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20100724 00:09:55<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7465 /branches/1.8/The_White_Lich/ (6 files): Checked in 'The White Lich'.
20100724 00:10:16< Aethaeryn> O.o
20100724 00:11:18< Espreon> Aethaeryn: What?
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20100724 00:14:01< Gambit> *Hwæt?
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20100724 00:14:48< Espreon> Gambit: He wouldn't be amused.
20100724 00:15:13< Espreon> ... even though he should...
20100724 00:16:57< Aethaeryn> Espreon: new?
20100724 00:17:10< Espreon> Hmmmmm?
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20100724 02:02:43<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7470 /branches/1.8/The_White_Lich/images/maps/distant-west.png: 
20100724 02:02:43<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: TWL: ran wesnoth-optipng:
20100724 02:02:43<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: Overall statistics (only for files with a smaller recompressed size):
20100724 02:02:43<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev:  Original size: 1081 KiB on 1 files
20100724 02:02:43<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev:  Optimized size: 1024 KiB
20100724 02:02:44<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev:  Total saving: 57 KiB = 5% decrease
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20100724 02:14:41<+CIA-28> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7471 /branches/1.8/The_White_Lich/ (_main.cfg translations/): TWL: added a translations directory and added a path for the textdomain.
20100724 03:10:34< Gambit> Newest annoyance: Why so many red pegs in battleship?
20100724 03:10:52< Gambit> There are only 17 possible hits per player per game.
20100724 03:11:04< Gambit> So at most you need 34 red pegs.
20100724 03:11:18< Gambit> So to be on the safe side include 68 incase they lose some.
20100724 03:11:27< Gambit> But they pack in so many we don't need...
20100724 03:11:33< Gambit> And we run out of white.
20100724 03:30:30< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster: what's the URL for the umc-dev project trunk?
20100724 03:30:58< elvish_sovereign> hmmm
20100724 03:31:02< elvish_sovereign> he's away
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20100724 03:32:47< elvish_sovereign> ahh got it
20100724 03:33:40< shadowm_laptop> elvish_sovereign: don't checkout the whole thing
20100724 03:33:45< elvish_sovereign> I know
20100724 03:33:45< shadowm_laptop> elvish_sovereign: what add-on you want to checkout?
20100724 03:33:52< elvish_sovereign> no
20100724 03:33:59< elvish_sovereign> it's that i got a GUI client
20100724 03:34:05< elvish_sovereign> and i was setting the bookmark
20100724 03:34:10< elvish_sovereign> bookmarks*
20100724 03:34:17< shadowm_laptop> oh
20100724 03:35:18< shadowm_laptop> anyway, https://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/<path>  just to check if you got the right one
20100724 03:35:29< shadowm_laptop> <path> being trunk/
20100724 03:35:30< elvish_sovereign> exactly
20100724 03:35:43< elvish_sovereign> did away with the trunk part though
20100724 03:35:53< elvish_sovereign> just https://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wesnoth-umc-dev/
20100724 03:50:27< Gambit> "high def" is the new "X"
20100724 03:50:39< Gambit> Marketing thinks you can just slap it on anywhere to make a product sound better.
20100724 03:50:49< Gambit> "High def internet" "High def paint" "High def sunglasses"
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20100724 03:58:59< Aethaeryn> Marketing can be worse.
20100724 03:59:00< Aethaeryn> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XtremeKoolLetterz
20100724 03:59:23< Aethaeryn> At least "definition" is a fairly big word. (Thus why it's abbreviated more than half the time.)
20100724 04:00:02< Gambit> heh I didn't realize mysticX was in here.
20100724 04:00:13< Gambit> I wonder if he'll follow the trend and become mysticHighDef
20100724 04:01:43< Aethaeryn> there is probably a trope that covers stupid buzzwords in marketing.
20100724 04:01:50< Aethaeryn> "Proprietary" is one of those ones that I cringe when I hear.
20100724 04:02:10< Aethaeryn> "Our PROPRIETARY formula allows our product to be better than everything else on the market..."
20100724 04:02:31< Aethaeryn> "That's why we're selling it for $10 when there are similar products of higher quality out there for 10x as much."
20100724 04:03:31< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: we need you to find a trope for that "high def" stuff Gambit is talking about!
20100724 04:04:17< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Saltwater crocodiles: most dangerous animals?
20100724 04:04:23 * Espreon wonders why Aethaeryn has time for this crap and not Espreon...
20100724 04:04:26< Aethaeryn> Agree/disagree?
20100724 04:04:29 * Espreon is very sad...
20100724 04:04:33< Aethaeryn> Espreon: My hard class just ended.
20100724 04:04:45< Aethaeryn> Espreon: you can answer my challenge too
20100724 04:04:57< Aethaeryn> name something I should fear more than saltwater crocodiles, for their predatory nature.
20100724 04:05:08< Aethaeryn> I'm not talking about some tiny spider or snake or something with venom... most venoms have cures.
20100724 04:05:18< Aethaeryn> I'm talking about a damn maneating monster that should be shot on sight.
20100724 04:05:34< Aethaeryn> or you can just agree with me on crocodiles being evil.
20100724 04:05:40< Espreon> The Midget Nijoraka...
20100724 04:05:45< Aethaeryn> Eh...
20100724 04:06:06< Espreon> ... it'll just start running after anything that moves...
20100724 04:06:12< Aethaeryn> hrmmm
20100724 04:06:18< Espreon> ... and try to eat it with its razor-sharp fangs.
20100724 04:06:23< Aethaeryn> hrmm
20100724 04:06:36< Aethaeryn> Gambit: You should go into biological engineering.
20100724 04:07:05< Aethaeryn> Then do a combination of genetic modification as well as artificial selection to breed really large, really violent crocodiles.
20100724 04:07:08< Espreon> Even if it is just a vine being moved by the wind... the Midget Nijoraka will go after it...
20100724 04:07:11< Aethaeryn> Biological weapons...
20100724 04:07:22< Aethaeryn> Paradrop five dozen damn crocodile in enemy territory.
20100724 04:07:27< Aethaeryn> No need for explosions.
20100724 04:08:00 * Espreon wonders if Aethaeryn has time for his maps now...
20100724 04:08:05< Aethaeryn> Though maybe have them self-destruct if shot, with a bomb wired to them.
20100724 04:08:05< Aethaeryn> so...
20100724 04:08:07< Aethaeryn> If you don't kill the crocodile, it'll rip you apart. If you do kill the crocodile, it'll blow up.
20100724 04:08:21< Aethaeryn> Espreon: In exactly 2 hours.
20100724 04:08:25< Espreon> Fine...
20100724 04:08:40< Aethaeryn> if I don't accidentally fall asleep before then
20100724 04:08:47< Gambit> Aethaeryn: the perfect bio weapon would be something that reacted with human skin.
20100724 04:08:51< Aethaeryn> nah.
20100724 04:08:57< Espreon> Aethaeryn: In reality, you know that the Midget Nijoraka is to be feared.
20100724 04:09:02< Aethaeryn> forget little tiny biochem things.
20100724 04:09:57< Aethaeryn> Genetically modify crocodiles to be ultra-aggressive and large, put bombs in them that go off if their hearts stop beating, and drop them in enemy territory instead of bombs. No further human involvement on your side of the war necessary.
20100724 04:10:13< Aethaeryn> Don't kill a crocodile, they'll kill you. Kill a crocodile, the explosion will kill you.
20100724 04:10:16< Aethaeryn> There is no way to win.
20100724 04:10:30< Aethaeryn> And when the war is over, you just remote-detonate them so they pose no threat to your occupying force.
20100724 04:10:30< Espreon> What if you just nuke them?
