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20100703 02:29:35< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Remotely accessing an external hard drive hooked up to another Linux machine over the network as if it was hooked up locally, without interrupting the scheduled automatic backups to a folder in that HDD.
20100703 02:29:39< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Possible?
20100703 02:30:46< Aethaeryn> Also, if I had an ethernet switch (kinda like a router but with no routing) hooked up to the ethernet cable upstairs, could I use it to give wired connections to both my desktop and laptop at the same time without having to run two ethernet cables upstairs? (The router is downstairs.)
20100703 02:33:39< shadowm_laptop> no idea
20100703 02:34:34< Aethaeryn> hmm
20100703 02:34:59< Aethaeryn> Damn.
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20100703 02:44:27< Aethaeryn> 20:43:54 <Aethaeryn> Steam powered machines: 1780s
20100703 02:44:27< Aethaeryn> 20:44:08 <Aethaeryn> Nuclear bombs: 1940s
20100703 02:44:27< Aethaeryn> 20:44:11 <Aethaeryn> Just 160 years.
20100703 02:45:03< Aethaeryn> ^ Just in case anyone claims that the 150 year timeline from the beginning of the "before human unification" timeline to the Thunderstone Trilogy is an unrealistically short amount of time.
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20100703 02:45:25< Aethaeryn> Remember, we didn't have the help of aliens/precursors already having invented stuff, guns already existing for thousands of years, and FTL travel already existing! 
20100703 02:46:53< Gambit> Or that little thing called magic.
20100703 02:46:56< Aethaeryn> I'm certain 400 years of human progress (1700 to 2100) can happen in 200 years given the conditions of Irdya preceding Thunderstone.
20100703 02:47:14< Aethaeryn> *Especially* since it can be magically enhanced with runes (dwarves) or plain' old magic (humans/elves)
20100703 02:48:12< Aethaeryn> Remember, the Thunderstone people still use tanks and aircraft and guns. They're not into phaser-and-teleport sci-fi level.
20100703 02:48:23< Gambit> Aethaeryn: also our humans aren't unified :D
20100703 02:48:29< Gambit> so who knows
20100703 02:48:36< Aethaeryn> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Future_History
20100703 02:48:45< Gambit> we might get space flight 150 years after America takes over the rest of the world too!
20100703 02:49:00< Aethaeryn> Gambit: 150 BU
20100703 02:49:02< Aethaeryn> Before Unification
20100703 02:49:08< Gambit> Oh I thought you were defending it from IRL arguments.
20100703 02:49:16 * Gambit stops helping you then.
20100703 02:49:44< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Anyway, based on the whole "advancing at least twice as fast as modern humans advance" I think we can kinda harmonize the Future History timeline by saying roughly 50 years between 147 DE and 150 BU? Sound ok?
20100703 02:49:52< Aethaeryn> Espreon wants a bit of a time gap. We need to figure out how big.
20100703 02:56:58< shadowm_laptop> AtS ends on 160 DE
20100703 02:57:35< shadowm_laptop> I'd either give it 100 or 150 years, or leave it undefined
20100703 02:58:54< Aethaeryn> I guess we can assume 100-150 years, while at the same time leaving it up to whoever makes a bridge campaign to actually define the solid dates.
20100703 02:59:05< Aethaeryn> Espreon: ^
20100703 02:59:39< Espreon> Sounds fine, I guess.
20100703 03:02:20< Aethaeryn> so the human unification event takes place approx. 150 years after the Thunderstone timeline starts
20100703 03:03:09< Aethaeryn> so roughly 250-400 years from AtS to the Thunderstone Trilogy (excluding prologue scenarios, two of which take place before even TRoW)
20100703 03:03:12< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: your patch looks fine to me
20100703 03:03:30< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Is that gap big enough?
20100703 03:03:54< Aethaeryn> again, it's the difference between 1700s-level-tech and 2100s-level-tech
20100703 03:04:06< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Sounds good.
20100703 03:04:18< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: OK, I'll send it to the author.
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20100703 05:02:48< Aethaeryn> Espreon: 1 − 1 = 0
20100703 05:02:56< Aethaeryn> There's a minus sign!
20100703 05:02:59< Aethaeryn> - is not minus!
20100703 05:03:00< Aethaeryn> − is
20100703 05:03:12< Aethaeryn> my world is shattered
20100703 05:07:17< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Uh, it's a hyphen-minus.
20100703 05:07:27< Espreon> So, you're fine if you wanna be lazy.
20100703 05:07:44< Aethaeryn> Espreon: well.
