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20100722 02:29:47< Gambit> shadowmaster: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=444395#p444395
20100722 02:29:50< Gambit> hehe
20100722 02:31:26< esr> shadowmaster: What's up?
20100722 02:39:38< shadowmaster> esr: Valkier told me you told him that elves are always blond :(
20100722 02:40:08< esr> No, I told him the *default* to blond.  Which is true AFAIK.
20100722 02:40:21< esr> s/the/they/
20100722 02:40:31< shadowmaster> okay, then I'll have to slap him with a fish.
20100722 02:40:50< Gambit> shadowmaster: Does that mean you're switching to MIRC?
20100722 02:40:52 * esr hands shadowmaster a small haddock
20100722 02:40:57< shadowmaster> esr: second thing, Valkier wanted to know more about the elves' ... weakness with iron
20100722 02:41:16< shadowmaster> but he isn't here so you may want to wait for a differen toportunity.
20100722 02:41:47< esr> Ah yes.  It's variable.  Elves on the faerie path vulnerable. elves on the earth path not.
20100722 02:41:53< shadowmaster> esr: third thing...I've been screwing around with your "faerie nature" stuff :(
20100722 02:42:13< shadowmaster> (and I admit I forgot that there was this two-paths stuff)
20100722 02:42:20< esr> Yes?  (Note: Jetrel independently arrived at almost identical ideas.)
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20100722 02:43:20< shadowmaster> I've been busy getting ideas for UtBS/IftU/AtS's backstory stuff
20100722 02:43:34< shadowmaster> and the result is this: http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/?p=81
20100722 02:44:19< esr> Shall look.  If you need a refresher, look on the wiki for "Racial Secrets"
20100722 02:46:50< shadowmaster> hm. I have a blog comment that I can't find in the wesnoth forums by IP.
20100722 02:46:54< shadowmaster> commenter
20100722 02:47:15< shadowmaster> intriguing
20100722 02:47:32< esr> OK, a lot of this strikes me as good worldbuilding, *but*...
20100722 02:48:36< esr> You remember back when you were working on the future history timelinre and I told you it was ttoo closed, that it needed lots of unspecified stetches to give other people creative room?
20100722 02:50:14< shadowmaster> yes
20100722 02:50:25< shadowmaster> well, so far there's lots of room for stuff :p
20100722 02:51:05< esr> Your cosmology has the same problem.  If you give the universe an ur-narrative, you close too much of it off to other people.  
20100722 02:51:17< shadowmaster> I haven't really plotted anything that could restrict new campaigns taking place after the Fall, although it serves as a rail IMO.
20100722 02:51:33< esr> So I thionk the whole Ten Gods layer needs to be chopped off the top,
20100722 02:51:43< shadowmaster> and none of the material you've read is the "last truth" about the universe.
20100722 02:51:59< esr> Sounds awfully like one.
20100722 02:52:46< esr> I should say that I think it has the functional problems of one.
20100722 02:53:02< shadowmaster> it's more like a set of guidelines and explanation of what one of them, in particular, has to do with Irdya.
20100722 02:53:47< esr> See also: Why I never revealed more about An-Usrukhar. He, too, would have been too big for the frame.
20100722 02:54:45< shadowmaster> who the hell is that? :p
20100722 02:55:47< esr> Dude who used to own Defador's staff of power.  You mean you never read the scene in DM where Delf gets his hands on it?
20100722 02:56:05< shadowmaster> I can hardly remember names.
20100722 02:56:13< shadowmaster> especially when they have extra punctuation in them
20100722 02:56:21< shadowmaster> ;)
20100722 02:56:27< esr> Wait...
20100722 02:56:51< shadowmaster> I guess I overdid it mainly because there's a lot of ideas that I have recycled from some...abandoned...game...project.
20100722 02:57:05< esr> See http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=666
20100722 02:58:05< esr> And notice how vague I was.
20100722 02:58:13< shadowmaster> but the basic struggle of Uria is the "motivation" for Zhangor's plot (UtBS backstory), the Yechnagoth trap (UtBS), Uria's take-over of Irdya (IftU and AtS)
20100722 02:58:42< shadowmaster> and that should be the only part (besides the elves' origin) that should matter to anything that happens in Irdya.
20100722 02:59:07< esr> Right.  Can you copme up with a way to motivate Uria that's less extravagant?
20100722 02:59:09< shadowmaster> now I can't control what will happen if Aethaeryn ever finishes his Thunderstone Era and we get space travel
20100722 02:59:17< shadowmaster> esr: nope.
20100722 02:59:33< esr> I'll worry about Aetheryn.
20100722 03:05:01 * shadowmaster tries to summon Espreon 
20100722 03:05:06< Espreon> Yes?
20100722 03:05:17< esr> Let me put it this way....if you don't fix the continuity on your future so it closes off as little of the universe as it must, *I* will end up doing when your stuff goes mainline *evil grin*  So think carefully about what parts you're really attached to.
20100722 03:05:23< shadowmaster> Espreon: are you reading us?
20100722 03:05:26< shadowmaster> or is that a script?
20100722 03:05:37< Espreon> I read thee.
20100722 03:05:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: It's a *very* elaborate script.
20100722 03:06:09< shadowmaster> esr: ohhh, sorry, I doubt my stuff will end up in mainline.
20100722 03:06:29< shadowmaster> also, most of that information is there as a guide and not actually featuring in my campaigns, except for some crucial bits.
20100722 03:06:33< Espreon> Gambit: ...
20100722 03:06:45< Espreon> shadowmaster: Anyway, what do you want?
20100722 03:07:00< shadowmaster> Espreon: you are supposed to back me up here.
20100722 03:08:20< Espreon> Sigh...
20100722 03:08:27< shadowmaster> I expect to some day leave the conclusion to IftU and AtS open at the end of a third campaign, but I doubt I'll ever make it.
20100722 03:08:46< shadowmaster> Espreon: wait, does that mean you are abandoning? o_O
20100722 03:08:59< Espreon> Hwæt? No!
20100722 03:09:09< Gambit> Ne'er
20100722 03:09:20< shadowmaster> your lack of comment on esr and I's current conversation does not impress me.
20100722 03:09:37< Gambit> You have failed him for the last time.
