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20100712 01:34:56< shadowmaster> I'VE HAD IT WITH FGLRX'S TEARING AND HIGH CPU USAGE WITH VSYNC!
20100712 01:35:09 * shadowmaster gives drm/radeon a hug.
20100712 01:35:39 * shadowmaster wishes Espreon was here.
20100712 01:39:21< shadowmaster> ñ.ñ/40
20100712 01:39:30< shadowmaster> more like I've had it with this laptop
20100712 01:43:08< shadowmaster> naturally, I can't use Konsole anymore with drm/radeon. So I'll have to stick to Terminator again :/
20100712 01:45:56< shadowmaster> well, I guess I can't avoid XVideo tearing, but at least 2D rendering isn't teary anymore and X's CPU usage keeps below 30% anyway
20100712 01:49:09< shadowmaster> remind me to get an NVIDIA-based laptop the next time
20100712 01:53:39< shadowmaster> wait, I'm seeing tearing everywhere.
20100712 01:53:51< shadowmaster> maybe it's time to assume that either the graphics controller is acting up, or...
20100712 02:03:12< Gambit> Riveting tale chap.
20100712 02:03:16< Gambit> jeb jeb
20100712 02:04:46< Gambit> -smugleaf.png-
20100712 02:05:02< Gambit> This font looks so stupid because it doesn't support some obscure dead alphabet.
20100712 02:08:11 * shadowmaster kicks Gambit
20100712 02:09:44< Gambit> Just not the same aye?
20100712 02:10:07< shadowmaster> Gambit: what's your problem with Espreon? :(
20100712 02:10:15< Gambit> I don't have a problem :s
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20100712 02:10:43< Gambit> Did you get that impression from my impression of him?
20100712 02:11:06< Gambit> shadowmaster: When doing impersonations you must exxagerate thing.
20100712 02:11:23< Gambit> s/impersonations/impersonations for humor/
20100712 02:11:32< shadowmaster> don't impersonate Espreon..
20100712 02:12:52< Gambit> Man I really suck at making you laugh.
20100712 02:12:58< Gambit> One of these days though.
20100712 02:14:23< Gambit> I bet you like slapstick.
20100712 02:14:29< Gambit> I can't do that via forums and IRC darnit!
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20100712 04:39:42< Gambit> mailing list makes me angry
20100712 04:41:32< Gambit> They don't see the massive benefit to wesnoth?
20100712 04:41:47< Gambit> And indeed to open source games by extension.
20100712 04:41:55< Gambit> iphone = massive exposure
20100712 04:41:55< shadowmaster> I don't, either.
20100712 04:42:13< Gambit> "Hey look. Open source video game that isn't a piece of shit."
20100712 04:42:21< shadowmaster> this "massive exposure" business sounds potentially dangerous to me as far as forum administration is concerned.
20100712 04:42:26< Gambit> True
20100712 04:44:01< Gambit> Kyles last post seems to imply that there isn't actually any violation at all.
20100712 04:44:18< Gambit> Whereas previous posts focused on why you guys should not be upset about a violation.
20100712 04:44:22< Gambit> Either way.
20100712 04:45:31< Gambit> But then after ""Hey look. Open source video game that isn't a piece of shit."
20100712 04:45:35< Gambit> They get on the forums.
20100712 04:45:46< Gambit> They might want to make addons if they decide to play it on PC
20100712 04:45:56< Gambit> "Hey look. Open source art software that isn't a piece of shit."
20100712 04:46:17< Gambit> And then Gimp leads to inkscape and it just keeps going
20100712 04:46:25< shadowmaster> I want Turuk.
20100712 04:46:33< shadowmaster> he'd know how to handle the newbies.
20100712 04:46:45 * shadowmaster curls up on the floor and cries
20100712 04:46:47< Gambit> You know what really ticks me off speaking of Turuk?
20100712 04:46:57< Gambit> Back when the artists were fighting over that outside place hiring artists for us
20100712 04:47:09< Gambit> An anonymous person donated a rather decent sum of money
20100712 04:47:16< Gambit> to higher an artist already in the community
20100712 04:47:20< Gambit> and AFAIK nothing came of that
20100712 04:47:35< Gambit> And that was said anonymous person's last contribution to the wesnoth community.
20100712 04:47:43< Gambit> Before leaving to serve his country.
20100712 04:47:53< Gambit> s/higher/hire/
20100712 04:48:36< Gambit> I mean did they just take his money and run? wtf
20100712 04:48:55< Gambit> The one guy that was there hasn't done jack (that is documented on the forums)
20100712 04:49:19< Gambit> The one that was redoing HttT story stuff
20100712 04:50:08< Gambit> And after that massive fight those people are probably like "Okay so we won't offer help to *that* game ever again..."
20100712 04:50:25< Gambit> They got a rather raw impression of our (normally) nice community.
20100712 04:50:37< Gambit> Poor shadowmaster. Turuk and Espreon.
20100712 04:50:38< shadowmaster> there wasn't a massive fight.
20100712 04:50:42< Gambit> But I'm still here. :)
20100712 04:50:42< shadowmaster> it was the most unilateral discussion ever.
20100712 04:50:58< Gambit> Really?
20100712 04:51:05< Gambit> Did you read the same threads?