20100703 05:07:54< Aethaeryn> − is listed in the mathematics section as "minus"
20100703 05:07:55< Aethaeryn> so
20100703 05:08:16< Aethaeryn> oh, this is the division slash: ∕
20100703 05:08:22< Aethaeryn> note the difference between ∕ and /
20100703 05:08:24< Espreon> Unlike linguistics, math isn't serious shit.
20100703 05:09:21< Espreon> Thank you ±.
20100703 05:09:26< Aethaeryn> ⊯
20100703 05:09:33< Aethaeryn> ^ a mathematical symbol.
20100703 05:09:42< Aethaeryn> Espreon: I'm sorry, mathematics is just a language.
20100703 05:23:54< Espreon> Hmmmmm... it would be nice if the ability tags were more versatile...
20100703 05:29:44< Espreon> Gambit: Don't you agree that it would be nice if that were true (in terms of filtering)?
20100703 05:30:14< Gambit> Espreon: I think everything in WML should be more versitle so yes!
20100703 05:30:21< Gambit> We should be able to define our own statuses too
20100703 05:30:25< Espreon> I shall submit an FR!
20100703 05:32:24< Gambit> Espreon: Call it "make everything in WML more versitle"?
20100703 05:32:55< Espreon> No, no, that's for next Tuesday.
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20100703 06:01:33< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Do you think that "siphon" is a good name for a heal-on-X-terrain ability?
20100703 06:03:57< Espreon> *siphons
20100703 06:05:53< Espreon> Well, or "X siphon".
20100703 06:11:27< Aethaeryn> hmmm
20100703 06:11:40< Aethaeryn> looks very greek
20100703 06:11:47< Aethaeryn> You sure that would classify as English by your standards?
20100703 06:12:03< Espreon> Well, the lingua franca is shit, so I'm writing it in shit.
20100703 06:12:07< Espreon> *Shit
20100703 06:12:33< Aethaeryn> From Greek σίφων, “‘pipe, tube’”)
20100703 06:12:34< Aethaeryn> yep
20100703 06:12:44< Aethaeryn> they could have at least tried to change it a bit from the Greek
20100703 06:12:48< Aethaeryn> that's basically a straight up transliteration.
20100703 06:12:57< Aethaeryn> very easy for a linguistian like me to pick up
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20100703 06:32:54-!- Topic for #wesnoth-umc-dev: Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project @ SF.net: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
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20100703 06:32:54-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-umc-dev: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 3 voices, 10 normal]
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20100703 06:33:20-!- Channel #wesnoth-umc-dev created Mon Mar 31 16:51:24 2008
20100703 06:34:00< Espreon> Stop complaining, for Frogatto isn't intended for the end-user yet.
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20100703 06:35:15< Aethaeryn> Espreon: not *my* fault you guys have a public SVN
20100703 06:35:31< Aethaeryn> If you make SVN of your program available, you're going to have to suffer through me playing it.
20100703 06:36:12< Espreon> Riveting tale, chap!
20100703 06:36:31< Aethaeryn> should've used git or something else I don't yet know how to use
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20100703 07:49:18< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~$ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info 
20100703 07:49:18< shadowmaster> present:                 yes
20100703 07:49:18< shadowmaster> design capacity:         6000 mAh
20100703 07:49:19< shadowmaster> last full capacity:      2496 mAh
20100703 07:49:43< shadowmaster> - despite what Linux is saying it's really 4000 mAh by design
20100703 07:49:53< shadowmaster> remaining capacity:      256 mAh
20100703 07:49:58< shadowmaster> oh man
20100703 07:50:18< Aethaeryn> design capacity:         6000 mAh
20100703 07:50:18< Aethaeryn> last full capacity:      7296 mAh
20100703 07:50:21< Aethaeryn> :-)
20100703 07:51:34< Aethaeryn> I think this is probably 8000 by design... It's a double battery, which has the effect of permanently raising the laptop on a slight slant, like a kickstand.
20100703 07:51:49< Aethaeryn> so I take it that command reads everything as 6000? :-P
20100703 07:52:28< shadowmaster> that commands reads from the ACPI subsystem's internal status
20100703 07:52:40< shadowmaster> from the battery module to be specific
20100703 07:52:41< shadowmaster> so if anything these are kernel bugs
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20100703 14:37:35< Gambit> Haha I just visited a website of a rather large video game company. 1. They have errors. 2. And this is the funny part, they display a full debug report to *external* visitors.
20100703 14:37:50< Gambit> That debug report includes instructions on how to make an error redirect in order to hide itself xD
20100703 14:38:44< Gambit> Shame on their web developer.
