of the page 20100717 00:02:06< Gambit> or a keyword 20100717 00:02:07< Gambit> or anything 20100717 00:04:06< Gambit> shadowmaster: I can't find anyway to make desktop icons :\ 20100717 00:04:08< Gambit> irony 20100717 00:05:15< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you mean .ico files? 20100717 00:05:25< Gambit> Aethaeryn: No. I mean a link on the desktop to a file. 20100717 00:05:25< zookeeper> what the heck is this about tricorders? 20100717 00:05:41< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: right-click on the desktop area 20100717 00:05:47< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: apparently, there's an app for that. 20100717 00:05:54< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: Create New -> Link to application 20100717 00:06:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: no "create new" 20100717 00:06:16< shadowm_laptop> what version of KDE is that? 20100717 00:06:28< shadowm_laptop> you are clicking on the "Desktop folder" area? 20100717 00:06:36< Gambit> shadowmaster: aahhhh I removed that 20100717 00:06:41< Gambit> okay I'll make a new folder view 20100717 00:07:15< shadowm_laptop> with KDE 4.4 it's possible to make the whole desktop a folder view like it used to be with KDE 3.5.x and earlier 20100717 00:07:22< shadowm_laptop> but I don't know what you have there 20100717 00:07:27< zookeeper> Aethaeryn, umm, okay 20100717 00:08:04< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: try right click -> activity settings . Go to the activity tab. Change the activity type from "Desktop" to "Folder View" 20100717 00:08:17< shadowm_laptop> if that's not KDE 4.4 then neither of those options will be available, of course. 20100717 00:08:51< Gambit> nice 20100717 00:09:07< Gambit> why would you *not* want the desktop folder to be on the desktop anyway? :S 20100717 00:09:14< elvish_sovereign> argh 20100717 00:09:28< shadowm_laptop> no idea, they got that weird idea of making it a separate widget instead in 4.0 20100717 00:09:44< shadowm_laptop> hopefully after the old way was restored in 4.4 it will be the default again at some point 20100717 00:10:02< elvish_sovereign> Meseems I downloaded ~714 MB for nothing 20100717 00:10:34< elvish_sovereign> argh 20100717 00:10:55< elvish_sovereign> the keyboard deosn't work, I can't even my password 20100717 00:10:57< elvish_sovereign> -_- 20100717 00:11:02< elvish_sovereign> I can't even enter* 20100717 00:11:04< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: ouch 20100717 00:11:09< Gambit> onscreen keyboard? 20100717 00:11:11-!- zookeeper [~l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [] 20100717 00:11:13< elvish_sovereign> hmm 20100717 00:11:50< Gambit> shadowmaster: so how can I make a link to frogatto's game file that actually works? 20100717 00:12:37< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: did you create an application link already? 20100717 00:12:42< Gambit> yes 20100717 00:12:51< shadowm_laptop> go to its properties 20100717 00:12:51< elvish_sovereign> tsk tsk 20100717 00:12:52< Gambit> I've tried various things for command 20100717 00:12:55< shadowm_laptop> go to Application tab 20100717 00:12:58< elvish_sovereign> disappointed 20100717 00:12:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm not that stupid :( 20100717 00:13:04< shadowm_laptop> set Command to path/to/game 20100717 00:13:09< elvish_sovereign> :'( 20100717 00:13:13< shadowm_laptop> Work Path to path/to/ 20100717 00:13:28< Gambit> OH 20100717 00:13:33< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: I know, but I'm in GUI-helping mode :p 20100717 00:13:34< Gambit> also oh that was e_s that tsk tsk 20100717 00:13:46< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yeah I thought you were tsk tsking me for a second :P 20100717 00:13:58< Gambit> but it was elvish_sovereign expressing general dissatisfaction with linux 20100717 00:14:11< elvish_sovereign> nah 20100717 00:14:13< shadowm_laptop> elvish_sovereign: you are a Mac user? 20100717 00:14:16< elvish_sovereign> i've never even used it 20100717 00:14:19< elvish_sovereign> yes 20100717 00:14:31< shadowm_laptop> well, then you are used to being the computer equivalent of a couch potato :p 20100717 00:14:35< shadowm_laptop> (jk) 20100717 00:14:41< elvish_sovereign> i can't use the keyboard on my virtual machine driver 20100717 00:14:50< Gambit> virtual machine? 20100717 00:14:54< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: boot your windows copy 20100717 00:14:57< Gambit> and use wubi! 20100717 00:15:04< elvish_sovereign> oh i have to go eat 20100717 00:15:06< Gambit> it installs and uninstalls like an ordinary windows program 20100717 00:15:11< Gambit> virtual partition 20100717 00:15:18< elvish_sovereign> see ya 20100717 00:15:22< elvish_sovereign> i'll figure this out later 20100717 00:15:23< Gambit> (for us chickens who know if they ever tried partioning a harddrive it would surely die) 20100717 00:15:47< shadowm_laptop> the hard drive isn't likely to die due to partitioning. The data on its filesystem(s), yes. 20100717 00:16:03< shadowm_laptop> although I'd not place my bets on my half-fried HDD that is in blackcore. 20100717 00:16:05-!- PetePorty [~Pete@pc-235-252-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 00:16:23< Gambit> shadowmaster: a harddrive isnt likely to die from installing a DVD rom drive either 20100717 00:16:29< Gambit> but it happened :'( 20100717 00:16:32< PetePorty> ... 20100717 00:16:44< shadowm_laptop> did you smack the HDD or what? o_O 20100717 00:16:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: I have no idea 20100717 00:16:57< Gambit> but that computer is screwed forever 20100717 00:17:03< Gambit> it's not actually just the harddrive 20100717 00:17:07< Gambit> I've tried another blank harddrive 20100717 00:17:10< Gambit> I can't put any OS on it 20100717 00:17:24< Gambit> It might be the port where the IDE cable goes on 20100717 00:17:27< Gambit> or the motherboard itself 20100717 00:17:27< shadowm_laptop> power failure? 20100717 00:17:31< Gambit> shadowmaster: nope 20100717 00:17:41< Gambit> nothing went wrong 20100717 00:17:52< shadowm_laptop> odd. 20100717 00:18:01< Gambit> it just will not boot or install any operating system I've tried 20100717 00:18:17< Gambit> ME, 98, Feather, Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch 20100717 00:18:24< shadowm_laptop> well, if you reconnected the HDD then may be it just ended up in the wrong connector 20100717 00:18:45< shadowm_laptop> normally you'll want the first HDD as the primary IDE master or on the first SATA port 20100717 00:19:26< Gambit> wow gimp actually loads in a reasonable amount of time on linux 20100717 00:19:53< shadowm_laptop> the first startup is slower *tsk* *tsk* 20100717 00:21:39 * Espreon hopes that EVILEST is all right 20100717 00:21:50< shadowm_laptop> 3 upgraded, 36 newly installed, 0 to remove and 276 not upgraded. 20100717 00:21:51< shadowm_laptop> Need to get 64.5MB of archives. 20100717 00:21:51< shadowm_laptop> After this operation, 280MB of additional disk space will be used 20100717 00:21:53< shadowm_laptop> BLEH. 20100717 00:21:53< Valkier> Why would you think he is not? 20100717 00:21:57< shadowm_laptop> I'll just switch to greycore. 20100717 00:22:04-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 00:22:14< shadowm_laptop> this was a waste of time. 20100717 00:22:20< shadowm_laptop> and disk space 20100717 00:22:37< Espreon> Valkier: Oh... I don't know...™ 20100717 00:22:39< shadowm_laptop> meanwhile I'll zero out the freed space in the VM image 20100717 00:22:53< Gambit> shadowmaster: my first startup of gimp just now 20100717 00:23:12< Gambit> could fit twice in a not-the-first startups on windows 20100717 00:23:35< shadowm_laptop> sigh, Debian lenny is faster on a VM because there's no HDD I/O overhead. 20100717 00:23:45< shadowm_laptop> I wish solid state drivers sucked less. 20100717 00:23:48< shadowm_laptop> *drives 20100717 00:23:50< Gambit> I really do hope this "switching to linux for good" thing works out 20100717 00:24:02< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: Indeed.... 20100717 00:24:40-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20100717 00:24:47< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: fendrin uses one... but... that's just him. 20100717 00:24:52< shadowm_laptop> gaaaah. 20100717 00:25:00< shadowm_laptop> it needs to unmount the filesystem first. 20100717 00:25:19< shadowm_laptop> okay, I guess I can do this by mounting it on the kubuntu VM 20100717 00:25:27< shadowm_laptop> *attaching it 20100717 00:25:35< fendrin> Espreon: ? 20100717 00:25:43< shadowm_laptop> if kubuntu doesn't have zerofree...yeahz. 20100717 00:26:05< fendrin> shadowm_laptop: My ssd is totaly suck free. I just love it. 20100717 00:26:20< shadowm_laptop> are you sure it'll not die within a few years due to using a journalled filesystem? 20100717 00:26:30< shadowm_laptop> or massive file operations 20100717 00:26:36< fendrin> shadowm_laptop: Sure it will die in a few years. 20100717 00:26:46< shadowm_laptop> *less than 3 years 20100717 00:27:03< fendrin> That is fine. In 3 years it will be worth about 20 euro. 20100717 00:30:57-!- Gambit [~quassel@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [] 20100717 00:31:32-!- Gambit [~quassel@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 00:31:52< shadowm_laptop> greycore, where are youuuuu? 20100717 00:32:00-!- Gambit is now known as Guest31607 20100717 00:32:09< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: It's under the truck with Mew! 20100717 00:32:17< shadowm_laptop> I found the laptop 20100717 00:32:25< shadowm_laptop> now where did i leave the power cord 20100717 00:32:58-!- Guest31607 is now known as Gambit 20100717 00:32:58< Espreon> ... look under the truck... 20100717 00:33:31< shadowm_laptop> ah, it was behind the speakers 20100717 00:34:36< shadowm_laptop> okay, now on to the resurrection of greycore 20100717 00:34:59< shadowm_laptop> for frogatto! 20100717 00:36:14< shadowm_laptop> hm 20100717 00:36:19< shadowm_laptop> maybe it ran out of charge 20100717 00:37:08< Aethaeryn> shadowm_laptop: are all your computers called *core? 20100717 00:37:15< shadowm_laptop> at the moment, yes 20100717 00:37:24< shadowm_laptop> blackcore is the desktop 20100717 00:37:25< PetePorty> no wesnoth twitter? 20100717 00:37:33< shadowm_laptop> greycore is the old Acer laptop 20100717 00:37:34< Aethaeryn> shadowm_laptop: Is that just an excuse to have a hardcore and a softcore? 20100717 00:37:34< PetePorty> *that* is weird... 20100717 00:37:41< shadowm_laptop> bluecore is my current HP laptop 20100717 00:37:54< shadowm_laptop> Aethaeryn: no, they are generally named after colors. 20100717 00:37:56< shadowm_laptop> except for the VMs. 20100717 00:39:11< shadowm_laptop> core351 (NT 3.5.1), core31 (NT 3.1), core50 (win2k), core51 (winxp), core95 (Win95b), core98 (Win98SE), core7 (Win7), core6 (WinVista), core5 (Debian lenny), corek201004 (Kubuntu 2010.04) 20100717 00:39:30< shadowm_laptop> suncore (OpenSolaris 2009.06) 20100717 00:39:44< shadowm_laptop> greencore (openSUSE 11.2) 20100717 00:40:02< PetePorty> anyone wanna play conquest? 20100717 00:40:06< Espreon> No... 20100717 00:40:09< shadowm_laptop> dslcore (Damn Small Linux 4) 20100717 00:40:24< shadowm_laptop> Aethaeryn: that's it. 20100717 00:40:33< Aethaeryn> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hlfs/ 20100717 00:40:37< Aethaeryn> shadowm_laptop: ^ that can be your hardcore 20100717 00:40:40-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 00:40:51< shadowm_laptop> I WON'T HAVE A HARDCORE OR SOFTCORE 20100717 00:41:01< Aethaeryn> but there is a distro that has "hardened" in its name. 20100717 00:41:04< Valkier> I'll give you hardcore. 20100717 00:42:02< shadowm_laptop> o_O 20100717 00:42:08< shadowm_laptop> it'd seem greycore's battery died 20100717 00:42:19< shadowm_laptop> it shut down instantly after starting up 20100717 00:43:20< shadowm_laptop> it'll be hard to turn it on without giving myself an electric discharge 20100717 00:44:32< shadowm_laptop> phew, one 20100717 00:44:34< shadowm_laptop> *done 20100717 00:45:13< shadowm_laptop> greycore running again 20100717 00:45:19< shadowm_laptop> uptime: 560 days, 12:23 20100717 00:46:24< shadowm_laptop> proving Debian lenny's stability as always 20100717 00:47:13< shadowm_laptop> what better oportunity to try my new 16 GB pendrive? 20100717 00:47:19< shadowm_laptop> (14.9 GiB) 20100717 00:48:20< shadowm_laptop> which is still larger than my Linux homefs partition on blackcore 20100717 00:54:52< Gambit> Interesting. Linux allows Minecraft to allocate up to 2gb of ram. Windows only allowed it 490mb 20100717 00:54:57 * Gambit likes 20100717 00:55:11 * Gambit never minds when his programs eat copious amounts of ram if it makes them run faster. 20100717 00:56:03< shadowmaster> Linux uses a different approach to memory management. 20100717 00:56:07< Gambit> 50fps on fancy mode with farthest draw distance and instant chunk updates? YES! 20100717 00:56:16< shadowmaster> an application can allocate more RAM than it's available if it's in the default overcommitting mode 20100717 00:56:44< shadowmaster> if the kernel runs out of RAM to allocate for tha application, it'll try to page other programs to swap 20100717 00:56:46< Gambit> shadowmaster: well it's only using ~170mb, but it reports that if needed it will use up to 1779 20100717 00:56:56< shadowmaster> if it doesn't free enough memory to satisfy the application, it'll start killing other processes 20100717 00:57:07< Gambit> whereas before it was always using the max ~490mb 20100717 00:57:13< shadowmaster> generally the latter won't happen unless you are running without a swap partition or file 20100717 00:57:40< shadowmaster> in theory, it's impossible this way to get malloc() to return a failure value in user mode 20100717 00:57:56< shadowmaster> it'll always return a pointer to something that might not exist yet 20100717 00:59:57< Gambit> shadowmaster: also you lost me at "swap partition" 20100717 01:00:09< shadowmaster> in Windows you generally have this thing called "paging file" 20100717 01:00:26< shadowmaster> it is used to provide extra memory for the virtual memory system in case you run out of RAM. 20100717 01:00:56< Gambit> ah 20100717 01:01:01< shadowmaster> "cold" or "unused" pages of memory from processes are then "paged out" to swap to make more space for foreground processes which are actively demanding more memory 20100717 01:01:06< Gambit> "virtual memory" in system information? 20100717 01:01:33< shadowmaster> in Windows, "virtual memory" tends to refer to the pagefile space only, yes. 20100717 01:01:49< shadowmaster> in Linux, "virtual memory" is used (more correctly) to refer to RAM + swap 20100717 01:02:11 * Gambit always feels so computer illiterate when he comes to this channel; 20100717 01:02:21< shadowmaster> (this usage is actually more correct for those who know about CPU architecture, system programmers, et al) 20100717 01:02:42< shadowmaster> basically no program (on Windows or Linux) has access to RAM directly 20100717 01:02:57< shadowmaster> programs generally allocate memory which is obtained from the virtual address space. 20100717 01:03:27< shadowmaster> a page of memory in the virtual address space can be a page of memory in the physical memory or swap memory 20100717 01:04:08< shadowmaster> the operating system's kernel administrates memory transparently so no program should need to bother with system memory management ever. 20100717 01:04:33< shadowmaster> unlike, in 16-bit Windows or DOS. 20100717 01:05:19< Gambit> speaking of system information; I can't seem to locate the linux equivilant 20100717 01:05:35< Gambit> I something similar on ubuntu once 20100717 01:05:49< Gambit> but at the moment... 20100717 01:05:59< shadowmaster> for KDE it's kinfocenter 20100717 01:06:22< shadowmaster> I don't remember where in the K menu it is, but you can just press ALT-F2 at the desktop to get a StartMenu->Run equivalent 20100717 01:06:29< shadowmaster> and type kinfocenter in there 20100717 01:06:56< Gambit> I don't seem to have that? 20100717 01:07:01< shadowmaster> hm 20100717 01:07:07< shadowmaster> kubuntu is odd. 20100717 01:07:15< shadowmaster> sudo apt-get install kinfocenter 20100717 01:07:29< Gambit> yeah I'm installing it right now through the softare center 20100717 01:07:34< shadowmaster> I ccan't understand why it isn't installed by default like in Debian :/ 20100717 01:10:00< Gambit> wha <1gb free? 20100717 01:10:08< Gambit> wonder where that's all at 20100717 01:10:22< Gambit> 40% disk cache 20100717 01:10:24< Gambit> ah okay 20100717 01:10:38< Gambit> 25% disk buffers 20100717 01:10:40< Gambit> whatever that is 20100717 01:10:54< shadowmaster> in the command-line, free -m tends to be more useful at memory status reporting since it offers a line that doesn't include the cache/buffer usage 20100717 01:11:32< shadowmaster> to improve performance, Linux keeps more stuff in cache. Note that cache memory is released as soon as a program starts exhausting free RAM. 20100717 01:11:47< Gambit> right 20100717 01:11:50< shadowmaster> another thing handled transparently by the virtual memory manager 20100717 01:11:59< Gambit> what's the "buffers" though? 20100717 01:12:12 * Gambit googles 20100717 01:12:30< shadowmaster> I'm not sure, but I believe it has something to do with the block/filesystem drivers. 20100717 01:13:04< shadowmaster> it seems to increase here when working with incredibly large (multi-GB) files, for example 20100717 01:15:15-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20100717 01:17:16< Gambit> now I need a text editor with addable languages,syntax highlighting, and tab auto completion 20100717 01:17:20< Gambit> also wtf is with this font 20100717 01:17:26< Gambit> you can't tell periods from commas 20100717 01:17:44< Espreon> Kate is nice. 20100717 01:17:59< shadowmaster> kate is a good text editor for that, although I have no idea about autocompletion. 20100717 01:18:14< Gambit> closing tag completion? 20100717 01:18:16< shadowmaster> it's probably...not installed by default in kubuntu either. 20100717 01:18:22< Gambit> maybe I can get dreamweaver running through wine... 20100717 01:18:29< shadowmaster> I've heard of closing tag completion 20100717 01:18:33< Gambit> shadowmaster: and yeah kate is kubuntu's default tet editor 20100717 01:18:43< Gambit> text too! 20100717 01:19:02< shadowmaster> I don't like programs completing stuff for me unless I demand it :p 20100717 01:19:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: Really? Dreamweaver's closing tag autocompletion was really intelligent. It always worked. 20100717 01:19:54< Gambit> </ and it filled in exactly what it was supposed to every time. 20100717 01:22:41< Gambit> well I used to do this in notepad so I guess I can get used to that again 20100717 01:27:52< Gambit> ooor WINE to the rescue 20100717 01:29:56< Aethaeryn> emacs 20100717 01:30:03< Espreon> ... 20100717 01:30:05< Aethaeryn> is the most full-featured environment for coding ever 20100717 01:30:19< shadowmaster> it's a fucking operating system. 20100717 01:30:23< Aethaeryn> You can even run bash through it, and thus run irssi (or vim) THROUGH emacs. 20100717 01:30:26< shadowmaster> what do you need another operating system for when you have got GNU/Linux? 20100717 01:31:02< Espreon> Ugh... 20100717 01:31:03-!- shadowm_kate [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 01:31:13< Espreon> ... ewww... 20100717 01:32:21< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: http://shadowm.rewound.net/kate.png 20100717 01:32:49-!- shadowm_kate [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Client Quit] 20100717 01:34:06< shadowmaster> the chilean ubuntu mirror is horribly slow 20100717 01:36:53< Gambit> oooooh http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-install-dreamweaver-cs3-in-ubuntu-hardy/2008/06/20 20100717 01:39:04< Valkier> Dreamwaver? More like Waste of time... weaver! 20100717 01:39:41< Aethaeryn> All HTML should be done in emacs. 20100717 01:39:51< Valkier> Wrong! 20100717 01:39:52< Gambit> Aethaeryn: good thing I do CFML then 20100717 01:40:04< Aethaeryn> and visualbasic 20100717 01:40:05< Valkier> All HTML should be done like we used to do it back in the day. Notepad! 20100717 01:40:25< Gambit> if emacs had built in ColdFusion RDS support, built in FTP support and auto closing tag completion, sure 20100717 01:40:35< Gambit> but it doesn't have at least 2 of those now does it? 20100717 01:40:51< Valkier> <html> <title> <body> mother <font color> 20100717 01:41:06< Gambit> also you can't hit simultaneously save, upload, and goto your document in a browser 20100717 01:41:08< shadowmaster> fail. 20100717 01:41:17< Gambit> s/hit/hit f12/ 20100717 01:41:24< shadowmaster> color="#AABBCC" 20100717 01:41:40< Gambit> shadowmaster: what an ugly color 20100717 01:41:42< Valkier> <a href="gtfo">Shadowmaster</1> 20100717 01:41:47< shadowmaster> and <font> is obsolete as of HTML 4.01 due to the widespread support for CSS 20100717 01:41:47< Valkier> </a>* 20100717 01:42:11< Aethaeryn> Gambit: CFML is easier than HTML? 20100717 01:42:14< Valkier> Peace yall. I'm outtie. 20100717 01:42:17-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: It's a dud! It's a dud! It's a du...] 20100717 01:42:21< Aethaeryn> If so, it makes you a n00b. 20100717 01:42:21< Gambit> Aethaeryn: It is the same amount of easy. 20100717 01:42:24< Gambit> That's the point. 20100717 01:42:25< Aethaeryn> I just right now wrote HTML 20100717 01:42:33< Gambit> It just fits right into what you're doing 20100717 01:42:34< Aethaeryn> Never had formal training in it, yet, I can write it. 20100717 01:43:00< shadowmaster> let's see if Guest Additions will work with kubuntu. 20100717 01:43:12< shadowmaster> if it doesn't then it'd be really lame since they work with Debian lenny. 20100717 01:43:49< Gambit> who wants to <?php > every time they want to interact with the web server? 20100717 01:43:55< Gambit> or have to echo all their html 20100717 01:44:05< Gambit> that's just bullshit 20100717 01:44:10< Gambit> s/bull/chicken/ 20100717 01:44:17-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+q *!*@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] by ChanServ 20100717 01:44:45< shadowmaster> hint: your arguments are invalid. 20100717 01:45:00< shadowmaster> in other news, Guest Additions work with kubuntu 20100717 01:45:06< Espreon> Yay... 20100717 01:45:17< shadowmaster> now to find a mouse theme that doesn't suck 20100717 01:46:25< Aethaeryn> Gambit: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/5gXFQhXJ 20100717 01:46:38< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Two seconds in emacs, starting from absolutely nothing, yielded that. 20100717 01:46:46-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-q *!*@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] by ChanServ 20100717 01:46:51< Aethaeryn> Yes, I can format it, too. 20100717 01:46:54< Aethaeryn> But that's CSS, then. 20100717 01:46:58< Gambit> Aethaeryn: your point? 20100717 01:46:59< Aethaeryn> I was talking about how *HTML* is dead easy 20100717 01:47:18< Gambit> Does emacs have support for CFML? 20100717 01:47:23< Gambit> Does it have built in ftp support? 20100717 01:47:32< Gambit> Does it have built in coldfusion RDS integration? 20100717 01:47:34< Aethaeryn> Gambit: My point is that web development is so damn simple that you don't need a fancy program with fancy features to do it. 20100717 01:47:47< shadowmaster> just accept that every programming/description/storage/shell language is optimized for different purposes and STFU 20100717 01:47:55< Gambit> that ^ 20100717 01:47:57< Aethaeryn> Any anything with syntax hilighting will tell you if you did the tag wrong. 20100717 01:48:15< shadowmaster> also for different programming styles. 20100717 01:48:21< Gambit> (though some are more equal than others :o ) 20100717 01:48:25< shadowmaster> I like C-like programming and that's why I like Perl, C++ and PHP 20100717 01:48:27< Gambit> [/joke] 20100717 01:48:38< shadowmaster> and why I can't stand WML 20100717 01:49:28< Espreon> ... and we (yes, we are using the majestic plural today) can only tolerate WML... 20100717 01:49:41< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I suppose my point is that you don't need a special program dumb-down programming, especially if it's the easiest kind of programming, the kind they teach you in 100-level classes and high schools... 20100717 01:49:45< loonycyborg> C-like programming is subset of haskell-like programming, when everything is in 'do' blocks :P 20100717 01:49:57< Gambit> Espreon: royal we == awesoe 20100717 01:50:02< Gambit> *awesome 20100717 01:50:13< Espreon> Jeß jeß... 20100717 01:50:17< Gambit> Aethaeryn: html is not programming 20100717 01:50:38< shadowmaster> okay, what the FUCK. 20100717 01:50:49< Espreon> Hwæt? 20100717 01:50:51< shadowmaster> why is Kubuntu downloading updates automatically? 