20100712 04:51:12< Gambit> Because I saw an artist call for a massive revolt.
20100712 04:51:24< shadowmaster> yes, but it didn't happen AFAIK
20100712 04:51:26< shadowmaster> it was only Valkier complaining alone
20100712 04:51:26< Gambit> (it failed, but still... t'was called for)
20100712 04:51:41< shadowmaster> so there *wasn't* any massive fight.
20100712 04:52:13< Gambit> Whatever. /me is raging tonight after reading that email
20100712 04:52:35< Gambit> Or at least as raging as is possible for me.
20100712 04:53:12< Gambit> I guess they put in code on principle because it was OSS.
20100712 04:53:18< Gambit> And not because they liked the project.
20100712 04:53:47< Gambit> Or it's strict followance of GPL is the main reason they liked it.
20100712 04:53:53< shadowmaster> I believe that all developers  have worked on Wesnoth mainly because they like the game itself.
20100712 04:53:54< Gambit> s/it's/its/
20100712 04:54:09< shadowmaster> the developer in question also wrote the current tutorial.
20100712 04:54:45< Gambit> Then they'd overlook whatever minor infraction there might be (which hasn't really been established for sure!) in favor of the massive benefit the game they love recieves.
20100712 04:55:59< Gambit> So the developers who've already contributed are free to demand that thier code be removed from all versions of wesnoth?
20100712 04:56:16< Gambit> Even if that code's been tweaked/improved?
20100712 04:56:21< Gambit> And what is their code anyways...
20100712 04:56:27< Gambit> If someone retypes it letter for letter...
20100712 04:56:40< Gambit> (it has to preform the same function neh?)
20100712 04:56:56< shadowmaster> you realize that they retain copyright over their work? Remember that GPL isn't the same as public domain
20100712 04:57:07< Gambit> Okay.
20100712 04:57:22< shadowmaster> and replicating it letter by letter is copying it just like "cp" does
20100712 04:57:24< Aethaeryn> There's a reason that Red Hat Enterprise Linux, though open source, isn't $0
20100712 04:57:26< Gambit> But if someone makes their own code that does the exact same thing.
20100712 04:57:35< Aethaeryn> CentOS has to strip all mention of Red Hat and all trademarked images
20100712 04:57:46< Gambit> And it ends up accidentally being letter for letter (simply because it has to preform the same function)
20100712 04:57:56< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: this isn't about sold/free, anyway. This is about the hardware platform's limitations and their effect on Free software.
20100712 04:58:06< shadowmaster> this isn't about trademarks either.
20100712 04:58:07< Gambit> Like... what if there isn't another way of doing something?
20100712 04:58:16< Gambit> And so the only way to do it is the exact way the removed version did it?
20100712 04:58:28< Gambit> (rename your variables. Lol)
20100712 04:58:45< shadowmaster> Gambit: you don't seem to take this very seriously
20100712 04:58:57< shadowmaster> either that or you don't understand well the issues at hand.
20100712 04:59:02< Gambit> I just don't understand how code already contributed (and possibly edited) can be removed.
20100712 04:59:09< Gambit> I'm asking how that works as far as replacement goes.
20100712 04:59:18< Aethaeryn> Meh.
20100712 04:59:23< Aethaeryn> All this drama.
20100712 04:59:28< shadowmaster> the same Debian can replace an application's logo if it isn't DFSG-complaint
20100712 04:59:32< shadowmaster> *same way
20100712 04:59:34< Aethaeryn> That's why when I'm rich I'll just hire a team of artists.
20100712 04:59:42< Aethaeryn> Whenever I need art for something (anything) I'll just say, "draw this"
20100712 04:59:46< Gambit> So... it can just be rewritten by someone else?
20100712 05:00:09< shadowmaster> yes
20100712 05:00:20< Gambit> Well then how do they know it's not thiers?
20100712 05:00:33< Aethaeryn> I'll show the rich people how you live a 21st century aristocratic lifestyle.
20100712 05:00:39< Gambit> Which in that case, why complain at all? It does absolutely nothing...
20100712 05:00:43< shadowmaster> comparing?
20100712 05:00:44< Aethaeryn> Server rooms in the basement... Staffs of artists and coders... just for lulz.
20100712 05:00:59< Aethaeryn> Gambit: want to join with your VisualBasic skills?
20100712 05:01:07< Gambit> What skills?
20100712 05:01:11< Aethaeryn> Otherwise I can't track IPs :-
20100712 05:01:14< Aethaeryn> no GUIs :-(
20100712 05:01:17< Gambit> rofl
20100712 05:01:19< shadowmaster> hahaha
20100712 05:01:29< Gambit> One of the youtube comments on that video was "SHE CARES ABOUT THE END USER DAMMIT!"
20100712 05:01:31< Gambit> I lol'd.
20100712 05:01:44< shadowmaster> use Visual C# instead. Visual Basic i so 90s.
20100712 05:01:57< shadowmaster> *is
20100712 05:02:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: Oh yeah sure laugh at Aethaeryn's jokes.
20100712 05:02:08< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: It's a YouTube video
20100712 05:02:13< Aethaeryn> Gambit knows it because he knows all of YouTube
20100712 05:02:18< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: I know.