20100722 03:09:45< Espreon> shadowmaster: I haven't been feeling that great today... OK?
20100722 03:10:09< Gambit> Your lack of faith disturbs him.
20100722 03:10:15< shadowmaster> Espreon: okay, you have no fucking idea how I've been feeling this *year*.
20100722 03:10:23< shadowmaster> you think you have it hard ._.
20100722 03:10:31< Gambit> Espreon: You can pay him back tomorow.
20100722 03:11:05< shadowmaster> Espreon: "back me up"
20100722 03:11:12< shadowmaster> that doesn't require magic.
20100722 03:11:19< Espreon> Today it does.
20100722 03:11:29< shadowmaster> never mind then :|
20100722 03:12:23< shadowmaster> shikadibot: hug ggam
20100722 03:12:23 * shikadibot hugs ggam
20100722 03:12:27< Gambit> shadowmaster: I'd back you up if I had any idea what you were talking about.
20100722 03:12:28< shadowmaster> crap
20100722 03:12:37< shadowmaster> shikadibot: hug Gambit 
20100722 03:12:37 * shikadibot hugs Gambit
20100722 03:12:40 * esr is amused
20100722 03:13:00< Gambit> This reminds me though... I had a space project.
20100722 03:13:00< shadowmaster> Gambit: since Espreon seems to want to leave me alone, you'll be my new sla- servant.
20100722 03:13:07< Gambit> In fact I had wesnothy things in general.
20100722 03:13:23< esr> Minion.  The word you're looking for is "minion".
20100722 03:13:23 * Gambit is downloading trunk right now.
20100722 03:13:33< shadowmaster> minion
20100722 03:13:36< Gambit> servus
20100722 03:14:02< shadowmaster> Gambit: you are on windows?
20100722 03:14:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: Not in 4 days :D
20100722 03:14:28< shadowmaster> uh....hwæt?
20100722 03:14:35< shadowmaster> hwy 4 days?
20100722 03:14:52< Gambit> Well if you count the time I didn't wipe the sand out of my eyes fast enough and missed the time limit for choosing ubuntu on startup
20100722 03:15:18 * shadowmaster scratches head.
20100722 03:15:23< shadowmaster> you are saying you can't reboot to Ubuntu now?
20100722 03:15:26 * Gambit boots his computer before he even opens his eyes for the morning :o
20100722 03:15:30< Gambit> shadowmaster: No.
20100722 03:15:40< Gambit> I'm saying I've not used windows for four days.
20100722 03:15:47< shadowmaster> for 4 days?
20100722 03:15:55< Gambit> Yes
20100722 03:15:56< shadowmaster> ahhh
20100722 03:16:10< shadowmaster> okay, I got it, you've been away from Windows for 4 days.
20100722 03:16:14< Gambit> Well at least not on this computer.
20100722 03:16:15< shadowmaster> cool.
20100722 03:16:25< Gambit> I used it earlier to put ubuntu on my laptop
20100722 03:16:34< Gambit> I switched it from kubuntu to ubuntu
20100722 03:16:43< shadowmaster> heretic.
20100722 03:16:52< Espreon> Gambit: How dare you!
20100722 03:16:54< Gambit> shadowmaster: I have no idea how they did it.
20100722 03:17:05< shadowmaster> who when why?
20100722 03:17:09< Gambit> shadowmaster: But my little brother and dad managed to create the first case of linux rot I've ever heard of.
20100722 03:17:18< shadowmaster> they? you sayd *you switched it?
20100722 03:17:20< shadowmaster> said.
20100722 03:17:29< Gambit> They made KDE slow as crud
20100722 03:17:32< shadowmaster> SSH lag.
20100722 03:17:34< Gambit> So *I* uninstalled it
20100722 03:17:40< Gambit> And switched to ubuntu + gnome
20100722 03:17:52< Gambit> And set up remote desktop :whistle:
20100722 03:17:56< shadowmaster> my KDE 4 install here is as fast as it was when I first upgraded Debian
20100722 03:18:02< shadowmaster> upgraded...I mean switched to Testing.
20100722 03:18:08< Gambit> shadowmaster: My brother and dad are not normal.
20100722 03:18:12< Gambit> They can break anything.
20100722 03:18:19< shadowmaster> hm
20100722 03:18:44< Gambit> I had no problem with that laptop until I left it in the living room for them to use.
20100722 03:19:00< Gambit> Anyway back to before
20100722 03:19:12< Gambit> why do you ask?
20100722 03:19:45< shadowmaster> randomness.
20100722 03:19:51< Gambit> I see...
20100722 03:19:52< shadowmaster> Just randomness ;)
20100722 03:20:06< shadowmaster> I guess I should consider myself lucky for having technologically-illiterate parents.
20100722 03:20:21< Gambit> illiterate enough to avoid computers
20100722 03:20:29< Gambit> vs just literate enough to *think* they know what they're doing
20100722 03:21:23< Gambit> So do minions get dental?
20100722 03:21:32< shadowmaster> well, I had to help my father learn to use a laptop
20100722 03:21:44< shadowmaster> he's been doing well on his own I think.
20100722 03:21:56< Espreon> Really?
20100722 03:22:11< shadowmaster> yes
20100722 03:22:20< shadowmaster> at least he knows how to use the wireless modem.
20100722 03:22:30< shadowmaster> well, using some ISP software but anyway.
20100722 03:25:09< Gambit> okay well minion afk for ~30 minutes
20100722 03:25:14< shadowmaster> I need a new battery.
20100722 03:25:17< Gambit> dishes shower etc
20100722 03:25:22< shadowmaster> this thing doesn't seem to want to charge more than 86% now.
20100722 03:25:36< shadowmaster> well, 86% of 94% I mean.
20100722 03:25:44< shadowmaster> D:
20100722 03:28:06< shadowmaster> so, I'm considering buying a 1.5 TB external HDD.
20100722 03:28:20< shadowmaster> to backup my stuff.
