--- Log opened Mon Jul 05 00:00:50 2010
20100705 00:03:16< Espreon> shadowmaster: Does your father accuse you of spurting nonsense?
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20100705 00:13:55< shadowmaster> Espreon: no
20100705 00:14:08< shadowmaster> I accuse him of that, however.
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20100705 00:42:59< Aethaeryn> <3 emacs
20100705 00:43:07< Aethaeryn> M-x delete-trailing-whitespace
20100705 00:43:19< Aethaeryn> sometimes having too many features is a Good Thing, and can save you lots of effort
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20100705 00:56:48< shadowmaster> I guess I'll check how well prboom plays with OpenGL rendering and fglrx
20100705 00:58:07< shadowmaster> hm, horrible.
20100705 00:58:23< PeterPorty> O.o
20100705 00:58:49< PeterPorty> prboom...OpenGL...fglrx... I'm out of here.
20100705 00:59:01< PeterPorty> well, maybe I'll stay a while.
20100705 00:59:16< shadowmaster> okay, it appears to be a prboom-plus-specific issue, because prboom works fine
20100705 00:59:27< shadowmaster> but with prboom-plus I get excessive darkness and unusable nenus
20100705 00:59:32< shadowmaster> menus
20100705 01:01:00< shadowmaster> supertuxkart doesn't render well...it's fast but all screwed up
20100705 01:01:11< PeterPorty> ok... PrBoom is a something related to Doom, which I've never played, so idc.
20100705 01:01:11 * shadowmaster scratches head
20100705 01:01:26< shadowmaster> I'm not talking to you
20100705 01:01:31< PeterPorty> so?
20100705 01:01:33< shadowmaster> if you've got nothing to add, then don't speak
20100705 01:01:39< PeterPorty> gee
20100705 01:01:54< PeterPorty> so you wanted me to come just to tell me to shut up?
20100705 01:02:07< shadowmaster> that was a general question.
20100705 01:02:26< shadowmaster> now if you could actually learn when to speak in general, that'd be great ;)
20100705 01:02:33< PeterPorty> is Doom as good as they say? 
20100705 01:02:53< PeterPorty> I've seen people playing it, but it look aweful...
20100705 01:03:02< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: why can't you see irssi in full screen over ssh?
20100705 01:03:36< shadowmaster> I can't honestly believe that it was once a prime source of controversy due to the violent/gory content
20100705 01:03:49< shadowmaster> I'm talking of the classic Doom/Doom II, of course, not Doom 3, which is some sort of franchise reboot
20100705 01:04:09< PeterPorty> ok, I guess noone is going to answer...
20100705 01:04:15< shadowmaster> I don't even get to see actual guts :p
20100705 01:04:29< shadowmaster> it's spelled "awful", btw.
20100705 01:04:46< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: I can.
20100705 01:04:46< PeterPorty> ok, thx.
20100705 01:05:45< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/irssi-9.png Aethaeryn 
20100705 01:06:02< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: so why did you complain about the terminal size being so small before?
20100705 01:06:09< Aethaeryn> as if you had no choice but for it to be that size
20100705 01:06:12< PeterPorty> look, I'm in there!
20100705 01:06:32< Aethaeryn> also... omfg
20100705 01:06:34< Aethaeryn> 62 windows
20100705 01:06:50< Aethaeryn> hmm, that's irssi?
20100705 01:06:54< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: that was before my own Internet connection.
20100705 01:06:57< shadowmaster> and yes, that's irssi
20100705 01:07:05< Aethaeryn> must've tweaked the bottom a lot then
20100705 01:07:09< shadowmaster> yes
20100705 01:07:21< Aethaeryn> makes sense
20100705 01:07:30< shadowmaster> I edited the default theme to suit my particular needs
20100705 01:07:48< Aethaeryn> no... you shouldn't be able to do that
20100705 01:08:00< Aethaeryn> you should be beholdant to the programmers' ideas of how their software should be used.
20100705 01:08:13< shadowmaster> shut up, you Apple fanboy
20100705 01:08:25 * shadowmaster slaps Aethaeryn with a gaint Android -based phone
20100705 01:08:28< shadowmaster> *giant
20100705 01:08:41< Aethaeryn> But it's so easy! No options, no choice! How much easier can you get?!
20100705 01:08:49< Aethaeryn> Choice leads to thinking
20100705 01:08:57< Aethaeryn> And therefore will always be harder than no choice.
20100705 01:09:03< shadowmaster> I THINK
20100705 01:09:07< shadowmaster> THEREFORE, I AM.
20100705 01:09:17< shadowmaster> AND I CAN USE FREE SOFTWARE!
20100705 01:09:18< Aethaeryn> I think. Therefore, I use Linux.
20100705 01:09:20< Aethaeryn> Damn it.
20100705 01:09:44< shadowmaster> (unless it's dramatically inferior to the proprietary alternatives for a particular purpose, which is the case of Mesa vs. fglrx)
20100705 01:09:46< PeterPorty> I barely think...
20100705 01:10:58< Aethaeryn> PeterPorty: Therefore you do illegal stuff?
20100705 01:11:22< Aethaeryn> Only those who think too little or think too much break the law.
20100705 01:11:27< shadowmaster> OMFG WAREZ CALL THE IRCOPS
20100705 01:11:35< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: no...
20100705 01:11:38< PeterPorty> :)
20100705 01:11:39< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: CALL THE IRC COPS!
20100705 01:11:44< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: NO
20100705 01:11:50< shadowmaster> CALL THE FREENODE STAFF!
20100705 01:11:59< Aethaeryn> The IRC FBI?
20100705 01:12:06< PeterPorty> ...
20100705 01:12:20< PeterPorty> Call TPB staff!
20100705 01:12:20< Aethaeryn> Freenode Bureau of Investigation
20100705 01:12:21< Aethaeryn> duh
20100705 01:12:22< shadowmaster> #fbi appears to be registered
20100705 01:12:33< Aethaeryn> but this is the internet
20100705 01:12:36< Aethaeryn> I fear the NSA far more than the FBI
20100705 01:12:50< shadowmaster> and empty
20100705 01:13:05< Aethaeryn> (CIA, of course, is already here, having installed the fascist dictator ChanServ to keep the commies in check)
20100705 01:13:11< PeterPorty> I fear shadowmaster far more than the NSA and the FBI combined.
20100705 01:15:09< PeterPorty> bye, dinner time... c ya laterz.
20100705 01:16:14< shadowmaster> time to clear my website's document root
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20100705 02:01:14< Gambit> Aethaeryn: RE: earlier;
20100705 02:01:21< Gambit> If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
20100705 02:02:08< Aethaeryn> Gambit: not if someone else chooses for you
20100705 02:02:22< Gambit> You choose to submit.
20100705 02:02:32< Gambit> You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
20100705 02:02:40< Gambit> If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
20100705 02:03:12< Gambit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnxkfLe4G74
20100705 02:03:16< Gambit> You must know this song.
