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20100701 00:09:55-!- Topic for #wesnoth-umc-dev: Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project @ SF.net: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
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20100701 00:09:55[+shikadibot] [ AI0867   ] [ elvish_sovereign] [ Gambit ] [ noy        ] 
20100701 00:09:55-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-umc-dev: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 3 voices, 13 normal]
20100701 00:09:56-!- Home page for #wesnoth-umc-dev: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net
20100701 00:10:10-!- Channel #wesnoth-umc-dev created Mon Mar 31 16:51:24 2008
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20100701 01:25:38< AI0867> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=438983#p438983
20100701 01:26:53< Gambit> It's not real pixel art :o
20100701 01:30:41< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you're not real pixel art
20100701 01:32:55 * Gambit is made of alphatrons!
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20100701 02:00:13< shadowmaster> Gambit: Attention Whore in case you are wondering.
20100701 02:06:16< shadowmaster> so stop paying attention to Hulvavuta
20100701 02:06:37< shadowmaster> and he'll well...go to a better place
20100701 02:07:19< AI0867> Espreon: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=438937#p438937
20100701 02:12:14< shadowmaster> Gambit: look, it worked!
20100701 02:12:20< shadowmaster> he left!
20100701 02:20:22< Gambit> shadowmaster: ?
20100701 02:21:04< Gambit> I was on the phone with my clients
20100701 02:21:08< shadowmaster> Hulavuta
20100701 02:21:09< Gambit> [cool sunglasses]
20100701 02:21:14< shadowmaster> don't you see
20100701 02:21:19< shadowmaster> that he said "hi"
20100701 02:21:20< shadowmaster> nobody replied
20100701 02:21:20< shadowmaster> he left
20100701 02:21:25< Gambit> heh
20100701 02:21:57< PeterPorty> umm... why so mean to Hula?
20100701 02:22:27< PeterPorty> I know u do the same stuff when  I'm not here, but... I know why that is.
20100701 02:22:32< Gambit> PeterPorty: What are you douing here?
20100701 02:22:34< Gambit> In this holy place?
20100701 02:22:37< PeterPorty> otoh, Hula seems to be nice.
20100701 02:22:57< Gambit> Oh you've been here for a while.
20100701 02:23:10< PeterPorty> well. this is the wesnoth user made content channel
20100701 02:23:28< PeterPorty> and... I'm a user... and I'm making... content for wesnoth...
20100701 02:24:05< AI0867> this is not the "user made content" channel
20100701 02:24:11< AI0867> it's the wesnoth-umc-dev channel
20100701 02:24:13< Gambit> Acutally... yeah what he said
20100701 02:24:21< AI0867> that is, the channel for the wesnoth-umc-dev project on sourceforge
20100701 02:25:20< PeterPorty> umc = user made content... right?
20100701 02:25:28< PeterPorty> dev=developement.... right?
20100701 02:25:35< PeterPorty> wesnoth =... yeahz...
20100701 02:25:47< Gambit> But legally you must be 18 to be in the project :o
20100701 02:25:48< AI0867> yes, but the name does not contain all of the meaning
20100701 02:26:06< shadowmaster> hi
20100701 02:26:10< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net
20100701 02:26:14< shadowmaster> 'nuff said.
20100701 02:28:12< PeterPorty> well... so I'm making my campaign...
20100701 02:29:38< shadowmaster> the last guy who said that ignored me and later got kicked and banned
20100701 02:30:02< shadowmaster> 733
20100701 02:30:22< shadowmaster> in...733 miliseconds.
20100701 02:32:05< PeterPorty> O.o
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20100701 03:17:26< Blueblaze> no worries, the community has been like this forever
20100701 03:17:33< Blueblaze> you've just isolated yourself from it by not playing :>
20100701 03:17:37< Blueblaze> playa
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20100701 03:18:17< PeterPorty> O.o
20100701 03:18:54< Gambit> shadowmaster: I made a lot of money from those tapes too.
20100701 03:19:05< shadowmaster> oh come on
20100701 03:19:57< PeterPorty> ban fest?
20100701 03:20:09< PeterPorty> I didn't do anything btw.
20100701 03:20:18< shadowmaster> who said anything about banning
20100701 03:20:30< shadowmaster> hi Blueblaze, how does it feel there?
20100701 03:20:43< PeterPorty> ok, quieting fest?
20100701 03:20:59< shadowmaster> no?
20100701 03:21:07< PeterPorty> ...
20100701 03:21:11< shadowmaster> I only said "oh come on"
20100701 03:21:21< PeterPorty> why did you ban BB and not Gambit?
20100701 03:21:21< shadowmaster> stop assuming stuff from my remarks.
20100701 03:21:34< shadowmaster> I didn't ban Blueblaze 
20100701 03:21:42< PeterPorty> or, *quiet
20100701 03:22:07< shadowmaster> just cause
20100701 03:22:23< PeterPorty> ..u like Gambit...