20100724 04:10:53< Aethaeryn> Espreon: I'm going to propose the DoD fund my project. American never invades a country with nukes or even a country with a decent enough military to be able to fight back.
20100724 04:11:15< Espreon> Aethaeryn: But, what about our dream?
20100724 04:11:15< Aethaeryn> So they'll be too impoverised to effectively combat these.
20100724 04:11:23< Aethaeryn> what dream?
20100724 04:11:30< Espreon> Our little country in the sea..
20100724 04:11:35< Aethaeryn> right
20100724 04:11:42< Aethaeryn> we can still do that.
20100724 04:11:45< Espreon> ... we should keep these and force everyone to.. yeahz...
20100724 04:11:52< Aethaeryn> Defense contracters get filthy rich.
20100724 04:12:07< Aethaeryn> Considering the military gets about 40% to 50% of the taxpayer money
20100724 04:12:22< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Unfortunately, nukes are an effective solution to these things.
20100724 04:12:30< Espreon> Hmmmmm...
20100724 04:12:31< Aethaeryn> As well as preemptive strikes on the manufacturers.
20100724 04:12:38< Aethaeryn> You would need a big-state sponsor.
20100724 04:13:02< Aethaeryn> But again, crocodiles. With bombs. Only the crocodile hunter would be able to defeat them.
20100724 04:13:04< Espreon> Well, what if we just sneak these guys into a bunch of military bases... and make our country undetectable by most means...
20100724 04:13:06< Aethaeryn> R.I.P. :-(
20100724 04:13:20< Aethaeryn> hrmmm
20100724 04:13:20< Espreon> ... but.... what about Billy Mays?
20100724 04:13:28< Aethaeryn> Yes, Billy Mays could stop them too...
20100724 04:13:37< Aethaeryn> we need him on our team so that he can fight them if something goes horribly wrong
20100724 04:13:40< Aethaeryn> :-(
20100724 04:13:43< Aethaeryn> oh, shit, wait.
20100724 04:13:55< Aethaeryn> Mighty putty and oxyclean just can't defeat them if not used by the Expert.
20100724 04:14:25< Gambit> Mighty putty is might enough for the toughest jobs!
20100724 04:14:33< Aethaeryn> oh, hrmmm
20100724 04:14:43< Aethaeryn> you could just mighty putty the crocodiles mouths shut
20100724 04:14:45< Espreon> What about the Samurai Shark?
20100724 04:14:46< Aethaeryn> then they're defenseless.
20100724 04:14:57< Aethaeryn> sure, they'll starve to death
20100724 04:15:00< Aethaeryn> and set off the bomb
20100724 04:15:05< Aethaeryn> but you can relocate them...
20100724 04:15:10< Espreon> ... and OrangeGlo?
20100724 04:15:17< Aethaeryn> that's why to be effective you need to drop dozens of them.
20100724 04:15:18< Aethaeryn> at once.
20100724 04:15:19< Espreon> ... and the Big City Slider Station?
20100724 04:15:21< Aethaeryn> Carpet bomb a city.
20100724 04:15:30< Gambit> OrangeGlo!
20100724 04:15:32< Aethaeryn> And by bomb, I mean drop containers to release fucking crocodiles.
20100724 04:15:33< Gambit> Aresol it!
20100724 04:15:37< Aethaeryn> Cities on rivers are most effective
20100724 04:15:37< Gambit> Spray it over the cities.
20100724 04:15:40< Gambit> Mission solved.
20100724 04:15:52< Aethaeryn> hrmmm
20100724 04:15:59< Gambit> My one coworker had this idea... he was weird
20100724 04:16:05< Gambit> He said everyone with aids should go live on an island
20100724 04:16:22< Gambit> You keep them there for the rest of their lives.
20100724 04:16:27< Gambit> Treat them nicely, but never let them off.
20100724 04:16:37< Gambit> Mandatory testing of everyone.
20100724 04:18:47< Aethaeryn> I like my idea better
20100724 04:19:10< Aethaeryn> of genetically modified gigantic, aggressive crocodiles with bombs in them that go off either remotely or if their heart stops beating.
20100724 04:19:22< Aethaeryn> And since my idea is for military use, I'm more likely to get funding.
20100724 04:19:51< Aethaeryn> Crocodiles. The ultimate answer to pirates.
20100724 04:25:33< Aethaeryn> hrmmm
20100724 04:25:53< Aethaeryn> I think that if I ever made a programming language, I'd call it Crocodile. Since they're more dangerous reptiles than Pythons.
20100724 04:26:26< Aethaeryn> And a large saltwater crocodile could probably kick a python's ass. Since pythons are only slightly longer at best, and they are much thinner, slower, less deadly.
20100724 04:27:02< Gambit> I want a server-side markup language for making web applications.
20100724 04:27:09< Gambit> I will name it after some sort of nuclear reaction.
20100724 04:27:10< Aethaeryn> eh, web language.
20100724 04:27:12< Gambit> Because that sounds cool.
20100724 04:27:22< Aethaeryn> Call it Harmless Kitten.
20100724 04:27:24< Gambit> *web langauge that can also interact with other applications
20100724 04:28:01< Gambit> Okay I need a shortcut to system monitor
20100724 04:28:02< Aethaeryn> Call it ActiveX? :-P
20100724 04:28:09< Gambit> ctrl-alt-delete should not open the shut down menu
20100724 04:28:18< Gambit> That's so Win98
20100724 04:28:49< Aethaeryn> oh, there's a system monitor app
20100724 04:28:55< Aethaeryn> why go through a gui when you can just do "top"?
20100724 04:29:17< Gambit> Aethaeryn: I need it fast
20100724 04:29:27< Gambit> And I know about the sysmon
20100724 04:29:39< Gambit> But when a program is begining to eat up copius amounts of memory
20100724 04:29:44< Gambit> I don't want to be navigating through menus
20100724 04:29:56< Aethaeryn> open a new terminal
20100724 04:29:58< Aethaeryn> and "top"
20100724 04:31:30< Gambit> terminal == navigate windows
20100724 04:31:40< Gambit> no I think reassigning ctrl alt delete is the winning idea here
20100724 04:32:50< Aethaeryn> uh
20100724 04:33:19< Aethaeryn> system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcut in GNOME
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20100724 04:57:16< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: GNOME?
20100724 04:57:25< shadowm_laptop> you are still using GNOME?
20100724 04:57:44< shadowm_laptop> if you were using KDE 4 you'd have CTRL+Escape
20100724 05:00:21< shadowm_laptop> http://shadowm.rewound.net/kde4sa.png
20100724 05:00:26< Gambit> but I'd have jittery windows
20100724 05:01:52< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=122814 — Kill it.
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20100724 05:19:10< shadowm_laptop> killed.
20100724 05:19:19< shadowm_laptop> next one.
20100724 05:22:37< Gambit> shadowm_laptop: http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=120039
20100724 05:22:57< PetePorty> Haha, very funny, Gambit.
20100724 05:24:48< shadowm_laptop> done
20100724 05:25:03< shadowm_laptop> wait...
20100724 05:25:06< PetePorty> =´(
20100724 05:25:28< shadowm_laptop> jk
20100724 05:25:51< PetePorty> I know man... I'm not *that* dumb.
20100724 05:25:58< Gambit> You have been selected to participate in the Vindictus Closed Beta!
20100724 05:26:00< Gambit> Closed Beta officially begins on August 10th.
20100724 05:26:01< Gambit> Please visit the Official Website at http://vinidictus.com on August 10th and log in with your Nexon Passport to download Vindictus and play!
20100724 05:26:04< Gambit> Sigh
20100724 05:26:10< Gambit> Maybe it runs on linux?