20100717 01:51:00< shadowmaster> why is that the default? 20100717 01:51:00< Gambit> shadowmaster: Because it wants to be like windows 20100717 01:51:02< shadowmaster> WHY?!? 20100717 01:51:08< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Because Ubuntu needs to be a hybrid of Windows and Mac OS X. 20100717 01:51:09< Gambit> shadowmaster: AFAIK it does security updates without asking 20100717 01:51:11 * shadowmaster *headdesk* 20100717 01:51:14< Aethaeryn> Screw UNIX/Linux. 20100717 01:51:23< Aethaeryn> Obviously Windows is more popular and thus we should emulate them. 20100717 01:51:38< Espreon> Jeß jeß jeß! 20100717 01:51:41< shadowmaster> okay, this is AIL. 20100717 01:51:46< shadowmaster> Espreon: shut up. 20100717 01:51:50< shadowmaster> *FAIL 20100717 01:52:20< Aethaeryn> Gambit: and CFML is an obscure, proprietary language... and they're all the same: you need to buy tools from one company in order to fully utilize its potential. 20100717 01:52:29< Gambit> Aethaeryn: WRONG AGAIN 20100717 01:52:33< Gambit> It's not proprietary 20100717 01:52:37< Aethaeryn> ... 20100717 01:52:37< Gambit> It's also not obscure 20100717 01:52:42< Gambit> so stfu 20100717 01:52:43< Aethaeryn> And Flash is an open standard. 20100717 01:52:56< Aethaeryn> Which is why projects like Gnash are so successful in replicating flash player. 20100717 01:53:06< Gambit> Aethaeryn: the language is as open as php or C++ or what have you 20100717 01:53:12< Aethaeryn> ... 20100717 01:53:12< Gambit> Aethaeryn: language != server software 20100717 01:53:15< Aethaeryn> Maybe as open as C# 20100717 01:53:17< Aethaeryn> or Objective C 20100717 01:53:57< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Are you aware there are fully operational open source ColdFusion servers? 20100717 01:54:20< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColdFusion 20100717 01:54:29< Aethaeryn> Gambit: "License Proprietary" 20100717 01:54:30< Aethaeryn> QED 20100717 01:54:40< Gambit> lies 20100717 01:54:53< Gambit> Wikipedia is wrong. 20100717 01:55:13< Gambit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP 20100717 01:55:16< Gambit> "PHP License"? 20100717 01:55:26< shadowmaster> 15.8 GB free. 20100717 01:55:35< Gambit> shadowmaster: on your stick? 20100717 01:55:39< shadowmaster> Let's see after compacting the Debian lenny HD image. 20100717 01:55:53< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, on my home partition on my laptop 20100717 01:56:03-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: esr, fendrin, elvish_sovereign 20100717 01:56:03< Aethaeryn> Gambit: PHP License is both OSI and FSF approved. 20100717 01:56:06< shadowmaster> also, pendrive, not stick. The latter can easily lead to nasty double-entendres. 20100717 01:56:17< Aethaeryn> DFSG is still undecided. 20100717 01:56:24< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: wha? 20100717 01:56:28< shadowmaster> PHP is in the main repo here. 20100717 01:57:11< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: just going by wikipedia 20100717 01:57:16< Aethaeryn> maybe it's outdated, the article is rather short 20100717 01:57:38< Gambit> Aethaeryn: http://www.opencfml.org/display/cfmladvisory/Home 20100717 01:57:47< Gambit> language != server software 20100717 01:57:56< shadowmaster> shit 20100717 01:58:02< shadowmaster> only 16.8 free now. 20100717 01:58:08< shadowmaster> I only freed 1 GB. 20100717 01:58:10< Gambit> shadowmaster: isn't that... more? 20100717 01:58:12< Aethaeryn> Gambit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFML 20100717 01:58:13< Gambit> ah okay 20100717 01:58:24< Aethaeryn> the license depends on the implementation 20100717 01:58:38< Aethaeryn> as in, the open source CFML is no more real CFML than Mono is real .NET 20100717 01:58:41< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~$ du -sh ~/.VirtualBox/HardDisks/ 20100717 01:58:42< shadowmaster> 34G /home/shadowm/.VirtualBox/HardDisks/ 20100717 01:58:59< Aethaeryn> a free partial implementation of a proprietary standard 20100717 01:58:59< Gambit> Aethaeryn: wrong 20100717 01:59:06< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Railo is actually quite good 20100717 01:59:08< shadowmaster> This Needs To Be Fixed™. 20100717 01:59:10< Aethaeryn> proprietary standards tend to have more features than their published features. 20100717 01:59:32< Gambit> I'll actually be switching to railo wants it gets event gateway support 20100717 01:59:57-!- Netsplit over, joins: fendrin, esr, elvish_sovereign 20100717 02:00:23< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Spend about 3 months studying licensing, FOSS, and the legal and philosophical issues behind software licenses. 20100717 02:00:24< Aethaeryn> Gambit: and then come back to this conversation 20100717 02:00:24< Gambit> (which should be any year now...) 20100717 02:00:41< shadowmaster> argh. 20100717 02:00:41< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Or you could learn some CFML :o 20100717 02:00:44< shadowmaster> white on light gray. 20100717 02:00:54< shadowmaster> Gambit: stop trolling. 20100717 02:01:08< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: and you stop feeding the half-troll. 20100717 02:01:11< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm not the one arguing with the only guy in the channel who knows a language 20100717 02:01:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: *+ just for the lulz 20100717 02:01:27< Aethaeryn> If you don't understand what is the difference between a language that's primarily driven for-profit by a certain corporation that controls the main impelementation and development tools and a language that's open (and usually run by a non-profit governing body), then you have much to learn. 20100717 02:01:42< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: would be nice if you read my messages before pressing enter ;) 20100717 02:01:46< Aethaeryn> Not sure on PHP, but I know most non-proprietary languages are like that. 20100717 02:02:09< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: sorry, was actually typing while looking on the other screen 20100717 02:02:51< Gambit> But it's not primarily driven for profit by a certain corporation that controls the main impelemntation and development tools 20100717 02:02:56< Gambit> So good I guess we both agree then. 20100717 02:03:19< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Corporations aren't charities. 20100717 02:03:41< Aethaeryn> Any language pushed by a corporation, such as C# or whatever-the-fuck-they-use-in-Flash... 20100717 02:03:47< Gambit> It's primarily driven for profit by two corporations that control the only working implementation tools and a thousand others that are trying their hardest and might actualyl be somewhere soon 20100717 02:03:47< Aethaeryn> has to somehow contribute to the bottom line. 20100717 02:04:10< shadowmaster> IN OTHER NEWS. 20100717 02:04:22< Gambit> shadowmaster is getting his tooth pulled on the 22th! 20100717 02:04:34< shadowmaster> It seems we aren't having more spambot registrations since I switched the forums to ReCAPTCHA. 20100717 02:04:34< Gambit> Our hearts go out to him. That's going to hurt a lot. 20100717 02:04:35< Aethaeryn> In other news, C# is an open language because of Mono. 20100717 02:04:43< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: AHEM. 20100717 02:04:56< Gambit> kissing disease? 20100717 02:05:31< shadowmaster> I could have switched to ReCAPTCHA as soon as I upgraded to phpBB 3.0.6 last year if I'd known it'd help this much. 20100717 02:05:58< Gambit> Aethaeryn: if that's your standard then CFML is open because of railo. 20100717 02:06:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: what's the difference? 20100717 02:06:06< shadowmaster> AHEM. 20100717 02:06:07< Gambit> nvm I'll just to partway register 20100717 02:06:22< Gambit> captchas must be seen to be blieved 20100717 02:06:34< shadowmaster> or go to https://www.google.com/recaptcha/ 20100717 02:06:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: too late :D 20100717 02:06:51< shadowmaster> whatever 20100717 02:06:54< Gambit> very cool though 20100717 02:07:32< PetePorty> who are the mp moderators? 20100717 02:07:32< Gambit> I made a captcha system once. 20100717 02:07:44< shadowmaster> PetePorty: forum group. 20100717 02:07:45< shadowmaster> clicky. 20100717 02:07:46< Gambit> PetePorty: http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=6651 20100717 02:07:52< PetePorty> thx 20100717 02:08:00< shadowmaster> also in coc.wesnoth.org, which has another MP mod not yet added to the forum group 20100717 02:08:48< Gambit> I just generated 6 random letter number thingers from A-Z, traded them for the actual letters, and then used <cfimage>'s captcha mode. 20100717 02:09:13< Gambit> It stumped me once on hard 20100717 02:09:17< Gambit> so I put it on medium 20100717 02:10:59< Aethaeryn> that's why they use words. 20100717 02:11:08< Aethaeryn> so you can theoretically recognize it even if a letter or two is wrong 20100717 02:11:47< Gambit> Well that would have required building a dictionary 20100717 02:12:06< Aethaeryn> there are dictionary libraries 20100717 02:12:08< Aethaeryn> for spell checking 20100717 02:18:13< Espreon> ... and now to go back to KDE 4.5... 20100717 02:18:58< Espreon> ... but first, let's update mesa... 20100717 02:19:37< Aethaeryn> Gambit: what languages do you know, anyway? 20100717 02:20:17< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Are you going to mock my answers? 20100717 02:20:41< Aethaeryn> only VisualBasic 20100717 02:21:00< shadowmaster> I know Visual Basic 20100717 02:21:07 * Aethaeryn mocks 20100717 02:21:13< shadowmaster> :( 20100717 02:21:23< Gambit> HTML, CSS, JS, CFML, SQL, CSS, VB, a tiny sliver of C++, a little PHP, WML, FML, Latin, English 20100717 02:21:29< Espreon> We don't know any programming languages. 20100717 02:21:35< Gambit> So... mostly web stuff 20100717 02:21:38< shadowmaster> Espreon: I do. 20100717 02:21:41< Aethaeryn> yeah, looks like it 20100717 02:21:54< Aethaeryn> Gambit: so your interests are in the tubes that fuel modern infrastructure? 20100717 02:22:01< Espreon> shadowmaster: I was using the majestic plural. 20100717 02:22:03< Gambit> I started learning C++ but then javascript called out to me. 20100717 02:22:15< shadowmaster> Espreon: stop doing that, it amkes you look like an idiot. 20100717 02:22:21< Espreon> Shut the hell up. 20100717 02:22:26< Espreon> I don't care. 20100717 02:22:29< Gambit> shadowmaster: The royal we is awesome. 20100717 02:22:34-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+q *!*@wesnoth/developer/espreon] by ChanServ 20100717 02:22:35< shadowmaster> but I do. 20100717 02:22:43< Aethaeryn> Espreon: the correct answer is "We know WML." 20100717 02:22:51< shadowmaster> I know C++, C, C#, Java, PHP, Perl, Python (somewhat). 20100717 02:22:56 * Gambit thought Espreon was a developer 20100717 02:23:07< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Oh yeah I know a tiny sliver of perl too! 20100717 02:23:14< shadowmaster> no idea whether I can call SQL a programming language. I know a bit of SQL anyway. 20100717 02:23:15< Gambit> Just enough to know that I ought to take it seriously someday 20100717 02:23:29< Gambit> vs PHP where I know just enough to know I will never be able to use it without being sad 20100717 02:23:36< shadowmaster> I also know CSS, and HTML. 20100717 02:23:48< shadowmaster> but those aren't programming languages. 20100717 02:23:56< Gambit> He just said languages. 20100717 02:24:03< Gambit> shadowmaster: What about english? 20100717 02:24:06< shadowmaster> I prefer PHP over Perl for web stuff although I have also developed stuff in Perl. 20100717 02:24:07< Aethaeryn> I know CSS from Wikipedia, actuallyr. 20100717 02:24:10< Aethaeryn> *actually 20100717 02:24:18< Gambit> Perl can make websites? 20100717 02:24:24< Aethaeryn> Gambit: LAMP 20100717 02:24:28< Aethaeryn> sorry, LAMPPP 20100717 02:24:30< Gambit> Aethaeryn: ACME 20100717 02:24:37< shadowmaster> Gambit: Perl can write to anything. 20100717 02:24:45< shadowmaster> it can write any data to anything. 20100717 02:24:50< shadowmaster> so naturally, you can make it work as a CGI backend. 20100717 02:24:59< Gambit> Aethaeryn: actually make that LACM 20100717 02:25:08< Gambit> eclipse -- thumbs down 20100717 02:25:13< shadowmaster> Espreon: I know. 20100717 02:25:25< shadowmaster> you can always unquiet yourself and quiet me instead. 20100717 02:25:58-!- Espreon [~espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has left #wesnoth-umc-dev [] 20100717 02:26:00< Gambit> LACMD 20100717 02:26:24< Aethaeryn> I'm working on C++, Java, and Python this summer. Not sure if I want to say with full confidence in any of the three until I finish my self-studies. 20100717 02:26:27-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-q *!*@wesnoth/developer/espreon] by ChanServ 20100717 02:26:31< Aethaeryn> But, Python I definitely know the most of. 20100717 02:26:35< Aethaeryn> 'cuz it's just so damn easy. 20100717 02:26:38< Gambit> summer is half over :( 20100717 02:26:53< Gambit> I've gotten so little done. 20100717 02:27:06< Aethaeryn> By the time this summer is over, I'll have a lot accomplished. 20100717 02:27:16< Aethaeryn> I'll be half way through my philosophy major. 20100717 02:27:38< shadowmaster> Gambit: of course, I also know English and Spanish. 20100717 02:28:33< Aethaeryn> I know Logic. 20100717 02:28:46< shadowmaster> what Logic? 20100717 02:28:47< Aethaeryn> Does that count as a foreign language? It's foreign to most people. 20100717 02:28:51< Aethaeryn> Especially politicians. 20100717 02:29:07< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: deductive... as for the specific types, give me a sec 20100717 02:29:17< Aethaeryn> very easy to confuse stuff I actually went over in class with stuff we just talked about 20100717 02:29:32< Aethaeryn> Since their names actually seldom have anything to do with what they actually do 20100717 02:30:47< Gambit> I wonder why kde, by default, gives all my .cfm files a "Recycle" symbol... 20100717 02:30:49< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Mostly propositional logic and predicate logic with a bit of modal logic. 20100717 02:31:21< Aethaeryn> I assume that the 400-level course that will hopefully be offered next spring will focus on modal and temporal logic. 20100717 02:31:28-!- PetePorty [~Pete@pc-235-252-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 20100717 02:31:35< Aethaeryn> All symbolic, deductive logic. 20100717 02:32:05< Aethaeryn> I'm taking a class right now, introduction to scientific reasoning, that *could* be argued to be "inductive logic" but my professor is of the school of thought that there *is* no real inductive logic since they're all invalid or something. 20100717 02:32:32< Aethaeryn> Since the conclusions aren't directly from the premises/observations, but rather after a kind of leap or generalization or something. 20100717 02:35:19< Gambit> oh yeah... email 20100717 02:35:27< Aethaeryn> I can't say that I know everything about logic, because I obviously haven't had enough classes in it, but it seems to be the subject that comes the most naturally to me. 20100717 02:35:31< Aethaeryn> With very little studying. 20100717 02:36:23< Gambit> shadowmaster: kmail? 20100717 02:37:27< Aethaeryn> bbl 20100717 02:37:31-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Quit: ...] 20100717 02:37:33< shadowmaster> what about kmail? 20100717 02:37:46< Gambit> you like it. yes? 20100717 02:37:52< shadowmaster> yes 20100717 02:38:27< Gambit> tastes like chicken. yes? 20100717 02:38:40< shadowmaster> uh 20100717 02:38:57< Gambit> strange. kmail and quassel are now occupuying the same slot in the task bar 20100717 02:39:02< Gambit> they're overlayed 20100717 02:39:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: that bad yes? 20100717 02:39:20< shadowmaster> screenshot 20100717 02:39:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: too late I fixed it already by restarting kmail 20100717 02:43:12-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 02:43:32< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=442378#p442378 20100717 02:43:34< Gambit> I lol'd 20100717 02:48:04< Gambit> this is the definition of a bad website: http://www.centurylink.net/ 20100717 02:49:30-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz] 20100717 02:50:06-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 02:55:52-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100717 02:57:33-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 03:10:29< elvish_sovereign> hmmmph 20100717 03:10:39< elvish_sovereign> re-installing xubuntu 20100717 03:11:30< elvish_sovereign> hmm 20100717 03:11:42< elvish_sovereign> another 30 mins of installation 20100717 03:14:36-!- Espreon [~espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 03:14:51< Espreon> ... and I'm using KMS again. 20100717 03:14:59< Espreon> Luckily, it doesn't suck as much as it used to. 20100717 03:16:44< Espreon> Sadly, I still need *Compiz* active for Wesnoth to not sound weird. 20100717 03:20:23< Espreon> Hmmmm.. KWin with shadows disabled works too. 20100717 03:20:34< Espreon> ... and I can actually use KWin now... 20100717 03:21:26< Espreon> shadowmaster: If you were wondering, I'm still using the classic driver. I'm not going to bother with gallium for a while. 20100717 03:21:43< Espreon> Speaking of the classic driver... heh... recent mesa... r600... heh... 20100717 03:22:22< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: xubuntu? 20100717 03:22:26< shadowmaster> you are also using xubuntu? 20100717 03:22:36< elvish_sovereign> i dinno 20100717 03:22:38< elvish_sovereign> dunno* 20100717 03:22:49< elvish_sovereign> I don't know linux at all ;( 20100717 03:23:05< shadowmaster> cookie to the one who can find for me how to see a process' open files in Linux 20100717 03:23:22< elvish_sovereign> :( no cookie for me 20100717 03:23:45< elvish_sovereign> ok let's see if the keyboard works now 20100717 03:23:50< shadowmaster> OH I REMEMBER 20100717 03:23:51< shadowmaster> lsof 20100717 03:23:59< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 03:24:34< elvish_sovereign> argh 20100717 03:24:36< elvish_sovereign> not working 20100717 03:24:45< Espreon> Hmmmmmm? 20100717 03:24:49< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: try kubuntu instead 20100717 03:24:54< elvish_sovereign> i guess this is a xubuntu problem with VMware? 20100717 03:24:55< elvish_sovereign> okay 20100717 03:25:00< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: actually 20100717 03:25:04< Gambit> just try plain ubuntu 20100717 03:25:07< elvish_sovereign> hmm? 20100717 03:25:08< elvish_sovereign> okay 20100717 03:25:11< Gambit> I heard earlier that gnome is like mac 20100717 03:26:09< elvish_sovereign> 700 MB 20100717 03:26:11< elvish_sovereign> *sigh* 20100717 03:26:39< Espreon> What's the problem? 20100717 03:27:08< elvish_sovereign> ahh 20100717 03:27:30< elvish_sovereign> Espreon: xubuntu was not cooperating with VMWare on my Mac 20100717 03:27:46< elvish_sovereign> now downloading ubuntu 20100717 03:28:05< elvish_sovereign> I might have to continue downloading tomorrow 20100717 03:28:13< elvish_sovereign> it says it has 6 hours left 20100717 03:28:32< Espreon> I see... 20100717 03:28:36< elvish_sovereign> yes: MY INTERNET SUX 20100717 03:28:39< elvish_sovereign> ARGH 20100717 03:28:59< elvish_sovereign> oooh 20100717 03:29:01< Espreon> Well, having a sucky Internet connection... really sucks... 20100717 03:29:14< elvish_sovereign> suddenly sped up to 2 hrs left, hmm 20100717 03:29:27< elvish_sovereign> Espreon: Amen 20100717 03:29:54< elvish_sovereign> anyhow 20100717 03:30:11< elvish_sovereign> i did enjoy learning to do things with terminal in mac 20100717 03:30:22< elvish_sovereign> so i thought i'd try out linux 20100717 03:42:54< Espreon> Ah, this is just awesome... KMS no longer sucks over here. 20100717 03:43:09< elvish_sovereign> what's KMS? 20100717 03:43:41< Espreon> Well, it still sucks in that I still have to use a compositing window manager to have Wesnoth behave normally... 20100717 03:43:46< Espreon> elvish_sovereign: KMS = kernel modesetting 20100717 03:43:51< elvish_sovereign> k 20100717 03:50:11< Espreon> Now to finish coming up with descriptions for the elementals so that art can be produced... 20100717 03:51:08< elvish_sovereign> hmmm 20100717 03:55:13< shadowmaster> I wasn't counting with deleted inodes. 20100717 03:55:25< shadowmaster> *on 20100717 03:56:09< shadowmaster> too bad that there's probably no way to download a deleted inode to a filesystem without patching the kernel 20100717 03:57:13< shadowmaster> s/inode/file/ 20100717 03:57:51 * shadowmaster wonders what would happen if the system ran out of RAM with a large deleted file still in use 20100717 04:00:27< shadowmaster> someone's taking the forum games stuff too personal 20100717 04:00:30< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/73-Forum-games-and-Wesnoth.org.html#c24 20100717 04:01:24< Espreon> OMG, comments! 20100717 04:01:25< Gambit> Where has he been anyway? 20100717 04:02:09< shadowmaster> Gambit: no idea, but he should've stayed there 20100717 04:02:16< shadowmaster> (jk, probably) 20100717 04:02:38< shadowmaster> bah, ED has nothing on forum games 20100717 04:03:10< Espreon> Probably because they're not luzly enough. 20100717 04:03:16< Espreon> *lulzy 20100717 04:03:28< Espreon> Remember children, ED is meant to archive lulz. 20100717 04:03:40< shadowmaster> Uncyclopedia doesn't have anything on them either. 20100717 04:03:44< Espreon> ... and have topics on lulziness... and stuff... 20100717 04:03:54< shadowmaster> I guess I'll hae to stick to Wikipedia's knowledge on the matter. 20100717 04:05:12< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_word_story 20100717 04:05:14< shadowmaster> what. 20100717 04:05:18< shadowmaster> the. 20100717 04:05:24< shadowmaster> FUCK. 20100717 04:05:50< shadowmaster> do these morons have any citations on why forum games ARE NOT good? 20100717 04:06:26< shadowmaster> and I wish that the Powers That Be would actually WANT to run a forum 20100717 04:06:52< shadowmaster> I need to find the best moment for bringing up my plans. 20100717 04:08:44< shadowmaster> Zarel is the forum admin equivalent of Norbert . 20100717 04:09:01< shadowmaster> with over nine thousand extra crap. 20100717 04:11:47< Gambit> since when did ubuntu software center have a "simulation" section? 20100717 04:12:01< Gambit> I've been looking for soemthing to waste processing power on when I'm not using the computer... 20100717 04:13:04< Gambit> how did supertuxkart get into the simulation section? 20100717 04:13:10< Gambit> this section is full of games... 20100717 04:13:32< Gambit> ooooh 20100717 04:13:40< Gambit> simulatiion is a subsection of games 20100717 04:13:41< Gambit> -_- 20100717 04:13:55< Gambit> lame 20100717 04:14:05 * Gambit was hoping for weather simulations or something 20100717 04:14:49< shadowmaster> insert picture of Awesome here. 20100717 04:15:15 * shadowmaster goes to work on anAwesome emoticon 20100717 04:15:21< shadowmaster> *an Awesome 20100717 04:17:24< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://www.darwinbots.com/WikiManual/index.php/Main_Page 20100717 04:17:28< Gambit> check out the date on their latest release 20100717 04:17:41< Gambit> even more proof that future time travelers are amongst us! 20100717 04:18:10< Gambit> Weird that 2.44.04 was released 11 years after 2.44.1 20100717 04:20:17< Espreon> Hmmm... I wonder what form I'll have the Thunderbird assume... 20100717 04:27:04< shadowmaster> heh. 20100717 04:27:17< Espreon> Hwæt? 20100717 04:27:29< shadowmaster> @Gambit 20100717 04:32:08< Gambit> note to self, franbot should check the length of a tweet before sending it 20100717 04:33:25< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 04:34:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: kate has built in CFML highlighting o_O 20100717 04:34:26< Gambit> oh no wait... it's using html 20100717 04:34:29< Gambit> but it's working... 20100717 04:34:32< Gambit> perfectly 20100717 04:34:48< Gambit> no 20100717 04:34:52< Gambit> it is using cfml 20100717 04:34:53< Gambit> wtf 20100717 04:35:03< Gambit> tools->highlighting->markup->coldfusion 20100717 04:35:04< Gambit> <3 20100717 04:35:11< shadowmaster> shi 20100717 04:35:20< Gambit> amazing! 