20100701 03:22:39< shadowmaster> don't like it, then leave this channel. I don't discuss bans/quiets in public
20100701 03:22:54< PeterPorty> okeydokey
20100701 03:29:52< shadowmaster> AI0867: what do you think of this - which one is cleaner? http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/kE9jfTp0 (A) or http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/nJ8R45CE (B) ?
20100701 03:31:59< AI0867> the first one is probably slightly faster....
20100701 03:32:14< AI0867> the second might be a bit cleaner, but not much difference
20100701 03:32:33< AI0867> factoring that out looks like overkill to me
20100701 03:33:53< shadowmaster> okay, I have one place which uses is_addon_installed(), though.
20100701 03:34:32< shadowmaster> maybe more in the future, we'll see. I still have to finish the basic add/update/remove cide again
20100701 03:34:37< shadowmaster> *code
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20100701 03:57:46< shadowmaster> Espreon: apparently TOI's hibernation images work fine with the kernel 2.6.34
20100701 03:58:01< shadowmaster> at least they are now a function of the used RAM rather than the system's uptime :|
20100701 03:58:15< shadowmaster> so I guess it was a 2.6.33-specific bug
20100701 03:58:18< Espreon> Excellent...
20100701 03:58:31< shadowmaster> considering uptimes of 2-3 days.
20100701 04:10:20< Espreon> shadowmaster: You wouldn't do something silly, such as addressing children with «ustedes», right?
20100701 04:10:26< Espreon> I know that I wouldn't.
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20100701 04:10:46< shadowmaster> Espreon: I address them with "ustedes".
20100701 04:10:48< shadowmaster> there's no other way :/
20100701 04:10:59< Espreon> NnnnnnnnO! They are inferior!
20100701 04:11:16< shadowmaster> Screw that, I have grammar.
20100701 04:11:28< shadowmaster> what else could I use?
20100701 04:11:33< shadowmaster> vosotros? LOL, no.
20100701 04:11:33< Espreon> ... and I'm certainly not going to use «ustedes» when addressing pathetic creatures.
20100701 04:11:46< Espreon> But, «vosotros» is so cute and cuddly.
20100701 04:11:53< shadowmaster> and obsolete
20100701 04:12:01< Espreon> In chileano.
20100701 04:12:28< shadowmaster> Espreon: it's either chilean or chileno
20100701 04:12:30< PeterPorty> spanish too
20100701 04:13:02< shadowmaster> you seem to like to say Chile-ano, which can come across as a double-entendre.
20100701 04:13:17< shadowmaster> although I wonder how many people here actually know the correct word for "anus". :/
20100701 04:13:22< PeterPorty> chile anus?
20100701 04:13:30< shadowmaster> of the teenager demographic, I mean
20100701 04:13:32< Espreon> Meh, I wouldn't know/care.
20100701 04:14:15< Espreon> As for «vosotros», people keep telling me different things.
20100701 04:14:25< shadowmaster> I see...
20100701 04:14:34< Espreon> So, I really don't care.
20100701 04:14:55< Espreon> But, despite what fmunoz tells me, I'm still using the future subjunctive.
20100701 04:16:46< Espreon> shadowmaster: Fine, you're "chileno", while PeterPorty is chileano.
20100701 04:17:06< PeterPorty> fk u u damn gringo
20100701 04:17:17< Espreon> Yeah, yeah, fuck you, you filthy churl.
20100701 04:17:25< PeterPorty> ;9
20100701 04:18:50< Espreon> Yeah, due to people like PeterPorty, I'm only gonna step into Chile to see shadowmaster, which will probably never happen.
20100701 04:19:08< shadowmaster> maybe it'd be easier if I went to the USA
20100701 04:19:12< shadowmaster> ....yeahz
20100701 04:19:19< Espreon> Yeah, it would.
20100701 04:19:49< Espreon> Kill two birds with one stone; see your buddy *and* get out of that horrible place.
20100701 04:19:51< Gambit> Espreon: What state're you in again
20100701 04:19:58< Espreon> Pennsylvania.
20100701 04:20:03< Gambit> OH GOODY!
20100701 04:20:11< Gambit> Ha.
20100701 04:21:01< Espreon> PeterPorty: Do you ever use Wesnoth's Spanish translation?
20100701 04:21:02< shadowmaster> Gambit: don't tell me that you live in the same state
20100701 04:21:07< Gambit> Yessss
20100701 04:21:10< Gambit> Espreon: What county?
20100701 04:21:14< Espreon> ...
20100701 04:21:28< Gambit> What town?
20100701 04:21:30< Gambit> What street?
20100701 04:21:32< Gambit> What address?
20100701 04:21:33< Gambit> What room?
20100701 04:21:35< Gambit> Which window?
