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20100719 00:00:16< shadowmaster> good
20100719 00:00:24< elvish_sovereign> sorry again
20100719 00:00:31< elvish_sovereign> i really didn't mean it that way
20100719 00:00:49< shadowmaster> don't worry
20100719 00:00:55< Gambit> I wonder if I can make franbot check my PMs every 60 seconds.
20100719 00:01:03< shadowmaster> just keep in mind to avoid incredibly ambiguous comments in the future
20100719 00:01:17< shadowmaster> unless it's for comedic purposes.
20100719 00:01:37< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100719 00:01:43< elvish_sovereign> :)
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20100719 01:16:50< Gambit> shadowmaster: around?
20100719 01:18:50< Espreon> Heh, "... for mine honor."
20100719 01:18:56< Espreon> Only in "Berserk", I suppose.
20100719 01:19:00< Espreon> Valkier: ^
20100719 01:19:18< Espreon> I guess I'm just reading a good translation.
20100719 01:23:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: I have to leave for a little bit soon so I guess I'll just ask and you can answer whenever.
20100719 01:24:16< Gambit> shadowmaster: Would there be any load issues if franbot started reading all public forum rss feeds every 30 seconds?
20100719 01:24:33< Gambit> shadowmaster: 30|45|60|120
20100719 01:24:47< Valkier> Espreon: GATSU!
20100719 01:24:57 * Espreon chuckles
20100719 01:24:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: Because after I port all her actual commands to Janebot, I want to make franbot only serve as a forum checking robot.
20100719 01:25:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: People subscribe to specific forums, she checks them all and private messages subscribers on new posts.
20100719 01:25:23< Espreon> Misuta Kurinu!
20100719 01:25:43< Valkier> GRIFFITH!
20100719 01:25:45< Gambit> shadowmaster: But if it will effect performance at wesnoth.org then of course I won't do that.
20100719 01:26:09< Espreon> Valkier: Blargh, noöne cares about Griffith...
20100719 01:26:17< Valkier> Oh you will.
20100719 01:26:20< Gambit> shadowmaster: Actually I will probably leave off high post rate/useless forums
20100719 01:26:21< Valkier> YOU WILL!
20100719 01:26:34< Valkier> You gotten to how Guts lost his arm and eye yet?
20100719 01:26:37< Gambit> shadowmaster: Such as users, ideas, off topic, and game development
20100719 01:26:46< Espreon> Valkier: Uh, yeah.
20100719 01:27:02< Espreon> Currently, I'm at the part where he escaped the fanatical knights.
20100719 01:27:29< Valkier> ahh
20100719 01:27:38< Gambit> shadowmaster: So 19 requests every 30|45|60|120 seconds
20100719 01:27:44< Espreon> Heh... possessed horse: "I WILL MOUNT YOU!"
20100719 01:28:03< Gambit> shadowmaster: Compared to normal forum usage it doesn't seem that bad.
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20100719 01:28:33< Gambit> Anyway I'm off for a bike ride. Let me know when you read all that in your away log. :)
20100719 01:28:47< Espreon> People still ride bikes?
20100719 01:28:54< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: requests every 15 minutes, please
20100719 01:29:00< shadowm_laptop> or 10 minutes.
20100719 01:29:17< Espreon> I thought that by this year, everyone would start riding unicycles...
20100719 01:29:50< Gambit> hmm okay. As long as no forum experiences 10 posts in 10 minutes that'd work
20100719 01:30:16< shadowm_laptop> that shouldn't happen.
20100719 01:30:27< shadowm_laptop> personally I set my feed reader to check stuff every...
20100719 01:30:33< shadowm_laptop> 15 minutes
20100719 01:30:44< shadowm_laptop> also stop using "rss". It's silly.
20100719 01:30:52< shadowm_laptop> XML feeds should do.
20100719 01:31:42< Espreon> What about Really Simple Syndication?
20100719 01:32:16< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: IT'S NOT RSS
20100719 01:32:24< Gambit> "IT'S ATOM"
20100719 01:32:24< shadowm_laptop> goddammit.
20100719 01:32:31< Gambit> shadowm_laptop: meh
20100719 01:32:43< Gambit> feeds are feeds
20100719 01:32:46< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: Noöne cares...
20100719 01:32:49< shadowm_laptop> why are you so stubborn
20100719 01:32:56< Espreon> It's not serious shit, like dashes.
20100719 01:32:57< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: don't do that.
20100719 01:33:00< Gambit> it's like when you say you're going to "google" something  even though you use wikipedia most of the time
20100719 01:33:12< Espreon> Now, dashes are serious shit.
20100719 01:33:20< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: stop it
20100719 01:33:26< Espreon> Sigh...
20100719 01:33:33< Espreon> You people no longer amuse me...
20100719 01:33:50< shadowm_laptop> this isn't an amusement park
20100719 01:34:09< shadowm_laptop> so if you need amusement search for it elsewhere
20100719 01:34:18< Espreon> It beeþ a lie...
20100719 01:35:05< Gambit> Or not...
20100719 01:36:03< Espreon> Well...
20100719 01:36:26< Espreon> Hmmmm... I really need to memorize... the perfect response.
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20100719 01:37:49< Espreon> Blargh...
20100719 01:39:48< Espreon> Hath anyone verily existed a stones throw unwavering quite assured to employ thee venture yonder desireth to be become appear vastly similar?
20100719 01:40:28< Espreon> Gambit: ?
20100719 01:41:00< Gambit> hwæt?
20100719 01:41:05< Espreon> Well...
20100719 01:41:33< Espreon> That is the Bayeux Tapestry version of "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
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20100719 01:43:42 * Espreon wonders if Gambit even knows about that meme...
20100719 01:56:02< loonycyborg> The above discussion confuses me big time..
20100719 01:57:21< Espreon> Well, look up the meme in question...
20100719 01:58:19< loonycyborg> Bayeux Tapestry? That sounds familiar. But the "Has anyone.. " phrase is not..
20100719 01:59:48< Espreon> The latter is more recent.
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20100719 02:32:00< Espreon> God damn it pofix... let's go...
20100719 02:34:51< Espreon> You know what? Screw this.
20100719 02:35:15< Espreon> Until pofix get's quicker, I'm not going to bother with it.
20100719 02:36:08< Espreon> Byez for nowz...
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20100719 03:12:23< Gambit> :(
20100719 03:12:26< Gambit> I have to get MySQL
20100719 03:12:34< Gambit> lamey lameness
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20100719 03:31:04< Gambit> and 18 agonizing minutes later we haz database
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20100719 03:31:44< Gambit> MySQL is a great way to train typing accuracy. :)
20100719 03:33:17< Gambit> WOW
20100719 03:33:25< Gambit> java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][MySQL JDBC Driver]Connections to MySQL Community Server are not supported. Please contact MySQL to obtain a MySQL Enterprise or Commercial version.
20100719 03:33:26< Gambit> Ha
20100719 03:33:28< Gambit> HAHA
20100719 03:33:35< Gambit> Hahahahaha. No.
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20100719 03:34:30< Gambit> Aethaeryn: look at this error I just got
20100719 03:34:32< Gambit> java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][MySQL JDBC Driver]Connections to MySQL Community Server are not supported. Please contact MySQL to obtain a MySQL Enterprise or Commercial version.
20100719 03:34:50< Aethaeryn> k
20100719 03:35:12< Aethaeryn> Gambit: that is what you call "the people at Oracle are fuckers" exception
20100719 03:35:25< Aethaeryn> I'm sure Coldfusion has its limitations too without full Adobe licenses.
20100719 03:35:36< Aethaeryn> Gambit: there are forks, you know
20100719 03:35:42< Gambit> Well apparently coldfusion has two different ways of connecting to mySQL
20100719 03:35:46< Gambit> the first one threw that
20100719 03:35:49< Gambit> the second works
20100719 03:35:53< Aethaeryn> oh good
20100719 03:36:20< Gambit> "DataDirect" and "4/5" respectively
20100719 03:36:29< Gambit> what's the difference? who really knows...
20100719 03:36:54< Gambit> Aethaeryn: and yeah the limitation on ColdFusion developer edition is that only two outside IP addresses can access it
20100719 03:37:05< Aethaeryn> hahahahaha
20100719 03:37:10< Aethaeryn> that's a pretty damn big restriction
20100719 03:37:20< Gambit> Well it's for development, not production
20100719 03:37:22< Aethaeryn> and that is why learning ColdFusion isn't too useful and why no one uses it.
20100719 03:37:31< Aethaeryn> because most people like to publish their code
20100719 03:37:42< Gambit> Aethaeryn: well for free (open source) production you use Railo
20100719 03:38:01< Gambit> though I imagine someday I will save up and buy ColdFusion
20100719 03:38:06< Aethaeryn> just use free
20100719 03:38:14< Gambit> That's what I'm using is the free dev one
20100719 03:38:14< Aethaeryn> don't save up and buy something if you're not going to make money back
20100719 03:38:28< Aethaeryn> i.e. if you're not going to make money on your website, definite money, don't pay for any tech at all
20100719 03:38:28< Gambit> I don't need outside people accessing my server
20100719 03:38:31< Aethaeryn> it'll just up the cost of running it
20100719 03:38:35< Gambit> I don't think the router even allows it right now
20100719 03:38:43< Aethaeryn> port forwarding
20100719 03:38:49< Aethaeryn> you need to forward the proper ports to the right local IP
20100719 03:38:51< Gambit> Yeah... not allowed :(
20100719 03:38:59< Aethaeryn> e.g. 192.168.1.103 or 192.168.1.104
20100719 03:39:07< Aethaeryn> for linksys
20100719 03:39:23< Aethaeryn> for some reason they start around there for wired fixed connections
20100719 03:39:31< Aethaeryn> and the wireless fills 192.168.1.101 :P
20100719 03:40:01< Gambit> but yeah if I ever hosted my own coldfusion site I'd probably go with Railo
20100719 03:40:01< Aethaeryn> k
20100719 03:40:17< Aethaeryn> it makes sense
20100719 03:40:20< Gambit> If they would add event gateways I'd have no reason not to be on Railo right now
20100719 03:40:29< Aethaeryn> unless you want a bunch of corporate features and support where they make their money...