20100717 04:35:35< Gambit> I wonder if it's legal to do that. 20100717 04:35:42< Gambit> Oh yeah it is because it's an open language :o 20100717 04:36:01< Gambit> (yes I know he's not here anymore) 20100717 04:36:01< shadowmaster> it is legal in any case because it's just a fucking syntax hilighting schema 20100717 04:36:43< shadowmaster> I'm seeing a matlab hilighter for whatever reason 20100717 04:37:08< shadowmaster> also ActionScript 20100717 04:43:02< shadowmaster> my Awesome smiley is almost eady 20100717 04:43:17< elvish_sovereign> aw-aw-awesome 20100717 04:45:32< Espreon> This is going to be awesome! 20100717 04:46:53< Espreon> Ah, I just love being able to actually use KMS... 20100717 04:49:42< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/icon_awesome.gif 20100717 04:49:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: awesome 20100717 04:49:57< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 04:49:58< Gambit> for wesnoth forums? 20100717 04:50:27< shadowmaster> yes 20100717 04:50:31< Gambit> shadowmaster: while you're in there add the whistleing one please 20100717 04:50:33< Gambit> please 20100717 04:50:41< shadowmaster> it'd not be made in that style otherwise. 20100717 04:50:55< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, 20100717 04:50:57< shadowmaster> Gambit: no,it's animated. 20100717 04:50:57< shadowmaster> I hate animated GIFs. 20100717 04:50:57< shadowmaster> HATE HATE HATE. 20100717 04:51:06< Gambit> we have animated smilies already 20100717 04:51:12< Espreon> What about animated pngs? 20100717 04:51:12< Gambit> you can unanimate it 20100717 04:51:14< shadowmaster> yes, but that wasn't my decision 20100717 04:51:21< Gambit> I just want a "whistling innocently emote" 20100717 04:51:27< Gambit> s/I just want/we just need/ 20100717 04:51:28< shadowmaster> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE 20100717 04:51:48< shadowmaster> Gambit: it needs to be done in the Wesnoth srtyle 20100717 04:51:52< shadowmaster> style 20100717 04:51:57< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm trying to find the one zarel made 20100717 04:52:00< shadowmaster> Espreon: please tell me whether you approve or not of my Awesome smiley. 20100717 04:52:38< Espreon> It's fine... now we just need the desu version... 20100717 04:52:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://orbitupload.com/get/icon_whistle38.gif 20100717 04:52:45< Gambit> phpbb style 20100717 04:53:00< shadowmaster> Espreon: huh? 20100717 04:53:02< Gambit> and the animation is not very intrusive at all 20100717 04:54:01< Espreon> shadowmaster: The desu version has the same eye color scheme as Suiseiseki. 20100717 04:54:18< shadowmaster> red to the left, green to the right? 20100717 04:54:22< shadowmaster> I can't remember 20100717 04:54:22< shadowmaster> (our left and right) 20100717 04:54:45< Espreon> Yeah. 20100717 04:55:11< Gambit> real water is brown 20100717 04:55:12< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=43172&mode=view 20100717 04:55:28< Gambit> actually it looks good 20100717 04:55:41< Gambit> it just totally lacks the poppy cartoonish feel wesnoth has always had 20100717 04:55:56< Gambit> but it looks good 20100717 04:55:56< shadowmaster> ...:( 20100717 04:56:07< shadowmaster> but the sprites *are* cartoonish 20100717 04:56:19< shadowmaster> I think I'll miss Wesnoth 18 20100717 04:56:22< Gambit> 1.10 is going to be the best release ever 20100717 04:56:22< shadowmaster> *1.8 20100717 04:56:40< Espreon> Especially once Project Awesomest Project Ever is complete. 20100717 04:57:01< Gambit> Espreon: aka persistant variables 20100717 04:57:07 * Gambit must look up the proper way to spell that some day 20100717 04:57:23< shadowmaster> persistent 20100717 04:57:27< Espreon> Gambit: No, not that. 20100717 04:57:27< shadowmaster> with e 20100717 04:57:49< Gambit> Espreon: if it's not that then it's not the awesomest project ever 20100717 04:58:04< Espreon> Project Awesomest Project Ever shall introduce many awesome units in core. 20100717 04:58:28< Gambit> oh. 20100717 04:58:31< Gambit> well that does sound good 20100717 04:58:37< Gambit> kalfia + chaos in 1.10 20100717 04:58:40< Gambit> ? 20100717 04:58:45< elvish_sovereign> oh yeah 20100717 04:58:55< Espreon> Well, I'm not sure if Chaos will be added to core... probably not... 20100717 04:58:56< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: yes I read your blog :D 20100717 04:59:04< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 04:59:05< Gambit> Espreon: aren't they going in UtBS? 20100717 04:59:08< Espreon> Yes. 20100717 04:59:20< Espreon> But, I'm talking about different units... 20100717 04:59:26< Gambit> okay core to me means that when I use it, people don't need to download my addon to play 20100717 04:59:30< elvish_sovereign> well, cool 20100717 04:59:35< elvish_sovereign> exactly 20100717 04:59:38< Gambit> default == part of core 20100717 04:59:45< Gambit> not other way round 20100717 04:59:45< elvish_sovereign> i hate dependencies 20100717 04:59:52< Gambit> Espreon: so what units? :D 20100717 05:00:05< Gambit> Awesome ones I hope 20100717 05:00:12< shadowmaster> Gambit: default != part of core 20100717 05:00:13< elvish_sovereign> of course xD 20100717 05:00:19< elvish_sovereign> ? 20100717 05:00:20< Gambit> shadowmaster: yes it is 20100717 05:00:22< elvish_sovereign> really? 20100717 05:00:23< shadowmaster> there are units in core that are not in the Default era 20100717 05:00:30< Gambit> exactly 20100717 05:00:33< shadowmaster> Elder MAge, for example 20100717 05:00:37< elvish_sovereign> but all units in default are in core 20100717 05:00:37< Gambit> so default is the smaller piece 20100717 05:00:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: :P 20100717 05:00:43< shadowmaster> *Mage 20100717 05:00:50< Espreon> Gambit: I don't think that I should reveal things yet... 20100717 05:00:53< shadowmaster> Default is a subset of Core. 20100717 05:00:56< elvish_sovereign> awwww 20100717 05:01:02< Gambit> shadowmaster: is what I said 20100717 05:01:05< Gambit> default is part of core 20100717 05:01:06< elvish_sovereign> well i'll wait patiently 20100717 05:01:07< Gambit> a piece 20100717 05:01:09< Gambit> a slice 20100717 05:01:10< Gambit> a fraction 20100717 05:01:24< elvish_sovereign> i.e. default is core, but core is not default 20100717 05:01:32< Gambit> yeah like that 20100717 05:01:35< shadowmaster> Gambit: my statement is more elegant than yours. 20100717 05:01:41 * Gambit makes pie chart 20100717 05:01:43< elvish_sovereign> i lol'd 20100717 05:01:51< shadowmaster> 23:00:53 <shadowmaster> Default is a subset of Core. 20100717 05:02:01< Espreon> shadowmaster: Well, you are much better than he... so... yeahz... 20100717 05:02:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: Oh yeah? Well yo mamma is more elegant! 20100717 05:02:07< shadowmaster> 22:59:37 <Gambit> default == part of core 20100717 05:02:08< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 05:02:18< Gambit> default < core 20100717 05:02:22< shadowmaster> Gambit: that's supposed to be a Good Thing™. 20100717 05:02:24< Gambit> shadowmaster: better? 20100717 05:02:31< shadowmaster> no. 20100717 05:02:39< shadowmaster> use the actual subset symbol or word. 20100717 05:02:40< elvish_sovereign> you two.. 20100717 05:02:41< elvish_sovereign> lol 20100717 05:02:47< shadowmaster> < is no subset symbol 20100717 05:02:51< Gambit> There's a symbol for subset? 20100717 05:02:56< shadowmaster> yes 20100717 05:02:58< Gambit> Not in any language I've used 20100717 05:03:02< elvish_sovereign> math! 20100717 05:03:14< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subset 20100717 05:03:18< elvish_sovereign> default < = core 20100717 05:03:33< Gambit> <cfif "#default#" LTE "#core#"> works out to be true :o 20100717 05:03:41< shadowmaster> A ⊆ B 20100717 05:03:48< shadowmaster> so Default ⊆ Core 20100717 05:03:49< Gambit> shadowmaster: my keyboard isn't as cool as yours 20100717 05:03:50< elvish_sovereign> hmm 20100717 05:03:52< elvish_sovereign> lol 20100717 05:03:57< elvish_sovereign> me niehter 20100717 05:04:01< elvish_sovereign> wha? 20100717 05:04:01< Espreon> Gambit: Emulate a compose key, noob. 20100717 05:04:03< elvish_sovereign> me neither 20100717 05:04:07< Gambit> We can't all have multimillion dollar keyboards! 20100717 05:04:12< elvish_sovereign> immanoob 20100717 05:04:13< shadowmaster> Espreon: actually, I copy-pasted. 20100717 05:04:19< Espreon> In reality, we all have normal keyboards. 20100717 05:04:26< Espreon> Right, shadowmaster? 20100717 05:04:27< shadowmaster> I have no idea if it's possible to make a subset symbol with compose 20100717 05:04:31< Gambit> Espreon: shadowmaster doesn't exist in reality. 20100717 05:04:42< Espreon> shadowmaster: You can create your own combinations. 20100717 05:04:45< Gambit> He is only an entity in the Matrix. 20100717 05:04:46< shadowmaster> In reality... 20100717 05:04:51< shadowmaster> I am .... 20100717 05:04:55< Gambit> not bald! 20100717 05:05:07< shadowmaster> Hello. 20100717 05:05:17< shadowmaster> My name is Ignacio R. Morelle. 20100717 05:05:21-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 05:05:25< shadowmaster> You killed my father. 20100717 05:05:27< Espreon> Gambit: Do you wanna be cool? 20100717 05:05:31< elvish_sovereign> no 20100717 05:05:33< shadowmaster> Prepare to die. 20100717 05:05:39< elvish_sovereign> ahh! 20100717 05:05:48< Gambit> No Ignacio. I *am* your father. 20100717 05:05:48 * elvish_sovereign pulls his knife out in defense. 20100717 05:05:52 * shadowmaster stabs elvish_sovereign 20100717 05:05:55< elvish_sovereign> . 20100717 05:06:03 * elvish_sovereign stabs shadowmaster back 20100717 05:06:09< shadowmaster> gaaa 20100717 05:06:14 * elvish_sovereign calls in his orcish allies 20100717 05:06:20< elvish_sovereign> attack! 20100717 05:06:31< elvish_sovereign> ok 20100717 05:06:33< elvish_sovereign> i'll stop 20100717 05:06:33< Gambit> shadowmaster: And Espreon is your sister. 20100717 05:06:34< shadowmaster> afk 20100717 05:06:41 * Espreon summons the Wesnoth-UMC-Dev project's Shaxthal guards 20100717 05:06:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: And the empire will be defeated by ewoks. 20100717 05:06:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: And the force? Well that's just microscopic organisms in your blood stream called medichlorians. 20100717 05:07:00< Espreon> Gambit: Either leave or die... 20100717 05:07:04< Espreon> Not funny... 20100717 05:07:06< shadowmaster> Gambit: we have Na'vi. 20100717 05:07:21< shadowmaster> They are cooler than ewoks. 20100717 05:07:37< shadowmaster> and they can destroy FUCKING MECHA WITH ARROWS! 20100717 05:07:41< shadowmaster> :p 20100717 05:08:11< elvish_sovereign> ooopf 20100717 05:08:22< elvish_sovereign> taking forever with the ubuntu install 20100717 05:08:41< Gambit> ewww avatar fan! 20100717 05:08:43< Gambit> kill it! 20100717 05:09:01< Gambit> (just kidding) 20100717 05:09:05< Gambit> decent movie was decent 20100717 05:09:23 * elvish_sovereign squeezes himself in the corner and makes himself comfortable to watch the oncoming bloodshed. 20100717 05:10:38< elvish_sovereign> ubuntu is starting up! 20100717 05:12:50< Gambit> night 20100717 05:12:59< elvish_sovereign> argh! 20100717 05:13:07< elvish_sovereign> keyboard still isn't working! 20100717 05:13:08-!- Gambit [~quassel@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Do you worry that you're not liked? How long till you break?] 20100717 05:13:16< elvish_sovereign> hmmm 20100717 05:13:18< elvish_sovereign> -_- 20100717 05:13:43< shadowmaster> no, it wasn't decent. 20100717 05:13:58< shadowmaster> the story sucked. 20100717 05:14:04< shadowmaster> CGI: awesome. 20100717 05:14:10< shadowmaster> but the story sucked. 20100717 05:16:55< Espreon> Screw it: large hawk -> massive condor -> ginormous dinosaury God-knows-what. 20100717 05:17:17< elvish_sovereign> OH I GET IT 20100717 05:17:27< elvish_sovereign> the reason it didn't work 20100717 05:17:35< elvish_sovereign> i need to update it 20100717 05:17:37< elvish_sovereign> gosh 20100717 05:18:12< Espreon> Meh, nah, I have no idea what to do for the L2 stage. 20100717 05:18:21< Espreon> If only esr were around... 20100717 05:19:51< Espreon> Would someone help me? I kinda want to get this done by tonight so that I can give this crap to rhyging really soon... 20100717 05:22:05< Espreon> elvish_sovereign: Please? 20100717 05:22:16< elvish_sovereign> hmm? 20100717 05:22:18< elvish_sovereign> what? 20100717 05:22:25< elvish_sovereign> ahh 20100717 05:22:27< elvish_sovereign> names? 20100717 05:22:43< elvish_sovereign> hmmm 20100717 05:22:59< elvish_sovereign> what kind of attack does it have? 20100717 05:23:04< elvish_sovereign> dive? 20100717 05:23:06< elvish_sovereign> claws? 20100717 05:23:10< elvish_sovereign> beak? 20100717 05:23:21< Espreon> Fulgurite beak, fulgurite shower, and lightning. 20100717 05:23:30< elvish_sovereign> wha? 20100717 05:23:32< elvish_sovereign> okay... 20100717 05:23:44 * elvish_sovereign needs to look up Fulgurite 20100717 05:24:05< elvish_sovereign> so it's kind of a thunderbird? 20100717 05:24:16< elvish_sovereign> s/of/of like/ 20100717 05:25:01< elvish_sovereign> let's see 20100717 05:25:08< elvish_sovereign> thunderbird? 20100717 05:25:12< elvish_sovereign> firebird? 20100717 05:25:43< elvish_sovereign> [something] eagle? 20100717 05:25:46< Espreon> No, it goes like this: Shockbird -> Stormbird -> Thunderbird 20100717 05:25:54< Espreon> I just need an idea of what the stormbird would be. 20100717 05:25:58< elvish_sovereign> oh 20100717 05:26:13< elvish_sovereign> firebird? 20100717 05:26:17< elvish_sovereign> umm 20100717 05:26:32< elvish_sovereign> electric bird? 20100717 05:26:41< elvish_sovereign> i'm not that good with names 20100717 05:26:44< Espreon> I don't need names. 20100717 05:26:53< elvish_sovereign> you know what i mean 20100717 05:27:03< elvish_sovereign> i'm thinking 20100717 05:27:36< elvish_sovereign> lightning hawk definitely sounds cool 20100717 05:27:57< elvish_sovereign> Shockbird -> Thunderbird -> Lightning Hawk? 20100717 05:28:00< elvish_sovereign> dunno 20100717 05:28:04 * Espreon facepalms 20100717 05:28:14 * elvish_sovereign hides in the corner 20100717 05:28:15< Espreon> I don't need names... 20100717 05:28:16< elvish_sovereign> sorry 20100717 05:28:33< elvish_sovereign> wait, what exactly do you need? 20100717 05:28:41< elvish_sovereign> i'm starting to get confused 20100717 05:29:03< Espreon> So far, I have this: large hawk (Shockbird) -> ? (Stormbird) -> ginormous dinosaury God-knows-what (Thunderbird). 20100717 05:29:50< elvish_sovereign> hmmmm 20100717 05:29:55< elvish_sovereign> ..... 20100717 05:31:41< elvish_sovereign> uhhhhh 20100717 05:33:21-!- elvish_sovereign [~elvish_so@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for Mac - client quit] 20100717 05:33:26< Espreon> ... 20100717 05:33:33-!- elvish_sovereign [~elvish_so@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 05:33:43< elvish_sovereign> gosh colloquy 20100717 05:34:02< elvish_sovereign> Espreon: I'm not really sure 20100717 05:35:06< Espreon> Damn it, I'll have to wait for esr. 20100717 05:35:16< elvish_sovereign> sorry 20100717 05:35:27< elvish_sovereign> imma numbers guys 20100717 05:35:34< elvish_sovereign> guy* 20100717 05:35:55< Espreon> Feh, you children and your math... 20100717 05:36:02< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 05:36:13< elvish_sovereign> pathetic, isn't it? 20100717 05:36:35< Espreon> Jeß jeß... 20100717 05:43:12< elvish_sovereign> ok gotta 20100717 05:43:13< elvish_sovereign> go 20100717 05:43:16< elvish_sovereign> see ya all 20100717 05:43:19-!- elvish_sovereign [~elvish_so@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: elvish_sovereign] 20100717 05:43:19< Espreon> Bye. 20100717 05:56:33<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7415 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/docs/elementals: TSL: Shockbird line info... name changes... 20100717 06:29:40< Espreon> Hmmmm... I wonder where I put that MS Office installation disc... 20100717 06:33:41< Espreon> Hmmmm... if only I wrote down the key... 20100717 06:33:49< Espreon> I could have just used that ISO... 20100717 07:15:35-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 07:21:26< Espreon> God damn it, I can't install KDE 4.4.92 due to missing ebuilds... 20100717 07:26:17< Espreon> I guess now I'll just attempt to compile mupen64plus... IDK... 20100717 07:32:50-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100717 07:52:57< Espreon> Well, byez for nowz... 20100717 07:56:16-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 08:06:54< Valkier> http://www.vidzshare.net/videos/6ynfNfCqLlo/twins-bathroom-mirror-prank-funny.html 20100717 08:21:07< Valkier> shadowmaster: The forums? But why! 20100717 08:22:16< shadowmaster> optimizing tables. 20100717 08:22:32< shadowmaster> it hasn't been done in ages. 20100717 08:22:39< Valkier> Ahh 20100717 08:22:55< Valkier> How am I supposed to post my horrible scribbles now? 20100717 08:23:15< shadowmaster> it won't take very long. 20100717 08:23:25< shadowmaster> at least no more than an hour since I'll also regenerate some stuff 20100717 08:23:32< Valkier> ahh 20100717 08:23:42< Valkier> Run an anti douche script on it too. 20100717 08:23:51< Valkier> We could stand to be rid of a few. 20100717 08:24:26< shadowmaster> actully... 20100717 08:24:34< shadowmaster> nah, I'll not regenerate that stuff. 20100717 08:24:55< Valkier> I don't even know what that word means in relation to boards. 20100717 08:25:09< shadowmaster> go back to business.. 20100717 08:25:16< shadowmaster> nothing more to see here 20100717 08:25:23< Valkier> Lies! 20100717 08:25:32< Valkier> Just for that, no naked elf for you. 20100717 08:25:47 * Valkier is so sick of drawing elves. Especially the women. 20100717 08:35:12-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20100717 08:35:22-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 08:35:30< Espreon> God damn it... where's the desu version of Awesome? 20100717 08:35:56< shadowmaster> I haven't made it yet and I'm probably not adding it to the forum's smilies set anyway to avoid confusion 20100717 08:36:06< shadowmaster> I don't think such tiny details will be visible at that scale anyway. 20100717 08:38:54< Espreon> To me they will... 20100717 08:42:52< Valkier> Espreon: Brofist! 20100717 08:43:02< Espreon> Ugh... the thingy summoned by alt+tab has horrible-looking text. 20100717 08:43:04< Espreon> Hwæt? 20100717 08:44:47< Espreon> shadowmaster: Same case for you? 20100717 08:44:53< shadowmaster> Espreon: this thingy? http://shadowm.rewound.net/thingy.png 20100717 08:45:29< Espreon> No, the traditional one. 20100717 08:45:34< shadowmaster> (bilinear scaling. I could select trilinear) 20100717 08:45:35< shadowmaster> oh. 20100717 08:45:40< shadowmaster> let me see 20100717 08:46:18< Valkier> You guys need to learn to vector. 20100717 08:46:46< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/alttab.png Espreon 20100717 08:47:18< Espreon> Valkier: Hwæt? 20100717 08:47:40< Valkier> Minor details are win 20100717 08:47:42< Valkier> Just sayin 20100717 08:47:46< Espreon> shadowmaster: Meh, mine's arranged horizontally. 20100717 08:48:23< shadowmaster> Espreon: it's customizable 20100717 08:48:56< shadowmaster> system settings, window behavior, navigate through windows 20100717 08:51:13< Espreon> shadowmaster: 'Twas already set to vertical... 20100717 08:51:48< shadowmaster> the font in use should be the standard window text font probably 20100717 08:52:18< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/falcon#Etymology — Lovely... 20100717 08:52:55-!- timotei [~Timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 08:53:00< shadowmaster> hi timotei 20100717 08:53:05< timotei> hi shadowmaster 20100717 08:53:19< Espreon> Hello timotei. 20100717 08:53:30< timotei> how are you doing guys? 20100717 08:53:37< Espreon> shadowmaster: Meh, they're all DejaVu Sans. 20100717 08:53:48< timotei> oh, fonts 20100717 08:53:48< timotei> :D 20100717 08:53:53< Espreon> *some form of DeJaVu 20100717 08:53:58< Espreon> *DejaVu 20100717 08:54:01< Espreon> Blargh... 20100717 08:54:07< shadowmaster> DejaVu Sans. 20100717 08:54:15< shadowmaster> Serif and Mono aren't good for on-screen text 20100717 08:54:27< shadowmaster> well, Mono is good for plain text documents :p 20100717 08:55:03< Espreon> Only fixed width uses Sans Mono. 20100717 08:55:07< shadowmaster> in any case I really prefer Sans Serif fonts to Serif for any on-screen text (you can notice that I use no Serif fonts in my stylesheets, for example) 20100717 08:55:30< shadowmaster> Serif feels...unelegant to me. 20100717 08:55:42< shadowmaster> not sure why since it's supposed to be the inverse AFAIK. 20100717 08:56:01< Espreon> I only appreciate the serifs for "I". 20100717 08:57:32< Espreon> The rest are... yeahz... 20100717 08:57:57< shadowmaster> 02:38:31 <shadowmaster> I optimized the forum and wiki tables and disabled phpBB's checks for updated style files (so they should be manually refreshed if someone makes some edit without my supervision) to reduce overhead a tiny bit. 20100717 08:58:01< shadowmaster> 02:53:37 <shadowmaster> it might be just me, but they really feel a lot faster now. 20100717 08:58:27< shadowmaster> do you think performance improved or not? 20100717 08:58:47< Espreon> I guess... 20100717 08:58:53< shadowmaster> no, don't guess 20100717 08:59:01< Espreon> IDK... 20100717 08:59:06< shadowmaster> please tell me what you feel (if you feel anything at all, otherwise don't say anything) 20100717 08:59:46< shadowmaster> theoretically the latter point reduces disk I/O overhead with every forum view for every client 20100717 08:59:49< Espreon> timotei: In other news, KMS doesn't really suck that much here now. 20100717 08:59:57< shadowmaster> since it doesn't need to check file timestamps with every view 20100717 09:00:02< timotei> Espreon: I don't want to burn anything 20100717 09:00:21< Espreon> Hwæt? 20100717 09:00:26< shadowmaster> in practice, checking file timestamps shouldn't cause a lot of overhead unless the filesystem really sucks 20100717 09:00:45< shadowmaster> or when the system is under unusual I/O load 20100717 09:00:48< timotei> Espreon: well, I sense that KMS thing has bad side-effects 20100717 09:00:55< timotei> Espreon: or that's what I thought 20100717 09:01:08< shadowmaster> the latter could help during the backup cronjobs and units.w.o regeneration 20100717 09:01:21< Espreon> timotei: ... and hwæt exactly makes you think this? 20100717 09:02:02< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/68-ATI-mayhem,-part-X-including-a-trip-to-Wonderland.html 20100717 09:02:38< Espreon> shadowmaster: That doesn't count, for you are cursed with misfortune. 20100717 09:03:05< Espreon> KMS pretty much only brings happiness here. 20100717 09:03:19< shadowmaster> Riveting tale, chap. 20100717 09:03:34< timotei> Espreon: Kernel Mode Setting on radeon cards is still experimental and may not work properly for everyone. The kernel configurations below have it enabled. Use at your own risk! 20100717 09:03:42< shadowmaster> really, isn't it slightly slower than UMS at 3D stuff for you, Espreon ? 20100717 09:03:48< timotei> I want to follow this tutorial: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Radeon 20100717 09:04:02< Espreon> shadowmaster: I really don't notice a difference anymore. 20100717 09:04:05< timotei> shadowmaster: I don't care about 3d. windows is for 3d 20100717 09:04:07< shadowmaster> timotei: believe it or not, Debian and Ubuntu and openSUSE want to go with KMS as the default mode of operation for Radeon controllers 20100717 09:04:18< Espreon> timotei: ... and I followed that same tutorial.. 20100717 09:04:29< shadowmaster> also, "windows is for 3d"???? 20100717 09:04:33< shadowmaster> what about frogatto? 20100717 09:04:34< shadowmaster> supertuxkart? 20100717 09:04:38< shadowmaster> duke nukem? 20100717 09:04:42< Espreon> shadowmaster: KMS used to be much slower than UMS... but... something magical happened... and... yeahz... 20100717 09:04:50< timotei> shadowmaster: I was saying, I have windows to play games on 20100717 09:04:55< shadowmaster> OpenGL compositing? 20100717 09:05:11< shadowmaster> timotei: but I was talking to Espreon :p 20100717 09:05:12< shadowmaster> originally, that is. 20100717 09:05:17< timotei> oh 20100717 09:05:34< shadowmaster> Espreon: I guess the Mesa devs fed the source code with magic juice? 20100717 09:05:46< timotei> anyway, I need to finish some work on my bro's notebook, since I've got some git stashes 20100717 09:05:52< timotei> and after that I'll try 20100717 09:05:59< Espreon> shadowmaster: Frogatto runs at full speed, I haven't played that much with KWin/Compiz... and I don't play those other games. 