20100701 04:21:41< PeterPorty> Espreon, nope
20100701 04:21:48< Gambit> No but seriously; what region of PA?
20100701 04:21:55< Espreon> Montgomery County, Montgomeryville... blah... blah... blah.
20100701 04:22:12< Espreon> ... near Countyline/whatever Road... blargh...
20100701 04:22:37< Espreon> DAMN IT!
20100701 04:23:02< Espreon> Maybe I should stop localizing images for the Spanish translation and let Rodrigo figure it out.
20100701 04:24:07< shadowmaster> Gambit: 42
20100701 04:24:21< Gambit> Espreon: Man 3 hours 42 minutes is a long way
20100701 04:24:35< Gambit> $50 gas and $20 toll roads
20100701 04:25:14< Gambit> Does Montgomeryville have an airport?
20100701 04:25:27< Espreon> No!
20100701 04:25:46< Gambit> Yes it does!
20100701 04:25:48< Gambit> haha!
20100701 04:25:52< Gambit> So does my town.
20100701 04:25:57< Espreon> How the fuck would I know?
20100701 04:25:59< Gambit> In fact I live a half mile from mine.
20100701 04:26:05< Espreon> I rarely leave my house.
20100701 04:26:20 * Gambit often bikes to his airport
20100701 04:26:25< Gambit> one of these times I'm going to wear a ski mask
20100701 04:26:27< Gambit> and bring a camera
20100701 04:26:29< Espreon> ... besides, we do most of our business in Bucks county.
20100701 04:26:29< Gambit> just for the luls
20100701 04:26:36< Espreon> ...
20100701 04:27:17< Gambit> You know it's technically against the law for myself or any of my neighbors to fly a kite because of that damn airport?
20100701 04:27:21< Gambit> Rediculous.
20100701 04:27:26< Espreon> Oh, wow...
20100701 04:27:32< Gambit> They shouldn't build it so close to other people!
20100701 04:27:47 * Gambit flies his kite anyway!
20100701 04:28:02< Gambit> 1000' kite string 8)
20100701 04:28:41< Espreon> shadowmaster: Let's gather enough funds to create very-long-term sleep chambers so that we can all just separate ourselves from the idiots who live on this damn planet.
20100701 04:29:15< Espreon> ... of course, said chambers would be able to stop the aging process.
20100701 04:29:27< shadowmaster> and how would we hack on wesnoth during that time?
20100701 04:29:30< shadowmaster> :/
20100701 04:29:37< Espreon> Does it matter?
20100701 04:29:47< shadowmaster> um, yes
20100701 04:32:02< Espreon> PeterPorty: Thanks a lot! Churls like you make me lose hope!
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20100701 05:09:14< Espreon> AI0867; Gambit: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=439203#p439203
20100701 05:11:16< Gambit> so why is BEEM breaking addons that contain units with no traits?
20100701 05:11:17< Gambit> Ot
20100701 05:11:21< Gambit> It's ticking me off
20100701 05:11:27< Gambit> s/traits/race
20100701 05:11:29< Espreon> Noöne cares about BEEM.
20100701 05:11:35< PeterPorty> BEEM and  Ageless
20100701 05:11:38< Gambit> I do!
20100701 05:11:40< PeterPorty> both
20100701 05:11:41< Gambit> It's breaking my addons!
20100701 05:11:47< PeterPorty> clockwork dwarves actually
20100701 05:11:53< PeterPorty> not the add on, the faction
20100701 05:11:54< Gambit> PeterPorty: Well BEEM is the common facotr
20100701 05:12:28< PeterPorty> yeah, but it first appeared as Ageless in my game, after I erased it it became BEEM
20100701 05:13:37< Gambit> And I spawn units without generating traits
20100701 05:13:42< Gambit> so that's even more perplexin
20100701 05:13:53< Gambit> You have to use random_traits=yes to make [unit] give them traits
20100701 05:15:11< Gambit> don't you?
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20100701 05:25:16< Espreon> Now to dl the Draco Meteor Jirachi over nine thousand times.
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20100701 06:06:25< Espreon> OK, I have fifteen more days to keep dling Jirachis...
20100701 06:08:09< Espreon> I guess that I shall set a goal for five Jirachis per day.
20100701 06:08:47< Espreon> Best part is that they're legit.
20100701 06:09:10< Espreon> Hey, I'm just clearing my list of downloaded Wonder Card ids.
20100701 06:10:50< Espreon> No, no, five Jirachis before I go to bed, and five Jirachis when I get hom.
20100701 06:10:54< Espreon> *home
20100701 06:11:48< Espreon> Once I'm finished, I'll have enough fresh wares for event Pogeymanz collectors, thus I'll be able to get the latest event Pogeymanz from Japan.
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20100701 06:12:55< Espreon> ... and it happened thanks to the fact that I can clear my list of downloaded Wonder Card ids.