20100712 05:02:23< Aethaeryn> he probably also knows of "ENHANCE!"
20100712 05:02:29< shadowmaster> I saw it before (I think I stumbled upon it from TVTropes)
20100712 05:02:42< Gambit> I can tell from a few stray pixels and because I've seen quite a few youtubes in my time.
20100712 05:03:02< shadowmaster> YOUTUBE ISN'T A NOUN
20100712 05:03:03< shadowmaster> DIE!!!!
20100712 05:03:25< Gambit> If Espreon were here he'd say that they're "youtupodes"
20100712 05:03:40< Gambit> shadowmaster: Errr Youtube isn't a noun?
20100712 05:03:50< shadowmaster> well, it's a proper name
20100712 05:03:51< Gambit> I thought it was a proper noun; the name of a video hosting site.
20100712 05:04:00< shadowmaster> but not a common noun
20100712 05:04:08< Gambit> s/youtubes/Youtubes/
20100712 05:04:09< shadowmaster> different thing, you see
20100712 05:04:20< Gambit> Grammar nazi?
20100712 05:04:23< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I think I saw that from TVTropes too
20100712 05:04:46< Gambit> I can tell from a few stray pixels and from seeing quiet a few TvTropes in my time.
20100712 05:04:51< shadowmaster> HEIL EM DASH!
20100712 05:05:51< Gambit> And of course norbert chimed in
20100712 05:06:00< Gambit> With his "GOOGLE IS THE DEVIL!" mentality...
20100712 05:06:05< Gambit> Except against apple
20100712 05:06:31< shadowmaster> that idiot just doesn't know when to shut up
20100712 05:07:07< Aethaeryn> ?
20100712 05:07:15< shadowmaster> norbert?
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20100712 05:07:33< shadowmaster> he's been trolling with the GPL thing in the forums before too
20100712 05:07:35< Gambit> The fact of the matter is that I can download iWesnoth's source, sign up as an iphone developer, and compile wesnoth on my iphone, and send it to my buddies.
20100712 05:07:40< Gambit> Assuming I knew anything about that stuff.
20100712 05:07:44< Gambit> And had buddies with iphones.
20100712 05:08:09< Gambit> Or cared about phones in general.
20100712 05:08:10< Aethaeryn> yeah
20100712 05:08:12< Aethaeryn> OR
20100712 05:08:13< Gambit> At all.
20100712 05:08:20< Aethaeryn> I could just port Wesnoth to Android
20100712 05:08:22< Aethaeryn> and all will be well
20100712 05:08:25< Aethaeryn> and all will be happy
20100712 05:08:40< Gambit> Aethaeryn: so how's that coming along?
20100712 05:08:43< Aethaeryn> Gambit: though technically, the Wesnoth project could call trademark vio on the name?
20100712 05:08:52< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I got everything in the IDE to work.
20100712 05:08:56< Aethaeryn> Gambit: and I bought a ton of books
20100712 05:08:58< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Well I didn't say I'd put it in the store.
20100712 05:09:03< Aethaeryn> I just need to read them all, and maybe i'll know what to do
20100712 05:09:10< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: oh please no
20100712 05:09:12< Gambit> Apple allows you to send things you've developed to other people for "testing" :D
20100712 05:09:18< shadowmaster> I hope we never take the trademarking route
20100712 05:09:21< shadowmaster> otherwise I'll hate myself for the rest of my life
20100712 05:09:30< shadowmaster> ...more than I already do anyway ;)
20100712 05:09:56< Gambit> that's... bleak
20100712 05:11:10< Gambit> I really like norbert's addon website.
20100712 05:11:36< shadowmaster> its layout sucks
20100712 05:11:39< Gambit> But he steps in a lot of dog poo; even more than me, or...
20100712 05:11:53< Gambit> Hula or someone.
20100712 05:11:56< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: but... Shadow Master is a boss...
20100712 05:12:00< Aethaeryn> Maybe you can claim rights on him
20100712 05:12:11< Aethaeryn> as a video game character
20100712 05:12:23< Aethaeryn> after all, the innovative name *is* your intellectual property
20100712 05:13:03< Gambit> Also he dislikes google for some strange reason, which I cannot forgive him for.
20100712 05:13:11< Gambit> Google is single handedly making the world a better place.
20100712 05:13:20< Gambit> google and wikipedia
20100712 05:13:26< Aethaeryn> Google is evil, yes.
20100712 05:13:30< Aethaeryn> But at least it's the free kind of evil.
20100712 05:13:39< Aethaeryn> Microsoft and Apple both have high costs of entry into their worlds.
20100712 05:13:43< Gambit> They're not evil...
20100712 05:13:45< Aethaeryn> I'll take the free, tyvm.
20100712 05:13:47< Gambit> Google I mean.
20100712 05:13:48< Aethaeryn> Take all my personal information.
20100712 05:13:52< Aethaeryn> Not like I have anything to hide.
20100712 05:13:57< Aethaeryn> Just give me MOAR FREE STUFFZ
20100712 05:14:03< Gambit> Google is trying to break up American DSL monopolies
20100712 05:14:12< Aethaeryn> right
20100712 05:14:13< Gambit> That is the most important economic issue right now to me.
