--- Log opened Fri Jul 16 00:00:08 2010
20100716 00:06:44< Gambit> PetePorty: check your darn twitter already :@
20100716 00:07:31< PetePorty> wth?
20100716 00:07:36< PetePorty> I don't use twitter...
20100716 00:07:53< Gambit> Then who is this? http://twitter.com/PetePorty
20100716 00:08:08< PetePorty> me, I just joined to stalk you.
20100716 00:08:20< shadowmaster> 14:55:54 <e_s-iOS> PetePorty: You use Twitter?
20100716 00:08:20< shadowmaster> 14:56:04 <PetePorty> no, I don't
20100716 00:08:20< shadowmaster> 14:56:15 <PetePorty> I just made one to follow shadowmaster :)
20100716 00:08:30< PetePorty> see?
20100716 00:08:43< elvish_sovereign> HI
20100716 00:08:50< Gambit> PetePorty: Well idc. Use it!
20100716 00:08:57< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: I prefer spearmen
20100716 00:09:14< shadowmaster> except against undead, naturally
20100716 00:09:18< shadowmaster> and trolls.
20100716 00:09:19< Gambit> PetePorty: tell you what. I'll set you up a thing with franbot.
20100716 00:09:37< Gambit> Give me your password and she'll alert you of all tweets you get and let you send them via IRC :D
20100716 00:09:58< PetePorty> Also, shadowmaster, we won.
20100716 00:09:59< shadowmaster> Gambit: that's not polite. Behave
20100716 00:10:07< PetePorty> http://www.neutralidadsi.org/2010/07/13/camara-de-diputados-aprueba-el-proyecto-de-ley-de-neutralidad-en-la-red/
20100716 00:10:35< Gambit> shadowmaster: Well I tried setting it up so I wouldn't need peoples' passwords, but Oauth is really hard to add to an IRC bot
20100716 00:10:52< Gambit> You must have either a web page or a program involved :(
20100716 00:10:58< PetePorty> why are you guys following me?
20100716 00:11:06< Gambit> s/really hard/impossible/
20100716 00:11:24< shadowmaster> PetePorty: I guess that means that this isn't such a hellhole after all.
20100716 00:11:33< shadowmaster> I hope for more awesomeness.
20100716 00:11:37< PetePorty> of course not!
20100716 00:11:39< Gambit> If I had a coldfusion server out on teh interwebz I could get it working.
20100716 00:11:50< PetePorty> we are the first country, shadowmaster!
20100716 00:12:09< Gambit> google cannot translate it :(
20100716 00:12:17< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster: spearmen? where?
20100716 00:12:26< shadowmaster> 18:08:43 <elvish_sovereign> HI
20100716 00:12:33< shadowmaster> shikadibot: HI?
20100716 00:12:33<+shikadibot> HI: Heavy Infantryman
20100716 00:12:39< elvish_sovereign> oh yes
20100716 00:12:41< Gambit> oh there's an "english"
20100716 00:12:46< elvish_sovereign> Hello
20100716 00:12:48< Gambit> wow it takes that whole page to say that little bit?
20100716 00:12:52< shadowmaster> Gambit: basically, we have Network Neutrality.
20100716 00:12:56< Gambit> Spanish is a very inefficient language.
20100716 00:12:57< elvish_sovereign> i like both DF's
20100716 00:13:01< PetePorty> lol
20100716 00:13:05< shadowmaster> Gambit: the English translation there is incomplete and only corresponds to the first paragraph in Spanish.
20100716 00:13:08< shadowmaster> idiot.
20100716 00:13:15< elvish_sovereign> xD
20100716 00:13:20< Gambit> shadowmaster: obviously
20100716 00:13:22 * Gambit rolls eyes
20100716 00:13:52< shadowmaster> I'm Captain Obvious and you don't have the right to usurp my position.
20100716 00:14:03< PetePorty> well, actually, the only important part dis the title and the 'We WON'
20100716 00:15:45< PetePorty> is*
20100716 00:17:34< PetePorty> ok, I added a pic to twitter
20100716 00:23:05< Gambit> I slapped up my blog logo
20100716 00:23:06< Gambit> http://twitter.com/Grickit
20100716 00:25:02< Gambit> PetePorty: lame background on yours is lame
20100716 00:25:13< PetePorty> waIT A BIT
20100716 00:25:20< PetePorty> I'm not done yet
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20100716 00:30:50< PetePorty> Gambit, ok, it is done.
20100716 00:31:08< Gambit> PetePorty: much worse
20100716 00:31:19< PetePorty> no it isn't
20100716 00:31:27< PetePorty> wth?
20100716 00:31:29< Gambit> PetePorty: Your mom looks pretty good in bubble wrap but I just don't think that's appropriate.
20100716 00:31:46< PetePorty>  /ignore Gambit
20100716 00:33:16< PetePorty> ok, let's see... who should I follow...
20100716 00:34:16< PetePorty> suggestions?
20100716 00:34:29< Gambit> ColdFusion
20100716 00:34:32< Gambit> YahtzeeCroshaw
20100716 00:34:35< Gambit> esrtweet
20100716 00:34:42< Gambit> Frogatto
20100716 00:34:48< Gambit> the_monochrome
20100716 00:35:04< Gambit> xkcdsucks
20100716 00:35:19< Gambit> xnotch (<-- minecraft's developer)
20100716 00:35:25< PetePorty> I am already following e_s
20100716 00:35:28< Gambit> CsASInc
20100716 00:35:29< PetePorty> and I hate notch
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20100716 00:35:38< PetePorty> I didn't really like frogatto that much
20100716 00:35:52< PetePorty> and no,  I don't care for any of the others
20100716 00:36:05< Gambit> HEAR THAT?! PETEPORTY HATES KITTENS AND PUPPIES!
20100716 00:36:16< Gambit> he doesn't care for: http://twitter.com/CsASInc
20100716 00:37:11< PetePorty> Central States Automatic Sprinklers
20100716 00:37:18< PetePorty> ?
20100716 00:37:19< Gambit> wrong
20100716 00:37:33< Gambit> http://www.countrysideanimalsanctuary.org/
20100716 00:38:07< Gambit> Though I'm slightly worried you'll find my real state and county from that...
20100716 00:38:21< PetePorty> idc about that, Gambit
20100716 00:38:26< PetePorty> it's just a damn zoo
20100716 00:38:33< PetePorty> zoos are evil
20100716 00:38:34< Gambit> wtf?
20100716 00:38:37< Gambit> It's not a zoo
20100716 00:38:45< PetePorty> kill all zoos
20100716 00:39:14< PetePorty> oh...
20100716 00:39:21< PetePorty> well, anyway, still bad
20100716 00:39:30< PetePorty> bad, bad thing
20100716 00:39:38< PetePorty> animals should be free
20100716 00:39:49< Espreon> What's wrong with zoölogical gardens?
20100716 00:40:03< shadowmaster> Gambit: that's one of your clients' websites?
20100716 00:40:07< shadowmaster> the HTML is invalid.
20100716 00:40:31< shadowmaster> there's no DOCTYPE declaration (some browsers will assume HTML 2.something IIRC)
20100716 00:40:59< PetePorty> come on, even *I* did the doctype thingie
20100716 00:41:08< PetePorty> although I don't get what for...
20100716 00:41:08< shadowmaster> PetePorty: you don't have a website.
20100716 00:41:15< PetePorty> I do
20100716 00:41:19< shadowmaster> what is it?
20100716 00:41:22< PetePorty> it's on my twitter
20100716 00:41:54< shadowmaster> idiot.
20100716 00:42:13< PetePorty> hahahah
20100716 00:42:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: Hmmm yeah I should do that.
20100716 00:42:16< shadowmaster> the website doesn't exist. Your twitter profile background is NSFW.
20100716 00:42:19< shadowmaster> what a mess.
20100716 00:42:29< Gambit> We also have no copyright information yet
20100716 00:42:35< PetePorty> well, I actually do have a useless websiite
20100716 00:42:37< Gambit> because I have no idea what to write :\
20100716 00:42:45< Gambit> The old web designer copyrighted all content to her fucking company
20100716 00:42:45< shadowmaster> of course, I¿'m at home so the NSFW isn't particularly problematic to me, but it's still NOT POLITE from you to do that.
20100716 00:42:58< PetePorty> do not clone our animals
20100716 00:43:08< shadowmaster> Gambit: you know about the W3C validators, btw?
20100716 00:43:08< PetePorty> it is safe for work
20100716 00:43:14< PetePorty> thare's just a girl...
20100716 00:43:34< shadowmaster> PetePorty: that girl is in a NSFW format.
20100716 00:43:41< shadowmaster> pose.
20100716 00:43:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: not until you linked to it yesterday
20100716 00:43:45< PetePorty> why? she has clothes
20100716 00:43:46< shadowmaster> something.
20100716 00:43:53< shadowmaster> Gambit: when did I?
20100716 00:44:10< shadowmaster> PetePorty: "scantily dressed"
20100716 00:44:10< Gambit> you were happy your blog passed again
20100716 00:44:19< shadowmaster> Gambit: ahhh. Yes.
20100716 00:44:30< PetePorty> oh well, peopple should't be on twitter while working.
20100716 00:44:31< Gambit> or something
20100716 00:44:40< Gambit> actually I think ti was when you were upset it wasn't passing
20100716 00:44:41< shadowmaster> PetePorty: twitter is also used by business :|
20100716 00:44:41< Gambit> I dunno
20100716 00:44:47< PetePorty> at least not on mine
20100716 00:44:59< PetePorty> also, only 3 people are following me...
20100716 00:45:16< PetePorty> and the only one with a job is Gambit
20100716 00:45:17< Gambit> and none of us want to see your mom's rear end
20100716 00:45:27< Gambit> Actually I'm laid off for over a year :\
20100716 00:45:28< shadowmaster> Gambit: if you are going to pursue a web design related career, you should definitely learn about validating HTML and CSS. Also about the difference between "valid" and "semantically correct"
20100716 00:45:29< PetePorty> ok, ignored
20100716 00:45:35-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+o shadowmaster] by ChanServ
20100716 00:45:35< Gambit> My website thing is free
20100716 00:45:39< Gambit> It's a school project.
20100716 00:45:49< Gambit> For a charity
20100716 00:45:50-!- PetePorty was kicked from #wesnoth-umc-dev by shadowmaster [no /ignore announcing here]
20100716 00:46:01-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-o shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
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20100716 00:46:15< PetePorty> u kicking me and not him?
20100716 00:46:17< Gambit> Thier old designer was charing $50 an hour
20100716 00:46:22< Gambit> it took her 2 hours to crop a photo
20100716 00:46:28< Gambit> and she was copyrighting all their stuff to her buisness
20100716 00:46:29< shadowmaster> the semantics of HTML are very important for stuff such as accessibility
20100716 00:46:40< Gambit> and she couldn't do any dynamic content
20100716 00:46:45< Gambit> because she was lame and used frontpage
20100716 00:46:46< Gambit> and was lame
20100716 00:46:53< Gambit> and charged $100 to crop a photo
20100716 00:46:54< Gambit> and was lame
20100716 00:47:11< Gambit> and used marquees
20100716 00:47:15< Gambit> bye for now
20100716 00:47:16< shadowmaster> this is not just for the visually impaired, but also for teletext terminals, paged devices (i.e. printers), small mobile devices, etc.
20100716 00:47:22< shadowmaster> k
20100716 00:53:35<+CIA-28> kalari: espreon * r9c3d830b5797 /releases.php: Use logical quotation marks in the releases page.
20100716 00:54:36< PetePorty> ok, this can't be a lie: http://www.turbocashgenerator.com/?hop=bertuseng
20100716 00:54:46< PetePorty> who would like about something like that?
20100716 00:58:42< shadowmaster> considering it doesn't like us navigating away from the page, I'd say there's malware or phishing involved.
20100716 00:59:40< PetePorty> dude... did you even read it?
20100716 00:59:50< shadowmaster> 18:58:42 <shadowmaster> considering it doesn't like us navigating away from the page,
20100716 00:59:55< shadowmaster> guess what.
20100716 01:00:07< PetePorty> make $3000 a day, with twitter...
20100716 01:00:44 * Espreon LOLs
20100716 01:00:56< shadowmaster> you are one of those poor souls who keep those abusive Internet security companies (those who bring you McAffee's suite, Norton Antivirus, etc.) on business.
20100716 01:01:08< shadowmaster> go away. I don't want ot have anything to do with you.
20100716 01:01:11< shadowmaster> *to
20100716 01:01:47< shadowmaster> *in
20100716 01:01:47< PetePorty> ...
20100716 01:01:56< shadowmaster> no, seriously.