20100724 05:26:14< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: what the hell is that?
20100724 05:26:49< Gambit> shadowm_laptop: Betas love me
20100724 05:26:55< shadowm_laptop> shadowm@bluecore:~$ host vinidictus.com
20100724 05:27:00< shadowm_laptop> Host vinidictus.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
20100724 05:27:09< Gambit> nx=nexon
20100724 05:27:13< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: I think it's a trap.
20100724 05:27:19< Gambit> I hope not
20100724 05:27:21< Gambit> I
20100724 05:27:23< shadowm_laptop> no, idiot.
20100724 05:27:30< Gambit> I've already played two of their other games ;)
20100724 05:27:31< PetePorty> Gambit, go beta test your Minecraft and leave us people without $12 alone.
20100724 05:27:32< shadowm_laptop> NXDOMAIN == non existent domain
20100724 05:28:20< Gambit> maybe it'll run through wine
20100724 05:28:50< Gambit> I guess a few hours on windows won't hurt
20100724 05:29:16< Gambit> But seriously.
20100724 05:29:18< Gambit> Betas love me.
20100724 05:29:21< PetePorty> Gambit: You dissgust me.
20100724 05:29:38< Gambit> I probably would've gotten into Minecraft's MP beta if I'd have applied soon enough.
20100724 05:29:47< Gambit> But he said only people who were active on their IRC channel.
20100724 05:29:49< shadowm_laptop> PetePorty: could you do me a favor?
20100724 05:29:56< Gambit> And a new person showing up out of the blue wouldn't have worked.
20100724 05:30:01< PetePorty> sure, unless it's shut up.
20100724 05:30:13< Gambit> It's probably "spell better"
20100724 05:30:22< shadowm_laptop> PetePorty: replace "Shadowmaster's location" in your forum profile with your actual location.
20100724 05:30:24< PetePorty> Oh.... sorry...
20100724 05:30:29< PetePorty> Ok.
20100724 05:30:31< Gambit> Your spelling dißgußtß me.
20100724 05:30:42< Espreon> Ugh...
20100724 05:30:50< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: riveting tale, chap.
20100724 05:31:14 * Espreon really wants to kill Gambit with fire...
20100724 05:31:36< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: try Illum.
20100724 05:31:47< Espreon> Oh yeah!
20100724 05:32:03 * Espreon blasts the shit out of Gambit with Illum.
20100724 05:32:04< Gambit> Espreon: You missed the other day.
20100724 05:32:10< Gambit> I had my autoreplace on
20100724 05:32:18< Espreon> ... and?
20100724 05:32:18< Gambit> It waß awßome.
20100724 05:32:23< Espreon> ................
20100724 05:32:28< Espreon> fendrin: ^
20100724 05:32:36< Espreon> Observe... the horror...
20100724 05:32:36< Gambit> ßerioußly
20100724 05:33:03< Gambit> But shadowmaster said it was annoying I guess.
20100724 05:33:16< shadowm_laptop> Gambit: not just me.
20100724 05:33:23< shadowm_laptop> Zerovirus also said it was annoying.
20100724 05:33:28< Espreon> shadowm_laptop: You did read my awesome messages that I left in our sanctum, yes?
20100724 05:33:39< Gambit> shadowmaster and a bunch of people who just don't understand
20100724 05:34:01< shadowm_laptop> Espreon: no, because I have my SSH session currently detached and my laptop session couldn't join there for some reason.
20100724 05:34:16< shadowm_laptop> so I'll get to it later.
20100724 05:34:20< Espreon> Awwwww...
20100724 05:34:25< shadowm_laptop> it'd better be something good
20100724 05:34:52< Espreon> Well, I should have done it a long time ago...
20100724 05:34:59< Espreon> Yeah...
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20100724 05:36:22< shadowm_laptop> in other news, we need more forum moderators.
20100724 05:36:41< shadowm_laptop> but I can see no-one who fits the job.
20100724 05:37:03 * PetePorty is free.
20100724 05:37:09< Espreon> LOL, no.
20100724 05:37:15< PetePorty> :´(
20100724 05:37:17< shadowm_laptop> PetePorty: you are asking for a ban, right?
20100724 05:37:19< Espreon> Sorry...
20100724 05:37:27 * Espreon wishes that Valkier were here...
20100724 05:37:29< PetePorty> You hurt my feelings, Espreon.
20100724 05:38:01< shadowm_laptop> I mean, offering yourself for the job IS THE BEST WAY TO GET YOURSELF OUT OF THE CANDIDATES LIST.
20100724 05:38:37< PetePorty> I wasn't in the candidate list anyways.
20100724 05:38:49 * Espreon wishes that Zerovirus were here too...
20100724 05:38:51< shadowm_laptop> but you are banned forever from it
20100724 05:39:07< PetePorty> I hope someday I will though. Maybe in a couple of years.
20100724 05:39:20< PetePorty> Oh well, that's just sad.
20100724 05:39:23< Espreon> You shall not...
20100724 05:39:34< shadowm_laptop> that kind of statements reek of "LOL I WANT TO BE MOD SO I CAN KICK ASS LOL"
20100724 05:39:48< PetePorty> huh?
20100724 05:40:18< PetePorty> I just said that I would like to be one, I know I can't ATM, so I said I hope in a couple of years I'll get a chance...
20100724 05:40:41< shadowm_laptop> that doesn't change my opinion of you :)
20100724 05:42:02< shadowm_laptop> I mean, I don't care if a moderator is 10 years old, honestly, as long as he or she is mature, well-behaved, has a sense of responsibility, has a strong will, can handle controversial discussions in the most polite way possible, shows the ability to be able to keep a secret, has some experience with the community...
20100724 05:43:18< shadowm_laptop> oh, and has Common Sense™.
20100724 05:43:20< PetePorty> Cool.
20100724 05:43:56< shadowmaster> you fail...at everything listed above.
20100724 05:44:22< PetePorty> :(
20100724 05:45:08< PetePorty> I have a sense of responsibility....
20100724 05:45:16< PetePorty> And a strong will...
20100724 05:45:25< PetePorty> I keep secrets.
20100724 05:45:34< PetePorty> Also, what does that have to do with modding?
20100724 05:45:43< shadowmaster> moderators?
20100724 05:45:49< PetePorty> I also have experience with the comunitty...
20100724 05:45:53< PetePorty> yes.
20100724 05:45:59< Espreon> ... quite a lot, actually...
20100724 05:46:04< PetePorty> There are mod secrets?
20100724 05:46:34< shadowmaster> naturally.
20100724 05:46:52< PetePorty> Cool.
20100724 05:47:00< Espreon> Honestly, what did you expect?
20100724 05:47:07< shadowmaster> most of them aren't pretty, mind you.
20100724 05:47:22< Espreon> Indeed.
20100724 05:47:50< shadowmaster> you can quickly slide to the cynic end of the sliding scale of idealism versus cynicism if you get to learn too much about what goes on behind the scenes here.
20100724 05:48:05< shadowmaster> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100724 05:48:07< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism
20100724 05:48:16< PetePorty> ...
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20100724 05:48:34< shadowmaster> no, really.
20100724 05:48:44< Espreon> Why‽
20100724 05:49:33< PetePorty> ...I... I feel... Seriously? Mod secrets?... This is.... Hmmmm....
20100724 05:50:35< shadowmaster> there has also been some overlap in the past between moderation subjects and security issues within Wesnoth's engine.
20100724 05:51:02< shadowmaster> mainly since some people didn't know there was a way to file bug reports as private :|
20100724 06:02:21< shadowmaster> yays! http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=444955#p444955
20100724 06:10:32< Aethaeryn> damn it, I missed it
20100724 06:10:36< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=444862#p444862 <- what did he post?