20100705 02:04:27 * Gambit will choose free will.
20100705 02:07:58< Gambit> This is one argument I won't budge on (or at least I've never heard an argument anywhere near the mark of convincing me otherwise).
20100705 02:08:13< Gambit> Like my belief that atheism is a religion.
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20100705 02:08:38< Aethaeryn> Gambit: the choice between iPhone or no iPhone is much simpler than the choice between iPhone or Nexus One or Evo 4G or Droid Incredible or Droid or Droid X or ... or no phone
20100705 02:08:42< Aethaeryn> was my point
20100705 02:08:43< Gambit> Or that new york extra sharp cheddar is the greated cheese known to man.
20100705 02:08:47< Aethaeryn> less choice is always simpler than no choice.
20100705 02:08:55< Aethaeryn> the choice is basically size of drive
20100705 02:10:32< Gambit> My point was that it is the best cheese I have ever tasted on all applications for cheese.
20100705 02:11:01< Gambit> Eating plain, dipping, putting on sandwhiches, melting it in meals
20100705 02:11:19< Gambit> Shredding it to top pasta or salads
20100705 02:15:02< Aethaeryn> anyway
20100705 02:15:06< Aethaeryn> less choice is always simpler than more choice
20100705 02:15:25< Aethaeryn> so the way to be easiest on the users is to provide as little choice as possible
20100705 02:15:43< PeterPorty> shadowmaster: Shikadibot should be able to engage in a reasonable conversation.  
20100705 02:16:40< PeterPorty> ... shadowmaster...?
20100705 02:16:41< Gambit> wikiepdia is down?
20100705 02:16:44< PeterPorty> u there?
20100705 02:16:48< Gambit> PeterPorty: she is not a chatterbot!
20100705 02:16:58< Aethaeryn> Super Tux Kart has actually improved a lot in a few years
20100705 02:16:59< Aethaeryn> and is really fun
20100705 02:17:11< PeterPorty> Gambit: wrong, the correct answer was 'Get lost'
20100705 02:17:32< PeterPorty> http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net/bots/shikadibot.php#fpi
20100705 02:17:35< PeterPorty> 6th point
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20100705 02:18:30< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: have you tried SVN trunk?
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20100705 02:18:36< Aethaeryn> of supertux kart?
20100705 02:18:44< shadowmaster> yep
20100705 02:18:47< PeterPorty> Blueblaze!
20100705 02:18:49< Aethaeryn> lots of improvements?
20100705 02:19:00< Gambit> Aethaeryn: "Supertux gives OSS a bad name"
20100705 02:19:05< shadowmaster> I'd say it's becoming fairly different from the stable version
20100705 02:19:17< shadowmaster> Gambit: not the same game
20100705 02:19:49< PeterPorty> shadowm_laptop, glboom or prboom?
20100705 02:19:50< Gambit> Same developers?
20100705 02:19:54< shadowmaster> the "Supertux" part in Supertuxkart is mainly a historical artifact from the first "improved" version of Tuxkart
20100705 02:19:57< PeterPorty> what's the difference?
20100705 02:20:00< shadowmaster> Gambit: not the same developers.
20100705 02:20:06< Gambit> disregard
20100705 02:20:13< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: ah cool
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20100705 02:20:28< Aethaeryn> I tend to get the SVN of games (such as Wesnoth)
20100705 02:20:29< shadowmaster> Gambit: although one of the Supertux mainainers has been involved with Supertuxkart loooooong ago
20100705 02:20:33< Aethaeryn> since the repos tend to lag on the releases
20100705 02:20:35< shadowmaster> very long ago.
20100705 02:20:37< Aethaeryn> and even stable releases lag on SVN
20100705 02:20:45< PeterPorty> ...
20100705 02:20:52< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: no idea
20100705 02:20:54< Aethaeryn> Gambit: also, the devel version of supertux is pretty fun
20100705 02:21:01< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: not anymore
20100705 02:21:03< Aethaeryn> fedora includes the devel version in its repos since it changed a lot
20100705 02:21:04< PeterPorty> :´(
20100705 02:21:12< Aethaeryn> but I don't think it's been updated lately?
20100705 02:21:15< shadowmaster> the project admin went mad and told them to throw world2 out of the window
20100705 02:21:56< Aethaeryn> omfg
20100705 02:21:59< Aethaeryn> nonono
20100705 02:22:00< Aethaeryn> nooooooooooo
20100705 02:22:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: It's still OSS ripping off mario games instead of coming up with original things to do
20100705 02:22:02< Aethaeryn> fork time?
20100705 02:22:07< Gambit> Nintendo rips off mario games enough
20100705 02:22:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: IDIOT
20100705 02:22:32< shadowmaster> Gambit: the current mtaintainer didn't even try Super Mario Kart before
20100705 02:22:42< Gambit> idfc
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20100705 02:22:51< Aethaeryn> Gambit: it has nitro
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20100705 02:23:01< Gambit> Frogatto is original (thumbs up)
20100705 02:23:09< Gambit> Wesnoth is original (tumbs up)
20100705 02:23:25< Gambit> Alex the alligator, SuperTux, and Maryo are blatant rip offs
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20100705 02:23:28< Aethaeryn> so it's more like a rip off of Need for Speed
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20100705 02:23:40< Aethaeryn> Supertux Kart is more of a rip off of Need for Speed due to nitro
20100705 02:23:42< Aethaeryn> so get your game right, Gambit 
20100705 02:24:04< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Nitrous is *a single* gameplay element
20100705 02:24:11<@shadowmaster> more like, get your FACTS right before.
20100705 02:24:17<@shadowmaster> complaining about shows you don't watch
20100705 02:24:38< Gambit> We're talking ripping off an entire game wholesale.
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20100705 02:24:53< Gambit> wtf?
20100705 02:24:56< Gambit> :\
20100705 02:25:01< Aethaeryn> Gambit: there are no original ideas
20100705 02:25:06< Aethaeryn> you can only synthesize old ideas
20100705 02:25:09<@shadowmaster> yeah, you are still complaining about shows you don't watch.
20100705 02:25:11< Aethaeryn> take what's fun, drop what's not
20100705 02:25:19< Gambit> s/synthesize/copypasta/
20100705 02:25:24< Aethaeryn> instead of aiming for originality (which can suck) aim for the best combination of game elements that work
20100705 02:25:31<@shadowmaster> okay, enough of this troll
20100705 02:25:33< Aethaeryn> I can make the most original game in the world, but it will be crap
20100705 02:25:43< Aethaeryn> because it won't have any elements from other games that work
20100705 02:25:46< Aethaeryn> like HP or MP/mana
20100705 02:25:48< Aethaeryn> or XP
20100705 02:25:52< Gambit> Aethaeryn: okay that's not an issue
20100705 02:26:08< Gambit> when you take the exact same set of gameplay elements, and give it a new face, that's an issue
20100705 02:26:14< Gambit> (oh hi nintendo!)