20100719 03:40:37< Gambit> Aethaeryn: support?
20100719 03:40:39< Gambit> I've got bloggers!
20100719 03:40:44< Aethaeryn> exactly.
20100719 03:41:00< Aethaeryn> Corporations can't rely on bloggers and grumpy I-know-more-than-you IRCers
20100719 03:41:10< Aethaeryn> They like to have phone support 'n stuff
20100719 03:41:43< Aethaeryn> and the biggest corporations like Google don't even need that
20100719 03:41:48< Aethaeryn> they'll just fucking hire the guys who made the tech.
20100719 03:42:13< Aethaeryn> want to switch from ext2 filesystem to ext4? Hire the damn guy who wrote ext4 to work for you just in case you need the support :-P
20100719 03:42:55< Aethaeryn> lifecycle of Google
20100719 03:43:14< Gambit> ha
20100719 03:43:16< Aethaeryn> employee
20100719 03:44:01< Aethaeryn> hired by Google -> becomes a millionaire after a few years -> quits to make an innovative startup company -> his company gets bought back up by Google to be integrated with Android and he works for them again -> repeat as necessary
20100719 03:44:13< Aethaeryn> yeah, it's amazing how many ex-Googlers wind up back in Google... you can't escape :-P
20100719 03:44:34< Aethaeryn> just any typical employee does that :P
20100719 03:44:47< Aethaeryn> so many funny Google stories.
20100719 03:45:33< Gambit> at any rate
20100719 03:45:38< Gambit> I just made a database through the console
20100719 03:45:42 * Gambit feels cool.
20100719 03:45:44< Aethaeryn> yep, at any rate...
20100719 03:45:47< Aethaeryn> at any velocity...
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20100719 03:45:56< Gambit> Isn't velocity a vector?
20100719 03:46:16< Aethaeryn> protip: say something slightly wrong in a technical (aka. any) IRC channel.
20100719 03:46:19< Aethaeryn> XD
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20100719 03:46:25< Aethaeryn> you don't even need to try to troll
20100719 03:46:44< Aethaeryn> all that cold and arcane magic those trolls do is just too powerful for IRC
20100719 03:47:32< Gambit> Aethaeryn: So I'm reworking my one robot so all it will do is check the forums
20100719 03:47:42< Gambit> and peoeple will be able to subscribe to specific forums for updates
20100719 03:47:44< Aethaeryn> bot
20100719 03:47:48< Aethaeryn> not robot :P
20100719 03:47:54< Aethaeryn> unless you gave it a corporeal form?
20100719 03:47:57< Gambit> Difference?
20100719 03:48:04< Aethaeryn> bot -> IRC term
20100719 03:48:12< Aethaeryn> robot -> something you build with robotics and stuff
20100719 03:48:20< Aethaeryn> op -> IRC term
20100719 03:48:25< Aethaeryn> operator -> someone you call when you dial "0"
20100719 03:48:35< Gambit> fine
20100719 03:48:37< Gambit> my one bot
20100719 03:48:37< Aethaeryn> et cetera
20100719 03:48:39< Gambit> :\
20100719 03:48:43< Aethaeryn> oh
20100719 03:48:48< Aethaeryn> there's also robots.txt
20100719 03:48:55< Gambit> indeed
20100719 03:49:02< Gambit> but everyone knows that google uses *real* robots
20100719 03:49:05< Gambit> sitting at the keyboard
20100719 03:49:07< Gambit> typing
20100719 03:49:13< Aethaeryn> no, fool
20100719 03:49:16< Aethaeryn> Google uses androids.
20100719 03:49:20< Gambit> ah
20100719 03:49:21< Aethaeryn> Difference is that they have human form
20100719 03:49:27< Aethaeryn> You can't tell the difference between them and humans.
20100719 03:49:30< Aethaeryn> And they run Android 3.0 already.
20100719 03:49:39< Aethaeryn> So we're all fucked.
20100719 03:49:39< Gambit> ⒸLucasarts
20100719 03:49:48< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Lucasarts has droids.
20100719 03:49:52< Aethaeryn> Google has androids
20100719 03:50:01< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droid
20100719 03:50:09< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android
20100719 03:50:13< Aethaeryn> Androids are humanoid robots.
20100719 03:50:15< Aethaeryn> Droids, not necessarily.
20100719 03:50:32< Gambit> at any measure of magnitude or frequency over a measure of time
20100719 03:50:33< Aethaeryn> Yes, you're an ubergeek if you correct someone on that :-P
20100719 03:50:53< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Yes... moving at any velocity except those really damn close to c.
20100719 03:51:05< Aethaeryn> everyone knows the shit hits the fan close to c
20100719 03:51:31< Gambit> the defecation hits the oscillation
20100719 03:52:09< Aethaeryn> I should make a game...
20100719 03:52:17< Aethaeryn> where you can travel close to c...
20100719 03:52:24< Aethaeryn> but it makes a few years seem like a few minutes or w/e.
20100719 03:52:40< Aethaeryn> So wars, literally are waged for centuries, but it seems like days for the combatants.
20100719 03:54:05< Aethaeryn> Hmmm
20100719 03:54:20< Aethaeryn> I'm going to make a measurement called "way better than a meter"
20100719 03:54:39< Gambit>  How many way better than a meters tall is the average person?
20100719 03:54:46< Aethaeryn> instead of c being 299,792,468 m/s, it'll be 3,000,000 m/s
20100719 03:54:59< Aethaeryn> *300,000,000
20100719 03:55:00< Aethaeryn> whoops
20100719 03:55:02< Aethaeryn> but the point is
20100719 03:55:14< Aethaeryn> if you're judging m by c, at least make it how metric was originally supposed to be
20100719 03:55:19< Aethaeryn> where there's neat conversions
20100719 03:55:42< Gambit> away for a bit
20100719 03:57:31< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#In_a_medium
20100719 03:57:52< Aethaeryn> I like how Pink Floyd effectively stole the damn symbol of a light passing through a prism.
20100719 03:58:07< Aethaeryn> click on that image and 99% of its uses are for articles related to them, not light.
20100719 04:00:05< Gambit> They're just that awesome.
20100719 04:00:17< Aethaeryn> k
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20100719 04:05:19< Gambit> hmmm I just ran into a website that requires M$ silverlight
20100719 04:05:24< Gambit> I wonder how that works with linud
20100719 04:06:05< Aethaeryn> Gambit: there's a silverlight that you can get through Novell
20100719 04:06:15< Aethaeryn> that works under Linux... probably Suse, Ubuntu, and Fedora
20100719 04:06:29< Aethaeryn> or you just say "fuck silverlight" and don't use it like 99.78% of Linux users who encounter a silverlight site.
20100719 04:06:36< Gambit> I dunno M$ redirected me to go-mono.com
20100719 04:06:40< Gambit> and there's soemthing about novell
20100719 04:06:43< Aethaeryn> oh, sorry, 99.79%... rounded wrong
20100719 04:06:45< Gambit> and apparently I hve it now for chrome
20100719 04:06:48< Aethaeryn> and yeah, Novell.
20100719 04:06:58< Aethaeryn> Novell does .NET and Silverlight for Linux
20100719 04:07:01< Aethaeryn> since they sold their soul to Microsoft
20100719 04:07:02< Gambit> so yay
20100719 04:07:19< Aethaeryn> and yes, mono is both a disease and their implementation of .NET
20100719 04:07:24< Gambit> Idc about companies selling their souls to M$
20100719 04:07:43< Gambit> it's when they sell their souls to M$ AND take bribes to rip off non M$ customers that I get pissed
20100719 04:07:49< Aethaeryn> k
20100719 04:07:53< Gambit> (here's looking at you rockstar and treyarch)
20100719 04:08:40< Gambit> heh the eula for this thing is yellow on white
20100719 04:08:41< Gambit> wth
20100719 04:09:36< Gambit> sigh and after all that it still doesn't work
20100719 04:10:52< Gambit> oh well
20100719 04:11:18< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you never answered my question :-(
20100719 04:11:39< Aethaeryn> Gambit: and that's why you shouldn't use silverlight, btw
20100719 04:13:22< Espreon> People actually use Silverlight?
20100719 04:14:03< Gambit> Aethaeryn: which one?
20100719 04:15:40< Aethaeryn> Espreon: no, people don't really use silverlight unless microsoft pays them to use it
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20100719 04:15:49< Aethaeryn> kinda like how no one uses Bing unless microsoft pays them to use it
20100719 04:16:04< Aethaeryn> except that Bing is rivaling Google, something still popular and relevant
20100719 04:16:13< Aethaeryn> silverlight is rivaling flash, which is *so* 2006-2007
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20100719 04:16:50< Aethaeryn> haha
20100719 04:16:53< Aethaeryn> That shows my damn age
20100719 04:16:58< Aethaeryn> I go on Wikipedia to look up flash.
20100719 04:17:18< Aethaeryn> I type in "Shockwave Flash", get redirected to "Adobe Flash", which is said to be formerly "Macromedia Flash"
20100719 04:18:05< Aethaeryn> apparently the thing hasn't been called "Shockwave Flash" in some time.
20100719 04:18:14< Espreon> ... and there are already at least two Adobe Flash alternatives...
20100719 04:20:37< Aethaeryn> 1996: FutureSplash Animator; 1996: Macromedia Flash 1; 1997: Macromedia Flash 2; 1998: Macromedia Flash 3; 1999: Macromedia Flash 4; 2000: Macromedia Flash 5; 2002: Macromedia Flash MX (6); 2003: Macromedia Flash MX 2004 (7); 2005: Macromedia Flash 8; 2007: Adobe Flash CS3 Professional...
20100719 04:20:42< Aethaeryn> hmmm, I'm noticing a pattern here...
20100719 04:21:04< Aethaeryn> as soon as it switched from Macromedia to Adobe it started turning from a necessary part of Web 2.0 and used in websites everywhere to irrelevant?
20100719 04:22:09< Gambit> As long as youtube uses it, it won't be irrelevant
20100719 04:22:33< Aethaeryn> funny you said that...