20100722 03:28:54< shadowmaster> XFS would probably be a good filesystem for that since it doesn't demand periodic fsck runs
20100722 03:29:13< shadowmaster> XFS has been doing fine here for /tmp and something else
20100722 03:29:25< shadowmaster> ah, /usr/local and /opt
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20100722 03:40:07< shadowmaster> King_Elendil: you have Espreon here
20100722 03:40:18< shadowmaster> probably
20100722 03:40:33< King_Elendil> yes indeed :)
20100722 03:41:43< shadowmaster> okay I guess he isn't really here
20100722 03:42:34< King_Elendil> I'm talking to him right now :p
20100722 03:42:41< Espreon> Indeed.
20100722 03:43:49< shadowmaster> tsk.
20100722 03:44:02< shadowmaster> I guess I'm not allowed to hear. Never mind!
20100722 03:44:11< Espreon> Of course not!
20100722 03:44:21 * Espreon smiles creepily
20100722 03:44:40 * King_Elendil smiles creepily 
20100722 03:44:42< shadowmaster> okay, you asked for it.
20100722 03:44:46< shadowmaster> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100722 03:44:56< King_Elendil> ?
20100722 03:44:58< Espreon> Oh God...............
20100722 03:44:58< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SlasherSmile
20100722 03:45:09< Espreon> shadowmaster: We've had that one for a while!
20100722 03:45:13< Gambit> Thanks to bullet time I am back already.
20100722 03:45:27< shadowmaster> actually, many of the tropes here qualify: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SmileTropes
20100722 03:50:09< shadowmaster> pitiful...R600 EXA code optimization.
20100722 03:50:54< shadowmaster> or refactoring. The question is what it breaks.
20100722 03:51:35< shadowmaster> of course it oesn't matter at the end because the graphics stack is already crap.
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20100722 04:50:46< Espreon> shadowmaster: You claim that you miss my old posts... what old posts?
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20100722 04:52:52< shadowmaster> back when you were a cheerful fan of mine.
20100722 04:53:06< Espreon> How long ago was this?
20100722 04:53:09< Espreon> Hello Aethaeryn.
20100722 04:53:14< Gambit> A long time ago.
20100722 04:53:20< Gambit> In a galaxy far far away.
20100722 04:53:20< shadowmaster> emphasis on cheerful.
20100722 04:53:23< Espreon> At least one hundred years?
20100722 04:53:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: not now.
20100722 04:53:38< Gambit> It's always time for a star wars reference!
20100722 04:53:41< shadowmaster> Espreon: no, like, 2 years ago
20100722 04:53:47< Espreon> Oh, well, of course.
20100722 04:54:19< Espreon> That's because IftU was the first good campaign that I actually played.
20100722 04:54:43< shadowmaster> and then what?
20100722 04:54:47< shadowmaster> what went wrong?
20100722 04:55:28< Espreon> Well, I played it over nine thousand times, joined this project, grew up a bit, gained talent, got to know you well, got my creative spirits crushed, and... here I am.
20100722 04:55:41< Espreon> Some might be out of order.
20100722 04:55:50< shadowmaster> I did that?
20100722 04:55:55< Espreon> Nah.
20100722 04:55:59< Espreon> Mapping did.
20100722 04:56:00< shadowmaster> I crushed your creative spirit? o_O
20100722 04:56:04< Espreon> NO!
20100722 04:56:06< Espreon> MAPPING DID!
20100722 04:56:10 * shadowmaster goes to shoot self.
20100722 04:56:10< Espreon> FUCK YOU MAPPING!
20100722 04:56:11< Gambit> Why do fan creators insist in Off->High->Medium->Low
20100722 04:56:24< Espreon> shadowmaster: What about "NO" don't you comprehend?
20100722 04:56:47< shadowmaster> Gambit: hwæt?
20100722 04:56:55< Espreon> shadowmaster: You didn't do anything.
20100722 04:56:58< Espreon> Mapping did.
20100722 04:57:03< shadowmaster> Espreon: hey, I'm just acting.
20100722 04:57:07< shadowmaster> it's fun.
20100722 04:57:08< Espreon> Also, I never post on the fora anymore, for I have a title.
20100722 04:57:11< Espreon> ... and a color.
20100722 04:57:19< shadowmaster> and hwæt about it?
20100722 04:57:26< shadowmaster> I still post a lot on the forums with my title and color.
20100722 04:57:34< shadowmaster> so does Gambit but he's colorless.
20100722 04:57:36< shadowmaster> like water.
20100722 04:57:46< shadowmaster> Gambit is made of water :o
20100722 04:57:51< Espreon> shadowmaster: I don't need to look like an idiot.
20100722 04:57:57< Espreon> ... on teh fora.
20100722 04:57:57< shadowmaster> actually, we all are.
20100722 04:58:02< Espreon> Yeah, yeah...
20100722 04:58:10< shadowmaster> and yes, I also look like an idiot.
20100722 04:58:28< Espreon> shadowmaster: Awhile ago, you claimed that you'd map for me... Will you still do so?
20100722 04:58:30< shadowmaster> I'd give you examples but they were killed by the autopruner.
20100722 04:58:38< shadowmaster> Espreon: mmaybe
20100722 04:58:53< Espreon> Mapping was the thing that crushed my creative spirits.
20100722 04:58:55< shadowmaster> I'd need directions.
20100722 04:59:05< Espreon> OK, so... when shall we begin?
20100722 04:59:07< shadowmaster> I'm like a train.
20100722 04:59:16< shadowmaster> no rails, no fun.
20100722 04:59:37< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Sorry, I'm done with mapping... no more awesomeness from me.
20100722 04:59:39< shadowmaster> I'm also currently emitting steam from my mouth.
20100722 04:59:53< Espreon> To my mapping: goodnight, sweet prince.
20100722 05:00:05< shadowmaster> Espreon: any time you want...well, probably.
20100722 05:00:10< shadowmaster> for example, I may be unavailable for the next 3 days
20100722 05:00:20< Aethaeryn> Espreon: ?
20100722 05:00:31< Espreon> I'm not mapping anymore.
20100722 05:00:41< Aethaeryn> Mapped everything you needed?
20100722 05:00:53< Espreon> No.
20100722 05:00:55< Espreon> I hate it.
20100722 05:01:05< Espreon> It has completely halted my development.
20100722 05:01:08< Aethaeryn> oh, k
20100722 05:01:18< Aethaeryn> I think you might be too perfectionistic in mapping then.
