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20100704 01:19:03< Aethaeryn> w00t
20100704 01:19:15< Aethaeryn> Hooked up my old wifi switch from freshman year to my ethernet cable I ran upstairs..
20100704 01:19:21< Aethaeryn> And found two short ethernet cables.
20100704 01:19:26< Aethaeryn> *wired switch
20100704 01:19:28< Aethaeryn> :-P
20100704 01:19:33< Aethaeryn> 5-port ethernet switch...
20100704 01:19:56< Aethaeryn> anyway, so now I have wired Internet from my router downstairs on both my desktop and laptop at my desk, and I didn't need to run up any additional cables.
20100704 01:20:36< Aethaeryn> All that's left now is to finish configuring the networking on my desktop, and to move the external HDD to it.
20100704 01:21:19< Aethaeryn> Oooh, now I can objectively tell that Internet on a fast computer is better than Internet on an average computer, even if they both are using the wired internet.
20100704 01:22:48< Aethaeryn> Well, the Internet itself isn't faster (about the same speed) but it downloads faster.
20100704 01:22:56< Aethaeryn> the same SVN update
20100704 01:23:35< Aethaeryn> Espreon: the Command Center is one more step toward completion! :-)
20100704 01:24:05< Espreon> Yay...
20100704 01:24:56< Aethaeryn> I need to get SSH, irssi, virtualization, and a bunch of networking things working on my desktop
20100704 01:25:08< Aethaeryn> so I can move my external HDD to it without messing up my laptop's set up
20100704 01:25:53< Aethaeryn> Then it's pretty much set until I have money next summer to do things like get it an SSD (as its new primary drive) and a few other upgrades.
20100704 01:26:52< Aethaeryn> Over time, over many years, I'll have more monitors, probably move the current motherboard to a smaller case, and get a new mothboard so I'll have a primary desktop and an always-on server...
20100704 01:27:09< Aethaeryn> And I'll have another laptop by this point since my laptop will turn 3 next summer and is getting old.
20100704 01:27:52< Aethaeryn> Sometimes draems *can* come true. :-)
20100704 01:28:01< Aethaeryn> (The trick is to be single, girlfriends are expensive.)
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20100704 03:08:02< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Around?
20100704 03:08:57< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20100704 03:10:05< Espreon> Any ideas for a name for an ability that drains HP from all surrounding enemies every turn?
20100704 03:11:12< Gambit> "stench"
20100704 03:11:25< Gambit> Espreon: wait drains... so they heal?
20100704 03:12:23< Aethaeryn> Espreon: siphon might actually work
20100704 03:13:07< Espreon> Meh, then I'll need a name for heals-on-X-terrain abilities.
20100704 03:13:51< Espreon> But, yeah, I'll use "siphon" for this one.
20100704 03:15:24< Aethaeryn> yeah, I just think siphon is more fitting here, that's all
20100704 03:18:54< shadowmaster> what the hell is going on
20100704 03:18:58< shadowmaster> cookie_, ninja_
20100704 03:19:09< shadowmaster> same email address
20100704 03:20:17< shadowmaster> to the shadowmobile!
20100704 03:20:44< Gambit> shadowmaster: spambot troubles?
20100704 03:21:19< shadowmaster> no
20100704 03:21:23< shadowmaster> it's some MP player
20100704 03:21:39< Espreon> Hmmm... this sucks... I have no idea how to implement these two abilities.
20100704 03:21:50< Espreon> (Siphon and ontological warping)
20100704 03:21:53< shadowmaster> I don't know if we have any policy on MP alts
20100704 03:22:20< shadowmaster> but it does look pretty suspicious
20100704 03:22:22< Gambit> signed up in two minutes of each other?
20100704 03:22:27< Gambit> He can't be evading a ban.
20100704 03:22:33< shadowmaster> CRAP. I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS IN A PUBLIC CHANNEL.
20100704 03:22:40< Gambit> YEAHZ
20100704 03:22:42< shadowmaster> Gambit: unlikely since Cookie_ is in the server.
20100704 03:22:45< Gambit> shadowmaster: but don't stop :'(
20100704 03:22:56 * Gambit likes knowing things :D
20100704 03:23:14< shadowmaster> you could Go Mad From The Revelation, y'know
20100704 03:23:37< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: are we allowed to have alts?
20100704 03:23:51< Espreon> Gambit: Would you please help your dear friend?
20100704 03:23:51< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: the answer is the same I gave you the last time.
20100704 03:23:56< Aethaeryn> like what if I registered "Aeth" or something...
20100704 03:24:00< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'll be fine.
20100704 03:24:04< Gambit> Espreon: which dear friend?
20100704 03:24:17< Gambit> shadowmaster: Can franbot have a forum account?
20100704 03:24:18< Gambit> :D
20100704 03:24:32< Espreon> Gambit: Espreon.
20100704 03:24:44< Gambit> Espreon: Oh him...
20100704 03:24:45< shadowmaster> Gambit: the answer is the same I gave you the last time.
20100704 03:25:28< Gambit> Espreon: Devour
20100704 03:25:40< Espreon> No! I have the names.
20100704 03:25:49< Espreon> I need help implementing the abilities.
20100704 03:26:12< shadowmaster> .
20100704 03:26:13< shadowmaster> Meet the World’s Best Browser
20100704 03:26:13< shadowmaster> Be sure to upgrade to the latest Firefox, featuring improved security, stability, personalization and more.
20100704 03:26:16< shadowmaster> .
20100704 03:26:18< shadowmaster> bullshit.
20100704 03:26:29< Aethaeryn> It's not the world's best browser?
20100704 03:26:50< shadowmaster> but I still want to try 3.6.
20100704 03:26:56< shadowmaster> GIVE ME THE FUCKING AMD64 BINARY, YOU BASTARDS
20100704 03:27:07< Aethaeryn> I have 3.6 on my 64-bit desktop.