20100716 01:02:07< shadowmaster> you lose at the Internet.
20100716 01:02:15< PetePorty> I have McAffee...
20100716 01:02:19< Espreon> Oh wow...
20100716 01:02:23< PetePorty> It came with windows...
20100716 01:02:27< shadowmaster> okay, that's all I need to know.
20100716 01:02:35< Espreon> Over nine thousand e-points for PetePorty...
20100716 01:02:36 * PetePorty cries
20100716 01:02:45< shadowmaster> (btw, Microsoft doesn't include McAffee stuff in their products. Did you mean your OEM?)
20100716 01:02:54< PetePorty> huh?
20100716 01:03:02< PetePorty> what's oem?
20100716 01:03:03< shadowmaster> shikadibot: OEM?
20100716 01:03:03<+shikadibot> OEM: original equipment manufacturer
20100716 01:03:16< shadowmaster> those morons who make prebuilt computers for you.
20100716 01:03:26< Espreon> Sadly for PetePorty, noöne knows what e-points are for or if they can be redeemed at all.
20100716 01:03:34< PetePorty> no, I sent to build
20100716 01:03:38< PetePorty> on pc factory
20100716 01:03:44< Espreon> .... only Jameth knows...
20100716 01:03:53< shadowmaster> then PC Factory is your OEM.
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20100716 01:04:07< shadowmaster> (yes, I know about PC Factory. I bought my extra 2 GB of RAM there)
20100716 01:04:31< shadowmaster> :D
20100716 01:04:50< PetePorty> it came with intel thingy...
20100716 01:04:56< PetePorty> it came with intel thingy...i think....
20100716 01:05:02< shadowmaster> Intel what?
20100716 01:05:12< shadowmaster> Intel makes software, CPUs, graphics controllers, ...
20100716 01:05:29< PetePorty> I have no idea...
20100716 01:05:40< shadowmaster> ...
20100716 01:06:10< PetePorty> umm.... procesador?
20100716 01:06:16< PetePorty> that word comes to my mind...
20100716 01:06:23< shadowmaster> CPU = processor = procesador
20100716 01:06:35< Espreon> Jeß jeß...
20100716 01:06:35< shadowmaster> Central Processing Unit.
20100716 01:06:35< PetePorty> ok that
20100716 01:06:47< shadowmaster> compare GPU: Graphics Processing Unit (main component of a graphics controller)
20100716 01:06:58< shadowmaster> that's way tangential to the matter at hand anyway.
20100716 01:07:35< shadowmaster> btw, the computer chassis is NOT the CPU.
20100716 01:07:41< PetePorty> mc affee and norton came with it...
20100716 01:07:48< shadowmaster> many people around the world make that mistake
20100716 01:08:22< PetePorty> dude, I have friends who think the screen is the cpu...
20100716 01:08:56< shadowmaster> then do a good deed.
20100716 01:08:58< shadowmaster> tell them the truth.
20100716 01:09:09< shadowmaster> spread the truth, children!
20100716 01:09:21< PetePorty> nah
20100716 01:09:25< PetePorty> what for?
20100716 01:09:25< shadowmaster> THE DISPLAY SCREEN IS NOT THE CPU (although it may be on front of it in some cases)
20100716 01:10:07< PetePorty> dude, I am the guy who knows the most about computers in my school... in other words, all the rest know nothing...
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20100716 01:10:34< PetePorty> I spent a year trying to explain the difference between a browser and a search engine
20100716 01:10:34< shadowmaster> you wanna be famous?
20100716 01:10:37< shadowmaster> spread the truth.
20100716 01:10:39< PetePorty> I gave up.
20100716 01:10:49< shadowmaster> also...
20100716 01:11:00< shadowmaster> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100716 01:11:04< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComputerEqualsMonitor
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20100716 01:11:20< PetePorty> :/
20100716 01:12:11< shadowmaster> bonus points for linking to this:
20100716 01:12:12< shadowmaster> http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_monitors.shtml
20100716 01:13:47< PetePorty> lol
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20100716 01:23:03< Espreon> Hmmmmm... "Through the Gates" sounds awesome.
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20100716 01:31:53< PetePorty> GAMBIT! you killed a kitty in the sewer!
20100716 01:33:58< PetePorty> Luchito : can you tell me the name of 3 great kings who have brought happiness
20100716 01:33:58< PetePorty> and peace into people's lives?
20100716 01:33:58< PetePorty> ...And Luchito says:
20100716 01:33:58< PetePorty> drin-king, smo-king and fuc-king!!
20100716 01:34:12< PetePorty> heh.... funny....
20100716 01:34:29< shadowmaster> I agree with the latter.
20100716 01:34:31< shadowmaster> not so much with the other 2.
20100716 01:34:47< Espreon> ...
20100716 01:35:18< PetePorty> nah, smoking is for idiots...
20100716 01:35:26< PetePorty> well, depends on what you smoke
20100716 01:35:43< PetePorty> and drinking.... meh, I don't like it, but people say it's good...
20100716 01:37:29< shadowmaster> Gambit: we could have this kind of threads if Users' gets too noisy in the future
20100716 01:37:32< shadowmaster> http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=10385
20100716 01:37:52< shadowmaster> some months ago we had quite a lot of "thank you" threads in Users' but that trend seems to be over atm
20100716 01:44:39< PetePorty> Also, guys, I'm happy
20100716 01:44:51< PetePorty> I made it into the senior basketball team
20100716 01:45:00< PetePorty> and that is sooooo cool
20100716 01:46:03< Valkier> I would just like to add herp to the derp.
20100716 01:46:47 * Espreon chuckles
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20100716 02:05:35< PetePorty> Oh, deat god, GIMP is slow....
20100716 02:05:41< PetePorty> well, dinner time, c ya laterz
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20100716 02:27:08< Gambit> doh explorer.exe crash
20100716 02:27:16< Gambit> wow it won't restart
20100716 02:27:17< Gambit> wtf
20100716 02:27:26< shadowmaster> ctrl-alt-del
20100716 02:27:28< shadowmaster> task manager
20100716 02:27:30< shadowmaster> first menu, run
20100716 02:27:43< shadowmaster> (or execute, or something to that efect)
20100716 02:27:50< Gambit> shadowmaster: no fake
20100716 02:28:05< Gambit> Sorry. I know you're tryign to help.
20100716 02:28:11< Gambit> But at least on windows; I'm not a total buffoon
20100716 02:28:33< Gambit> Turns out the crashed one was still running and needed killed first.
20100716 02:28:40-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+o shadowmaster] by ChanServ
20100716 02:29:01-!- shadowmaster changed the topic of #wesnoth-umc-dev to: Wesnoth-UMC-Dev Project discussion and support channel | http://wesnoth-umc-dev.ai0867.net | Staff: AI0867, Espreon, shadowmaster | Project @ SF.net: http://tinyurl.com/umcdev | IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org, http://irclogs.ai0867.net
20100716 02:29:08-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-o shadowmaster] by shadowmaster
20100716 02:30:05< PetePorty> same happened to me with wesnoth 0.1
20100716 02:30:30< PetePorty> also, I couldn't resize the damn window...
20100716 02:30:37< PetePorty> oh well, bye guys
20100716 02:30:45< PetePorty> c ya after HOuse MD
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20100716 02:31:49< Gambit> where the heck does he watch house MD that they're over two months behind?
20100716 02:32:01< shadowmaster> this is Chile.
20100716 02:32:16< Gambit> But he's a pirate.
20100716 02:32:16< shadowmaster> and that's probably dubbed or something.
20100716 02:32:26< Gambit> Who speaks english.
20100716 02:32:43< shadowmaster> First rule of the Internet pirate:
20100716 02:32:49< Gambit> 25 minutes to copy these mp3s :\
20100716 02:32:53< shadowmaster> you don't talk about the secret Pirate council.
20100716 02:33:01< shadowmaster> Second rule of the Internet pirate:
20100716 02:33:08< Gambit> apparently the 4 ports on the front of the tower are usb 1.0
20100716 02:33:21< shadowmaster> <insert piratey speak promoting the use of piratey speak here>
20100716 02:33:33< shadowmaster> Third rule of the Internet pirate:
20100716 02:34:00< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle94ctt9bsmafc
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20100716 02:36:25< Gambit_> meh in the wire shuffle I knocked the ethernet cable loose
20100716 02:36:34< Gambit_> why the hell would they package usb with a brand new computer?
20100716 02:36:45< Gambit_> anyway now both the external hdd and mp3 player have usb 2.0
20100716 02:36:58< Gambit_> and before when I said "package usb" I of course meant usb 1
20100716 02:37:24< Gambit_> let the out of context quoting beging
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20100716 02:54:58< Espreon> Heh... "strifewain".
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20100716 03:02:01< Aethaeryn> this time next week, I'll be done with my summer math class.
20100716 03:02:15< shadowmaster> k
20100716 03:02:27< Espreon> Yayz...
20100716 03:03:02< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Will you then sprite moar strifewains?
20100716 03:04:10< Aethaeryn> ?
20100716 03:04:24< Espreon> Think about it: strife + wain (wagon).
20100716 03:04:44< Aethaeryn> I've never done vehicles, and probably won't do it.
20100716 03:04:48< Aethaeryn> Different skill than humans.
20100716 03:04:51< Espreon> What moves and causes strife?
20100716 03:05:09< Espreon> Well, the answer was "tank", and you did sprite a tank.
20100716 03:05:25< Aethaeryn> oh, right
20100716 03:05:27< Aethaeryn> technically
20100716 03:05:44< Aethaeryn> I have about three unpublished orcs that I'll revise by stealing heads from tsi
20100716 03:06:12< Aethaeryn> so I'll probably finish the infantry of humans/orcs, and then move onto dwarves... and then elves if that guy doesn't return.
20100716 03:06:20< Aethaeryn> *then* the vehicles. :S
20100716 03:06:29< Espreon> Another thing for my todo list: smite "caterpillar".
20100716 03:07:01< Aethaeryn> ooooh, in a little more than 3 weeks I'll be half way through my philosophy major
20100716 03:07:39< Espreon> "Leafworm"/"leafwyrm" is much better... than "caterpillar".
20100716 03:07:39< Aethaeryn> Essentially, I'll have done the entire major in January 2010, Spring 2010, Summer 2010, Fall 2010, January 2011, and Spring 2011.
20100716 03:07:46< Aethaeryn> Might seem like a lot, but remember, that's a year and a month.
20100716 03:07:50< Aethaeryn> From when I declared it.
20100716 03:08:01< Aethaeryn> Though technically I had two classes from gen ed before I declared philosophy as my major.
20100716 03:08:52< Aethaeryn> After Spring 2011, I'll probably only take about 2 classes that aren't computer science, physics, or mathematics/statistics.
20100716 03:11:03< Aethaeryn> I'll most likely finish 19 credits short of a mathematics degree and 27 credits short of a physics degree... with a physics minor, but not a math minor.
20100716 03:18:13< Aethaeryn> hmmm
20100716 03:19:11< Aethaeryn> I think, according to my calculations, I can get masters degrees in comp sci, applied mathematics, and applied physics in the range of 4-5 years.
20100716 03:19:20< Aethaeryn> Probably in that order, since physics would be the hardest to get into.
20100716 03:19:56< Aethaeryn> So, theoretically, if I had unlimited financial resources, I could be more educated than people who only have limited financial resources.
20100716 03:19:59< Aethaeryn> Damn, the rich get to have all the fun.
20100716 03:20:43< Aethaeryn> Espreon: what would you do if you won the lottery (or if a giant pot of gold worth millions randomly fell on the ground in front of you, approximately as probable)?
20100716 03:20:46< Espreon> ... and in other news, "wagon" needs to die in favor of "wain".
20100716 03:20:51< Espreon> Hmmmmm...
20100716 03:20:56< Espreon> Well...
20100716 03:20:57 * shadowmaster slaps Espreon 
20100716 03:21:11< shadowmaster> get ahold of yourself, man!
20100716 03:21:36< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Personally, I'd get masters degrees in comp sci, mathematics, and physics, and then doctorates in comp sci and physics, and then spend the rest of my life trolling n00bz on forumz for being irrational.
20100716 03:21:39< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wagon#Etymology ... http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wain#Etymology ... Blargh.
20100716 03:21:40< Aethaeryn> Espreon: your turn
20100716 03:21:47< Espreon> shadowmaster: Look at teh links.
20100716 03:21:53< shadowmaster> Espreon: I DON'T CARE.
20100716 03:21:58< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Ask me in three days.
20100716 03:22:01< Aethaeryn> Espreon: oh, i'd probably also edit Wikipedia.
20100716 03:22:11< Espreon> shadowmaster: Well, then you are a monster.