20100724 06:10:49< Aethaeryn> assuming the "xxxxxx" was removed text
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20100724 06:13:44< Espreon> Aethaeryn: OK... more than two hours have passed... I think...
20100724 06:14:15< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: penis.
20100724 06:14:30< Espreon> What about penes?
20100724 06:14:33< Aethaeryn> moron
20100724 06:14:51< shadowmaster> I'd have banned him in sight if I was in TSI's place.
20100724 06:15:05< shadowmaster> but since I wasn't, I thought about seeing what he'll do next in the forums.
20100724 06:16:06< Espreon> Aethaeryn: Anyway, would you please get to mah map?
20100724 06:16:32< shadowmaster> I also figured he may be just attempting to get a reaction from us :)
20100724 06:16:39< Aethaeryn> There is only one part of the body one should rationally obsess about.
20100724 06:16:40< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray728.svg
20100724 06:17:25< Aethaeryn> hmm
20100724 06:17:26< Aethaeryn> I'm bored.
20100724 06:17:37< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: you know more about IRC than I do...
20100724 06:17:46< Aethaeryn> do you know of any channels on any networks that are religion-oriented?
20100724 06:17:51< Aethaeryn> I want to observe people troll each other.
20100724 06:19:02< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: no, I don't know of any of those since I'm not interested :P
20100724 06:19:25< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: irc.netsplit.de is a good web (HTTP) site for searching IRC channels though
20100724 06:20:03< shadowmaster> just be careful about voicing your opinions, lest you become a target of some 1337 haxx0r with DDoS powers.
20100724 06:20:06< shadowmaster> ;)
20100724 06:20:12 * Espreon wonders why Aethaeryn can't get amusement from looking at his new map
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20100724 06:26:39< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Oh, I didn't intend to say anything, I just wanted to be a passive observer of something more entertaining than television
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20100724 06:55:50< shadowmaster> PetePorty: basically, the link I gave you should be enough.
20100724 06:56:03< shadowmaster> Espreon: don't you þink?
20100724 06:56:10< PetePorty> ... dunno, saw the word 4-chan and stopped reading...
20100724 06:56:13< Espreon> Yeah...
20100724 06:56:16 * shadowmaster puts on glasses.
20100724 06:56:26< Espreon> "LONGCAT BE OF GREAT LENGTH!"
20100724 06:56:44< PetePorty> Revista ED | Estilo de vida y Decoración...
20100724 06:56:47< shadowmaster> these are A-Shuh-K glasses.
20100724 06:56:50< PetePorty> I guess that's not it.
20100724 06:57:00< shadowmaster> PetePorty: we are talking in English, so definitely no.
20100724 06:57:33< PetePorty> ok, I'll need something more than 'ED'
20100724 06:57:38< Espreon> Yeah, in this channel, shits about English, Englisc, and so forth are given.
20100724 06:57:39< shadowmaster> you don't need it.
20100724 06:57:43< PetePorty> why don't you just link me?
20100724 06:57:44< shadowmaster> so, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolcats
20100724 06:57:53< Espreon> ... shits about Arabic-flavored Neo-Latin... are not given.
20100724 06:57:59< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Lolcats
20100724 06:58:09< PetePorty> No... I want ED....
20100724 06:58:18< PetePorty> I'll just use redz to find it.
20100724 06:58:19< PetePorty> brb
20100724 06:58:24< shadowmaster> and finally, http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lolcats
20100724 06:58:28< Espreon> NO!
20100724 06:58:43< shadowmaster> Espreon: what, you want me to get sued by his parents?
20100724 06:59:01< Espreon> Who cares? It's not our fault that he's a naughty child.
20100724 06:59:02< PetePorty> wth?
20100724 06:59:09< PetePorty> it's porn?
20100724 06:59:17< Espreon> shadowmaster: Besides, you don't speak Spanish.
20100724 06:59:31< PetePorty> my 7 year old brother is in the room....
20100724 06:59:35< Espreon> PetePorty: Look at ED's Za Warudo article...
20100724 07:00:22< shadowmaster> PetePorty: let's say that you can easily stumble upon gross, unrelated pictures in ED articles.
20100724 07:00:34< shadowmaster> and  we don't want to break you, so... [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BreakTheCutie]
20100724 07:00:39< PetePorty> Like 4-chan.
20100724 07:00:42< Espreon> Such as the Offended article.
20100724 07:00:51< shadowmaster> Espreon: :P
20100724 07:00:56< Espreon> Stop talking about unclassy sites such as 4chan.
20100724 07:01:33< shadowmaster> PetePorty: and you just said you are with an underage kid there, so no.
20100724 07:01:54< PetePorty> wait a bit, I'm still looking for the thing
20100724 07:04:03< PetePorty> no estilo y decoracion, it's spanish, no encyclopedia dramatica, spanish again, no Ed the french group, french...TV show...twitter of some guy...
20100724 07:04:06< PetePorty> nothing...
20100724 07:04:22< PetePorty> ...damn...
20100724 07:04:32< Espreon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P05pYc2i5Kg
20100724 07:04:50< Espreon> PetePorty: What?
20100724 07:05:06< PetePorty> is it one of the once I just named?
20100724 07:05:10< PetePorty> is it?
20100724 07:05:12< Espreon> First of all, it's called "Encyclopædia Dramatica".
20100724 07:05:22< PetePorty> Thanks.
20100724 07:05:24< PetePorty> brb
20100724 07:06:12< PetePorty> ...O....M....PH....G....
20100724 07:06:22< shadowmaster> PhD God?
20100724 07:06:29< shadowmaster> Oh my PhD God? ;)
20100724 07:06:35< Espreon> Hwæt?
20100724 07:06:45< PetePorty> Oh my phucking Gawd.
20100724 07:07:00< PetePorty> Espreon visits such places?
20100724 07:07:10< PetePorty> I would have never thought that...
20100724 07:07:12< Espreon> Well, of couse I do.
20100724 07:07:16< Espreon> ... silly.
20100724 07:07:30< shadowmaster> It's actually useful to know what some people are up to.
20100724 07:08:00< PetePorty> ...hum... Well, shadowmaster might be, he's human after all, but Espreon? Really?
20100724 07:08:34< PetePorty> My poor virgin eyes.
20100724 07:08:43< Espreon> Welcome to the Internet.
20100724 07:08:44< PetePorty> I used to be so innocent.
20100724 07:09:29 * PetePorty shivers
20100724 07:09:55< PetePorty> fap-fap-fap-fap.... that thing get's repetitive...
20100724 07:10:01< Espreon> Well, hey, at least you went to a classy site.
20100724 07:10:06< PetePorty> Wait, I'll tell my bro to gtfo
20100724 07:10:21< Espreon> ... after all, it is represented by the classiest mascot ever, Æ-tan.
20100724 07:10:25 * shadowmaster watches PetePorty degenerate into pure, unadulterated crap.
20100724 07:10:27< PetePorty> back.
20100724 07:10:34< PetePorty> lol
20100724 07:11:02 * Espreon wonders if PetePorty knows about furries.
20100724 07:11:03< PetePorty> I actually just saw the main page... I was too lazy to do anything else...
20100724 07:11:14< Espreon> Dude, NoScript + AdblockPlus = awesomeness.
20100724 07:11:19< PetePorty> furries... those are... peluches?
20100724 07:11:31< PetePorty> right, shadowmaster ?
20100724 07:11:43< shadowmaster> PetePorty: it's worse than that.
20100724 07:11:50< PetePorty> I'll look it up
20100724 07:11:52< PetePorty> brb
20100724 07:12:17< PetePorty> ...ok...