20100704 03:27:11< Gambit> Espreon: Sin Harvest
20100704 03:27:26< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: Fedora gave you that I suppose.
20100704 03:27:33< Espreon> Gambit: Why are you throwing names at me? I need help implementing the abilities.
20100704 03:27:39< shadowmaster> but Mozilla doesn't provide non-i386 binaries themselves
20100704 03:27:43< shadowmaster> i686
20100704 03:27:46< Gambit> Espreon: It's fun.
20100704 03:28:03< Gambit> Espreon: ^That wasn't the answer to your question. That was another name. "It's fun" ability.
20100704 03:28:04< Gambit> :D
20100704 03:28:23< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: yeah, Fedora gave me that.
20100704 03:28:23< Espreon> Well, then I guess that I should give that giant cookie that I was going to give to you to shadowmaster instead.
20100704 03:28:37< Aethaeryn> I only compile a very limited amount of applications.
20100704 03:28:45< Aethaeryn> Mostly games where I want to keep up with the latest updates.
20100704 03:28:54< Aethaeryn> Games probably have the worst lag time in Fedora's packaging.
20100704 03:29:08< Gambit> Espreon: What's the first ability?
20100704 03:29:14< Gambit> And what's my deadline?
20100704 03:30:04< Espreon> Well, I'd like to take care of siphon first. Siphon drains HP from all surrounding enemies every turn. The range of the ability equals the level of the user.
20100704 03:30:09< Espreon> The power...
20100704 03:30:11< Espreon> Hmmm...
20100704 03:30:24< Espreon> Maybe 2L/3L (L = the level of the user)
20100704 03:30:42< Gambit> Seems rather trivial to me...
20100704 03:30:48< Espreon> Deadline: Sunday at 12:45 PM.
20100704 03:30:59< Gambit> Espreon: We get to use events neh?
20100704 03:31:40< Gambit> Because I don't think current ability code allows for that sort of thing
20100704 03:31:45< Espreon> As long as I don't have to inject them in the scenario.
20100704 03:32:05< Gambit> Espreon: events can go in eras though
20100704 03:32:07< Espreon> I don't mind having them in the ability macro.
20100704 03:32:33< Espreon> Gambit: This is for a campaign/mainline core.
20100704 03:32:38< Espreon> Oh, shit!
20100704 03:32:41< Espreon> Oh well.
20100704 03:33:01< Gambit> s/eras/_main.cfg ?
20100704 03:33:08< Espreon> Gross.
20100704 03:33:12< Gambit> (actually I don't think that's true)
20100704 03:33:28< Gambit> I've never toyed with putting things inside units.
20100704 03:33:36< Gambit> Sounds dirty.
20100704 03:33:43< Gambit> And by dirty I mean messy to debug
20100704 03:33:44< Espreon> Look at IftU/TSL's door unit.
20100704 03:33:51< Espreon> Well, no.
20100704 03:33:59< Espreon> Look at the feeding ability.
20100704 03:34:09< Gambit> Espreon: Case in point?
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20100704 03:34:46< Espreon> Hmmmmmmmmm?
20100704 03:35:01< shadowmaster> ...this person actually has 6 forum accounts
20100704 03:35:04< shadowmaster> all of them with 0 posts
20100704 03:35:09< Gambit> Espreon: Well it certainly won't be anymore tonight.
20100704 03:35:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: lol
20100704 03:35:29< Aethaeryn> http://www.tinycorelinux.com/
20100704 03:35:32< Espreon> Gambit: The point is that I don't wanna rely on filthy methods.
20100704 03:35:37< Espreon> Core doesn't need it.
20100704 03:35:39< Aethaeryn> Espreon: 6 MB iso
20100704 03:35:44< Gambit> Espreon: sticking events inside units == FILTHIEST METHOD OF ALL
20100704 03:35:49< Espreon> Never.
20100704 03:35:56< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Riveting tale, chap.
20100704 03:36:10< shadowmaster> Espreon: quit using that, it makes you look like an idiot.
20100704 03:36:20< Espreon> But, he told a riveting tale.
20100704 03:36:36< shadowmaster> you don't fool anyone
20100704 03:36:48< shadowmaster> it's your personalized version of "cool story, bro"
20100704 03:36:51< shadowmaster> and I hate that
20100704 03:36:55< Espreon> It's not.
20100704 03:37:07< shadowmaster> yes it is.
20100704 03:37:11< shadowmaster> it means exactly the same shit
20100704 03:37:13< Espreon> "Riveting tale, chap" is the most common verbose version of "Cool story, bro".
20100704 03:37:19< Espreon> Fool.
20100704 03:37:28 * shadowmaster kicks Espreon 
20100704 03:37:38< Gambit> It's Ye olde FOOL!
20100704 03:37:59< shadowmaster> People, we have a trope!
20100704 03:38:01< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe
20100704 03:38:09< Espreon> No.
20100704 03:38:49< shadowmaster> no what?
20100704 03:38:55< Espreon> Just, NO!
20100704 03:39:06< Espreon> OK?
20100704 03:39:06< shadowmaster> no what, again?
20100704 03:39:11< shadowmaster> who are you replying to?
20100704 03:39:19< Gambit> Just say no to TvTropes kids.
20100704 03:39:19< shadowmaster> I'm talking to Gambit.
20100704 03:39:21< Espreon> I am tired of hearing about these God-damned tropes.
20100704 03:39:28< shadowmaster> your problem
20100704 03:39:30< Gambit> Espreon doesn't do trope anymore.
20100704 03:39:34< shadowmaster> :p
20100704 03:39:34< Espreon> I never did them.
20100704 03:40:34< Gambit> [ironically]THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID![/ironically]
20100704 03:40:37< Espreon> Gambit: Anyway, the point is that I don't wanna have to actually put events in the content where the ability is going to be used.