20100716 03:22:42< Gambit> It's dissappointing that the only musicians I give a rat's hat about are either dead or too old for twitter.
20100716 03:22:57< Aethaeryn> Espreon: So yes, as your monetary supply approached infinity, what would you do?
20100716 03:22:59< Espreon> People actually listen to music?
20100716 03:23:11< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Music is a useful form of temporary mind-alteration.
20100716 03:23:15< Gambit> But all the modern day pricks (disney stars, rappers, etc) are happy to announce every time they wipe their arse over it.
20100716 03:23:18< shadowmaster> Espreon: jeß, I am!
20100716 03:23:26< Espreon> Awwww!
20100716 03:23:26< shadowmaster> MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
20100716 03:23:34< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Listen to fast-paced, odd-time-signature instrumental-heavy music and it will get you doing your homework.
20100716 03:23:51< Gambit> ^That is actually excellent advice.
20100716 03:23:53< Aethaeryn> Some songs under the prog rock genre are excellent for this.
20100716 03:24:01< Gambit> Especially math.
20100716 03:24:06< Aethaeryn> Amen.
20100716 03:24:14< Gambit> After about 10 minutes I find myself solving equations to a beat...
20100716 03:24:15< Aethaeryn> Famous for 2-3 minute instrumentals before they even get to damn lyrics, if at all. :-P
20100716 03:24:21< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Anyway, first, I'd purchase every dictionary-producing company...
20100716 03:24:49< Aethaeryn> Gambit: You really need more Kansas. Some of their songs are brilliant for this purpose.
20100716 03:25:03< Aethaeryn> That's actually why I started liking them. Listened to some of their songs so often for homework I got used to their style.
20100716 03:25:07< Gambit> Aethaeryn: You need more skynyrd. Great for every occasion.
20100716 03:25:13-!- un214 [~quassel@adsl-75-45-10-41.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev
20100716 03:25:14< Espreon> Aethaeryn: ... then I'd start to kill words such as "zero", "second", and "caterpillar"
20100716 03:25:18< Gambit> And Our Lady Peace
20100716 03:25:24< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Actually, I have every pre-crash Skynyrd album.
20100716 03:25:30< Gambit> Espreon: Why caterpillar?
20100716 03:25:48< Espreon> Why do you think?
20100716 03:25:49< Aethaeryn> Gambit: So try again, pls.
20100716 03:25:51< Gambit> And please don't reply "Why not?"
20100716 03:25:57< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Our Lady Peace
20100716 03:26:02< Espreon> Everyone knows that "leafworm"/"leafwyrm" is better.
20100716 03:26:10< Gambit> ...
20100716 03:26:20< Aethaeryn> k
20100716 03:26:22< Espreon> Besides, "caterpillar" is Frenchie...
20100716 03:26:27< Gambit> But it's the name of an animal...
20100716 03:26:40< Gambit> Espreon: leave my proper nouns alone!
20100716 03:26:44< Espreon> "Leafworm"/"leafwyrm" is the native term.
20100716 03:26:50< Espreon> So, shut up.
20100716 03:26:57< Aethaeryn> Gambit: so... to change the subject...
20100716 03:26:59< shadowmaster> I feel tempted to quiet Espreon for some reason ;)
20100716 03:27:01< Gambit> oh speaking of our lady peace...
20100716 03:27:08< Gambit> my mp3 player must be reading this channel
20100716 03:27:12< Espreon> Speaking of Frenchie Neo-Latin...
20100716 03:27:19< Gambit> my brand new mp3 player :D
20100716 03:27:28< Espreon> un214: You are aware that your campaign has been translated into Frenchie Neo-Latin, yes?
20100716 03:27:29< Aethaeryn> Gambit: If you are not in the habbit to listening to entire albums at once, then you haven't listened to enough prog rock.
20100716 03:27:39< un214> no
20100716 03:27:40< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Also, mp3 players? Who needs separate ones anymore?
20100716 03:27:44< Aethaeryn> Get a damned smartphone.
20100716 03:27:46< Aethaeryn> Convergence and all.
20100716 03:27:52< Gambit> I don't need a phone
20100716 03:27:54< Aethaeryn> Just like there's no need for a GPS now thanks to Android.
20100716 03:28:08< shadowmaster> Gambit: how the hell do you call 911 then?
20100716 03:28:24< shadowmaster> if you aren't near a public phone
20100716 03:28:26< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Honestly, if I didn't talk to my mom, I wouldn't need a phone either. Just about every other communication is through text messaging, which could easily be replaced by IM since most modern phones have IM functionality.
20100716 03:28:34< Gambit> s/phone/fancy gizmomabob that does a ton of shit I don't need/
20100716 03:28:37< Gambit> I have a trac phone.
20100716 03:28:39< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: Twitter! :p
20100716 03:28:41< Gambit> s/phone/fone/
20100716 03:28:43< Aethaeryn> Gambit: If you think a smartphone is for phonecalls, you have the purposes wrong.
20100716 03:28:51< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Sorry, I don't want my life details made public.
20100716 03:29:00< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I don't need its other purposes!
20100716 03:29:00< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: I'm not doing that!
20100716 03:29:03< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Eventually, I'm going to exit the education system...
20100716 03:29:13< Aethaeryn> and then people might start looking at what I've been doing.
20100716 03:29:14< Aethaeryn> :o
20100716 03:29:16< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Yeah what shadowmaster said
20100716 03:29:19< shadowmaster> you can use twitter responsibly.
20100716 03:29:23< Aethaeryn> Gambit: You don't need any electronics at all.
20100716 03:29:29< Aethaeryn> Gambit: If you think you need a smartphone, you're mistaken.
20100716 03:29:31< Espreon> un214: http://svn.berlios.de/viewvc/wescamp-i18n/branches/1.8/Story_of_Wose/Story_of_Wose/translations/ — Blargh...
20100716 03:29:33< shadowmaster> it's just like alcohol.
20100716 03:29:33< Gambit> We're using it for our silly one line thoughts.
20100716 03:29:36< Aethaeryn> Gambit: You *want* one because they're fucking awesome.
20100716 03:29:39< Aethaeryn> Especially Android.
20100716 03:29:41< shadowmaster> hm, wrong analogy.
20100716 03:30:00< Gambit> I just need something to play music whilst I'm bike riding...
20100716 03:30:01< Aethaeryn> Gambit, shadowmaster: If you think that I *ever* have one line thoughts, you guys need to lurk moar
20100716 03:30:10< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: then start a blog.
20100716 03:30:19< Aethaeryn> My facebook status updates are frequently continued in the first reply to them.
20100716 03:30:20< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I've seen you make plenty of one line observations.
20100716 03:30:21< shadowmaster> I'd read your opinions on stuff and debate with you over every tiny point.
20100716 03:30:27< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I tend to use Buzz though.
20100716 03:30:27< Espreon> Meh, you children and your blogs.
20100716 03:30:44< Gambit> Aethaeryn: and then continue to elaborate until the point that people want to slap you. :)
20100716 03:30:44< Aethaeryn> Buzz is like Twitter with no limits, so I have made a few-paragraph posts.
20100716 03:30:54 * shadowmaster slaps Espreon with a fish.
20100716 03:30:58< Gambit> what is this buzz thing
20100716 03:31:02< Gambit> hmmm
20100716 03:31:06< Espreon> Some silly Google product.
20100716 03:31:07< Gambit> OMG ITS THE GOOGLE!
20100716 03:31:09< shadowmaster> it's a buzz-word, Gambit.
20100716 03:31:11< Gambit> shadowmaster: WE HAVE THE WRONG THING
20100716 03:31:13< Gambit> RED ALERT
20100716 03:31:15< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Actually, I'm probably just going to have a creative-commons licensed ebook (also on a website) on deep philosophical issues.
20100716 03:31:23< Gambit> shadowmaster: WE GOT THE WRONG THING MAN!
20100716 03:31:26< shadowmaster> get it? buzz-word!
20100716 03:31:31< un214> ok, now how do I pull it for distrib?
20100716 03:31:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: this is no laughing matter
20100716 03:31:32< Espreon> shadowmaster: Remind me why I hang out with you people again?
20100716 03:31:34< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I've already formulated rather advanced observations on philosophy of science and mathematics, as well as epistemology.
20100716 03:31:35< Gambit> google has a thing
20100716 03:31:38< Gambit> and we got its competitor
20100716 03:31:44< shadowmaster> Gambit: ah, sorry. I already like Twitter.
20100716 03:31:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: no we have to switch nao
20100716 03:31:55< Espreon> ............
20100716 03:31:56< Gambit> right this instant
20100716 03:31:59< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: One of the reasons I am going to be doing so much in mathematics and physics is because of my extremely technical philosophical writings I intend to do.
20100716 03:32:22 * shadowmaster watches Aethaeryn go into text-wall mode.
20100716 03:32:24< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'll give it a spin and see how it works
20100716 03:32:25< Aethaeryn> There's no better way to be extremely technical than to write books in physics and mathematics that require masters degrees in both to understand.
20100716 03:32:32< shadowmaster> Gambit: no u
20100716 03:32:34< Gambit> oh I need gmail...
20100716 03:32:34< Espreon> un214: Jeß.
20100716 03:32:35< Gambit> hmmm
20100716 03:32:40< Gambit> I already have two gmails
20100716 03:32:43< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: And yes, give me a few cups of coffee and I can in fact go into text-wall mode.
20100716 03:32:45< Espreon> un214: Oh....
20100716 03:32:46< Gambit> but they're not linked to my current main google account
20100716 03:32:48< Espreon> Um...
20100716 03:32:50< Espreon> Hold on...
20100716 03:32:58< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: aw. But for that I'd need to go to the kitchen.
20100716 03:33:11< shadowmaster> and it's too cold outside of my warm, warm bed.
20100716 03:33:16< Aethaeryn> k
20100716 03:33:32< Aethaeryn> well, stay tuned in the next 3-10 years.
20100716 03:33:42< Gambit> it's retarded that google offers no way to combine a google account with an existing gmail account
20100716 03:33:55< Aethaeryn> Gambit: isn't a google account a gmail account?
20100716 03:33:58< Aethaeryn> Gambit: now you have 3, congrats
20100716 03:34:01< Espreon> un214: svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/wescamp-i18n/branches/1.8/Story_of_Wose/translations/
20100716 03:34:08< Gambit> Aethaeryn: yeah but the username I want is already taken... by me
20100716 03:34:19< shadowmaster> Gambit: uh...it uses the gmail account as a google account AFAICT.
20100716 03:34:42< Espreon> shadowmaster: No, please remind me.
20100716 03:34:47< Gambit> shadowmaster: well I have a google account for blogger, analytics, youtube etc
20100716 03:34:54< Gambit> and then I have two gmail accounts with nothing else
20100716 03:34:57< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you can use your gmail account as your google account
20100716 03:35:04< Aethaeryn> as one of them
20100716 03:35:10< Gambit> Aethaeryn: but then I have to keep switching logins
20100716 03:35:11< shadowmaster> I can even use my gmail account to get recaptcha keys
20100716 03:35:12< Aethaeryn> you don't need to link all of your stuff together
20100716 03:35:12< Gambit> between services
20100716 03:35:19< Aethaeryn> and damn, I've had too much coffee
20100716 03:35:25< Gambit> Aethaeryn: all google's services use the same cookies
20100716 03:35:27< Aethaeryn> I must be typing close to 110-130 WPM right now
20100716 03:35:28< Aethaeryn> very fast
20100716 03:35:31< Gambit> So I'd rather have it all linked.
20100716 03:35:55< un214> huh what all that did is make a .svn directory
20100716 03:36:10< shadowmaster> also, re Twitter vs. Buzz, AFAIK Twitter was there first.
20100716 03:36:12< shadowmaster> so...
20100716 03:36:27< shadowmaster> :)
20100716 03:36:53< shadowmaster> besides, my client and blog plugin only work with Twitter and Identi.ca
20100716 03:37:10< shadowmaster> and I already got used to this thing. I like it
20100716 03:37:29< Espreon> un214: No "fr" directory?
20100716 03:37:36< un214> nope
20100716 03:37:40< shadowmaster> in the same vein, I'd use SF.net rather than Google Code for my projects.
20100716 03:38:09< shadowmaster> that is, if they are going to be hosted with a SVN repository and/or a file release system
20100716 03:38:25< Espreon> un214: No, wait... svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/wescamp-i18n/branches/1.8/Story_of_Wose/Story_of_Wose/translations/
20100716 03:38:35< shadowmaster> (I tried Google Code for a while. I didn't like it)
20100716 03:39:13< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: also re DOS vs. Linux, DOS was there first.
