--- Log opened Wed Jul 07 00:00:03 2010
20100707 00:00:34< Gambit> small text makes my monitor feel bigger
20100707 00:00:51 * Gambit blames Aeth and Blueblaze for bragging about their 1900x1280's
20100707 00:06:24< Blueblaze> 1280?
20100707 00:06:24< Blueblaze> wtf
20100707 00:06:26< Blueblaze> 1080
20100707 00:07:27< Blueblaze> it's 1920x1080
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20100707 00:08:44< Gambit> Blueblaze: okay whatever.
20100707 00:08:56< Blueblaze> I wouldn't mind a 2560x1600 display
20100707 00:10:09< Blueblaze> well a 2560x1440 display
20100707 00:10:10< Blueblaze> actually
20100707 00:10:45< Blueblaze> just so the 16:9 is kept
20100707 00:15:13< Gambit> oh yeah... art doesn't look as good at 75% zoom :(
20100707 00:15:23< Blueblaze> lol
20100707 00:15:24< Gambit> So maybe the forum lets me set my prefered font in preferences?
20100707 00:15:46< Gambit> negatory :(
20100707 00:16:25< Gambit> shadowmaster: There's gotta be a mod for that. :D
20100707 00:16:34< Gambit> "but I don't like mods because they make it harder to upgrade"
20100707 00:16:35< Gambit> :(
20100707 00:16:38< Gambit> shadowmaster: okay.
20100707 00:16:47< Blueblaze> make a new board style
20100707 00:16:53< Blueblaze> and then submit it and get it added
20100707 00:16:53< Blueblaze> :p
20100707 00:17:01< Gambit> "Plus I'm not installing a mod because one person in insecure about their monitor."
20100707 00:17:11< Blueblaze> don't sell it like that
20100707 00:17:47< Blueblaze> you already lost the opportunity to do it because you just sold it poorly
20100707 00:17:53< Blueblaze> so, go buy a 1080p monitor instead
20100707 00:17:56< Blueblaze> you can get one for like $150 
20100707 00:18:53< Blueblaze> Gambit: better than 1080p -> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemplatemapper.jsp?id=pcat17080&type=page&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1~~q70726f63657373696e6774696d653a3e313930302d30312d3031~~cabcat0500000%23%230%23%2311a~~cabcat0509000%23%230%23%2314~~nf443%7C%7C3139323020782031323030&list=y&nrp=15&sc=abComputerSP&sp=%2Bbrand+skuid&usc=abcat0500000
20100707 00:19:16< Blueblaze> cheapest 1080p: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/AOC+-+22%22+Widescreen+Flat-Panel+LCD+HD+Monitor+-+Black/9635684.p?id=1218135449679&skuId=9635684
20100707 00:19:17< Blueblaze> $160
20100707 00:19:18< Gambit> whaddafuck? $600 monitor?
20100707 00:19:33< shadowmaster> use tinyurl for god's sake
20100707 00:19:37< Gambit> If you pay $600 for anything it better either have wheels, or a processor.
20100707 00:19:46< Blueblaze> shadowmaster: tinyurl is evil
20100707 00:19:52< Blueblaze> too many porno tinyurls
20100707 00:19:54 * Gambit agrees with Blueblaze.
20100707 00:19:58 * Gambit doesn't trust tinyurl.
20100707 00:20:00< Blueblaze> I don't trust them
20100707 00:20:07< Gambit> People rickroll through them.
20100707 00:20:20< Blueblaze> and it takes too much effort to preview a tinyurl
20100707 00:20:54< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: I thought you liked porn.
20100707 00:21:04< shadowmaster> jk
20100707 00:21:08< Blueblaze> where did you get that impression from?
20100707 00:21:09< Blueblaze> kk
20100707 00:21:11< Blueblaze> anyway
20100707 00:21:26< Blueblaze> shadowmaster: I have to paste the entire link because Gambit uses Windows, every other website on the internet will suddenly shut down his OS
20100707 00:21:27< Gambit> Blueblaze: The second one might work.
20100707 00:21:27< Blueblaze> :(
20100707 00:21:32< Gambit> But I'm thinking of just buying a tv
20100707 00:21:37< Gambit> and using it as a montior + tv
20100707 00:21:52< Blueblaze> You want a TV or something that can play video games?
20100707 00:22:00< Gambit> the PS3 can have the TV
20100707 00:22:07< Gambit> the PC can have the monitor and the TV both
20100707 00:22:21< Blueblaze> that makes no sense
20100707 00:22:21< Gambit> That way when my little bother comandeers my ps3, I can still be on the computer
20100707 00:22:24< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: in your sentence, I didn't understand the relation between the two statements around the comma
20100707 00:22:29< Gambit> Blueblaze: TV's have channels!
20100707 00:22:39< Gambit> Right now my PC and PS3 are sharing the same monitor.
20100707 00:22:42< Blueblaze> Gambit: PS3's monitor should be TV + PS3
20100707 00:22:49< Blueblaze> The PC's monitor should be PC
20100707 00:22:57< Blueblaze> when does someone watch TV and play PS3? not often anyway
20100707 00:23:05< Gambit> Blueblaze: You do not understand.
20100707 00:23:31< Gambit> When someone (or me) is on the ps3, I will still have a monitor
20100707 00:23:39< Gambit> When the ps3 is not in use I will have dual monitor
20100707 00:23:48< Blueblaze> shadowmaster: they're 2 independent sentences and I just was too lazy to use a semicolon or create 2 sentences so I just used a comma 
20100707 00:24:16< shadowmaster> you could have used a period.
20100707 00:24:33< Blueblaze> and I just was too lazy to use a semicolon or create 2 sentences so I just used a comma 
20100707 00:24:47< Blueblaze> creating 2 sentences would obviously require a period
20100707 00:24:47< Gambit> but it's the same amount of finger work...
20100707 00:24:52< Gambit> none of them use shift :s
20100707 00:24:54< shadowmaster> ...
20100707 00:25:00< Blueblaze> yes but it requires a change in my brain pattern
20100707 00:25:04< Gambit> And they're all right by each other in a chunk.
20100707 00:25:28< shadowmaster> I was just taking about how we don't pretend our audience is full of idiots.
20100707 00:25:40< shadowmaster> talking
20100707 00:25:56< shadowmaster> now you make me ponder what if we actually started spoonfeeding users.
20100707 00:26:35< Blueblaze> k, k
20100707 00:27:58< Blueblaze> Gambit: anyway you won't find a 1080p tv for cheap
20100707 00:28:07< Gambit> I
20100707 00:28:15< Gambit> curse you designer of qwert
20100707 00:28:24< Gambit> I'd be happy with a 19" tv
20100707 00:28:25< Blueblaze> cheap in relation to the price of a 1080p monitor
20100707 00:28:39< Blueblaze> then Gambit, you still will be without a 1080p monitor
20100707 00:28:42< Blueblaze> so wtf is the point
20100707 00:28:57< Gambit> the point is to not be stuck choosing between ps3 and pc
20100707 00:29:09< Gambit> oh yeah I was feeling insecure about my screen size earlier...