20100712 05:14:18< Aethaeryn> I agree with that
20100712 05:14:22< Aethaeryn> Google is also now keeping Wikipedia alive
20100712 05:14:27< Aethaeryn> since it donated substantially last year I think
20100712 05:14:30< Aethaeryn> and probably will again this year
20100712 05:14:30< Gambit> The fact that I pay twice as much for 1/10th the speed of other countries
20100712 05:14:39< Aethaeryn> Wikipedia being probably one of the most common top 10 results on Google
20100712 05:14:49< Aethaeryn> I mean, the 2010 Fifa World Cup Finals search that you clicked on their logo today
20100712 05:14:56< Gambit> Google should just assimilate wikipedia and be done with it.
20100712 05:15:02< Aethaeryn> the #2 unique result (real result #2 was same website as #1) was Wikipedia
20100712 05:15:35< Gambit> Also people harp on google ads from time to time
20100712 05:15:44< Gambit> But you know what? they standardized internet advertising!
20100712 05:15:52< Gambit> At least on reputable sites, no more popups
20100712 05:15:55< Gambit> no more sound ads
20100712 05:15:59< Gambit> no more video ads
20100712 05:16:24< Gambit> Google docs; a free file sharing service!
20100712 05:17:03< Gambit> I heart google
20100712 05:17:31< Gambit> I kind of lost my train of thought.
20100712 05:17:40< Gambit> goodnight shadowmaster and Aethaeryn.
20100712 05:17:46< Gambit> And lobby.
20100712 05:18:08< shadowmaster> night
20100712 05:18:40< Gambit> ooh frogatto is launching soon
20100712 05:18:41< Gambit> exciting
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20100712 05:31:31< Aethaeryn> Gambit and Google should get a room
20100712 05:31:50< Aethaeryn> and this is coming from someone who is arguable a big Google fanboy with just about everything Google but Chrome
20100712 05:32:03< Aethaeryn> (I say as I have chrome up instead of Firefox in one of my many web browser windows)
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20100712 05:42:25< Espreon> shadowmaster; children: Do not worry... I have not starved...
20100712 05:42:56< shadowmaster> Espreon! <3
20100712 05:43:01< shadowmaster> wait, web gateway?
20100712 05:43:35< Espreon> The reason that I have been away is due to the fact that my laptop's AC adaptor has died...
20100712 05:43:48< shadowmaster> :(
20100712 05:44:02< Espreon> Sadly, I can only access teh Intermanet via my Wii.
20100712 05:45:20< Espreon> shadowmaster: When Gambit returns, please kick him in the face for doing such a poor impersonation of me.
20100712 05:45:45< shadowmaster> k
20100712 05:46:42 * Espreon wonders why everyone's so butthurt about this iPhone shit...
20100712 05:47:16< shadowmaster> politics
20100712 05:48:03< Espreon> At this rate, faces shall be kicked by feet that are wearing geta.
20100712 05:49:37< Espreon> shadowmaster; children: When I leave, do not expect me to be back till Tuesday.
20100712 05:49:50< shadowmaster> k
20100712 05:49:57< shadowmaster> who are the children?
20100712 05:50:28< Espreon> Everyone else who cares.
20100712 05:50:50< shadowmaster> 09:04:26 <AI0867> in about 12 hours, I'll be gone for 10 days
20100712 05:50:51< shadowmaster> Day changed to 11 Jul 2010
20100712 05:51:08< shadowmaster> It seems that I'm going to be alone for now.
20100712 05:51:16< shadowmaster> ;.(
20100712 05:51:25< Espreon> Damn it all!
20100712 05:52:43< Espreon> shadowmaster: Why can't you be like the cool kids and use the subjunctive mood? Don't be like PetePorty!
20100712 05:53:00< shadowmaster> uh...what?
20100712 05:53:29< Espreon> You said something like "I wish Espreon was here."
20100712 05:54:10< shadowmaster> what should I've said?
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20100712 05:54:31< shadowmaster> 23:54:10 <shadowmaster> what should I've said?
20100712 05:54:47< Espreon_> Damn this stupid browser... luckily, when I got it, it was free!
20100712 05:55:32< Espreon_> shadowmaster: You should have said: "I wish Espreon were here."
20100712 05:56:25< shadowmaster> that's like "if Espreon were here, he'd kick some faces" ?
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20100712 05:57:49< Espreon_> shadowmaster: Yeah. If you're wondering about other cases, just read the the Wikipedia article on Modern English's subjunctive mood.
20100712 05:58:05< shadowmaster> k
20100712 05:58:20 * Espreon_ kills the redundant "the"
20100712 05:58:37< Espreon_> This browser... sucks...
20100712 05:58:59-!- Espreon_ is now known as Espreon
20100712 06:01:18< Espreon> PetePorty should be cast into a volcano; he wouldn't say "Deseo que Espreon estuvo <insert Spanish word for "banned here>.", but he'd do the English equivalent of it... He was like "screw your moods!"
20100712 06:02:45< Espreon> Also, no angular quotation marks or going out of my way to correct things, for I'm on the shitty Wii browser.
20100712 06:03:34< shadowmaster> þæt beeþ terrible
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20100712 06:05:13< Espreon_> DAMN IT!