20100705 02:26:32<@shadowmaster> Gambit: have you even tried it?
20100705 02:26:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: I don't like kart racers.
20100705 02:26:54<@shadowmaster> okay, then don't complain
20100705 02:27:13< Aethaeryn> iirc, supertux planned to implement a lot of Sonic-esque elements
20100705 02:27:14< Aethaeryn> like slopes
20100705 02:27:16<@shadowmaster> wtf, en.wikipedia.org is down?
20100705 02:27:23< Aethaeryn> as well as some other platformer-inspired non-Mario ideas
20100705 02:27:25< Gambit> shadowmaster: I know right?!
20100705 02:27:26< Aethaeryn> since you know
20100705 02:27:29<@shadowmaster> the thing is, supertux's maintainer is fucked up
20100705 02:27:33< Aethaeryn> there is a larger base of 2D platformers than just mario
20100705 02:27:38< Aethaeryn> of which I happen to enjoy as a genre
20100705 02:27:38<@shadowmaster> supertuxkart is a whole different tale
20100705 02:27:59<@shadowmaster> in supertuxkart they are open to ideas, to changes
20100705 02:28:11< Gambit> shadowmaster: I think the internet is dying.
20100705 02:28:16<@shadowmaster> in supertux they are like trapped by this stupid idea of a clone
20100705 02:28:28<@shadowmaster> that's why they itched the forest world recently, from trunk
20100705 02:28:30<@shadowmaster> *ditched
20100705 02:28:43< Aethaeryn> anyway, supertux cart is pretty fun
20100705 02:28:51<@shadowmaster> *supertuxkart
20100705 02:28:55< Aethaeryn> a few years ago, supertuxkart sucked
20100705 02:28:59<@shadowmaster> or STK if you prefer
20100705 02:29:02< Aethaeryn> had a good engine
20100705 02:29:04< Aethaeryn> but didn't have fun
20100705 02:29:10< Aethaeryn> but right now it seems pretty much like a console kart game
20100705 02:29:18< Aethaeryn> and no, mario kart isn't the only one of the genre
20100705 02:29:22< Aethaeryn> just the first with super mario kart
20100705 02:29:27<@shadowmaster> I remember Wacky Wheels for DOS
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20100705 02:29:37< Aethaeryn> and first of genre doesn't make it best
20100705 02:30:23<@shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: in case you don't have SVN trunk, you can also check out some news at http://supertuxkart.blogspot.com/
20100705 02:31:16<@shadowmaster> I believe it's just fair that I advertise it after advertising frogatto in their IRC channel.
20100705 02:31:17< Aethaeryn> hmm
20100705 02:31:19<@shadowmaster> :p
20100705 02:31:36< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: know of any FOSS games that push 3D graphics to the max?
20100705 02:31:40< Aethaeryn> I want to see if my driver is appropriate
20100705 02:31:42< Aethaeryn> yes, it can run 3D
20100705 02:31:47< Aethaeryn> but Super Tux Kart is rather light on it
20100705 02:31:47<@shadowmaster> no.
20100705 02:32:04< Aethaeryn> I know the graphics card works now, I just don't know how well
20100705 02:32:08<@shadowmaster> but I've used eduke32 with an old version of the High-Res Pack before as a test suite of sorts
20100705 02:32:21< Aethaeryn> eh, Celestia is a good test
20100705 02:32:22<@shadowmaster> (eduke32 being an improved version of the FOSS engine of Duke Nukem 3D)
20100705 02:32:23< Aethaeryn> I love Celestia
20100705 02:32:29< Aethaeryn> just wondering about a game test though
20100705 02:33:23<@shadowmaster> I'll probably try their new polymer engine with fglrx at some point in the near future
20100705 02:35:01<@shadowmaster> heh, I've just realized that Google Earth works too
20100705 02:36:44< Aethaeryn> ooooh cool
20100705 02:36:53< Aethaeryn> You know how long it's been since I had 3D working on a computer without any lag?
20100705 02:36:59< Aethaeryn> Celestia now has extrasolar planets
20100705 02:37:01< Aethaeryn> yeah, that long
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20100705 02:38:59< Valkier> Espreon: Why docnha love me no mo'?
20100705 02:39:26<@shadowmaster> Valkier: are you drunk?
20100705 02:39:45< Valkier> I have the means to be.
20100705 02:39:47< Valkier> But no.
20100705 02:40:15< Valkier> We'll see how much gun and tonic it takes for me to get through this outline.
20100705 02:40:33< Valkier> gin*
20100705 02:46:39< Aethaeryn> gun and tonic
20100705 02:46:41< Aethaeryn> dangerous combination
20100705 02:47:01< Gambit> Haha
20100705 02:55:23< PeterPorty> shadowmaster... why?
20100705 03:15:22< Aethaeryn> PeterPorty: wha?
20100705 03:15:43<@shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: nothing, move on
20100705 03:16:24< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: btw, have you seen the Chiile coins?
20100705 03:17:02<@shadowmaster> the what?
20100705 03:17:42< PeterPorty> coins that say Chiie instead of Chile
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20100705 03:35:30<@shadowmaster> where can I find that?
20100705 03:36:23< PeterPorty> umm...
20100705 03:36:40< PeterPorty> they r circulating throught the country
20100705 03:36:59< PeterPorty> it was an error... there r not many of those....
20100705 03:37:11< PeterPorty> although a lot of peopple have one...
20100705 03:37:33< PeterPorty> they are 50 pesos coins btw... in case you were wondering...
20100705 03:38:29<@shadowmaster> I'm seeing them
20100705 03:38:37< PeterPorty> oh, ok...
20100705 03:38:40<@shadowmaster> it didn't occur to me to search in Spanish, at first
20100705 03:38:49< PeterPorty> lol
20100705 03:39:28<@shadowmaster> it's funny how they are trying to sell $50 coins for $900
20100705 03:39:46< PeterPorty> dude... they can be sold for more than that
20100705 03:39:46<@shadowmaster> okay wait
20100705 03:40:01<@shadowmaster> $7,000 each
20100705 03:40:07< PeterPorty> oh, yeah.
20100705 03:40:08<@shadowmaster> and they are $50 coins.
20100705 03:40:12< PeterPorty> thhen it's ok...
20100705 03:40:15<@shadowmaster> this is simply mind-boggling
20100705 03:40:30< PeterPorty> yeah, but they are going to be really expensive in some years...
20100705 03:40:38<@shadowmaster> *eye twitch*
20100705 03:40:44< PeterPorty> O.o
20100705 03:41:56<@shadowmaster> makes me want to search for odd $20,000 or $10,000 bills
20100705 03:42:27<@shadowmaster> kinda
20100705 03:45:02< PeterPorty> dude, have you seen the 10,000 pesos coins?
20100705 03:45:13< PeterPorty> or the 2,000 pesos ones?