20100701 06:13:04< Espreon> shadowmaster: Isn't this just awesome?
20100701 06:13:24< shadowmaster> I guess.
20100701 06:14:49< Espreon> Yeah, event collectors are obsessed with collecting so many Pokémon of the same event.
20100701 06:14:56< Espreon> Well, even I am.
20100701 06:15:26< Espreon> So, people will want to keep getting my Jirachis because each are different.
20100701 06:16:53< Espreon> So, essentially, I'm like an IRL alchemist, but with Pogeymanz.
20100701 06:17:47< Espreon> Aethaeryn: OK, since I am creating so much supply, what am I doing?
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20100701 06:24:42< Espreon> Hmmmm... I like q4wine, but it has crappy English.
20100701 06:25:12< Espreon> shadowmaster: Does this mean that I should be a nice person and clean it up for them?
20100701 06:33:08< shadowmaster> probably
20100701 06:33:17< shadowmaster> reminds me I Installed it yesterday to try it and haven't tried it yet
20100701 06:33:44< shadowmaster> ...WIZRD?!
20100701 06:34:03< shadowmaster> that sound you hear? it's me smashing my head on the laptop
20100701 06:34:45 * shadowmaster wonders if Espreon ever saw the mess that NR was before being adopted by esr
20100701 06:34:58< shadowmaster> (I did. Oh boy...)
20100701 06:38:13< Espreon> I didn't...
20100701 06:39:27< shadowmaster> okay, good for your sanity that you didn't.
20100701 06:39:46< shadowmaster> although...I believe...that old versions could be lying around in some place in the wesnoth.org filesystem
20100701 06:39:50< shadowmaster> possibly
20100701 06:40:07< shadowmaster> failing that, there are copies of an older version in some of my older HDD backups
20100701 06:40:28< shadowmaster> Espreon: so if you want me to hunt for it, just tell me
20100701 06:42:09< Espreon> Nah, I'm busy fixing q4wine.
20100701 06:42:36< shadowmaster> k, have fun
20100701 06:43:01< shadowmaster> I'm downloading Kubuntu 10.04
20100701 06:43:05< Espreon> Why?
20100701 06:43:10< shadowmaster> maybe I'll try to use it on blackcore or a VM
20100701 06:43:25< Aethaeryn> Espreon: forgery?
20100701 06:43:27< Aethaeryn> Espreon: OMG
20100701 06:43:32< Aethaeryn> Espreon: do you have one of those 3D printers?
20100701 06:43:34< shadowmaster> now that I have an Internet connection, I could use it on blackcore
20100701 06:43:35< Espreon> No.
20100701 06:43:42< Espreon> Aethaeryn: No, it's not forgery.
20100701 06:43:46< shadowmaster> I'm only a bit afraid about the hard diswk's state
20100701 06:45:35< shadowmaster> a test revealed that while the swap partition was fully readable, some blocks weren't writeable
20100701 06:45:56< shadowmaster> so I'd not like to hit such a  condition on the root filesystem
20100701 06:52:09< Aethaeryn> Espreon: k
20100701 06:52:15< Aethaeryn> well, I wasn't really paying too much attention
20100701 06:52:25< Aethaeryn> my appologies for my quick skim
20100701 06:52:28< Aethaeryn> 50% through homework
20100701 06:53:11< Espreon> Skimming is useless.
20100701 06:53:27< Aethaeryn> sin, cos, tan, csc, sec, cot :-)
20100701 06:53:45< Espreon> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
20100701 06:53:58< Aethaeryn> there are four-letter words that terrify adults.
20100701 06:53:59< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: pffft, piece of cake
20100701 06:54:04< Aethaeryn> and then there are three-letter words that terrify students.
20100701 06:54:19< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Yes, this is the easiest unit in terms of actual arithmatic/skill required
20100701 06:54:24< Aethaeryn> but there's so many stupid rules!
20100701 06:54:29< Aethaeryn> and it brings back geometry into math :-(
20100701 06:54:46< shadowmaster> just keep in mind that (cos(x))^2 + (sin(x))^2 = 1
20100701 06:56:18< shadowmaster> I wonder if my composite key can produce plus/minus and minus/plus signs
20100701 06:56:26< shadowmaster> *compose
20100701 06:56:37< shadowmaster> oh yes, it can
20100701 06:57:13< shadowmaster> sin(a±b) = sin(a)cos(b) ± sin(b)cos(a)
20100701 06:57:31< shadowmaster> hm. wait, it can't produce the minus/plus sign
20100701 06:57:47< Aethaeryn> ±1
20100701 06:58:00< Aethaeryn> ∓1
20100701 06:58:11< shadowmaster> cos(a+b) = cos(a)cos(b) - sin(a)sin(b)
20100701 06:58:27< shadowmaster> cos(a-b) = cos(a)cos(b) + sin(a)sin(b)
20100701 06:58:45< shadowmaster> and cos(-x) = cos(x), sin(-x) = -sin(x)
20100701 06:58:56< Aethaeryn> make it stop! make it stop!