20100716 03:39:19< shadowmaster> (also, while using my gmail account as account name on Code is pretty handy, my account name is embarassing already so I prefer to not appear in project activity listed there)
20100716 03:39:24< Aethaeryn> Logical fallacy. Being there first is irrelevant as to current quality.
20100716 03:39:24< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: yeah, but it sucks.
20100716 03:39:30< Aethaeryn> Exactly.
20100716 03:39:39< shadowmaster> that's a different matter.
20100716 03:39:49< shadowmaster> DOS is a completely different operating system and it doesn't fit my needs.
20100716 03:39:53 * Espreon wonders why shadowmaster isn't reminding him...
20100716 03:39:55< Aethaeryn> Why not?
20100716 03:39:57< shadowmaster> You'd really need to compare...Linux against Linux.
20100716 03:40:04< Aethaeryn> C:\> _
20100716 03:40:11< shadowmaster> since Linux spawned its own sort of Unixish operating systems
20100716 03:40:21< shadowmaster> Unix != DOS, you fool.
20100716 03:40:28< Gambit> hmmm you can delete and transfer gmail accounts
20100716 03:40:31< Aethaeryn> or
20100716 03:40:41< shadowmaster> in that matter, you could argue that I should go with Slackware instead of Debian.
20100716 03:40:42< Aethaeryn> [root@localhost ~]#
20100716 03:40:46< shadowmaster> but I like Debian already
20100716 03:41:07< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: which would you rather have? C:\>_ or [root@localhost ~]# 
20100716 03:41:09< shadowmaster> it's the same argument with Twitter: I like what I'm using already.
20100716 03:41:18< shadowmaster> same goes for Firefox vs. Google Chrome.
20100716 03:41:26< shadowmaster> or KDE vs. insert desktop environment here.
20100716 03:41:38< un214> huh what broke my source tree or something
20100716 03:41:40< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: didn't answer my question?
20100716 03:41:49< shadowmaster> or Audacious vs. AmaroK
20100716 03:42:06< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: sorry, I was in Aethaeryn-mode :p
20100716 03:42:13< shadowmaster> I prefer this:
20100716 03:42:25< Espreon> un214: Uh... putting an svn checkout in another isn't such a good idea.
20100716 03:42:40< un214> figures
20100716 03:43:03< un214> so what's the recommended way to work with these?
20100716 03:43:59< shadowmaster> bluecore:~#
20100716 03:44:19< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: still root, right?
20100716 03:44:19< shadowmaster> (took me a while to figure out the IRC color seq.)
20100716 03:44:31< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: yup. Hence the #
20100716 03:44:32< Espreon> un214: Keep an svn checkout, make an export of that checkout whenever you wish to update your translatons, and then copy the appropriate directories to the proper location.
20100716 03:44:47< shadowmaster> in non-Red Hat based systems, the prompt for root is # instead of $ (normal users)
20100716 03:44:48< Aethaeryn> because we all know that C:\>, A:\>, etc., all are equivalent to root
20100716 03:44:59< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: same here
20100716 03:45:08< shadowmaster> DOS isn't a multiuser operating system
20100716 03:45:12< Aethaeryn> exactly
20100716 03:45:20< shadowmaster> it isn't even a multiprocess operating system.
20100716 03:45:21< Aethaeryn> which is why you'd need the equivalent in root
20100716 03:45:27< Aethaeryn> not as a user
20100716 03:45:31< shadowmaster> (TSRs a re a different thing=))
20100716 03:45:36< Aethaeryn> since a regular user is *not* equivalent to C:\>
20100716 03:45:40< Aethaeryn> since you can't fuck up your system as much
20100716 03:45:42< shadowmaster> in other words, DOS isn't Unix, YOU CANNOT COMPARE THEM!
20100716 03:46:00< Aethaeryn> well, DOS is 16-bit
20100716 03:46:10< Aethaeryn> Unix was always 32-bit, that's why it was chosen for GNU
20100716 03:46:17< shadowmaster> and runs in real mode
20100716 03:46:21< shadowmaster> whereas Unix is a protected mode OS
20100716 03:46:29< shadowmaster> DOS doesn't have paging.
20100716 03:46:33< Aethaeryn> anyway, *nix is a million times technically superior to Windows.
20100716 03:46:43< shadowmaster> DOS doesn't have memory segmentation.
20100716 03:46:44< Aethaeryn> There are only three major operating systems today that are not based on UNIX or Linux.
20100716 03:46:49< shadowmaster> DOS doesn't have threads.
20100716 03:46:55< shadowmaster> DOS doesn't have sockets.
20100716 03:46:59< shadowmaster> DOS doesn't have named pipes.
20100716 03:47:01< Aethaeryn> Windows, Windows Mobile/Phone, and Blackberry OS.]
20100716 03:47:13< Aethaeryn> Technically Symbian also counts, but it's being replaced by the successor to Moblin.
20100716 03:47:14< shadowmaster> DOS doesn't have symbolic links.
20100716 03:47:18< Aethaeryn> So at least Nokia is forward thinking.
20100716 03:47:28< shadowmaster> DOS doesn't have hard links (Windows NT can use them with NTFS since 2000)
20100716 03:47:29< Espreon> ... and symbolic links are awesome...
20100716 03:47:37< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: So yes, three major commercial operating systems *in the whole damn world*
20100716 03:48:00< shadowmaster> DOS doesn't have execution protection (modern Unixish kernels do)
20100716 03:48:04< Aethaeryn> and the way Blackberry is squandering its numerical smartphone lead among business users, it'll only go down
20100716 03:48:04< shadowmaster> (a.k.a. NX)
20100716 03:48:30< shadowmaster> DOS doesn't have Symmetric Multiprocessing (SMP) support.
20100716 03:48:36< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: can you think of any others than the ones I listed? again, technically inferior OSes
20100716 03:48:52< shadowmaster> DOS doesn't have ACPI support (there was some primitive APM 1.0 support back in the day IIRC)
20100716 03:49:03< Aethaeryn> odds are Blackberry OS will be rewritten as a Linux- or UNIX-based OS eventually, if RIM doesn't go under first.
20100716 03:49:18< Aethaeryn> Since both Palm and Nokia switched their similar-to-Blackberry-style-Java-OSes
20100716 03:49:27< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: actually, you'd be surprised to look at how much Unix concepts were used in Windows NT.
20100716 03:49:30< shadowmaster> many.
20100716 03:49:38< Aethaeryn> yeah, but not all.
20100716 03:49:46< Aethaeryn> Microsoft needs to rewrite its OS core from scratch.
20100716 03:49:58< shadowmaster> that's what they did.
20100716 03:50:00< Aethaeryn> It's 10-20 years behind EVERY OTHER SIGNIFICANT OS IN THE WORLD.
20100716 03:50:05< shadowmaster> the NT architecture is beautiful, but the user mode stuff sucks.
20100716 03:50:09< Gambit> shadowmaster: lol: http://www.frogatto.com/forum/index.php?topic=19.0;topicseen
20100716 03:50:14< Aethaeryn> NT is a compromise.
20100716 03:50:19< Aethaeryn> Compromises always suck.
20100716 03:50:24< Gambit> -1 for not reading the instructions printed right on the screen
20100716 03:51:10< un214> I just copy the folders over right?
20100716 03:51:15< un214> Do I check them in?
20100716 03:51:34< Espreon> Yeah.
20100716 03:51:57< shadowmaster> I actually had to give a dissertation on NT's architecture once -.-'
20100716 03:52:23< Aethaeryn> :/
20100716 03:52:32< shadowmaster> there are some beautiful ideas in it - such as making the graphics station part of the kernel
20100716 03:52:41< Aethaeryn> Simply put, Linux just scales better.
20100716 03:52:44< shadowmaster> those ideas are ONLY RECENTLY being implemented in Linux
20100716 03:52:46< shadowmaster> (KMS)
20100716 03:53:06< Aethaeryn> Both the tiniest embedded systems and the fastest supercomputers and clusters in the world tend to run Linux.
20100716 03:53:10< shadowmaster> let's not forget that Linux belongs to a rather obsolete class of operating system kernels
20100716 03:53:13< shadowmaster> monolithic kernels.
20100716 03:53:17< Aethaeryn> So?
20100716 03:53:20< Aethaeryn> It works.
20100716 03:53:33< shadowmaster> Whereas Windows NT's, and Mac OS X's kernels are hybrid.
20100716 03:53:41< Aethaeryn> If I weren't too lazy right now, I'd point to a list of the top supercomputers in the world
20100716 03:53:49< Aethaeryn> Not to mention superclusters like Amazon and Google.
20100716 03:54:05< shadowmaster> in the latter's case, this means that a single driver can't take the whole operating system down
20100716 03:54:27< shadowmaster> which often happens in Linux and Windows NT (mainly because of a privilege overlap in the design of the WDM)
20100716 03:54:37< Aethaeryn> You sure about that?
20100716 03:54:39< shadowmaster> (This supposedly got better with Vista. I can't check that.)
20100716 03:54:43< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: yes
20100716 03:54:50< Aethaeryn> Usually when I have driver problems I can still ctrl+alt+f2 and fix it
20100716 03:54:54< Aethaeryn> before rebooting
20100716 03:55:05< Aethaeryn> Probably not the most user unfriendly, but if you're afraid of text mode, you shouldn't be using a computer
20100716 03:55:11< Aethaeryn> *not the most user friendly
20100716 03:55:16< shadowmaster> I am the one who has seen kernel panics and BUGs that cause the whole system to become unstable.
20100716 03:55:29< shadowmaster> generally those BUGs get a task stuck in kernel mode forever.
20100716 03:55:44< shadowmaster> this sometimes means that init won't be able to shutdown the system cleanly
20100716 03:57:10< shadowmaster> if the graphics controller backend drivers (DRM or framebuffer if it may be the case) fail, they can easily cause a general mess-up even if they don't take the graphics controller or X down with them
20100716 03:57:23< Aethaeryn> ah
20100716 03:57:31< Aethaeryn> okay
20100716 03:57:43< un214> is the wescamp wiki way out of date?
20100716 03:57:50< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Theoretically, the most beautiful kernel is GNU Hurd.
20100716 03:58:06< Aethaeryn> In practice, it's still prealpha quality.
20100716 03:58:44< shadowmaster> sorry, butthe GNU Hurd guys became trapped in their philosophical expectations of a distributed operating system.
20100716 03:58:44< Aethaeryn> If you want an OS that works in a surprisingly vast array of situations, from phones to Amazon supercomputing clusters, you want Linux.
20100716 03:58:47< shadowmaster> *by
20100716 03:59:06< shadowmaster> basically they obsessed over perfection.
20100716 03:59:17< shadowmaster> the Linux people, and the Microsoft people, just want something that works (or sells, in the latter's case)
20100716 03:59:19< Aethaeryn> That's why I said it was *theoretically* the most beautiful.
20100716 03:59:43< shadowmaster> if we analyze Linux's design more closely we'll notice various shortcomings.
20100716 03:59:58< Aethaeryn> Yes.
20100716 04:00:01< Aethaeryn> But it works.
20100716 04:00:04< shadowmaster> the greatest might be that you need to grant a userspace process control of the raw hardware to get graphics.
20100716 04:00:10< shadowmaster> (it's getting better with KMS, again)
20100716 04:00:12< Aethaeryn> Pragmatically if not analytically.
20100716 04:00:32< Aethaeryn> When it comes to software, you want something that works, and then the money pours in from big companies that want to make it polished.
20100716 04:00:41< shadowmaster> there are also some things that are incredibly difficult to interact with, such as ALSA.
20100716 04:00:45< Espreon> un214: I suppose...
20100716 04:00:45< Aethaeryn> You don't start with perfection, you start with usefulness.
20100716 04:00:48< shadowmaster> that shows bad design in the interface.
20100716 04:01:17< Aethaeryn> I'd say Linux's biggest weaknesses are in graphics and wifi.
20100716 04:01:18< shadowmaster> right, it works, but it works badly!
20100716 04:01:23< shadowmaster> and other people have to put up with that mess
20100716 04:01:46< shadowmaster> either the users, or those who deliver stuff to those users so they can actually do useful stuff with Linux
20100716 04:02:00< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: If Windows and Linux had equal market share, equal application count, and equal amount of people trained to use their desktops, I think that Linux would be by far seen as more feature-complete.
20100716 04:02:14< Aethaeryn> It's just that people tend to be used to Windows, so they're more inclined to pick on Linux for ways it's not like Windows.
20100716 04:02:32< Aethaeryn> While only a special few Elect dislike *Windows* for things that Linux has been doing for the past 5-10 years.
20100716 04:03:08< shadowmaster> Windows is modular in its design. That hasn't been exploited as it could have been if it wasn't a proprietary operating system that won't let you reuse any of its components separately.