20100712 06:06:26< Espreon_> shadowmaster: Did you say anything after the cool version of "that beeth terrible"?
20100712 06:06:33< shadowmaster> no
20100712 06:06:43< shadowmaster> I mean, nay.
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20100712 06:07:34< Espreon_> Although ash and thorn render here... I don't get to use thorn... boo hoo... And of course, no IPA, no runes... no hieroglyphs... no cuneiform... blargh......
20100712 06:10:03< shadowmaster> Espreon_: do you have time to read stuff?
20100712 06:10:50< Espreon_> shadowmaster: <coolificate>What beeth terrible? The fact that I'm on this shitty browser or what PetePorty does?</coolificate>
20100712 06:11:03< Espreon_> Uh, what stuff?
20100712 06:11:22< shadowmaster> the fact that you are in such stuck in such a hell of a platform.
20100712 06:11:38< shadowmaster> I updated http://shadowm.rewound.net/projects/irdya-after-the-fall/demons.php with some more stuff although I'm still working on it
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20100712 06:12:00< Espreon_> VALKIER!
20100712 06:12:07< Valkier> How's it going?
20100712 06:12:36< Espreon_> Terrible! I'm stuck on my shitty Wii...
20100712 06:12:51< Valkier> You're using a Wii for IRC?
20100712 06:13:22< Espreon_> Well, my laptop is being repaired... and a new AC adaptor has to be purchased... so... yeahz...
20100712 06:13:36< Valkier> Well that sucks
20100712 06:13:47< Valkier> What happened to the laptop?
20100712 06:15:23< Espreon_> IDK... the shop is probably gypping my mother... IDK. Something might have happened when we tried to revive one of out older adaptors... DAMN IT GREGORY! HWY SO YOU HAVE TO BREAK FUCKING EVERYTHING! WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
20100712 06:15:49< shadowmaster> okay.
20100712 06:16:01< shadowmaster> NEVER, EVER use broken AC adaptors.
20100712 06:16:17< Valkier> 0_0
20100712 06:16:43< Espreon_> Hey, that was my father's stupid idea. I was not involved in the decision making...
20100712 06:16:52< shadowmaster> yeah, but anyway
20100712 06:16:59< shadowmaster> they shouldn't be repaired by end users either.
20100712 06:19:11< Espreon_> Whatever... Anyway, I wish that people would play with siphon and final strike for teh lulz...
20100712 06:20:00< Valkier> ...?
20100712 06:20:20< Valkier> So anyways, shadowmaster: What's cookin?
20100712 06:20:41< shadowmaster> I'm not doing anything in particular atm
20100712 06:21:06< Espreon_> Valkier: siphon and final strike are two abilities that I recently created.
20100712 06:22:05< Valkier> Stipand and rotten bike?
20100712 06:22:18< Espreon_> Another thing for my todo list: Smite "second"...
20100712 06:22:53< Espreon_> Valkier: Sure, hwy not?
20100712 06:23:07< Valkier> They'd be horrible abilities!
20100712 06:23:14< Valkier> Anyways, why are you copying WoW?
20100712 06:23:31< Espreon_> I am?
20100712 06:23:39< Valkier> Yup
20100712 06:24:05< Espreon_> I have never played WoW in my life...
20100712 06:24:14< Valkier> You will.
20100712 06:24:30< Espreon_> Never...
20100712 06:25:38< Aethaeryn> It's a trap!
20100712 06:25:46< Aethaeryn> WoW is really crack cocaine digitized.
20100712 06:25:56< Valkier> lol
20100712 06:25:58< Aethaeryn> You just can't quit it.
20100712 06:26:02< Valkier> WoW got boring after a bit for me.
20100712 06:26:08< Aethaeryn> sush
20100712 06:26:13< Aethaeryn> it's supposed to be the worst scourge ever
20100712 06:26:17< Valkier> The girl I was dating got pissed when I left. :-P
20100712 06:26:18< Aethaeryn> that gets everyone addicted
20100712 06:26:58< Aethaeryn> Valkier: damn, you *are* a manwhore.
20100712 06:27:02< Valkier> Well, I've never been one to get addicted to things.
20100712 06:27:18< Valkier> She's still playing as far as I know, however.
20100712 06:27:20< Aethaeryn> Espreon_: how the hell did you do IRC on the Wii?
20100712 06:27:25< Aethaeryn> Opera can handle it?
20100712 06:28:15< Espreon_> Yup, the shitty browser can somehow run webchat.freenode.net...
20100712 06:28:20< Aethaeryn> rofl
20100712 06:28:25< Aethaeryn> 00:29:07 CTCP VERSION reply from Espreon_: qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Opera/9.30 (Nintendo Wii; U; ; 3642; en)
20100712 06:28:30< Aethaeryn> yup, somehow
20100712 06:28:40< Aethaeryn> Apparently Opera is great at running embedded web browsers
20100712 06:28:49< Aethaeryn> Opera Mini made my crap featurephone usable
20100712 06:28:58< Aethaeryn> wasn't perfect, but at least it rendered 1000000x better
20100712 06:29:00< shadowmaster> qwebirc isn't a web browser
20100712 06:31:11 * Espreon_ is offended by the fact that Valkier thinks that he would copy WoW...