20100707 00:29:10< Gambit> hmmm
20100707 00:29:12< Blueblaze> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+BRAVIA+32%22+Class+/+1080p+/+60Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9761129.p?id=1218168619794&skuId=9761129
20100707 00:29:14< Blueblaze> by this then
20100707 00:29:39< Blueblaze> one of the cheapest 1080p tvs on the market from an actual name brand
20100707 00:30:20< Gambit> Blueblaze: http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-LC19SB27UT-19-Inch-720p-Black/dp/B0028QDO0M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1278455386&sr=8-1
20100707 00:30:26< Gambit> problem solved
20100707 00:30:28< Blueblaze> 720p
20100707 00:30:41< Gambit> buuut it says HD :(
20100707 00:30:49< Blueblaze> 720p is HD
20100707 00:30:51< Blueblaze> just not full
20100707 00:30:54< Gambit> wtf
20100707 00:30:59< Gambit> this is rather gimmicky of them
20100707 00:31:02< Blueblaze> yes
20100707 00:31:05< Blueblaze> thats why you look at numbers
20100707 00:31:51< Blueblaze> anyway the Sony TV is the cheapest 1080p tv that is of a recognizable name brand
20100707 00:32:10< Blueblaze> if you get like an insignia or dynex, then you'll be okay
20100707 00:32:14< Blueblaze> to fnd one cheaper
20100707 00:32:20< Blueblaze> but it'll probably start to discolor in a year :z
20100707 00:33:20< Gambit> "If you pay $600 for something it better have wheels or a processor"
20100707 00:33:21< Gambit> :\
20100707 00:33:38< Gambit> fuck full hd
20100707 00:33:50< Blueblaze> buy a 720p tv for your PS3
20100707 00:33:55< Blueblaze> and a 1080p monitor for your computer
20100707 00:33:56< Blueblaze> that's what I did
20100707 00:34:16< Gambit> Blueblaze: I'm unemployed.
20100707 00:34:27< Blueblaze> yeah that's why I did that setup
20100707 00:34:30< Blueblaze> it's cheap :>
20100707 00:34:39< Blueblaze> monitor for Christmas, TV for birthday
20100707 00:34:52< Gambit> HA
20100707 00:34:54< Gambit> haha
20100707 00:34:56< Gambit> hahahaha
20100707 00:35:15< Blueblaze> both you can get under $200 each
20100707 00:35:42< Gambit> you can hook your ps3 up to a 1080p monitor.
20100707 00:35:47< Blueblaze> yes
20100707 00:35:52< Blueblaze> to most anyway
20100707 00:36:05< Gambit> so new plan
20100707 00:36:13< Gambit> PC and PS3 share the monitor
20100707 00:36:20< Gambit> television and PC share the television
20100707 00:36:24< Gambit> oh wait
20100707 00:36:24< Blueblaze> wtf
20100707 00:36:26< Gambit> I have a monitor
20100707 00:36:37 * Gambit isn't buying a monitor
20100707 00:36:45< Blueblaze> do you own a TV?
20100707 00:36:53< Gambit> man my head is still fucking fuzzy
20100707 00:37:01< Gambit> Blueblaze: It's ancient
20100707 00:37:09< Gambit> I had it hooked up to my ps3 but you can't read anything :P
20100707 00:37:18< Blueblaze> do you need a new TV to watch more TV shows?
20100707 00:37:19< Blueblaze> yes or no
20100707 00:37:22< Gambit> No
20100707 00:37:23< Blueblaze> ok
20100707 00:37:26< Blueblaze> buy a 1080p monitor
20100707 00:37:29< Blueblaze> hook the PS3 up to the old monitor
20100707 00:37:32< Blueblaze> hook PC to new monitor
20100707 00:37:36< Blueblaze> watch TV on the ancient TV
20100707 00:37:40< Blueblaze> done
20100707 00:37:41< Gambit> wait
20100707 00:37:48< Blueblaze> stfu im rite
20100707 00:37:49< Gambit> why wouldn't I put the ps3 on the 1080p monitor?
20100707 00:38:00< Gambit> Oh that's right... ps3 games aren't all 1080p yet -_-
20100707 00:38:09< Gambit> stupid false advertising
20100707 00:38:17< Blueblaze> also, you can play 1080p PS3 games as you desire and switch the cables
20100707 00:38:24< Blueblaze> the monitor will be able to run on the PC and the PS3
20100707 00:38:43< Blueblaze> so you can put the computer on the w/e 19" monitor you have, and the PS3 on the 1080, and switch as in use
20100707 00:39:10< Blueblaze> Gambit: buy something like this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+22%22+Widescreen+Flat-Panel+LCD+Monitor/9769352.p?id=1218170032082&skuId=9769352
20100707 00:39:13< Blueblaze> that's the monitor I own
20100707 00:39:24< Blueblaze> Digital (DVI with HDCP), HDMI and standard analog VGA inputs
20100707 00:39:25< Blueblaze> Let you connect both digital and analog devices.
20100707 00:39:29< Blueblaze> that's important^ and it has that
20100707 00:39:45< Gambit> wouldn't it be better to buy a dell monitor from dell?
20100707 00:39:58< Blueblaze> well I figure you can go to any Best Buy and buy that monitor
20100707 00:40:10< Blueblaze> and no Gambit 
20100707 00:40:15< Blueblaze> that's not the way this world works
20100707 00:40:16< Gambit> Blueblaze: But the nearest best buy is many many many many many many miles away.
20100707 00:40:25< Blueblaze> what is the closest store?
20100707 00:40:29< Gambit> Blueblaze: but best buy would have more markup no?
20100707 00:40:29< Blueblaze> that would carry computer monitors
20100707 00:40:34< Gambit> Blueblaze: walmart
20100707 00:40:40< Blueblaze> k ill find it at walmart
20100707 00:40:54< Gambit> but it's a shitty walmart that isn't guarunteed to have everything ;)
20100707 00:41:00< Gambit> s/everything/anything/
20100707 00:41:02< noy> you mean the Greater China import company!
20100707 00:41:04< Blueblaze> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dell-ST2210/13907681
20100707 00:41:10< Blueblaze> Gambit: cheaper^
20100707 00:41:16< Blueblaze> also, Walmart will ship crap to their stores
20100707 00:41:17 * Gambit is quite capable of shopping for a monitor... :\\
20100707 00:41:22< Blueblaze> so even if it isn't at the store, they'll ship it to that store
20100707 00:41:25< Blueblaze> Gambit: no you're not
20100707 00:41:26< Gambit> Blueblaze: Yeah but that takes too long
20100707 00:41:28< Blueblaze> be realistic
20100707 00:41:34< Blueblaze> you own a Windows computer
20100707 00:41:39< Blueblaze> you obviously can't do much :<
20100707 00:41:40< Gambit> noy: And yeah that's what I meant :D
20100707 00:41:50< Gambit> China importer/illegal employer
20100707 00:43:10< Blueblaze> wtf the one at walmart must be an older model
20100707 00:43:14< Blueblaze> mine has a black back
20100707 00:43:36< Gambit> Blueblaze: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0133841
20100707 00:43:37< Gambit> LOL
20100707 00:43:38< Blueblaze> I'd rather the silver background :<
20100707 00:43:57< Blueblaze> Gambit: point?
20100707 00:43:59< Gambit> Blueblaze: is 1600x900 1080p?