20100716 04:03:14< shadowmaster> *weren't
20100716 04:03:58< shadowmaster> you could technically implement a POSIX-compliant operating system on top of NT's kernel and native API
20100716 04:04:17< Aethaeryn> OpenWindows.
20100716 04:04:23< un214> except for that "delete file in use" bit
20100716 04:04:28< Aethaeryn> FreeWindows
20100716 04:04:33< Aethaeryn> NetWindows
20100716 04:04:34< shadowmaster> (there was some poor support for PSIX applications and OS/2 applications back in the day. Both were eventually dropped near Windows 2000)
20100716 04:04:42< shadowmaster> *POSIX
20100716 04:04:56< Aethaeryn> Winix
20100716 04:05:06< Aethaeryn> Windix
20100716 04:05:07< Aethaeryn> Windex
20100716 04:05:33< Aethaeryn> Wind Ow S X
20100716 04:05:57< Aethaeryn> So many potentials for forks if Windows was open sourced as a BSD license.
20100716 04:06:11<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: un214 * r7413 /branches/1.8/Story_of_Wose/ (4 files in 3 dirs): added fr translation from wescamp
20100716 04:07:48< un214> so how does communication with wescamp work?
20100716 04:07:57< Espreon> What do you mean?
20100716 04:08:27< un214> oh if we don't talk to each other they'll always be a release behind
20100716 04:08:42< Aethaeryn> I hope that Obama makes Windows public domain when he nationalizes all industry... since obviously he's a socialist according to his fair-and-balanced rivals who cannot be wrong. And real socialists nationalize industries.
20100716 04:09:16< Aethaeryn> Oh wait, if he were a socialist, our CIA would have to remove him from power and install a fascist in his place. Since that's what they do.
20100716 04:09:36< Espreon> un214: It works like this: addons with "translate=true" get imported into WesCamp, torangan generates stuff, and translators translate.
20100716 04:10:02< Espreon> Oooh, oooh, me, me!
20100716 04:10:10< Espreon> Oh no, wait... wrong country.
20100716 04:10:23< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: So... why does everyone hate America?
20100716 04:13:12< Espreon> For the lulz?
20100716 04:13:31< Valkier> They're jealous of our elf women drawing abilities.
20100716 04:13:43< Valkier> Also, we still have an economy and they don't.
20100716 04:14:04< Aethaeryn> Ah, k, makes sense.
20100716 04:14:31< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: because...
20100716 04:14:35< shadowmaster> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100716 04:14:44< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WeAllLiveInAmerica
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20100716 04:17:28< Gambit> oooh google searching a single word now gives a defenition
20100716 04:17:31 * Gambit likes
20100716 04:17:35< Gambit> My spelling is awful today...
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20100716 04:20:25< shadowmaster> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100716 04:20:28< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.BattleForWesnoth
20100716 04:20:43< shadowmaster> does the last editor's nickname sound familiar?
20100716 04:20:49< Aethaeryn> no
20100716 04:20:59< shadowmaster> you sure about that?
20100716 04:21:09< shadowmaster> I mean last in chronoligical order, first in the page
20100716 04:21:12< shadowmaster> chronological
20100716 04:21:19< Aethaeryn> oh wait, that's a game
20100716 04:21:47< shadowmaster> I know *our* TSI has read a lot of TV Tropes.
20100716 04:22:05< shadowmaster> I'll ask him if he was assimilated.
20100716 04:22:17< shadowmaster> (I have only done two anonymous edits)
20100716 04:22:58< shadowmaster> (then again I'm not much of a wiki editor, although I'm a MediaWiki cracker of sorts.)
20100716 04:23:27< shadowmaster> (...don't tell anyone, but I turned myself into a bureaucrat sysop in the Wesnoth wiki)
20100716 04:23:55< Aethaeryn> I'd be more impressed if you did that on the Wikipedia wiki.
20100716 04:23:59< Aethaeryn> That's also MediaWiki.
20100716 04:24:00< shadowmaster> (...and then registered Shadowmaster and used my newly acquired powers to give my new account those powers too.)
20100716 04:24:20< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: if they give me access to the db server, sure! p
20100716 04:24:26< shadowmaster> jk.
20100716 04:24:42< shadowmaster> although I did increase my powers using SQL-fu
20100716 04:24:55< Aethaeryn> You know SQL? O.O
20100716 04:24:59< shadowmaster> yes!
20100716 04:25:10< shadowmaster> enough to do some neat stuff with the forum database. And more recently, the wiki database.
20100716 04:25:47< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Who doesn't know SQL?
20100716 04:25:52< Gambit> It takes literally 20 minutes to learn.
20100716 04:25:56< Gambit> At most.
20100716 04:26:06< shadowmaster> you thought there was a way to change a member's registration date to be listed before Sirp?
20100716 04:26:18< shadowmaster> there wasn''t. I made it!
20100716 04:26:19< Gambit> heh
20100716 04:26:37< Gambit> If you can't learn SQL, you can't learn anything.
20100716 04:27:09< Gambit> SELECT columns FROM table WHERE cell = value
20100716 04:27:19< shadowmaster> ;
20100716 04:27:22< Gambit> INSERT columns INTO table(values)
20100716 04:27:26< shadowmaster> ;
20100716 04:27:33< Gambit> shadowmaster: not in <cfquery>
20100716 04:27:38< Gambit> we use newlines!
20100716 04:27:41< shadowmaster> you suck then
20100716 04:27:48< shadowmaster> I use the mysql console.
20100716 04:27:59< shadowmaster> I don't need a httpd to do the dirty job for me.
20100716 04:28:34< shadowmaster> I write SQL directly into the official database client.
20100716 04:28:48< shadowmaster> *MySQL's official ...
20100716 04:28:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: Well how does that work out for in-webpage queries?
20100716 04:28:57< Gambit> :P
20100716 04:29:14< Gambit> furthermore
20100716 04:29:18< Gambit> SQL != mySQL
20100716 04:29:19< Gambit> you
20100716 04:29:20< Gambit> FOOL!
20100716 04:29:20< shadowmaster> who needs queries in web pages if you aren't writing software that uses a database?
20100716 04:29:27< shadowmaster> Gambit: I've never said they are the same.
20100716 04:29:31< shadowmaster> idiot.
20100716 04:29:35< Gambit> I use MS access :D
20100716 04:29:47< shadowmaster> then you suck.
20100716 04:29:51< Gambit> If I need to edit the database I load access or I write a query and load the webpage
20100716 04:30:02< Gambit> I honestly can't say which is faster.
20100716 04:30:03< shadowmaster> rofl
20100716 04:30:07< Gambit> Access is such a sluggish program...
20100716 04:30:28< Gambit> But my clients use it
20100716 04:30:29< shadowmaster> I work directly on wesnoth.org
20100716 04:30:54< shadowmaster> over a SSH connection, on an actual command shell running on the actual host.
20100716 04:31:17< Gambit> I download the database, edit it, and reupload
20100716 04:31:18< Gambit> haha
20100716 04:31:22< Gambit> It's working out terrible so far
20100716 04:31:28< Gambit> I mean *REALLY* bad
20100716 04:31:28< shadowmaster> that sucks
20100716 04:31:37< shadowmaster> I don't need to download anything!
20100716 04:31:44< Gambit> Because if I do that, I then can't edit it again for ~2 hours
20100716 04:31:55< shadowmaster> or upload anything (we are ignoring the keypresses that go through SSH, and the output that goes back to me)
20100716 04:32:00< Gambit> Because of access's database locking
20100716 04:32:31< Gambit> I mean I could make a DSN on my local server that connects to the database on the FTP server
20100716 04:32:49< Gambit> But... actually why the heck have I not done that yet?
20100716 04:32:50< Gambit> :S
20100716 04:32:58< Gambit> Such a brilliant idea too...
20100716 04:33:28< Gambit> oh that's why
20100716 04:33:33< Gambit> databases must be on the server
20100716 04:34:03< Gambit> or do they...
20100716 04:35:30< Gambit> yeap. they do.
20100716 04:45:35< Gambit> Boring conversation anyway.
20100716 04:46:11< Valkier> Gambit: Less than three you man. Less than three.
20100716 04:46:31< Gambit> Valkier: What?
20100716 04:46:41< Valkier> Gambit: <3
20100716 04:46:59< Gambit> Valkier: http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/giving-notice.html
20100716 04:47:30< Valkier> hehe
20100716 04:47:47< Gambit> That show is awesome.
20100716 04:48:53< Gambit> "Pimp my Sister"
20100716 04:50:00< Gambit> Valkier: http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/a-piece-of-the-action.html
20100716 04:51:07< Valkier> All ready watched it
20100716 04:51:50< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Maybe I should take on a majestic name...
20100716 04:52:18< Valkier> Like TheRapist?
20100716 04:52:29 * Espreon chuckles
20100716 04:52:31< Espreon> Nah...
20100716 04:52:42< Gambit> TheGrapist
20100716 04:52:57< Gambit> Espreon: This could be you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqq051BU2MY
20100716 04:52:58< Espreon> Shut up Gambit, your're not involved in this.
20100716 04:53:01< Espreon> No.
20100716 04:53:05< Espreon> Maybe tomorrow.
20100716 04:53:13< Gambit> Valkier: You'll that one I bet :D
20100716 04:53:25< Gambit> (assuming here Pete has not already sent that to you)
20100716 04:53:29< Gambit> He's obsessed with that skit.
20100716 04:55:14< shadowmaster> Gambit: what's it about?
20100716 04:55:30< shadowmaster> I'll consider watching it after I stop playing something.
20100716 04:55:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: A commercial for childrens soda goes wrong when they choose "The Grapist" as the name for the mascot.
20100716 04:56:38< Gambit> shadowmaster: It's easily one of thier best sketches.
20100716 04:56:58< Gambit> This was before they used wordplay humor more than vulgar humor.
20100716 04:57:20< shadowmaster> let me guess, WKUK?
20100716 04:57:24< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yes
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20100716 05:23:33< Gambit> shadowmaster: kill it: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30751
20100716 05:23:51< Gambit> Well it doesn't actually need murdered.
20100716 05:23:58< Gambit> It just needs left alone to die of starvation.
20100716 05:24:09< shadowmaster> yes
20100716 05:24:16< Gambit> I hate how after one person explains a point excellently a hundred people have to chime in with the same point
20100716 05:24:25< Gambit> Most of the time not explaining it nearly as well as the first said explainer.
20100716 05:24:38< Gambit> Or worse; a simple "I agree with so and so."
20100716 05:25:20< Gambit> That thread should have died after Pete's post until such a time that the OP came back with a rebutal.
20100716 05:25:34< Gambit> hmm two t's.
20100716 05:26:34< Gambit> If you elaborate more on the so and so you agree with; great!
20100716 05:26:40< Gambit> Otherwise... why?
20100716 05:26:57< Gambit> Anyway good night all.
20100716 05:27:01< shadowmaster> night
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20100716 15:17:46< thespaceinvader> wesbot seen noy
20100716 15:17:47<+wesbot> thespaceinvader: The person with the nick noy last spoke 4d 2h ago.  3d 21h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-dev with the message: Quit: noy
20100716 15:45:10< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, i think he said that he was going to be away this week
20100716 15:46:04< thespaceinvader> ah thanks zookeeper 
20100716 15:46:46< zookeeper> no idea which day he'll be back though
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20100716 18:55:06< Grickit> Ladies and gentlemen; we have Linux.
20100716 18:56:29< Grickit> With sound!
20100716 18:58:48< timotei> Grickit: what linux?:)
20100716 18:59:57< Grickit> xubuntu
20100716 19:02:38< Grickit> ColdFusion runs on linux hopefully.
20100716 19:02:45< Grickit> That could scrap this whole thing if it doesn't.
20100716 19:04:11< Grickit> errr wtf? java not available for this type of computer (amd-64)
20100716 19:04:18< Grickit> That's not good. I *need* java.
20100716 19:04:30< timotei> lol
20100716 19:04:40< timotei> be sure to install sun-jdk
20100716 19:04:42< Grickit> No seriously. I can't compute without it.
20100716 19:04:45< timotei> and not that stupid openjdk
20100716 19:05:03< Grickit> I don't need the jdk.
20100716 19:05:09< Grickit> I just need the runtime.
20100716 19:05:21< Grickit> And browser plugin
20100716 19:05:33< timotei> well, just to have sun in it and not "open"
20100716 19:06:17< timotei> Grickit: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
20100716 19:06:51< timotei> Grickit: if it doesn't work: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140769
20100716 19:10:48< Grickit> I found some package that supposedly installs mp3, dvd, java, and flash support for Xubuntu all in one.