20100712 06:31:14< shadowmaster> morale of the day:
20100712 06:31:39< shadowmaster> while fglrx is awesome at 3D rendering, it sucks at compositing
20100712 06:32:06< shadowmaster> actually, I think its a more complicated problem than I make it sound like, but whatever.
20100712 06:32:27< Valkier> Aethaeryn: What do you mean I'm a man whore? She was a steady girlfriend at the time. :-P
20100712 06:33:11< Espreon_> fglrx is intended for 3D workstations, not for effects and shit...
20100712 06:33:43< shadowmaster> anyway, I think I want a better laptop
20100712 06:33:57< shadowmaster> now let me try to define "better" :/
20100712 06:33:58< Valkier> Leneovo
20100712 06:34:03< Valkier> Lenovo*
20100712 06:34:18< shadowmaster> I don't care about the brand.
20100712 06:34:25< Valkier> They use good parts.
20100712 06:34:41< Espreon_> Valkier: He needs nVidia...
20100712 06:34:43< Valkier> I don't care about the brand either. I care about fail rates.
20100712 06:34:50< Valkier> Lenovo uses nVidia. :-P
20100712 06:35:24< Espreon_> I'm on a Wii; I can't fuckin' multitask!
20100712 06:37:42< shadowmaster> I care about good graphics performance (both for 2D and 3D), good processor performance under heavy load (compiling, with multiple foreground processes) and good memory (I already have that), proper ventilation to avoid overheating, a good display (not one of those LED-backed shitty LCD displays), at least 3 USB ports, a HDD that resists impact well, a comfortable touchpad and the ability to open some parts without ...
20100712 06:37:48< shadowmaster> ... voiding the warranty
20100712 06:38:14< shadowmaster> this one fails at graphics and ventilation only.
20100712 06:38:29< Espreon_> shadowmaster; children: I'm gonna read some of the Dear Leader's cool shit... so... till I'm done... byez... Blargh... I wish that "Mein Kampfy Chair" were real...
20100712 06:39:08< shadowmaster> also, the ability to destroy some stupid "backup partition" so I can use that space for my own purposes.
20100712 06:39:46< shadowmaster> Espreon_: k
20100712 06:42:24< shadowmaster> "And since we are dealing with a bunch of people throwing around legal terms I will follow this with the standard disclaimers:  The above
20100712 06:42:30< Aethaeryn> too bad Gambit isn't here
20100712 06:42:32< shadowmaster> does not constitute legal advice, nor shall it be construed as permission to dance naked on top of sky-scrapers owned by the management of our future alien overlords.  Do not iron while product is being worn.  Caution coffee mugs may contain coffee, which under some circumstances might be hot.  Long-term side-effects of reading this message upside down while slurping jello through a straw have not been determined.  Ask ...
20100712 06:42:38< Aethaeryn> he should place a million YouTube links for Espreon_ 
20100712 06:42:39< shadowmaster> ... your doctor if Wesnoth is right for you.   Some conditions apply.  All opinions expressed by the author are solely his (if you agree with them) or someone else's(if you want to sue him)."
20100712 06:42:41< Aethaeryn> he missed out on some gems
20100712 06:43:55< shadowmaster> Nice execution of http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope from Darth Fool.
20100712 06:50:53< Aethaeryn> cool.
20100712 06:51:00< Aethaeryn> very clever.
20100712 06:53:32< Valkier> Espreon: My Android phone multitasks better than a Wii.
20100712 06:53:33< Valkier> Sucker.
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20100712 06:56:26< Espreon> shadowmaster: OK, now what?
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20100712 06:59:54< Espreon> Valkier: Well, the Wii is a gaming console... yeahz...
20100712 07:00:50< Espreon> shadowmaster: Heh... Yukiria... "yuki"...
20100712 07:01:14< shadowmaster> huh?
20100712 07:01:32< shadowmaster> hwæt about it?
20100712 07:03:08< Espreon> "Yuki" is "snow" in Nippongo... and Yukiria is teh guardian of ice... yeahz...
20100712 07:03:24< Espreon> *guardian/god/whatever
20100712 07:03:34< shadowmaster> yeah, that's intentional
20100712 07:03:55< Espreon> For realz?
20100712 07:04:15< shadowmaster> yep
20100712 07:04:46< Espreon> æ
20100712 07:05:05< Espreon> shadowmaster: Did it work?
20100712 07:05:09< shadowmaster> yes
20100712 07:05:16< shadowmaster> (ash)
20100712 07:05:24< Espreon> Yay!
20100712 07:06:26< Espreon> shadowmaster: Now hwæt?
20100712 07:06:40< shadowmaster> well, I still have to work more on it.
20100712 07:06:52< shadowmaster> once finished I'll make some kind of public announcement about Project Y.
20100712 07:07:26< shadowmaster> so people stop trying to come up with explanations for stuff in Writers'
20100712 07:07:45< shadowmaster> the hardest part will be convincing esr about its canonicty.
20100712 07:07:47< shadowmaster> canonicity.
20100712 07:08:42< Espreon> shadowmaster: Somehow find a way to wire Horan-Gyakurin into all of this, for I cannot think that well in my current situation... yeahz...
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20100712 07:09:52< esr> shadowmaster: You rang?