20100724 07:12:18< Espreon> Read the ED article for the truth.
20100724 07:12:19< shadowmaster> bbiab
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20100724 07:12:45< PetePorty> Be Back In A ...Bread?
20100724 07:13:12< Espreon> shikadibot: bbiab ?
20100724 07:13:12<+shikadibot> BBIAB: be back in a bit
20100724 07:13:20< PetePorty> oh...
20100724 07:13:46< PetePorty> I think he's actually buying into the inocent thing...
20100724 07:14:29< PetePorty> ED is my third bookmark, after wesnoth forums and youtube...
20100724 07:14:40< PetePorty> before facebook...
20100724 07:15:24< Espreon> Cool.
20100724 07:15:27< PetePorty> huh... thought he left... he's just afk, he'll read this...
20100724 07:15:37< PetePorty> Espreon, help me move the screen up
20100724 07:15:42< PetePorty> So, how you've been?
20100724 07:15:45< PetePorty> I'm cool.
20100724 07:15:50< PetePorty> How's life?
20100724 07:15:51< Espreon> I'm fine...
20100724 07:15:56< PetePorty> How about your wife?
20100724 07:15:56< Espreon> It's been all right...
20100724 07:15:59< Espreon> Uh...
20100724 07:16:05< PetePorty> Tell me more about it
20100724 07:16:05< Espreon> I don't have one...
20100724 07:16:08< Espreon> No.
20100724 07:16:10< PetePorty> huh
20100724 07:16:13< PetePorty> Why not?
20100724 07:16:13< Espreon> Go read about furries.
20100724 07:16:33< PetePorty> I know what furries are man, there are 2 furries in my wesnoth campaign.
20100724 07:16:53< PetePorty> Hulavuta and Kate.
20100724 07:17:20< Espreon> Uh, well... Hulavuta is more of a scaly, but, OK,
20100724 07:17:22< Espreon> *.
20100724 07:17:51< PetePorty> He turns into a troll (a female troll) after the first scenario.
20100724 07:18:10< PetePorty> you appear in the 4th scenario.
20100724 07:18:17< Espreon> O...K...
20100724 07:18:43< PetePorty> You are a Necromancer.
20100724 07:18:50< PetePorty> later you turn into a lich.
20100724 07:19:14< PetePorty> I'll go to bed soon... vacations are almost over...
20100724 07:19:51< Espreon> ... and what campaign is this?
20100724 07:20:34< PetePorty> The one I'm making...
20100724 07:20:53< PetePorty> The one that will probably crash before it actually turns into something.
20100724 07:21:21< Espreon> O...K...
20100724 07:21:40< PetePorty> You are a bad guy, but finally you surrender to Pete.
20100724 07:22:01< Espreon> What's shadowmaster's role?
20100724 07:22:14< PetePorty> He's the final boss...
20100724 07:22:20< PetePorty> very scary...
20100724 07:23:04< PetePorty> Actually, he isn't in the story, 'The Master od Shadows' OTOH, is.
20100724 07:23:34< PetePorty> k, I'm going to bed now... fap well... I mean... sleep well... c ya
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20100724 07:25:59< Espreon> shadowmaster: He's doing it wrong!
20100724 07:26:45< Espreon> You, AI0867, and I need to be the final boss.
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20100724 07:30:50< shadowmaster> "bosses"?
20100724 07:31:08< shadowmaster> or you mean a three-headed boss who's made of us three?
20100724 07:31:21< shadowmaster> in other news, fail mirror is fail.
20100724 07:31:42< shadowmaster> these chilean Debian mirrors aren't up to date with Testing.
20100724 07:33:04< shadowmaster> I want my upgraded avahi daemon, cmake, resolvconf, kernel-package tools and the resurrected KOffice.
20100724 07:33:17< shadowmaster>   source package             version                      previous
20100724 07:33:18< shadowmaster> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
20100724 07:33:32< shadowmaster>   foomatic-db                20100630-1                   20090616-1
20100724 07:33:38< shadowmaster>  ^and that too
20100724 07:34:33< Espreon> Maybe...
20100724 07:34:39< Espreon> Oh, wow...
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20100724 07:38:50< Espreon> shadowmaster: ... and of course, he's going to inaccurately portray me.
20100724 07:52:08< shadowmaster> I wonder if people would kill me if I made our forum themes follow the wiki's page width scheme
20100724 07:52:25< shadowmaster> (body being aproximately 80% of the window's width)
20100724 07:52:55< shadowmaster> I'm starting to understand why crimson_penguin doesn't like non-fixed-size webpages on large screens.
20100724 07:53:27< shadowmaster> notably, Dorset and Kalari also use some "fixed width" scheme (it's actually also relative to the window width)
20100724 07:54:14< shadowmaster> In other news, my qtcurve config looks pretty.
20100724 07:54:25< timotei> why not use 100% width but static?
20100724 07:55:22< shadowmaster> 100% width tends to make long paragraphs unreadable on large screens because they become incredibly long single lines.
20100724 07:55:39< shadowmaster> or an aproximation thereof
20100724 07:56:58< shadowmaster> it can get very distracting.
20100724 07:57:06< timotei> oh
20100724 08:02:54< shadowmaster> http://shadowm.rewound.net/desktop.png yay qtcurve!
20100724 08:03:20< shadowmaster> too bad xulrunner-based apps such as Firefox don't play nice with some effects.
20100724 08:08:56< timotei> that looks nice:D
20100724 08:09:20< timotei> you don't like yakuake
20100724 08:09:21< timotei> ?
20100724 08:10:00< timotei> btw, does it work copy-paste corectly on your machine?
20100724 08:10:09< timotei> when I'm in KDE, copy something from kate, close kate
20100724 08:10:19< timotei> the copyed string is not available or something like that
20100724 08:16:09< shadowmaster> timotei: copy-paste works fine here
20100724 08:16:39< shadowmaster> I like yakuake and konsole, but both are very slow here when switching tabs, or scrolling text, especially if the windows are large :(
20100724 08:17:00< shadowmaster> so I've been using the gtk2-based terminator instead.
20100724 08:17:50< timotei> shadowmaster: yeah, sometimes is slow
20100724 08:18:00< timotei> yakuake on windows works better than on linux =))
20100724 08:18:07< timotei> shame that Konsole doesn't yet compile
20100724 08:18:12< timotei> (didn't even bothered to)
20100724 08:19:10< timotei> but I'm stuck in widnows till I fix wifi antena:(
20100724 08:19:29< timotei> need to test who's faster/better: quemu/vmware or virtulbox
20100724 08:22:53<+CIA-38> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * rd40b678f4370 /umil/ (35 files in 23 dirs): UMIL: add UMIL
20100724 08:37:31< Espreon> I have made a decision!
20100724 08:38:32< timotei> Espreon: what?
20100724 08:38:51< Espreon> I shall learn how to write blackletter so that I can create a badass signature!
20100724 08:39:14< Espreon> Signatures that use this shit are not badass: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Nealian
20100724 08:40:21< timotei> D'Nealian is our human writing
20100724 08:41:30< Espreon> No, it's bullshit writing.
20100724 08:41:39< Espreon> Right shadowmaster?
20100724 08:41:52 * shadowmaster shrugs
20100724 08:42:47< Espreon> Honestly, I cannot write anything in bullshit writing.
20100724 08:43:09< timotei> you don't WANT to
20100724 08:43:28< Espreon> Noöne in America wants to do so.
20100724 08:43:36< Espreon> We just need it for third grade.
20100724 08:44:17< timotei> whatever...:P
20100724 08:44:30< Espreon> You're just envious...