20100707 00:44:03< Blueblaze> no
20100707 00:44:09< Gambit> oh right
20100707 00:44:11< Blueblaze> 1080p ends with 1080 on the resolution
20100707 00:44:11< Gambit> 900
20100707 00:44:12< Gambit> :\
20100707 00:44:15< Gambit> lol
20100707 00:44:19< Gambit> Stupid question was stupid
20100707 00:44:32< Blueblaze> anyway, CRT monitors are still in demand in some circumstances
20100707 00:44:36< Blueblaze> just for very specialized use
20100707 00:45:23< Gambit> Blueblaze: I think this is the one you linked to: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-0921
20100707 00:45:43< Blueblaze> yeah that's the one at walmart
20100707 00:45:46< Blueblaze> $160
20100707 00:45:47< Blueblaze> same price
20100707 00:46:31< Gambit> but dell has a "customize" link :D
20100707 00:46:34< Gambit> XD
20100707 00:46:36< Blueblaze> yes
20100707 00:46:41< Blueblaze> you can customize a computer with the monitor
20100707 00:46:41< Blueblaze> -_-
20100707 00:46:46< Gambit> Blueblaze: wrong
20100707 00:46:55< Blueblaze> joke
20100707 00:47:06< Gambit> I can bundle it with monitor mounted speakers or cables or an extended warrenty
20100707 00:47:11< Blueblaze> yes
20100707 00:47:14< Blueblaze> which are all overpriced
20100707 00:47:23< Gambit> or a surge protector
20100707 00:51:28< Blueblaze> ugh
20100707 00:51:31< Blueblaze> I want a new guitar
20100707 00:53:40< Blueblaze> Gambit: buy me a guitar and I'll buy you a monitor
20100707 00:53:59< AI0867> Blueblaze: 4:3 > 16:9 > 2:1
20100707 00:54:28< Blueblaze> 4:3 for what use though
20100707 00:54:40< Blueblaze> you'll be a bitch trying to watch movies on a 4:3
20100707 00:55:43< Blueblaze> I still like using 16:9 for monitors just because I can view multiple things easier by width than length
20100707 00:56:25< Blueblaze> or height
20100707 00:56:41< AI0867> movies are the only reason
20100707 00:56:46< Gambit> or depth
20100707 00:57:00< Gambit> AI0867: games are better in widescreen as well
20100707 00:57:01< AI0867> "widescreen" is just an excuse to be cheap and give you less vertical pixels
20100707 00:57:44< Gambit> Except wesnoth.
20100707 00:58:09< AI0867> when comparing a widescreen and a tallscreen with the same diagonal size, the tallscreen gives you a bigger area
20100707 00:58:18< Blueblaze> correct
20100707 00:58:45< Blueblaze> that's why we buy $2000 Apple displays :z
20100707 00:59:15< AI0867> I haven't paid that much for an entire computer
20100707 00:59:20< Blueblaze> lol
20100707 00:59:23< Blueblaze> I wouldn't buy that display
20100707 00:59:35< Blueblaze> I'd buy a 27" iMac though which has a somewhat similar display
20100707 00:59:39< AI0867> in fact, the last 3 laptops I've had stay under that figure combined
20100707 00:59:55< Blueblaze> actually the Apple display is 2560x1600
20100707 01:00:06< AI0867> this is a broad definition of 'I' though
20100707 01:00:13< AI0867> alert esr
20100707 01:00:28< esr> You rang?
20100707 01:00:29< AI0867> last time I checked, he thought screens that tall weren't made any more
20100707 01:00:47< Blueblaze> yeah the 27" iMac is 16:9, 2560x1440
20100707 01:00:50< esr> Ah, I see.
20100707 01:00:55< Blueblaze> but the Apple Cinema display is 2560x1600
20100707 01:01:43< esr> I now have 2048x1536.  That *would* be an improvement?  $200, you say?
20100707 01:01:55< esr> $2000, rather?
20100707 01:01:58< Blueblaze> $1800
20100707 01:02:53< esr> Tempting.
20100707 01:03:23< esr> Does it take stock VGA connector or something bizarre and Apple-y?
20100707 01:03:54 * Gambit wonders why, bar simulations, a computer needs a screen that large.
20100707 01:05:27< Blueblaze> esr: Apple's display port, there are other non-Apple monitors with the same resolution though for cheaper
20100707 01:05:44< Blueblaze> Let me look up Dell's 
20100707 01:06:14< esr> Gambit: I do page-layout work in Poistscript on occasion.
20100707 01:08:04< Blueblaze> esr: oh Dell just revised their 2560x1600 monitor
20100707 01:08:10< Blueblaze> http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=223-4890 - $1600 for the new model
20100707 01:08:19< Blueblaze> http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=222-7175 - $1400 for the previous model
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20100707 01:08:58< PeterPorty> damn, I missed it...
20100707 01:09:42< esr> I wonder what the DPI is?
20100707 01:10:05< Blueblaze> Where did you see that?
20100707 01:10:11< Blueblaze> oh
20100707 01:10:11< Blueblaze> hmm
20100707 01:12:26< Blueblaze> esr: your computer has dual-link DVI-D correct?
20100707 01:13:02< esr> I'm not sure.  I tthink I just have a VGA port.
20100707 01:13:28< esr> But, heck, if I bought that, a new video card wouldn't be a big deal.
20100707 01:14:05< Blueblaze> Yeah, you can definitely get one that supports dual-link DVI-D for a small price
20100707 01:14:14< Blueblaze> Also, what's interesting, the newest Dell monitor supports Apple's DisplayPort
20100707 01:14:44< PeterPorty> Blueblaze, you are a millionaire, not all of us have that luck.
20100707 01:15:06< PeterPorty> (that was me talking about something I don't believe in)
20100707 01:17:44< Blueblaze> esr: DisplayPorts are not Apple exclusive, you can easily find video cards that support it
20100707 01:17:58< Blueblaze> DisplayPort is become popular because it can provide higher resolutions than HDMI and DVI
20100707 01:18:04< Blueblaze> becoming*
20100707 01:18:09< Gambit> 1 hour 45 minutes until the best science fiction television show ever starts its second season.
20100707 01:19:19< Blueblaze> I found 57 video cards on Amazon that support displayport, ranging from $30 to $400+
20100707 01:19:34< Gambit> $30 graphics card?
20100707 01:19:39< Blueblaze> oh here is one for $730
20100707 01:19:39< Gambit> lmao
20100707 01:19:49< Blueblaze> Gambit: Video cards have been out for ages
20100707 01:19:49< Gambit> It must be a usb adaptor or something
20100707 01:20:10< Blueblaze> http://www.amazon.com/HIS-Radeon-Profile-Retail-H435F512H/dp/B002KJJ3B6/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1278458397&sr=1-1
20100707 01:20:24< Blueblaze> has dual link DVI
20100707 01:20:27< Gambit> $40
20100707 01:20:52< Blueblaze> also has an HDMI port
20100707 01:21:04< Blueblaze> If you just want a straight VGA video card, you can find ones cheaper
20100707 01:22:06< esr> (Yum.  Chick Corea's "Trance Dance" coming out iof Pandora Radio.)
20100707 01:23:32< Blueblaze> Gambit: http://www.amazon.com/Number-PC00EPS0-2-Trio64-Graphics-Accelerator/dp/B0035YWS44/ref=sr_1_274?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1278458588&sr=1-274
20100707 01:23:33 * Valkier redraws the elf face. again.
20100707 01:23:35< Blueblaze> $5.99
20100707 01:23:50< Blueblaze> 1MB of DRAM
20100707 01:23:52< Blueblaze> expandable to 2MB
20100707 01:23:55< Blueblaze> can't beat that
20100707 01:25:25< Blueblaze> $30-40 though is the entry price for an HDMI card
20100707 01:30:01< Gambit> used doesn't count
20100707 01:30:18< Gambit> never buy used electronics
20100707 01:30:27< Blueblaze> $30-40 for new ones
20100707 01:30:38< Blueblaze> as far as the HDMI is concerned
20100707 01:30:39< Gambit> As your enjoyment of them depends upon the treatment the previous owner gave them.