20100722 05:01:26< Aethaeryn> It's best to make a million maps of meh quality and pick out a few gems...
20100722 05:01:29< shadowmaster> I agree with Aethaeryn 
20100722 05:01:31< Aethaeryn> Than to spend just as long on 5 maps
20100722 05:01:34< Espreon> I can't even start a simple map!
20100722 05:01:40< Aethaeryn> I do a lot of doodles that never see the light of day.
20100722 05:01:43< Aethaeryn> A lot of doodles.
20100722 05:01:45< shadowmaster> you have no idea how many times I had to start from scratch some of my maps
20100722 05:01:47< Espreon> I can't even decide on a size!
20100722 05:01:52< Aethaeryn> Again, play around.
20100722 05:01:55< shadowmaster> and how many times I have even replaced them later
20100722 05:01:55< Aethaeryn> Just mindlessly doodle
20100722 05:01:58< Espreon> NO! It's too scary!
20100722 05:02:10< Espreon> What if...
20100722 05:02:15< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Psychology is on my side.
20100722 05:02:16< Aethaeryn> So yeah.
20100722 05:02:17< shadowmaster> you never got to see the awfulness that was "pitch black", IftU scenario 8 in version 0.0.0
20100722 05:02:20< Espreon> I HAVE TO DO IT... ALL... OVER AGAIN‽
20100722 05:02:27< Aethaeryn> Espreon: You will do it all over again.
20100722 05:02:28< Aethaeryn> That's the point.
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20100722 05:02:32< Espreon> So, blame "The Northern Forest"!
20100722 05:02:34< Aethaeryn> You don't learn by doing one good map.
20100722 05:02:36< Espreon> BLAME IT!
20100722 05:02:43< Aethaeryn> You learn by doing a thousand progressively better maps.
20100722 05:02:53< Aethaeryn> And you abandon or redraw the vast majority of your old ones
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20100722 05:03:05< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: same goes for spriting, btw
20100722 05:03:18< Aethaeryn> I actually applied the analogy from creative writing.
20100722 05:03:18< Espreon> Don't bring that up... ever.
20100722 05:03:22< Aethaeryn> So it actually goes to any art.
20100722 05:03:23< Aethaeryn> even programming.
20100722 05:03:33< Aethaeryn> I do a million little crappy Python programs I hope no one ever sees.
20100722 05:03:40< Aethaeryn> And eventually, I'll be good enough in it, like what happened with WML.
20100722 05:03:44< Espreon> Why can't I just be greedy and keep my shit to myself?
20100722 05:03:52< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Do keep it to yourself.
20100722 05:03:53< shadowmaster> Espreon: we are just trying to help you! :(
20100722 05:03:59< Aethaeryn> I have a lot more unpublished things than published things...
20100722 05:04:03< Aethaeryn> Repetition, really.
20100722 05:04:11< shadowmaster> same
20100722 05:04:13< Aethaeryn> Mathematics, programming, writing, drawing, *anything*.
20100722 05:04:16< Aethaeryn> Any art.
20100722 05:04:25< Espreon> I don't know how I even manage to be....
20100722 05:04:44< shadowmaster> because! ... I've been wondering that myself for a long time.
20100722 05:04:51< Aethaeryn> Oh, I come from the school of thought that seems to have gone out of style after the Renaissance.
20100722 05:05:04< shadowmaster> I didn't need to...think again...about...
20100722 05:05:05< Aethaeryn> Don't just do one damn specialty. Do a million different things. They're all related.
20100722 05:05:13< shadowmaster> :|
20100722 05:05:13< Aethaeryn> The lessons you learn from one thing improve your skill in something else.
20100722 05:05:27< shadowmaster> :(
20100722 05:05:39< shadowmaster> :.(
20100722 05:06:01< shadowmaster> ;(
20100722 05:06:09<+shikadibot> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100722 05:06:15< shadowmaster> shikadibot: not now.
20100722 05:06:20<+shikadibot> aw.
20100722 05:06:23< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Basically, life is short. Very short. You won't be able to do alll grand ambitions.
20100722 05:06:46< Aethaeryn> But, it's better to live a life striving for perfection and falling short than to live a life in ignorance.
20100722 05:06:47< shadowmaster> yes, and I have to accept it too
20100722 05:06:49< Espreon> Well, then I must perfect my ultimate move before I die!
20100722 05:07:04< Espreon> The Naptime Deathclaw!
20100722 05:07:12< Aethaeryn> In other words, the only reason I work my damn ass off in university is because I only have one chance at it.
20100722 05:07:20< Aethaeryn> One guarunteed chance.
20100722 05:07:29< Aethaeryn> I have to learn as much as I can in a set time frame.
20100722 05:07:47< Aethaeryn> Same goes with linguistics, spriting, mapping, and other hobies of mine.
20100722 05:07:54< shadowmaster> holy-
20100722 05:07:59< shadowmaster> I didn't notice it was 11 pm already
20100722 05:08:05< Aethaeryn> I wasn't really motivated to do anything until I realized the limitations of time.
20100722 05:08:08 * Espreon cries
20100722 05:08:49< shadowmaster> Espreon: don't do that.
20100722 05:09:00< shadowmaster> or I'll Continue Referencing Trope Names.
20100722 05:09:00< Espreon> NnnnnnnnnnO!
20100722 05:09:01< shadowmaster> er.
20100722 05:09:07< shadowmaster> see? it's bad for me
20100722 05:09:08< Espreon> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU—
20100722 05:09:31<+shikadibot> we lost him
20100722 05:09:47< shadowmaster> it's my fault
20100722 05:10:07< shadowmaster> I force him to make maps in exchange for bananas.
20100722 05:10:17< shadowmaster> *forced
20100722 05:10:19< Aethaeryn> Espreon: So... yeah... You need to realize your full potential.
20100722 05:10:26< shadowmaster> wait, that wasn't Espreon.
20100722 05:10:33< shadowmaster> so never mind what I just said.
20100722 05:10:42< Aethaeryn> If you don't start now, and instead procrastinate, the same thing will happen as every other time someone procrastinates: they start too late and run out of time.
20100722 05:10:55< Aethaeryn> Except with life, you don't get to come up with some lame excuse in an attempt to turn it in late for partial credit.