20100717 09:06:01< timotei> hope youtube will work good 20100717 09:06:15< shadowmaster> Espreon: otherwise I can't think of any recent change that'd change things fr you 20100717 09:06:16< Espreon> "Well"... 20100717 09:06:23< Espreon> Meh, IDK... 20100717 09:06:47< shadowmaster> timotei: if you are going to play with KMS you'd be ready to clean after any resulting mess 20100717 09:06:56< Espreon> There was one change to the KMS code in radeon, but... like that's gonna do anything... 20100717 09:07:09< shadowmaster> including eviscerated kittens. 20100717 09:07:21< Espreon> There were a shitload of changes in mesa; even stuff for r300... 20100717 09:07:53< shadowmaster> where the hell is Gambit when I need someone to tell me whether the forums are faster or not? 20100717 09:08:18< Valkier> Well they are? :-P 20100717 09:09:54< timotei> shadowmaster: how should I'd be ready? 20100717 09:10:03< Espreon> Meh, maybe I should have dealt with LordBob before going lazy... 20100717 09:10:07< Espreon> Oh wellz... 20100717 09:11:23< timotei> damn dell live chat support 20100717 09:11:24< shadowmaster> timotei: knowing how to fix stuff from a text-only terminal without X would be it I guess 20100717 09:11:37< timotei> shadowmaster: oh, no problm with hat D 20100717 09:11:38< timotei> that* 20100717 09:12:07< shadowmaster> good 20100717 09:13:31< Espreon> Maybe I should learn how to enjoy my laptop... by not compiling over nine thousand things per day, which causes it to become slow till I give the machine a rest. 20100717 09:15:01< timotei> shadowmaster: when you got on debian, theer was many ... "things-to-setup"? 20100717 09:15:31< shadowmaster> well. not a lot. 20100717 09:15:40< shadowmaster> I mean, the installer asked very few questions. 20100717 09:16:08< shadowmaster> of course I like to customize and optimize my systems to my needs, so I edit a lot of configurations, build my own kernels, etc. afterwards 20100717 09:17:09< shadowmaster> but AFAICT Debian and Ubuntu are truly usable out-of-the-box 20100717 09:17:23< shadowmaster> especially compared to openSUSE. 20100717 09:18:55< Valkier> Espreon: What about Lordbob? 20100717 09:19:13< Espreon> Valkier: He made story art for UtBS... 20100717 09:38:52-!- thespaceinvader [~chatzilla@wesnoth/artist/thespaceinvader] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 09:42:50< shadowmaster> thespaceinvader: you are a troper? 20100717 09:43:01< thespaceinvader> very much so yes 20100717 09:43:10< thespaceinvader> though a lot less than i used to be 20100717 09:43:38< shadowmaster> noticed edits by someone by the name "thespaceinvader" in the BfW article the other night 20100717 09:43:43< thespaceinvader> I made the original BfW page IIRC 20100717 09:43:50< thespaceinvader> yeah tis me 20100717 09:44:09< thespaceinvader> I try to keep the page as accurate as I can 20100717 09:44:50< shadowmaster> yet NRIW is still mentioned 20100717 09:45:04< thespaceinvader> yeah, been meaning to fix that one 20100717 09:45:15< shadowmaster> although I'm no longer sure where we got that one from in the forums in the first place. 20100717 09:45:30< shadowmaster> I thought I had seen it being used by developers around my newbie times (2007) 20100717 09:45:36< shadowmaster> *(2006) 20100717 09:46:32< thespaceinvader> so did I actually 20100717 09:47:04< thespaceinvader> I get the impression the 'it's not policy and never has been' line is something of a retcon, personally, but meh 20100717 09:48:31< Valkier> Don't suppose anyone happens to know what class Sisal is? 20100717 09:49:00< thespaceinvader> avenger IIRC 20100717 09:49:17< thespaceinvader> or whatever the level 2 of that is called, i forget 20100717 09:49:43< thespaceinvader> shadowmaster: is it worth putting up a post somewhere that isn't auto-pruned, clarifying current policy? 20100717 09:52:03< shadowmaster> current policy on what? 20100717 09:53:10< Valkier> thespaceinvader: Oh, a ranger you mean? 20100717 09:53:21< shadowmaster> L2 is Ranger, L3 is Avenger 20100717 09:53:21< shadowmaster> I believe she is L3 20100717 09:53:36< Valkier> He said the lvl 2 :-( 20100717 09:53:43< Valkier> kk 20100717 09:53:47< Valkier> Works for me. Thanks. 20100717 09:53:56< shadowmaster> [side] 20100717 09:53:56< shadowmaster> type=Elvish Avenger 20100717 09:53:56< shadowmaster> gender=female 20100717 09:53:58< shadowmaster> id=Sisal[4~ 20100717 09:54:06< shadowmaster> so she is L3 20100717 09:54:11< Valkier> Rock on 20100717 09:54:14< thespaceinvader> nah, i said she's either and avenger or she's whatever the level 2 is 20100717 09:54:23< thespaceinvader> IOW, she's that line but i can;t remember which level 20100717 09:54:31< Valkier> Ah. I didn't understand. 20100717 09:54:48< Valkier> I think I'll have some fun with her.. 20100717 09:54:51 * Valkier ponders 20100717 09:57:58-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Quit: night] 20100717 09:59:59< thespaceinvader> shadowmaster: put the following in discussion: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/uB6BWcbz 20100717 10:00:34< thespaceinvader> and replaced it on the page with this: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/SyZ1YAgR 20100717 10:22:28-!- AnMaster [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20100717 10:25:29< Espreon> Byez. 20100717 10:25:32 * Espreon disappears... 20100717 10:25:39< Espreon> .. or not. 20100717 10:28:04< timotei> bye Espreon 20100717 10:29:55< Espreon> Silly, I said not yet. 20100717 10:33:11< Espreon> OK, byez for realz. 20100717 10:33:19 * Espreon disappears... 20100717 10:42:26-!- zookeeper [~l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 11:10:58-!- loonybot [~loonybot@ppp79-139-141-141.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 11:10:58-!- loonybot [~loonybot@ppp79-139-141-141.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 11:10:58-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 11:11:01-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+v loonybot] by ChanServ 20100717 11:11:54-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 12:02:53-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20100717 12:30:58-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Never put off till tomorrow, what you can do the day after tomorrow] 20100717 12:50:34-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 12:50:34-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 12:50:34-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 13:19:03-!- timotei21 [~Timotei@193.34.191.4] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 13:21:21-!- timotei [~Timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100717 14:02:02-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 14:07:58< Gambit> timotei21: Hi 20100717 14:11:22< timotei21> hi Gambit 20100717 14:29:05-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 14:30:26-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 14:41:50-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 14:42:26-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 14:44:40-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 14:46:01-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 15:25:07< Gambit> timotei21: Is it possibly to sudo as another user? 20100717 15:25:26< Gambit> I have a kubuntu laptop with two accounts on it. The networkmanager on my little brother's has been disabled. 20100717 15:25:45< Gambit> And I can't fix it on his, and I'm not sure switching to mine will fix his. 20100717 15:25:48-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 15:26:12< Gambit> Actually the file that needs editing is in /var/lib/ 20100717 15:26:19< Gambit> which is global? 20100717 15:26:35< Gambit> So if I switch to my login to edit it it would fix it for him too I guess. 20100717 15:26:49< Gambit> But it'd be easier if there were a way to just run a command as another user. 20100717 15:26:54< Gambit> timotei: Is there a way to do that? 20100717 15:27:05< timotei> Gambit, one sec, just setup my windows :)) 20100717 15:27:37< timotei21> var/lib is global afaik 20100717 15:27:53< timotei21> so: sudo and modify works 20100717 15:28:05< timotei21> sudo = su do = super do = superuser do 20100717 15:28:06< timotei21> :D 20100717 15:28:14< timotei21> that's actually root 20100717 15:28:33< Gambit> Yeah but he's not in the sudoer's file 20100717 15:28:42< timotei> well... 20100717 15:28:44< timotei> just "su" 20100717 15:28:49< Gambit> k 20100717 15:32:23-!- timotei21 [~Timotei@193.34.191.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20100717 16:01:01< Gambit> wesnoth compiled fast 20100717 16:02:04< Gambit> and yet I see nothing with which to start it... 20100717 16:26:22< timotei> hmm 20100717 16:26:26-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 16:26:28< timotei> go to wesnoth dir: 20100717 16:26:39-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 16:52:28-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20100717 17:11:45-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100717 17:12:22-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 17:12:22-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 17:12:22-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 17:48:55-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:00:03< Gambit> Darn. Where's Valkier when you need him? 20100717 18:04:39-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:05:03< Aethaeryn> 12:00:05 < Gambit> Darn. Where's Valkier when you need him? 20100717 18:05:04< Aethaeryn> 12:04:41 -!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:05:08< Aethaeryn> Valkier: You have been summoned. 20100717 18:05:15< Valkier> ? 20100717 18:05:22< Gambit> Valkier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMoQWYNWa4s 20100717 18:05:41< Valkier> Is this more WKYK? 20100717 18:05:43< Gambit> Aethaeryn: yeah that was pretty cool :) 20100717 18:06:01< Aethaeryn> Gambit: summon Blueblaze next. 20100717 18:06:02< Gambit> Valkier: Yes. A white man tries to be racist, but can't bring himself to do it. 20100717 18:06:24< Gambit> Yeah where is Blueblaze when you need him? He, too, would enjoy this sketch. 20100717 18:06:52< Gambit> For that matter, where the heck is Turuk? 20100717 18:07:17< Gambit> And elvish_sovereign? 20100717 18:07:55< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Apparently my magic level isn't high enough for turuk or blueblaze. 20100717 18:13:47< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you have to try #wesnoth-music for Blueblaze probably... he ignores all other channels, even if he's in them. 20100717 18:14:02< Aethaeryn> Gambit: and only a master of shadows can summon Turuk. <_< 20100717 18:14:13< Gambit> ah I forgot about music 20100717 18:14:51< Aethaeryn> I just autojoin all the chans with activity. 20100717 18:16:22< Gambit> I went to this network the other day, and apparently autojoin is considered to be rude. 20100717 18:16:41< Gambit> I was like wha? 20100717 18:16:44< Aethaeryn> oh 20100717 18:16:47< Aethaeryn> I just have a /wesnoth 20100717 18:16:55< Aethaeryn> so I only really automatically identify on log in 20100717 18:17:02< Aethaeryn> then almost immediately afterward, I /wesnoth 20100717 18:17:15< Aethaeryn> since sometimes I might bring up irssi without wanting to be on every chan 20100717 18:17:23< Gambit> Ah 20100717 18:17:41< Gambit> I've only got 12 channels so it's no biggie here. 20100717 18:17:52< Aethaeryn> /wesnoth is only 7 20100717 18:18:00< Gambit> You strange outgoing people with 50+ channels 20100717 18:18:09< Aethaeryn> then there's a handful of other ones I know of like the lobby chan... that are just too active that's too annoying to join 20100717 18:18:23< Aethaeryn> eh, I try to never go above 19 or so 20100717 18:18:27< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Which seven? 20100717 18:18:45< Aethaeryn> alt+1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,q,w,e,r,t,y,u,i,o 20100717 18:18:46< Gambit> I've got 8 wesnoth channels; you're not in two. 20100717 18:18:47< Aethaeryn> or something like that 20100717 18:19:03< Aethaeryn> you're not in #wesnoth-mp 20100717 18:19:04< Gambit> Which means there is a wesnoth channel I'm not in :o 20100717 18:19:09< Aethaeryn> which, granted, was more active 1-2 years ago 20100717 18:19:22< Aethaeryn> also #Wesnoth-la 20100717 18:19:38< Aethaeryn> which ones am I not in? 20100717 18:19:41< Aethaeryn> The lobby ones don't count, btw 20100717 18:19:51< Gambit> Yes they do! :P 20100717 18:19:58< Gambit> Aethaeryn: you're not in #wesnothxp 20100717 18:20:05< Gambit> or #wesnoth-unavailable 20100717 18:20:12< Gambit> and actually I didn't count the lobby one :) 20100717 18:20:18< Aethaeryn> #wesnoth-unavailable? wtf? 20100717 18:20:31< Gambit> Aethaeryn: It's what happens when we mortals attempt to join #wensoth-umc-dev-admin 20100717 18:20:34< Aethaeryn> you tried to join a restricted? 20100717 18:20:34< Aethaeryn> ah 20100717 18:20:42< Aethaeryn> I think there's also another admin one 20100717 18:20:50< Aethaeryn> just for pure #wesnoth-dev developers 20100717 18:20:59< Aethaeryn> Wherever Jetrel hangs out, for instance. 20100717 18:21:06-!- elvish_sovereign [~elvish_so@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:21:06< Gambit> Espreon was in #wesnoth-unavailable for a while. 20100717 18:21:12< Gambit> Success! 20100717 18:21:12< Aethaeryn> Gambit: btw, you summoned elvish_sovereign 20100717 18:21:21< Aethaeryn> Within 15 minutes, so yeah... 20100717 18:21:21< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Yeah I cheated on that one, I checked the forums. 20100717 18:21:22< elvish_sovereign> wha? 20100717 18:21:34< Aethaeryn> Gambit: well, an elvish_sovereign is much easier to summon than a Turuk 20100717 18:21:43< elvish_sovereign> oh yes yes 20100717 18:21:45< Gambit> Yeah 20100717 18:21:54< elvish_sovereign> I summon Turuk! 20100717 18:21:58-!- elvish_sovereign is now known as Turuk 20100717 18:22:04< Turuk> Hello. 20100717 18:22:06< Gambit> :ooooooooooo 20100717 18:22:12< Gambit> Turuk: HEY! where have you been? 20100717 18:22:16< Gambit> Turuk: :P 20100717 18:22:22< Turuk> I was in the military 20100717 18:22:26< Gambit> Interesting, on nick change quassel changed the color assigned to you. 20100717 18:22:39< Turuk> xD 20100717 18:22:43< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen Turuk 20100717 18:22:43<+wesbot> Aethaeryn: Queried user last spoke 4s ago. Turuk is currently here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-dev. 20100717 18:22:47< Aethaeryn> :o 20100717 18:22:50< Gambit> It really facilitates nick change hiders 20100717 18:23:04< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen Turuk_ 20100717 18:23:04<+wesbot> Aethaeryn: Sorry, I don't know of Turuk_. 20100717 18:23:23< Gambit> Last visited: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:23 pm 20100717 18:23:37< Aethaeryn> Dec 18 20100717 18:23:46< Aethaeryn> is the last time Turuk was actually seen 20100717 18:23:48< Aethaeryn> according to nickserv 20100717 18:23:55< Gambit> Last aim logon was ~february 20100717 18:27:05< Gambit> darnit why doesn't java work with ubuntu+chrome 20100717 18:27:09< Gambit> the internets were no help to me 20100717 18:30:59-!- Turuk is now known as elvish_sovereign 20100717 18:31:11< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 18:31:33-!- AnMaster [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:34:25< elvish_sovereign> okay 20100717 18:34:29< elvish_sovereign> re-installing ubuntu 20100717 18:39:58< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: what happened now? 20100717 18:40:05< elvish_sovereign> hmm? 20100717 18:40:10< elvish_sovereign> ahh 20100717 18:40:19< elvish_sovereign> i did'nt reinstall this morning so 20100717 18:40:40< elvish_sovereign> i updated VMWare and now am reinstalling ubuntu, so 20100717 18:40:43-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:54:00-!- AnMaster [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 20100717 18:59:07< elvish_sovereign> ARGH 20100717 18:59:13< elvish_sovereign> i still can't enter in the password 20100717 19:01:00< Gambit> on screen keyboard? 20100717 19:01:13< elvish_sovereign> mac has no onscreen keyboard 20100717 19:01:23< elvish_sovereign> the weird thing is i can enter my username 20100717 19:01:37-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100717 19:01:45< elvish_sovereign> i just can't enter my password 20100717 19:01:48-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 19:01:50< Gambit> elvish_sovereign perhaps the password is invisible? 20100717 19:01:54< elvish_sovereign> no way 20100717 19:02:08< Gambit> backspace it all, type it and hit enter? 20100717 19:02:15< elvish_sovereign> i tried logging in and it said invaild 20100717 19:02:22< elvish_sovereign> invalid password 20100717 19:02:48< elvish_sovereign> i've checked online, and it seems to have worked for most people... 20100717 19:02:48< elvish_sovereign> ? 20100717 19:04:44< elvish_sovereign> OH ITS WORKING NOW 20100717 19:04:51< elvish_sovereign> restarted the app 20100717 19:05:29< Gambit> rofl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8mhbqed8HA 20100717 19:05:40< Gambit> Espreon will ove that one when he gets on for the day. 20100717 19:06:49< elvish_sovereign> okay 20100717 19:06:53< elvish_sovereign> i have to go eat 20100717 19:07:30< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: congrats though 20100717 19:12:28-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 19:19:01-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100717 19:19:27-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 19:19:27-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 19:19:27-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 19:35:14-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20100717 19:38:34-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100717 19:50:10< timotei> Espreon, http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/10/revisiting-programming-fonts.html 20100717 19:52:49-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 19:52:49-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 19:52:49-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:02:44-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100717 20:04:05-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:04:05-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 20:04:05-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:11:24< timotei> Espreon, shadowmaster: ha! I can ALT+DRAG in windows any window D: 20100717 20:11:58< Valkier> Windows is more stable than Linux. 20100717 20:13:09< Aethaeryn> Windows Mobile 6.5 is far superior to Android 2.2. 20100717 20:22:02< timotei> :) 20100717 20:22:05< timotei> Valkier: yes and no 20100717 20:22:12< timotei> windows is much more "used" 20100717 20:29:53< loonycyborg> iirc some other os is the more used one in mobiles. 20100717 20:30:50-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:30:55< loonycyborg> Namely Symbian 20100717 20:33:52-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20100717 20:37:01-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20100717 20:38:10-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:38:19< timotei> Gambit: ping! 20100717 20:38:34< Gambit> timotei: pong! 20100717 20:38:43< timotei> Gambit: what irc client you use on Windows? 20100717 20:38:54< timotei> Gambit: I use a cracked version of XChat and it gives me random errors:| 20100717 20:39:04< Gambit> timotei: Quassel 20100717 20:39:28< timotei> and it works like it should? Sound for higlighting, tray icon only, etc 20100717 20:39:29< timotei> ? 20100717 20:39:58< Gambit> timotei: It's perfect except the logs. 20100717 20:40:03< timotei> what?? 20100717 20:40:09< timotei> html only?:-S 20100717 20:40:15< Gambit> The logs are stored in an sqlite database. 20100717 20:40:20< timotei> oh god 20100717 20:40:25< Gambit> And on windows it doesn't prompt you for a password or username for the database -_- 20100717 20:40:28< timotei> well, I'll compile it myself them 20100717 20:40:31< Gambit> So even if you have sqlite you can't open it 20100717 20:41:12< Gambit> I wish the logs were in html. 20100717 20:41:19< timotei> damn 20100717 20:41:19< Gambit> Actually wait, I'm on ubuntu now. 20100717 20:41:30< Gambit> It should use my system pass I guess... 20100717 20:41:33< Gambit> hurray 20100717 20:41:34< timotei> :)) 20100717 20:41:48< Gambit> So actually I wish for it to stay sqlite 20100717 20:42:02< Gambit> because my coldfusion server can connect to that! 20100717 20:42:09< Gambit> (with a little work) 20100717 20:43:33< timotei> :)) 20100717 20:43:37-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20100717 20:44:46-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:46:55 * Gambit flees! 20100717 20:58:00-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 21:04:31-!- AnMaster [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 21:08:35-!- e_s-iOS [~esios@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 21:10:19< e_s-iOS> So I didn't really get a chance to use ubuntu yet but it looks pretty good 20100717 21:11:50< e_s-iOS> Gambit: ^ 20100717 21:33:37< Espreon> timotei: Uh, OK... 20100717 21:34:11< timotei> itsn't it cool?:D 20100717 21:34:14< timotei> hi shadowm_laptop 20100717 21:34:24< timotei> hi Espreon, too 20100717 21:34:37< timotei> god, it's so hot in here:| 20100717 21:35:12< Espreon> Yeah, that and that article are brilliant. 20100717 21:35:25< Espreon> Uh, Ok... 20100717 21:35:28< Espreon> *OK 20100717 21:38:05< timotei> well, I think I should run umcpropfix on my files before commiting 20100717 21:38:11< timotei> or do you enjoy it Espreon ? 20100717 21:38:12< timotei> :-) 20100717 21:38:31< Espreon> Uh... 20100717 21:38:53< Espreon> Well, if you want do: "umcpropfix && svn propdel svn:keywords -R ." 20100717 21:38:58< Espreon> Run that in utils/java 20100717 21:44:18-!- e_s-iOS [~esios@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 21:56:00< Espreon> Hmmmm, maybe I should give gallium another spin... for teh lulz. 20100717 21:59:29< Valkier> shadowmaster: Are you tinkering with the forums some more? 20100717 22:03:09< shadowmaster> no 20100717 22:05:06< Valkier> Hmm. Everything is going very slowly. Guess it's my connection. 20100717 22:09:53< shadowmaster> no 20100717 22:12:45< Espreon> Now to restart X. 20100717 22:19:05< Espreon> Nope, gallium is still crappy over here. 20100717 22:20:34< Espreon> I'm not going to bother with gallium again until it surpasses the classic driver in every manner or is removed. 20100717 22:20:57-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 22:21:03< Espreon> (The classic driver being removed) 20100717 22:32:55< Espreon> ... and this thing's throwing another fit. 20100717 22:33:01< Espreon> I hate laptops... 20100717 22:34:46< Aethaeryn> I hate irrationality. 20100717 22:35:00< Espreon> Oh? 20100717 22:40:44-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: A day without sunshine is like .... night] 20100717 22:42:03< Aethaeryn> Espreon: I think the world would be a better place if we all just moved to an island full of smart people. 20100717 22:42:10< Aethaeryn> And left everyone else to do whatever else they wanted to do. 20100717 22:42:19< Aethaeryn> Then everyone gets what they want. 20100717 22:43:47< Gambit> Aethaeryn: wkuk sketch in bound 20100717 22:43:54< Gambit> do not attempt to adjust your television set 20100717 22:43:55< Aethaeryn> k 20100717 22:44:11< Gambit> Aethaeryn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anKL-v3fU2E 20100717 22:44:19< Gambit> How would the dumb people get on without you??? ^ 20100717 22:44:33< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I basically just use YouTube for various lectures now. 20100717 22:44:50< Aethaeryn> Life's too short to waste it on stupid stuff. 20100717 22:55:45-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20100717 22:56:08-!- thespaceinvader [~chatzilla@wesnoth/artist/thespaceinvader] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939]] 20100717 23:10:09-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [] 20100717 23:10:36-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 23:13:11-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20100717 23:30:41< Gambit> I miss dreamweaver fixing all my typos and mistakes for me :( 20100717 23:38:26-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 23:55:23< Espreon> Ah, the MS Office installation disc was with the good silverware. --- Log closed Sun Jul 18 00:00:10 2010