20100719 04:22:42< Aethaeryn> http://www.youtube.com/html5
20100719 04:22:43< Gambit> And google is too busy selling phones to work on HTML5 right now apparently.
20100719 04:23:30< Aethaeryn> also, coincidentally...
20100719 04:23:30< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM
20100719 04:23:41< Gambit> hmm html 5
20100719 04:23:46< Gambit> so they do have it working?
20100719 04:24:11< Aethaeryn> use Chrome
20100719 04:24:17< Aethaeryn> of course they get it working in Chrome first
20100719 04:24:24< Aethaeryn> and yes, Chrome runs on Linux, used it to get to that page
20100719 04:24:36< Gambit> I am using chrome
20100719 04:24:52< Gambit> java won't work on chrome on ubuntu though
20100719 04:24:56< Gambit> so I have to keep failfox around :(
20100719 04:25:20< Aethaeryn> more like failbuntu
20100719 04:25:29< Gambit> nope it's failfox
20100719 04:25:34< Aethaeryn> never noticed any javascript problems on chrome in Fedora
20100719 04:25:42< Gambit> Not javascript
20100719 04:25:43< Aethaeryn> idk why there's this big myth that Ubuntu has better support in everything
20100719 04:25:44< Gambit> java
20100719 04:26:18< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: 1) Java != Javascript
20100719 04:26:20< Aethaeryn> ah, no one uses crapplets
20100719 04:26:26< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I know, it's just that I misread it
20100719 04:26:45< shadowmaster> 2) Stop blaming Ubuntu for everything.
20100719 04:26:46< Aethaeryn> I really haven't seen java used in anything but IRC clients since... mid 2000s?
20100719 04:26:52< Aethaeryn> replaced by flash long ago
20100719 04:26:59< Aethaeryn> and if you use java for IRC, you are a n00b
20100719 04:27:02< Gambit> Hi
20100719 04:27:12< Gambit> And no I don't.
20100719 04:27:17< shadowmaster> 3) You are a n00b.
20100719 04:27:20< Gambit> I use Java for minecraft because that's what it's written in.
20100719 04:27:26< shadowmaster> (Aethaeryn, I mean)
20100719 04:27:45< Gambit> And the in-browser mode has a higher framerate than the standalone one.
20100719 04:27:50< Gambit> So I have 1 reason to keep failfox around.
20100719 04:28:00< Gambit> shadowmaster: I made a database in terminal
20100719 04:28:02< Gambit> and it was awesome
20100719 04:28:09< shadowmaster> Gambit: n00b.
20100719 04:28:12< Gambit> I made like a gazillian typos
20100719 04:28:18< Gambit> but I finally got a 3 column table!
20100719 04:28:33< Gambit> n00b?
20100719 04:28:36< Gambit> But it's mySQL
20100719 04:29:06< shadowmaster> can you link me to a java application?
20100719 04:29:08< shadowmaster> I'm trying java.freenode.net but it seems to be down or something
20100719 04:29:17< shadowmaster> load: class IRCApplet.class not found.
20100719 04:29:19< shadowmaster> java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: IRCApplet.class
20100719 04:29:34< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://minecraft.net/play.jsp
20100719 04:29:53< Gambit> java applet
20100719 04:30:06< shadowmaster> load: class org.lwjgl.util.applet.AppletLoader not found.
20100719 04:30:06< shadowmaster> java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.lwjgl.util.applet.AppletLoader
20100719 04:30:22< shadowmaster> both in Chrome and Firefx.
20100719 04:30:22< Gambit> Darn your java is broken.
20100719 04:30:24< shadowmaster> Firefox.
20100719 04:30:38< shadowmaster> I don't think it's broken.
20100719 04:30:38 * Gambit uses OpenJDK despite timotei's warnings.
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20100719 04:30:45< shadowmaster> I can run Eclipse.
20100719 04:30:56< Gambit> The real sun JRE isn't available for "amd64"...
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20100719 04:31:12< shadowmaster> although I don't remember whether Eclipse uses its own JRE or the system's
20100719 04:31:24< shadowmaster> Gambit: err...I have Sun/Oracle's.
20100719 04:31:28< shadowmaster> and this is amd64
20100719 04:31:34< Gambit> weird
20100719 04:31:36< Gambit> it won't let me get it
20100719 04:31:42< Aethaeryn> Gambit: you play games? where do you get the time?
20100719 04:31:44< Gambit> the ubuntu software center has no download button
20100719 04:31:44< shadowmaster> okay, actually.
20100719 04:31:51< Gambit> s/download/install
20100719 04:31:59< shadowmaster> I can't run Eclipse either.
20100719 04:32:01< shadowmaster> :p
20100719 04:32:08< Aethaeryn> wow
20100719 04:32:08< shadowmaster> wtf.
20100719 04:32:15< Aethaeryn> how can you develop for Android without Eclipse?
20100719 04:32:15< Aethaeryn> :o
20100719 04:32:16< shadowmaster> It was working some months ago.
20100719 04:32:30< shadowmaster> who the hell is developing what for Android?
20100719 04:32:52< shadowmaster> wait
20100719 04:32:53< Gambit> noobs and illegal music downloads respectively
20100719 04:33:28< shadowmaster> gaaah.
20100719 04:33:41< Gambit> shadowmaster: openjdk
20100719 04:34:22< shadowmaster> yeah, I'll uninstall it
20100719 04:34:29< shadowmaster> although...
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20100719 04:36:47< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~/src/frogatto$ sudo update-alternatives --display java
20100719 04:36:51< shadowmaster> java - manual mode link currently points to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
20100719 04:37:04 * shadowmaster ponders this
20100719 04:39:42< Gambit> shadowmaster: Sorry Sun Java 6.0 Plugin is not available for this type of computer (amd64).
20100719 04:39:44< Gambit> sadnes
20100719 04:40:47< shadowmaster> Java Plug-in 1.6.0_20
20100719 04:40:47< shadowmaster> Using JRE version 1.6.0_20-b02 Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM
20100719 04:40:51< shadowmaster> User home directory = /home/shadowm
20100719 04:41:03< shadowmaster> :|
20100719 04:41:19< shadowmaster> get your package manager to do something
20100719 04:41:40< Gambit> And when I try to get it via terminal
20100719 04:41:44< Gambit> it says it doesn't exist
20100719 04:41:51< shadowmaster> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
20100719 04:42:35< Gambit> Reading package lists... Done
20100719 04:42:36< Gambit> Building dependency tree       
20100719 04:42:38< Gambit> Reading state information... Done
20100719 04:42:39< Gambit> E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-plugin
20100719 04:42:42< shadowmaster> or ask in #ubuntu or something
20100719 04:43:06< Gambit> well openjdk is working for now
20100719 04:43:16< Gambit> so I won't rock the boat until I'm better at this linux stuff
20100719 04:46:49< shadowmaster> I think I just screwd up something due to mixing packages from Experimental ;)
20100719 04:47:37< shadowmaster> on the other hand, I seem to be using the latest proprietary JRE packages
20100719 04:48:51< Gambit> totally worth it
20100719 04:49:12< shadowmaster> uh?
20100719 04:49:37< Gambit> no?
20100719 04:49:43< shadowmaster> what?
20100719 04:49:57< Espreon> Hwæt?
20100719 04:50:04< Gambit> screwing something up is totally worth working java
20100719 04:50:15 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100719 04:50:19< shadowmaster> ...but Java isn't working.
20100719 04:53:54< shadowmaster> bah, screw java
20100719 04:54:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: noooo you need to get it working so you can play minecraft
20100719 04:54:53< Gambit> get openjdk
20100719 04:54:59< shadowmaster> no.
20100719 04:55:05< Gambit> why not?
20100719 04:55:07< shadowmaster> I'm not downloading ~50 MB atm
20100719 04:55:12< shadowmaster> the mirror is being slow.
20100719 04:55:31< shadowmaster> and I'm not interested in playing minecraft either.
20100719 04:55:36< Gambit> alright well see you all tomorow
20100719 04:55:45< shadowmaster> So since there's nothing that justifies bothering with Java, screw Java.
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20100719 04:55:59< shadowmaster> I'd say "screw Oracle" if it wasn't for VirtualBox and MySQL
20100719 04:59:02< shadowmaster> nothing interesting in mesa master today
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20100719 04:59:42< Espreon> Sigh...
20100719 05:01:10< shadowmaster> http://xkcd.com/619/
20100719 05:02:01< Espreon> Heh...
20100719 05:02:14< shadowmaster> then there's this: http://asset.soup.io/asset/0453/8747_0991_800.png
20100719 05:05:15< shadowmaster> in any case that strip would do well if we replaced some text with "KERNEL MODE SETTING"
20100719 05:05:26< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: you are PM'ng me?
20100719 05:05:38< elvish_sovereign> yes
20100719 05:05:40< elvish_sovereign> i was
20100719 05:05:46< shadowmaster> 22:32:15 [Freenode] -!- elvish_sovereign ~elvish_so@pool-173-59-71-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net is messaging you, and  you have umode +g.
20100719 05:06:01< elvish_sovereign> ?
20100719 05:06:04< elvish_sovereign> ok...
20100719 05:06:06< shadowmaster> does it really need to be by PM?
20100719 05:06:12< elvish_sovereign> well, no
20100719 05:06:15< elvish_sovereign> i guess
20100719 05:06:22< shadowmaster> I decided to block PMs since I tend to forget to check them
20100719 05:06:34< elvish_sovereign> you know that campaign renaming I told you yesterday?
20100719 05:06:40< shadowmaster> since they end up far from the window list's visible area
20100719 05:06:47< elvish_sovereign> you would mind actually if i took it upon myself?
20100719 05:06:48< elvish_sovereign> oh ok
20100719 05:06:50< shadowmaster> campaign renaming...hm. no
20100719 05:06:56< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100719 05:07:02< elvish_sovereign> just wondering
20100719 05:07:08< shadowmaster> you mean the difficulty stuff?
20100719 05:07:11< elvish_sovereign> yeah
20100719 05:07:27< shadowmaster> you mean submitting patches?