20100701 06:59:04< Aethaeryn> that's next week's exam/homework!
20100701 06:59:08< shadowmaster> cot(x) = 1/tan(x), csc(x) = 1/sin(x), sec(x) = 1/cos(x)
20100701 06:59:08< Aethaeryn> it's not on this week's quiz!
20100701 06:59:09< Aethaeryn> :-P
20100701 06:59:36< shadowmaster> oh.
20100701 06:59:38< shadowmaster> okay.
20100701 06:59:49< Aethaeryn> on the plus side, I'm almost done the redemption of my whoops-I-didn't-know-I-was-going-to-take-a-math-placement-test-today freshman year experience.
20100701 07:00:09< Aethaeryn> might be one of the few to get an A in this 8 week intense trip through precalc.
20100701 07:00:16< Aethaeryn> since I've done it all before.
20100701 07:00:20< Aethaeryn> well, mostly.
20100701 07:00:35< shadowmaster> and don't forget tan(x) = sin(x)/cos(x)
20100701 07:00:37< shadowmaster> :p
20100701 07:00:40< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100701 07:00:48< Aethaeryn> I almost wrote tan(x) = cos(x)/sin(x)
20100701 07:00:58< Aethaeryn> which is why I'm not the one writing any of these equations
20100701 07:01:01< shadowmaster> that'd be cot(x)
20100701 07:01:17< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100701 07:01:19< Aethaeryn> ∿
20100701 07:01:22< Aethaeryn> that's a sine wave
20100701 07:01:48< Aethaeryn> somewhere in higher mathematics, someone decided to use that as an actual symbol
20100701 07:01:52< Aethaeryn> I suppose
20100701 07:02:01< shadowmaster> looks like a vertically-stretched tilde
20100701 07:02:15< Aethaeryn> I almost want to be a mathematician, but all the good symbols have already been invented.
20100701 07:02:18< Aethaeryn> ;-)
20100701 07:02:25< shadowmaster> Espreon? are you stilll alive or did you already die from the talk about trigonometry?
20100701 07:02:45< Aethaeryn> tri-gono-metry
20100701 07:02:51< Aethaeryn> there, we just turned this into linguism
20100701 07:03:10< shadowmaster> but Espreon doesn't like latin
20100701 07:03:14< shadowmaster> (greek?)
20100701 07:03:31< Aethaeryn> trigonon - metron
20100701 07:03:35< Espreon> shadowmaster: Nah, I'm just working on q4wine.
20100701 07:04:14< Aethaeryn> τριγονον + μετρον
20100701 07:04:23< Aethaeryn> τρι + γονον = triangle
20100701 07:04:47< Aethaeryn> whoops
20100701 07:05:06< Aethaeryn> τριγωνον + μετρον
20100701 07:05:35< Aethaeryn> (τρι + γωνον) + μετρον
20100701 07:05:43< Aethaeryn> so, literally
20100701 07:05:48< Aethaeryn> to measure the three angles
20100701 07:06:00< shadowmaster> wait a f-
20100701 07:06:07< shadowmaster> linguism is a word?
20100701 07:06:08< shadowmaster> I thought it was *linguistics*
20100701 07:06:13< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Isn't it fun that there's a linguistic expert for just about everything in this channel?
20100701 07:06:25< Aethaeryn> oh, I'm sorry, shadowmaster 
20100701 07:06:33< Aethaeryn> linguism is the *religion* Espreon invented.
20100701 07:06:43< Aethaeryn> linguism is the worship of linguistics
20100701 07:06:52< Aethaeryn> by linguistians
20100701 07:07:07< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Aren't you a linguistian?
20100701 07:07:17< Aethaeryn> Of the No-French-Allowed Sect?
20100701 07:07:28< Aethaeryn> The great schism of 1066 permenantly divided the linguistians.
20100701 07:08:11< shadowmaster> I wonder if the forum is already falling apart due to my 1-hour-long absence
20100701 07:08:22< Aethaeryn> Espreon: ^
20100701 07:09:13< Espreon> Yes I am!
20100701 07:11:37< shadowmaster> I'm drinking...tea with moth wings?
20100701 07:11:52< shadowmaster> okay, I guess I'll just pretend that moth wasn't floating on it
20100701 07:12:28< Aethaeryn> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1777#comic
20100701 07:12:38< Aethaeryn> ^ It's kinda like this, but with linguistics instead of science.
20100701 07:12:50< shadowmaster> hm, I wonder what moths taste like
20100701 07:12:52< Aethaeryn> *That* is the difference between linguistians and linguists.
20100701 07:13:02< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Try it in the name of science?