--- Log opened Sat Jul 17 00:00:14 2010 20100717 00:00:56< Aethaeryn> esr: Some of this is actually useful, like detailed signal strength. It's not just a toy. That's the most surprising part. 20100717 00:01:20< Aethaeryn> Gambit: do you want us to make donations? 20100717 00:01:30< esr> Aethaeryn: Exactly. 20100717 00:01:39< Aethaeryn> Gambit: or do you want kittens to starve? 20100717 00:01:45< Gambit> Aethaeryn: donations to? 20100717 00:01:51< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Oh 20100717 00:01:57< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Well yes they want tondations 20100717 00:02:03< Gambit> that's just not the of the page 20100717 00:02:06< Gambit> or a keyword 20100717 00:02:07< Gambit> or anything 20100717 00:04:06< Gambit> shadowmaster: I can't find anyway to make desktop icons :\ 20100717 00:04:08< Gambit> irony 20100717 00:05:15< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you mean .ico files? 20100717 00:05:25< Gambit> Aethaeryn: No. I mean a link on the desktop to a file. 20100717 00:05:25< zookeeper> what the heck is this about tricorders? 20100717 00:05:41< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: right-click on the desktop area 20100717 00:05:47< Aethaeryn> zookeeper: apparently, there's an app for that. 20100717 00:05:54< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: Create New -> Link to application 20100717 00:06:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: no "create new" 20100717 00:06:16< shadowm_laptop> what version of KDE is that? 20100717 00:06:28< shadowm_laptop> you are clicking on the "Desktop folder" area? 20100717 00:06:36< Gambit> shadowmaster: aahhhh I removed that 20100717 00:06:41< Gambit> okay I'll make a new folder view 20100717 00:07:15< shadowm_laptop> with KDE 4.4 it's possible to make the whole desktop a folder view like it used to be with KDE 3.5.x and earlier 20100717 00:07:22< shadowm_laptop> but I don't know what you have there 20100717 00:07:27< zookeeper> Aethaeryn, umm, okay 20100717 00:08:04< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: try right click -> activity settings . Go to the activity tab. Change the activity type from "Desktop" to "Folder View" 20100717 00:08:17< shadowm_laptop> if that's not KDE 4.4 then neither of those options will be available, of course. 20100717 00:08:51< Gambit> nice 20100717 00:09:07< Gambit> why would you *not* want the desktop folder to be on the desktop anyway? :S 20100717 00:09:14< elvish_sovereign> argh 20100717 00:09:28< shadowm_laptop> no idea, they got that weird idea of making it a separate widget instead in 4.0 20100717 00:09:44< shadowm_laptop> hopefully after the old way was restored in 4.4 it will be the default again at some point 20100717 00:10:02< elvish_sovereign> Meseems I downloaded ~714 MB for nothing 20100717 00:10:34< elvish_sovereign> argh 20100717 00:10:55< elvish_sovereign> the keyboard deosn't work, I can't even my password 20100717 00:10:57< elvish_sovereign> -_- 20100717 00:11:02< elvish_sovereign> I can't even enter* 20100717 00:11:04< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: ouch 20100717 00:11:09< Gambit> onscreen keyboard? 20100717 00:11:11-!- zookeeper [~l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has quit [] 20100717 00:11:13< elvish_sovereign> hmm 20100717 00:11:50< Gambit> shadowmaster: so how can I make a link to frogatto's game file that actually works? 20100717 00:12:37< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: did you create an application link already? 20100717 00:12:42< Gambit> yes 20100717 00:12:51< shadowm_laptop> go to its properties 20100717 00:12:51< elvish_sovereign> tsk tsk 20100717 00:12:52< Gambit> I've tried various things for command 20100717 00:12:55< shadowm_laptop> go to Application tab 20100717 00:12:58< elvish_sovereign> disappointed 20100717 00:12:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm not that stupid :( 20100717 00:13:04< shadowm_laptop> set Command to path/to/game 20100717 00:13:09< elvish_sovereign> :'( 20100717 00:13:13< shadowm_laptop> Work Path to path/to/ 20100717 00:13:28< Gambit> OH 20100717 00:13:33< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: I know, but I'm in GUI-helping mode :p 20100717 00:13:34< Gambit> also oh that was e_s that tsk tsk 20100717 00:13:46< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yeah I thought you were tsk tsking me for a second :P 20100717 00:13:58< Gambit> but it was elvish_sovereign expressing general dissatisfaction with linux 20100717 00:14:11< elvish_sovereign> nah 20100717 00:14:13< shadowm_laptop> elvish_sovereign: you are a Mac user? 20100717 00:14:16< elvish_sovereign> i've never even used it 20100717 00:14:19< elvish_sovereign> yes 20100717 00:14:31< shadowm_laptop> well, then you are used to being the computer equivalent of a couch potato :p 20100717 00:14:35< shadowm_laptop> (jk) 20100717 00:14:41< elvish_sovereign> i can't use the keyboard on my virtual machine driver 20100717 00:14:50< Gambit> virtual machine? 20100717 00:14:54< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: boot your windows copy 20100717 00:14:57< Gambit> and use wubi! 20100717 00:15:04< elvish_sovereign> oh i have to go eat 20100717 00:15:06< Gambit> it installs and uninstalls like an ordinary windows program 20100717 00:15:11< Gambit> virtual partition 20100717 00:15:18< elvish_sovereign> see ya 20100717 00:15:22< elvish_sovereign> i'll figure this out later 20100717 00:15:23< Gambit> (for us chickens who know if they ever tried partioning a harddrive it would surely die) 20100717 00:15:47< shadowm_laptop> the hard drive isn't likely to die due to partitioning. The data on its filesystem(s), yes. 20100717 00:16:03< shadowm_laptop> although I'd not place my bets on my half-fried HDD that is in blackcore. 20100717 00:16:05-!- PetePorty [~Pete@pc-235-252-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 00:16:23< Gambit> shadowmaster: a harddrive isnt likely to die from installing a DVD rom drive either 20100717 00:16:29< Gambit> but it happened :'( 20100717 00:16:32< PetePorty> ... 20100717 00:16:44< shadowm_laptop> did you smack the HDD or what? o_O 20100717 00:16:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: I have no idea 20100717 00:16:57< Gambit> but that computer is screwed forever 20100717 00:17:03< Gambit> it's not actually just the harddrive 20100717 00:17:07< Gambit> I've tried another blank harddrive 20100717 00:17:10< Gambit> I can't put any OS on it 20100717 00:17:24< Gambit> It might be the port where the IDE cable goes on 20100717 00:17:27< Gambit> or the motherboard itself 20100717 00:17:27< shadowm_laptop> power failure? 20100717 00:17:31< Gambit> shadowmaster: nope 20100717 00:17:41< Gambit> nothing went wrong 20100717 00:17:52< shadowm_laptop> odd. 20100717 00:18:01< Gambit> it just will not boot or install any operating system I've tried 20100717 00:18:17< Gambit> ME, 98, Feather, Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch 20100717 00:18:24< shadowm_laptop> well, if you reconnected the HDD then may be it just ended up in the wrong connector 20100717 00:18:45< shadowm_laptop> normally you'll want the first HDD as the primary IDE master or on the first SATA port 20100717 00:19:26< Gambit> wow gimp actually loads in a reasonable amount of time on linux 20100717 00:19:53< shadowm_laptop> the first startup is slower *tsk* *tsk* 20100717 00:21:39 * Espreon hopes that EVILEST is all right 20100717 00:21:50< shadowm_laptop> 3 upgraded, 36 newly installed, 0 to remove and 276 not upgraded. 20100717 00:21:51< shadowm_laptop> Need to get 64.5MB of archives. 20100717 00:21:51< shadowm_laptop> After this operation, 280MB of additional disk space will be used 20100717 00:21:53< shadowm_laptop> BLEH. 20100717 00:21:53< Valkier> Why would you think he is not? 20100717 00:21:57< shadowm_laptop> I'll just switch to greycore. 20100717 00:22:04-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 00:22:14< shadowm_laptop> this was a waste of time. 20100717 00:22:20< shadowm_laptop> and disk space 20100717 00:22:37< Espreon> Valkier: Oh... I don't know...™ 20100717 00:22:39< shadowm_laptop> meanwhile I'll zero out the freed space in the VM image 20100717 00:22:53< Gambit> shadowmaster: my first startup of gimp just now 20100717 00:23:12< Gambit> could fit twice in a not-the-first startups on windows 20100717 00:23:35< shadowm_laptop> sigh, Debian lenny is faster on a VM because there's no HDD I/O overhead. 20100717 00:23:45< shadowm_laptop> I wish solid state drivers sucked less. 20100717 00:23:48< shadowm_laptop> *drives 20100717 00:23:50< Gambit> I really do hope this "switching to linux for good" thing works out 20100717 00:24:02< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: Indeed.... 20100717 00:24:40-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20100717 00:24:47< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: fendrin uses one... but... that's just him. 20100717 00:24:52< shadowm_laptop> gaaaah. 20100717 00:25:00< shadowm_laptop> it needs to unmount the filesystem first. 20100717 00:25:19< shadowm_laptop> okay, I guess I can do this by mounting it on the kubuntu VM 20100717 00:25:27< shadowm_laptop> *attaching it 20100717 00:25:35< fendrin> Espreon: ? 20100717 00:25:43< shadowm_laptop> if kubuntu doesn't have zerofree...yeahz. 20100717 00:26:05< fendrin> shadowm_laptop: My ssd is totaly suck free. I just love it. 20100717 00:26:20< shadowm_laptop> are you sure it'll not die within a few years due to using a journalled filesystem? 20100717 00:26:30< shadowm_laptop> or massive file operations 20100717 00:26:36< fendrin> shadowm_laptop: Sure it will die in a few years. 20100717 00:26:46< shadowm_laptop> *less than 3 years 20100717 00:27:03< fendrin> That is fine. In 3 years it will be worth about 20 euro. 20100717 00:30:57-!- Gambit [~quassel@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [] 20100717 00:31:32-!- Gambit [~quassel@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 00:31:52< shadowm_laptop> greycore, where are youuuuu? 20100717 00:32:00-!- Gambit is now known as Guest31607 20100717 00:32:09< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: It's under the truck with Mew! 20100717 00:32:17< shadowm_laptop> I found the laptop 20100717 00:32:25< shadowm_laptop> now where did i leave the power cord 20100717 00:32:58-!- Guest31607 is now known as Gambit 20100717 00:32:58< Espreon> ... look under the truck... 20100717 00:33:31< shadowm_laptop> ah, it was behind the speakers 20100717 00:34:36< shadowm_laptop> okay, now on to the resurrection of greycore 20100717 00:34:59< shadowm_laptop> for frogatto! 20100717 00:36:14< shadowm_laptop> hm 20100717 00:36:19< shadowm_laptop> maybe it ran out of charge 20100717 00:37:08< Aethaeryn> shadowm_laptop: are all your computers called *core? 20100717 00:37:15< shadowm_laptop> at the moment, yes 20100717 00:37:24< shadowm_laptop> blackcore is the desktop 20100717 00:37:25< PetePorty> no wesnoth twitter? 20100717 00:37:33< shadowm_laptop> greycore is the old Acer laptop 20100717 00:37:34< Aethaeryn> shadowm_laptop: Is that just an excuse to have a hardcore and a softcore? 20100717 00:37:34< PetePorty> *that* is weird... 20100717 00:37:41< shadowm_laptop> bluecore is my current HP laptop 20100717 00:37:54< shadowm_laptop> Aethaeryn: no, they are generally named after colors. 20100717 00:37:56< shadowm_laptop> except for the VMs. 20100717 00:39:11< shadowm_laptop> core351 (NT 3.5.1), core31 (NT 3.1), core50 (win2k), core51 (winxp), core95 (Win95b), core98 (Win98SE), core7 (Win7), core6 (WinVista), core5 (Debian lenny), corek201004 (Kubuntu 2010.04) 20100717 00:39:30< shadowm_laptop> suncore (OpenSolaris 2009.06) 20100717 00:39:44< shadowm_laptop> greencore (openSUSE 11.2) 20100717 00:40:02< PetePorty> anyone wanna play conquest? 20100717 00:40:06< Espreon> No... 20100717 00:40:09< shadowm_laptop> dslcore (Damn Small Linux 4) 20100717 00:40:24< shadowm_laptop> Aethaeryn: that's it. 20100717 00:40:33< Aethaeryn> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hlfs/ 20100717 00:40:37< Aethaeryn> shadowm_laptop: ^ that can be your hardcore 20100717 00:40:40-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 00:40:51< shadowm_laptop> I WON'T HAVE A HARDCORE OR SOFTCORE 20100717 00:41:01< Aethaeryn> but there is a distro that has "hardened" in its name. 20100717 00:41:04< Valkier> I'll give you hardcore. 20100717 00:42:02< shadowm_laptop> o_O 20100717 00:42:08< shadowm_laptop> it'd seem greycore's battery died 20100717 00:42:19< shadowm_laptop> it shut down instantly after starting up 20100717 00:43:20< shadowm_laptop> it'll be hard to turn it on without giving myself an electric discharge 20100717 00:44:32< shadowm_laptop> phew, one 20100717 00:44:34< shadowm_laptop> *done 20100717 00:45:13< shadowm_laptop> greycore running again 20100717 00:45:19< shadowm_laptop> uptime: 560 days, 12:23 20100717 00:46:24< shadowm_laptop> proving Debian lenny's stability as always 20100717 00:47:13< shadowm_laptop> what better oportunity to try my new 16 GB pendrive? 20100717 00:47:19< shadowm_laptop> (14.9 GiB) 20100717 00:48:20< shadowm_laptop> which is still larger than my Linux homefs partition on blackcore 20100717 00:54:52< Gambit> Interesting. Linux allows Minecraft to allocate up to 2gb of ram. Windows only allowed it 490mb 20100717 00:54:57 * Gambit likes 20100717 00:55:11 * Gambit never minds when his programs eat copious amounts of ram if it makes them run faster. 20100717 00:56:03< shadowmaster> Linux uses a different approach to memory management. 20100717 00:56:07< Gambit> 50fps on fancy mode with farthest draw distance and instant chunk updates? YES! 20100717 00:56:16< shadowmaster> an application can allocate more RAM than it's available if it's in the default overcommitting mode 20100717 00:56:44< shadowmaster> if the kernel runs out of RAM to allocate for tha application, it'll try to page other programs to swap 20100717 00:56:46< Gambit> shadowmaster: well it's only using ~170mb, but it reports that if needed it will use up to 1779 20100717 00:56:56< shadowmaster> if it doesn't free enough memory to satisfy the application, it'll start killing other processes 20100717 00:57:07< Gambit> whereas before it was always using the max ~490mb 20100717 00:57:13< shadowmaster> generally the latter won't happen unless you are running without a swap partition or file 20100717 00:57:40< shadowmaster> in theory, it's impossible this way to get malloc() to return a failure value in user mode 20100717 00:57:56< shadowmaster> it'll always return a pointer to something that might not exist yet 20100717 00:59:57< Gambit> shadowmaster: also you lost me at "swap partition" 20100717 01:00:09< shadowmaster> in Windows you generally have this thing called "paging file" 20100717 01:00:26< shadowmaster> it is used to provide extra memory for the virtual memory system in case you run out of RAM. 20100717 01:00:56< Gambit> ah 20100717 01:01:01< shadowmaster> "cold" or "unused" pages of memory from processes are then "paged out" to swap to make more space for foreground processes which are actively demanding more memory 20100717 01:01:06< Gambit> "virtual memory" in system information? 20100717 01:01:33< shadowmaster> in Windows, "virtual memory" tends to refer to the pagefile space only, yes. 20100717 01:01:49< shadowmaster> in Linux, "virtual memory" is used (more correctly) to refer to RAM + swap 20100717 01:02:11 * Gambit always feels so computer illiterate when he comes to this channel; 20100717 01:02:21< shadowmaster> (this usage is actually more correct for those who know about CPU architecture, system programmers, et al) 20100717 01:02:42< shadowmaster> basically no program (on Windows or Linux) has access to RAM directly 20100717 01:02:57< shadowmaster> programs generally allocate memory which is obtained from the virtual address space. 20100717 01:03:27< shadowmaster> a page of memory in the virtual address space can be a page of memory in the physical memory or swap memory 20100717 01:04:08< shadowmaster> the operating system's kernel administrates memory transparently so no program should need to bother with system memory management ever. 20100717 01:04:33< shadowmaster> unlike, in 16-bit Windows or DOS. 20100717 01:05:19< Gambit> speaking of system information; I can't seem to locate the linux equivilant 20100717 01:05:35< Gambit> I something similar on ubuntu once 20100717 01:05:49< Gambit> but at the moment... 20100717 01:05:59< shadowmaster> for KDE it's kinfocenter 20100717 01:06:22< shadowmaster> I don't remember where in the K menu it is, but you can just press ALT-F2 at the desktop to get a StartMenu->Run equivalent 20100717 01:06:29< shadowmaster> and type kinfocenter in there 20100717 01:06:56< Gambit> I don't seem to have that? 20100717 01:07:01< shadowmaster> hm 20100717 01:07:07< shadowmaster> kubuntu is odd. 20100717 01:07:15< shadowmaster> sudo apt-get install kinfocenter 20100717 01:07:29< Gambit> yeah I'm installing it right now through the softare center 20100717 01:07:34< shadowmaster> I ccan't understand why it isn't installed by default like in Debian :/ 20100717 01:10:00< Gambit> wha <1gb free? 20100717 01:10:08< Gambit> wonder where that's all at 20100717 01:10:22< Gambit> 40% disk cache 20100717 01:10:24< Gambit> ah okay 20100717 01:10:38< Gambit> 25% disk buffers 20100717 01:10:40< Gambit> whatever that is 20100717 01:10:54< shadowmaster> in the command-line, free -m tends to be more useful at memory status reporting since it offers a line that doesn't include the cache/buffer usage 20100717 01:11:32< shadowmaster> to improve performance, Linux keeps more stuff in cache. Note that cache memory is released as soon as a program starts exhausting free RAM. 20100717 01:11:47< Gambit> right 20100717 01:11:50< shadowmaster> another thing handled transparently by the virtual memory manager 20100717 01:11:59< Gambit> what's the "buffers" though? 20100717 01:12:12 * Gambit googles 20100717 01:12:30< shadowmaster> I'm not sure, but I believe it has something to do with the block/filesystem drivers. 20100717 01:13:04< shadowmaster> it seems to increase here when working with incredibly large (multi-GB) files, for example 20100717 01:15:15-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20100717 01:17:16< Gambit> now I need a text editor with addable languages,syntax highlighting, and tab auto completion 20100717 01:17:20< Gambit> also wtf is with this font 20100717 01:17:26< Gambit> you can't tell periods from commas 20100717 01:17:44< Espreon> Kate is nice. 20100717 01:17:59< shadowmaster> kate is a good text editor for that, although I have no idea about autocompletion. 20100717 01:18:14< Gambit> closing tag completion? 20100717 01:18:16< shadowmaster> it's probably...not installed by default in kubuntu either. 20100717 01:18:22< Gambit> maybe I can get dreamweaver running through wine... 20100717 01:18:29< shadowmaster> I've heard of closing tag completion 20100717 01:18:33< Gambit> shadowmaster: and yeah kate is kubuntu's default tet editor 20100717 01:18:43< Gambit> text too! 20100717 01:19:02< shadowmaster> I don't like programs completing stuff for me unless I demand it :p 20100717 01:19:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: Really? Dreamweaver's closing tag autocompletion was really intelligent. It always worked. 20100717 01:19:54< Gambit> </ and it filled in exactly what it was supposed to every time. 20100717 01:22:41< Gambit> well I used to do this in notepad so I guess I can get used to that again 20100717 01:27:52< Gambit> ooor WINE to the rescue 20100717 01:29:56< Aethaeryn> emacs 20100717 01:30:03< Espreon> ... 20100717 01:30:05< Aethaeryn> is the most full-featured environment for coding ever 20100717 01:30:19< shadowmaster> it's a fucking operating system. 20100717 01:30:23< Aethaeryn> You can even run bash through it, and thus run irssi (or vim) THROUGH emacs. 20100717 01:30:26< shadowmaster> what do you need another operating system for when you have got GNU/Linux? 20100717 01:31:02< Espreon> Ugh... 20100717 01:31:03-!- shadowm_kate [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 01:31:13< Espreon> ... ewww... 20100717 01:32:21< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: http://shadowm.rewound.net/kate.png 20100717 01:32:49-!- shadowm_kate [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Client Quit] 20100717 01:34:06< shadowmaster> the chilean ubuntu mirror is horribly slow 20100717 01:36:53< Gambit> oooooh http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-install-dreamweaver-cs3-in-ubuntu-hardy/2008/06/20 20100717 01:39:04< Valkier> Dreamwaver? More like Waste of time... weaver! 20100717 01:39:41< Aethaeryn> All HTML should be done in emacs. 20100717 01:39:51< Valkier> Wrong! 20100717 01:39:52< Gambit> Aethaeryn: good thing I do CFML then 20100717 01:40:04< Aethaeryn> and visualbasic 20100717 01:40:05< Valkier> All HTML should be done like we used to do it back in the day. Notepad! 20100717 01:40:25< Gambit> if emacs had built in ColdFusion RDS support, built in FTP support and auto closing tag completion, sure 20100717 01:40:35< Gambit> but it doesn't have at least 2 of those now does it? 20100717 01:40:51< Valkier> <html> <title> <body> mother <font color> 20100717 01:41:06< Gambit> also you can't hit simultaneously save, upload, and goto your document in a browser 20100717 01:41:08< shadowmaster> fail. 20100717 01:41:17< Gambit> s/hit/hit f12/ 20100717 01:41:24< shadowmaster> color="#AABBCC" 20100717 01:41:40< Gambit> shadowmaster: what an ugly color 20100717 01:41:42< Valkier> <a href="gtfo">Shadowmaster</1> 20100717 01:41:47< shadowmaster> and <font> is obsolete as of HTML 4.01 due to the widespread support for CSS 20100717 01:41:47< Valkier> </a>* 20100717 01:42:11< Aethaeryn> Gambit: CFML is easier than HTML? 20100717 01:42:14< Valkier> Peace yall. I'm outtie. 20100717 01:42:17-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: It's a dud! It's a dud! It's a du...] 20100717 01:42:21< Aethaeryn> If so, it makes you a n00b. 20100717 01:42:21< Gambit> Aethaeryn: It is the same amount of easy. 20100717 01:42:24< Gambit> That's the point. 20100717 01:42:25< Aethaeryn> I just right now wrote HTML 20100717 01:42:33< Gambit> It just fits right into what you're doing 20100717 01:42:34< Aethaeryn> Never had formal training in it, yet, I can write it. 20100717 01:43:00< shadowmaster> let's see if Guest Additions will work with kubuntu. 20100717 01:43:12< shadowmaster> if it doesn't then it'd be really lame since they work with Debian lenny. 20100717 01:43:49< Gambit> who wants to <?php > every time they want to interact with the web server? 20100717 01:43:55< Gambit> or have to echo all their html 20100717 01:44:05< Gambit> that's just bullshit 20100717 01:44:10< Gambit> s/bull/chicken/ 20100717 01:44:17-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+q *!*@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] by ChanServ 20100717 01:44:45< shadowmaster> hint: your arguments are invalid. 20100717 01:45:00< shadowmaster> in other news, Guest Additions work with kubuntu 20100717 01:45:06< Espreon> Yay... 20100717 01:45:17< shadowmaster> now to find a mouse theme that doesn't suck 20100717 01:46:25< Aethaeryn> Gambit: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/5gXFQhXJ 20100717 01:46:38< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Two seconds in emacs, starting from absolutely nothing, yielded that. 20100717 01:46:46-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-q *!*@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] by ChanServ 20100717 01:46:51< Aethaeryn> Yes, I can format it, too. 20100717 01:46:54< Aethaeryn> But that's CSS, then. 20100717 01:46:58< Gambit> Aethaeryn: your point? 20100717 01:46:59< Aethaeryn> I was talking about how *HTML* is dead easy 20100717 01:47:18< Gambit> Does emacs have support for CFML? 20100717 01:47:23< Gambit> Does it have built in ftp support? 20100717 01:47:32< Gambit> Does it have built in coldfusion RDS integration? 20100717 01:47:34< Aethaeryn> Gambit: My point is that web development is so damn simple that you don't need a fancy program with fancy features to do it. 20100717 01:47:47< shadowmaster> just accept that every programming/description/storage/shell language is optimized for different purposes and STFU 20100717 01:47:55< Gambit> that ^ 20100717 01:47:57< Aethaeryn> Any anything with syntax hilighting will tell you if you did the tag wrong. 20100717 01:48:15< shadowmaster> also for different programming styles. 20100717 01:48:21< Gambit> (though some are more equal than others :o ) 20100717 01:48:25< shadowmaster> I like C-like programming and that's why I like Perl, C++ and PHP 20100717 01:48:27< Gambit> [/joke] 20100717 01:48:38< shadowmaster> and why I can't stand WML 20100717 01:49:28< Espreon> ... and we (yes, we are using the majestic plural today) can only tolerate WML... 20100717 01:49:41< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I suppose my point is that you don't need a special program dumb-down programming, especially if it's the easiest kind of programming, the kind they teach you in 100-level classes and high schools... 