20100705 03:45:24<@shadowmaster> no
20100705 03:45:42<@shadowmaster> is that recent or old?
20100705 03:45:48< PeterPorty> recent
20100705 03:45:54< PeterPorty> for bicentenario
20100705 03:47:48< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, http://www.mercadolibre.cl/jm/img?s=MLC&f=14864710_4602.jpg&v=P
20100705 03:47:54< PeterPorty> that's 2000
20100705 03:49:31<@shadowmaster> I take it they aren't going to become common?
20100705 03:50:01<@shadowmaster> because I'd really hate it if they replaced bills with coins
20100705 03:50:11<@shadowmaster> the replacement of the 500 bill already put me off
20100705 03:50:30< PeterPorty> no, they are just for this year
20100705 03:50:38<@shadowmaster> good
20100705 03:50:50< PeterPorty> dude, see the price: http://articulo.mercadolibre.cl/MLC-28924917-moneda-10000-pesos-_JM
20100705 03:51:43<@shadowmaster> 15 times it's real value
20100705 03:51:55 * shadowmaster shakes head
20100705 03:51:58<@shadowmaster> *its
20100705 03:51:59< PeterPorty> dude... hat is kinda... excesive...
20100705 04:11:22< Aethaeryn> http://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia&hl=en&tbs=rltm:1
20100705 04:11:32< Aethaeryn> so yeah, you guys can see the live twitter feed of people bitching about Wikipedia?
20100705 04:12:29< PeterPorty> I don't have a twitter
20100705 04:12:51< PeterPorty> after facebook, I don't need other crap taking over my life.
20100705 04:12:57< PeterPorty> brb
20100705 04:13:27< Aethaeryn> PeterPorty: I don't have twitter either
20100705 04:13:36< Aethaeryn> but it's a useful way to tap into people's thoughts real-time
20100705 04:13:54<@shadowmaster> This is my Twitter.
20100705 04:13:56< Aethaeryn> like during a big TV show (finale/premiere), a live event, or something bad on the Intertube (like now)
20100705 04:14:14< Aethaeryn> In this case, one of the major tubes is broken.
20100705 04:14:19< Aethaeryn> SOMEONE CALL A PLUMBER!
20100705 04:14:43< PeterPorty> :/
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20100705 04:15:05< PeterPorty> lol
20100705 04:15:14-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-o shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20100705 04:15:18< Aethaeryn> Hey, that's not true.
20100705 04:15:23< Aethaeryn> I think we can type more than 140 characters.
20100705 04:15:37< PeterPorty> lol
20100705 04:16:00< shadowmaster> 510 - your prefx, and PRIVMSG #wesnoth-umc-dev :
20100705 04:16:15< shadowmaster> *minus your prefix, [...]
20100705 04:16:20< shadowmaster> to be exact
20100705 04:17:14< shadowmaster> $ perl -e 'print length ":shadowmaster!~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster PRIVMSG #wesnoth-umc-dev :"';
20100705 04:17:18< shadowmaster> 72
20100705 04:17:31< shadowmaster> so 438 characters for me
20100705 04:17:51< shadowmaster> but I've got splitlong.pl loaded
20100705 04:18:18< shadowmaster> so I can write much longer lines and they'll automatically get split as the ircd requires
20100705 04:19:48< Aethaeryn> oooh, good idea
20100705 04:19:57< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: so there's an objective reason to use shorter nicks and shorter channel names?
20100705 04:20:20< shadowmaster> hm.
20100705 04:20:28< shadowmaster> yes
20100705 04:21:00< Aethaeryn> hmm
20100705 04:21:09< Aethaeryn> Then...
20100705 04:21:16< shadowmaster> but you shouldn't care about it
20100705 04:21:18< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster PRIVMSG #Wesnoth-dev :
20100705 04:21:22< Aethaeryn> that seems pretty long to me.
20100705 04:21:23< Aethaeryn> oh whoops
20100705 04:21:25< Aethaeryn> #wesnoth-umc-dev
20100705 04:21:48< shadowmaster> the line my IRC client sends is PRIVMSG #wesnoth-umc-dev :foo bar baz
20100705 04:21:52< shadowmaster> the line the ircd broadcasts is
20100705 04:22:04< shadowmaster> :nick!user@host PRIVMSG #wesnoth-umc-dev :foo bar baz
20100705 04:22:41< shadowmaster> where nick!user@host will be either shadowmaster!~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster or shadowm_laptop!ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster for me most of the time
20100705 04:23:38< shadowmaster> some idiots use this as an excuse to use NOTICEs instead of PRIVMSGs
20100705 04:23:38< shadowmaster> 1 byte less isn't much
20100705 04:23:57< shadowmaster> and again IRC clients are supposed to make all of this as transparent to the user as possible
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20100705 04:59:48< Aethaeryn> mwahahahahahahahaha
20100705 05:00:01< Aethaeryn> Wikipedia may be down, but I have 7 saved tabs on my other computer
20100705 05:00:13< Aethaeryn> I disabled Internet to force it to work offline
20100705 05:00:15< Aethaeryn> and loaded them :-)
20100705 05:00:19< Aethaeryn> 7 full articles.
20100705 05:00:32< Aethaeryn> YOU HAVE TO TRY BETTER THAN THAT TO BEAT MY HABITS, INTERNET!
20100705 05:02:39< Aethaeryn> oh look
20100705 05:02:41< Aethaeryn> it just came back
20100705 05:02:42< Aethaeryn> damn it
20100705 05:20:18< Aethaeryn> ooooh, found something in the repo that might be able to test the graphics card
20100705 05:20:21< Aethaeryn> "vega strike"
20100705 05:20:29< Aethaeryn> it picked up the card and maxed out the textures and everything else :-)
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20100705 06:16:24< shadowmaster> Espreon: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=440295#p440295
20100705 06:21:29< shadowmaster> there, I gave an ultimatum to 3-word Story in OT
20100705 06:21:41< shadowmaster> (unrelated to the link above)
20100705 06:22:22< shadowmaster> let's see who'll be the first to complain about it
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20100705 07:29:07< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: entertain me.
20100705 07:29:11< shadowmaster> I'm bored.
20100705 07:31:22< Aethaeryn> hrmmm
20100705 07:39:22< Aethaeryn> I need some comment to pick on
20100705 07:39:31< Aethaeryn> But all the usual suspects aren't here
20100705 08:19:16< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: so is the gulf oil spill affecting you?
20100705 08:22:54< Blueblaze> no
20100705 08:23:20< Aethaeryn> cool
20100705 08:23:22< Aethaeryn> wait
20100705 08:23:25< Aethaeryn> are you even near the coast?
20100705 08:25:43< Blueblaze> I live in Houston
20100705 08:25:46< Blueblaze> google map it
20100705 08:27:06< Aethaeryn> oh, that's in the middle, right?
20100705 08:27:27< Aethaeryn> middle of the coast area?