20100724 08:45:18<+CIA-38> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * r2248efd001ea / (4 files in 4 dirs): 
20100724 08:45:18<+CIA-38> Wesnoth-forums: Search Users' Posts in Viewtopic: apply mod version 1.0.3, modified
20100724 08:45:18<+CIA-38> Wesnoth-forums: [http://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/mod/search_users_posts_in_viewtopic]
20100724 08:45:18<+CIA-38> Wesnoth-forums:  * This patch only enables the functionality included in this little mod
20100724 08:45:18<+CIA-38> Wesnoth-forums:  when the user viewing the topic has MCP access.
20100724 08:45:19<+CIA-38> Wesnoth-forums:  * Applied patch for subsilver2, prosilver and acidtech templates.
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20100724 14:20:13< Gambit> Massive keyboard lag today...
20100724 14:20:32< Gambit> I wonder if my hub isn't going bad.
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20100724 16:03:41< un214> I just had the most obnoxious idea for a campaign
20100724 16:04:54< un214> write the first three or four scenarios of a plausable storyline then halfway through the last one have the sun go nova
20100724 16:05:56< Gambit> "The end"?
20100724 16:06:20< un214> yeah end it would be
20100724 16:06:25< Gambit> un214: Depending on when that campaign takes place; "which sun?"
20100724 16:06:46< un214> well since the second sun was a lifted mountain only the original can go nova
20100724 16:06:58< Gambit> I guess so.
20100724 16:10:07< un214> with what a nova would do, only underground liches and dwarves would stand a chance of survival, and I don't give much hope for the dwarves
20100724 16:14:06< loonycyborg> Probably a nova would just destroy the planet altogether..
20100724 16:19:20< un214> good point
20100724 16:19:33< timotei> why not destroy?
20100724 16:28:38< loonycyborg> Even if a nova won't, supernova definitely will :P
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20100724 16:38:50< Gambit> Is there a way to remove fog with WML?
20100724 16:38:59< Gambit> I only see tags for shroud...
20100724 16:41:56< Espreon> Use fog clearers.
20100724 16:42:13< Espreon> ... but that's only a temporary solution.
20100724 16:43:03< Gambit> Units are not an option here.
20100724 16:43:09< Gambit> I mainly just wanted the look of fog.
20100724 16:43:16< Gambit> So I guess... items ftw?
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20100724 16:44:29< Espreon> Meh, IDK...
20100724 16:44:43< Espreon> Hello Aethaeryn.
20100724 16:47:28< Aethaeryn> 'ello
20100724 16:50:38< Gambit> timotei: Around?
20100724 16:50:47< timotei> yes
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20100724 16:51:04< Gambit> timotei: http://www.mproud.com/prouductions/images/blueprint-icon.png
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20100724 16:51:09< Gambit> ^Ancestral's icon
20100724 16:51:31< timotei> hmm
20100724 16:53:00< timotei> interesting
20100724 16:53:18< Aethaeryn> Gambit: cool icon
20100724 16:53:27< Gambit> whoa wtf it plays sounds on hover
20100724 16:53:32< Gambit> not the icon; gnome
20100724 16:53:44< Gambit> or rather whatever the default file browser is for ubuntu
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20100724 16:56:16< Gambit> Aethaeryn: ancestral made it back when people were trying to come up with an icon for the development branches
20100724 16:57:26< Gambit> or possibly even sooner as it wasn't in that thread
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20100724 17:10:49< Aethaeryn> Gambit: that wouldn't be good for a development branch
20100724 17:10:55< Aethaeryn> :-P
20100724 17:11:01< Aethaeryn> too unlike the icon
20100724 17:11:57< Espreon> Oh joy, another Xulrunner/Firefox update.
20100724 17:15:31< Gambit> Wtf? If you play a long sound (like rumble.ogg) via a [sound] tag, wesnoth speeds it up
20100724 17:16:08< Gambit> lame
20100724 17:16:24< Gambit> Ah well.
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20100724 17:34:42< Espreon> Meh, I guess that it is time to move the development of the elementals to its own addon...
20100724 17:43:40< timotei> Espreon: what time is it ?
20100724 17:44:14< Espreon> Uh...
20100724 17:44:15< Gambit> 11:44 AM EST
20100724 17:44:21< Gambit> Adventure time!
20100724 17:44:24< Espreon> ................
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20100724 17:53:07 * Espreon loves "sed"
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20100724 18:14:38< timotei> 11AM now?
20100724 18:14:40< timotei> nice:P
20100724 18:15:35 * Espreon rolls his eyes
20100724 18:15:56< timotei> why?:D
20100724 18:16:16< Gambit> He's siezing.
20100724 18:16:47 * timotei searches on google for 'siezing'
20100724 18:16:48< Gambit> I before E haþ phailed me.
20100724 18:16:59< Gambit> seizing
20100724 18:17:13< timotei> oh
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20100724 18:17:42< Espreon> Gambit: I never got that crap and do not wish to understand it.
20100724 18:17:49< Gambit> Espreon: Beeþ þere a fuþorc symbol for "sh"?
20100724 18:17:50< Aethaeryn> :þ
20100724 18:18:16< timotei> Aethaeryn: GG ;)
20100724 18:18:20< timotei> nice one
20100724 18:18:24< Aethaeryn> Espreon: Yes, I can and I shall use your sacred characters in blasphemous ways
20100724 18:18:45< Gambit> Aethaeryn: He uses it like that too.
20100724 18:18:53< Gambit> *þat
20100724 18:18:54< Espreon> Gambit: No, it's just represented by sigel + cen.
20100724 18:19:03< Gambit> Espreon: Heh?
20100724 18:19:07< Aethaeryn> you guys should move to Iceland
20100724 18:19:13< Aethaeryn> where they still use such extra letters I think
20100724 18:19:24< timotei> Iceland or Ice Citadel?
20100724 18:19:25< timotei> :>
20100724 18:19:25< Aethaeryn> that's why they have þ, for Icelandic, not Old English
20100724 18:19:36< Gambit> Extra letters? But þ saves us a letter!
20100724 18:19:47< Aethaeryn> timotei: Everyone knows that Iceland is green and Greenland is ice.
20100724 18:19:55< Aethaeryn> It's the first case of real estate agents bullshitting.
20100724 18:19:55< timotei> ha??
20100724 18:20:02< Gambit> jeß jeß
20100724 18:20:03< Espreon> Gambit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaunan ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowilo_rune
20100724 18:20:05< Gambit> timotei: No. It's true.
20100724 18:20:25< timotei> Proof?
20100724 18:20:43< Espreon> Ask Polarina?
20100724 18:20:50< Gambit> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060705222922AAahuj9
20100724 18:20:57< Gambit> timotei: Green isn't named for green and lushness.
20100724 18:21:02< Gambit> It's named for a man named Green
20100724 18:21:21< Gambit> And Iceland just seemed cold to it's discoverers because þey were used to hotter places.
20100724 18:22:16< Aethaeryn> shhhh
20100724 18:22:20< Aethaeryn> I like my story better
20100724 18:22:35< Aethaeryn> "hey, there's this tiny island of good land... let's call it 'iceland' so we can live there."
20100724 18:22:52< Aethaeryn> "and there's this really, REALLY big island of mostly ice... let's call it 'greenland' so everyone will choose that over iceland"
20100724 18:22:59< Gambit> Haha
20100724 18:23:10< timotei> lol
20100724 18:23:12< timotei> phail
20100724 18:23:17< timotei> phfail
20100724 18:23:49< Aethaeryn> "Hey, I stopped at Iceland and it's a bit chilly, so I'm going over to Greenland instead... want better land..."
20100724 18:23:58< Aethaeryn> "Oh, hey, wait... damn it... looks like I'm stuck here."