20100704 03:41:03< Gambit> Espreon: And why not?
20100704 03:41:20< Espreon> Why do you think?
20100704 03:41:38< Gambit> Because you just want to be "cool" and stick events inside units.
20100704 03:41:47< Gambit> It's apparently the latest sensation.
20100704 03:42:10< Espreon> No.
20100704 03:42:14< Espreon> I just don't like the idea.
20100704 03:42:43< Gambit> Fuck [unit_type]
20100704 03:42:59< Espreon> Well, screw you, I have AI0867!
20100704 03:43:04< Gambit> You can't use variables in it. They don't transfer across the network.
20100704 03:43:11< Espreon> Fuck the network.
20100704 03:43:26< Gambit> Take that back you filthy mongrel!
20100704 03:43:30< Espreon> No.
20100704 03:43:31< Gambit> Espreon: Actually I'm not refusing.
20100704 03:43:44< Gambit> I just maintain that it's the dirtiest way of doing things.
20100704 03:44:34< Espreon> Meh, fuck this until it can be done in a more proper manner.
20100704 03:44:48 * Espreon is too lazy to make an FR and nag someone.
20100704 03:44:55< Espreon> So, maybe tomorrow.
20100704 03:45:10< Gambit> It's too late at night to invent things.
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20100704 03:45:48< Gambit> You invent brand new weirdness during the day. You code mundanities at night.
20100704 03:46:35 * King_Elendil must have joined in the middle of a unique conversation 
20100704 03:47:48< Espreon> Excellent, I felt like doing something, the engine's limitations stopped me, and now I feel like doing nothing.
20100704 03:47:54< shadowmaster> King_Elendil: did you come here ony to state the obvious?
20100704 03:48:01< Gambit> Espreon: Don't you just HATE it when that happens?
20100704 03:48:37< shadowmaster> okay, I'm going to install fglrx
20100704 03:48:37< King_Elendil> shadowmaster: no, but I guess it worked out that way ;)
20100704 03:48:44< shadowmaster> for the nth time
20100704 03:49:01< shadowmaster> if shadowm_laptop doesn't come back after 30 minutes of rebooting, you can assume that I killed the laptop
20100704 03:49:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: no
20100704 03:49:16< Gambit> Don't risk it!
20100704 03:49:31< shadowmaster> in such case I'll probably come back from blackcore or greycore
20100704 03:49:36< Gambit> Oh okay.
20100704 03:50:03< shadowmaster> insert evil laugh here
20100704 03:50:50< Espreon> ... and I don't feel like writing an FR because I don't know exactly what I need implemented in the engine.
20100704 03:50:52< Gambit> Funny. I've been there.
20100704 03:50:56< Gambit> And you've been here.
20100704 03:51:05< Gambit> And we aint had no time to drink that beer.
20100704 03:51:40< shadowmaster> module installed
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20100704 03:52:18< King_Elendil> will it work...
20100704 03:52:21< Espreon> Meh, too lazy to think, I'm gonna have to talk about it with someone who actually knows shit about the engine and stuff......................
20100704 03:52:45< King_Elendil> whoa, no need to talk like that.
20100704 03:53:06< Espreon> Dude, this is not a G-rated channel.
20100704 03:53:35< King_Elendil> does that mean we don't have to practice self control?
20100704 03:53:38< Espreon> Besides, I was merely using the native term for fæces, you insensitive, Norman-worshipping meanie.
20100704 03:54:15< King_Elendil> whatever. 
20100704 03:55:20< Espreon> Gambit: Why do people have to be so insensitive?
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20100704 03:56:51< shadowm_tty> something failed.
20100704 03:57:14< Espreon> Awwwwww...
20100704 03:57:36< King_Elendil> darn
20100704 03:57:45< shadowm_tty> X doesn't want to start and I'm checking why
20100704 03:58:18< shadowm_tty> how odd.
20100704 03:58:23< shadowm_tty> nothing in the server log indicates failure.
20100704 03:58:28< shadowm_tty> at least not from fglrx.
20100704 03:58:56< shadowm_tty> oh, it looks like it was the touchpad driver that failed.
20100704 03:59:36< shadowm_tty> okay, TTY switching appears to work correctly
20100704 03:59:53< shadowm_tty> that's a good sign
20100704 04:00:15< shadowm_tty> starting KDE now
20100704 04:00:21 * King_Elendil almost stated the obvious again
20100704 04:00:40< shadowm_tty> kwin composition is working
20100704 04:01:05< shadowm_tty> I don't hear any unusual sounds
20100704 04:01:32< shadowm_tty> although I'd really need the fan to shut down to check that .
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20100704 04:03:01< shadowm_laptop> frogatto is working
20100704 04:04:01< shadowm_laptop> very usable with kwin composition active, but it's way better without that.
20100704 04:04:57< shadowm_laptop> testing S3 suspension now...
20100704 04:05:13< shadowm_laptop> it works!
20100704 04:05:42< shadowm_laptop> the performance of moving windows without compositing sucks a bit tho
20100704 04:05:59< shadowm_laptop> hm...although it seems to be so only for terminator
20100704 04:06:57< shadowmaster> it's throwing a few errors to the kernel log buffer for wahatever reason
20100704 04:07:30< shadowmaster> [fglrx:firegl_acpi_video_event] *ERROR* Could not find private acpi context by video busid: LCD
20100704 04:08:20< shadowmaster> but it's looking fine otherwise
20100704 04:08:23< shadowmaster> let's try suspend to disk
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20100704 04:12:25< shadowmaster> hm, it's looking good
20100704 04:12:47< shadowmaster> although TOI had to try to suspend drivers thrice - might be option (the modem driver) though
20100704 04:13:35< shadowmaster> hm, more like it ran out of reserve pages
20100704 04:14:08< shadowmaster> I guess I can fix that something soonish
20100704 04:15:10< shadowmaster> in other news, Firefox feels slow like hell, but it's not the rendering.