20100716 19:11:08 * Grickit crosses fingers.
20100716 19:11:22< Grickit> Ubuntu's forums have been more than less than unhelpful in the past.
20100716 19:11:41< Grickit> It's been quicker to just install and uninstall random packages until something works. =D
20100716 19:11:55< Grickit> timotei, btw, this is Gambit
20100716 19:12:02< timotei> lol
20100716 19:12:16< timotei> I thought so
20100716 19:12:49< timotei> Grickit: well, tbh, sabayon was the first (and only one) who worked out-of-the-box
20100716 19:12:59< timotei> Grickit: sound, wireless, codecs, all you need + youtube ;)
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20100716 19:16:48< Grickit> I don't mind a little bit of work as long as it all ends up actually working nicely.
20100716 19:18:57< Valkier> Who's working?
20100716 19:19:00< Valkier> We do that?!
20100716 19:24:33< Grickit> If java fails then CF fails
20100716 19:24:38< Grickit> Which is unacceptable.
20100716 19:24:54< Valkier> Nerd
20100716 19:25:22< Grickit> So my whole possible future as a linux user depends on getting java running
20100716 19:25:42< Valkier> Who are you even talking to?
20100716 19:25:46< Grickit> Even if I have to learn how to compile source code or something.
20100716 19:25:52< Grickit> Valkier, my imaginary friend timotei.
20100716 19:26:11< timotei> :))
20100716 19:26:25< timotei> Grickit: well, java is running if "java" works
20100716 19:26:28< timotei> in command line:))
20100716 19:27:21< Grickit> Valkier, and also to shadowmaster's away log :D
20100716 19:27:45< Grickit> Valkier, just watch. 3 hours from now he'll pop in with some mostly-useful reply.
20100716 19:28:27< Valkier> shadowmaster and useful.. hmmm...
20100716 19:28:50 * Valkier looks around
20100716 19:29:00< Valkier> Meh. Usually that's when he'd show up.
20100716 19:29:08< Grickit> It sounds oxymoronic at first, but it's true!
20100716 19:29:44< Valkier> I bet if we start talking about how Windows 7 is better than all linux distros to a staggering degree he'll show up.
20100716 19:29:59< Grickit> Valkier, Yeah he'll show up to agree.
20100716 19:30:17< Valkier> He should. Windows 7 is the best thing ever.
20100716 19:30:21< Grickit> He doesn't mind windows.
20100716 19:30:40< Grickit> He's practical. Not an open zealot.
20100716 19:30:40< Valkier> Oh yes he does.
20100716 19:30:53< Valkier> He's banned me from this channel at least twice over it.
20100716 19:31:10< Grickit> Banned?
20100716 19:31:14< Grickit> And yet... you're here.
20100716 19:31:25< Grickit> Valkier, evading a ban is a ban worthy offense!
20100716 19:31:54< Valkier> Well I got better...
20100716 19:32:16< Valkier> Or it could be he lifted the ban the next day. :-P
20100716 19:34:44< timotei> well, shadowmaster could also ban Grickit for talking about Cold F***
20100716 19:35:05< timotei> wasn't once a channel title: who talks about CF gets banned
20100716 19:35:11< Valkier> Cold F*****?
20100716 19:35:24< timotei> cold Fus10n
20100716 19:35:35< Grickit> actually we're allowed to talk about cold fusion
20100716 19:35:36< Valkier> Get him!
20100716 19:35:39< Grickit> as that's a nuclear reaction
20100716 19:35:46< Grickit> shadowmaster dislikes ColdFusion
20100716 19:35:54< Grickit> which is a web server
20100716 19:36:09< Grickit> He also dislikes CFML which is an open web application language
20100716 19:36:24< Grickit> that outclasses php by miles
20100716 19:38:09< Grickit> Well it looks like java is working, but this java game has no sound.
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20100716 20:00:11< Grickit> timotei, How to run a .bin file?
20100716 20:00:20< timotei> chmod +x file.bin
20100716 20:00:23< timotei> ./file.bin
20100716 20:01:32< Grickit> does nothing :\
20100716 20:01:53< Valkier> esr: Gasp! I didn't know they let you leave IRC.
20100716 20:02:12< timotei> Grickit: nothing what?
20100716 20:02:22< Grickit> timotei, just nothing
20100716 20:02:26< Grickit> it goes to the next line in terminal
20100716 20:02:31< Grickit> Doesn't ask me anything
20100716 20:02:34< Grickit> doesn't say anything
20100716 20:02:40< Grickit> nothing happens
20100716 20:02:48< timotei> then,,, the file does nothing :))
20100716 20:02:55< Grickit> Weird
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20100716 20:10:15< Grickit> Alrighty everything java-y is working perfectly. Java's verify doesn't seem to think I have it, but it's working.
20100716 20:10:27< Grickit> And chrome isn't using it.
20100716 20:10:45< Grickit> so... s/perfect/well enough/
20100716 20:12:04< Grickit> the coldfusion installer does nothing either :s
20100716 20:12:10< Grickit> clearly there is something wrong
20100716 20:17:49< timotei> esr: hi
20100716 20:18:21< timotei> esr: is any way of using a warn level that just outputs the files "traversed" so far, in wmlscop/wmllint ?
20100716 20:18:49< timotei> esr: because with -w 2 in wmlscope, it will output other content too
20100716 20:19:29< esr> timotei: Not currently, no.  It wouldn''t be very hard to add, though.
20100716 20:20:10< timotei> esr: I would like to give the user some feedback that something is actually happening there, but with -w2 it's too much
20100716 20:20:31< timotei> so, if you have some time (no hurry) please add that
20100716 20:22:34 * Grickit feels quite stupid
20100716 20:22:44< Grickit> timotei, So chmod +x makes the file executable
20100716 20:22:49< Grickit> but I still have to execute it then XD
20100716 20:22:53< timotei> yes
20100716 20:22:55 * Grickit did not know that
20100716 20:22:59< timotei> and execute is: ./file.bin
20100716 20:23:06< timotei> <timotei> chmod +x file.bin
20100716 20:23:06< timotei> <timotei> ./file.bin
20100716 20:23:20< Grickit> I thought the second line was a spelling correction
20100716 20:23:27< Grickit> chmod+x ./file.bin :\
20100716 20:23:29< timotei> no :))
20100716 20:23:35< Grickit> rofl
20100716 20:23:38< timotei> =))
20100716 20:23:42< timotei> that's why nothing happened
20100716 20:23:44< timotei> gg Grickit 
20100716 20:23:55< Grickit> "gotta go"?
20100716 20:24:00< Grickit> timotei, bye
20100716 20:24:40< PetePorty> shikadibot, GG?
20100716 20:24:41<+shikadibot> Sorry, I don't know what 'GG' means...
20100716 20:24:45< PetePorty> -.-
20100716 20:24:59< PetePorty> good game, girl, good game....
20100716 20:26:11< Grickit> whoa if you have open office installed the coldfusion on linux is capable of using that to still access MS office formats
20100716 20:26:16< Grickit> excellent
20100716 20:26:37< timotei> no
20100716 20:26:50< Grickit> timotei, no to what?
20100716 20:26:56< timotei> no gotta go
20100716 20:27:00< Grickit> ah
20100716 20:27:09< Grickit> timotei, Then what does it mean?
20100716 20:27:20< timotei> Good game. PetePorty said it already:P
20100716 20:27:24< Grickit> Ah
20100716 20:27:46< PetePorty> ...Gamb, I thougt you would know this...
20100716 20:27:52< timotei> :))
20100716 20:27:56< PetePorty> also, you changing your name forever?
20100716 20:28:04< Grickit> timotei, Thank you for the help thus far and by all probably estimations in the future :D
20100716 20:28:12< Grickit> I'm most of the way through installing
20100716 20:28:17< Grickit> but I'm pausing to grab open office real quick
20100716 20:28:49< Grickit> *probable
20100716 20:29:01< Grickit> Darn fingers. Type what I tell you to, not what you think I want.
20100716 20:29:04< PetePorty> Grickit, answer my question.
20100716 20:29:42< timotei> Grickit: I'll be here until 23 GMT+2
20100716 20:29:51< Grickit> PetePorty, Am I changing my name forever?
20100716 20:29:57< PetePorty> yep
20100716 20:29:59< Grickit> PetePorty, Nope. I'm still Derek :D
20100716 20:30:12< PetePorty> nick name...
20100716 20:30:23< Grickit> PetePorty, it is probable
20100716 20:30:28< PetePorty> :/
20100716 20:30:37< PetePorty> but... Gambit was cool...
20100716 20:30:53< Grickit> PetePorty, It's also already taken on just about everything on the planet.
20100716 20:30:55< timotei> yeah, Gambit was cool
20100716 20:30:59< Grickit> It's even worse after that stupid xmen movie.
20100716 20:31:13< timotei> :))
20100716 20:31:30< PetePorty> well, you can be grickit on absolutely everything except Wesnoth...
20100716 20:31:57< Grickit> Why can't I be grickit on wesnoth?
20100716 20:32:12< PetePorty> because I like Gambit.
20100716 20:32:22< PetePorty> I consider Gambit my friend
20100716 20:32:31< PetePorty> and I get to call you gamby.
20100716 20:32:33< PetePorty> :)
20100716 20:32:41< Grickit> No. It's Gambo. Like rambo.
20100716 20:32:44< PetePorty> or Gamb...
20100716 20:32:53< PetePorty> maybe Gamo...
20100716 20:32:58< PetePorty> see? bur grickit...
20100716 20:33:02< PetePorty> meh, not good...
20100716 20:33:06< Grickit> is it the 22th already?
20100716 20:33:09< Grickit> shadowmaster, where are you?
20100716 20:33:25< Grickit> grr clicking the clock does not pop up a calendar
20100716 20:33:27< Grickit> wtf linux?
20100716 20:33:36< PetePorty> :/
20100716 20:33:45< PetePorty> haven't used linux in some time...
20100716 20:33:58< Grickit> Hmm it's only the 16rd
20100716 20:34:10< Grickit> *16nd
20100716 20:34:12< PetePorty> I am not gonna ask.
20100716 20:34:24< timotei> PetePorty: mac?:D
20100716 20:34:27< Grickit> PetePorty, If you used twitter you would get this joke!
20100716 20:34:31< Grickit> timotei, No he pirates windows.
20100716 20:34:48< PetePorty> wrong
20100716 20:34:57< timotei> Grickit: not everybody pirates ;)
20100716 20:35:01< timotei> I don't
20100716 20:35:03< PetePorty> my uncle pirates windows.
20100716 20:35:44< PetePorty> Gambit, we won
20100716 20:35:45< Grickit> PetePorty, read http://twitter.com/shikadilord/status/18469947628 and then http://twitter.com/shikadilord/status/18473450766
20100716 20:36:03< Grickit> timotei, Of this I am aware. I buy windows.
20100716 20:36:12< Grickit> timotei, But PetePorty is a bonafide pirate
20100716 20:36:17< Grickit> he has an eyepatch and everything!
20100716 20:36:32< PetePorty> dude, that isn't funny
20100716 20:36:45< PetePorty> you know the eyepatch isn't because of that.
20100716 20:37:39< timotei> yuuu
20100716 20:37:44< timotei> people to follow on twitter :))
20100716 20:37:57< Grickit> timotei, you use twitter?
20100716 20:38:06< timotei> yeah>:)
20100716 20:38:09< Grickit> add grickit, shikadilord, and the_monochrome
20100716 20:38:18< Grickit> Myself, shadowmaster, and elvish_sovereign respectively
20100716 20:38:28< Grickit> don't add PetePorty because his is NSFW
20100716 20:38:32< timotei> lol at PetePorty background =))
20100716 20:38:37< PetePorty> ;)
20100716 20:38:40< Grickit> there's also esrtweet
20100716 20:38:44< PetePorty> it's Grickit's mom
20100716 20:38:47< timotei> yeah
20100716 20:38:56< Grickit> but esrtweet makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
20100716 20:39:13< Grickit> (to me)
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20100716 20:41:06< Grickit> yay coldfusion is installing
20100716 20:41:18< Grickit> lol at simulating a progress bar inside terminal with hyphens
20100716 20:41:30< timotei21> damn
20100716 20:41:43< timotei21> my sabayon doesn't recognize my internet
20100716 20:41:44< timotei21> X(X(X(X(X
20100716 20:41:57< PetePorty> Grickit, meh haz more followers than you.
20100716 20:42:11< timotei21> I have the sum of both of you :))
20100716 20:42:22< PetePorty> :/
20100716 20:42:27< PetePorty> well, wait a bit.