20100712 07:10:19< esr> Espreon: I need you to fix simething.
20100712 07:10:24< shadowmaster> no, I only mentioned you in some semi-official discussion.
20100712 07:10:44< Espreon> esr: What do you need me to fix?
20100712 07:10:57< shadowmaster> it's not time for you to know about what we are talking about. Yet.
20100712 07:11:54< esr> Espreon: Run 'make lint' and look at what the spellchecker spits out.  This was clearly caused by your Unicode apostrophe changes.  Please fix it.
20100712 07:12:23< shadowmaster> esr: his laptop is borken.
20100712 07:12:30< shadowmaster> broken.
20100712 07:12:37< esr> Sigh.
20100712 07:12:49< Espreon> esr: It will have to wait till Tuesday, for my laptop needs to be repaired, a new AC adaptor has to be purchased, and I'm stuck on my Wii.
20100712 07:13:41< esr> It's not super urgent., By I like to keep the sanity checks running clean so sourpurious messages won't mask real problems.
20100712 07:14:29< zookeeper> shadowmaster, btw, luke the flaming is being pretty helpful on the forums, maybe he should be made a forum regular
20100712 07:15:06< shadowmaster> I'll look into it
20100712 07:15:14< shadowmaster> zookeeper: ^
20100712 07:15:41< shadowmaster> (just in case someone interpreted it as me checking what's wrong with wmllint...)
20100712 07:15:42< zookeeper> okay
20100712 07:18:53< Espreon> ... and now... CAKE!
20100712 07:24:53< Valkier> It's a lie!
20100712 07:28:11< Espreon> It beeth a lie?
20100712 07:28:27< Valkier> It beef a lie
20100712 07:28:53< Espreon> Thou art a lie...
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20100712 09:02:26-!- Topic for #wesnoth-umc-dev: Shadowmaster's just upgraded his Internets to Web 4.0! Yays! | Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project @ SF.net: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
20100712 09:02:26-!- Topic set by shadowmaster [~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] [Wed Jul  7 05:24:13 2010]
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20100712 09:02:26-!- Irssi: #wesnoth-umc-dev: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 3 voices, 10 normal]
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20100712 09:02:28< Espreon> I don't know which version of Wine I used with Word. I haven't used MS Office in a while.
20100712 09:02:40-!- Channel #wesnoth-umc-dev created Mon Mar 31 16:51:24 2008
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20100712 09:03:54< shadowmaster> turns out I was using an older version of Oxygen KDE because 2.something has not been reviwed yet
20100712 09:04:00< shadowmaster> I upgraded and looks even nicer now.
20100712 09:04:07< Espreon> shadowmaster: Also, my explanation on "CrossOver Office" was directed to timotei.
20100712 09:04:17< shadowmaster> ah
20100712 09:05:29< Espreon> Hmmmm... I wonder if I'll be able to find that MS Office 2003 CD...
20100712 09:06:12< Espreon> I wish that we had a Windows XP reinstallation CD...
20100712 09:07:12< Espreon> ... I butchered the Windows XP installation pretty well when I was still a naïve, little nobody.
20100712 09:07:38< Espreon> shadowmaster: Remember my early posts?
20100712 09:07:44< shadowmaster> no
20100712 09:07:50< shadowmaster> I'm rather sleepy right now
20100712 09:08:12< Espreon> Just take a peek, please. Laugh all you want!
20100712 09:08:46< shadowmaster> I did that some time ago with Turuk. But since my memory is notoriously unreliable..
20100712 09:21:49< Espreon> ... and now I shall leave... Byez...
20100712 09:21:58< timotei> bye Espreon 
20100712 09:22:15< timotei> ok, now to matching wml tags
20100712 09:23:12< timotei> god, so much trouble with the wesnoth iPHONE Port
20100712 09:23:26< shadowmaster> yeah, pretty much.
20100712 09:23:41< shadowmaster> the worst part is that this kind of crap can easily discourage new contributors
20100712 09:23:48< shadowmaster> from contributing
20100712 09:23:51< timotei> yeah
20100712 09:24:15< timotei> but, I didn't get it. there are people that don't want wesnoth in iphone apps (with their stupid rules) right?
20100712 09:25:33< shadowmaster> I don't really understand exactly what's going on and I feel that some people are just complaining because of a Follow The Leader thing.
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20100712 09:26:07< shadowmaster> i.e. the FSF argued over some terms of  the distribution mechanism (the appstore), so lets all do as the FSF and whine at the same time
20100712 09:26:12< shadowmaster> ...which is stupid.
20100712 09:26:33< shadowmaster> especially since GNU Go is intellectual property of the FSF. Wesnoth is NOT!
20100712 09:27:04< shadowmaster> We are free to decide what's best for ourselves. We aren't some branch of the FSF working on Teh GNU Fantasy TBS Game.
20100712 09:27:31< timotei> yeah
20100712 09:27:36< shadowmaster> so the FSF can argue about that stuff, while we make an "exception" that suits our project fine.
20100712 09:27:55< shadowmaster> that's the way it should be. But no, there are some FSF fanboys in the crew, it seems. ;)
20100712 09:30:11< shadowmaster> I never expected this to become a heated discussion so quickly since the origina post was from Rusty, who's also a Linux kernel developer and probably hasn't had any problem with Google's usage of the Linux kernel to build similarly limited platforms in which the user can't directly see the source code.