20100719 05:07:34< elvish_sovereign> well
20100719 05:07:38< elvish_sovereign> it's just WML....
20100719 05:07:54< elvish_sovereign> there's no actual code, just markup language stuff
20100719 05:07:56< shadowmaster> and? who said that WML can't be diff'd and patch'd? :)
20100719 05:08:06< elvish_sovereign> true
20100719 05:08:09< elvish_sovereign> i guess
20100719 05:08:22< shadowmaster> by convention we use patches for anything that isn't "binary" in mainline
20100719 05:08:33< shadowmaster> (i.e. anything that can be differentiated using a toolo such as 'svn diff')
20100719 05:08:39< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100719 05:08:58< shadowmaster> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PatchSubmissionGuidelines
20100719 05:09:22< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100719 05:09:30< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100719 05:09:30< shadowmaster> it needs to be based on trunk, of course.
20100719 05:09:48< elvish_sovereign> wait, so you want me to, or not?
20100719 05:09:53< elvish_sovereign> i'm a little confused
20100719 05:09:59< shadowmaster> and if you do submit it, do it in the patch tracker and mention the patch item number in the FR as a new ocmment
20100719 05:10:17< elvish_sovereign> so yes?
20100719 05:10:17< shadowmaster> hm, I wasn't going to do anything with your feature since WML isn't within my territory :)
20100719 05:10:26< elvish_sovereign> ok, no?
20100719 05:10:37< shadowmaster> and FRs tend to be better received when the person has code to show
20100719 05:10:49< elvish_sovereign> hmm?
20100719 05:10:49< shadowmaster> Translation: yes.
20100719 05:10:56< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100719 05:12:42< shadowmaster> Espreon: we have a problem here.
20100719 05:13:13< shadowmaster> so you'd better show up before I start crying in the bathroom out of frustration.
20100719 05:13:39< shadowmaster> I had forgotten about mnewton1's application for Ageless Era
20100719 05:13:47< Espreon> ... and?
20100719 05:13:59< shadowmaster> well, what do you think?
20100719 05:14:06< shadowmaster> shall we accept it or not?
20100719 05:14:22< Espreon> May I see it?
20100719 05:14:51< shadowmaster> check your PM inbox
20100719 05:15:06< Espreon> OK.
20100719 05:15:25< shadowmaster> I'll ask my oracle meanwhile
20100719 05:15:46 * Espreon shrugs
20100719 05:16:22< shadowmaster> [23:16:09] <Shadow_Master> EIGHTBALL should we accept mnewton1's addon into Wesnoth-UMC-Dev?
20100719 05:16:25< shadowmaster> [23:16:09] *GameServ* Sometime in the near future.
20100719 05:16:31< shadowmaster> -.-'
20100719 05:16:39< shadowmaster> Okay, he wins.
20100719 05:17:04< shadowmaster> Espreon: could you take care of the registry entry while I manage to login to SF.net?
20100719 05:18:21< Espreon> You seriously asked the magic eightball?
20100719 05:18:46< shadowmaster> yes, hwy not?
20100719 05:18:53< shadowmaster> *jeß
20100719 05:19:41< Espreon> ...
20100719 05:19:45< Espreon> Get out!
20100719 05:20:15< shadowmaster> nay
20100719 05:20:37< shadowmaster> okay, he's added.
20100719 05:21:48< shadowmaster> someone's been adding people to SF.net and not unchecking the "shell access" permission
20100719 05:24:21<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: shikadilord * r7417 /branches/1.8/Ageless_Era/: Admin: create empty dir for Ageless_Era, by mnewton1
20100719 05:28:07< shadowmaster> okay, sent him the reply.
20100719 05:39:49< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster: I'm not sure if i quite get the svn diff part
20100719 05:39:56< elvish_sovereign> if you have some time, care to explain a bit?
20100719 05:39:57< elvish_sovereign> thanks
20100719 05:40:07< elvish_sovereign> everything else i know
20100719 05:41:18< shadowmaster> hm
20100719 05:41:21< Espreon> elvish_sovereign: svn diff is a command that shows your local changes... like diff would...
20100719 05:41:26< shadowmaster> what OS are you using?
20100719 05:41:26< Espreon> Yeahz...
20100719 05:41:30< elvish_sovereign> Mac
20100719 05:41:42< shadowmaster> Mac OS X, I hope.
20100719 05:41:47< elvish_sovereign> oh yes
20100719 05:41:49< elvish_sovereign> xD
20100719 05:41:55< elvish_sovereign> 10.6.2 to be exact
20100719 05:41:57< shadowmaster> do you have svn installed?
20100719 05:42:04< elvish_sovereign> let's see....
20100719 05:42:10< elvish_sovereign> nope
20100719 05:42:18< elvish_sovereign> let's do that first :)
20100719 05:42:20< shadowmaster> http://subversion.apache.org/packages.html#osx
20100719 05:42:31< shadowmaster> oh, btw, it's a terminal application.
20100719 05:42:56< elvish_sovereign> hmm
20100719 05:42:59< elvish_sovereign> i need fink?
20100719 05:43:01< elvish_sovereign> argh
20100719 05:43:19< elvish_sovereign> or not
20100719 05:43:19< shadowmaster> dunno
20100719 05:43:29< shadowmaster> I see multiple options in that page
20100719 05:44:30< elvish_sovereign> i tried the rest
20100719 05:44:40< elvish_sovereign> not going to give out info to some website
20100719 05:48:24< elvish_sovereign> installing fink...
20100719 05:53:32< elvish_sovereign> hmmm
20100719 05:53:36< elvish_sovereign> i have to go to sleep now
20100719 05:53:43< elvish_sovereign> let's finish this tomorrow
20100719 05:53:46< elvish_sovereign> thanks again!
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20100719 07:26:04< Espreon> Byez...
20100719 07:26:18 * Espreon disappears...
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20100719 07:57:15< shadowmaster> Espreon: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQyNA
20100719 07:57:48< shadowmaster> dammit
20100719 07:58:34< Valkier> Thoughts on this, fellas? http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=43267&mode=view
20100719 07:59:15< shadowmaster> wtf is that?
20100719 07:59:20< Valkier> Camerin
20100719 07:59:40< Valkier> I like that reaction.
20100719 07:59:47< shadowmaster> too...much emphasis in his madman nature.
20100719 07:59:56< Valkier> Hell no.
20100719 08:00:19< shadowmaster> *on
20100719 08:00:21< Valkier> Not ENOUGH!
20100719 08:00:26< Valkier> I think he needs to be on fire.
20100719 08:01:42< shadowmaster> he looks like some kind of schizophrenic person, sorry.
20100719 08:01:50< Valkier> mmhmm
20100719 08:01:54< shadowmaster> I don't think he'll come across as a likeable character that way...
20100719 08:02:00< Valkier> Pfft
20100719 08:03:07< shadowmaster> as for the anatomy, I'm sure you have already noticed that your WIP looks like he has a fin for a left arm.
20100719 08:03:36< Valkier> I didn't define the fingers on that hand ya numb nut.
20100719 08:03:56< shadowmaster> s/fingers/hand/
20100719 08:04:05< shadowmaster> there's no wrist, etc.
20100719 08:04:15< shadowmaster> also, I did say "work in progress" :p
20100719 08:04:24< Valkier> ^_^
20100719 08:04:31< Valkier> Well whatever. He looks insane.
20100719 08:05:08< shadowmaster> yeah, but too insane to be likeable.
20100719 08:05:21< Valkier> Not true! Have you ever played Baldur's Gate?
20100719 08:05:23< shadowmaster> while the character in dialogues is "likeable"
20100719 08:05:26< shadowmaster> no
20100719 08:05:30< Valkier> Hmm
20100719 08:05:34 * shadowmaster is not a gamer.
20100719 08:05:50< Valkier> Well one of the most awesome characters was a paranoid psychophrenic psychotic mage named Xar.
20100719 08:05:54< Valkier> And he was amazing.
20100719 08:06:26< Valkier> He heard voices and wanted to blow everyone up.
20100719 08:06:55< shadowmaster> sounds like someone I'd not ally with if I were a game character...
20100719 08:07:06< Valkier> Depends on your alignment I guess.
20100719 08:07:31< Valkier> If you wanted to murder and steal, he was perfect to have.
20100719 08:07:45< Valkier> But anyways, his dialogue was also hilarious.
20100719 08:08:35< shadowmaster> if I wanted to murder and steal...
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20100719 08:08:45< shadowmaster> I'd prefer to not have someone who can turn on me at any moment by my side.
20100719 08:08:50< shadowmaster> er.
20100719 08:08:54< shadowmaster> s/on/against/
20100719 08:08:56< timotei> hi shadowmaster 
20100719 08:09:07< Valkier> Pfft. He never turned on you as long as you had his little halfling thief buddy with you.
20100719 08:09:34 * shadowmaster makes the most disturbed expression ever.
20100719 08:09:48< shadowmaster> hi timotei 
20100719 08:10:11< timotei> shadowmaster: do you know by chance where I can download "umc_music" stuff?
20100719 08:10:34< timotei> shadowmaster: I need a simple addon, as a campaign with some scenarios to test my eclipse plugin
20100719 08:10:35< shadowmaster> what do you mean?
20100719 08:10:49< timotei> I downloaded yesterday an addon, but it needs "umc_music" 
20100719 08:11:24< timotei> it's called "Love_to_Death"
20100719 08:13:54< Valkier> Xzar: I know dragons with feet like rabbits, 'tis true I swear!
20100719 08:18:33< shadowmaster> 02:17:48 <shadowmaster> You Scored as Dark Adept
20100719 08:18:33< shadowmaster> 02:17:50 <shadowmaster> You are a Dark Adept: you dimmerse yourself in the dark arts...potentially with great  rewards....
20100719 08:18:36< shadowmaster> 02:18:15 <shadowmaster> 70%. 65% Drake Burner, 60% Dwarvish Fighter.
20100719 08:18:46< shadowmaster> timotei: I believe UMC music is available in the server
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20100719 08:31:20< Valkier> shadowmaster: lol! I love that conversation.