20100722 05:11:22< Aethaeryn> Espreon: So, yeah, you need to start mapping.
20100722 05:11:30< Espreon> More like resume...
20100722 05:11:32< shadowmaster> no, he needs a break
20100722 05:11:37< Aethaeryn> eh, yeah
20100722 05:11:38< shadowmaster> like, hell NOW
20100722 05:11:40< shadowmaster> NOW
20100722 05:11:44< Aethaeryn> Espreon: actually, I always do better after my breaks.
20100722 05:11:49< shadowmaster> otherwise we'll lose him
20100722 05:11:56< Aethaeryn> every time I take a break from WML, I understand it 1000000x better when I resume.
20100722 05:11:58< Espreon> Not in this case..
20100722 05:12:03< Aethaeryn> Yes that's 10^6
20100722 05:12:16< Espreon> Screw thine exponents!
20100722 05:12:25< Aethaeryn> No!
20100722 05:12:37< shadowmaster> pow(10,6);
20100722 05:12:41< Aethaeryn> Mathematics is the closest to epistemological certainty we mere mortals can obtain?
20100722 05:12:44< Aethaeryn> Whoops.
20100722 05:12:46< shadowmaster> shikadibot: pow?
20100722 05:12:47<+shikadibot> Sorry, I don't know what 'pow' means...
20100722 05:12:49< Espreon> I can't do maths...
20100722 05:12:50< Aethaeryn> I meant! 
20100722 05:12:55< Aethaeryn> *I meant "!"
20100722 05:12:55< shadowmaster> shikadibot: useless b-
20100722 05:13:13< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Math as it is taught is rather flawed.
20100722 05:13:26< shadowmaster> Espreon: you know, you almost make me want to reveal the truth about me :p
20100722 05:13:27< Espreon> I know that!
20100722 05:13:35 * Espreon was talking to Aethaeryn 
20100722 05:13:38< Aethaeryn> But that does not make mathematics flawed
20100722 05:13:42< Aethaeryn> That just makes our education system shit.
20100722 05:13:42< Espreon> No....
20100722 05:13:49< Espreon> I...
20100722 05:13:50< Espreon> just...
20100722 05:13:52< Espreon> suck...
20100722 05:13:54< Aethaeryn> Numbers are very exciting if you do them for intrinsic motivation.
20100722 05:13:55< Espreon> at teh maths!
20100722 05:14:03< Espreon> No, there's nothing exciting about them.
20100722 05:14:06< Aethaeryn> Espreon: self-fulfilling prophecy.
20100722 05:14:21< Aethaeryn> If you think you suck at math, you will suck at math.
20100722 05:14:22< Espreon> Fuck thy prophecies...
20100722 05:14:28< Aethaeryn> If you think math is fun, you will find math fun.
20100722 05:14:45< Aethaeryn> It seems almost like a tautology, but there is a major distinction here.
20100722 05:14:45< Espreon> It is not! It only causes pain and suffering, unless the thing that is being taught is fairly simple.
20100722 05:14:53< Aethaeryn> ah
20100722 05:14:55< Aethaeryn> Simple is relative.
20100722 05:15:03< Aethaeryn> What you need to do to make math simple...
20100722 05:15:09< Espreon> Can't.
20100722 05:15:13< Aethaeryn> Is to do some really damn difficult stuff in every area.
20100722 05:15:20< Aethaeryn> Such as mental arethmatic.
20100722 05:15:34< Aethaeryn> Then all the stuff you come across seems damn simple.
20100722 05:15:38< Aethaeryn> And simple is fun because it makes you seem smart.
20100722 05:15:56< Aethaeryn> It's all about self-brainwashing.
20100722 05:16:08 * Espreon is not able to do teh maths in his head
20100722 05:16:10< Aethaeryn> Easy Math -> Normal Math -> Difficult Math -> Normal Math
20100722 05:16:19< Aethaeryn> And then normal math seems easy.
20100722 05:16:22< Aethaeryn> Only then.
20100722 05:16:28< Espreon> But, it's true.
20100722 05:16:29< Aethaeryn> Espreon: As for math in your head, that's because you don't have Android.
20100722 05:16:33< Aethaeryn> Math Workshop + is fun.
20100722 05:16:43< Espreon> Math is not fun.
20100722 05:16:46< Aethaeryn> Used to be Maths Workshop +, but they gave into the Americans. :-(
20100722 05:16:51< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Mental perception.
20100722 05:16:57< Aethaeryn> I find every subject I have to take fun.
20100722 05:17:02< Aethaeryn> Merely because that way I can get an A in it.
20100722 05:17:12< Espreon> I could probably master Proto-Indo-European before mastering calculus.
20100722 05:17:30< Aethaeryn> Again, attitude.
20100722 05:17:36< Aethaeryn> You simply need to trick yourself.
20100722 05:18:01< Espreon> Unless maths involve death and destruction, IDC.
20100722 05:18:05< Aethaeryn> It does!
20100722 05:18:10< Aethaeryn> Doubly!
20100722 05:18:11< Espreon> NO, IT DOESN'T!
20100722 05:18:13< Aethaeryn> YES IT DOES!
20100722 05:18:18< Espreon> Why don't I see it‽
20100722 05:18:22< Aethaeryn> Cryptography, computers, physics...
20100722 05:18:30< Aethaeryn> So many *applications* of math can be used for death and destruction
20100722 05:18:38< Aethaeryn> You just have to get past the boring drills.
20100722 05:18:45< Aethaeryn> Kinda like you have to do in athletics to get to the fun stuff
20100722 05:19:01< Espreon> No! Maths can only be taught by midgets that are fighting to the death!
20100722 05:19:22< Aethaeryn> The only true teacher of mathematics is yourself.
20100722 05:19:32< Espreon> It does not please me...
20100722 05:19:33< Aethaeryn> Forget professors.
20100722 05:19:42< Espreon> I'd probably get spriting before teh mathys.
20100722 05:19:43< Aethaeryn> Teach yourself something for the intrinsic enjoyment.
20100722 05:19:45< Espreon> *maths
20100722 05:19:46< Aethaeryn> Eh.
20100722 05:19:50< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Go to university.
20100722 05:20:01< Aethaeryn> Especially liberal arts subjects. Try philosophy.