20100707 01:37:22< Blueblaze> Gambit: I also buy used electronics from time to time
20100707 01:39:26< Blueblaze> Gambit: it just depends on what type of electronic it is
20100707 01:40:56< Gambit> discs = never
20100707 01:41:09< Gambit> whole computers = sure
20100707 01:41:09< Blueblaze> You would never buy a video game used?
20100707 01:41:20< Gambit> individual components = probably not
20100707 01:41:28< Blueblaze> I buy guitar pickups used :>
20100707 01:41:51< Gambit> individual components = I need to see them in action first
20100707 01:42:00< Gambit> unless they're yard sale priced used
20100707 01:42:15< Blueblaze> I used to buy CRT monitors used
20100707 01:42:19< Blueblaze> since they last forever
20100707 01:42:19< Gambit> Blueblaze: And no. I would never buy a video game used unless the disc was absolutely spotless
20100707 01:42:25< Blueblaze> and if you hit them they generally work
20100707 01:42:31< Gambit> Blueblaze: well if you can plug it in and see it working then yeah
20100707 01:44:47< AI0867> I've seen a CRT die
20100707 01:44:54< Gambit> You don't buy used electronics for the same reason you don't buy an xbox.
20100707 01:45:04< Gambit> 25% chance (at least) of it being broken.
20100707 01:45:07< Gambit> -smugleaf.png-
20100707 01:45:41< AI0867> I also have an old 800x600@60Hz, that, I discovered, can also run 1024x768@37Hz
20100707 01:45:46< AI0867> you don't want it to though
20100707 01:45:55< Blueblaze> haha
20100707 01:46:03< AI0867> Xorg > windows
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20100707 02:14:52< Gambit> PeterPorty: coming soon to InfDev (possibly)
20100707 02:14:53< Gambit> http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5402/1278452078211.gif
20100707 02:16:26< Valkier> That for a tile?
20100707 02:17:00< Gambit> Valkier: the windmill powers one part of the minecart track
20100707 02:17:08< Valkier> ,,,>
20100707 02:17:10< Gambit> So that the cart would move automatically
20100707 02:17:10< Valkier> ...?
20100707 02:17:33< Gambit> PeterPorty: It's fan made, but when notch saw it he said he needed a new pair of pants. :P
20100707 02:18:01< Gambit> Valkier: If you don't play Minecraft you wouldn't understand,.
20100707 02:22:14< PeterPorty> Damn Gambit, I seem to have a much older version.
20100707 02:22:24< PeterPorty> come play multiplayer...
20100707 02:22:37< PeterPorty> server SpecialAttack freebuild...
20100707 02:22:47< PeterPorty> I'm sure you could become a builder in there....
20100707 02:25:38< Gambit> PeterPorty: but infdev is getting MP and creative soon
20100707 02:26:00< PeterPorty> yeah, but I have an old version of indev.
20100707 02:26:48< Gambit> lame
20100707 02:26:56< Gambit> indev doesn't even exist anymore
20100707 02:27:14< Gambit> PeterPorty: don't worry. Eventually the dirty pirate will figure out infdevs new obsfucation and write a new wrapper
20100707 02:27:24< PeterPorty> yeah.
20100707 02:27:36< PeterPorty> I downloaded an auto updater...
20100707 02:27:44< PeterPorty> seems it doens't work
20100707 02:29:42< Gambit> PeterPorty: Nope. Notch updated the obsfucation on infdev so his error messages could show him line numbers
20100707 02:29:45< Gambit> that broke all the wrappers
20100707 02:29:56< Gambit> both genuine and cracking ones
20100707 02:30:16< PeterPorty> damn notch...
20100707 02:30:24< Gambit> Nobody has figured it out yet and he's not sharing.
20100707 02:30:41< Gambit> PeterPorty: It's $12 usd
20100707 02:30:52< PeterPorty> way too expensive.
20100707 02:31:02< Gambit> It will be double that in a week or two
20100707 02:31:22< PeterPorty> .. TOO EXPENSIVE ..
20100707 02:31:51< Gambit> Not really.
20100707 02:31:56< Gambit> Muchos bang per buck
20100707 02:31:59< PeterPorty> dude, 0.0000001 cent is still too expensive for me, seriously, I can not pay at all
20100707 02:32:08< Gambit> Better than FF13 actually...
20100707 02:32:45< Gambit> PeterPorty: How old are you again?
20100707 02:32:59< Gambit> Though I guess the job market isn't so great atm
20100707 02:32:59< PeterPorty> 16.
20100707 02:33:02< Gambit> I can't find one either :(
20100707 02:33:23< Gambit> Well I could find one, but my ego is too large to flip burgers.
20100707 02:33:43< PeterPorty> dude... If I got any money, I'd use it so I don't get kicked out of school.
20100707 02:34:03< Gambit> education isn't public in chile?
20100707 02:34:12< PeterPorty> public education is crap
20100707 02:34:27< PeterPorty> in here
20100707 02:34:51< PeterPorty> well, not 'crap', but REALLY bad compared to private....
20100707 02:34:57< PeterPorty> right, shadowmaster?
20100707 02:35:29< PeterPorty> umm... ok, thanks.
20100707 02:35:44< Gambit> *my* education is public
20100707 02:35:48< Gambit> PeterPorty: cyber school
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20100707 02:36:00< PeterPorty> Gambit, only for the US and canada
20100707 02:36:05< Gambit> It's still paid for by public, but it's actually a good education
20100707 02:36:13< Gambit> s/public/taxes
20100707 02:36:19< PeterPorty> I know...
20100707 02:37:00< PeterPorty> seriously, here in Chile, if you have the money to send your children to a private school, and you don't, you deserve to go to jail.
20100707 02:39:55< Gambit> That bad?
20100707 02:40:38< PeterPorty> yes.
20100707 02:41:21< PeterPorty> unless u r the most hard-working person ever, or you are a genius, you will never be anyone coming from a public school.
20100707 02:41:29< PeterPorty> unless you get REALLY lucky
20100707 02:42:33< Gambit> PeterPorty: Are you still reading Ender's Shadow?
20100707 02:42:36< PeterPorty> Gambit, use the free version for a while and join our server in minecraft... seriously... we rock
20100707 02:42:50< PeterPorty> Gambit, I haven't started it Xd
20100707 02:42:58< PeterPorty> *yet*
20100707 02:43:03< Gambit> What's the server name?
20100707 02:43:15< PeterPorty> SpeciialAttackFreebuild
20100707 02:43:28< Gambit> [sic]?
20100707 02:43:38< PeterPorty> wth is sic?
20100707 02:43:50< Gambit> Did you mean to mispell special?
20100707 02:43:50< PeterPorty> SpecialAttackFreebuild*
20100707 02:43:55< PeterPorty> no....
20100707 02:44:02< Gambit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic
20100707 02:44:16< Gambit> I don't see that on the server list.
20100707 02:44:18< Gambit> It must be full?
20100707 02:44:42< Gambit> SpecialAttack.net Freebuild?
20100707 02:44:46< PeterPorty> that.
20100707 02:44:49< PeterPorty> :D
20100707 02:45:02< PeterPorty> yay!
20100707 02:45:05< Gambit> I only have 16 minutes until the greatest science fiction television show ever starts its second season :P
20100707 02:45:19< PeterPorty> I can help you build something so you get builder rank
20100707 02:45:35< PeterPorty> r u there?
20100707 02:45:50< PeterPorty> damn... crash...
20100707 02:48:05< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: yes, that's right (about pub vs priv)
20100707 02:48:16< PeterPorty> thx
20100707 02:48:28< shadowmaster> I was away making tea
20100707 02:48:40< shadowmaster> in case you were wondering.