20100716 20:44:00-!- timotei [~Timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
20100716 20:45:13< timotei21> brb 
20100716 20:46:46< Grickit> success
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20100716 20:47:00< Grickit> there is a page at http://localhost:8500/ =D
20100716 20:47:23< PetePorty> ...
20100716 20:47:32< Grickit> now to install the IRC event gateway
20100716 20:47:40< Grickit> pop back over to windows to grab franbot's stuff
20100716 20:47:58< Grickit> and then back here for icecream
20100716 20:48:21< Grickit> actually I think I can access the stuff on windows from here...
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20100716 20:57:19< Grickit> timotei21, still around?
20100716 20:57:34< PetePorty> How to measure the height of a building using a barometer
20100716 20:57:35< PetePorty> http://www.esmerel.com/circle/question/building.html
20100716 20:57:42< Grickit> normally on windows I'd reference c:/coldfusion9/ blah blah
20100716 20:57:44< PetePorty> learn it, Grickit
20100716 20:57:48< Grickit> on linux it's in /opt/coldfusion9
20100716 20:57:53< Grickit> but that path appears to not be valid
20100716 20:58:01< Grickit> what do I reference the "filesystem" with?
20100716 20:58:13< Grickit> the main top level placeamabob
20100716 20:58:53< Grickit> ~ ?
20100716 21:02:17< Grickit> oh just nothing
20100716 21:02:32< Grickit> nevermind the path was valid
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20100716 21:02:47 * Grickit forgot linux is case sensitive to folder and file names
20100716 21:02:50< Grickit> ... again
20100716 21:02:59< PetePorty> ...
20100716 21:03:18< PetePorty> you totally ignored my barometer link
20100716 21:03:26< timotei> yeah, started my notebook
20100716 21:03:30< timotei> 759 new emails to download
20100716 21:03:30< timotei> =))
20100716 21:03:35< timotei> I missed 2 weeks
20100716 21:03:50< timotei> Grickit: ~ is home
20100716 21:04:04< timotei> esr: thanks
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20100716 21:15:05< Grickit> timotei, thank you so much for all the help
20100716 21:15:15< timotei> oh
20100716 21:15:16< timotei> np
20100716 21:15:16< Grickit> my web server and IRC bot are now running
20100716 21:15:18< timotei> :D
20100716 21:16:03< Grickit> Now it's time to see about compiling frogatto from source
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20100716 21:16:32< Grickit> Actually first it's time to make this computer look less ugly
20100716 21:16:45< Grickit> s/computer/window manager thingamabob/
20100716 21:20:54< timotei> frogatto?
20100716 21:20:56< timotei> what's that?
20100716 21:21:13< timotei> oo nice
20100716 21:21:20< timotei> I remember I've seen it before
20100716 21:21:22< timotei> who made it?
20100716 21:21:44< timotei> yeah right, Sirp
20100716 21:21:45< timotei> :))
20100716 21:22:42< Grickit> timotei, Yep. Dave and Jet and Crimson and Neorice and shadowmaster
20100716 21:25:17< timotei> Grickit: how old are ya?
20100716 21:25:33< Grickit> 18
20100716 21:26:09< timotei> nice:D
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20100716 21:31:00< timotei21> ok. :D
20100716 21:31:10< timotei21> I'm from sabayon
20100716 21:33:44< shadowmaster> I'm from Debian squeeze+experimental
20100716 21:34:19< shadowmaster> (You know you've been using Debian for too long when you start adding packages from Experimental into the mix.)
20100716 21:35:12< Grickit> I'm from Earth
20100716 21:37:07< shadowmaster> Grickit: no, you are from Windows Vista.
20100716 21:37:18< shadowm_laptop> oh.
20100716 21:37:20< shadowm_laptop> Ubuntu!
20100716 21:37:25< shadowm_laptop> Grickit: you are from Ubuntu!
20100716 21:37:35< shadowm_laptop> 15:37:11 [ctcp(Grickit)] VERSION 
20100716 21:37:36< shadowm_laptop> 15:37:12 CTCP VERSION reply from Grickit: xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu
20100716 21:37:50< Grickit> unfortunately on the xchat part
20100716 21:37:57< Grickit> I just haven't gotten quassel yet
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20100716 21:39:29< Grickit> xubuntu doesn't offer much in the way of visual customization
20100716 21:39:40< Grickit> do I blame that on xfce?
20100716 21:39:46< shadowm_laptop> yes
20100716 21:39:53< Grickit> It doesn't let me set individual colors for things
20100716 21:39:55< shadowm_laptop> you could switch to GNOME or KDE probably
20100716 21:40:07< Grickit> shadowm_laptop, can that be done through the package manager?
20100716 21:40:07< shadowm_laptop> although KDE/Qt is more customizable than GNOME
20100716 21:40:11< shadowm_laptop> yes
20100716 21:40:21< Grickit> okay I'll try that
20100716 21:40:27< shadowm_laptop> I know that it's possible to switch to KDE on Ubuntu using the package manager
20100716 21:40:32< shadowm_laptop> or to GNOME on Kubuntu
20100716 21:40:34< Grickit> because I really don't feel like download plain old ubuntu and going through all this installation all over again
20100716 21:40:40< shadowm_laptop> so I guess it's also possible to do that with Xubuntu
20100716 21:40:55< Grickit> I just got my coldfusion server working on linux :D
20100716 21:41:09< timotei> Grickit: I don't recomment
20100716 21:41:20< timotei> just reinstall, or you'll have plently remainings
20100716 21:41:23< timotei> from the old desktop
20100716 21:41:24< timotei> :|
20100716 21:41:29< timotei> window manager
20100716 21:41:34< shadowm_laptop> timotei: that shouldn't be a problem
20100716 21:41:43< shadowm_laptop> here I have Xfce installed along with KDE 4.4.4
20100716 21:41:51< shadowm_laptop> and Fluxbox
20100716 21:42:12< shadowm_laptop> it's always good to have a backup in case KDE breaks for some reason (you know, this is not a released distribution) :p
20100716 21:43:17< Grickit> supposedly it installed super fast
20100716 21:43:24< Grickit> so how do I switch and set it to default?
20100716 21:43:57< shadowm_laptop> why not search in the web for instructions? :p
20100716 21:44:16< Grickit> shadowm_laptop, because I'm grumpy and stressed and you know the answer
20100716 21:44:30< shadowm_laptop> uninstalling Xfce's display manager and installing GNOME's display manager or KDE's should probably do it
20100716 21:44:31< timotei> Grickit: here is the answer
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20100716 21:45:17< timotei> Grickit: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Install+GNOME+in+xubuntu
20100716 21:45:17< timotei> :D
20100716 21:45:20< timotei> just simple
20100716 21:45:35< Grickit> *KDE
20100716 21:46:02< shadowm_laptop> just keep in mind that GNOME isn't very friendly to Windows users since it's rather Mac OS-ish in interface design
20100716 21:46:54< timotei> ok
20100716 21:46:59< timotei> Grickit: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Install+KDE+in+xubuntu
20100716 21:47:00< timotei> this
20100716 21:47:24< Grickit> timotei, Thanks! That comprehensive guide really helped.
20100716 21:47:38< timotei> wait, did you really found something?:))
20100716 21:47:42< Grickit> no
20100716 21:47:47< timotei> oh
20100716 21:47:47< timotei> ok
20100716 21:47:49< Grickit> well yes but not from that
20100716 21:48:02< timotei> Grickit: ok http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/install-kde-kubuntu-on-ubuntu/
20100716 21:48:24< Grickit> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :o
20100716 21:48:57< Grickit> timotei, I win :$
20100716 21:49:32< Grickit> my transfer rate is 1kbps faster on linux
20100716 21:49:34< Grickit> hurray
20100716 21:49:57< shadowmaster> then there must've been something using bandwidth in the background on Windows...
20100716 21:50:09< Grickit> I don't doubt it.
20100716 21:50:16< timotei> :))
20100716 21:50:53< Grickit> Well there was franbot making 2-3 http requests every 30 seconds
20100716 21:51:07< Grickit> er no that's not right
20100716 21:51:12< Grickit> 1 request every 30
20100716 21:51:15< Grickit> and another every 60
20100716 21:51:27< Grickit> And AVG
20100716 21:52:02< Grickit> speaking of virus protection
20100716 21:52:09< Grickit> Hurrah for not needing that now.
20100716 21:52:14< Grickit> (I'm not on gentoo ZING!)
20100716 21:52:16< timotei> lol
20100716 21:52:21< timotei> 70k+ files in an archive
20100716 21:52:24< timotei> not good
20100716 21:52:30< Grickit> Actually I guess that wasn't fair.
20100716 21:52:37< Grickit> I'm not on gentoo and running an irc server.
20100716 21:52:51< Grickit> -slightly weaker zing-
20100716 21:53:19< Grickit> timotei, what archive is that?
20100716 21:53:34< timotei> need to copy things from bro's notebok to my main:D
20100716 21:53:43< Grickit> ah
20100716 21:56:53< Grickit> whoa
20100716 21:57:01< Grickit> I just got a message that was formatted like a window in the bios
20100716 21:57:17< Grickit> but it was in a window here...
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20100716 21:57:31< Grickit> It wanted to know what the default window manager would be.
20100716 21:57:43< Grickit> I guess now I restart?
20100716 21:57:49< Grickit> and hope it all comes back okay
20100716 21:57:50< shadowmaster> nah
20100716 21:57:59< Grickit> shadowmaster, no?
20100716 21:58:01< shadowmaster> well, probably, though
20100716 21:58:03< Grickit> then how do I switch over
20100716 21:58:17< shadowmaster> try restarting. I forgot you are also switching the display manager.
20100716 21:58:21< Grickit> shadowmaster, http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/linux-infection-proves-windows-malware-monopoly-is-over-gentoo-ships-backdoor-updated/2206
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20100716 22:00:34< timotei> this is ... 
20100716 22:00:36< timotei> don't know
20100716 22:00:38< timotei> weird?
20100716 22:00:44< timotei> what do you say shadowmaster 
20100716 22:00:47< shadowmaster> HAHAHAHAHAHHA
20100716 22:00:51< shadowmaster> HAHHAHAHAHA
20100716 22:00:51< shadowmaster> HAH.
20100716 22:00:56< shadowmaster> WE ALL KNOW UNREALIRCD SUCKS
20100716 22:01:00< timotei> :))
20100716 22:01:13< shadowmaster> sorry, my atheme translator persona was taking over.
20100716 22:01:22< shadowmaster> no, seriously, unrealircd is crap.
20100716 22:01:33< shadowmaster> it doesn't surprise me to find out this now.
20100716 22:01:51< timotei> :D
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20100716 22:01:59< gambit> what
20100716 22:02:00< gambit> the
20100716 22:02:01< shadowmaster> gambit: 
20100716 22:02:02< gambit> fuck
20100716 22:02:08< gambit> shadowmaster: I'm on kubuntu now
20100716 22:02:14< gambit> all the things I installed are gone
20100716 22:02:17< shadowmaster> gambit: that's the idea.
20100716 22:02:20< gambit> and all kubuntus default programs
20100716 22:02:21< shadowmaster> oh
20100716 22:02:21< gambit> are here
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20100716 22:02:32< Guest25524> I just wanted to switch to KDE
20100716 22:02:40< Guest25524> how did I even download the entire OS in that short amount of time?!?!
20100716 22:02:59< shadowmaster> because many cmponents have nothing to do with the desktop environment and were already installed
20100716 22:03:03< shadowmaster> anyway
20100716 22:03:05< shadowmaster> 16:00:47 <shadowmaster> HAHAHAHAHAHHA
20100716 22:03:05< shadowmaster> 16:00:50 <shadowmaster> HAHHAHAHAHA
20100716 22:03:05< shadowmaster> 16:00:50 <shadowmaster> HAH.
20100716 22:03:05< shadowmaster> 16:00:56 <shadowmaster> WE ALL KNOW UNREALIRCD SUCKS
20100716 22:03:07< shadowmaster> 16:01:00 <timotei> :))
20100716 22:03:10< shadowmaster> 16:01:13 <shadowmaster> sorry, my atheme translator persona was taking over.
20100716 22:03:13< shadowmaster> 16:01:22 <shadowmaster> no, seriously, unrealircd is crap.
20100716 22:03:15< shadowmaster> 16:01:33 <shadowmaster> it doesn't surprise me to find out this now.
20100716 22:03:20< Guest25524> wtf wtf wtf wtf
20100716 22:03:29< timotei> =))
20100716 22:03:31< Guest25524> so I have to reinstall java
20100716 22:03:32< Guest25524> and flash
20100716 22:03:34< Guest25524> and coldfusion
20100716 22:03:35< shadowmaster> may this serve as a lesson to all those stupid UnrealIRCd fans out there.