20100701 07:13:10< Aethaeryn> Write it in your biology notebook.
20100701 07:14:03< shadowmaster> if I had such a  notebook
20100701 07:14:17< shadowmaster> finished downloading kubuntu
20100701 07:14:57< Aethaeryn> I am only doing math for the sake of computers.
20100701 07:15:06< Aethaeryn> I learn all of this stuff so I can forget it once a computer does it for me.
20100701 07:15:27< shadowmaster> yeah, isn't life wonderful
20100701 07:15:32< Aethaeryn> Precalc is needed for Computer Science I, Calc I for Computer Science II.
20100701 07:15:41< Aethaeryn> Because I need Precalc (especially trigonometry) to code Python
20100701 07:15:47< Aethaeryn> and limits and stuff to code Java.
20100701 07:16:46< Aethaeryn> In related news, Firefox/Iceweasel is now a dependency of Wesnoth.
20100701 07:17:06< Aethaeryn> This makes more sense than my class example, because you need it to look up all the ReferenceWML
20100701 07:18:25< Aethaeryn> But it's okay.
20100701 07:18:31< Aethaeryn> The more math I take, the more money I'll make.
20100701 07:18:33< Aethaeryn> Or so they say.
20100701 07:18:56< Aethaeryn> Correlation is not causation. Perhaps only rich kids can afford to waste productive time to go beyond basic math.
20100701 07:19:05< Aethaeryn> But that's statistics, not math.
20100701 07:20:59< Espreon> shadowmaster: Since I have no experience with application design... how does this sound? "Support for WIS scripts has not yet been implemented; however, this application is capable of using winetricks (see the current tab's toolbar actions)."
20100701 07:21:07< Espreon> Note that I cannot see the actual GUI features.
20100701 07:21:16< Espreon> ... as I probably didn't compile with winetricks support.
20100701 07:21:27< shadowmaster> Espreon: uhmmmm....
20100701 07:22:14< shadowmaster> I think I'd need to see it in context
20100701 07:22:59< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: when did Firefox become a dependency of Wesnoth=
20100701 07:23:00< shadowmaster> ?
20100701 07:23:13< Espreon> shadowmaster: Launch q4wine, go to "Setup" and then "System Software".
20100701 07:23:28< shadowmaster> Espreon: do I have to go through the initial setup wizard?
20100701 07:23:40< Espreon> I don't think so.
20100701 07:23:56< Espreon> Oh, wait, I found the GUI features; just ignore the stuff in parentheses for now.
20100701 07:24:04< shadowmaster> "Can't find or execute 'wineserver' binary. Make shure...."
20100701 07:24:08< shadowmaster> o_O
20100701 07:24:13< Espreon> Sigh...
20100701 07:24:26< shadowmaster> wineserver is not in path
20100701 07:24:42< shadowmaster> let me find it
20100701 07:25:02< shadowmaster> ah, /usr/lib/wine
20100701 07:25:16< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I was making fun of dependencies that aren't really necessary. That's all.
20100701 07:25:36< shadowmaster> you know, you can always learn Python on your own in advance ;)
20100701 07:25:36< Aethaeryn> You see, I'm compiling a dependency for 8 weeks...
20100701 07:25:45< Aethaeryn> I intend on doing so...
20100701 07:25:52< Aethaeryn> Once this class is either over or once I get past the point of certain A
20100701 07:26:00< Aethaeryn> Grades aren't determined by average but by total.
20100701 07:26:21< Aethaeryn> Which means that it's not the average of a bunch of weighted scores, it's how many total points you make (580+ to get an A)
20100701 07:26:41< Aethaeryn> so I could theoretically only have to get a 50-90 (out of 125) on the final to get an A
20100701 07:26:46< Aethaeryn> oh sorry, that might look like -40
20100701 07:26:51< Aethaeryn> a [50,90]
20100701 07:27:03< shadowmaster> Espreon: WTF, IT'S ASKING ME FOR SYSTEM UTILS PATHS
20100701 07:27:08< shadowmaster> what the fuck is tar?
20100701 07:27:10< shadowmaster> and mount, and umount?
20100701 07:27:19< shadowmaster> sudo? O_o
20100701 07:27:25< Espreon> Uh... the names of tools...
20100701 07:27:35< shadowmaster> in other words, usability fail
20100701 07:27:47< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: mount and umount? you see... when a man and a woman love each other very much...
20100701 07:28:00< shadowmaster> the user shouldn't need to see an assistant asking them these stupid questions
20100701 07:28:31< shadowmaster> Espreon: does this think nuke my existing wine cofnig or what?
20100701 07:28:44< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: what do you use that requires wine, anyway?
20100701 07:29:00< Aethaeryn> is there anything that wine emulates"
20100701 07:29:03< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: er, I'm trying to look at Espreon's issue.
20100701 07:29:05< Aethaeryn> well?