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20100719 08:43:14< Espreon> shadowmaster: The SQL thingy has too many connections or something... I wanna deal with LordBob now... so... yeahz...
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20100719 08:44:59< shadowmaster> Espreon: what? it works for me
20100719 08:45:20< Espreon> Well, it just fixed itself like... twenty seconds ago...
20100719 08:45:36< Espreon> It was lingering for a while... so... yeahz...
20100719 08:47:22< Espreon> OK, byez...
20100719 08:47:33 * Espreon disappears...
20100719 08:47:52< shadowmaster> Espreon: wait!
20100719 08:48:14< shadowmaster> nah, jk. Go sleep or whatever
20100719 08:54:00< timotei> shadowmaster: is ok if I download the debian "testing" version?
20100719 08:54:04< timotei> rather than the stable one?
20100719 09:00:02< shadowmaster> hmmmm.
20100719 09:00:20< shadowmaster> well, Testing is very stable for me atm. However....
20100719 09:00:40< timotei> I'm thinking of testing it, since sabayon doesn't anymore recognize my wireless connection, and don't know why
20100719 09:00:59< shadowmaster> the published DVD/CD images ten to be a bit behind in relation to the Testing distribution's current state. Also, the installer might or might not be a bit outdated, which could cause odd installation problems.
20100719 09:01:42< shadowmaster> so I'd suggest you check what's wrong with sabayon, or use Debian stable and switch to testing from a installed system, and leave the installation of Testing from scratch as a last option.
20100719 09:01:52< shadowmaster> this is all assuming you can spare the bandwidth, transfer, etc.
20100719 09:02:09< shadowmaster> now, from my personal experience..
20100719 09:02:30< shadowmaster> I first installed Debian on my other laptop using a testing DVD image (Lenny, something September-ish 2008)
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20100719 09:02:48< timotei> yeah, no problem with downloading
20100719 09:03:01< shadowmaster> while that worked fine there and I later upgraded everything to the current testing (back then), I had problems when trying to install that version on the laptop I'm using right now
20100719 09:03:03< timotei> switching to testing means, enabling the "extra" repositories, right?
20100719 09:03:21< shadowmaster> some kernel bug caused the system to oops all the time on the ethernet controller's driver
20100719 09:03:36< shadowmaster> which means that the installation was a bit difficult, although I succeeded.
20100719 09:04:02< shadowmaster> switching to testing generally means adding the testing repositories in your sources.list, running...
20100719 09:04:08< shadowmaster> sudo aptitude update
20100719 09:04:19< timotei> btw, how "big" are the repos?
20100719 09:04:25< shadowmaster> sudo aptitude upgrade dpkg apt aptitude (?)
20100719 09:04:37< timotei> do they match sabayon/gentoo's one? (where there are about 7-8k of different apps in the repo)
20100719 09:04:46< shadowmaster> and then sudo aptitude safe-upgrade  and then sudo apitude full-upgrade
20100719 09:05:11< shadowmaster> although IME it's safer to join #debian and /msg dpkg testing     for the instructions ;)
20100719 09:05:22< shadowmaster> (dpkg being the #debian bot)
20100719 09:05:29< timotei> yeah
20100719 09:05:31< shadowmaster> timotei: no idea. Let me see...
20100719 09:05:52< shadowmaster> synaptic says that there are 29,827 packages listed, 3,191 installed here
20100719 09:06:40< shadowmaster> a few of them come from the Oracle VirtualBox repository, Google's Chrome repository, a certain unofficial repository with "restricted" Debian packages, and Debian experimental.
20100719 09:07:09< shadowmaster> also some of them are Stable left-overs that I haven't purged
20100719 09:07:26< shadowmaster> and some custom packages I have built
20100719 09:07:37< shadowmaster> and some left-overs of custom packages I have removed.
20100719 09:07:50< shadowmaster> so you could say that Debian testing has around 29,000 packages atm
20100719 09:07:57< timotei> nice..
20100719 09:08:58< timotei> also, amd64 or i386?
20100719 09:09:12< timotei> I'm having intel, but if it works using a x64 version of debian... I'd chose that
20100719 09:10:24< shadowmaster> I only know that amd64 is stable (except for Iceweasel/Firefox 3.0.x, which is in stable;3.5.x in Testing is more stable, and 3.6.x in Experimental hasn't crashed for me so far.
20100719 09:11:10< shadowmaster> I personally wouldn't use amd64 with some of Intel's first CPUs with EM64T/Intel64 support.
20100719 09:12:07< timotei> I have a DELL, studio 15, with intel pentium dual core 2.0ghz
20100719 09:12:13< shadowmaster> I remember trying openSUSE 10.3 for amd64/Intel64 on my desktop computer and noticing reduced performance, so I switched back to the x86 version later. The computer has a Pentium 4 CPU with hyperthreading support (working as if it had 2 cores)
20100719 09:12:36< timotei> ok, I'll get i386 then
20100719 09:13:00< shadowmaster> well, my computer is a 2006 box :p
20100719 09:13:15< shadowmaster> I think anything starting from 2008 is safe for amd64/Intel65
20100719 09:13:17< shadowmaster> 64
20100719 09:14:05< shadowmaster> also, you can still semi-effortlessly run 32-bit Linux and Windows (WINE) applications on amd64. What a deal.
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20100719 13:51:41< Gambit> 0_0 191kbps
20100719 13:52:26< Gambit> Somehow my internet is faster on linux, even though my web server is making more external requests (which one would assume would slow things down) than ever before.
20100719 13:52:36< Gambit> *occasionally faster
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20100719 13:55:21< Gambit> It's also occasionally slower.
20100719 13:55:25< Gambit> But mostly faster.
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20100719 15:06:06< Gambit> timotei: Good morning
20100719 15:06:54< timotei> morning Gambit 
20100719 15:07:02< timotei> Gambit: how are you doing?
20100719 15:07:34< Gambit> Good
20100719 15:07:50< Gambit> My computer is mostly setup now.
20100719 15:07:51< Gambit> Yourself?
20100719 15:08:10< timotei> downloading and installing debian on my usb stick
20100719 15:08:47< Gambit> Does liveusb let you put files on it?
20100719 15:08:59< timotei> unetbootin
20100719 15:09:10< timotei> you get any .iso with linux and it loads into a usb
20100719 15:09:21< timotei> so you can install it from there, and don't make many DVD/cd
20100719 15:09:28< Gambit> Right, I mean if you boot from that, can you save files to it.
20100719 15:09:39< timotei> no that way
20100719 15:09:41< Gambit> Like lets say you were in Debian running from the usb stick and you downloaded something
20100719 15:09:43< timotei> but are ways of doing that
20100719 15:09:48< timotei> pendrivelinux.com
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20100719 20:37:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: do you put copyright notices in things you code?
20100719 20:37:21< Gambit> (or copyleft or what have you)
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20100719 20:46:05 * Gambit would like to know how to go about licensing one's code
20100719 20:54:04< timotei21> Gambit: what exactly?
20100719 20:54:19< timotei21> brrr. seems unetbooting didn't create corretclyt my USB
20100719 20:54:47< timotei21> but of course. The stick was ntfs=)
20100719 20:59:02< Gambit> Today's xkcd was lame, but the alt text made me lol.
20100719 21:00:13< timotei21> :D
20100719 21:01:32< PetePorty> Gambit, link
20100719 21:02:26< Gambit> http://xkcd.com/
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20100719 21:24:20< LordBob> Hi there
20100719 21:24:50< Espreon> Hello LordBob.
20100719 21:25:45< LordBob> So, I hear there's a lot going on in UtBS ? ^.`^
20100719 21:26:48< Espreon> Indeed.
20100719 21:28:17< Espreon> LordBob: So, now what?
20100719 21:29:16< LordBob> Well, mostly what I'll do or not art-wise do depends on what you yourself have planned for the campaign
20100719 21:29:36< zookeeper> oh, hi lordbob
20100719 21:29:49< LordBob> The most likely option right now is that i'll switch to campaign art for The Rise of Wesnoth
20100719 21:30:00< LordBob> (Hi zookeeper :) )
20100719 21:30:25< LordBob> Which ought to keep me busy for a couple of months at least.
20100719 21:30:31< LordBob> After this,
20100719 21:30:33< zookeeper> LordBob, ever considered doing campaign art for HttT? just checking.
20100719 21:30:54< Espreon> LordBob: Sounds fine... unless fendrin objects.
20100719 21:31:35< LordBob> Zookeeper : Would love doing so, but as far as I understand Jet has had the first bid on it for a while ^^
20100719 21:32:43< zookeeper> LordBob, all i remember that he's got the bid on the HttT portraits, but maybe i don't remember all of it
20100719 21:32:58< zookeeper> anyways, afk... ->
20100719 21:33:12< Espreon> Well, of course Jetrel has to have bids on all of the flagship stuff.
20100719 21:33:37< LordBob> Espreon: fendrin being the owner of tRoW, I suppose ?
20100719 21:34:14< Espreon> No, fendrin is my coworker.
20100719 21:34:19< Espreon> ... with UtBS.
20100719 21:34:37< zookeeper> i'm the maintainer of TRoW, even though even i don't do much work on it nowadays
20100719 21:34:42< LordBob> oh, right.
20100719 21:35:10< zookeeper> if you got questions or anything else, i'll read the logs when i get back in an hour or so...
20100719 21:35:22< LordBob> zookeepr : so you wouldn't object to habiong brand new portraits and story art ? ^^
20100719 21:37:51< LordBob> Espreon : there are quite a bunch of mainline campaigns that require fresh art at the moment. I'll switch to one of those for now, which should give you enough time to complete your work on UtBS. By then, we'll have time to discuss further wether or not you and Fendrin would like me to produce art
20100719 21:39:04< Espreon> All right, sounds good.
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20100719 21:41:56< LordBob> Anyway, if I may ask, wat changes are you bringing to the campaign ? I couldn't help noticing Zerovirus' gallery of newly forged Armoured Monsters of Doow :D
20100719 21:42:10< LordBob> * Doom
20100719 21:42:46< Espreon> Well, we are replacing the loyalist units in the campaign with their Chaos equivalents.