20100705 08:27:29< Aethaeryn> in texas?
20100705 08:30:08< Blueblaze> wtf
20100705 08:30:10< Blueblaze> are you serious
20100705 08:30:18< Blueblaze> you don't know where the 4th largest city in the country is?
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20100705 08:30:35< Aethaeryn> I know it's in texas
20100705 08:30:40< Aethaeryn> Houston is the 4th largest?
20100705 08:30:41< Aethaeryn> really?
20100705 08:30:44< Blueblaze> and the most significant city in relation to oil in the world possibly
20100705 08:31:00< Blueblaze> most European people I talk to know where Houston is
20100705 08:31:02< Aethaeryn> When I think big cities I think Boston, NYC, Chicago, LA, San Fransisco, maybe Miami.
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20100705 08:32:51< Aethaeryn> also, oil is irrelevant
20100705 08:32:55< Aethaeryn> we passed peak oil already
20100705 08:32:58< Aethaeryn> in the 70s or something
20100705 08:33:24< Blueblaze> k
20100705 08:33:30< Blueblaze> why is Exxon the largest company in the world
20100705 08:33:30< Blueblaze> kthx
20100705 08:33:39< Blueblaze> be ignent moar
20100705 08:33:50< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100705 08:33:57< Aethaeryn> energy companies are like maybe 4 of the top 5 in the world
20100705 08:34:06< Blueblaze> not any kind of energy
20100705 08:34:08< Blueblaze> oil
20100705 08:34:39< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100705 08:34:43< Aethaeryn> that's generally what they mean by energy
20100705 08:34:44< Aethaeryn> but
20100705 08:34:49< Aethaeryn> oil's still in the long run irrelevant
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20100705 08:34:59< Aethaeryn> just like the big coal cities of Pennsylvania and West Virginia
20100705 08:35:34< timotei> morning :D
20100705 08:35:39< timotei> morning Aethaeryn 
20100705 08:35:44< Aethaeryn> morning
20100705 08:35:49< timotei> didn't you sleep last night?
20100705 08:35:54< Aethaeryn> huh?
20100705 08:36:03< timotei> oh, morning shadowmaster :P
20100705 08:36:10< timotei> what timezone do you have?
20100705 08:36:56< shadowmaster> GMT-04
20100705 08:36:58< timotei> ah, I was so happy without spam! why it starts now?:|
20100705 08:37:05< shadowmaster> it's 2:36 am
20100705 08:37:10< shadowmaster> 2:37
20100705 08:37:59< timotei> look: http://www.cia.vc/stats/host/gna/.xml
20100705 08:38:05< timotei> email free spam list
20100705 08:38:54< shadowmaster> I've caught a new prey
20100705 08:39:09< timotei> who?
20100705 08:39:22 * shadowmaster swallows
20100705 08:39:29< timotei> :))
20100705 08:39:47< shadowmaster> someone who wanted to sell us golf videos
20100705 08:39:55< shadowmaster> probably with some sort of added malware for those windows users
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20100705 08:40:41< Aethaeryn> so 10 hours... wow, doesn't seem that long ago
20100705 08:41:09< timotei> well, I got to sleep on aprox: 12.30 PM
20100705 08:41:17< timotei> 12.48 to be more precise
20100705 08:41:35< timotei> I can't (to be true I don't want) to sleep too late
20100705 08:42:12< shadowmaster> timotei: okay, I don't understand what's the point of the cxml file you linked?
20100705 08:42:15< shadowmaster> xml
20100705 08:42:31< timotei> free "hardcoded" emails adresses
20100705 08:43:05< timotei> Since 3-4 weeks or so, I've started to receive spam:(
20100705 08:43:14< timotei> and I've never had any spam on my main adress
20100705 08:46:28< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze: so do you hear about the oil spill?
20100705 08:46:31< Aethaeryn> from your perspective?
20100705 08:46:33< Aethaeryn> on the gulf?
20100705 08:46:44< shadowmaster> timotei: ahhh.
20100705 08:46:55< timotei> shadowmaster: yeah. sad
20100705 08:47:05< timotei> shadowmaster: and fortunately I don't need any penis enlargement
20100705 08:47:10< timotei> or other freaking stuff
20100705 08:47:14< shadowmaster> how did you get there?
20100705 08:47:16< shadowmaster> :p
20100705 08:47:19< shadowmaster> ah wait, IIRC CIA does have some raw stats links
20100705 08:47:29< timotei> you're email is there too
20100705 08:47:30< timotei> :))
20100705 08:47:40< shadowmaster> :<
20100705 08:47:46< shadowmaster> well, fortunately I use gmail
20100705 08:47:59< timotei> so what?
20100705 08:48:01< shadowmaster> so the spam goes to a separate dir to which I'm not subscribed in my IMAP config
20100705 08:48:13< timotei> well... I hate that "spam"f older
20100705 08:48:13< shadowmaster> so I don't get to know about it.
20100705 08:48:22< shadowmaster> I don't even see it!
20100705 08:48:23< timotei> usually are stuff that don't need to be in there:|
20100705 08:48:53< timotei> that's why when I send an e-mail to an "unknowner" I don't send any links in the starting mail, only afterwards he added me in the contacts list
20100705 08:49:03< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/kmail.png
20100705 08:49:28< timotei> :D
20100705 08:49:34< shadowmaster> no spam folder in sight
20100705 08:49:54< timotei> why don't you use thunderbird?
20100705 08:50:00< timotei> is KMail superior?
20100705 08:51:16< Aethaeryn> kmail?
20100705 08:51:33< shadowmaster> timotei: yes.
20100705 08:51:36< shadowmaster> for me.
20100705 08:51:53< Blueblaze> Aethaeryn: there was an oil spill on the gulf?
20100705 08:51:56< Blueblaze> when did this happen
20100705 08:51:56< shadowmaster> I had to use Thunderbird when I got stuck with a buggy version of KMail from KDE 3.5.10 on Debian stable
20100705 08:52:15< shadowmaster> needless to say, when I could use KMail again, I was really, really happy
20100705 08:53:43< timotei> but what's better than thunderbird? I mean what feature(s)
20100705 08:54:36< shadowmaster> for me, KMail's user interface is overall nicer.
20100705 08:54:52< shadowmaster> it's much easier to get it to update all locally subscribed IMAP folders, too
20100705 08:55:13< timotei> yeah, kde's apps interface is nice
20100705 08:55:18< shadowmaster> the sole fact that it integrates with the desktop environment I use gets my loyalty to it
20100705 08:55:36< shadowmaster> it also has *built-in* support for GPG
20100705 08:56:18< timotei> ok, let's start working on era/multiplayer wizards:D
20100705 08:56:20< shadowmaster> while for Thunderbird I ha to use some plugin which didn't do some of the nice things kmail does, such as wrapping mails in a box indiating whether they are signed or encrypted
20100705 08:56:43< timotei> damn, I need a way to throw out smileys from my conversations...