20100704 04:15:14< shadowmaster> it's the tpying in the address bar.
20100704 04:15:19< shadowmaster> maybe I should shorten my history even more.
20100704 04:15:25< King_Elendil> You know more about computers than most professional repairmen in America!
20100704 04:16:06< shadowmaster> what?
20100704 04:16:26< Espreon> In America, knowing your way around Window's UI makes you a computer genius!
20100704 04:16:41< shadowmaster> wait - is that what they call it now? AMERICA?
20100704 04:16:52< shadowmaster> what about Canada, and the Caribbean, and South America...?
20100704 04:17:33< King_Elendil> I haven't been there, so I can't speak out of experience ;)
20100704 04:17:45< shadowmaster> you people are sick
20100704 04:17:51< King_Elendil> what?
20100704 04:18:15< Espreon> shadowmaster: Noöne wants to say "the United States of America".
20100704 04:18:27< shadowmaster> you think you are the entirety of America! :p
20100704 04:18:43< King_Elendil> I do?
20100704 04:18:53< shadowmaster> no. *you*, as in your country!
20100704 04:19:13< King_Elendil> man- I just now got it :/
20100704 04:19:17< King_Elendil> lol
20100704 04:19:24< shadowmaster> Espreon: so apparently I've had luck with fglrx
20100704 04:19:24< Espreon> shadowmaster: Don't you ever call it *my* country!
20100704 04:19:25< shadowmaster> I'm not recommending it to random people anyway
20100704 04:19:32< Espreon> Cool.
20100704 04:19:38< shadowmaster> Espreon: I wasn't talking to you :/
20100704 04:19:42< Espreon> Good.
20100704 04:19:45< shadowmaster> I was talking to King Elendil
20100704 04:20:04< shadowmaster> he came up with the "America" thing in the first place
20100704 04:20:39< King_Elendil> U.S.o.A. - You happy?
20100704 04:21:08< shadowmaster> U.S.
20100704 04:21:12< shadowmaster> U.S.A.
20100704 04:21:20< shadowmaster> but not America
20100704 04:21:25< shadowmaster> yeah ;)
20100704 04:21:40< King_Elendil> ok :D
20100704 04:22:05< shadowmaster> okay, how odd. terminator is very slow to switch dirs.
20100704 04:22:23< shadowmaster> oh, just *bash*
20100704 04:22:45< shadowmaster> and it stopped being slow after running zsh and exiting back to bash
20100704 04:22:56< shadowmaster> ._.
20100704 04:27:04< shadowmaster> xvideo appearsto work fine
20100704 04:28:56< King_Elendil> good night people :)
20100704 04:29:55< shadowmaster> konsole's performance (of all things) is better with fglrx.
20100704 04:30:00< shadowmaster> where by better I mean "it's actually usable again"
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20100704 04:53:09< shadowmaster> I wonder what's delaying a Linux 2.6.34.1 patch so much...
20100704 04:53:48< Gambit> shadowmaster: xvideo? Sounds dirty.
20100704 04:55:56< shadowmaster> your mind is dirty
20100704 04:56:10< shadowmaster> FUCK YOU GOOGLE
20100704 04:56:21< shadowmaster> ignore the first search result
20100704 04:56:30< shadowmaster> this one is good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_video_extension
20100704 04:56:55< Gambit> HAHA
20100704 05:01:56< Gambit> One point: Gambit
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20100704 05:09:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: why is my host mask suddenly different?
20100704 05:10:03< Gambit> ~quassel@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net
20100704 05:10:04< Gambit> is now
20100704 05:10:12< Gambit> ~quassel@67.234.73.7
20100704 05:10:14< shadowmaster> what as it before?
20100704 05:10:18< shadowmaster> oh.
20100704 05:10:27< Espreon> Well, this sucks... I can't do anything till tomorrow.
20100704 05:10:39< Gambit> I wouldn't even had noticed it if someone hadn't poked franbot.
20100704 05:10:51< shadowmaster> your ISP's rDNS entries might not be known by the ISP that handles the freenode server in which you were before
20100704 05:11:17< shadowmaster> nothing to worry about
20100704 05:11:33< Gambit> so because I set quassel up for irc.freenode.net I never know what server I'll be on
20100704 05:11:44< Gambit> vs always going to hubbard.freenode.net
20100704 05:11:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: well it is a tiny worry as my bot verifies on hostmask thinger
20100704 05:12:12< shadowmaster> that's unsafe.
20100704 05:12:33< shadowmaster> you could get an unaffiliated cloak to have a permanent fake hostname when you are authenticated to your services account
20100704 05:12:47< shadowmaster> you'd ask for it in #freenode
20100704 05:13:04< Gambit> I thought that's only for donatees
20100704 05:13:30< shadowmaster> no
20100704 05:13:41< shadowmaster> PDPC supporter cloaks are for donating people
20100704 05:13:46< shadowmaster> not the same thing as unaffiliated cloaks.
20100704 05:14:11< shadowmaster> (the Peer-Directed Projects Center is the organization that runs freenode at a legal level)
20100704 05:15:52< shadowmaster> for an example of what I consider "proper" bot authentication, umcreg checks for your services account *and* (optionally, but we use it anyway) hostname, with the later matching a given pattern
20100704 05:16:09< Gambit> how do you check against a services account?
20100704 05:16:47< shadowmaster> check for a 330 numeric in middle of a WHOIS reply sequence
20100704 05:17:11< Gambit> ah. franbot doesn't get that raw stuff and she can't WHOIS :(
20100704 05:17:26< shadowmaster> that sucks
20100704 05:18:28< Gambit> Janebot will be able to
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20100704 05:53:07< Espreon> Byez...