20100707 02:49:25< shadowmaster> sadly, I don't have any weird food to eat today.
20100707 02:50:02 * Espreon wishes that he could teleport his weird food to shadowmaster's house.
20100707 02:50:05 * shadowmaster munches on a Príncipe
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20100707 03:01:51< Gambit> PeterPorty: g2g
20100707 03:02:05< PeterPorty> ok, wanna see the thing?
20100707 03:02:09< PeterPorty> or too late?
20100707 03:02:17< Gambit> okay
20100707 03:02:20< Gambit> make it quick though
20100707 03:02:28< PeterPorty> k, type /goto builder8
20100707 03:03:23< Gambit> PeterPorty: froze
20100707 03:03:40< PeterPorty> oh... damn... well... maybe some other day
20100707 03:03:44< PeterPorty> or you can wait...
20100707 03:03:49< PeterPorty> 20 seconds.
20100707 03:05:12< Valkier> Like a good neighbor, state farm is bear!
20100707 03:07:03< shadowmaster> bye Gambit
20100707 03:07:35< PeterPorty> c ya Gambit
20100707 03:07:40< PeterPorty> hope u liked it....
20100707 03:18:54< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: how's the rain there?
20100707 03:18:56< PeterPorty> umm... lemme check
20100707 03:18:56< PeterPorty> I think it stopped
20100707 03:18:57< PeterPorty> either that or it is raining reeeeally lightly
20100707 03:18:57< PeterPorty> (sorry, I'm on appartment, it's hhard to tell)
20100707 03:18:58< shadowmaster> ahhhhh...
20100707 03:18:58< shadowmaster> I thought you lived in a regular house.
20100707 03:18:58< shadowmaster> wait, apartments have windows.
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20100707 03:20:19< Gambit> darn family
20100707 03:20:22< Gambit> I'm missing so much of the show
20100707 03:20:27< Gambit> going to have to hulu it tomorow
20100707 03:20:34< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=440746#p440746 — Oh, happy happy joy joy.
20100707 03:20:35< Gambit> (I think syfy is still next day hulu)
20100707 03:20:51< Gambit> Espreon: 0_0
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20100707 03:23:09< Espreon> Gambit: Wha?
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20100707 03:25:18< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Why thank you.
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20100707 03:40:33< Aethaeryn> νοτε το σελφ... don't accidentally switch to greek when typing commands into a terminal...
20100707 03:40:40< Aethaeryn> <_<
20100707 03:40:43< Aethaeryn> >_>
20100707 03:41:40< Gambit> You know what? Why can't "funner" be a word?!
20100707 03:41:52< Gambit> Espreon: Let's fix that!
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20100707 03:42:39< Espreon> ... and while we're at it, let's bring back the dual number!
20100707 03:43:07< PeterPorty> Espreon is 'funner' than Gambit?
20100707 03:43:15< Gambit> Espreon: the wha?
20100707 03:43:31< Aethaeryn> Gambit: yeah, now I can finally have something that rhymes with 'gunner'
20100707 03:45:46< Espreon> Gambit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_pronouns#Old_English_personal_pronouns
20100707 03:46:02< shadowmaster> Gambit: Hulu is that service that streams popular shows for free on the U.S.?
20100707 03:46:10< Gambit> sic
20100707 03:46:21< shadowmaster> hm?
20100707 03:47:35< Gambit> DUDE!
20100707 03:47:42< Gambit> Aethaeryn: YOU KNOW THAT PAINTING OF THE CONVULTED STAIRS?!
20100707 03:47:50< Gambit> That's actually a painting of a vault inside the warehouse
20100707 03:47:53< Gambit> fking awesome
20100707 03:47:59< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: sí
20100707 03:48:02< Aethaeryn> is what he meant to say
20100707 03:48:03< Gambit> (and by "actually" I mean inside the show's fiction)
20100707 03:48:06< Gambit> Aethaeryn: No.
20100707 03:48:08< Gambit> I meant to use latin.
20100707 03:48:13< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: His Spanish book was very, very old.
20100707 03:48:17< Gambit> lol
20100707 03:49:11< Aethaeryn> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/s%C3%AD#Spanish
20100707 03:49:19< Aethaeryn> Look at the etymology :o
20100707 03:51:44< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ganar#Etymology ... Hooray...
20100707 03:51:57< Gambit> Aethaeryn: H.G. Wells is a woman :o
20100707 03:52:33< Gambit> *is*
20100707 03:52:39< Gambit> Aethaeryn: watch the show :@
20100707 03:52:41< Gambit> It's awesomesauce
20100707 03:52:54< Aethaeryn> I'm sorry, I don't want to fill my head with rubbish.
20100707 03:53:03< Aethaeryn> I'm too busy reading a fanfiction.
20100707 03:53:16< Gambit> irony :D
20100707 03:53:23< Aethaeryn> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2100
20100707 03:53:40< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: har har
20100707 03:56:06< Aethaeryn> Gambit: surprisingly, it's a good frame for the story.
20100707 03:56:12< Aethaeryn> considering what it's about
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20100707 03:57:44< Espreon> ... and I shall be back later.
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20100707 04:01:13< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Nathan Fillion is going to be on Warehouse 13 so IT MUST BE AWESOME!
20100707 04:02:28< Gambit> Aethaeryn: FACT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9j1rdrFgi8
20100707 04:03:18< Gambit> shadowmaster: eleazar uses the old www.wesnoth.org/forums/
20100707 04:03:20< Gambit> dun dun dun
20100707 04:03:25< shadowmaster> whatever
20100707 04:03:41< shadowmaster> remind me to try some rewrite rules the next time I upgrade the forums
20100707 04:03:43< Gambit> He must be liquidated.
20100707 04:04:14< shadowmaster> or during any other opportunity when I can't possibly interrupt other people's Forum Experience™.
20100707 04:04:30< Gambit> shadowmaster: if this were coldfusion you could use an application.cfc with a built in redirect inside /forums/
20100707 04:04:43< Gambit> wouldn't fix his bookmarks, but would stop the spreading of outdated links
20100707 04:04:44< shadowmaster> no, I'm going to use apache rules
20100707 04:05:06< shadowmaster> and it'd fix his bookmarks in my hypothetical case as long as browsers understand how to handle a certain HTTP response
20100707 04:05:17< Gambit> (but if it were coldfusion the only server software would still be in development and highly glitchy)
20100707 04:05:17< shadowmaster> also, the old path is forum/
20100707 04:05:20< shadowmaster> forums/ doesn't exist
20100707 04:05:24< Gambit> whatever
20100707 04:05:34< Gambit> s/server/forum/
20100707 04:05:39< shadowmaster> it's actually still the same path, so it's not really "old"
20100707 04:05:58< shadowmaster> it's just subject to change
20100707 04:06:04< shadowmaster> imagine me drunk
20100707 04:06:10< shadowmaster> with a big slasher smile
20100707 04:06:18< shadowmaster> and hitting the keyboard like a madman
20100707 04:06:28< shadowmaster> and connecting to wesnoth.org
20100707 04:06:41< Gambit> shadowmaster: so why was it so important that I go through and update all my bookmarks a few months back?
20100707 04:06:52< shadowmaster> mv /srv/www/html/forum /srv/www/html/bananasplit
20100707 04:07:03< shadowmaster> exit
20100707 04:07:06< shadowmaster> voilá
20100707 04:07:15< Gambit> wth
20100707 04:07:25< Gambit> why?