20100701 07:29:15< shadowmaster> and wine is not an emulator
20100701 07:29:19< Aethaeryn> thus the quotes.
20100701 07:29:25< shadowmaster> it's a compatibility framework
20100701 07:29:26< Aethaeryn> or attempt to hit quote, fail, and hit enter
20100701 07:29:38< Espreon> shadowmaster: Eh, I don't recall. So, don't take a chance.
20100701 07:29:48< shadowmaster> People, we have a trope.
20100701 07:29:54< Espreon> Probably not, though...
20100701 07:30:12< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsistentTerminology
20100701 07:31:26< shadowmaster> Espreon: you'll want to go through their documentaion too I guess
20100701 07:31:40< shadowmaster> "So, it is a good point for start is to create new prefix."
20100701 07:31:59< Espreon> Indeed...
20100701 07:32:10< Espreon> I mean, this is a nice tool and all but... ugh...
20100701 07:32:57< shadowmaster> Espreon: yes, your string is okay
20100701 07:33:08< shadowmaster> although I wonder if by WIS they mean ...what?
20100701 07:33:22< shadowmaster> Windows Installer Shit?
20100701 07:33:28< shadowmaster> they aren't scripts
20100701 07:34:17< Espreon> Meh, I'd have to ask the guy who made this.
20100701 07:34:22< shadowmaster> anyway, my eyes are bleeding by now. I can't continue reading :)
20100701 07:34:36< shadowmaster> horrible...english...writing.
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20100701 07:48:52< Espreon> Meh, I'll deal with this tomorrow.
20100701 08:01:07< inspiron> shadowmaster, around?
20100701 08:01:22< inspiron> Do you know where I can find the git repo on the wesnoth.org ?
20100701 08:01:30< inspiron> mordante gave me a link 2 months ago
20100701 08:02:00< shadowmaster> inspiron: the repository for what?
20100701 08:02:09< shadowmaster> you mean the git-svn tarball?
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20100701 08:02:14< timotei> yeah
20100701 08:02:21< shadowmaster> ahhh, you are timotei
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20100701 08:02:23< shadowmaster> :p
20100701 08:02:25< timotei> yeah:P
20100701 08:02:30< timotei> damn xchat
20100701 08:02:37< shadowmaster> letme check
20100701 08:02:43< timotei> now setting up my bro's notebook to work on gsoc
20100701 08:03:04< timotei> mhh, should I install ubuntu in the meantime?:-?
20100701 08:03:15< timotei> better not
20100701 08:04:30< shadowmaster> timotei: try http://files.wesnoth.org/hidden/wesnoth-git.tar.bz2
20100701 08:04:46< timotei> thanks
20100701 08:04:51< shadowmaster> I don't have access to see the file listing even via SSH o_O
20100701 08:04:54< shadowmaster> so I don't know how up-to-date that is
20100701 08:05:12< shadowmaster> don't forget to edit your .git/config to replace your gna.org username where appropriate
20100701 08:05:23< timotei> yeah
20100701 08:05:34< timotei> mhh
20100701 08:06:40< timotei> ah damn it. I have to wait another 3++ hours for the gna key to register
20100701 08:15:37< shadowmaster> maybe if you are lucky it gets updated in less than an hour
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20100701 08:43:25< shadowmaster> timotei: it was last moified on June 22th btw
20100701 08:43:28< shadowmaster> modified
20100701 08:43:46< shadowmaster> so you have an idea of how many revisions will be left to pull
20100701 08:44:38< timotei> oh, no problem with that
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20100701 09:20:08< shadowmaster> bandwidth unthrottled.
20100701 09:20:23< shadowmaster> I woonder if I could get these people to pay for something that doesn't throttle like this. :/
20100701 09:22:33< timotei> what?
20100701 09:23:01< shadowmaster> we are using some crappy wireless Internet service that reduces bandwidth after certain transferred amount
20100701 09:23:21< shadowmaster> so it goes down for, say, 600 KB/s to 40 KB/s
20100701 09:23:32< shadowmaster> s/for/from/
20100701 09:24:13< timotei> oh I hate that :))
20100701 09:24:14< shadowmaster> better than nothing, but still.
20100701 09:24:28< timotei> mobile internet providers usually do that in our countery
20100701 09:24:33< timotei> s/countery/country
20100701 09:25:44< shadowmaster> it doesn't fit well my workflow
20100701 09:27:03< shadowmaster> anyway, good night
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20100701 14:55:30< AI0867> Espreon, shadowmaster: could you give me some specific issues about "dark tiles"?
20100701 14:55:33< AI0867> 1) I don't see this as a problem, as long as he's using the proper editor groups, and maybe has changed the name. The two are distinct in appearance.
20100701 14:55:37< AI0867> 2) FWIW i'll likely mainline the dark floor terrain this summer once i get around to making transitions.