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20100703 15:14:47< Espreon> shadowmaster: What's the proper way to say "website" in Spanish; I saw «sitio web», but... yeahz... ?
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20100703 15:58:40< loonycyborg> "sitio" sounds so latin that it makes me think what is the prober way of saying "website" in latin :P
20100703 15:59:37< Espreon> Hmmmmmm, well, Spanish is a Romance language... so... yeahz...
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20100703 16:09:37< Gambit> If sitio were latin it'd be a verb.
20100703 16:10:06< Gambit> I do something
20100703 16:10:30< Gambit> (right?)
20100703 16:12:07< Espreon> I don't think so.
20100703 16:12:20< Gambit> sadness
20100703 16:12:34< Espreon> Facere is to do/make.
20100703 16:12:37< Gambit> Well I've only taken one year of it but AFAIK there's no nouns ending in an o.
20100703 16:13:01< Gambit> o is the ending for present tense first person verbs
20100703 16:13:47< Espreon> Well, this is how it evolved for Spanish: typically, "-us" -> "-o"
20100703 16:14:03< Gambit> Espreon: I didn't mean literally "do something"
20100703 16:14:09< Gambit> I meant to act. To preform a verb.
20100703 16:14:53< Espreon> Uh huh, I see...
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20100703 16:17:21 * Espreon cannot wait to get his Icelandic book... in November.
20100703 16:17:59< Gambit> Espreon: So are you going to learn every language in the world?
20100703 16:18:15< Gambit> You will be most useful to the space project after I help America take over the world.
20100703 16:18:18< Espreon> No, just the ones I care about.
20100703 16:18:29< Espreon> Oh, how so?
20100703 16:19:14< Espreon> So, we have: Coptic, Ancient Ægyptian, Ancient Greek, Sanskrit, Old English, Old Norse, Old High German, Gothic... ...
20100703 16:19:19< Gambit> You learn langauges quickly.
20100703 16:19:26< Espreon> I guess.
20100703 16:19:27< Gambit> We'll need someone to communicate with the aliens!
20100703 16:19:43< Espreon> ... and yes, Sanskrit is still used today.
20100703 16:19:49< Espreon> People actually still speak in it...
20100703 16:20:11< Gambit> Espreon: I want you to learn the Huli language of Papau New Guinea
20100703 16:20:28< Gambit> Mainly because they count in base 15
20100703 16:21:10< Espreon> But, Manchu is moar worthy.
20100703 16:23:29< Gambit> Espreon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentadecimal#Natural_languages
20100703 16:24:40< Espreon> Noöne cares about maths...
20100703 16:24:43< Gambit> wow: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=439867#p439867
20100703 16:24:53< Gambit> Now there's a dedicated idea asker ^
20100703 16:25:22< Espreon> Tch, yeah...
20100703 16:25:44< Gambit> In fact... every single one of his 11 posts are about PBM...
20100703 16:25:54< Espreon> What is PBM?
20100703 16:26:01< Gambit> play by email
20100703 16:26:08< Espreon> O...K...
20100703 16:26:41< Gambit> They want a feature that automatically emails savegames back and forth I guess.
20100703 16:27:58< Gambit> You know what...
20100703 16:28:12< Gambit> This: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=300301#p300301
20100703 16:28:16< Gambit> can be done in WML
20100703 16:28:46< Gambit> zookeeper: How fast is [replace_map]?
20100703 16:29:24< Espreon> Gambit: Pssst, just look at TSL.
20100703 16:29:36< Gambit> They might still see part of their opponent's side?
20100703 16:30:17< Gambit> Wait that doesn't hide units...
20100703 16:30:21< Espreon> Well, [replace_map] by itself is swift... I think.
20100703 16:30:37< Gambit> well if on turn refresh you stored (and killed) all the units on that team instantly
20100703 16:30:43< Gambit> and then added a right click menu button to put them back
20100703 16:30:49< Gambit> then it might work
20100703 16:30:56< Espreon> : In scenarios that use my multifloor system, I typically have shroud in effect.
20100703 16:31:02 * Espreon kills colon
20100703 16:31:06< Gambit> Espreon: yeah I was thinking from the perspective of a building addon XD
20100703 16:31:12< Gambit> You don't need to hide the map for PBEM
20100703 16:31:18< Gambit> I need to hide the units XD
20100703 16:31:30< Gambit> zookeeper: Sorry for bothering you for no reason again. :(
20100703 16:32:08< zookeeper> huh?