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20100704 07:05:27< shadowm_laptop> bleh, X.org keeps failing on startup due to the synaptics driver
20100704 07:05:35< shadowm_laptop> *on boot
20100704 07:05:49< shadowm_laptop> maybe it's conflicting with gpm due to this makefile-style parallel initialization
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20100704 07:13:00< shadowmaster> TOI issues - solved
20100704 07:18:01< shadowmaster> and apparently "aggressive" sound controller powersaving isn't broken by udev anymore!
20100704 07:18:11< shadowmaster> :D
20100704 08:43:39< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: you know how you hate vampires?
20100704 08:43:59< shadowmaster> uh?
20100704 08:44:09< shadowmaster> yes, I hate vampires.
20100704 08:44:13< shadowmaster> except for Count Duckula.
20100704 08:44:46< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mapcarpat2.png
20100704 08:44:52< Aethaeryn> Slovakia is almost entirely in the Carpathians :-P
20100704 08:45:08< Aethaeryn> So not only am I from that region of the world ethnically, I'm very pale. :-P
20100704 08:45:17< Aethaeryn> And I, a good geek, shun sunlight.
20100704 08:47:16< Aethaeryn> haha
20100704 08:47:31< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Now do you hate me?
20100704 08:47:44< Aethaeryn> Oh, I also sparkle or somethin'
20100704 08:47:50< shadowmaster> do you suck blood with your fangs?
20100704 08:48:20< Aethaeryn> uh
20100704 08:48:23< shadowmaster> are you  currently fetishized by teenager girls all around the world?
20100704 08:48:51< shadowmaster> do you have any known weakness to Christian crosses?
20100704 08:49:02< shadowmaster> do you transform into a bat?
20100704 08:49:13< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankh
20100704 08:49:16< Aethaeryn> I'm only afraid of those.
20100704 08:49:19< shadowmaster> if none of those are true, then you are not a vampire.
20100704 08:49:26< Aethaeryn> And I have a *cat*
20100704 08:49:30< Aethaeryn> so is that close enough?
20100704 08:49:33< shadowmaster> I like cats.
20100704 08:49:43< shadowmaster> but I don't transform into cats.
20100704 08:50:06< shadowmaster> "eternal life"? WOW. Now it makes sense...
20100704 08:50:19< shadowmaster> the invincibility item in Commander Keen 3 was ankh-shaped and I always wondered why.
20100704 08:50:39< Aethaeryn> ah
20100704 08:50:50< Aethaeryn> a cross + infinity = eternal life ;-)
20100704 08:51:01< Aethaeryn> ooooh
20100704 08:51:10< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_vampire
20100704 08:51:16< Aethaeryn> ^ According to History International...
20100704 08:51:34< Aethaeryn> "real" vampires now claim to be that
20100704 08:51:36< Aethaeryn> and stuff
20100704 08:51:54< Aethaeryn> in other words, people who pretend to be vampires
20100704 08:52:01< Aethaeryn> but are too lazy to drink blood or avoid sun
20100704 08:52:31< shadowmaster> I fear that I'll lose my sanity if I continue getting exposed to the insanity of other people.
20100704 08:53:02< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth
20100704 08:53:03< shadowmaster> so I'll not read some of that article's section in detail to avoid following links to insanity.
20100704 08:53:23< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society
20100704 08:53:37< Aethaeryn> The Flat Earth Society are archenemies with the Hollow Earthers.
20100704 08:53:46< shadowmaster> stop it, you don't want an insane shadowmaster in charge of the forums :(
20100704 08:54:04< shadowmaster> next thing I need to know is that those people live near me
20100704 08:55:16< Aethaeryn> http://twitter.com/FlatEarthToday <- omfg, they have a twitter
20100704 08:57:24< shadowmaster> I think I want to smash my head against the LCD screen
20100704 08:57:34 * shadowmaster *eye twitch*
20100704 09:05:59< Aethaeryn> but they have a twitter
20100704 09:08:25< shadowmaster> exactly
20100704 09:08:50< shadowmaster> thinks like this make me lose my faith in humanity
20100704 09:08:51< shadowmaster> things
20100704 09:17:05< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society#See_also
20100704 09:17:06< Aethaeryn> lol
20100704 09:17:26< Aethaeryn> See Also: "Creation science, Hollow Earth, Time Cube"
20100704 09:19:28< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Doesn't one of those four (including article itself) items not belong? :-P
20100704 09:21:09< Aethaeryn> http://www.timecube.com/
20100704 09:21:35< Aethaeryn> omfg, the greatest philosopher and the greatest mathematician.
20100704 09:21:45< Aethaeryn> Why was I not taught this?
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20100704 09:22:03< shadowmaster> I stumbled upon that some time ago
20100704 09:23:12< Aethaeryn> omfg
20100704 09:23:26< Aethaeryn> this guy is schitzophrenic
20100704 09:23:27< Aethaeryn> word salad
20100704 09:23:40< shadowmaster> yeah ;(
20100704 09:23:42< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad
20100704 09:23:50< shadowmaster> as someone said in #defocus, what a waste of domain registration
20100704 09:24:13< Aethaeryn> Yes. I wanted to make a band called time cube. ;-)
20100704 09:25:06< Aethaeryn> according to "$ whois"
20100704 09:25:06< Aethaeryn>    Record expires on 24-Aug-2010.
20100704 09:25:06< Aethaeryn>    Record created on 25-Aug-1997.
20100704 09:25:16< Aethaeryn> maybe he'll not renew it
20100704 09:25:31< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: will you join my band Time Cube if his website ever expires?
20100704 09:26:12< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: hmm, maybe the guy is right though.
20100704 09:26:27< shadowmaster> about what? o_O
20100704 09:26:43< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: maybe the spherical earth is really just a 3D version of a unit circle
20100704 09:26:56< Aethaeryn> so there's cubic quadrants.
20100704 09:27:45< Aethaeryn> so kinda like trigonometry, but on a 3D graph.