20100717 01:49:45< loonycyborg> C-like programming is subset of haskell-like programming, when everything is in 'do' blocks :P 20100717 01:49:57< Gambit> Espreon: royal we == awesoe 20100717 01:50:02< Gambit> *awesome 20100717 01:50:13< Espreon> Jeß jeß... 20100717 01:50:17< Gambit> Aethaeryn: html is not programming 20100717 01:50:38< shadowmaster> okay, what the FUCK. 20100717 01:50:49< Espreon> Hwæt? 20100717 01:50:51< shadowmaster> why is Kubuntu downloading updates automatically? 20100717 01:51:00< shadowmaster> why is that the default? 20100717 01:51:00< Gambit> shadowmaster: Because it wants to be like windows 20100717 01:51:02< shadowmaster> WHY?!? 20100717 01:51:08< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Because Ubuntu needs to be a hybrid of Windows and Mac OS X. 20100717 01:51:09< Gambit> shadowmaster: AFAIK it does security updates without asking 20100717 01:51:11 * shadowmaster *headdesk* 20100717 01:51:14< Aethaeryn> Screw UNIX/Linux. 20100717 01:51:23< Aethaeryn> Obviously Windows is more popular and thus we should emulate them. 20100717 01:51:38< Espreon> Jeß jeß jeß! 20100717 01:51:41< shadowmaster> okay, this is AIL. 20100717 01:51:46< shadowmaster> Espreon: shut up. 20100717 01:51:50< shadowmaster> *FAIL 20100717 01:52:20< Aethaeryn> Gambit: and CFML is an obscure, proprietary language... and they're all the same: you need to buy tools from one company in order to fully utilize its potential. 20100717 01:52:29< Gambit> Aethaeryn: WRONG AGAIN 20100717 01:52:33< Gambit> It's not proprietary 20100717 01:52:37< Aethaeryn> ... 20100717 01:52:37< Gambit> It's also not obscure 20100717 01:52:42< Gambit> so stfu 20100717 01:52:43< Aethaeryn> And Flash is an open standard. 20100717 01:52:56< Aethaeryn> Which is why projects like Gnash are so successful in replicating flash player. 20100717 01:53:06< Gambit> Aethaeryn: the language is as open as php or C++ or what have you 20100717 01:53:12< Aethaeryn> ... 20100717 01:53:12< Gambit> Aethaeryn: language != server software 20100717 01:53:15< Aethaeryn> Maybe as open as C# 20100717 01:53:17< Aethaeryn> or Objective C 20100717 01:53:57< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Are you aware there are fully operational open source ColdFusion servers? 20100717 01:54:20< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColdFusion 20100717 01:54:29< Aethaeryn> Gambit: "License Proprietary" 20100717 01:54:30< Aethaeryn> QED 20100717 01:54:40< Gambit> lies 20100717 01:54:53< Gambit> Wikipedia is wrong. 20100717 01:55:13< Gambit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP 20100717 01:55:16< Gambit> "PHP License"? 20100717 01:55:26< shadowmaster> 15.8 GB free. 20100717 01:55:35< Gambit> shadowmaster: on your stick? 20100717 01:55:39< shadowmaster> Let's see after compacting the Debian lenny HD image. 20100717 01:55:53< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, on my home partition on my laptop 20100717 01:56:03-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: esr, fendrin, elvish_sovereign 20100717 01:56:03< Aethaeryn> Gambit: PHP License is both OSI and FSF approved. 20100717 01:56:06< shadowmaster> also, pendrive, not stick. The latter can easily lead to nasty double-entendres. 20100717 01:56:17< Aethaeryn> DFSG is still undecided. 20100717 01:56:24< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: wha? 20100717 01:56:28< shadowmaster> PHP is in the main repo here. 20100717 01:57:11< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: just going by wikipedia 20100717 01:57:16< Aethaeryn> maybe it's outdated, the article is rather short 20100717 01:57:38< Gambit> Aethaeryn: http://www.opencfml.org/display/cfmladvisory/Home 20100717 01:57:47< Gambit> language != server software 20100717 01:57:56< shadowmaster> shit 20100717 01:58:02< shadowmaster> only 16.8 free now. 20100717 01:58:08< shadowmaster> I only freed 1 GB. 20100717 01:58:10< Gambit> shadowmaster: isn't that... more? 20100717 01:58:12< Aethaeryn> Gambit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFML 20100717 01:58:13< Gambit> ah okay 20100717 01:58:24< Aethaeryn> the license depends on the implementation 20100717 01:58:38< Aethaeryn> as in, the open source CFML is no more real CFML than Mono is real .NET 20100717 01:58:41< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~$ du -sh ~/.VirtualBox/HardDisks/ 20100717 01:58:42< shadowmaster> 34G /home/shadowm/.VirtualBox/HardDisks/ 20100717 01:58:59< Aethaeryn> a free partial implementation of a proprietary standard 20100717 01:58:59< Gambit> Aethaeryn: wrong 20100717 01:59:06< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Railo is actually quite good 20100717 01:59:08< shadowmaster> This Needs To Be Fixed™. 20100717 01:59:10< Aethaeryn> proprietary standards tend to have more features than their published features. 20100717 01:59:32< Gambit> I'll actually be switching to railo wants it gets event gateway support 20100717 01:59:57-!- Netsplit over, joins: fendrin, esr, elvish_sovereign 20100717 02:00:23< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Spend about 3 months studying licensing, FOSS, and the legal and philosophical issues behind software licenses. 20100717 02:00:24< Aethaeryn> Gambit: and then come back to this conversation 20100717 02:00:24< Gambit> (which should be any year now...) 20100717 02:00:41< shadowmaster> argh. 20100717 02:00:41< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Or you could learn some CFML :o 20100717 02:00:44< shadowmaster> white on light gray. 20100717 02:00:54< shadowmaster> Gambit: stop trolling. 20100717 02:01:08< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: and you stop feeding the half-troll. 20100717 02:01:11< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm not the one arguing with the only guy in the channel who knows a language 20100717 02:01:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: *+ just for the lulz 20100717 02:01:27< Aethaeryn> If you don't understand what is the difference between a language that's primarily driven for-profit by a certain corporation that controls the main impelementation and development tools and a language that's open (and usually run by a non-profit governing body), then you have much to learn. 20100717 02:01:42< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: would be nice if you read my messages before pressing enter ;) 20100717 02:01:46< Aethaeryn> Not sure on PHP, but I know most non-proprietary languages are like that. 20100717 02:02:09< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: sorry, was actually typing while looking on the other screen 20100717 02:02:51< Gambit> But it's not primarily driven for profit by a certain corporation that controls the main impelemntation and development tools 20100717 02:02:56< Gambit> So good I guess we both agree then. 20100717 02:03:19< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Corporations aren't charities. 20100717 02:03:41< Aethaeryn> Any language pushed by a corporation, such as C# or whatever-the-fuck-they-use-in-Flash... 20100717 02:03:47< Gambit> It's primarily driven for profit by two corporations that control the only working implementation tools and a thousand others that are trying their hardest and might actualyl be somewhere soon 20100717 02:03:47< Aethaeryn> has to somehow contribute to the bottom line. 20100717 02:04:10< shadowmaster> IN OTHER NEWS. 20100717 02:04:22< Gambit> shadowmaster is getting his tooth pulled on the 22th! 20100717 02:04:34< shadowmaster> It seems we aren't having more spambot registrations since I switched the forums to ReCAPTCHA. 20100717 02:04:34< Gambit> Our hearts go out to him. That's going to hurt a lot. 20100717 02:04:35< Aethaeryn> In other news, C# is an open language because of Mono. 20100717 02:04:43< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: AHEM. 20100717 02:04:56< Gambit> kissing disease? 20100717 02:05:31< shadowmaster> I could have switched to ReCAPTCHA as soon as I upgraded to phpBB 3.0.6 last year if I'd known it'd help this much. 20100717 02:05:58< Gambit> Aethaeryn: if that's your standard then CFML is open because of railo. 20100717 02:06:01< Gambit> shadowmaster: what's the difference? 20100717 02:06:06< shadowmaster> AHEM. 20100717 02:06:07< Gambit> nvm I'll just to partway register 20100717 02:06:22< Gambit> captchas must be seen to be blieved 20100717 02:06:34< shadowmaster> or go to https://www.google.com/recaptcha/ 20100717 02:06:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: too late :D 20100717 02:06:51< shadowmaster> whatever 20100717 02:06:54< Gambit> very cool though 20100717 02:07:32< PetePorty> who are the mp moderators? 20100717 02:07:32< Gambit> I made a captcha system once. 20100717 02:07:44< shadowmaster> PetePorty: forum group. 20100717 02:07:45< shadowmaster> clicky. 20100717 02:07:46< Gambit> PetePorty: http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=6651 20100717 02:07:52< PetePorty> thx 20100717 02:08:00< shadowmaster> also in coc.wesnoth.org, which has another MP mod not yet added to the forum group 20100717 02:08:48< Gambit> I just generated 6 random letter number thingers from A-Z, traded them for the actual letters, and then used <cfimage>'s captcha mode. 20100717 02:09:13< Gambit> It stumped me once on hard 20100717 02:09:17< Gambit> so I put it on medium 20100717 02:10:59< Aethaeryn> that's why they use words. 20100717 02:11:08< Aethaeryn> so you can theoretically recognize it even if a letter or two is wrong 20100717 02:11:47< Gambit> Well that would have required building a dictionary 20100717 02:12:06< Aethaeryn> there are dictionary libraries 20100717 02:12:08< Aethaeryn> for spell checking 20100717 02:18:13< Espreon> ... and now to go back to KDE 4.5... 20100717 02:18:58< Espreon> ... but first, let's update mesa... 20100717 02:19:37< Aethaeryn> Gambit: what languages do you know, anyway? 20100717 02:20:17< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Are you going to mock my answers? 20100717 02:20:41< Aethaeryn> only VisualBasic 20100717 02:21:00< shadowmaster> I know Visual Basic 20100717 02:21:07 * Aethaeryn mocks 20100717 02:21:13< shadowmaster> :( 20100717 02:21:23< Gambit> HTML, CSS, JS, CFML, SQL, CSS, VB, a tiny sliver of C++, a little PHP, WML, FML, Latin, English 20100717 02:21:29< Espreon> We don't know any programming languages. 20100717 02:21:35< Gambit> So... mostly web stuff 20100717 02:21:38< shadowmaster> Espreon: I do. 20100717 02:21:41< Aethaeryn> yeah, looks like it 20100717 02:21:54< Aethaeryn> Gambit: so your interests are in the tubes that fuel modern infrastructure? 20100717 02:22:01< Espreon> shadowmaster: I was using the majestic plural. 20100717 02:22:03< Gambit> I started learning C++ but then javascript called out to me. 20100717 02:22:15< shadowmaster> Espreon: stop doing that, it amkes you look like an idiot. 20100717 02:22:21< Espreon> Shut the hell up. 20100717 02:22:26< Espreon> I don't care. 20100717 02:22:29< Gambit> shadowmaster: The royal we is awesome. 20100717 02:22:34-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+q *!*@wesnoth/developer/espreon] by ChanServ 20100717 02:22:35< shadowmaster> but I do. 20100717 02:22:43< Aethaeryn> Espreon: the correct answer is "We know WML." 20100717 02:22:51< shadowmaster> I know C++, C, C#, Java, PHP, Perl, Python (somewhat). 20100717 02:22:56 * Gambit thought Espreon was a developer 20100717 02:23:07< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Oh yeah I know a tiny sliver of perl too! 20100717 02:23:14< shadowmaster> no idea whether I can call SQL a programming language. I know a bit of SQL anyway. 20100717 02:23:15< Gambit> Just enough to know that I ought to take it seriously someday 20100717 02:23:29< Gambit> vs PHP where I know just enough to know I will never be able to use it without being sad 20100717 02:23:36< shadowmaster> I also know CSS, and HTML. 20100717 02:23:48< shadowmaster> but those aren't programming languages. 20100717 02:23:56< Gambit> He just said languages. 20100717 02:24:03< Gambit> shadowmaster: What about english? 20100717 02:24:06< shadowmaster> I prefer PHP over Perl for web stuff although I have also developed stuff in Perl. 20100717 02:24:07< Aethaeryn> I know CSS from Wikipedia, actuallyr. 20100717 02:24:10< Aethaeryn> *actually 20100717 02:24:18< Gambit> Perl can make websites? 20100717 02:24:24< Aethaeryn> Gambit: LAMP 20100717 02:24:28< Aethaeryn> sorry, LAMPPP 20100717 02:24:30< Gambit> Aethaeryn: ACME 20100717 02:24:37< shadowmaster> Gambit: Perl can write to anything. 20100717 02:24:45< shadowmaster> it can write any data to anything. 20100717 02:24:50< shadowmaster> so naturally, you can make it work as a CGI backend. 20100717 02:24:59< Gambit> Aethaeryn: actually make that LACM 20100717 02:25:08< Gambit> eclipse -- thumbs down 20100717 02:25:13< shadowmaster> Espreon: I know. 20100717 02:25:25< shadowmaster> you can always unquiet yourself and quiet me instead. 20100717 02:25:58-!- Espreon [~espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has left #wesnoth-umc-dev [] 20100717 02:26:00< Gambit> LACMD 20100717 02:26:24< Aethaeryn> I'm working on C++, Java, and Python this summer. Not sure if I want to say with full confidence in any of the three until I finish my self-studies. 20100717 02:26:27-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [-q *!*@wesnoth/developer/espreon] by ChanServ 20100717 02:26:31< Aethaeryn> But, Python I definitely know the most of. 20100717 02:26:35< Aethaeryn> 'cuz it's just so damn easy. 20100717 02:26:38< Gambit> summer is half over :( 20100717 02:26:53< Gambit> I've gotten so little done. 20100717 02:27:06< Aethaeryn> By the time this summer is over, I'll have a lot accomplished. 20100717 02:27:16< Aethaeryn> I'll be half way through my philosophy major. 20100717 02:27:38< shadowmaster> Gambit: of course, I also know English and Spanish. 20100717 02:28:33< Aethaeryn> I know Logic. 20100717 02:28:46< shadowmaster> what Logic? 20100717 02:28:47< Aethaeryn> Does that count as a foreign language? It's foreign to most people. 20100717 02:28:51< Aethaeryn> Especially politicians. 20100717 02:29:07< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: deductive... as for the specific types, give me a sec 20100717 02:29:17< Aethaeryn> very easy to confuse stuff I actually went over in class with stuff we just talked about 20100717 02:29:32< Aethaeryn> Since their names actually seldom have anything to do with what they actually do 20100717 02:30:47< Gambit> I wonder why kde, by default, gives all my .cfm files a "Recycle" symbol... 20100717 02:30:49< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Mostly propositional logic and predicate logic with a bit of modal logic. 20100717 02:31:21< Aethaeryn> I assume that the 400-level course that will hopefully be offered next spring will focus on modal and temporal logic. 20100717 02:31:28-!- PetePorty [~Pete@pc-235-252-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 20100717 02:31:35< Aethaeryn> All symbolic, deductive logic. 20100717 02:32:05< Aethaeryn> I'm taking a class right now, introduction to scientific reasoning, that *could* be argued to be "inductive logic" but my professor is of the school of thought that there *is* no real inductive logic since they're all invalid or something. 20100717 02:32:32< Aethaeryn> Since the conclusions aren't directly from the premises/observations, but rather after a kind of leap or generalization or something. 20100717 02:35:19< Gambit> oh yeah... email 20100717 02:35:27< Aethaeryn> I can't say that I know everything about logic, because I obviously haven't had enough classes in it, but it seems to be the subject that comes the most naturally to me. 20100717 02:35:31< Aethaeryn> With very little studying. 20100717 02:36:23< Gambit> shadowmaster: kmail? 20100717 02:37:27< Aethaeryn> bbl 20100717 02:37:31-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Quit: ...] 20100717 02:37:33< shadowmaster> what about kmail? 20100717 02:37:46< Gambit> you like it. yes? 20100717 02:37:52< shadowmaster> yes 20100717 02:38:27< Gambit> tastes like chicken. yes? 20100717 02:38:40< shadowmaster> uh 20100717 02:38:57< Gambit> strange. kmail and quassel are now occupuying the same slot in the task bar 20100717 02:39:02< Gambit> they're overlayed 20100717 02:39:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: that bad yes? 20100717 02:39:20< shadowmaster> screenshot 20100717 02:39:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: too late I fixed it already by restarting kmail 20100717 02:43:12-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 02:43:32< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=442378#p442378 20100717 02:43:34< Gambit> I lol'd 20100717 02:48:04< Gambit> this is the definition of a bad website: http://www.centurylink.net/ 20100717 02:49:30-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz] 20100717 02:50:06-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 02:55:52-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100717 02:57:33-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 03:10:29< elvish_sovereign> hmmmph 20100717 03:10:39< elvish_sovereign> re-installing xubuntu 20100717 03:11:30< elvish_sovereign> hmm 20100717 03:11:42< elvish_sovereign> another 30 mins of installation 20100717 03:14:36-!- Espreon [~espreon@wesnoth/developer/espreon] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 03:14:51< Espreon> ... and I'm using KMS again. 20100717 03:14:59< Espreon> Luckily, it doesn't suck as much as it used to. 20100717 03:16:44< Espreon> Sadly, I still need *Compiz* active for Wesnoth to not sound weird. 20100717 03:20:23< Espreon> Hmmmm.. KWin with shadows disabled works too. 20100717 03:20:34< Espreon> ... and I can actually use KWin now... 20100717 03:21:26< Espreon> shadowmaster: If you were wondering, I'm still using the classic driver. I'm not going to bother with gallium for a while. 20100717 03:21:43< Espreon> Speaking of the classic driver... heh... recent mesa... r600... heh... 20100717 03:22:22< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: xubuntu? 20100717 03:22:26< shadowmaster> you are also using xubuntu? 20100717 03:22:36< elvish_sovereign> i dinno 20100717 03:22:38< elvish_sovereign> dunno* 20100717 03:22:49< elvish_sovereign> I don't know linux at all ;( 20100717 03:23:05< shadowmaster> cookie to the one who can find for me how to see a process' open files in Linux 20100717 03:23:22< elvish_sovereign> :( no cookie for me 20100717 03:23:45< elvish_sovereign> ok let's see if the keyboard works now 20100717 03:23:50< shadowmaster> OH I REMEMBER 20100717 03:23:51< shadowmaster> lsof 20100717 03:23:59< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 03:24:34< elvish_sovereign> argh 20100717 03:24:36< elvish_sovereign> not working 20100717 03:24:45< Espreon> Hmmmmmm? 20100717 03:24:49< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: try kubuntu instead 20100717 03:24:54< elvish_sovereign> i guess this is a xubuntu problem with VMware? 20100717 03:24:55< elvish_sovereign> okay 20100717 03:25:00< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: actually 20100717 03:25:04< Gambit> just try plain ubuntu 20100717 03:25:07< elvish_sovereign> hmm? 20100717 03:25:08< elvish_sovereign> okay 20100717 03:25:11< Gambit> I heard earlier that gnome is like mac 20100717 03:26:09< elvish_sovereign> 700 MB 20100717 03:26:11< elvish_sovereign> *sigh* 20100717 03:26:39< Espreon> What's the problem? 20100717 03:27:08< elvish_sovereign> ahh 20100717 03:27:30< elvish_sovereign> Espreon: xubuntu was not cooperating with VMWare on my Mac 20100717 03:27:46< elvish_sovereign> now downloading ubuntu 20100717 03:28:05< elvish_sovereign> I might have to continue downloading tomorrow 20100717 03:28:13< elvish_sovereign> it says it has 6 hours left 20100717 03:28:32< Espreon> I see... 20100717 03:28:36< elvish_sovereign> yes: MY INTERNET SUX 20100717 03:28:39< elvish_sovereign> ARGH 20100717 03:28:59< elvish_sovereign> oooh 20100717 03:29:01< Espreon> Well, having a sucky Internet connection... really sucks... 20100717 03:29:14< elvish_sovereign> suddenly sped up to 2 hrs left, hmm 20100717 03:29:27< elvish_sovereign> Espreon: Amen 20100717 03:29:54< elvish_sovereign> anyhow 20100717 03:30:11< elvish_sovereign> i did enjoy learning to do things with terminal in mac 20100717 03:30:22< elvish_sovereign> so i thought i'd try out linux 20100717 03:42:54< Espreon> Ah, this is just awesome... KMS no longer sucks over here. 20100717 03:43:09< elvish_sovereign> what's KMS? 20100717 03:43:41< Espreon> Well, it still sucks in that I still have to use a compositing window manager to have Wesnoth behave normally... 20100717 03:43:46< Espreon> elvish_sovereign: KMS = kernel modesetting 20100717 03:43:51< elvish_sovereign> k 20100717 03:50:11< Espreon> Now to finish coming up with descriptions for the elementals so that art can be produced... 20100717 03:51:08< elvish_sovereign> hmmm 20100717 03:55:13< shadowmaster> I wasn't counting with deleted inodes. 20100717 03:55:25< shadowmaster> *on 20100717 03:56:09< shadowmaster> too bad that there's probably no way to download a deleted inode to a filesystem without patching the kernel 20100717 03:57:13< shadowmaster> s/inode/file/ 20100717 03:57:51 * shadowmaster wonders what would happen if the system ran out of RAM with a large deleted file still in use 20100717 04:00:27< shadowmaster> someone's taking the forum games stuff too personal 20100717 04:00:30< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/73-Forum-games-and-Wesnoth.org.html#c24 20100717 04:01:24< Espreon> OMG, comments! 20100717 04:01:25< Gambit> Where has he been anyway? 20100717 04:02:09< shadowmaster> Gambit: no idea, but he should've stayed there 20100717 04:02:16< shadowmaster> (jk, probably) 20100717 04:02:38< shadowmaster> bah, ED has nothing on forum games 20100717 04:03:10< Espreon> Probably because they're not luzly enough. 20100717 04:03:16< Espreon> *lulzy 20100717 04:03:28< Espreon> Remember children, ED is meant to archive lulz. 20100717 04:03:40< shadowmaster> Uncyclopedia doesn't have anything on them either. 20100717 04:03:44< Espreon> ... and have topics on lulziness... and stuff... 20100717 04:03:54< shadowmaster> I guess I'll hae to stick to Wikipedia's knowledge on the matter. 20100717 04:05:12< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_word_story 20100717 04:05:14< shadowmaster> what. 20100717 04:05:18< shadowmaster> the. 20100717 04:05:24< shadowmaster> FUCK. 20100717 04:05:50< shadowmaster> do these morons have any citations on why forum games ARE NOT good? 20100717 04:06:26< shadowmaster> and I wish that the Powers That Be would actually WANT to run a forum 20100717 04:06:52< shadowmaster> I need to find the best moment for bringing up my plans. 20100717 04:08:44< shadowmaster> Zarel is the forum admin equivalent of Norbert . 20100717 04:09:01< shadowmaster> with over nine thousand extra crap. 20100717 04:11:47< Gambit> since when did ubuntu software center have a "simulation" section? 20100717 04:12:01< Gambit> I've been looking for soemthing to waste processing power on when I'm not using the computer... 20100717 04:13:04< Gambit> how did supertuxkart get into the simulation section? 20100717 04:13:10< Gambit> this section is full of games... 20100717 04:13:32< Gambit> ooooh 20100717 04:13:40< Gambit> simulatiion is a subsection of games 20100717 04:13:41< Gambit> -_- 20100717 04:13:55< Gambit> lame 20100717 04:14:05 * Gambit was hoping for weather simulations or something 20100717 04:14:49< shadowmaster> insert picture of Awesome here. 20100717 04:15:15 * shadowmaster goes to work on anAwesome emoticon 20100717 04:15:21< shadowmaster> *an Awesome 20100717 04:17:24< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://www.darwinbots.com/WikiManual/index.php/Main_Page 20100717 04:17:28< Gambit> check out the date on their latest release 20100717 04:17:41< Gambit> even more proof that future time travelers are amongst us! 20100717 04:18:10< Gambit> Weird that 2.44.04 was released 11 years after 2.44.1 20100717 04:20:17< Espreon> Hmmm... I wonder what form I'll have the Thunderbird assume... 20100717 04:27:04< shadowmaster> heh. 20100717 04:27:17< Espreon> Hwæt? 20100717 04:27:29< shadowmaster> @Gambit 20100717 04:32:08< Gambit> note to self, franbot should check the length of a tweet before sending it 20100717 04:33:25< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 04:34:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: kate has built in CFML highlighting o_O 20100717 04:34:26< Gambit> oh no wait... it's using html 20100717 04:34:29< Gambit> but it's working... 20100717 04:34:32< Gambit> perfectly 20100717 04:34:48< Gambit> no 20100717 04:34:52< Gambit> it is using cfml 20100717 04:34:53< Gambit> wtf 20100717 04:35:03< Gambit> tools->highlighting->markup->coldfusion 20100717 04:35:04< Gambit> <3 20100717 04:35:11< shadowmaster> shi 20100717 04:35:20< Gambit> amazing! 