20100719 21:43:28< Espreon> ... for these the humans in question serve the Iron Council...
20100719 21:44:16< Espreon> LordBob: Also, fendrin and I are redoing the desert elves.
20100719 21:44:36< Espreon> ... and we are going to make the final battle... more... interesting...
20100719 21:44:54< Espreon> ... redesign and simplify some stuff...
20100719 21:44:59< Espreon> ... and possibly more.
20100719 21:45:28< LordBob> Aye, that's a lot of change. I do see why you'd rather wait before any art is created
20100719 21:45:45< Espreon> Heh, yeah...
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20100719 22:02:20< Zerovirus> Okay whoo cool people party
20100719 22:02:22< Zerovirus> where's rhyging
20100719 22:02:55< Espreon> He'll be coming... "soon"...
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20100719 22:14:19< rhyging5> hi
20100719 22:14:32< Espreon> Hello rhyging5.
20100719 22:14:43< rhyging5> hello
20100719 22:14:44< Espreon> Zerovirus shall be back soon.
20100719 22:14:53< Espreon> ... and yes, he agreed to work on this.
20100719 22:15:06< rhyging5> Have only some minuts to talk....
20100719 22:15:14< Espreon> Oh, I see...
20100719 22:15:24< rhyging5> well
20100719 22:15:25< Espreon> Anyway, do you have any questions/concerns at the moment?
20100719 22:15:38< rhyging5> My fisrt question is
20100719 22:16:18< rhyging5> Can be this project go in to mainline? what requisits need?
20100719 22:16:27< Espreon> It shall go in mainline.
20100719 22:16:30< rhyging5> and sorry for my english
20100719 22:16:37< Espreon> It's fine.
20100719 22:16:42< Espreon> I can understand you.
20100719 22:16:51< Zerovirus> I'm back
20100719 22:17:04< rhyging5> then let's go
20100719 22:17:18< Espreon> Requisites... hmmm... I guess the standards requirements. IDK that much about art requirements.
20100719 22:17:25< rhyging5> I prefer mainline projects
20100719 22:17:31< rhyging5> Hi zerovirus
20100719 22:17:32< Zerovirus> So you already briefed him on the stuff?
20100719 22:18:06< Zerovirus> Actually, both Siphon and Onto Warp are really scary powerful
20100719 22:18:09< Zerovirus> >.>
20100719 22:18:18< rhyging5> mmm.....Artwork Requisites
20100719 22:18:33< Espreon> IDK, I guess we'd have to ask thespaceinvader or Jetrel.
20100719 22:18:44< rhyging5> yeah, this is
20100719 22:18:56< Zerovirus> Oh boy I might actually have to do animations
20100719 22:19:05< rhyging5> Jetrel must point theses
20100719 22:19:27< rhyging5> jeje
20100719 22:19:44< Zerovirus> Well... Who's taking point?
20100719 22:20:01< Zerovirus> One of us has to do baseframes first before any cool halos and stuff can be made
20100719 22:20:08< rhyging5> Yess I see more or less your evolution.....zerovirus
20100719 22:20:13< Espreon> rhyging5: ¿Habla español? Hablo mal español.
20100719 22:20:22< Espreon> Zerovirus: Indeed.
20100719 22:20:32< Zerovirus> So I get to do baseframes?
20100719 22:20:47< Zerovirus> Espreon, how many languages do you speak?
20100719 22:20:52< rhyging5> baseframes for elementals?
20100719 22:21:05< Espreon> Zerovirus: Not that many.
20100719 22:21:23< rhyging5> Well I'm talk spanish , catalan, bit of english and portugues
20100719 22:21:26< Zerovirus> Yay, I get the fun part of the job :P
20100719 22:21:48< Espreon> Hey, you get to sprite dragons...
20100719 22:22:07< Zerovirus> Exactly
20100719 22:22:08< Zerovirus> the fun part
20100719 22:22:23< Zerovirus> You know what I'mma gonna get started right now
20100719 22:22:26< rhyging5> In my opinion the best artists shall to do the baseframe
20100719 22:22:36< Espreon> Æthereal Dragon, Void Dragon, and Nicor.
20100719 22:22:47< Espreon> rhyging5: Makes sense.
20100719 22:23:15< Zerovirus> And tbh I'd actually say we're kinda tied
20100719 22:23:15< rhyging5> I like to improve the base frame adding a satnding animation
20100719 22:23:16< Zerovirus> kinda
20100719 22:23:25< Espreon> rhyging5: You wouldn't mind making effects for now? Attack effects, I mean.
20100719 22:23:36< Zerovirus> (I honestly feel I can only match rhyging on my best days when I've had plenty of protein for my breakfast)
20100719 22:23:48< Espreon> As byspel, a pillar of water that strikes the enemy.
20100719 22:23:51< rhyging5> jeje
20100719 22:24:07< Zerovirus> And the good thing is I don't have to worry about BIGGERISM!
20100719 22:24:09< Zerovirus> :d
20100719 22:24:25< rhyging5> good animations requires a goo artist also
20100719 22:24:37< Zerovirus> That'd be you
20100719 22:24:40< Espreon> Indeed.
20100719 22:25:18< Zerovirus> time to go dig up the old elementals
20100719 22:25:19< rhyging5> not necesary
20100719 22:25:32< rhyging5> i like to work with other artists
20100719 22:25:56< rhyging5> sahring sketches for instance
20100719 22:26:03< rhyging5> sharing?
20100719 22:26:19< Espreon> Yeah.
20100719 22:26:19< Zerovirus> yeah
20100719 22:26:46< Zerovirus> Honestly the old sprites aren't bad
20100719 22:26:48< Zerovirus> they're just old
20100719 22:26:54< Zerovirus> like 16 bit sprites compared to 32
20100719 22:27:01< rhyging5> well, I would to know how we can start?
20100719 22:27:08< Zerovirus> Uhhh
20100719 22:27:13< Zerovirus> We can share sketches!:D
20100719 22:27:35< Zerovirus> We can post sketched stuff of baseframes or submit ideas to each other until we have a nice concept going
20100719 22:27:37< Zerovirus> DEMOCRACY
20100719 22:27:53< rhyging5> yeaahh
20100719 22:28:41< rhyging5> animations are a lot of work, four hands are better than two
20100719 22:28:58< Zerovirus> I hate animations
20100719 22:29:00< Zerovirus> >.<
20100719 22:29:14< rhyging5> for instance.....i'm finishing a new animation for L2 of TSG
20100719 22:29:40< rhyging5> This have 10 frames
20100719 22:29:45< rhyging5> 10-12
20100719 22:30:00< rhyging5> Atack to south
20100719 22:30:29< rhyging5> I'm spend a week mre or less
20100719 22:30:35< Zerovirus> Oh wow
20100719 22:30:39< Zerovirus> that's really fast
20100719 22:30:50< Zerovirus> I don't think I've ever finished an animation completely 
20100719 22:30:51< Zerovirus> ever
20100719 22:31:08< rhyging5> Then you must try
20100719 22:31:20< rhyging5> really is important
20100719 22:31:35< Espreon> 22:30 <thespaceinvader> base frame only at a pinch
20100719 22:31:35< Espreon> 22:30 <thespaceinvader> but ideally, minimum of attack, defence, and any relevant ability-based anim
20100719 22:31:38< rhyging5> I know is more repetitive 
20100719 22:31:58< zookeeper> LordBob, of course i wouldn't mind new art for TRoW. as for portraits, DUHH (i think) started on the portraits a while back but apparently hasn't continued (yet).
20100719 22:31:59< Espreon> Those are the minimum requirements.
20100719 22:33:16< Zerovirus> attack, defense, animations
20100719 22:33:24< Zerovirus> Well, one must never stop learning, eh
20100719 22:33:28< Espreon> rhyging5 ; Zerovirus: more complete set: attack, defense, movement, ability animations, death, idle, standing/bob.
20100719 22:33:41< Zerovirus> Death...Well, with energy based beings that should be easy
20100719 22:33:45< Espreon> Indeed.
20100719 22:33:46< Zerovirus> I'm thinking something like the WC for each line
20100719 22:33:53< zookeeper> what were you talking about? UtBS?`
20100719 22:33:56< Zerovirus> mold them into a similar set of exploding frames of energy
20100719 22:34:12< Zerovirus> Movement frames?
20100719 22:34:23< Zerovirus> I don't think that'll be really high on priority
20100719 22:34:28< Espreon> I know.
20100719 22:34:30< rhyging5> more complet......all you said and the north facing 
20100719 22:34:34< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: it was justinoperable
20100719 22:34:35< Zerovirus> And I think idle'd be just like flashes of energy or lightning or what
20100719 22:34:44< LordBob> zookeeper: I think DUHH's working on the Hammer of Thursagan campaign.
20100719 22:34:46< Espreon> rhyging5: Yeah, but that's low priority.
20100719 22:34:54< thespaceinvader> LordBob: AFAIK Jet is only planning on doing portraits for HttT - story art is available
20100719 22:34:57< thespaceinvader> I think
20100719 22:34:58< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, right, ok
20100719 22:35:04< thespaceinvader> LB: that's correct
20100719 22:35:07< zookeeper> i think i get those two mixed up in my head
20100719 22:35:48< zookeeper> Zerovirus, what exactly are you three talking about?
20100719 22:35:52< Zerovirus> Who did the original elemental sprites?
20100719 22:35:56< Espreon> fmunoz.
20100719 22:36:01< Zerovirus> Uhh...Espreon, what are we talking about?
20100719 22:36:13< Espreon> Elementals... for mainline.
20100719 22:36:13< zookeeper> doesn't sound like UtBS but i haven't picked up any other context either
20100719 22:36:30< Zerovirus> I kinda like the old pallete, and I think I'll keep some of it
20100719 22:36:39< LordBob> Heh, that'd be a thrill :D However, HtTT story art is far from obsolete so low priority compared to, say, UtBS or tROW.. If I ever do any, it'll be as a recreation
20100719 22:36:42< rhyging5> Where are these original baseframes?