20100716 22:03:35< timotei> Guest25524: no
20100716 22:03:44< timotei> Guest25524: you don't have to
20100716 22:03:57< timotei> Guest25524: you have to install just xfce-only related programs...
20100716 22:04:02< timotei> java is still working:D
20100716 22:04:06< Guest25524> is it?
20100716 22:04:08< Guest25524> okay good
20100716 22:04:19< Guest25524> oh and chrome is still here
20100716 22:04:25< Guest25524> and my settings
20100716 22:04:27< Guest25524> hurray
20100716 22:04:30< Guest25524> but that doesn't explain
20100716 22:04:37< Guest25524> why all these new programs are here :\
20100716 22:04:41< shadowmaster> 16:04:29 -!- Topic for #atheme: http://secunia.com/advisories/29486 | http://forums.unrealircd.com/viewtopic.php?t=6562 | stable: 5.2.1, oldstable: 5.0.1,  testing: 6.0.0-alpha1, web: 0.1.1 - http://atheme.net/ | http://hg.atheme.org/atheme/ | bugs: http://jira.atheme.org/browse/SRV
20100716 22:04:46< shadowmaster> 16:04:29 -!- Topic set by nenolod [~nenolod@quantum.physics] [Fri Jul  9 06:24:46 2010]
20100716 22:04:47< Guest25524> I guess theat's easy enough to undo
20100716 22:04:49< shadowmaster> notice the second link in that topic
20100716 22:05:16< Guest25524> shadowmaster: yeah lol
20100716 22:05:28< Guest25524> the only reason I know bout that
20100716 22:05:39< Guest25524> is because my dad came home and started telling me how linux was insecure now
20100716 22:05:42< Guest25524> and how I better take it off
20100716 22:05:44< shadowmaster> fortunately the charbydis developers aren't morons.
20100716 22:05:48< Guest25524> -_-
20100716 22:05:54< Guest25524> so I looked up said article
20100716 22:05:57< Guest25524> 1. I have never used gentoo
20100716 22:06:01< Guest25524> 2. I don't run an irc server
20100716 22:06:09< Guest25524> 3. wtf
20100716 22:06:35< Guest25524> so that was acutally rather painless
20100716 22:06:41< Guest25524> aside from you know... me flipping out
20100716 22:07:56 * Guest25524 was scared out of his mind
20100716 22:10:30< timotei> lol Guest25524 
20100716 22:10:50< timotei> Guest25524: you dad is telling you about security?:D
20100716 22:10:52< timotei> that's nice
20100716 22:10:53< Guest25524> Where's PetePorty when you need him?
20100716 22:11:00< Guest25524> I need someone to spam the crap out of my robot
20100716 22:11:02< PetePorty> here
20100716 22:11:06< timotei> :))
20100716 22:11:14< Guest25524> PetePorty: go spam the crap out of franbot, but keep switching what you do :D
20100716 22:11:24< Guest25524> like don't just ask 5 questions in a row
20100716 22:11:39< Guest25524> she needs a stress test
20100716 22:11:40< PetePorty> sorry, I'm getting pwnd at wesnoth
20100716 22:11:43< PetePorty> sorry
20100716 22:11:50< PetePorty> but I will in between turns
20100716 22:11:55< PetePorty> also, ask hula
20100716 22:11:58< Guest25524> PetePorty: it's okay. focus on wesnoth then :)
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20100716 22:17:07< timotei> ok, good night shadowmaster Gambit
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20100716 22:29:04< Gambit_> okay then
20100716 22:29:10< Gambit_> pesky desktop effects removed
20100716 22:29:14< Gambit_> everything is looking good
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20100716 22:39:40< Gambit> shadowmaster: So is it okay to start removing software that came with xcfe that I don't want?
20100716 22:39:49< Gambit> like I don't think I need two file managers
20100716 22:39:52< Gambit> two system monitors
20100716 22:40:00< Gambit> (or do I? I don't know)
20100716 22:40:40< shadowmaster> yes, it's okay
20100716 22:41:07< Gambit> oh It will let me remove the entire xubuntu-desktop-system hmm
20100716 22:42:51< shadowmaster> okay, trying to compile mesa with -floop-block to see if I break things or increase performance
20100716 22:43:01< Gambit> sounds like a plan
20100716 22:46:40< Gambit> crud
20100716 22:46:46< Gambit> it doesn't do .mdb
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20100716 22:48:27< Gambit> well I guess I could always try JDBC-ODBC again
20100716 22:48:35< Gambit> I'm smarter than I was last time I tried that.
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20100716 22:49:24< shadowmaster> didn't break anything and performance seems to have not changed.
20100716 22:49:57< shadowmaster> although I guess at least some operations will cause less overhead on the memory subsystem.
20100716 22:52:06< Gambit> shadowmaster: Can I bother you when I run into problems compiling frogatto? :)
20100716 22:52:30< Gambit> I'd say "if", but that's being just a little too optimistic at the moment.
20100716 22:52:57< shadowmaster> yes
20100716 22:56:48< Gambit> also I'm not letting my little brother use windows
20100716 22:56:50< Gambit> he'll thank me
20100716 22:57:01< Gambit> I put kubuntu on his laptop a month or two ago
20100716 22:57:08< Gambit> It's gone well so far.
20100716 22:57:27< Gambit> s/his laptop/my laptop that I lend to him because it's a PoS and I don't care about it/
20100716 22:57:49< Gambit> shadowmaster: non journaled
20100716 22:57:52< Gambit> it's just a thumbdrive
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20100716 23:02:03< shadowmaster> Gambit: well, the last time I said that I had some major filesystem corruptionn on a ext2 filesystem when the USB connector failed
20100716 23:02:14< shadowmaster> I lost a SVN repository that way
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20100716 23:02:47< shadowmaster> so I'm tempted to go with a journaled ext3 filesystem instead.
20100716 23:02:51< shadowmaster> or maybe ext4.
20100716 23:08:22< Gambit> shadowmaster: downloaded and installed
20100716 23:08:25< Gambit> what do I do now?
20100716 23:08:30< Gambit> s/installed/extracted/
20100716 23:08:34< Gambit> strange typo was strange
20100716 23:08:37< shadowmaster> who?
20100716 23:08:48< Gambit> frogatto
20100716 23:08:50< Gambit> source
20100716 23:08:59< shadowmaster> k, let me see
20100716 23:09:19< shadowmaster> first you want $ sudo apt-get install build-essential
20100716 23:09:37< Gambit> from the frogatto directory?
20100716 23:09:44< shadowmaster> anywhere
20100716 23:10:18< shadowmaster> the only command you'll need to run from the frogatto dir is make, but you aren't there yet - you need the stuff to be able to compile programs first.
20100716 23:10:31< Gambit> oh
20100716 23:10:37< Gambit> prerequisites
20100716 23:10:46< shadowmaster> accept them
20100716 23:10:50< Gambit> Yes
20100716 23:11:09< Gambit> alrighty that's done
20100716 23:12:08< shadowmaster> sudo apt-get install libasio-dev libboost-all-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libglew1.5 libglew1.5-dev libglewmx1.5 libglewmx1.5-dev ccache
20100716 23:12:29< shadowmaster> (all in the same command, of course)
20100716 23:13:22< Gambit> Is all this stuff listed somewhere?
20100716 23:13:40< Gambit> or you memorized that? :\
20100716 23:13:49< shadowmaster> in the INSTALL file, but I'm telling you how to do it the Debian/Ubuntu way
20100716 23:14:00< shadowmaster> based on the stuff I have installed myself
20100716 23:16:08< Gambit> Ah I love that kde lets you snap windows to the sides of the screen and other windows while resizing and moving
20100716 23:16:33< shadowmaster> after that, sudo apt-get libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev libpng12-dev zlib1g-dev
20100716 23:16:45< shadowmaster> *sudo apt-get install
20100716 23:16:56< shadowmaster> and that should be everything for compiling frogatto unless I'm mistaken.
20100716 23:17:03< shadowmaster> (also for compiling Wesnoth)
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20100716 23:22:39< Gambit> and now we wait
20100716 23:22:57< shadowmaster> Gambit: uh?
20100716 23:22:59< Gambit> I should have done this from the terminal only mode thinger
20100716 23:23:11< Gambit> iirc that made compiling wesnoth a half an hour faster
20100716 23:23:26< Gambit> shadowmaster: Was I not supposed to make yet?
20100716 23:23:28< Gambit> :$
20100716 23:23:36< shadowmaster> frogatto shoul compile faster than Wesnoth.
20100716 23:23:50< Gambit> does it go in alphabetical order?
20100716 23:23:52< shadowmaster> mainly because it doesn't make as much use of C++ templates as Wesnoth, and also has less code.
20100716 23:23:56< Gambit> I'm on wml_parser.cpp
20100716 23:24:03< Gambit> and it's keeping on going
20100716 23:24:08< shadowmaster> it goes in the Makefile's order, which is roughly alphabetical
20100716 23:24:14< shadowmaster> there are some files out of order.
20100716 23:24:19< Gambit> done :D
20100716 23:24:30< shadowmaster> now   $ ./game
20100716 23:24:44< Gambit> crashes d:
20100716 23:24:47< Gambit> D:
20100716 23:24:57< shadowmaster> ohh...what does it say?
20100716 23:25:19< Gambit> oh actually that worked
20100716 23:25:30< Gambit> it's just opening game from dolphin that crashes
20100716 23:25:50< shadowmaster> also, tip: $ ./game 2> /dev/null    unless you need frogatto's debug output for something
20100716 23:26:29< shadowmaster> maybe dolphin doesn't set the application's parent dir as the working dir.
20100716 23:26:56< shadowmaster> frogatto (unfortunately) isn't very smart at determining where its data is located. It assumes the current working directory (of the game's process) as the data source.
20100716 23:27:01< Gambit> it also lacks a "open terminal from here" option
20100716 23:27:14< shadowmaster> in dolphin, press F4
20100716 23:27:25< shadowmaster> I mean shift+F4
20100716 23:27:39< shadowmaster> Also, Tools menu -> Open terminal
20100716 23:28:21< shadowmaster> actually, F4 starts an embedded terminal in the current dir. shift+F4 / Menu option just starts a new separate instance
20100716 23:30:27< loonycyborg> Why Sirp tends to name binaries of his games 'game'? :/ He as well could go even more general and name them 'binary' :P
20100716 23:30:48< shadowmaster> because he seems to decide upon names *after* writing some source code
20100716 23:31:10< Gambit> names are hard
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20100716 23:38:04< Gambit> strange I don't know where to put my savegame
20100716 23:38:09< Gambit> it's not in level
20100716 23:38:12< Gambit> and there is no userdata
20100716 23:38:18< shadowmaster> ~/.frogatto
20100716 23:38:26< Gambit> ah
20100716 23:38:26< shadowmaster> it's probably named save.cfg
20100716 23:39:33< Gambit> okey dokey
20100716 23:39:48< Aethaeryn> esr: seriously... a real tricorder?
20100716 23:39:58< Aethaeryn> that's cool.
20100716 23:40:48< esr> Aethaeryn: Blew me the fuck away...
20100716 23:40:54< Aethaeryn> esr: also, some random person in my philosophy class today actually knew my phone as "a Droid" and T-Mobile (although I explained that mine's unlocked so it's on AT&T)... so Android actually is starting to get name recognition.
20100716 23:41:45< Aethaeryn> The massive flood of Androids this past year (meaning the past 365 days, so including the Droid) seems to have worked.
20100716 23:42:21< Aethaeryn> esr: is it just called "tricorder"?
20100716 23:42:24< Aethaeryn> I have to give it a test.
20100716 23:43:04< Aethaeryn> There's a "tricorder" by "moonblink"
20100716 23:43:19< esr> That's it.
20100716 23:43:29< Aethaeryn> awesome :-)
20100716 23:43:43< shadowmaster> tarballing frogatto with all the SVN info is really slow
20100716 23:44:29< Aethaeryn> esr: Downloading.
20100716 23:44:57< shadowmaster> I should have used svn export instead.
20100716 23:48:35< Aethaeryn> esr: Cool.
20100716 23:52:43< Gambit> awww wtf
20100716 23:52:52< Gambit> if you search "countrysideanimalsanctuary" on google
20100716 23:52:57< Gambit> the first hit is titled "Make a Donation"
20100716 23:53:09< Gambit> That's my fault I guess...
20100716 23:53:45< shadowmaster> 10 MB/s
20100716 23:53:49< shadowmaster> nice
20100716 23:54:25< shadowmaster> (that's the download rate from a Debian lenny VM, to the host)
20100716 23:54:26< Gambit> shadowmaster: your internet?
20100716 23:54:30< Gambit> oh
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