20100703 16:32:22< zookeeper> i have no idea
20100703 16:33:39< Gambit> You know if WML could make HTTP requests; integrated PBEM would be entirely possible! -smugleaf.png-
20100703 16:40:58< Gambit> Actually it wouldn't.
20100703 16:41:06< Gambit> Well it would.
20100703 16:41:12< Gambit> But it'd be impratical.
20100703 16:41:29< Gambit> The urls would have to be the length of a save file.
20100703 16:41:33< Gambit> Unless...
20100703 16:41:42< Gambit> If you invented some sort of notation.
20100703 16:42:21< Gambit> No actually. It's not possible.
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20100703 17:04:49< timotei> damn it, Konversation in kubuntu doesn't let me minimize/close to tray :|
20100703 17:05:43< Gambit> timotei: Quassel is good
20100703 17:06:18< timotei> Gambit: ok, I'll try that
20100703 17:06:23< timotei> Gambit: you have kubuntu?
20100703 17:06:41< Espreon> No, try irssi!
20100703 17:07:18< timotei> Espreon: sorry, don't have time now to try things:|
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20100703 17:08:20< Espreon> ...
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20100703 17:36:33< Gambit> timotei: Yes I have kubuntu
20100703 18:02:30< timotei> Espreon: you wouldn't want to see what awfull fonts I have in kubuntu :D
20100703 18:02:57< Espreon> Oh, why do you say that?
20100703 18:03:00< timotei> you'll cry
20100703 18:03:11< timotei> sabayon's was MUCH better
20100703 18:03:32< Espreon> Well, why the hell are you using Kubuntu anyway?
20100703 18:04:03< timotei> Espreon: I'm not on my notebook
20100703 18:04:12< timotei> forgot it is bricked?:|
20100703 18:04:48< Espreon> I see.
20100703 18:10:19< timotei> Espreon: could you snapshot the "Settings->Appearance->Fonts dialog?" :-)
20100703 18:11:09< Espreon> Yes, and I shall.
20100703 18:11:45< timotei> thank you. fortunately you're the first one I'd ask about fonts and things as such because of your "obsession" 
20100703 18:11:50< timotei> :P
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20100703 18:12:20< Espreon> My obsession involves covering all of Unicode with decent fonts.
20100703 18:12:29< timotei> sorry, not obsession, but "too much carefullness" if that's appropiate
20100703 18:13:04< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=300301#p300301
20100703 18:13:07< Espreon> Whoops.
20100703 18:13:16< timotei> :))
20100703 18:14:05< Espreon> http://imagebin.org/103931 — Sorry about "Window title"; that is "DevaJu Sans 8", bold.
20100703 18:15:38< Espreon> ... and I need to go.
20100703 18:15:39< Espreon> Byez.
20100703 18:15:43< timotei> ok
20100703 18:15:43 * Espreon disappears...
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20100703 19:45:05< timotei21> Gambit: sorry, quassel takes up to 45 MB and konversation 10
20100703 19:45:08< timotei21> thanks but no:D
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20100703 19:45:56< Gambit> timotei21: There's also pidgin.
20100703 19:46:01< Gambit> But I hear it's not so great. :P
20100703 19:46:10< timotei21> konversation is good enough:D
20100703 19:46:23< Gambit> You'd think every IRC client would have the option to minimize to task tray.
20100703 19:46:32< Gambit> It seems so essential and so "duh" for a chat program.
20100703 19:48:21< timotei21> well on sabayon konversation closed/minimized to tray
20100703 19:48:24< timotei21> on kubuntu not :(
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20100703 21:36:19< Espreon> timotei: irssi is even smaller...
20100703 21:36:39< Espreon> In other news, I just saw "Toy Story 3"; 'twas awesome.
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20100703 21:42:02< Espreon> Hmmmm... ponzu is awesome.
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20100703 22:36:10< Espreon> shadowmaster: Yay, the author of q4wine committed my fixes.
20100703 22:37:16< shadowm_laptop> great!
20100703 22:40:53< shadowmaster> "sitio web" is correct
20100703 22:41:20< Espreon> Well, that's lazy...
20100703 22:41:35< Espreon> At least fully calque it...
20100703 23:03:49< shadowmaster> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_fglrx_open&num=1
20100703 23:04:01< shadowmaster> this sorta makes me want to try catalyst/fglrx again
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20100703 23:40:34< shadowmaster> blargh.
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20100703 23:46:59<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7380 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/units/elementals/ (Brazier_Whelpling.cfg Living_Volcano.cfg): TSL: got rid of the Brazier Whelpling and the Living Volcano.
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