20100705 08:57:11< shadowmaster> IIRC it was also a bit more difficult to see all message headers in Thunderbird
20100705 08:57:30< shadowmaster> i.e. all the email headers. Where it came from, what was its path, etc.
20100705 08:57:34< timotei> well, I could use KMail too, when I'm not "sharing" my thunderbird+firefox across linux and windows
20100705 08:58:16< Aethaeryn> lol, I got autopiloted through a star.
20100705 08:58:19< Aethaeryn> hooray for pathfinding.
20100705 08:59:02< timotei> Aethaeryn: eve I presume?
20100705 08:59:17< Aethaeryn> no, Vega Strike
20100705 08:59:27< Aethaeryn> needed to find something on the repository that would be heavy on 3D
20100705 08:59:52< Aethaeryn> since I purposely got a really good graphics card (or at least fairly good, it was good last year)
20100705 09:00:04< Aethaeryn> since, uh, 3D on my laptop is almost nonexistant
20100705 09:00:09< Aethaeryn> and I just needed to do 3D on my desktop I built
20100705 09:00:41< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: is it good?
20100705 09:00:42< shadowmaster> the game, I mean
20100705 09:01:21< shadowmaster> in case it isn't obvious already: no, I'm not really a gaming person.
20100705 09:01:38< Aethaeryn> it's kinda fun
20100705 09:01:40< Aethaeryn> I suck at it though
20100705 09:01:43< Aethaeryn> and there's a million controls
20100705 09:01:50< Aethaeryn> and yeah, I'm not a big gamer either
20100705 09:01:54< Aethaeryn> I tend to make stuff more than play it
20100705 09:01:58< shadowmaster> okay, the last part scared me.
20100705 09:02:01< Aethaeryn> I'm just *so* exhausted from my summer class
20100705 09:02:05< shadowmaster> I prefer simple games.
20100705 09:02:15< Aethaeryn> it's okay once you realize what you need to move.
20100705 09:02:24< shadowmaster> which is probably why Wesnoth caught my attention.
20100705 09:02:24< Aethaeryn> it's hard to figure out how to move at first without a manual though XD
20100705 09:02:37< Aethaeryn> once you figure out how to move it's fine
20100705 09:03:08< Aethaeryn> right now I'm just making munniez so i can haz spaceships
20100705 09:03:28< Aethaeryn> damn, really close to a star
20100705 09:03:47< Aethaeryn> good chance the autopilot will fail me another simple "travel cargo from point A to point B through about 4 jump systems" mission
20100705 09:03:52< Aethaeryn> and yup, looks like I'm heading into it
20100705 09:04:04< Aethaeryn> nevermind, I had it on a bad camera
20100705 09:06:05< EVILEST> Hey guys
20100705 09:06:15< EVILEST> How're things?
20100705 09:06:19< Valkier> Hi, Evilest.
20100705 09:06:26< Aethaeryn> huh?
20100705 09:06:37< Aethaeryn> do you use another nick or have I just missed you before?
20100705 09:06:40< EVILEST> Well, I finally got onto IRC
20100705 09:06:45< shadowmaster> hi EVILEST 
20100705 09:06:51< Aethaeryn> oh, also hi
20100705 09:06:51< EVILEST> Never used this before
20100705 09:07:02< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I think the controls are easier on a joystick, which I don't have
20100705 09:07:29< shadowmaster> I've never had or needed a joystick. I wonder if that is bad. ;)
20100705 09:07:43< Aethaeryn> on the keyboard there's probably a lot of functions that I don't really need that are cluttering the learning
20100705 09:07:47< Aethaeryn> and a lot of obvious ones tucked away
20100705 09:08:00< EVILEST> Sounds like Steel Battalion in space
20100705 09:09:17< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: mouse is fairly okay by itself
20100705 09:09:40< Aethaeryn> keyboard only necessary for maybe a handful of functions then.
20100705 09:10:42< Aethaeryn> but yeah, if you don't like a really, really, really steep initial learning curve (getting the thing to fly and jump) that might take an hour or two before you can move around right (kinda like a space flight sim
20100705 09:10:46< Aethaeryn> then this isn't your game
20100705 09:11:10< Aethaeryn> presumably it aims at realistic space physics, except it has sound probably. but that's okay, because I don't have the sound on, so it's still realistic now
20100705 09:13:11< shadowmaster> is space 2D or 3D there?
20100705 09:15:20< Aethaeryn> 3D
20100705 09:15:29< Aethaeryn> I did it to test the 3D of my graphics card
20100705 09:16:20< zookeeper> realistic space physics? doesn't it still have a cap on the top speed?
20100705 09:16:26< EVILEST> Hey Shadow... should I hold out on doing anything on the Original Ten, or should I just dive right in a fix problems as they crop up?
20100705 09:16:38< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: it has a cap under top speed but you can remove it by pressing "y"
20100705 09:16:51< Aethaeryn> but if you go too fast your shields are unstable and it takes as long to slow down as it takes to speed up or something
20100705 09:16:57< Aethaeryn> so you could get stuck really fast
20100705 09:17:13< zookeeper> sounds stupid, frankly
20100705 09:17:33< zookeeper> it should just work and not have an option for it
20100705 09:17:56< shadowmaster> EVILEST: well, you should work on the Chaos guys :p The Original Ten aren't going to be depicted yet.
20100705 09:18:02< zookeeper> note that obviously it can have a reasonable cap on the speed, but when i tried it years ago the cap was ship-specific i think, and ridiculously low
20100705 09:18:19< shadowmaster> (I also recommend using tab completion, i.e. "shaow" + <tab>)
20100705 09:18:22< shadowmaster> *shadow
20100705 09:18:56< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: the speed cap is ridiculously low
20100705 09:19:01< Aethaeryn> there's two ways to get around the really low speed
20100705 09:19:07< Aethaeryn> autopilot (a) when you select a target
20100705 09:19:15< Aethaeryn> and pressing y (travel/maneuver toggle)
20100705 09:20:22< zookeeper> i bet
20100705 09:20:33< zookeeper> conclusion: vega strike still sucks
20100705 09:21:08< Aethaeryn> and your alternative that's on the Fedora repositories?
20100705 09:21:21< zookeeper> none
20100705 09:21:22< Aethaeryn> or i'll even take something else I can compile easily.
20100705 09:27:56< Aethaeryn> yay, autopilot through a star #2
20100705 09:29:17< Aethaeryn> this time I didn't explode, it just kinda glitched
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20100705 12:00:57< timotei> ok me back
20100705 12:20:27< timotei> whooo, I'm trying to modify "Notepad++" to automatically trim trailing whitespace :D
20100705 12:32:31< timotei> nice, it worked. 