20100719 22:36:59< zookeeper> LordBob, but HttT only has the story art for the intro
20100719 22:37:05< Espreon> rhyging5 ; Zerovirus: Due to the elementals having final strike, I'd prefer death animations to be part of our minimal goal.
20100719 22:37:11< zookeeper> all the rest are nonexistant or really obsolete (there's two)
20100719 22:37:17< LordBob> Ah, you've got a point there
20100719 22:37:20< Zerovirus> Final strike? I think I have to reread that huge data brochure
20100719 22:37:25< zookeeper> sigh, whatever, don't tell me what you're talking about.
20100719 22:37:42< Espreon> rhyging5: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/The_Silver_Lands/images/units/elementals/ ... Ignore tears-of-the-forest.png
20100719 22:37:46< Zerovirus> I think it's UtBS plus The Silver Lands plus Elementals in one neat tidy package
20100719 22:37:53< Espreon> Zerovirus: Uh, it was in the basics section.
20100719 22:38:05< Zerovirus> Hmm. Frames, sweet
20100719 22:38:25< Zerovirus> Of course I just printscreened all the original frames from units.wesnoth.org
20100719 22:38:26< zookeeper> Zerovirus, ok, so UtBS + some UMC stuff, got it. thanks.
20100719 22:38:27< Zerovirus> >.<
20100719 22:39:25< Zerovirus> Well, I think I'll get started on some sprites, Espreon's descriptions were very specific
20100719 22:39:46< Espreon> Zerovirus: Please do the Æthereal Dragon first.
20100719 22:39:55< Espreon> Don't be afraid to make it huge.
20100719 22:39:55< Zerovirus> Hmm, I dunno
20100719 22:40:04< Zerovirus> I should save the fun stuff for later
20100719 22:40:07< Espreon> ... and don't be afraid of going outside of the hex.
20100719 22:40:09< Zerovirus> as a carrot that I dangle at myself :P
20100719 22:40:20< Zerovirus> ah whatever, screw it, HUGE LIZARD GO
20100719 22:40:46< Espreon> rhyging5: If you didn't catch that, if you wanted to make some base frames, don't be afraid to go outside of the hex.
20100719 22:41:32< rhyging5> what's your intention about original sprites? you want to approuch?
20100719 22:41:41< rhyging5> approach?
20100719 22:41:55< Espreon> rhyging5: What exactly do you mean?
20100719 22:42:10< rhyging5> wait
20100719 22:42:29< Zerovirus> Do you mean whether we edit old sprites or make complete new ones?
20100719 22:42:54< Espreon> I want completely new ones.
20100719 22:42:55< thespaceinvader> ideally, I'd say make new, but take inspiration from the old
20100719 22:43:04< thespaceinvader> the way zero's been doing with Chaos
20100719 22:43:04< Espreon> After all, my ideas stray from the old ones.
20100719 22:43:26< Zerovirus> Yay. Progress!
20100719 22:43:43< Zerovirus> When I'm done with this project in some distant decade I'll make a Chaos frankenpack :P
20100719 22:45:17< rhyging5>  allright
20100719 22:45:29< Espreon> rhyging5 ; Zerovirus: Every so often, I shall update this file... so... be sure to look at it often: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/trunk/The_Silver_Lands/docs/elementals
20100719 22:45:40< rhyging5> I would make my first attemp on this...
20100719 22:45:46< Espreon> Well, I'll be sure to notify both of you.
20100719 22:46:44< Espreon> Zerovirus: Pssst, don't be afraid of making the Æthereal Dragon a feathery Chinese one.
20100719 22:46:46< rhyging5> Well, maybe doing a baseframe of some fire elemental?
20100719 22:46:53< Espreon> Sure.
20100719 22:46:54< Zerovirus> SWEET
20100719 22:47:00< Zerovirus> I love you very much Espreon
20100719 22:47:03< Espreon> rhyging5: After all, you are good with fire.
20100719 22:47:10< Zerovirus> And lightning
20100719 22:47:12< Espreon> Zerovirus: Heh...
20100719 22:47:14< Zerovirus> and other glowy stuff
20100719 22:47:26< rhyging5> thanks
20100719 22:48:06< rhyging5> I would to try a nice standing animation
20100719 22:48:45< Espreon> rhyging5: Please don't do the Fire Wisp, for that may change. The Salamander and the Fire Ghost, however, are pretty much final.
20100719 22:49:57< rhyging5> salamander......mmmmm.....can be insteresting...
20100719 22:50:06< Zerovirus> About The Silver Lands: Did you guys ever finish up that Ice Wyrm that Mysticxtheunknown was making?
20100719 22:50:16< Espreon> Zerovirus: Sadly, no...
20100719 22:50:21< Zerovirus> ARRGH
20100719 22:50:25< Zerovirus> I really wanted to see that in a fight
20100719 22:50:36< rhyging5> have any picture to inspirate me?
20100719 22:50:42< Zerovirus> fine, I'll just have to make a better oriental dragon
20100719 22:51:13< Espreon> rhyging5: Well, not now. The salamander is just a being of fiery energy in the very basic shape of one.
20100719 22:51:23< rhyging5> or just, I draw a salamander on fire?
20100719 22:52:05< Espreon> Uh, no... The idea is that the elementals start out as very simple and get more complex as they get more powerful.
20100719 22:52:20< Zerovirus> For the salamander just make a generic four legged burning thing
20100719 22:52:25< Zerovirus> Don't try to make it super detailed
20100719 22:52:31< Zerovirus> Espreon wants details to come with higher levels
20100719 22:52:44< Espreon> Indeed.
20100719 22:52:45< rhyging5> this means that the shape shoud be more abstract?
20100719 22:52:54< Espreon> I guess that one could say that.
20100719 22:52:55< Zerovirus> Yes
20100719 22:53:16< Zerovirus> Also, try using image searches as references
20100719 22:53:20< Zerovirus> I'm using a deviantart pic atm
20100719 22:55:00< rhyging5> espreon, then I start with the salamander baseframe?
20100719 22:55:50< Espreon> rhyging5: Yup.
20100719 22:56:46< rhyging5> I can use my fire trick then
20100719 22:57:09< Espreon> Excellent.
20100719 22:57:17< rhyging5> ok
20100719 22:57:51< Zerovirus> Yay, an animated baseframe
20100719 22:57:53< Zerovirus> those are very cool
20100719 22:58:41< Espreon> Jeß jeß...
20100719 22:59:39< rhyging5> yes, this is I want....an standing animated baseframe for eachone
20100719 22:59:56< Zerovirus> Well you get the ones that glow then
20100719 23:00:02< Zerovirus> I'll keep the solider ones like stone
20100719 23:00:03< Espreon> Yeah, I wanted animated baseframes as well... you know, for glowing.
20100719 23:00:07< Zerovirus> oh god I just said solider
20100719 23:00:10< Zerovirus> I am a traitor to english
20100719 23:00:26< Espreon> Heh...
20100719 23:00:52< Espreon> Zerovirus: We weren't even speaking in English... or should I say... "Englisc"?
20100719 23:01:03< Zerovirus> Englisp.
20100719 23:01:16< Espreon> Oh noez!
20100719 23:01:39< rhyging5> jeje...spanenglish in my case......ok guys...sorry........I must to leave.....we will continue talking here or by an PM.........
20100719 23:01:48< Zerovirus> Ookay, bye
20100719 23:02:01< Espreon> rhyging5: Goodbye.
20100719 23:02:35< Zerovirus> Wow my dragon sketch is messy
20100719 23:02:39< Espreon> Awwww...
20100719 23:02:41< rhyging5> hope you can see something early
20100719 23:02:54< rhyging5> have you holidays now?
20100719 23:03:06< Espreon> What about holy days?
20100719 23:03:53< rhyging5> holydays represents a stop on the work, isn't?
20100719 23:04:11< Espreon> Meh, Zerovirus and I are American... we refer to that as "vacation".
20100719 23:04:26< Zerovirus> I refer to spriting as stop on work :P
20100719 23:04:28< rhyging5> ok
20100719 23:04:29< Zerovirus> And vacation
20100719 23:04:40< Zerovirus> Wait, are you implying you do sprites for a living?
20100719 23:04:43< Espreon> So, holidays/holy days just are... yeahz...
20100719 23:04:57< Zerovirus> In any case today is Monday
20100719 23:05:31< rhyging5> My compromise with all I do is so serious.....jeje
20100719 23:05:37< Espreon> rhyging5: Yeah, if you were confused "holiday" = "holy day". So, don't worry.
20100719 23:06:06< Espreon> Noöne says "holy day" anymore, so... yeahyz...
20100719 23:06:11< Espreon> ... well... except for me.
20100719 23:06:22< rhyging5> despite you don't recieve a compensation.....you mean?
20100719 23:06:46< rhyging5> yeahyz = vacation ?
20100719 23:06:56< Espreon> "Yeahz" = silly form of "yeah"
20100719 23:07:16< rhyging5> I take note 
20100719 23:07:20< Espreon> rhyging5: People recieve compensation on most holidays.
20100719 23:08:01< rhyging5> yeahh its true
20100719 23:08:31< rhyging5> well....see you soon ok?
20100719 23:08:35< Espreon> OK, bye.
20100719 23:08:40< rhyging5> on vacations or not
20100719 23:08:56< Espreon> Uh, well, I have summer vacation.
20100719 23:09:06< Espreon> ... since I'm still in highschool.
20100719 23:09:17< rhyging5> fine
20100719 23:09:24< rhyging5> bye guyss
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20100719 23:10:05< Espreon> Zerovirus: Meh, British English must die off... for it promotes Frenchieness...
20100719 23:10:12< Zerovirus> Whatever
20100719 23:10:19< Espreon> Well, it does.
20100719 23:10:19< Zerovirus> I can always default to my heretical chinese when I have to
20100719 23:10:44< Espreon> ... and I'm slowly learning Englisc and will be getting an Icelandic book, so... yeahz.
20100719 23:11:02< Espreon> Yeah, before I die, I need to learn at least one real language.