20100717 04:35:35< Gambit> I wonder if it's legal to do that. 20100717 04:35:42< Gambit> Oh yeah it is because it's an open language :o 20100717 04:36:01< Gambit> (yes I know he's not here anymore) 20100717 04:36:01< shadowmaster> it is legal in any case because it's just a fucking syntax hilighting schema 20100717 04:36:43< shadowmaster> I'm seeing a matlab hilighter for whatever reason 20100717 04:37:08< shadowmaster> also ActionScript 20100717 04:43:02< shadowmaster> my Awesome smiley is almost eady 20100717 04:43:17< elvish_sovereign> aw-aw-awesome 20100717 04:45:32< Espreon> This is going to be awesome! 20100717 04:46:53< Espreon> Ah, I just love being able to actually use KMS... 20100717 04:49:42< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/icon_awesome.gif 20100717 04:49:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: awesome 20100717 04:49:57< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 04:49:58< Gambit> for wesnoth forums? 20100717 04:50:27< shadowmaster> yes 20100717 04:50:31< Gambit> shadowmaster: while you're in there add the whistleing one please 20100717 04:50:33< Gambit> please 20100717 04:50:41< shadowmaster> it'd not be made in that style otherwise. 20100717 04:50:55< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, 20100717 04:50:57< shadowmaster> Gambit: no,it's animated. 20100717 04:50:57< shadowmaster> I hate animated GIFs. 20100717 04:50:57< shadowmaster> HATE HATE HATE. 20100717 04:51:06< Gambit> we have animated smilies already 20100717 04:51:12< Espreon> What about animated pngs? 20100717 04:51:12< Gambit> you can unanimate it 20100717 04:51:14< shadowmaster> yes, but that wasn't my decision 20100717 04:51:21< Gambit> I just want a "whistling innocently emote" 20100717 04:51:27< Gambit> s/I just want/we just need/ 20100717 04:51:28< shadowmaster> HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE 20100717 04:51:48< shadowmaster> Gambit: it needs to be done in the Wesnoth srtyle 20100717 04:51:52< shadowmaster> style 20100717 04:51:57< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'm trying to find the one zarel made 20100717 04:52:00< shadowmaster> Espreon: please tell me whether you approve or not of my Awesome smiley. 20100717 04:52:38< Espreon> It's fine... now we just need the desu version... 20100717 04:52:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://orbitupload.com/get/icon_whistle38.gif 20100717 04:52:45< Gambit> phpbb style 20100717 04:53:00< shadowmaster> Espreon: huh? 20100717 04:53:02< Gambit> and the animation is not very intrusive at all 20100717 04:54:01< Espreon> shadowmaster: The desu version has the same eye color scheme as Suiseiseki. 20100717 04:54:18< shadowmaster> red to the left, green to the right? 20100717 04:54:22< shadowmaster> I can't remember 20100717 04:54:22< shadowmaster> (our left and right) 20100717 04:54:45< Espreon> Yeah. 20100717 04:55:11< Gambit> real water is brown 20100717 04:55:12< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=43172&mode=view 20100717 04:55:28< Gambit> actually it looks good 20100717 04:55:41< Gambit> it just totally lacks the poppy cartoonish feel wesnoth has always had 20100717 04:55:56< Gambit> but it looks good 20100717 04:55:56< shadowmaster> ...:( 20100717 04:56:07< shadowmaster> but the sprites *are* cartoonish 20100717 04:56:19< shadowmaster> I think I'll miss Wesnoth 18 20100717 04:56:22< Gambit> 1.10 is going to be the best release ever 20100717 04:56:22< shadowmaster> *1.8 20100717 04:56:40< Espreon> Especially once Project Awesomest Project Ever is complete. 20100717 04:57:01< Gambit> Espreon: aka persistant variables 20100717 04:57:07 * Gambit must look up the proper way to spell that some day 20100717 04:57:23< shadowmaster> persistent 20100717 04:57:27< Espreon> Gambit: No, not that. 20100717 04:57:27< shadowmaster> with e 20100717 04:57:49< Gambit> Espreon: if it's not that then it's not the awesomest project ever 20100717 04:58:04< Espreon> Project Awesomest Project Ever shall introduce many awesome units in core. 20100717 04:58:28< Gambit> oh. 20100717 04:58:31< Gambit> well that does sound good 20100717 04:58:37< Gambit> kalfia + chaos in 1.10 20100717 04:58:40< Gambit> ? 20100717 04:58:45< elvish_sovereign> oh yeah 20100717 04:58:55< Espreon> Well, I'm not sure if Chaos will be added to core... probably not... 20100717 04:58:56< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: yes I read your blog :D 20100717 04:59:04< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 04:59:05< Gambit> Espreon: aren't they going in UtBS? 20100717 04:59:08< Espreon> Yes. 20100717 04:59:20< Espreon> But, I'm talking about different units... 20100717 04:59:26< Gambit> okay core to me means that when I use it, people don't need to download my addon to play 20100717 04:59:30< elvish_sovereign> well, cool 20100717 04:59:35< elvish_sovereign> exactly 20100717 04:59:38< Gambit> default == part of core 20100717 04:59:45< Gambit> not other way round 20100717 04:59:45< elvish_sovereign> i hate dependencies 20100717 04:59:52< Gambit> Espreon: so what units? :D 20100717 05:00:05< Gambit> Awesome ones I hope 20100717 05:00:12< shadowmaster> Gambit: default != part of core 20100717 05:00:13< elvish_sovereign> of course xD 20100717 05:00:19< elvish_sovereign> ? 20100717 05:00:20< Gambit> shadowmaster: yes it is 20100717 05:00:22< elvish_sovereign> really? 20100717 05:00:23< shadowmaster> there are units in core that are not in the Default era 20100717 05:00:30< Gambit> exactly 20100717 05:00:33< shadowmaster> Elder MAge, for example 20100717 05:00:37< elvish_sovereign> but all units in default are in core 20100717 05:00:37< Gambit> so default is the smaller piece 20100717 05:00:43< Gambit> shadowmaster: :P 20100717 05:00:43< shadowmaster> *Mage 20100717 05:00:50< Espreon> Gambit: I don't think that I should reveal things yet... 20100717 05:00:53< shadowmaster> Default is a subset of Core. 20100717 05:00:56< elvish_sovereign> awwww 20100717 05:01:02< Gambit> shadowmaster: is what I said 20100717 05:01:05< Gambit> default is part of core 20100717 05:01:06< elvish_sovereign> well i'll wait patiently 20100717 05:01:07< Gambit> a piece 20100717 05:01:09< Gambit> a slice 20100717 05:01:10< Gambit> a fraction 20100717 05:01:24< elvish_sovereign> i.e. default is core, but core is not default 20100717 05:01:32< Gambit> yeah like that 20100717 05:01:35< shadowmaster> Gambit: my statement is more elegant than yours. 20100717 05:01:41 * Gambit makes pie chart 20100717 05:01:43< elvish_sovereign> i lol'd 20100717 05:01:51< shadowmaster> 23:00:53 <shadowmaster> Default is a subset of Core. 20100717 05:02:01< Espreon> shadowmaster: Well, you are much better than he... so... yeahz... 20100717 05:02:07< Gambit> shadowmaster: Oh yeah? Well yo mamma is more elegant! 20100717 05:02:07< shadowmaster> 22:59:37 <Gambit> default == part of core 20100717 05:02:08< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 05:02:18< Gambit> default < core 20100717 05:02:22< shadowmaster> Gambit: that's supposed to be a Good Thing™. 20100717 05:02:24< Gambit> shadowmaster: better? 20100717 05:02:31< shadowmaster> no. 20100717 05:02:39< shadowmaster> use the actual subset symbol or word. 20100717 05:02:40< elvish_sovereign> you two.. 20100717 05:02:41< elvish_sovereign> lol 20100717 05:02:47< shadowmaster> < is no subset symbol 20100717 05:02:51< Gambit> There's a symbol for subset? 20100717 05:02:56< shadowmaster> yes 20100717 05:02:58< Gambit> Not in any language I've used 20100717 05:03:02< elvish_sovereign> math! 20100717 05:03:14< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subset 20100717 05:03:18< elvish_sovereign> default < = core 20100717 05:03:33< Gambit> <cfif "#default#" LTE "#core#"> works out to be true :o 20100717 05:03:41< shadowmaster> A ⊆ B 20100717 05:03:48< shadowmaster> so Default ⊆ Core 20100717 05:03:49< Gambit> shadowmaster: my keyboard isn't as cool as yours 20100717 05:03:50< elvish_sovereign> hmm 20100717 05:03:52< elvish_sovereign> lol 20100717 05:03:57< elvish_sovereign> me niehter 20100717 05:04:01< elvish_sovereign> wha? 20100717 05:04:01< Espreon> Gambit: Emulate a compose key, noob. 20100717 05:04:03< elvish_sovereign> me neither 20100717 05:04:07< Gambit> We can't all have multimillion dollar keyboards! 20100717 05:04:12< elvish_sovereign> immanoob 20100717 05:04:13< shadowmaster> Espreon: actually, I copy-pasted. 20100717 05:04:19< Espreon> In reality, we all have normal keyboards. 20100717 05:04:26< Espreon> Right, shadowmaster? 20100717 05:04:27< shadowmaster> I have no idea if it's possible to make a subset symbol with compose 20100717 05:04:31< Gambit> Espreon: shadowmaster doesn't exist in reality. 20100717 05:04:42< Espreon> shadowmaster: You can create your own combinations. 20100717 05:04:45< Gambit> He is only an entity in the Matrix. 20100717 05:04:46< shadowmaster> In reality... 20100717 05:04:51< shadowmaster> I am .... 20100717 05:04:55< Gambit> not bald! 20100717 05:05:07< shadowmaster> Hello. 20100717 05:05:17< shadowmaster> My name is Ignacio R. Morelle. 20100717 05:05:21-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 05:05:25< shadowmaster> You killed my father. 20100717 05:05:27< Espreon> Gambit: Do you wanna be cool? 20100717 05:05:31< elvish_sovereign> no 20100717 05:05:33< shadowmaster> Prepare to die. 20100717 05:05:39< elvish_sovereign> ahh! 20100717 05:05:48< Gambit> No Ignacio. I *am* your father. 20100717 05:05:48 * elvish_sovereign pulls his knife out in defense. 20100717 05:05:52 * shadowmaster stabs elvish_sovereign 20100717 05:05:55< elvish_sovereign> . 20100717 05:06:03 * elvish_sovereign stabs shadowmaster back 20100717 05:06:09< shadowmaster> gaaa 20100717 05:06:14 * elvish_sovereign calls in his orcish allies 20100717 05:06:20< elvish_sovereign> attack! 20100717 05:06:31< elvish_sovereign> ok 20100717 05:06:33< elvish_sovereign> i'll stop 20100717 05:06:33< Gambit> shadowmaster: And Espreon is your sister. 20100717 05:06:34< shadowmaster> afk 20100717 05:06:41 * Espreon summons the Wesnoth-UMC-Dev project's Shaxthal guards 20100717 05:06:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: And the empire will be defeated by ewoks. 20100717 05:06:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: And the force? Well that's just microscopic organisms in your blood stream called medichlorians. 20100717 05:07:00< Espreon> Gambit: Either leave or die... 20100717 05:07:04< Espreon> Not funny... 20100717 05:07:06< shadowmaster> Gambit: we have Na'vi. 20100717 05:07:21< shadowmaster> They are cooler than ewoks. 20100717 05:07:37< shadowmaster> and they can destroy FUCKING MECHA WITH ARROWS! 20100717 05:07:41< shadowmaster> :p 20100717 05:08:11< elvish_sovereign> ooopf 20100717 05:08:22< elvish_sovereign> taking forever with the ubuntu install 20100717 05:08:41< Gambit> ewww avatar fan! 20100717 05:08:43< Gambit> kill it! 20100717 05:09:01< Gambit> (just kidding) 20100717 05:09:05< Gambit> decent movie was decent 20100717 05:09:23 * elvish_sovereign squeezes himself in the corner and makes himself comfortable to watch the oncoming bloodshed. 20100717 05:10:38< elvish_sovereign> ubuntu is starting up! 20100717 05:12:50< Gambit> night 20100717 05:12:59< elvish_sovereign> argh! 20100717 05:13:07< elvish_sovereign> keyboard still isn't working! 20100717 05:13:08-!- Gambit [~quassel@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Do you worry that you're not liked? How long till you break?] 20100717 05:13:16< elvish_sovereign> hmmm 20100717 05:13:18< elvish_sovereign> -_- 20100717 05:13:43< shadowmaster> no, it wasn't decent. 20100717 05:13:58< shadowmaster> the story sucked. 20100717 05:14:04< shadowmaster> CGI: awesome. 20100717 05:14:10< shadowmaster> but the story sucked. 20100717 05:16:55< Espreon> Screw it: large hawk -> massive condor -> ginormous dinosaury God-knows-what. 20100717 05:17:17< elvish_sovereign> OH I GET IT 20100717 05:17:27< elvish_sovereign> the reason it didn't work 20100717 05:17:35< elvish_sovereign> i need to update it 20100717 05:17:37< elvish_sovereign> gosh 20100717 05:18:12< Espreon> Meh, nah, I have no idea what to do for the L2 stage. 20100717 05:18:21< Espreon> If only esr were around... 20100717 05:19:51< Espreon> Would someone help me? I kinda want to get this done by tonight so that I can give this crap to rhyging really soon... 20100717 05:22:05< Espreon> elvish_sovereign: Please? 20100717 05:22:16< elvish_sovereign> hmm? 20100717 05:22:18< elvish_sovereign> what? 20100717 05:22:25< elvish_sovereign> ahh 20100717 05:22:27< elvish_sovereign> names? 20100717 05:22:43< elvish_sovereign> hmmm 20100717 05:22:59< elvish_sovereign> what kind of attack does it have? 20100717 05:23:04< elvish_sovereign> dive? 20100717 05:23:06< elvish_sovereign> claws? 20100717 05:23:10< elvish_sovereign> beak? 20100717 05:23:21< Espreon> Fulgurite beak, fulgurite shower, and lightning. 20100717 05:23:30< elvish_sovereign> wha? 20100717 05:23:32< elvish_sovereign> okay... 20100717 05:23:44 * elvish_sovereign needs to look up Fulgurite 20100717 05:24:05< elvish_sovereign> so it's kind of a thunderbird? 20100717 05:24:16< elvish_sovereign> s/of/of like/ 20100717 05:25:01< elvish_sovereign> let's see 20100717 05:25:08< elvish_sovereign> thunderbird? 20100717 05:25:12< elvish_sovereign> firebird? 20100717 05:25:43< elvish_sovereign> [something] eagle? 20100717 05:25:46< Espreon> No, it goes like this: Shockbird -> Stormbird -> Thunderbird 20100717 05:25:54< Espreon> I just need an idea of what the stormbird would be. 20100717 05:25:58< elvish_sovereign> oh 20100717 05:26:13< elvish_sovereign> firebird? 20100717 05:26:17< elvish_sovereign> umm 20100717 05:26:32< elvish_sovereign> electric bird? 20100717 05:26:41< elvish_sovereign> i'm not that good with names 20100717 05:26:44< Espreon> I don't need names. 20100717 05:26:53< elvish_sovereign> you know what i mean 20100717 05:27:03< elvish_sovereign> i'm thinking 20100717 05:27:36< elvish_sovereign> lightning hawk definitely sounds cool 20100717 05:27:57< elvish_sovereign> Shockbird -> Thunderbird -> Lightning Hawk? 20100717 05:28:00< elvish_sovereign> dunno 20100717 05:28:04 * Espreon facepalms 20100717 05:28:14 * elvish_sovereign hides in the corner 20100717 05:28:15< Espreon> I don't need names... 20100717 05:28:16< elvish_sovereign> sorry 20100717 05:28:33< elvish_sovereign> wait, what exactly do you need? 20100717 05:28:41< elvish_sovereign> i'm starting to get confused 20100717 05:29:03< Espreon> So far, I have this: large hawk (Shockbird) -> ? (Stormbird) -> ginormous dinosaury God-knows-what (Thunderbird). 20100717 05:29:50< elvish_sovereign> hmmmm 20100717 05:29:55< elvish_sovereign> ..... 20100717 05:31:41< elvish_sovereign> uhhhhh 20100717 05:33:21-!- elvish_sovereign [~elvish_so@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for Mac - client quit] 20100717 05:33:26< Espreon> ... 20100717 05:33:33-!- elvish_sovereign [~elvish_so@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 05:33:43< elvish_sovereign> gosh colloquy 20100717 05:34:02< elvish_sovereign> Espreon: I'm not really sure 20100717 05:35:06< Espreon> Damn it, I'll have to wait for esr. 20100717 05:35:16< elvish_sovereign> sorry 20100717 05:35:27< elvish_sovereign> imma numbers guys 20100717 05:35:34< elvish_sovereign> guy* 20100717 05:35:55< Espreon> Feh, you children and your math... 20100717 05:36:02< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 05:36:13< elvish_sovereign> pathetic, isn't it? 20100717 05:36:35< Espreon> Jeß jeß... 20100717 05:43:12< elvish_sovereign> ok gotta 20100717 05:43:13< elvish_sovereign> go 20100717 05:43:16< elvish_sovereign> see ya all 20100717 05:43:19-!- elvish_sovereign [~elvish_so@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: elvish_sovereign] 20100717 05:43:19< Espreon> Bye. 20100717 05:56:33<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7415 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/docs/elementals: TSL: Shockbird line info... name changes... 20100717 06:29:40< Espreon> Hmmmm... I wonder where I put that MS Office installation disc... 20100717 06:33:41< Espreon> Hmmmm... if only I wrote down the key... 20100717 06:33:49< Espreon> I could have just used that ISO... 20100717 07:15:35-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 07:21:26< Espreon> God damn it, I can't install KDE 4.4.92 due to missing ebuilds... 20100717 07:26:17< Espreon> I guess now I'll just attempt to compile mupen64plus... IDK... 20100717 07:32:50-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100717 07:52:57< Espreon> Well, byez for nowz... 20100717 07:56:16-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 08:06:54< Valkier> http://www.vidzshare.net/videos/6ynfNfCqLlo/twins-bathroom-mirror-prank-funny.html 20100717 08:21:07< Valkier> shadowmaster: The forums? But why! 20100717 08:22:16< shadowmaster> optimizing tables. 20100717 08:22:32< shadowmaster> it hasn't been done in ages. 20100717 08:22:39< Valkier> Ahh 20100717 08:22:55< Valkier> How am I supposed to post my horrible scribbles now? 20100717 08:23:15< shadowmaster> it won't take very long. 20100717 08:23:25< shadowmaster> at least no more than an hour since I'll also regenerate some stuff 20100717 08:23:32< Valkier> ahh 20100717 08:23:42< Valkier> Run an anti douche script on it too. 20100717 08:23:51< Valkier> We could stand to be rid of a few. 20100717 08:24:26< shadowmaster> actully... 20100717 08:24:34< shadowmaster> nah, I'll not regenerate that stuff. 20100717 08:24:55< Valkier> I don't even know what that word means in relation to boards. 20100717 08:25:09< shadowmaster> go back to business.. 20100717 08:25:16< shadowmaster> nothing more to see here 20100717 08:25:23< Valkier> Lies! 20100717 08:25:32< Valkier> Just for that, no naked elf for you. 20100717 08:25:47 * Valkier is so sick of drawing elves. Especially the women. 20100717 08:35:12-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20100717 08:35:22-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 08:35:30< Espreon> God damn it... where's the desu version of Awesome? 20100717 08:35:56< shadowmaster> I haven't made it yet and I'm probably not adding it to the forum's smilies set anyway to avoid confusion 20100717 08:36:06< shadowmaster> I don't think such tiny details will be visible at that scale anyway. 20100717 08:38:54< Espreon> To me they will... 20100717 08:42:52< Valkier> Espreon: Brofist! 20100717 08:43:02< Espreon> Ugh... the thingy summoned by alt+tab has horrible-looking text. 20100717 08:43:04< Espreon> Hwæt? 20100717 08:44:47< Espreon> shadowmaster: Same case for you? 20100717 08:44:53< shadowmaster> Espreon: this thingy? http://shadowm.rewound.net/thingy.png 20100717 08:45:29< Espreon> No, the traditional one. 20100717 08:45:34< shadowmaster> (bilinear scaling. I could select trilinear) 20100717 08:45:35< shadowmaster> oh. 20100717 08:45:40< shadowmaster> let me see 20100717 08:46:18< Valkier> You guys need to learn to vector. 20100717 08:46:46< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/alttab.png Espreon 20100717 08:47:18< Espreon> Valkier: Hwæt? 20100717 08:47:40< Valkier> Minor details are win 20100717 08:47:42< Valkier> Just sayin 20100717 08:47:46< Espreon> shadowmaster: Meh, mine's arranged horizontally. 20100717 08:48:23< shadowmaster> Espreon: it's customizable 20100717 08:48:56< shadowmaster> system settings, window behavior, navigate through windows 20100717 08:51:13< Espreon> shadowmaster: 'Twas already set to vertical... 20100717 08:51:48< shadowmaster> the font in use should be the standard window text font probably 20100717 08:52:18< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/falcon#Etymology — Lovely... 20100717 08:52:55-!- timotei [~Timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 08:53:00< shadowmaster> hi timotei 20100717 08:53:05< timotei> hi shadowmaster 20100717 08:53:19< Espreon> Hello timotei. 20100717 08:53:30< timotei> how are you doing guys? 20100717 08:53:37< Espreon> shadowmaster: Meh, they're all DejaVu Sans. 20100717 08:53:48< timotei> oh, fonts 20100717 08:53:48< timotei> :D 20100717 08:53:53< Espreon> *some form of DeJaVu 20100717 08:53:58< Espreon> *DejaVu 20100717 08:54:01< Espreon> Blargh... 20100717 08:54:07< shadowmaster> DejaVu Sans. 20100717 08:54:15< shadowmaster> Serif and Mono aren't good for on-screen text 20100717 08:54:27< shadowmaster> well, Mono is good for plain text documents :p 20100717 08:55:03< Espreon> Only fixed width uses Sans Mono. 20100717 08:55:07< shadowmaster> in any case I really prefer Sans Serif fonts to Serif for any on-screen text (you can notice that I use no Serif fonts in my stylesheets, for example) 20100717 08:55:30< shadowmaster> Serif feels...unelegant to me. 20100717 08:55:42< shadowmaster> not sure why since it's supposed to be the inverse AFAIK. 20100717 08:56:01< Espreon> I only appreciate the serifs for "I". 20100717 08:57:32< Espreon> The rest are... yeahz... 20100717 08:57:57< shadowmaster> 02:38:31 <shadowmaster> I optimized the forum and wiki tables and disabled phpBB's checks for updated style files (so they should be manually refreshed if someone makes some edit without my supervision) to reduce overhead a tiny bit. 20100717 08:58:01< shadowmaster> 02:53:37 <shadowmaster> it might be just me, but they really feel a lot faster now. 20100717 08:58:27< shadowmaster> do you think performance improved or not? 20100717 08:58:47< Espreon> I guess... 20100717 08:58:53< shadowmaster> no, don't guess 20100717 08:59:01< Espreon> IDK... 20100717 08:59:06< shadowmaster> please tell me what you feel (if you feel anything at all, otherwise don't say anything) 20100717 08:59:46< shadowmaster> theoretically the latter point reduces disk I/O overhead with every forum view for every client 20100717 08:59:49< Espreon> timotei: In other news, KMS doesn't really suck that much here now. 20100717 08:59:57< shadowmaster> since it doesn't need to check file timestamps with every view 20100717 09:00:02< timotei> Espreon: I don't want to burn anything 20100717 09:00:21< Espreon> Hwæt? 20100717 09:00:26< shadowmaster> in practice, checking file timestamps shouldn't cause a lot of overhead unless the filesystem really sucks 20100717 09:00:45< shadowmaster> or when the system is under unusual I/O load 20100717 09:00:48< timotei> Espreon: well, I sense that KMS thing has bad side-effects 20100717 09:00:55< timotei> Espreon: or that's what I thought 20100717 09:01:08< shadowmaster> the latter could help during the backup cronjobs and units.w.o regeneration 20100717 09:01:21< Espreon> timotei: ... and hwæt exactly makes you think this? 20100717 09:02:02< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/68-ATI-mayhem,-part-X-including-a-trip-to-Wonderland.html 20100717 09:02:38< Espreon> shadowmaster: That doesn't count, for you are cursed with misfortune. 20100717 09:03:05< Espreon> KMS pretty much only brings happiness here. 20100717 09:03:19< shadowmaster> Riveting tale, chap. 20100717 09:03:34< timotei> Espreon: Kernel Mode Setting on radeon cards is still experimental and may not work properly for everyone. The kernel configurations below have it enabled. Use at your own risk! 20100717 09:03:42< shadowmaster> really, isn't it slightly slower than UMS at 3D stuff for you, Espreon ? 20100717 09:03:48< timotei> I want to follow this tutorial: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Radeon 20100717 09:04:02< Espreon> shadowmaster: I really don't notice a difference anymore. 20100717 09:04:05< timotei> shadowmaster: I don't care about 3d. windows is for 3d 20100717 09:04:07< shadowmaster> timotei: believe it or not, Debian and Ubuntu and openSUSE want to go with KMS as the default mode of operation for Radeon controllers 20100717 09:04:18< Espreon> timotei: ... and I followed that same tutorial.. 20100717 09:04:29< shadowmaster> also, "windows is for 3d"???? 20100717 09:04:33< shadowmaster> what about frogatto? 20100717 09:04:34< shadowmaster> supertuxkart? 20100717 09:04:38< shadowmaster> duke nukem? 20100717 09:04:42< Espreon> shadowmaster: KMS used to be much slower than UMS... but... something magical happened... and... yeahz... 20100717 09:04:50< timotei> shadowmaster: I was saying, I have windows to play games on 20100717 09:04:55< shadowmaster> OpenGL compositing? 20100717 09:05:11< shadowmaster> timotei: but I was talking to Espreon :p 20100717 09:05:12< shadowmaster> originally, that is. 20100717 09:05:17< timotei> oh 20100717 09:05:34< shadowmaster> Espreon: I guess the Mesa devs fed the source code with magic juice? 20100717 09:05:46< timotei> anyway, I need to finish some work on my bro's notebook, since I've got some git stashes 20100717 09:05:52< timotei> and after that I'll try 20100717 09:05:59< Espreon> shadowmaster: Frogatto runs at full speed, I haven't played that much with KWin/Compiz... and I don't play those other games. 