20100724 18:24:54< Gambit> Espreon: is þere a capital þ?
20100724 18:25:13< Gambit> What if þ comes at þe begining of þe first word in a sentance?
20100724 18:25:17< Aethaeryn> there is
20100724 18:25:23< Aethaeryn> apparently, I accidentally used it earlier in a query with Espreon
20100724 18:25:24< Espreon> Gambit: Þ
20100724 18:25:32< Aethaeryn> 11:03:55 <Aethaeryn> Þe "Þ" is really going to be Þere in Þe game?
20100724 18:25:32< Aethaeryn> 11:04:20 <Espreon> Shhhhhh!
20100724 18:25:32< Aethaeryn> 11:05:09 <Aethaeryn> k
20100724 18:25:32< Aethaeryn> 11:05:09 <Espreon> Why are you capitalizing so much?
20100724 18:25:46<+CIA-38> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7472 /trunk/Elementals_Sandbox/ (50 files in 9 dirs): Checked in 'Elementals Sandbox'.
20100724 18:25:46< Espreon> In other news...
20100724 18:25:54< Aethaeryn> I confess, I used it for the The at the beginning then just copied and pasted
20100724 18:25:58< Espreon> Ƿynn for the ƿin.
20100724 18:26:08< Aethaeryn> Ƿ = harp
20100724 18:26:11< timotei> haha
20100724 18:26:20< timotei> I don't have composite on windows:((
20100724 18:26:22< Aethaeryn> What instrument do you play?"
20100724 18:26:27< Aethaeryn> "Ƿ" "k"
20100724 18:26:43< timotei> Aethaeryn: so... you're in charge with the wiki right?
20100724 18:26:43< Espreon> Tch...
20100724 18:26:54< Aethaeryn> timotei: In theory, I do wiki stuff.
20100724 18:27:07< Aethaeryn> In practice, I've been so busy all summer that I basically only go there when someone tells me something.
20100724 18:27:11< Aethaeryn> And no one has reported something lately.
20100724 18:27:20< timotei> well I report it now: it's OUTDATED!:D
20100724 18:27:29< Aethaeryn> :o
20100724 18:27:32< timotei> at least the building campaigns/scenarios
20100724 18:27:36< timotei> or some of them
20100724 18:27:37< Aethaeryn> Oh, I ignore ReferenceWML
20100724 18:27:51< Aethaeryn> I mostly focus on the things that are on my wiki page
20100724 18:27:55< timotei> ...
20100724 18:28:00< timotei> that's no referencewml
20100724 18:28:00< Aethaeryn> ReferenceWML is a mess
20100724 18:28:07< timotei> it's about building ... campaigns..
20100724 18:28:07< Gambit> That's a space station!
20100724 18:28:09< Aethaeryn> and if you try to clean it up
20100724 18:28:10< timotei> but whatever
20100724 18:28:11< timotei> :P
20100724 18:28:20< Gambit> *þ
20100724 18:28:21< Aethaeryn> timotei: Nono, I'm saying that I know ReferenceWML might be outdated
20100724 18:28:23< Aethaeryn> and messy
20100724 18:28:25< Aethaeryn> it's just beyond me
20100724 18:28:33< Aethaeryn> campaigns/scenarios... idk
20100724 18:28:36< Aethaeryn> Gambit is big on guides
20100724 18:28:37< timotei> well, I think referencewml should be generated from comments..
20100724 18:28:51< Gambit> HA
20100724 18:28:52< Gambit> ha
20100724 18:28:59< Aethaeryn> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/User:Aethaeryn#Maintained.2FWatched_Wiki_Pages
20100724 18:29:00< Espreon> timotei: That would be nice.
20100724 18:29:17< timotei> Espreon: that's the way it SHOULD be.... but yeahz
20100724 18:29:29< Aethaeryn> Anyway, that's what I focus on.
20100724 18:29:34< Aethaeryn> But they're probably also horribly out of date now.
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20100724 18:29:41< timotei> wow, I like your wiki page:D
20100724 18:29:51< Aethaeryn> yeah, I do wiki design.
20100724 18:29:52< Gambit> He is þe wikiwiiiiz
20100724 18:29:55< Aethaeryn> especially Media Wiki
20100724 18:30:02< Aethaeryn> I actually got a featured portal on Wikipedia a long time ago
20100724 18:30:17< timotei> :)
20100724 18:30:34< Espreon> Gambit: Be a good boy and use ƿynn.
20100724 18:31:01< Aethaeryn> timotei: I basically am very artistic in design, except when it requires ACTUAL art stuff.
20100724 18:31:18< Aethaeryn> So I can make maps, web designs, fancy OpenOffice documents (they're not Word documents), etc.
20100724 18:31:23< Aethaeryn> But I can't draw.
20100724 18:31:24< Aethaeryn> :-P
20100724 18:31:42< Aethaeryn> I can make things look aesthetic... except actual art. I can do sprites by brute force determination, that's about it
20100724 18:32:05< Gambit> Espreon: hwæt?
20100724 18:32:11<+CIA-38> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7473 /trunk/Elementals_Sandbox/utils/ (animation-utils.cfg sound-utils.cfg): ES: ran wmlindent.
20100724 18:32:17< Espreon> Gambit: Hƿæt?
20100724 18:32:21< Aethaeryn> timotei: anyway, most of the stuff I do is organizing, prettying, and cleaning up the wiki.
20100724 18:32:22< Gambit> Espreon: þat symbol does not compute
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20100724 18:32:32< Gambit> Espreon: No more double us?
20100724 18:32:33< Aethaeryn> As well as doing moderator things like banning IPs when someone reports something to me.
20100724 18:32:35< Gambit> *u's
20100724 18:32:40< Aethaeryn> timotei: content... I have to rely on others for most content.
20100724 18:32:44< Aethaeryn> I'm more of an editor than a writer.
20100724 18:32:50< timotei> nice :D
20100724 18:32:58< Gambit> Espreon: What beeþ þe compose key for þat?
20100724 18:33:04< Aethaeryn> And I avoid ReferenceWML altogether... that thing's a mess.
20100724 18:33:08< timotei> ...
20100724 18:33:12< Aethaeryn> But developers (UMC and mainline) use it too much.
20100724 18:33:18< Aethaeryn> So I can't unilaterally touch it.
20100724 18:33:21< Espreon> Gambit: Sadly, there is none, so... you'll have to make your own combination.
20100724 18:33:28< timotei> and how would you like to do the eclipse plugin without using it?:))
20100724 18:33:30< timotei> oh
20100724 18:33:34< timotei> *you* avoid it 
20100724 18:33:34< timotei> ok
20100724 18:33:45< Aethaeryn> I use it when I make stuff
20100724 18:33:48< Espreon> Gambit: Create a file called .XCompose in your home folder.
20100724 18:33:48< Gambit> Yeah we can't afford to have referenceWML down for any lengþ of time.
20100724 18:33:50< Aethaeryn> But I avoid editing it.
20100724 18:33:51< Espreon> ... and...
20100724 18:33:54< Aethaeryn> And since I use it when I make stuff...
20100724 18:33:58< Aethaeryn> I know it's not perfect, by far.
20100724 18:34:14< Gambit> I wish þat each tag would get it's own page.
20100724 18:34:21< Gambit> Or at least it's own link þat actually goes to it.
20100724 18:34:30< Gambit> *its
20100724 18:34:33< Aethaeryn> it's just too much of a mess.
20100724 18:34:41< timotei> Gambit: yeah
20100724 18:34:45< Aethaeryn> esr or shadowmaster basically need to clean it up.
20100724 18:34:46< timotei> Gambit: that would be nice
20100724 18:34:50< Aethaeryn> Or some other mainline person who has wiki capabilities too
20100724 18:34:51< timotei> why cleanup?