20100719 23:11:13< Espreon> ... or I shall die with the regret of not knowing a real language.
20100719 23:11:52< Espreon> Zerovirus: Yeah, you are lucky...
20100719 23:12:21< Zerovirus> I have no idea what or which expressions Chinese might have gleaned from other asiatic tongues
20100719 23:12:25< zookeeper> LordBob, thespaceinvader, for what it's worth, i think the helmetless orcish leader should just be an alt for the leader (instead of being the ruler). the leader and ruler can use the same helmet portrait and whenever someone needs some variety, they can use the helmetless as an alt for either...
20100719 23:12:43< Zerovirus> Usually though I get the feeling that other languages steal more from Chinese than we do from other languages >.>
20100719 23:12:52< Zerovirus> Could just be commie propaganda tho
20100719 23:13:11< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: fair enough, that sounds fine to me
20100719 23:13:15< Espreon> Take Japanese, as byspel. In Japan, noöne cares about native numbers after ten.
20100719 23:13:21< Espreon> Zerovirus: Amusing, eh?
20100719 23:13:30< Zerovirus> Huh.
20100719 23:13:31< LordBob> fair enough, that's fine by me
20100719 23:14:04< LordBob> If I ever want some recreation from future projects, I might eventually commit a leader anyway ^^
20100719 23:14:05< Espreon> Zerovirus: After ten, they just take the words for the number from Chinese and combine them.
20100719 23:14:19< Espreon> So, they wouldn't describe eleven in native terms.
20100719 23:14:25< Zerovirus> hahaha
20100719 23:14:34< Espreon> ... from what I have read at least.
20100719 23:14:57< Espreon> English fares better...
20100719 23:15:34< Espreon> We just need to kill "zero", "second", "million", and so forth.
20100719 23:15:43< Espreon> Well, at least we still have "naught".
20100719 23:16:00< zookeeper> LordBob, thespaceinvader, but i guess i don't really care that much either way...but if you'd prefer to wire one to leader and one to ruler, then i'd really suggest having leader be the helmetless one. he's much more rookie-looking than the helmet guy.
20100719 23:16:11< thespaceinvader> yeah
20100719 23:16:14< Zerovirus> Where'd zilch come from?
20100719 23:16:24< Espreon> German, I think.
20100719 23:16:31< thespaceinvader> honestly, I'm happy with the new one as a leader alt and the helmeted one as a leader/ruler
20100719 23:16:35< Zerovirus> Also, you just said you need to kill zero.
20100719 23:16:37< Zerovirus> Think about that for a moment.
20100719 23:16:44< Gambit> Naughtvirus what do you mean?
20100719 23:16:45< Espreon> Zerovirus: No... it was coined by someone, apparently.
20100719 23:16:49< LordBob> we could do that, however in this case I'd also remove the skulls
20100719 23:16:53< Espreon> Yes, Naughtvirus?
20100719 23:16:57< Espreon> About what are you talking?
20100719 23:16:59< Zerovirus> aaaagh D:
20100719 23:17:04< zookeeper> LordBob, oh, and the sovereign is definitely the best orc portrait so far IMO
20100719 23:17:05< Gambit> Espreon: Can we use nil?
20100719 23:17:15< Espreon> NO!
20100719 23:17:21< Gambit> Nada?
20100719 23:17:25< Gambit> None?
20100719 23:17:27< Zerovirus> I'm wondering if no is from another language
20100719 23:17:41< LordBob> blah, let's stick to a ruler + alt and leave the last portrait open for future inspiration
20100719 23:17:56< Gambit> Anyway I don't want to derail this awesome art discussion. Espreon I'll bother you later about the many forms of nothing.
20100719 23:18:05< Espreon> Gambit: Yes to "none"; no to "nada"... unless you wanna be like Blueblaze.
20100719 23:18:27< Espreon> ... who has a fetish for Spanish.
20100719 23:19:09< Espreon> Naughtvirus: Are you batshit insane? "No" is native.
20100719 23:19:10< Zerovirus> We finished discussing art a long long time ago
20100719 23:19:15< Zerovirus> Yes yes I am
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20100719 23:19:17< Zerovirus> it comes with my job
20100719 23:19:20< LordBob> zookeeper : thanks :) I think he'll remain my favourite one, too :)
20100719 23:20:38< LordBob> Anyway, I'm done for tonight. Have a good time, people
20100719 23:20:40< Espreon> Zerovirus: Assume thy true form.
20100719 23:20:54< zookeeper> LordBob, it's also interesting to notice how artists tend to get better over time. these later orc portraits are a lot better than the first ones, just like for example kitty's later portraits are tons better than the early ones
20100719 23:20:58< Espreon> ... for this is channel gives a shit about real English.
20100719 23:21:01< Espreon> Right, Gambit?
20100719 23:21:38< Gambit> jeß
20100719 23:21:48< Zerovirus> You know if I knew the command for changing username I'd indulge your little nomenclature fantasy :D
20100719 23:21:50< Zerovirus> But I don't
20100719 23:21:57< Gambit>  /nick
20100719 23:22:01< LordBob> heh, intense training does that and in that respect, wesnoth is exactly what we need : hard work that's still enjoyable
20100719 23:22:08-!- Zerovirus is now known as Awesome
20100719 23:22:11< Gambit> Poor shadowmaster. Driven out of two channels today.
20100719 23:22:15< Awesome> awww
20100719 23:22:20-!- Awesome is now known as Naughtvirus
20100719 23:22:24< Espreon> YAY!
20100719 23:22:54-!- Naughtvirus is now known as Zilchvirus
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20100719 23:22:57< Zilchvirus> :D
20100719 23:22:58< Espreon> ... and in Spanish, I declare that "noveno" must die in favor of "nono".
20100719 23:23:05< Espreon> PetePorty: ^
20100719 23:23:35< Zilchvirus> espreon's pretty cool dude, ehh kills words and doesn't afraid of anything
20100719 23:23:51< Espreon> :D
20100719 23:24:20< Gambit> Zilchvirus: "doesn't affear of nuttin"
20100719 23:25:10< Gambit> Espreon: Can we keep "the big goose egg"?
20100719 23:25:37-!- Zilchvirus is now known as GooseEggVirus
20100719 23:27:07-!- GooseEggVirus is now known as BirdFlu
20100719 23:27:55< Espreon> Gambit: Sure, but I'd prefer "the big goose ey".
20100719 23:28:45< BirdFlu> Too late, I'm the Bird Flu now
20100719 23:29:13< Gambit> Espreon: y == gg?
20100719 23:29:21< Gambit> This madness has gone too far.
20100719 23:29:32< Espreon> Gambit: Meh, I'd have to compare some things to determine that.
20100719 23:30:00< Espreon> "Egg" comes from Old Norse, but that's fine.
20100719 23:30:32< Espreon> Gambit: The source of "ey": http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C3%A6g
20100719 23:30:41< Espreon> Look at the pronunciation.
20100719 23:30:49< BirdFlu> From Old Norse egg (“‘edge’”).
20100719 23:30:51< BirdFlu> This is bs
20100719 23:30:56< BirdFlu> egg means edge
20100719 23:31:01< BirdFlu> so all the chickens are like razorbirds
20100719 23:31:09< BirdFlu> little baby adorable razorbirds
20100719 23:31:21< Espreon> Gambit: If you don't get the transcription, look at the "Help:IPA" Wikipedia article.
20100719 23:34:37< Espreon> ... and now, food.
20100719 23:35:07< BirdFlu> I recommend kentucky fried razorbird
20100719 23:37:44< thespaceinvader> you shoudl be Naughtyvirus, I've decided
20100719 23:37:52< thespaceinvader> i'd spell it nought btw
20100719 23:37:59< thespaceinvader> just to throw a spanner in the works
20100719 23:38:49< thespaceinvader> naught is also valid, but i'd spell it with the o for the number, the a for saying 'none at all', rather than the figure IYSWIM
20100719 23:38:54< thespaceinvader> etymology is fun
20100719 23:39:23< BirdFlu> Wow, you two are strange people
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20100719 23:44:24< thespaceinvader> BirdFlu: life would be no fun without strangeness
20100719 23:44:47< Espreon> thespaceinvader: Meh, both are valid. It's pretty much like "and"/"ond" it would seem.
20100719 23:45:09< thespaceinvader> mm, true
20100719 23:45:18< thespaceinvader> it may be a british distinction then
20100719 23:45:33< thespaceinvader> but i'd take naught to mean nothing, and nought to mean 0
20100719 23:45:40< Espreon> Nah, Americans don't use "naught/"nought" to mean "zero".
20100719 23:45:55< Gambit> We sometimes use it to mean "nothing" though.
20100719 23:46:00< thespaceinvader> in which case it;s definitely a british distinction :P
20100719 23:46:02< Gambit> "all for naught"
20100719 23:46:36< Espreon> thespaceinvader: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/naught#Etymology
20100719 23:47:02< Espreon> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nought#Etymology
20100719 23:47:22< Espreon> Blargh...
20100719 23:48:07< Espreon> *Blarȝ
20100719 23:49:06< PetePorty> wait, so 'I'm a very, very naughty girl' means she's a nothing-y girl?
20100719 23:50:03< Espreon> PetePorty: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/naughty#Etymology
20100719 23:50:18< PetePorty> ...I knoe man...
20100719 23:50:22< PetePorty> know*
20100719 23:51:08< thespaceinvader> anyway, muyst be off
20100719 23:51:11< thespaceinvader> bed calls
20100719 23:51:16< Espreon> thespaceinvader: The Nauȝties were lovely, were they not?
20100719 23:51:35< thespaceinvader> eh
20100719 23:51:40< thespaceinvader> i've seen better decades
20100719 23:52:18< thespaceinvader> anyway
20100719 23:52:20< thespaceinvader> night
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20100719 23:52:34< Espreon> In conclusion, "naught"/"nought" is like "and"/"ond".
20100719 23:52:38< BirdFlu> dammit how'd Eternal do his scales on his dragon
20100719 23:52:42< BirdFlu> Now I have to go look it up argh
20100719 23:52:48< BirdFlu> And I haven't seen that thread in forever
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