (ignoring whether any of those already exist or not)
20100715 23:34:11< loonycyborg> The majority of wesnoth's 'mass' seems to be concentrated in data/ and all files from it are put into the installer. Another installer could be made that contained only changed files.
20100715 23:34:32< loonycyborg> And also code to ensure that previous version is already installed.
20100715 23:34:40< shadowmaster> that's the idea.
20100715 23:34:55< shadowmaster> although you could just rely on kicking those who didn't read the "upgrade package" label
20100715 23:36:38< shadowmaster> remember we already do that with those that mistakenly download the source code distribution instead of the binary bundle/package for their platform
20100715 23:41:19< loonycyborg> Probably that can already handle removed files relatively easily :P
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20100715 23:47:49< zookeeper> Elvish_Pillager, shouldn't work AFAIK. at least i'm not aware of any OOS fixes like that
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20100715 23:48:16< Elvish_Pillager> zookeeper: yeah. The trouble is that it apparently DOES work
20100715 23:48:33< CIA-87> alink * r44200 /trunk/src/ (builder.cpp builder.hpp): 
20100715 23:48:33< CIA-87> Simpler structure for ToD variants.
20100715 23:48:33< CIA-87> Faster for standard cases and will be more flexible for special variants
20100715 23:48:36< CIA-87> alink * r44201 /trunk/src/ (builder.cpp builder.hpp): 
20100715 23:48:37< CIA-87> In terrain [variant] allow to use a list of ToD instead of just one,
20100715 23:48:37< CIA-87> because the probable usage is to have the same image for several ToD.
20100715 23:48:37< CIA-87> syntax: tod=morning,afternoon
20100715 23:48:44< CIA-87> alink * r44202 /trunk/src/ (builder.cpp builder.hpp multiplayer_ui.o.d4RZjo): 
20100715 23:48:44< CIA-87> Add a "probability" key into terrain [variant] (can be combined with ToD)
20100715 23:48:44< CIA-87> This provides an alternative way to have random terrain images.
20100715 23:48:44< CIA-87> Main advantages: much lighter (all in the same terrain rule)
20100715 23:48:44< CIA-87> and allow to use human-friendly probabilty distribution (sum = 100%)
20100715 23:48:44< CIA-87> Already working but its WML interface will be improved to support heavy use.
20100715 23:48:57< Elvish_Pillager> zookeeper: you think it shouldn't work: what would you expect to happen?
20100715 23:51:18< shadowmaster> zookeeper is gone.
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20100715 23:53:24< CIA-87> alink * r44203 /trunk/src/ (3 files): 
20100715 23:53:24< CIA-87> When using auto-completion, stop displaying possibles choices when there is only one.
20100715 23:53:24< CIA-87> Use resources there.
20100715 23:53:28< CIA-87> alink * r44204 /trunk/src/ (4 files): Get current side from resources when executing :command
20100715 23:53:32< CIA-87> alink * r44205 /trunk/src/ (4 files): Get mouse_handler from resources in few functions
20100715 23:53:37< CIA-87> alink * r44206 /trunk/src/ (4 files): Remove the need of mouse_handler from console commands.
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