20100704 09:28:14< Aethaeryn> So we should use an (x,y,z) coordinate to determine locations on earth.
20100704 09:28:32< Aethaeryn> assuming that we're in a sphere 1 out from the center of the Earth
20100704 09:28:39< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: see? my Time Cube is better.
20100704 09:28:48< Aethaeryn> amateur
20100704 09:29:21< shadowmaster> Espreon: I think we've just lost Aethaeryn 
20100704 09:29:36< shadowmaster> I'll miss him.
20100704 09:29:58< Aethaeryn> so
20100704 09:31:02< Aethaeryn> So the northern hemisphere east of the prime meridian is Quadrant I, west of the prime meridian is Quadrant II (I live there), south of the equator and west of the prime meridian is Quadrant III (you live there), and then the fourth quadrant is that last area.
20100704 09:31:08< Aethaeryn> So most humans live in Quadrant I
20100704 09:31:33< Aethaeryn> where sin, cosine, and tangent are all positive.
20100704 09:32:45< Aethaeryn> s/sin/sine
20100704 09:33:43< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: So how's it feel like living in the place where only tangent and cotangent are positive?
20100704 09:34:06< shadowmaster> :(
20100704 09:35:02< Aethaeryn> Yeah, sine seems to be everyone's favorite.
20100704 09:35:06< Aethaeryn> Probably a northern hemisphere bias
20100704 09:45:41< shadowmaster> OMG THIS DRIVER'S PERFORMANCE IS UNGODLY
20100704 09:45:49< shadowmaster> I LIKE!!!!
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20100704 10:26:57< Blueblaze> yes'
20100704 10:29:32< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: so yeah, Time Cube. band nao.
20100704 10:29:45< Blueblaze> k
20100704 10:30:03< Blueblaze> k my guitar ready
20100704 10:30:08< Aethaeryn> k
20100704 10:30:12< Blueblaze> got my guitar ready
20100704 10:30:28< Aethaeryn> I suppose I'll do piano?
20100704 10:30:28< Blueblaze> its already hooked up to my MBP
20100704 10:30:34< Blueblaze> it's already hooked up to my MBP
20100704 10:30:38< Blueblaze> sure thing
20100704 10:30:38< Aethaeryn> who's singer?
20100704 10:30:39< Blueblaze> sure thing
20100704 10:30:43< Blueblaze> i sing too
20100704 10:30:43< Aethaeryn> ancestral?
20100704 10:30:44< Aethaeryn> oh
20100704 10:30:44< Blueblaze> i sing too
20100704 10:30:45< Aethaeryn> you
20100704 10:30:45< Aethaeryn> ok
20100704 10:30:51< Aethaeryn> what do we sing about?
20100704 10:32:51< Aethaeryn> regardless
20100704 10:32:53< Aethaeryn> tireed
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20100704 18:46:06< Espreon> Awwww...
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20100704 20:35:30< shadowmaster> sigh.
20100704 20:35:41< shadowmaster> We have a new kid in the Wesnothian neighborhood.
20100704 20:36:03< shadowmaster> His username is AtemTheLightning.
20100704 20:36:40< shadowmaster> Default reply mode: "Wow".
20100704 20:37:15< shadowmaster> Secondary reply mode: Captain Obvious (1).
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20100704 20:46:29< Gambit> sounds bad
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20100704 20:59:42< timotei> :))
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20100704 21:17:17< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yous want I should take caresa him?
20100704 21:26:15< shadowmaster> what strange dialect are you speaking
20100704 21:26:15< shadowmaster> ?
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20100704 21:42:52< Gambit> shadowmaster: Italian mobster
20100704 21:42:59< Gambit> Or rather; the goon of one.
20100704 21:58:43< Gambit> Though it's rather stereotypical
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20100704 22:14:23< Espreon> Oh, wow I have to sometimes plug my AC adaptor into the outlet in the hall before it will work in my room.
20100704 22:15:26< Espreon> Gambit: ... and I can speak like a mafia boss.
20100704 22:15:35< Espreon> shadowmaster: Right, my friend?
20100704 22:15:49< shadowmaster> I see...
20100704 22:16:09< Espreon> Uh huh...
20100704 22:17:04< Espreon> In other news, I just had Thai food.
20100704 22:17:15< Espreon> 'Twas awesome.
20100704 22:19:00< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=440202#p440202 — Oh wow...
20100704 22:23:32< shadowmaster> Espreon: what do you think about me taming the beast that is fglrx? http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/74-ATI-mayhem,-Part-XI.html
20100704 22:24:35< shadowmaster> and achieving AWESOME rendering performance, including being able to use Konsole again.
20100704 22:25:03< Espreon> Cool.
20100704 22:25:35< timotei> shadowmaster: hey, did you managed to use the opensource ati driver on gentoo?:O
20100704 22:25:46< Espreon> He doesn't use Gentoo.
20100704 22:25:53< timotei> or whatever you use :D
20100704 22:26:06< shadowmaster> I managed to use the open-source drivers on Debian testing, yes.
20100704 22:26:15< timotei> w00t that's awesome
20100704 22:26:22< timotei> if I can get that on sabayon too
20100704 22:26:28< shadowmaster> but that was long ago.
20100704 22:26:31< timotei> I'm declaring myself the most happy user of linux :D
20100704 22:26:37< shadowmaster> I'm now using AMD's proprietary driver.
20100704 22:26:43< timotei> :|
20100704 22:27:06< shadowmaster> because unlike certain people, I'm not a freedom-obsessed user. I just want stuff that works.
20100704 22:27:12< Espreon> Same here.
20100704 22:27:21< timotei> god:(((((((((((((
20100704 22:27:24< timotei> NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
20100704 22:27:24< Gambit> mega the same
20100704 22:27:29< Espreon> If I could still use fglrx, I would.