20100722 05:20:08< Aethaeryn> You will be *begging* for mathematics after a few years.
20100722 05:20:12< Aethaeryn> Just to get some damn certainty!
20100722 05:20:15< Aethaeryn> So much subjectivity.
20100722 05:20:16< Espreon> NnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnO!
20100722 05:20:18< Aethaeryn> It's true.
20100722 05:20:31< Espreon> It beeþ a lie.
20100722 05:20:33< Aethaeryn> It's refreshing to have 1+1 always equal 2.
20100722 05:20:41< Aethaeryn> No beep lie here.
20100722 05:21:00< Espreon> ...........................
20100722 05:21:04< Espreon> Learn to read.
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20100722 05:21:58< Aethaeryn> ι can reαd
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20100722 05:22:22< Aethaeryn> Espreon: EPISTEMOLOGICAL CERTAINTY!
20100722 05:22:40< Aethaeryn> The only things you can truly know 100% are the abstract!
20100722 05:23:23< Aethaeryn> π = 3.141529... always, forever, unchanging.
20100722 05:24:21< Aethaeryn> 1 + 1 = 10
20100722 05:24:24< Aethaeryn> in binary, of course.
20100722 05:24:52< Aethaeryn> 1 1 10 11 101 1000 1101
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20100722 05:25:43< Aethaeryn> Espreon: 6*9, 16*99, 116*999, 1116*9999... patterns!
20100722 05:26:27< Aethaeryn> try 54/99, 543/999, 5432/9999, etc.
20100722 05:26:35< Aethaeryn> naturally, 9 is one of the coolest numbers.
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20100722 05:26:41< Espreon> .................................................
20100722 05:27:15< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Fuck this, I'm mapping after recompiling Wesnoth.
20100722 05:27:18< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Compute those numbers!
20100722 05:27:23< Aethaeryn> Cool things happen
20100722 05:27:30< Espreon> No.
20100722 05:27:35< Aethaeryn> you can replace 6 with any other one-digit number in the first one.
20100722 05:27:42< Espreon> Shut up.
20100722 05:27:53< shadowmaster> shadowm_laptop
20100722 05:27:55< Aethaeryn> and try any digits in the same amount as the digits of 9
20100722 05:27:58< shadowmaster> WHERE THE FUCK AM I?!
20100722 05:28:05< shadowmaster> IT'S LIKE THE HYPERSPACE OR SOMETHING
20100722 05:28:13< Aethaeryn> so 753/999 is cool, as is 5424/9999
20100722 05:28:24< Espreon> Mapping > listening Aethaeryn babble about shit noöne cares about.
20100722 05:28:28< Espreon> *listening to
20100722 05:28:33< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Ah.
20100722 05:29:18< Aethaeryn> ~(∃x)(Cx)
20100722 05:29:30< Aethaeryn> Ca
20100722 05:29:37< Aethaeryn> If I did the symbols right, it seems like there is a contradiction here.
20100722 05:30:07< Aethaeryn> No one cares, yet there is an instance of an individual "a" who cares.
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20100722 05:30:59< Aethaeryn> We have a problem here.
20100722 05:31:20< Aethaeryn> (∀x)(~Cx)
20100722 05:31:22< Aethaeryn> Ca
20100722 05:31:38< Aethaeryn> This means that both Ca and ~Ca exist.
20100722 05:31:43< Aethaeryn> If both premises are true...
20100722 05:31:51< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: your wish has come true.
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20100722 05:32:10< Aethaeryn> http://xkcd.com/704/
20100722 05:32:55< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: no, not that.
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20100722 05:33:21< Aethaeryn> Well, it's either XKCD #704 or one of the two premises is false.
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20100722 05:34:06< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: hi.
20100722 05:34:09< shadowmaster> read Off-Topic.
20100722 05:34:29< shadowmaster> you kn ow you want to.
20100722 05:34:52<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7455 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/ (11 files in 3 dirs): TSL: imported the blood terrains from AtS.
20100722 05:35:00< Espreon> shadowmaster: Where is the apt cache usually located?
20100722 05:35:19-!- King_Elendil [~King_Elen@75.143.235.104] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev
20100722 05:35:23< shadowmaster> /var/cache/apt
20100722 05:35:34< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I used to read Off Topic all the time.
20100722 05:35:39< Aethaeryn> And then summer classes happened. :S
20100722 05:35:46< shadowmaster> /var/cache/apt/archives actually
20100722 05:36:02< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: please, don't tell me your whole personal life Just read the damn forum.
20100722 05:36:11< shadowmaster> there must be something new on it, no?
20100722 05:37:02< King_Elendil> shadowmaster, I share your view of the off-topic forum games. What a waste of time.
20100722 05:37:38< shadowmaster> King_Elendil: where?
20100722 05:37:41< shadowmaster> my blog?
20100722 05:38:05< shadowmaster> gods, I thought people would come to me praising me for managing to free the Off-Topic forum from the bane of autopruning.
20100722 05:38:13< shadowmaster> /o\
20100722 05:38:36< King_Elendil> lol
20100722 05:38:38< shadowmaster> I guess it was a lost cause.
20100722 05:38:49< shadowmaster> Worship me now , heretics, or I'll set the autopruning again.
20100722 05:39:00< shadowmaster> to 24 hours.
20100722 05:39:07< King_Elendil> lol
20100722 05:39:44< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: you in particular.
20100722 05:39:47< shadowmaster> c'mon, worship me now.
20100722 05:39:52< shadowmaster> you wanted this to be done.
20100722 05:41:03< shadowmaster> k, I'll set the autopruner again but to work every 1 hour.
20100722 05:41:10< Aethaeryn> 1 hour?
20100722 05:41:16< shadowmaster> no, better, I'll just delete Off-Topic. *click* *click*
20100722 05:42:05< shadowmaster> I still don't feel that any of you is worshiping me.
20100722 05:42:15<+shikadibot> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100722 05:42:18< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=444435#p444435
20100722 05:42:20<+shikadibot> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve
20100722 05:42:22< Aethaeryn> this is what you wanted me to do, right?
20100722 05:42:39< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: ...no.
20100722 05:42:45 * shadowmaster scratches head.