20100701 14:55:40< AI0867> 3) That kind of feedback, ("too blurry") makes me scratch my head. Sure it's less contrasty that the old one, but the old one was super-contrasty. The new one is more or less in line with sharpness/contrast of most mainline terrains.
20100701 14:57:05< AI0867> 05:11 < PeterPorty> BEEM and  Ageless <-- the simple solution is to nuke them both
20100701 14:57:13< AI0867> also saves about 50 MB of disk
20100701 15:05:10< Gambit> They're both breaking other addons.
20100701 15:05:37< Gambit> AI0867: To make [unit] spawn units with random traits there's a special attribute right?
20100701 15:05:58< Gambit> Because for some reason when BEEM is installed, the units in my addon get spawned with random traits.
20100701 15:06:02< Gambit> And it's causing OOS.
20100701 15:08:40< zookeeper> huh?
20100701 15:09:03 * zookeeper checks
20100701 15:09:10< Gambit> zookeeper: I have no idea. But when BEEM is installed all the units in my addon get spawned with race "Clockwork Dwarves" and random traits.
20100701 15:09:15< Gambit> I just tried it myself.
20100701 15:09:23< zookeeper> i'll have a look
20100701 15:11:34< Gambit> Setting random_traits=no fixes  the traits, but it still assigns them a race for some crazy reason.
20100701 15:11:47< Gambit> It might be that having any other era installed does it.
20100701 15:12:04< Gambit> It seems to take the first custom race in alphabetical order.
20100701 15:13:19< Gambit> Hmmm Clockwork Dwarves have a unit named soldier
20100701 15:13:26< Gambit> but mine has a prefix on the ID
20100701 15:14:58< zookeeper> it's missing the race id, maybe that's why
20100701 15:15:17< zookeeper> try adding that and see if it helps
20100701 15:15:45< Gambit> well yeah that would help
20100701 15:15:54< Gambit> but I don't see why I should have to
20100701 15:15:58< zookeeper> ...
20100701 15:16:10< Gambit> without BEEM or AE or any other eras isntalled it behaves properly and puts them under "Miscellaneous"
20100701 15:16:13< Gambit> (spelling?)
20100701 15:16:24< zookeeper> puts what?
20100701 15:16:27< Gambit> The units.
20100701 15:16:30< zookeeper> what units?
20100701 15:16:35< Gambit> My raceless ones.
20100701 15:17:00< Gambit> I guess I'll have to for now.
20100701 15:17:02< zookeeper> you have raceless units and are complaining that they don't work? i guess i just wasted my time...
20100701 15:17:05< Gambit> But (imo) this is a bug.
20100701 15:17:20< Gambit> It behaves one way (the right way!) when you have no other add-ons
20100701 15:17:22< zookeeper> i have no idea why you'd think raceless units would work
20100701 15:17:36< Gambit> zookeeper: Because you can define the movetype and traits inside a unit type
20100701 15:18:25< Gambit> It shouldn't just go down through the list of add-on races and assign the first one it finds :\
20100701 15:23:07< Gambit> Well sorry to have wasted your time.
20100701 15:23:48< AI0867> Gambit: if BEEM and/or ageless actually break stuff merely by being installed, post in their threads and if it isn't fixed, get someone to remove them from the add-on server
20100701 15:24:13< Gambit> AI0867: Well apparently it will happen with any addon that adds new races.
20100701 15:24:43< AI0867> the key you want is probably ignore_race_traits
20100701 15:24:50< AI0867> but yes, you should always assign a race
20100701 15:25:24< Gambit> What's weird is it didn't do that with the default ones.
20100701 15:26:11< Gambit> Well it's all weird actually...
20100701 15:26:41< zookeeper> <zookeeper> it's missing the race id, maybe that's why <- i was referring to the clockword dwarves
20100701 15:27:10< zookeeper> -work, even
20100701 15:30:22< Gambit> So it's id is literally blank...
20100701 15:30:33< Gambit> So when you have no race for a unit it's race is blank
20100701 15:30:45< Gambit> and blank is clockwork dwarves?
20100701 15:30:52< Gambit> s/it's/its/
20100701 15:31:47< Gambit> zookeeper: And yeah I totally misunderstood you before...
20100701 15:36:15< Gambit> looks like I'll be spending my day downloading/checking eras and bumping threads.
20100701 15:40:25< Gambit> There are a lot more MP Era than I thought...
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20100701 16:26:44< Gambit> Strange. Income in [side] and [modify_side] are zeroed at -2 right?
20100701 16:26:50< Gambit> But [store_side] is zeroed at 0
20100701 16:27:13< Gambit> So to up income by one, you store the side, *subtract* one from the income value that gives, and then use [modify_side]?
20100701 16:28:08< Gambit> That last question was rhetorical.
20100701 16:30:03< Gambit> (and the answer is "Yes. That is really messed up."
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