20100705 13:04:32< Aethaeryn> heh
20100705 13:04:42< Aethaeryn> I actually had the same problem
20100705 13:04:48< Aethaeryn> except I looked up and emacs has a one-line command
20100705 13:05:33< Aethaeryn> that trims trailing whitespace
20100705 13:17:48< timotei> well, I wanted the behaviour in Kate, on save, trim trailing :P
20100705 13:18:07< timotei> didn't want extra command or macros (even though they were CTRL+<key> commands)
20100705 13:18:16< timotei> just save it :))
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20100705 16:34:03< Gambit> I'm going to have a real reason to learn java... http://notch.tumblr.com/post/772794270/server-scripting
20100705 16:35:43< timotei> haha
20100705 16:35:45< timotei> better use Unity
20100705 16:35:46< timotei> ;)
20100705 16:36:00< timotei> http://unity3d.com/
20100705 16:36:05< timotei> it works on browser too
20100705 16:36:10< timotei> and as an application too
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20100705 19:32:30< Espreon> Valkier: It beeth a lie.
20100705 19:33:05< Valkier> The cake?
20100705 19:36:31< Espreon> No, no.
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20100705 20:35:30< Espreon> timotei: Protip: be cool; use "whence"...
20100705 20:37:42< shadowmaster> protip: remember to always pay more attention to the message's content instead of obsessing over the language like some people.
20100705 20:38:40< timotei> Espreon: where?
20100705 20:39:04< timotei> :))
20100705 20:40:01< Espreon> In places where one would use "from where" and similar things.
20100705 20:40:10< zookeeper> the biggest protip of coolness is not to use "yeahz", or actually anything with a z tacked on just for coolness' sake.
20100705 20:40:54< timotei> FATAL ERROR: Network error: Software caused connection abort
20100705 20:41:03< shadowmaster> content > language
20100705 20:41:06< Espreon> Protip: Do not anger Espreon, or he shall eat cookies in front of you.
20100705 20:41:18< shadowmaster> if you obsess over the language you may end up delivering poor content with sophisticated language
20100705 20:41:34 * zookeeper has cookies of his own
20100705 20:41:37< shadowmaster> which means that you are basically wasting your time with the language
20100705 20:41:39< zookeeper> i also have strawberries
20100705 20:42:06< Espreon> Well, I have black raspberries.
20100705 20:42:32< Espreon> shadowmaster: Which is why I make sure that my content doesn't suck.
20100705 20:45:33< shadowmaster> Espreon: sure, sure...
20100705 20:55:11< shadowmaster> suff like this makes me feel tempted to go and demote a bunch of Forum Regulars: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30653
20100705 20:57:18< Espreon> Uh... wow...
20100705 20:57:19< Espreon> OK...
20100705 20:57:52< Espreon> But the real question (in response to that post) is: "Who the hell cares?"
20100705 21:00:02< Gambit> That's the first time I've seen someone actually outright trying to start a religious flamewar.
20100705 21:00:36< shadowmaster> yes. that's stupid and sick
20100705 21:00:52< shadowmaster> let's feed Crushmaster just for the sake of it
20100705 21:03:42< shadowmaster> Gambit: help me
20100705 21:03:52< Gambit> Whadya need?
20100705 21:04:00< shadowmaster> what's the proper way to reply to this guy? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17827&p=440490#p440490
20100705 21:04:08< shadowmaster> noting that the iPhone version is based on Wesnoth 1.6, not 1.4 :|
20100705 21:04:35< Gambit> 1. The iphone campaigns are the same (bar any balance upgrades in 1.8)
20100705 21:04:42< Gambit> 2. There is a forum for walkthroughs here [insert_link]
20100705 21:05:01< Gambit> (your campaigns is in the strategies and tips forum isn't it?)
20100705 21:05:53< Gambit> Oh wait
20100705 21:05:58< Gambit> that's a UMC campaign
20100705 21:05:59< Gambit> hmmm
20100705 21:06:02< shadowmaster> I doubt it
20100705 21:06:12< shadowmaster> but there've been some threads about particular scenarios in the past
20100705 21:09:05< timotei> what a fail are this kind of games: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30281
20100705 21:10:47< shadowmaster> timotei: that's why I killed it.
20100705 21:11:03< timotei> heh:-)
20100705 21:11:24< shadowmaster> don't tell anyone but I'm contemplating possibilities for killing the rest and forbidding forum games.
20100705 21:11:29< shadowmaster> forever.
20100705 21:12:03< shadowmaster> people don't even try to make something fun. It's just nonsensenonsensenonsensenonsensenonsensenonsense...
20100705 21:12:47< timotei> who's the admin? (I'm talking about the ... permissions)
20100705 21:13:03< timotei> maybe you can moderate the off-topic on newly created topcis ;)
20100705 21:13:37< shadowmaster> no, too lazzy
20100705 21:13:50< shadowmaster> also, I'm the admin in chief because Ivanovic is too lazy to do anything besides releases
20100705 21:14:39< timotei> then do your own rules >:)
20100705 21:14:50< timotei> make*
20100705 21:14:54< shadowmaster> that's what I've been doing, kind of.
20100705 21:14:59< shadowmaster> the Posting Guidelines are there.
20100705 21:15:16< shadowmaster> Linux 2.6.34.1 is out! yays!
20100705 21:15:16< shadowmaster> Espreon: isn't this awesome?
20100705 21:15:41< timotei> what are the "features"?
20100705 21:15:46< timotei> or bug fixes at least
20100705 21:16:05< shadowmaster> A.B.C.* versions are stable revision versions
20100705 21:16:13< Espreon> Well, what's in it?
20100705 21:16:17< shadowmaster> A.B.* versions are new stable series, which may come with new fefatures
20100705 21:16:18< shadowmaster> features
20100705 21:16:29< Espreon> KMS fixes/improvements or GTFO.
20100705 21:16:31< shadowmaster> A.B.C.* versions, just like Wesnoth's stable branches, are for bugfixes only
20100705 21:16:46< shadowmaster> Espreon: grep the changelog for interesting keywords if you want
20100705 21:16:50< shadowmaster> I'm just going to apply the patch away
20100705 21:16:56< shadowmaster> I'm using AMD's drivers after all
20100705 21:17:09< shadowmaster> even if they fail at something as simple as STK
20100705 21:17:19< timotei> Espreon: you use fgrlx or the open source ati driver?
20100705 21:17:28< Espreon> I'm using radeon.
20100705 21:17:31< shadowmaster> and yet not at really expensive stuff
20100705 21:17:38< Espreon> fglrx hasn't supported my card for a while.
20100705 21:18:02< timotei> when getting back my notebook I have to make sabayon use that too
20100705 21:18:46< Espreon> Use wha?
20100705 21:19:04< timotei> radeon instead of gfrlx
20100705 21:19:07< timotei> fglrx*
20100705 21:19:11< Espreon> Why?
20100705 21:19:21< timotei> because fglrx is a bit too slow:(
20100705 21:19:45< timotei> kubuntu uses radeon and youtube/flash videos(for example) are working like on winodws
20100705 21:19:56< timotei> but on sabayon is just "slow"
20100705 21:20:15< Espreon> fglrx being slower than radeon... interesting...