20100707 04:07:40< shadowmaster> 22:06:04 <shadowmaster> imagine me drunk
20100707 04:07:40< shadowmaster> 22:06:10 <shadowmaster> with a big slasher smile
20100707 04:07:40< shadowmaster> 22:06:18 <shadowmaster> and hitting the keyboard like a madman
20100707 04:07:42< shadowmaster> 22:06:28 <shadowmaster> and connecting to wesnoth.org
20100707 04:07:52< shadowmaster> what doesn't compute for you?
20100707 04:08:02< Gambit> Because even drunk madmen have a reason.
20100707 04:08:13< shadowmaster> FOR THE LULZ.
20100707 04:08:19< Gambit> And sober sane people have a reason for imagining themselves drunk and mad and doing weird things.
20100707 04:08:31< shadowmaster> FOR THE LULZ, too.
20100707 04:09:06< shadowmaster> the more realistic scenario is wesnoth.org being fragmented and split into several unconnected machines for some reason
20100707 04:09:28< shadowmaster> maybe if Wesnoth, Inc. goes broke and we can't continue affording the host
20100707 04:09:35< shadowmaster> or something
20100707 04:09:44< Aethaeryn> Gambit: tell them to change their name from syfy
20100707 04:09:50< Aethaeryn> and I might watch a show on it if I were really bored.
20100707 04:09:57< Aethaeryn> But really, I'm kinda done with TV... at least for now
20100707 04:10:27< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I did! I told them it made them sound like nerds. They didn't listen.
20100707 04:11:14< shadowmaster> espreon
20100707 04:11:19< shadowmaster> you screwed up
20100707 04:12:44< shadowmaster> Gambit: enough of a reason for ya, btw?
20100707 04:12:59< Gambit> shadowmaster: no
20100707 04:13:09< shadowmaster> why not?
20100707 04:13:23< shadowmaster> it's a realistic scenario. Very far-fetched but stilll realistic.
20100707 04:13:26< shadowmaster> and doesn't include drunkenness
20100707 04:14:31< shadowmaster> in any case I *am* going to add rewrite rules and set the primary host as forums.wesnoth.org in the database the next time we enter Emergency mode.
20100707 04:14:35< shadowmaster> a.k.a. "forums down"
20100707 04:15:09 * shadowmaster watches Gambit.
20100707 04:15:09< Gambit> but that will never happen
20100707 04:15:17< shadowmaster> yes, it will happe
20100707 04:15:22< shadowmaster> when phpBB 3.0.8 is out
20100707 04:15:39< shadowmaster> or the next time mysql screws up when recovering tables.
20100707 04:15:48< shadowmaster> or any time the forums need to get disabled
20100707 04:16:17< shadowmaster> it's happened four times under my rule already
20100707 04:16:45< shadowmaster> don't you remember?
20100707 04:16:59< Aethaeryn> someone needs to write a competitor to phpBB
20100707 04:17:01< Gambit> Only one actually.
20100707 04:17:04< Gambit> And it was on purpose.
20100707 04:17:09< Aethaeryn> you'd think forum software could advance at a faster pace.
20100707 04:17:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, four times
20100707 04:17:15< Aethaeryn> seems stuck in Web 1.5
20100707 04:17:17< shadowmaster> once because I screwed up
20100707 04:17:20< Aethaeryn> While we're moving toward Web 3.0
20100707 04:17:22< Gambit> Aethaeryn: there's an under development highly glitchy one :D
20100707 04:17:24< shadowmaster> another time because I upgraded to 3.0.5
20100707 04:17:28< Gambit> COLDFUSION!
20100707 04:17:34< shadowmaster> another time because I upgraded to 3.0.6
20100707 04:17:38< Gambit> shadowmaster: Since I've been lurking I only remember one.
20100707 04:17:54< shadowmaster> another time because the server was rebooted by an unknown failure and the mysql tables got corrupted
20100707 04:18:18< shadowmaster> if we go back in time to before my rule
20100707 04:18:27< shadowmaster> there' the December 2009 Crash
20100707 04:18:31< shadowmaster> I mean 2008
20100707 04:18:41< shadowmaster> there's the Great Crash of 2008
20100707 04:18:54< Gambit> Aethaeryn: there's the super locked down ones
20100707 04:18:58< shadowmaster> various crashes at ibiblio.org at the beginning of 2008
20100707 04:19:05< Gambit> Aethaeryn: i.e. Zetaboards
20100707 04:19:12< Gambit> invisionfree, forumarena
20100707 04:19:13< Gambit> etc
20100707 04:19:16< shadowmaster> various crashes at our former host, mainly due to dataabase corruption
20100707 04:19:20< shadowmaster> Gambit: there
20100707 04:19:30< Gambit> can't host them on other domains, can't modify them much
20100707 04:20:05< shadowmaster> all those events forced the forums to get disabled by one or other methods
20100707 04:20:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: [22:17:32] <Gambit> shadowmaster: Since I've been lurking I only remember one.
20100707 04:20:25< shadowmaster> for various lengths of time, ranging from a few minutes to more than a month
20100707 04:20:34 * Gambit never meant to imply his memory was infallible or complete even...
20100707 04:20:48< shadowmaster> your memory is irrelevant
20100707 04:20:53< shadowmaster> :p
20100707 04:21:35< shadowmaster> but you know you've been in the community too long when you remember all this
20100707 04:21:40< shadowmaster> *for too
20100707 04:21:58< Valkier> Gambit: Why did you leave #wesnoth-music?
20100707 04:22:00< Gambit> I think I'm going to bed early. Stupid cold in the middle of summer...
20100707 04:22:04< Gambit> Valkier: Because you scare me.
20100707 04:22:39< Gambit> Valkier: Just blurting out the names of random genitalia for no reason at all...
20100707 04:23:01< Valkier> :-P
20100707 04:23:03< Valkier> He asked.
20100707 04:23:11< Valkier> I was being a good person and replying.
20100707 04:27:11< Gambit> night all
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20100707 04:36:51< shadowmaster> enlistment?
20100707 04:37:08< shadowmaster> WHAT?!
20100707 04:37:29< shadowmaster> NO GAMBIT, YOU AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE FAR FROM THE USA. ID ON'T WANNA LOSE YOU LIKE I LOST TURUK !:(
20100707 04:37:29< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100707 04:37:38< shadowmaster> seriously
20100707 04:37:53< shadowmaster> I don't want to lose more forumers for a questionable cause.
20100707 04:38:56< Valkier> Political opinion detected!
20100707 04:39:22< shadowmaster> thank you, Captain Obvious!
20100707 04:40:06< Valkier> You're quite welcome Sgt. Bleeding Heart
20100707 04:53:53< shadowmaster> Espreon, I need you.
20100707 04:54:23< shadowmaster> at least bring your client here so I can leave you messages without using forum PM.
20100707 05:21:24< Aethaeryn> holy shit.
20100707 05:21:29< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=30664
20100707 05:21:32< Aethaeryn> where did this guy come from?
20100707 05:22:27< Aethaeryn> oh, he has a thread on EoM portraits... explains why I didn't see him before. I don't like that era
20100707 05:22:37< Aethaeryn> I have no clue why so many artists flock to it to do half-projects
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20100707 06:13:39< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=440890#p440890 — It beeþ a monster!
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20100707 07:09:45< noy> hey esr got a moment?
20100707 07:10:25< esr> Yes, what's up?
20100707 07:11:10<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7386 /trunk/Quenoth-Sandbox/new-quenoth-elves: Q-S: added some additional information on the Mystic line.