20100704 22:27:35< timotei> FATAL ERROR: Network error: Connection timed out
20100704 22:27:35< timotei> Network connection closed unexpectedly: Connection closed unexpectedly at C:\Program Files\Git/libexec/git-core/git-svn line 2290
20100704 22:27:46< shadowmaster> of course, if it comes with some freedom (I'm using Linux still, after all), well, even better!
20100704 22:27:54< Espreon> timotei: Ooooh, nasty!
20100704 22:27:59< timotei> :(((
20100704 22:28:02< shadowmaster> I don't care about tainting my kernel either since it was already tainted
20100704 22:28:16< Espreon> My kernel will probably remain tainted for a long time.
20100704 22:28:18< shadowmaster> $ taintedness.pl 
20100704 22:28:20< shadowmaster> Tainted: P       A
20100704 22:28:24< Gambit> The dark side is strong with this one.
20100704 22:28:35< Espreon> Yup, only wl will work.
20100704 22:28:36< shadowmaster>     P (Proprietary) - Proprietary module in kernel.
20100704 22:28:40< shadowmaster>     A (ACPI) - ACPI DSDT overridden.
20100704 22:29:00< Espreon> b43 needs firmware anyway, so... yeah.
20100704 22:29:13< Espreon> I'm not even sure if b43 works with my card anyway.
20100704 22:30:27< Espreon> IDK even know if that open source firmware for Broadcom cards works well.
20100704 22:30:35< Espreon> ... or supports my card.
20100704 22:30:42< Espreon> All I know is that I'm not going to risk it.
20100704 22:30:54< Espreon> It's just not worth it.
20100704 22:31:26< Espreon> wl works perfectly fine (AFAIK; not sure if those WEP issues were wicd's fault), so, yeahz.
20100704 22:31:34< timotei> what the??
20100704 22:31:35< timotei> Transaction is out of date: Out of date: '/trunk/utils/java/eclipse_plugin/src/wesnoth_eclipse_plugin/utils/WorkspaceUtils.java' in transaction '43915-1' at C:\
20100704 22:31:35< timotei> Program Files\Git/libexec/git-core/git-svn line 570
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20100704 22:32:04< Espreon> git-svn may be useful, but if you screw things up... it's pretty much over.
20100704 22:32:22< timotei> yeah..
20100704 22:32:48< Espreon> In other news, I seem to be doing well with implementing siphon.
20100704 22:32:49< timotei> thanks God there is google :))
20100704 22:33:07< shadowmaster> timotei: was your connection reset/closed during a remote commit?
20100704 22:33:13< timotei> shadowmaster: yeah:|
20100704 22:33:32< shadowmaster> okay, tough one.
20100704 22:33:42< timotei> but wait, I tihnk I've comitted all:-/
20100704 22:34:16< Aethaeryn> ewww
20100704 22:34:17< Aethaeryn> backslash
20100704 22:34:27< timotei> good... it worked
20100704 22:34:29< timotei> aphew
20100704 22:34:36< shadowmaster> ewww, allergies
20100704 22:34:53< shadowmaster> EWWW.
20100704 22:35:00< shadowmaster> DRIVE LETTERS?!
20100704 22:35:05< timotei> ops
20100704 22:35:05< timotei> :-S
20100704 22:36:23< shadowmaster> my cat and my dog are fighting for some food.
20100704 22:36:30< shadowmaster> how nice.
20100704 22:36:35< timotei> but what happened with my "backslash"?
20100704 22:36:52< shadowmaster> 16:31:35 <timotei> Program Files\Git/libexec/git-core/git-svn line 570
20100704 22:36:57< timotei> oh :))
20100704 22:36:58< shadowmaster> backslash ^
20100704 22:37:08< timotei> yeah, I understand :D
20100704 22:37:16< timotei> well... that's windows, isn't it?
20100704 22:37:20< timotei> against all odds
20100704 22:37:30< shadowmaster> we Unix-style operating system users prefer forward slashes
20100704 22:37:39< shadowmaster> which also happen to be the standard amongst Internet technologies
20100704 22:37:44< Aethaeryn> yep
20100704 22:37:52< Aethaeryn> nowadays, more people are familiar with forward slashes than back
20100704 22:38:05< timotei> well, true
20100704 22:38:07< Aethaeryn> Because most people *do* enter URLs, while the backslash has been abstracted away
20100704 22:38:07< shadowmaster> which is a bit odd in hindisght, since CR-LF (DOS) is the standard Internet line delimiter
20100704 22:38:14< shadowmaster> *hindsight
20100704 22:38:14< timotei> btw, Yakuake WORKS on windows \:D/
20100704 22:38:20< timotei> but I need to compile Konsole aswell
20100704 22:38:24< timotei> that will be very hard:(
20100704 22:38:33< shadowmaster> yes, KDE 4 can be made to work on Windows tahnks to the awesomeness that is Qt4
20100704 22:38:37< shadowmaster> *thanks
20100704 22:38:40< timotei> :D
20100704 22:38:46< shadowmaster> I bit my tongue
20100704 22:38:50< timotei> and yakuake works smoother even than in sabayon :))
20100704 22:39:06< shadowmaster> I hate the sound it makes when I bit it
20100704 22:39:14< shadowmaster> *bite
20100704 22:39:21< timotei> sound?
20100704 22:39:26< timotei> that's ... 
20100704 22:40:15< Aethaeryn> eh, with timotei's latest revisions, wesnoth-umc-dev will never catch up with wesnoth in version numbers... :-(
20100704 22:40:29< timotei> Aethaeryn: ops.
20100704 22:40:31< timotei> well
20100704 22:40:37< timotei> I could commit a single one
20100704 22:40:38< timotei> BUT
20100704 22:40:40< shadowmaster> the hell? wesnoth-umc-dev has no version number
20100704 22:40:46< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: REVISION
20100704 22:40:48< Aethaeryn> damn it.