20100712 09:31:20< shadowmaster> I don't think I can go to a store, buy an Android-based phone and request the system's source code for immediate delivery, canI?
20100712 09:31:26< shadowmaster> *can I
20100712 09:32:03< shadowmaster> and Linux is GPL v2. Wesnoth is GPL v2 or later, so we can interpret the license v2 and forget about v3 if it suits us better for a particular situation.
20100712 09:32:35< timotei> well, kinda
20100712 09:33:38< timotei> "I have learned" or "I have learnt"?
20100712 09:33:44< timotei> I'd choose the first
20100712 09:34:17< shadowmaster> apparently "learnt" is used mostly in the UK
20100712 09:34:45< shadowmaster> "learned" should be good everywhere
20100712 09:35:08< timotei> ok, thanks
20100712 09:36:06< timotei> I want my notebook back
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20100712 22:07:47< shadowmaster> Gambit: it's transparent for me
20100712 22:08:00< Gambit> must be chrome then
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20100712 22:08:04< Gambit> It hsa a white background
20100712 22:08:10< Gambit> It's a house right?
20100712 22:08:16< shadowmaster> yes
20100712 22:08:27< shadowmaster> it's based on the old village tile
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20100712 22:10:35< Gambit> frogatto's has no transparency either
20100712 22:14:15< Gambit> you know after using it a little while
20100712 22:14:20< Gambit> SMF kind of has grown on me
20100712 22:14:29< Gambit> it has some features I really like
20100712 22:14:51< Gambit> (though most of them I believe are theme related)
20100712 22:15:32< shadowmaster> so far I can't stand SMF
20100712 22:15:54< shadowmaster> phpBB is like a woman. I may hate it at times but at the end of the day I love it.
20100712 22:17:59< Gambit> Will frogattos forum have an anti-formatting for normal users policy?
20100712 22:18:07< Gambit> Because the formatting is much easier to get to now :)
20100712 22:18:21< Gambit> (also, TABLES!)
20100712 22:18:28< shadowmaster> what
20100712 22:18:49< Gambit> There's BBcode for tables
20100712 22:19:01< Gambit> Which is awesomesauce.
20100712 22:19:16< Gambit> shadowmaster: Why don't we have BBcode for tables? :(
20100712 22:19:30< Gambit> lol marquee bbcode
20100712 22:19:35< shadowmaster> I could add bbcodes for tables to f.w.o if I wanted.
20100712 22:19:49< Gambit> Well why don't you want to?
20100712 22:20:01< shadowmaster> but nobody needs tables  except some types of retards who don't realize that tables are supposed to be used for semantic purposes.
20100712 22:20:12< shadowmaster> not just presentational purposes.
20100712 22:20:29< Gambit> bah
20100712 22:20:31< shadowmaster> the default SMF style is guilty of using table for layout purposes too.
20100712 22:20:36< shadowmaster> which sucks.
20100712 22:20:38< Gambit> tables are the new frames :o
20100712 22:20:48< Gambit> though divs are the new tables
20100712 22:20:51< Gambit> so...
20100712 22:20:57< Gambit> I dunno
20100712 22:21:13< shadowmaster> there's thid widespread lack of concern for teletext, aural and paged user agents
20100712 22:21:17< shadowmaster> *this
20100712 22:21:42< Gambit> eww it displays edits on posts that haven't even been replied to!!!
20100712 22:21:54< Gambit> I might actually have to be careful of what I post on the first go now.
20100712 22:21:58< Gambit> :\
20100712 22:22:07< Gambit> But I still like it :D
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20100712 23:38:26< Espreon> shadowmaster; children: I have returned...
20100712 23:40:39< shadowmaster> k, but I'm not quite here
20100712 23:41:03< Gambit> Espreon: He's cheering on the inside with a megaphone and a dozen pom poms.
20100712 23:41:04< Espreon> Awww...
20100712 23:42:14< Gambit> Espreon: He was so sad without you. I tried jeb jebbing him, but it didn't work.
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20100712 23:43:09< Espreon> Well, of course it didn't work. I never "jeb"; Eszett = long es + short es.
20100712 23:44:10< shadowmaster> jeß, indeed.
20100712 23:47:40< Espreon> Gambit: Protip: learn to read.
20100712 23:48:06< Gambit> No. I refuse to use your funny alphabet.
20100712 23:48:23< Gambit> (besides; You both knew exactly what I meant.)
20100712 23:48:25< Gambit> So there
20100712 23:50:56< Espreon> fendrin: Gambit just insulted German's alphabet.
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20100712 23:58:34< Espreon> Zerovirus: Now that you came to teh coolest channel ever, add it to your autojoin list/mental autojoin list/whatever.
20100712 23:58:52< Zerovirus> Well the only autojoin one is #wesnoth
20100712 23:58:58< Zerovirus> I haven't really used any other channel at all
20100712 23:59:22< shadowmaster> you could use a real IRC client too
20100712 23:59:43<+CIA-28> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * r13d3e8b39a56 /styles/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Subsilver2, prosilver: add forum feed icons to forum list
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