20100707 07:11:12< noy> I'm writing a academic paper on wesnoth for publication....
20100707 07:11:22< esr> Interesting.
20100707 07:11:23< noy> And I wanted to pick your brain about some stuff
20100707 07:11:52< noy> I'm interested on organizational culture and participation 
20100707 07:11:57< noy> among contributors
20100707 07:12:50< noy> Now my first question is whether you can remember any articles on the organizational culture of similarly organized programs or tasks
20100707 07:13:05< noy> like large online foss projects
20100707 07:14:47< noy> When I think of organizational culture, I mean studies of views of participants, structures of decision making, ect. 
20100707 07:16:17< noy> In general my area of interest is social identities and group decision making. I've read a few work that bridges these theories into the online world, but nothing specific to large collaborative projects. 
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20100707 07:40:56< esr> I don't know of anything quite like what you're describing.
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20100707 08:21:26<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7387 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/macros/abilities.cfg: TSL: new ability for all elementals, 'final strike'.
20100707 08:21:39 * shadowmaster doesn't feel well; going to sleep.
20100707 08:21:44< Espreon> Goodnight.
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20100707 08:43:17<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7388 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/macros/abilities.cfg: TSL: added wmlxgettext-pleasing hacks.
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20100707 09:32:20< Espreon> Byez...
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20100707 14:11:59< Gambit> Zarel is back.
20100707 14:12:03< Gambit> Off topic is saved!
20100707 14:12:12< timotei> lol?
20100707 14:12:14< Gambit> (if slightly more annoying)
20100707 14:12:23< timotei> Zarel is an angel?
20100707 14:12:55< Gambit> timotei: No, but he has to argue about everything and does not stop until everyone else is sick of the discussion, or utterly trampled.
20100707 14:13:19< Gambit> So even these forum games *WILL* turn into intelligent debates the moment they make a mistake Zarel can nitpick on.
20100707 14:13:41< Gambit> "It's only a matter of time"
20100707 14:15:04< timotei> :))
20100707 14:15:05< timotei> haha
20100707 14:15:05< timotei> nice
20100707 14:15:09< timotei> or not
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20100707 19:39:39< Gambit> so all chasm will be starry now?
20100707 19:39:42< Gambit> :\
20100707 19:40:13< Valkier> Starry?
20100707 19:49:52< zookeeper> of course, because it'd look stupid.
20100707 19:55:21< Gambit> (yeah because stars underground are not stupid looking at all)
20100707 19:55:43< Gambit> Options Are Good
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20100707 20:48:31< noy> no
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20100707 21:03:55< Aethaeryn> Gambit: if they're truly bottomless pits, then you'll see outer space on the other end.
20100707 21:03:58< Aethaeryn> duh
20100707 21:04:05< Aethaeryn> especially if they're underground so you're closer to the other side of Irdya
20100707 21:06:05< Gambit> ...
20100707 21:08:16< Aethaeryn> or you could just boot into trunk and notice that Ethereal Abyss and Chasm are two different terrains that have a bad transition into each other.
20100707 21:09:34< Aethaeryn> While trunk's definitely not usable yet pre-1.9 and all my uses-trunk projects are kinda on hold while I do 1.8 MP projects, it's still kinda useful to keep up with trunk.
20100707 21:16:14< Aethaeryn> I say definitely not usable because it's very, very unstable right now. Transitions bad, terrains changing color every day so asthetics can be off if you make a map now, and any second someone could break WML in your add-ons (again)
20100707 21:17:40< timotei> Aethaeryn: why not committing to local repo?:D
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20100707 22:15:40< Gambit> [16:14:31] <Aethaeryn> actually, I've never seen a convo there that involves *both* Wesnoth and music
20100707 22:15:44< Gambit> grr wrong channel again
20100707 22:15:54< Gambit> (sorry)
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20100707 22:19:10< `\> Gambit: you really need to check your channels first
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20100707 22:19:43< Gambit> Blueblaze: I'm having IRC issues in general today
20100707 22:19:44< Gambit> I blame the heat
20100707 22:20:58< Aethaeryn> you're in heat?
20100707 22:21:13< Gambit> ...
20100707 22:23:26< Aethaeryn> ?
20100707 22:34:57< Blueblaze> Gambit: I'm having internet troubles
20100707 22:34:57< Blueblaze> probably because of the rain
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20100707 22:36:06< Gambit> burning arch linux
20100707 22:40:40< Gambit> That linux book I got turned out to be a reference for people who are already intelligent. Not so much a getting started guide. :(
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20100707 22:45:01< Gambit> Unknown keyword in configuration file 'IPAPPEND'
20100707 22:45:09 * Gambit crosses arch linux off the list.
20100707 22:45:58< Gambit> Next up. Fedora.
20100707 22:46:14< Aethaeryn> Fedora "just works"
20100707 22:46:27< Gambit> Not according to 3sr :P
20100707 22:46:30< Aethaeryn> it's probably the friendliest distro that's not an Ubuntu clone.
20100707 22:46:33< Gambit> (but hopefully it will)
20100707 22:46:35< Aethaeryn> It's where "everyone else" went.
20100707 22:46:54< Gambit> Ubuntu didn't "just work" on this box :(
20100707 22:47:00< Aethaeryn> so I'll blame it on your computer's hardware or your own processor.
20100707 22:47:04< Aethaeryn> if it doesn't work
20100707 22:47:13< Aethaeryn> your own CPU
20100707 22:47:15< Gambit> The processor?
20100707 22:47:25< Gambit> 1.3ghz isn't that bad
20100707 22:47:29< Aethaeryn> nono
20100707 22:47:33< Gambit> or was it...
20100707 22:47:34< Aethaeryn> I mean the processor between your ears
20100707 22:47:42< Gambit> actually wrong machine
20100707 22:47:52< Gambit> *700mhz is really bad
20100707 22:47:57< Gambit> But supposedly enough
20100707 22:48:10< Gambit> I'm not even sure tbh
20100707 22:48:29< Gambit> Well we'll find out in an hour I guess.
20100707 22:48:53< Gambit> or rather I will. For you it'll be more like 2 :P
20100707 22:48:59< Gambit> (unless it doesn't work)
20100707 22:49:44< Aethaeryn> you might want to use xfce
20100707 22:50:07< Aethaeryn> and maybe explicitly use a my-computer-is-crap-from-last-mellenium distro
20100707 22:50:08< Gambit> if it works and I can put a coldfusion server on it I'll be happy
20100707 22:50:10< Aethaeryn> like DSL
20100707 22:50:15< Gambit> I'll worrry about speed a month from now
20100707 22:50:45< Aethaeryn> my only desktop has a 2.80 GHz quadcore
20100707 22:50:50< Aethaeryn> it's GNOME-3-ready
20100707 22:51:01< Aethaeryn> Gambit: your computer is *not* GNOME 3 ready
20100707 22:51:11< Gambit> My computer or my junker?
20100707 22:51:20< Gambit> my computer is 2.8ghz dual core
20100707 22:51:58< Gambit> perhaps mint will work
20100707 22:52:12< Gambit> i'll put it on the list after fedora
20100707 22:52:23< Aethaeryn> you're trying too major
20100707 22:52:36< Aethaeryn> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=puppy
20100707 22:52:44< Aethaeryn> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=tinycore
20100707 22:53:04< Gambit> I don't want something obscure though.
20100707 22:53:17< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux
20100707 22:53:18< Gambit> I'm lucky coldfusion even supported ubuntu.