20100717 09:06:01< timotei> hope youtube will work good 20100717 09:06:15< shadowmaster> Espreon: otherwise I can't think of any recent change that'd change things fr you 20100717 09:06:16< Espreon> "Well"... 20100717 09:06:23< Espreon> Meh, IDK... 20100717 09:06:47< shadowmaster> timotei: if you are going to play with KMS you'd be ready to clean after any resulting mess 20100717 09:06:56< Espreon> There was one change to the KMS code in radeon, but... like that's gonna do anything... 20100717 09:07:09< shadowmaster> including eviscerated kittens. 20100717 09:07:21< Espreon> There were a shitload of changes in mesa; even stuff for r300... 20100717 09:07:53< shadowmaster> where the hell is Gambit when I need someone to tell me whether the forums are faster or not? 20100717 09:08:18< Valkier> Well they are? :-P 20100717 09:09:54< timotei> shadowmaster: how should I'd be ready? 20100717 09:10:03< Espreon> Meh, maybe I should have dealt with LordBob before going lazy... 20100717 09:10:07< Espreon> Oh wellz... 20100717 09:11:23< timotei> damn dell live chat support 20100717 09:11:24< shadowmaster> timotei: knowing how to fix stuff from a text-only terminal without X would be it I guess 20100717 09:11:37< timotei> shadowmaster: oh, no problm with hat D 20100717 09:11:38< timotei> that* 20100717 09:12:07< shadowmaster> good 20100717 09:13:31< Espreon> Maybe I should learn how to enjoy my laptop... by not compiling over nine thousand things per day, which causes it to become slow till I give the machine a rest. 20100717 09:15:01< timotei> shadowmaster: when you got on debian, theer was many ... "things-to-setup"? 20100717 09:15:31< shadowmaster> well. not a lot. 20100717 09:15:40< shadowmaster> I mean, the installer asked very few questions. 20100717 09:16:08< shadowmaster> of course I like to customize and optimize my systems to my needs, so I edit a lot of configurations, build my own kernels, etc. afterwards 20100717 09:17:09< shadowmaster> but AFAICT Debian and Ubuntu are truly usable out-of-the-box 20100717 09:17:23< shadowmaster> especially compared to openSUSE. 20100717 09:18:55< Valkier> Espreon: What about Lordbob? 20100717 09:19:13< Espreon> Valkier: He made story art for UtBS... 20100717 09:38:52-!- thespaceinvader [~chatzilla@wesnoth/artist/thespaceinvader] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 09:42:50< shadowmaster> thespaceinvader: you are a troper? 20100717 09:43:01< thespaceinvader> very much so yes 20100717 09:43:10< thespaceinvader> though a lot less than i used to be 20100717 09:43:38< shadowmaster> noticed edits by someone by the name "thespaceinvader" in the BfW article the other night 20100717 09:43:43< thespaceinvader> I made the original BfW page IIRC 20100717 09:43:50< thespaceinvader> yeah tis me 20100717 09:44:09< thespaceinvader> I try to keep the page as accurate as I can 20100717 09:44:50< shadowmaster> yet NRIW is still mentioned 20100717 09:45:04< thespaceinvader> yeah, been meaning to fix that one 20100717 09:45:15< shadowmaster> although I'm no longer sure where we got that one from in the forums in the first place. 20100717 09:45:30< shadowmaster> I thought I had seen it being used by developers around my newbie times (2007) 20100717 09:45:36< shadowmaster> *(2006) 20100717 09:46:32< thespaceinvader> so did I actually 20100717 09:47:04< thespaceinvader> I get the impression the 'it's not policy and never has been' line is something of a retcon, personally, but meh 20100717 09:48:31< Valkier> Don't suppose anyone happens to know what class Sisal is? 20100717 09:49:00< thespaceinvader> avenger IIRC 20100717 09:49:17< thespaceinvader> or whatever the level 2 of that is called, i forget 20100717 09:49:43< thespaceinvader> shadowmaster: is it worth putting up a post somewhere that isn't auto-pruned, clarifying current policy? 20100717 09:52:03< shadowmaster> current policy on what? 20100717 09:53:10< Valkier> thespaceinvader: Oh, a ranger you mean? 20100717 09:53:21< shadowmaster> L2 is Ranger, L3 is Avenger 20100717 09:53:21< shadowmaster> I believe she is L3 20100717 09:53:36< Valkier> He said the lvl 2 :-( 20100717 09:53:43< Valkier> kk 20100717 09:53:47< Valkier> Works for me. Thanks. 20100717 09:53:56< shadowmaster> [side] 20100717 09:53:56< shadowmaster> type=Elvish Avenger 20100717 09:53:56< shadowmaster> gender=female 20100717 09:53:58< shadowmaster> id=Sisal[4~ 20100717 09:54:06< shadowmaster> so she is L3 20100717 09:54:11< Valkier> Rock on 20100717 09:54:14< thespaceinvader> nah, i said she's either and avenger or she's whatever the level 2 is 20100717 09:54:23< thespaceinvader> IOW, she's that line but i can;t remember which level 20100717 09:54:31< Valkier> Ah. I didn't understand. 20100717 09:54:48< Valkier> I think I'll have some fun with her.. 20100717 09:54:51 * Valkier ponders 20100717 09:57:58-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Quit: night] 20100717 09:59:59< thespaceinvader> shadowmaster: put the following in discussion: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/uB6BWcbz 20100717 10:00:34< thespaceinvader> and replaced it on the page with this: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/SyZ1YAgR 20100717 10:22:28-!- AnMaster [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20100717 10:25:29< Espreon> Byez. 20100717 10:25:32 * Espreon disappears... 20100717 10:25:39< Espreon> .. or not. 20100717 10:28:04< timotei> bye Espreon 20100717 10:29:55< Espreon> Silly, I said not yet. 20100717 10:33:11< Espreon> OK, byez for realz. 20100717 10:33:19 * Espreon disappears... 20100717 10:42:26-!- zookeeper [~l@wesnoth/developer/zookeeper] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 11:10:58-!- loonybot [~loonybot@ppp79-139-141-141.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 11:10:58-!- loonybot [~loonybot@ppp79-139-141-141.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 11:10:58-!- loonybot [~loonybot@wesnoth/bot/loonybot] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 11:11:01-!- mode/#wesnoth-umc-dev [+v loonybot] by ChanServ 20100717 11:11:54-!- loonycyborg [~sergey@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 12:02:53-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Blueblaze] 20100717 12:30:58-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Never put off till tomorrow, what you can do the day after tomorrow] 20100717 12:50:34-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 12:50:34-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 12:50:34-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 13:19:03-!- timotei21 [~Timotei@193.34.191.4] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 13:21:21-!- timotei [~Timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100717 14:02:02-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 14:07:58< Gambit> timotei21: Hi 20100717 14:11:22< timotei21> hi Gambit 20100717 14:29:05-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 14:30:26-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 14:41:50-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 14:42:26-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 14:44:40-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 14:46:01-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 15:25:07< Gambit> timotei21: Is it possibly to sudo as another user? 20100717 15:25:26< Gambit> I have a kubuntu laptop with two accounts on it. The networkmanager on my little brother's has been disabled. 20100717 15:25:45< Gambit> And I can't fix it on his, and I'm not sure switching to mine will fix his. 20100717 15:25:48-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 15:26:12< Gambit> Actually the file that needs editing is in /var/lib/ 20100717 15:26:19< Gambit> which is global? 20100717 15:26:35< Gambit> So if I switch to my login to edit it it would fix it for him too I guess. 20100717 15:26:49< Gambit> But it'd be easier if there were a way to just run a command as another user. 20100717 15:26:54< Gambit> timotei: Is there a way to do that? 20100717 15:27:05< timotei> Gambit, one sec, just setup my windows :)) 20100717 15:27:37< timotei21> var/lib is global afaik 20100717 15:27:53< timotei21> so: sudo and modify works 20100717 15:28:05< timotei21> sudo = su do = super do = superuser do 20100717 15:28:06< timotei21> :D 20100717 15:28:14< timotei21> that's actually root 20100717 15:28:33< Gambit> Yeah but he's not in the sudoer's file 20100717 15:28:42< timotei> well... 20100717 15:28:44< timotei> just "su" 20100717 15:28:49< Gambit> k 20100717 15:32:23-!- timotei21 [~Timotei@193.34.191.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20100717 16:01:01< Gambit> wesnoth compiled fast 20100717 16:02:04< Gambit> and yet I see nothing with which to start it... 20100717 16:26:22< timotei> hmm 20100717 16:26:26-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 16:26:28< timotei> go to wesnoth dir: 20100717 16:26:39-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 16:52:28-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20100717 17:11:45-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100717 17:12:22-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 17:12:22-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 17:12:22-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 17:48:55-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:00:03< Gambit> Darn. Where's Valkier when you need him? 20100717 18:04:39-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:05:03< Aethaeryn> 12:00:05 < Gambit> Darn. Where's Valkier when you need him? 20100717 18:05:04< Aethaeryn> 12:04:41 -!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:05:08< Aethaeryn> Valkier: You have been summoned. 20100717 18:05:15< Valkier> ? 20100717 18:05:22< Gambit> Valkier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMoQWYNWa4s 20100717 18:05:41< Valkier> Is this more WKYK? 20100717 18:05:43< Gambit> Aethaeryn: yeah that was pretty cool :) 20100717 18:06:01< Aethaeryn> Gambit: summon Blueblaze next. 20100717 18:06:02< Gambit> Valkier: Yes. A white man tries to be racist, but can't bring himself to do it. 20100717 18:06:24< Gambit> Yeah where is Blueblaze when you need him? He, too, would enjoy this sketch. 20100717 18:06:52< Gambit> For that matter, where the heck is Turuk? 20100717 18:07:17< Gambit> And elvish_sovereign? 20100717 18:07:55< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Apparently my magic level isn't high enough for turuk or blueblaze. 20100717 18:13:47< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you have to try #wesnoth-music for Blueblaze probably... he ignores all other channels, even if he's in them. 20100717 18:14:02< Aethaeryn> Gambit: and only a master of shadows can summon Turuk. <_< 20100717 18:14:13< Gambit> ah I forgot about music 20100717 18:14:51< Aethaeryn> I just autojoin all the chans with activity. 20100717 18:16:22< Gambit> I went to this network the other day, and apparently autojoin is considered to be rude. 20100717 18:16:41< Gambit> I was like wha? 20100717 18:16:44< Aethaeryn> oh 20100717 18:16:47< Aethaeryn> I just have a /wesnoth 20100717 18:16:55< Aethaeryn> so I only really automatically identify on log in 20100717 18:17:02< Aethaeryn> then almost immediately afterward, I /wesnoth 20100717 18:17:15< Aethaeryn> since sometimes I might bring up irssi without wanting to be on every chan 20100717 18:17:23< Gambit> Ah 20100717 18:17:41< Gambit> I've only got 12 channels so it's no biggie here. 20100717 18:17:52< Aethaeryn> /wesnoth is only 7 20100717 18:18:00< Gambit> You strange outgoing people with 50+ channels 20100717 18:18:09< Aethaeryn> then there's a handful of other ones I know of like the lobby chan... that are just too active that's too annoying to join 20100717 18:18:23< Aethaeryn> eh, I try to never go above 19 or so 20100717 18:18:27< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Which seven? 20100717 18:18:45< Aethaeryn> alt+1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,q,w,e,r,t,y,u,i,o 20100717 18:18:46< Gambit> I've got 8 wesnoth channels; you're not in two. 20100717 18:18:47< Aethaeryn> or something like that 20100717 18:19:03< Aethaeryn> you're not in #wesnoth-mp 20100717 18:19:04< Gambit> Which means there is a wesnoth channel I'm not in :o 20100717 18:19:09< Aethaeryn> which, granted, was more active 1-2 years ago 20100717 18:19:22< Aethaeryn> also #Wesnoth-la 20100717 18:19:38< Aethaeryn> which ones am I not in? 20100717 18:19:41< Aethaeryn> The lobby ones don't count, btw 20100717 18:19:51< Gambit> Yes they do! :P 20100717 18:19:58< Gambit> Aethaeryn: you're not in #wesnothxp 20100717 18:20:05< Gambit> or #wesnoth-unavailable 20100717 18:20:12< Gambit> and actually I didn't count the lobby one :) 20100717 18:20:18< Aethaeryn> #wesnoth-unavailable? wtf? 20100717 18:20:31< Gambit> Aethaeryn: It's what happens when we mortals attempt to join #wensoth-umc-dev-admin 20100717 18:20:34< Aethaeryn> you tried to join a restricted? 20100717 18:20:34< Aethaeryn> ah 20100717 18:20:42< Aethaeryn> I think there's also another admin one 20100717 18:20:50< Aethaeryn> just for pure #wesnoth-dev developers 20100717 18:20:59< Aethaeryn> Wherever Jetrel hangs out, for instance. 20100717 18:21:06-!- elvish_sovereign [~elvish_so@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:21:06< Gambit> Espreon was in #wesnoth-unavailable for a while. 20100717 18:21:12< Gambit> Success! 20100717 18:21:12< Aethaeryn> Gambit: btw, you summoned elvish_sovereign 20100717 18:21:21< Aethaeryn> Within 15 minutes, so yeah... 20100717 18:21:21< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Yeah I cheated on that one, I checked the forums. 20100717 18:21:22< elvish_sovereign> wha? 20100717 18:21:34< Aethaeryn> Gambit: well, an elvish_sovereign is much easier to summon than a Turuk 20100717 18:21:43< elvish_sovereign> oh yes yes 20100717 18:21:45< Gambit> Yeah 20100717 18:21:54< elvish_sovereign> I summon Turuk! 20100717 18:21:58-!- elvish_sovereign is now known as Turuk 20100717 18:22:04< Turuk> Hello. 20100717 18:22:06< Gambit> :ooooooooooo 20100717 18:22:12< Gambit> Turuk: HEY! where have you been? 20100717 18:22:16< Gambit> Turuk: :P 20100717 18:22:22< Turuk> I was in the military 20100717 18:22:26< Gambit> Interesting, on nick change quassel changed the color assigned to you. 20100717 18:22:39< Turuk> xD 20100717 18:22:43< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen Turuk 20100717 18:22:43<+wesbot> Aethaeryn: Queried user last spoke 4s ago. Turuk is currently here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-dev. 20100717 18:22:47< Aethaeryn> :o 20100717 18:22:50< Gambit> It really facilitates nick change hiders 20100717 18:23:04< Aethaeryn> wesbot: seen Turuk_ 20100717 18:23:04<+wesbot> Aethaeryn: Sorry, I don't know of Turuk_. 20100717 18:23:23< Gambit> Last visited: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:23 pm 20100717 18:23:37< Aethaeryn> Dec 18 20100717 18:23:46< Aethaeryn> is the last time Turuk was actually seen 20100717 18:23:48< Aethaeryn> according to nickserv 20100717 18:23:55< Gambit> Last aim logon was ~february 20100717 18:27:05< Gambit> darnit why doesn't java work with ubuntu+chrome 20100717 18:27:09< Gambit> the internets were no help to me 20100717 18:30:59-!- Turuk is now known as elvish_sovereign 20100717 18:31:11< elvish_sovereign> xD 20100717 18:31:33-!- AnMaster [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:34:25< elvish_sovereign> okay 20100717 18:34:29< elvish_sovereign> re-installing ubuntu 20100717 18:39:58< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: what happened now? 20100717 18:40:05< elvish_sovereign> hmm? 20100717 18:40:10< elvish_sovereign> ahh 20100717 18:40:19< elvish_sovereign> i did'nt reinstall this morning so 20100717 18:40:40< elvish_sovereign> i updated VMWare and now am reinstalling ubuntu, so 20100717 18:40:43-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 18:54:00-!- AnMaster [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 20100717 18:59:07< elvish_sovereign> ARGH 20100717 18:59:13< elvish_sovereign> i still can't enter in the password 20100717 19:01:00< Gambit> on screen keyboard? 20100717 19:01:13< elvish_sovereign> mac has no onscreen keyboard 20100717 19:01:23< elvish_sovereign> the weird thing is i can enter my username 20100717 19:01:37-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100717 19:01:45< elvish_sovereign> i just can't enter my password 20100717 19:01:48-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 19:01:50< Gambit> elvish_sovereign perhaps the password is invisible? 20100717 19:01:54< elvish_sovereign> no way 20100717 19:02:08< Gambit> backspace it all, type it and hit enter? 20100717 19:02:15< elvish_sovereign> i tried logging in and it said invaild 20100717 19:02:22< elvish_sovereign> invalid password 20100717 19:02:48< elvish_sovereign> i've checked online, and it seems to have worked for most people... 20100717 19:02:48< elvish_sovereign> ? 20100717 19:04:44< elvish_sovereign> OH ITS WORKING NOW 20100717 19:04:51< elvish_sovereign> restarted the app 20100717 19:05:29< Gambit> rofl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8mhbqed8HA 20100717 19:05:40< Gambit> Espreon will ove that one when he gets on for the day. 20100717 19:06:49< elvish_sovereign> okay 20100717 19:06:53< elvish_sovereign> i have to go eat 20100717 19:07:30< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: congrats though 20100717 19:12:28-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 19:19:01-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100717 19:19:27-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 19:19:27-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 19:19:27-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 19:35:14-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20100717 19:38:34-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100717 19:50:10< timotei> Espreon, http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/10/revisiting-programming-fonts.html 20100717 19:52:49-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 19:52:49-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 19:52:49-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:02:44-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100717 20:04:05-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:04:05-!- fendrin [~fabi@88-134-103-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 20100717 20:04:05-!- fendrin [~fabi@wesnoth/developer/fendrin] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:11:24< timotei> Espreon, shadowmaster: ha! I can ALT+DRAG in windows any window D: 20100717 20:11:58< Valkier> Windows is more stable than Linux. 20100717 20:13:09< Aethaeryn> Windows Mobile 6.5 is far superior to Android 2.2. 20100717 20:22:02< timotei> :) 20100717 20:22:05< timotei> Valkier: yes and no 20100717 20:22:12< timotei> windows is much more "used" 20100717 20:29:53< loonycyborg> iirc some other os is the more used one in mobiles. 20100717 20:30:50-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:30:55< loonycyborg> Namely Symbian 20100717 20:33:52-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20100717 20:37:01-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20100717 20:38:10-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:38:19< timotei> Gambit: ping! 20100717 20:38:34< Gambit> timotei: pong! 20100717 20:38:43< timotei> Gambit: what irc client you use on Windows? 20100717 20:38:54< timotei> Gambit: I use a cracked version of XChat and it gives me random errors:| 20100717 20:39:04< Gambit> timotei: Quassel 20100717 20:39:28< timotei> and it works like it should? Sound for higlighting, tray icon only, etc 20100717 20:39:29< timotei> ? 20100717 20:39:58< Gambit> timotei: It's perfect except the logs. 20100717 20:40:03< timotei> what?? 20100717 20:40:09< timotei> html only?:-S 20100717 20:40:15< Gambit> The logs are stored in an sqlite database. 20100717 20:40:20< timotei> oh god 20100717 20:40:25< Gambit> And on windows it doesn't prompt you for a password or username for the database -_- 20100717 20:40:28< timotei> well, I'll compile it myself them 20100717 20:40:31< Gambit> So even if you have sqlite you can't open it 20100717 20:41:12< Gambit> I wish the logs were in html. 20100717 20:41:19< timotei> damn 20100717 20:41:19< Gambit> Actually wait, I'm on ubuntu now. 20100717 20:41:30< Gambit> It should use my system pass I guess... 20100717 20:41:33< Gambit> hurray 20100717 20:41:34< timotei> :)) 20100717 20:41:48< Gambit> So actually I wish for it to stay sqlite 20100717 20:42:02< Gambit> because my coldfusion server can connect to that! 20100717 20:42:09< Gambit> (with a little work) 20100717 20:43:33< timotei> :)) 20100717 20:43:37-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20100717 20:44:46-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 20:46:55 * Gambit flees! 20100717 20:58:00-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 21:04:31-!- AnMaster [~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 21:08:35-!- e_s-iOS [~esios@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 21:10:19< e_s-iOS> So I didn't really get a chance to use ubuntu yet but it looks pretty good 20100717 21:11:50< e_s-iOS> Gambit: ^ 20100717 21:33:37< Espreon> timotei: Uh, OK... 20100717 21:34:11< timotei> itsn't it cool?:D 20100717 21:34:14< timotei> hi shadowm_laptop 20100717 21:34:24< timotei> hi Espreon, too 20100717 21:34:37< timotei> god, it's so hot in here:| 20100717 21:35:12< Espreon> Yeah, that and that article are brilliant. 20100717 21:35:25< Espreon> Uh, Ok... 20100717 21:35:28< Espreon> *OK 20100717 21:38:05< timotei> well, I think I should run umcpropfix on my files before commiting 20100717 21:38:11< timotei> or do you enjoy it Espreon ? 20100717 21:38:12< timotei> :-) 20100717 21:38:31< Espreon> Uh... 20100717 21:38:53< Espreon> Well, if you want do: "umcpropfix && svn propdel svn:keywords -R ." 20100717 21:38:58< Espreon> Run that in utils/java 20100717 21:44:18-!- e_s-iOS [~esios@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100717 21:56:00< Espreon> Hmmmm, maybe I should give gallium another spin... for teh lulz. 20100717 21:59:29< Valkier> shadowmaster: Are you tinkering with the forums some more? 20100717 22:03:09< shadowmaster> no 20100717 22:05:06< Valkier> Hmm. Everything is going very slowly. Guess it's my connection. 20100717 22:09:53< shadowmaster> no 20100717 22:12:45< Espreon> Now to restart X. 20100717 22:19:05< Espreon> Nope, gallium is still crappy over here. 20100717 22:20:34< Espreon> I'm not going to bother with gallium again until it surpasses the classic driver in every manner or is removed. 20100717 22:20:57-!- Blueblaze [~Blueblaze@adsl-76-202-21-28.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 22:21:03< Espreon> (The classic driver being removed) 20100717 22:32:55< Espreon> ... and this thing's throwing another fit. 20100717 22:33:01< Espreon> I hate laptops... 20100717 22:34:46< Aethaeryn> I hate irrationality. 20100717 22:35:00< Espreon> Oh? 20100717 22:40:44-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: A day without sunshine is like .... night] 20100717 22:42:03< Aethaeryn> Espreon: I think the world would be a better place if we all just moved to an island full of smart people. 20100717 22:42:10< Aethaeryn> And left everyone else to do whatever else they wanted to do. 20100717 22:42:19< Aethaeryn> Then everyone gets what they want. 20100717 22:43:47< Gambit> Aethaeryn: wkuk sketch in bound 20100717 22:43:54< Gambit> do not attempt to adjust your television set 20100717 22:43:55< Aethaeryn> k 20100717 22:44:11< Gambit> Aethaeryn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anKL-v3fU2E 20100717 22:44:19< Gambit> How would the dumb people get on without you??? ^ 20100717 22:44:33< Aethaeryn> Gambit: I basically just use YouTube for various lectures now. 20100717 22:44:50< Aethaeryn> Life's too short to waste it on stupid stuff. 20100717 22:55:45-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20100717 22:56:08-!- thespaceinvader [~chatzilla@wesnoth/artist/thespaceinvader] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939]] 20100717 23:10:09-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [] 20100717 23:10:36-!- Gambit [~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 23:13:11-!- timotei [~timotei@wesnoth/developer/timotei] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20100717 23:30:41< Gambit> I miss dreamweaver fixing all my typos and mistakes for me :( 20100717 23:38:26-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev 20100717 23:55:23< Espreon> Ah, the MS Office installation disc was with the good silverware. --- Log closed Sun Jul 18 00:00:10 2010