20100722 05:43:00< shadowmaster> I want you to pray from the Book of Ignatius.
20100722 05:43:11< shadowmaster> the holy words that shall unleash the evil within the Shadow Master.
20100722 05:43:23< shadowmaster> unto the foul jaws of Anonymous.
20100722 05:43:50< shadowmaster> maybe I'm stretching this metaphor a bit too much and you really didn't get the memo above (
20100722 05:43:54< shadowmaster> :(
20100722 05:44:03< shadowmaster> since I don't sense joy in your heart.
20100722 05:44:43< shadowmaster> I only sense...a...weird...noise. Like some kind of mechanical engine.
20100722 05:45:12< shadowmaster> audience: say /me if you are still lost and don't have any idea of what I'm actually talking about :(
20100722 05:45:40< shadowmaster> c'mon, I don't have all the night here.
20100722 05:46:17< Espreon> Damn it, the animated blood is broken.
20100722 05:46:36< Espreon> Oh well...
20100722 05:46:42< shadowmaster> okay, I have another forum from which I can gather energy from my subordinates' prayers.
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20100722 05:49:38< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I'm... uh... exhausted from almost two weeks of being a full-time student in the summer. Since session ii is overlapping with session i, and so I'm finishing up one class while I'm starting 3 others.
20100722 05:50:04< Aethaeryn> So yeah, excuse me for my failure to notice the obvious. I have a final tomorrow.
20100722 05:50:27< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: ;(
20100722 05:50:33< shadowmaster> at least you are a good student
20100722 05:50:36< shadowmaster> unlike, uh, me.
20100722 05:51:16< Aethaeryn> ah, okay... found it... ¬ is the other not sign in logic.
20100722 05:51:34< shadowmaster> what is the...other?
20100722 05:51:39< shadowmaster> I only knew of that one.
20100722 05:51:41< Aethaeryn> It's confusing being interdepartmental since I have to know two sets of symbols. Would be like using both "*" and "x" for multiplication and having to switch them at will.
20100722 05:52:17< Aethaeryn> ¬ and ~ are not
20100722 05:52:23< Aethaeryn> ⋀ and ⋅ are and
20100722 05:52:55< Aethaeryn> → and ⊃
20100722 05:53:31< Aethaeryn> the only thing that's the same is ⋁ I suppose.
20100722 05:53:56< Aethaeryn> oh, maybe ≡
20100722 05:54:11< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: anyway, apparently there's some epic deductive symbol war between comp sci and philosophy.
20100722 05:54:44< Aethaeryn> I don't think there's any other way I can put it.
20100722 05:55:29< Aethaeryn> PHIL 346 was the same kinds of logic as CMSC 203, basically the same rules and stuff... but with different symbols.
20100722 05:57:02< Aethaeryn> In case you can't already tell, (they're Philosophy 346 and Computer Science 203, and both deal with deductive logic)
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20100722 06:01:15< un214> so Espreon are you actually there or are you AFK again
20100722 06:03:26< Espreon> un214: I'm here.
20100722 06:03:43< un214> you need to copy your change to Story of Wose trunk to 1.8 branch
20100722 06:04:26< Espreon> What change?
20100722 06:04:30<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7456 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/ (terrain-graphics/_final.cfg terrain-virtual.cfg): TSL: updated paths.
20100722 06:04:46< un214> looks like a mass change from the checkin comment
20100722 06:05:06< un214> it got _server.ign
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20100722 06:06:09< Espreon> Ah.
20100722 06:06:31< un214> unless of course you want me to overwite it eight months from now when I do branch to trunk
20100722 06:06:54<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7457 /branches/1.8/Story_of_Wose/_server.ign: SoW (1.8): ran fix-ign.
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20100722 06:08:32< un214> yeah my _server.ign is not quite stock
20100722 06:08:52< un214> that Makefile really does exist
20100722 06:09:00< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Permission to semi-derail a thread that seems a little pointless atm
20100722 06:09:09< shadowmaster> which one?
20100722 06:09:15< Aethaeryn> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30836
20100722 06:09:36< shadowmaster> no
20100722 06:09:46< Aethaeryn> :-(
20100722 06:09:46< Espreon> un214: So?
20100722 06:09:49< Aethaeryn> k
20100722 06:09:50< shadowmaster> the OP was pretty clear in the thread's title
20100722 06:09:55< Aethaeryn> thought so
20100722 06:10:03< un214> so nothing I suppose
20100722 06:10:13< Aethaeryn> wasn't intending on posting it, just wanted to kinda randomly see if it would work
20100722 06:10:26< Aethaeryn> Espreon: I write a lot of things I don't post :-P
20100722 06:12:51< un214> anybody want some Ϟ
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20100722 06:16:17< Aethaeryn> un214: nah, I'll stick to π
20100722 06:16:51< Espreon> What about Ϡ?
20100722 06:17:35 * Espreon wonders why the gate only appears in AtS's group.
20100722 06:18:06< Espreon> shadowmaster: ^ This does not please me.
20100722 06:19:22< un214> lol
20100722 06:20:21< un214> does wesnoth support such abuse of unicode, and will the translators kill me for it?
20100722 06:20:40< Espreon> Hey, mainline does it now!
20100722 06:20:44< Espreon> ... thanks to me.
20100722 06:21:02< un214> really? where?
20100722 06:21:19< Espreon> In trunk.
20100722 06:21:32< Espreon> Dashes galore!
20100722 06:21:41-!- King_Elendil [~King_Elen@75.143.235.104] has quit [Quit: I hope y'all have a nice day ;)]
20100722 06:22:21< Espreon> Damn it, if only AI0867 were here to fix the animated blood...
20100722 06:22:39< un214> shall I summon him?
20100722 06:23:00< Espreon> Good luck.
20100722 06:23:26< Espreon> un214: Also, we do curly quotation marks.
20100722 06:24:00< un214> hmmm the only summon I can find is summon flood -- better not use that
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20100722 06:25:16< shadowmaster> ahem.
20100722 06:25:32 * shadowmaster tries to resurrect his laptop session
20100722 06:26:03< un214> how come when you drop you get a netsplit?
20100722 06:27:00< un214> !wesbot
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20100722 06:33:23<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7458 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/docs/elementals: TSL: renamed the Fire Wisp.