20100707 22:53:42< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Puppy is #10 on distrowatch
20100707 22:53:55< Aethaeryn> according to distrowatch it's more popular than Gentoo and Kubuntu
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20100707 22:54:13< Aethaeryn> Tiny core is #17
20100707 22:54:24< Aethaeryn> Gambit: they're niche, not obscure.
20100707 22:54:32< Aethaeryn> they're designed for old computers or embedded systems.
20100707 22:54:54< Aethaeryn> and quite frankly, since my phone has a 1 GHz snapdragon processor, embedded systems are going to start getting better than your desktop
20100707 22:55:10< Aethaeryn> Gambit: my phone is better than the computer you're trying to install Linux on.
20100707 22:55:18< Gambit> Really?
20100707 22:55:37< Gambit> I'm not even sure what it's stats were anymore.
20100707 22:55:48< Gambit> It's probable though.
20100707 22:56:05< Aethaeryn> and it can run new stuff
20100707 22:56:12< Aethaeryn> something a 1GHz desktop/laptop can no longer do
20100707 22:56:24< Gambit> So fedora might be a nogo...
20100707 22:56:27< Aethaeryn> at least single core
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20100707 22:56:32< Aethaeryn> Gambit: there's probably a spin of fedora
20100707 22:56:45< Aethaeryn> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde/
20100707 22:56:55< Aethaeryn> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/
20100707 22:57:09< Aethaeryn> Gambit: try one of thoes rather than the official
20100707 22:57:21< Gambit> Well it meets minimum for official
20100707 22:57:28< Aethaeryn> yeah, but still
20100707 22:57:33< Aethaeryn> it'll run much smoother on one of those
20100707 22:57:44< Aethaeryn> even my 2-year-old-laptop runs better on xfce (bad graphics, anyway)
20100707 22:57:59< Aethaeryn> I just use GNOME for the wider support, such as VirtualBox seamless mode
20100707 22:58:26< Aethaeryn> if you're not going to use anything really intense, try one
20100707 22:58:53< Gambit> k
20100707 22:59:13< Aethaeryn> I think the difference is that LXDE by default kinda resembles KDE 4 and XFCE kinda resembles GNOME 2 but iirc they both use GTK instead of qt
20100707 22:59:16< Aethaeryn> just find one you like 
20100707 22:59:24< Aethaeryn> Gambit: in fact, the repo will have 'em both so try 'em both
20100707 22:59:34< shadowmaster> LXDE? KDE 4?
20100707 22:59:41< shadowmaster> I think I' need to try it
20100707 22:59:42< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LXDE_desktop_full.png
20100707 22:59:45< Aethaeryn> kinda resembles it
20100707 22:59:57< Aethaeryn> I could be wrong, it's just one screenshot.
20100707 23:00:12< Aethaeryn> I know for a fact though that xfce resembles gnome 2 heavily.
20100707 23:00:29< Gambit> I'm only doing one more massive livecd download tonight
20100707 23:00:44< Gambit> so if Fedora XFCE fails I'll try the other one tomorow
20100707 23:02:13< Aethaeryn> ok
20100707 23:02:23< Aethaeryn> just saying that xfce and lxde are probably better bets at getting working
20100707 23:02:30< Aethaeryn> if neither works, Fedora won't run :-P
20100707 23:02:38< Aethaeryn> but then you can try things like lubuntu and xubuntu or w/e
20100707 23:03:03< Aethaeryn> Gambit: there's also a moblin spin
20100707 23:03:24< Aethaeryn> maybe that'd run since some tablets and netbooks today might be comparable to your computer in specs :P
20100707 23:03:47< Gambit> I'm still not sure what went wrong with ubuntu
20100707 23:03:50< Gambit> maybe corrup download
20100707 23:03:54< Gambit> I never check these things :P
20100707 23:04:02< Gambit> But all the options were "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF"
20100707 23:04:09< Gambit> the menus for choosing my language and extra options work
20100707 23:04:15< Aethaeryn> It could just be too old.
20100707 23:04:18< Gambit> I just couldn't pick the one to make it start the installation.
20100707 23:04:24< Aethaeryn> try a non-graphical installer?
20100707 23:04:28< Gambit> And the text installer just went to black screen.
20100707 23:04:33< Aethaeryn> anyway, if Fedora's two low-end spin fails...
20100707 23:04:38< Gambit> Aethaeryn: yes ^
20100707 23:04:42< Aethaeryn> try Puppy or Tiny Core
20100707 23:04:51< Aethaeryn> they're in the top 20 of distrowatch
20100707 23:04:56< Aethaeryn> so they aren't *that* obscure
20100707 23:05:15< Gambit> Aethaeryn: you can't believe everything you read on the internets!
20100707 23:05:46< Aethaeryn> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/games/
20100707 23:05:47< Aethaeryn> w00t
20100707 23:05:56< Aethaeryn> w
20100707 23:06:04< Aethaeryn> we are considered the top game the Fedora repository includes
20100707 23:06:08< Aethaeryn> at least on that list :-P
20100707 23:06:23< Aethaeryn> Gambit: also... I can believe distrowatch
20100707 23:06:45< Aethaeryn> there's a small subset of the internet called the "clean internet" that is all the stuff you get on the top of Google links or that show up a lot in Wikipedia links
20100707 23:06:51< Aethaeryn> distrowatch is one of those in the "clean internet"
20100707 23:07:14< Aethaeryn> (which is probably over 100,000 sites... probably over 1,000,000 even)
20100707 23:07:16< Aethaeryn> (still a small subset)
20100707 23:07:56< Aethaeryn> it's a sliding scale on the Internet between Google and 4chan
20100707 23:08:28< Aethaeryn> distrowatch is on the trustworthy side
20100707 23:09:05< Aethaeryn> http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/distrowatch.com
20100707 23:09:09< Aethaeryn> ranked 15,915 in the world too
20100707 23:38:53<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * r15c347d2e59e /README: Add README file
20100707 23:42:27<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * ra4ecdc81124e / (4 files in 4 dirs): Wesnoth mod: apply shadowmaster's wesnothd usernames compatibility check
20100707 23:44:26<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * r05a32774af8d /styles/prosilver/template/overall_header.html: Prosilver: apply Glamdrol modifications, includes Google Analytics code
20100707 23:44:28<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * rebffd429c693 /styles/prosilver/template/overall_header.html: 
20100707 23:44:28<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: Prosilver: merge missing changes in Glamdrol modification
20100707 23:44:28<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: - add UsefulLinks link in the top bar
20100707 23:44:28<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: - use http://forums.wesnoth.org/ in the navbar instead of http://www.wesnoth.org/forum
20100707 23:44:31<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * ra7be8cfc6208 /styles/prosilver/template/overall_header.html: 
20100707 23:44:31<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: Prosilver: yet another missing change in Glamdrol modification
20100707 23:44:31<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: - Remove that pesky blue banner. We don't need it. This involves putting
20100707 23:44:31<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums:  an alternate search button/link in the light-blue area below the banner.
20100707 23:46:37<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * rf484720d7f5c /styles/wesnoth/ (113 files in 5 dirs): 
20100707 23:46:37<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: Restoring the wesnoth theme, with a caveat
20100707 23:46:37<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: Templates are missing; this means that once this source is deployed,
20100707 23:46:37<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: the wesnoth theme will stop working until an administrator switches
20100707 23:46:37<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: its template to subsilver2 in the database.
20100707 23:46:37<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: However, this makes template management easier as there are less files
20100707 23:46:38<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: to modify when a change is necessary.
20100707 23:47:05< shadowmaster> bleh, half of the commit message is N/A
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