20100704 22:40:51< timotei> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/DeveloperGuide
20100704 22:40:51< Aethaeryn> I didn't have coffee today
20100704 22:40:56< Aethaeryn> :'(
20100704 22:41:05< timotei> no huge commit (hard to review), so when possible maybe split it in working part with info about where you are going 
20100704 22:41:08< timotei> sorry Aethaeryn 
20100704 22:41:22< Aethaeryn> yes
20100704 22:41:30< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: it's not like we are competing against those crazy mainline developers.
20100704 22:41:38< timotei> :))
20100704 22:41:40< Aethaeryn> idk
20100704 22:41:44< Aethaeryn> I could catch us up
20100704 22:42:06< shadowmaster> now, if we were going to win a prize for having the most daily commits...
20100704 22:42:17< Aethaeryn> if I merge Wesalwyn with Aethaeryn's Maps, add all the appropriate macros from upstream to get it to work, do all the planned revisions to it, and then commit the next level in Underlands RPG
20100704 22:42:19< shadowmaster> ...largest amount of daily commits
20100704 22:42:26< shadowmaster> ...average
20100704 22:42:30< Aethaeryn> Then we'll catch up
20100704 22:42:43< shadowmaster> I probably need coffeee too
20100704 22:42:50< Aethaeryn> We're on 7380
20100704 22:42:50< shadowmaster> cofffee
20100704 22:43:00< shadowmaster> screw this, you get it
20100704 22:43:02< Aethaeryn> mainline is on 43916
20100704 22:43:15< Aethaeryn> they only have 6x the revisions.
20100704 22:43:22 * shadowmaster just stops correcting obvious typos for know
20100704 22:43:24< shadowmaster> now
20100704 22:44:18< Aethaeryn> so, if we have 6 revisions for every 1 revision they make, at which revision would we catch up?
20100704 22:44:45< timotei> bah
20100704 22:44:49< timotei> triple simple rule
20100704 22:44:52< timotei> or how they call it
20100704 22:45:09< timotei> math
20100704 22:45:13< Aethaeryn> yes, math
20100704 22:45:43< Aethaeryn> what we have is two line equations
20100704 22:45:55< Aethaeryn> one with a y intercept of 7380 and another with a y intercept of 43916
20100704 22:45:57< timotei> ok guys, I need to go
20100704 22:46:03< Aethaeryn> we need to find the point at which they intersect
20100704 22:46:05< timotei> Aethaeryn: use wolframalpha.com to do that :D
20100704 22:46:13< timotei> good nigh Aethaeryn shadowmaster 
20100704 22:46:15< Aethaeryn> t
20100704 22:46:19< Aethaeryn> 'night
20100704 22:46:22< Aethaeryn> :p
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20100704 22:47:05< Aethaeryn> so the slope of the 7380 line is 6/1 because it climbs 6
20100704 22:47:08< Aethaeryn> the other is 1/1 or 1
20100704 22:48:08< Espreon> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODM5Nw — Yay! It better not suck...
20100704 22:50:27< Espreon> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODM5Ng — Interesting...
20100704 22:53:04< Aethaeryn> approximately r51224 if my methods are correct.
20100704 22:53:14< Aethaeryn> you can't have a partial revision so 51223.2 rounds up
20100704 22:54:27< Aethaeryn> so
20100704 22:54:31< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Get to work.
20100704 22:54:54< Aethaeryn> we need 6 revisions for every 1 revision in mainline.
20100704 22:55:12< Aethaeryn> To pass them at r51224
20100704 22:55:26< Espreon> No.
20100704 22:55:32< Aethaeryn> damn.
20100704 22:55:38< Espreon> I'm busy making nice things.
20100704 22:56:23< Aethaeryn> you know, we'd be screwed
20100704 22:56:26< Aethaeryn> if IftU was ever mainlined.
20100704 22:56:35< Aethaeryn> My plan would be halted immediately.
20100704 22:56:47< Espreon> What plan?
20100704 22:56:59< Aethaeryn> 16:56:38 < Aethaeryn> we need 6 revisions for every 1 revision in mainline.
20100704 22:57:02< Aethaeryn> 16:56:56 < Aethaeryn> To pass them at r51224
20100704 22:57:04< Aethaeryn> duh
20100704 22:57:32< Espreon> Yeah, yeah, whatever.
20100704 22:57:47< Aethaeryn> Everyone knows that two lines, one with y=6x+7380 and one with y=x+43916 will intersect with the y coordinate of 51223.2, which will round up since you can't have partial revisions.
20100704 22:57:59< Aethaeryn> So we'll pass them at 51224, since 51223 will be before the intersection.
20100704 22:58:37< Espreon> Yeah, yeah, take your coördinates and... yeahz...
20100704 22:59:37< Aethaeryn> (the x coordinate is how many mainline revisions from now, which is the y-intersect)
20100704 22:59:49< Aethaeryn> anyway
20100704 22:59:53< Espreon> Do I care?
20100704 23:00:03< Aethaeryn> Espreon: My language will be totally better than your language.
20100704 23:00:35< Espreon> Riveting tale, chap.
20100704 23:00:49< Aethaeryn> I will definitely make a system of spoken pure logic
20100704 23:01:37< Espreon> Am I amused by your nonsense? I think not.
20100704 23:03:23< Aethaeryn> NOT THINKi.
20100704 23:06:49< shadowmaster> I GOT COFFEE!
20100704 23:17:23< Aethaeryn> WITH-COFFEEi.
20100704 23:18:38< Gambit> iCoffee?
20100704 23:20:48< Aethaeryn> meh
20100704 23:21:09< Aethaeryn> MODIFIER-OBJECTsubject
20100704 23:21:16< Aethaeryn> perfectly rational way of expressing things.
20100704 23:21:17< Aethaeryn> duh
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