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20100722 07:22:11<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7459 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/maps/03_Blood_Mist_Forest.map: TSL: added early version of scenario three's new map.
20100722 07:22:16< Espreon> Aethaeryn: ^
20100722 07:23:14< Espreon> Of course, it's a WIP.
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20100722 07:40:25< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Okay, cool...
20100722 07:40:34< Aethaeryn> But I have a final at 6 pm tomorrow
20100722 07:40:44< Aethaeryn> that's cumulative, and thus harder than the other exams. :/
20100722 07:41:03< Aethaeryn> So I can't follow links or SVN things until tomorrow night, when I probably will be too tired for IRC :-P
20100722 07:41:17< shadowmaster> I kinda want to strangle eleazar for making all of these AWESOME terrain changes...that make me afraid of being overloaded with NEW STUFF TO GET USED TO.
20100722 07:41:52< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Awwwwww...
20100722 07:41:58< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Yeah. Completely redefined the asthetics, especially with flat and water.
20100722 07:42:08< Aethaeryn> I'll have to do cosmetic revisions to all my maps, since all of them... include flat terrain.
20100722 07:42:14< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: no, it's not that.
20100722 07:42:20< shadowmaster> it's because there are new terrains, other terrains were removed
20100722 07:42:27< Aethaeryn> ah
20100722 07:42:27< shadowmaster> the mechanics of terrains changed (rendering-wise)
20100722 07:42:32< shadowmaster> it's all sooooo CONFUSING
20100722 07:42:36 * shadowmaster curls up on the floor.
20100722 07:43:05< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Unfortunately, I can't solve P=NP without first doing years of... homework in all my classes.
20100722 07:43:09< Aethaeryn> :-(
20100722 07:46:28< Aethaeryn> I kinda wish I was a pure genius that didn't really have to do any work. I'm just above average to the point where I'm probably in the 98th or 99th percentile... which seems narrow until you realize that that means there's probably around 1-6 million people in the USA alone that are smarter than me, and they probably tend to skew the average in higher education.
20100722 07:46:59< Aethaeryn> And considering that 40% or so of grad students are foreigners, the pool of competition is actually rather large.
20100722 07:47:18< Aethaeryn> And they have extracurriculars other than a "Linux Users Group" :-P
20100722 07:48:46< Aethaeryn> So basically, my biggest weakness is also my only competitive advantage: I have no life. No job, no sport, few activities, no girlfriend, few friends.
20100722 07:49:02< Aethaeryn> Which means that I can spend more time on schoolwork than the average person.
20100722 07:52:37< Aethaeryn> To make a long rant short, I have absolutely no natural advantages except for intelligence, and I'm not *that* smart, considering that most people only go so far in education. So basically, I have no choice but to work hard.
20100722 07:53:06< Aethaeryn> And that's probably why IT people are practically worked to death once they go to the real world with long hours without overtime pay... :-P
20100722 07:56:07< Aethaeryn> On the plus side, both my philosophy classes are rather relaxed in grading, so I should have more time after Thursday, to finally get the promised Thunderstone updates in....
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20100722 07:59:01< Aethaeryn> Espreon: If there's one thing I've observed, it's that most smart computer people are lazy and would rather be playing games of some sort.
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20100722 07:59:15< Espreon> Heh...
20100722 07:59:18< Aethaeryn> I say in the channel of a game I've spent countless hours making (and playtesting) things for
20100722 08:00:57< Aethaeryn> actually, I'm probably most guilty. It's my personal development philosophy to spend more time playing than making the thing... most of the time I can throw together something (new or revized) in 30-120 minutes that can last 6+ hours.
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20100722 08:38:11<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7460 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/docs/elementals: TSL: added moar info to 'elementals'.
20100722 08:41:27<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7461 /trunk/The_Silver_Lands/docs/elementals: TSL: defined the elemental wisp.
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20100722 13:14:29< Gambit> zookeeper: How long did it take to write The Greatest Post Ever?
20100722 13:14:57< Gambit> ( http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=444473#p444473 )
20100722 13:16:50< timotei> haha
20100722 13:16:52< timotei> nice post zookeeper 
20100722 13:17:14< thespaceinvader> gambit: that thread made me lol and cry
20100722 13:17:30< thespaceinvader> meowreka seems to be an awesomely uninformed troll
20100722 13:18:31< Gambit> Post 3 supports that theory.
20100722 13:20:36< timotei> lol
20100722 13:20:42< timotei> did you see the 444473 thing?:))
20100722 13:23:02< timotei> thespaceinvader: define: QFT
20100722 13:23:12< thespaceinvader> quoted for truth
20100722 13:23:19< timotei> oh:D
20100722 13:23:21< timotei> thanks
20100722 13:23:21< thespaceinvader> alternatively quite f...ing true
20100722 13:23:31< thespaceinvader> but the former is more appropriate lol
20100722 13:24:01< thespaceinvader> meowreka's post in that offtopic thread about spriting also supports that idea
20100722 13:29:13< timotei> :))
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20100722 14:08:44< Gambit> Wow this: http://irdya.stack76.net/ is still being worked on.
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20100722 18:50:21< AI0867> Espreon: what's wrong with the blood?
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20100722 20:03:35< shadowmaster> okay, I've got a problem here
20100722 20:03:51< shadowmaster> latest mesa from git master appears to be slightly broken, at least the DRI driver for the R6xx
20100722 20:04:13< shadowmaster> at least the capabilities required by kwin's compositing are now absent.
20100722 20:10:44< timotei> hi shadowm_laptop 
20100722 20:10:47< timotei> hi shadowmaster 
20100722 20:10:52< timotei> damn autcomplete:P
20100722 20:11:05< shadowmaster> both work
20100722 20:12:59< Gambit> "shadowm"
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20100722 22:12:52< shadowmaster> huh.
20100722 22:13:05< shadowmaster> usually X.org takes up around 200 MB of RAM here and now it's just 89.
20100722 22:14:45< shadowmaster> ...and I fixed my pretty kwin compositing by reverting to an earlier revision of mesa
20100722 22:15:05< shadowmaster> detached git HEADs for the win!
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20100722 23:18:29< Espreon> AI0867: The recoloring effect is not being applied.
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