20100705 21:20:27< Espreon> Are you sure that you were using fglrx?
20100705 21:20:31< timotei> yeah
20100705 21:20:37< timotei> a friend of mine tested this
20100705 21:20:44< timotei> when changed to radeon it worked MUCH better
20100705 21:20:56< timotei> + composition (with almost full effects) enabled
20100705 21:21:07< timotei> it is worth trying
20100705 21:21:16< timotei> since kubuntu sucks
20100705 21:21:26< Espreon> Well, I'd see fglrx sucking with 2D... but, whatever.
20100705 21:21:37< timotei> radeon sucks on 3d, but I don't use 3d
20100705 21:21:38< timotei> :D
20100705 21:21:44< shadowmaster> fglrx is slower at 2D than the open source drivers, yes
20100705 21:21:50< shadowmaster> but the latest version improved in that area AFAIK
20100705 21:21:59< timotei> latest version being what?
20100705 21:22:01< shadowmaster> 10.6
20100705 21:22:07< shadowmaster> I'm using 10.6
20100705 21:22:37< timotei> ok
20100705 21:22:43< timotei> we'll I think I'm off today
20100705 21:22:58< shadowmaster> good night
20100705 21:23:18< timotei> fendrin: I'll stay on IRC till 22 PM, if you want to talk (saw yesterday in the logs)
20100705 21:23:31< timotei> in the meantime going to read something :D
20100705 21:23:35< timotei> good night shadowmaster, Espreon 
20100705 21:23:41< Gambit> Is there a 22 am?
20100705 21:23:47< shadowmaster> no
20100705 21:23:50< timotei> oh 22 sorry :))
20100705 21:23:51< Espreon> Goodnight timotei.
20100705 21:23:55< shadowmaster> it's called 10 PM
20100705 21:23:58< timotei> yeah
20100705 21:23:59< timotei> my bad
20100705 21:24:01< shadowmaster> or 22 hrs
20100705 21:24:08< Gambit> 2200
20100705 21:24:18< Espreon> Meh, you children and your twenty-four-hour clocks...
20100705 21:24:19< shadowmaster> Gambit: but it'd be awesome
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20100705 21:24:30< shadowmaster> to have 48 hours long days
20100705 21:24:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: Well you could try the 28 hour day 6 day week.
20100705 21:24:47< Gambit> It matches up on mondays.
20100705 21:24:56< Gambit> But it get's a little funky around the middle.
20100705 21:25:01< shadowmaster> granted, a lot of parameters would also need to change to keep it compatible with life on earth 
20100705 21:25:08< shadowmaster> when I say day I mean astronomical days
20100705 21:25:11< shadowmaster> as in, earth rotation cycles
20100705 21:25:59< Gambit> http://dbeat.com/28/
20100705 21:26:06 * Gambit wants to try that some day ^^
20100705 21:26:16< Gambit> I have no job this sumer so maybe this week
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20100705 21:31:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: You stay up for 19 hours and sleep for 9
20100705 21:32:11< shadowmaster> enough
20100705 21:32:14< shadowmaster> I got it
20100705 21:32:18< Aethaeryn> Gambit: a 28 hour day, of course
20100705 21:32:38< shadowmaster> but I want the actual orbit parameters to change
20100705 21:32:57< shadowmaster> not to fool myself into using a non-standard system that doesn't fit the orbital parameters
20100705 21:33:56< shadowmaster> it's already enough with all these quirks in the gregorian calendar at yearly/monthly level
20100705 21:34:07< shadowmaster> I don't need more of that crap at daily level
20100705 21:37:50< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: do you live underground?
20100705 21:38:03< shadowmaster> no
20100705 21:38:17< Aethaeryn> when you live underground you settle into a longer day and time goes by faster to your perceptions.
20100705 21:38:55< Aethaeryn> eg. 28 hours would have your year go by in just under 313 days
20100705 21:39:13< Aethaeryn> (hooray for psychology class last semester)
20100705 21:40:49< shadowmaster> hurray for useless info
20100705 21:41:31< Gambit> hoorah for multiple spelling
20100705 21:41:37< Gambit> s
20100705 21:42:58< Valkier> Gay
20100705 21:42:59< Valkier> Gai
20100705 21:43:01< Valkier> Gambit
20100705 21:43:05< Valkier> All mean the same thing
20100705 21:43:13< Valkier> ... I hope...
20100705 21:43:15< Valkier> Mwahahahaha!
20100705 21:43:42< Gambit> franbot: quiet Valkier
20100705 21:43:48< Gambit> damn
20100705 21:44:06< Valkier> You can't deny our love!
20100705 21:44:41< Valkier> I can se through you! See to the real you!
20100705 21:44:47< Valkier> Cause inside you're ugly. You're ugly like me.
20100705 21:46:10< Gambit> As the exasperated zoo keeper said to a male panda while pointing at the last living female one; "FUCK THAT!"
20100705 21:46:55< Gambit> Valkier: Also do you remember getting drunk last night and posting pictures of a naked elf?
20100705 21:47:34< Valkier> Yup
20100705 21:47:47< Valkier> Well, as much as you can call a vague contour line drawing a naked elf.
20100705 21:48:22< Valkier> I guess it represented a naked elf in the same way a circle represents a smiley face.
20100705 21:50:20< shadowmaster> Espreon: so, basically, it's some miscellaneous fixes for USB EHCI, xHCI, KVM, uvcvideo, ext4, ath5k, an Intel wifi driver, another SATA AHCI quirk, wifi layer in general, PCMCIA, ALSA hda quirks, a Dell initialization bordercase, Radeon r100/r200 User Modesetting fixes, ARM target fixes, minor RTC fixes, minor  KMS fixes for Radeon, minor PCI quirks additions, some unimportant fbdev fixes, and fixing kernel panic with ...
20100705 21:50:26< shadowmaster> ... oprofile + CPU hotplugging
20100705 21:50:53< shadowmaster> some minor NFS fixes
20100705 21:51:26< shadowmaster> minor IEEE 1394 a.k.a. Firewire fixes
20100705 21:51:51< shadowmaster> most fixes are for border cases
20100705 21:52:04< shadowmaster> I'm updating later anyway
20100705 21:53:37< shadowmaster> 2.6.33.6 was also released earlier
20100705 21:53:41< shadowmaster> today
20100705 21:58:16< Aethaeryn> Valkier: so you never finished your drawing?
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20100705 23:22:55< Espreon> shadowmaster: Hmmmm, I'll take a look at it anyway.
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20100705 23:28:38< Espreon> Shall I give KDE 4.5 another spin?
20100705 23:28:53< Espreon> (We're at RC 1 now)
20100705 23:30:00< shadowmaster> do whatever you want
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20100705 23:41:20< shadowmaster> compiling .1
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