20100724 18:34:54< Espreon> Gambit: Then look for the file that contains the combinations, and "include path/to/it" (put that in .XCompose) and... just... look at the combinations and throw them in your .XCompose.
20100724 18:34:58< Espreon> Yeahz...
20100724 18:35:02< timotei> just make it be generated
20100724 18:35:02< Gambit> Aeþaeryn: I'm þinking rewrite.
20100724 18:35:05< timotei> from C++ code...
20100724 18:35:09< Gambit> Start a new section to be worked on
20100724 18:35:12< timotei> so it will be surely
20100724 18:35:12< Gambit> and when þe new section is done
20100724 18:35:16< Gambit> Bam. Switch over.
20100724 18:35:21< Aethaeryn> timotei: Outdated, confusing (especially within a few months of a new version bump if a tag changed), somewhat inaccurate, 
20100724 18:35:35< Aethaeryn> poorly organized...
20100724 18:35:38< Aethaeryn> etc.
20100724 18:36:16< Espreon> Gambit: Try looking in /usr/share/X11/locale/<whatever your locale is>/
20100724 18:36:27< Gambit> Espreon: But idc
20100724 18:36:34< Gambit> I just like þis one symbol.
20100724 18:36:35< Aethaeryn> timotei: honestly, someone could do a GSOC
20100724 18:36:36< Gambit> :þ
20100724 18:36:40< Aethaeryn> just on cleaning up WML and its documentation
20100724 18:36:52< timotei> Aethaeryn: I don't think so
20100724 18:36:57< timotei> that's ... 'hardcode' work
20100724 18:37:10< Espreon> Gambit: Well, þen, þou art a sham!
20100724 18:37:11< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Does WML and its documentation need improvement?
20100724 18:37:26< Gambit> Let me answer for him: YES!
20100724 18:37:28< Aethaeryn> timotei: remember, shadowmaster in his two really fancy, really lengthy campaigns, has probably used WML more than any other SP person
20100724 18:37:35< Gambit> He might not shout it so loudly on þe outside.
20100724 18:37:39< Gambit> But on þe inside he'd have a bullhorn.
20100724 18:37:46< Aethaeryn> The biggest MP WML hacker would probably be Bob the Mighty
20100724 18:38:02< Aethaeryn> but in MP there's more competition for messing with it the most, since there's big projects like Wesband and stuff
20100724 18:38:02< Gambit> I dunno. wesband is really fancy.
20100724 18:38:26< Aethaeryn> Gambit: beat you to it :-P
20100724 18:38:29< Aethaeryn> (unless there's bad lag)
20100724 18:38:36< Gambit> 110ms
20100724 18:38:38< Aethaeryn> anyway, Bob is ahead in quantity.
20100724 18:38:43< Aethaeryn> of projects
20100724 18:38:50< Aethaeryn> But one really huge project might technically require more WML messing-around
20100724 18:38:53< Aethaeryn> idk, though.
20100724 18:38:55< Gambit> I þink if you limit it to post 1.6 WML
20100724 18:38:56< Gambit> Wesband wins
20100724 18:38:57< Aethaeryn> but in SP...
20100724 18:39:05< Aethaeryn> in SP, shadowmaster is the undisputed king
20100724 18:39:10< Aethaeryn> IftU is *massive*
20100724 18:40:07< timotei> wesband?
20100724 18:40:18< Gambit> timotei: Think turn based diablo
20100724 18:40:24< Aethaeryn> timotei: basically nethack
20100724 18:40:25< timotei> ...
20100724 18:40:42< Aethaeryn> nethack, but multiplayer and with the Wesnoth engine.
20100724 18:40:47< Aethaeryn> Not as complicated as nethack *yet*
20100724 18:40:57< Aethaeryn> 3p
20100724 18:41:05< Aethaeryn> 1p-3p... it dynamically changes.
20100724 18:41:13< Aethaeryn> I played it with Ken Oh (the creator) as a 2p thing, though.
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20100724 18:47:13< Gambit> Many cookies for the person that added underlying_id
20100724 18:48:03< Gambit> (assuming [filter_wml] works on it)
20100724 18:48:20< Gambit> wait
20100724 18:48:26< timotei> umm, AI0867 around?
20100724 18:48:26< Gambit> I don't even need filter_wml
20100724 18:48:33< Gambit> it's top level... so just filter
20100724 18:51:52<+CIA-38> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7474 /trunk/Elementals_Sandbox/units/elementals/ (27 files): ES: renamed units according to the latest version of the plan.
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20100724 18:58:59< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: archers done :D
20100724 18:59:17< Gambit> So that just leaves gliders left to macrotize.
20100724 18:59:37< Gambit> And then later on; the checking for if the unit you just killed is the last of his team needs macrotized
20100724 18:59:49< Gambit> But that can wait for 1.2
20100724 18:59:53< elvish_sovereign> xD
20100724 19:00:55< Gambit> So yeah. New release tonight.
20100724 19:01:17< Gambit> oh wait
20100724 19:01:19< Gambit> random start team
20100724 19:01:22< Gambit> Want to do that
20100724 19:01:33< Gambit> Really want to do that.
20100724 19:06:48<+CIA-38> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7475 /trunk/Elementals_Sandbox/units/elementals/ (29 files): ES: added final strike to all elementals except for the Elemental Wisp.
20100724 19:11:32< Gambit> Oooh broken mainline macro!
20100724 19:11:38< Gambit> {AI_CANT_PLAY}
20100724 19:11:41< Gambit> 20100724 13:10:50 error display: could not open image 'images/wesnoth-icon.png'
20100724 19:12:12< Gambit> Who do I poke about that one?
20100724 19:12:48< zookeeper> ?
20100724 19:13:09< timotei21> that's old
20100724 19:13:09< Gambit> zookeeper: The image that {AI_CANT_PLAY} references for its message does not exist.
20100724 19:13:09 * zookeeper looks
20100724 19:13:21< Gambit> Wesnoth assumes "images" so "images/images" yeah you get it.
20100724 19:14:22 * zookeeper fixed
20100724 19:14:24< timotei21> I got a lot of: 20100724 20:13:22 error display: could not open image 'buttons/menu-button-disabled.png'
20100724 19:14:24< timotei21> 20100724 20:13:22 error gui/draw: Image: 'buttons/menu-button-disabled.png' not found and won't be drawn.
20100724 19:14:36< timotei21> zookeeper: ^
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20100724 19:16:49< zookeeper> timotei, no idea about that, maybe bug mordante about it, seems like a GUI issue.
20100724 19:17:45< Espreon> It's nothing to worry about.
20100724 19:17:51< Espreon> ... that's what mordante told me...
20100724 19:18:15< Gambit> errors are bad™
20100724 19:18:36< Gambit> Cluttering of error output with meaningless things is bad.
20100724 19:19:16< Gambit> zookeeper: Are we not supposed to use [end_turn] inside turn_refresh?
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20100724 19:19:30< Gambit> (afayk)
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20100724 19:19:34< Gambit> Because wesnoth keeps crashing.
20100724 19:20:10< timotei> ok...
20100724 19:20:17< timotei> me goes in sabayon to update
20100724 19:20:18< timotei> :D
20100724 19:20:21< zookeeper> Gambit, probably we aren't.
20100724 19:20:31< Gambit> crud
20100724 19:20:39< Gambit> I'm trying to make a way that randomly selects a player
20100724 19:20:46< Gambit> and the ends all the turns on turn 1 until it's that players turn.
20100724 19:21:00< Gambit> And that is the only way I can think of to do that that doesn't require player interaction.
20100724 19:21:08< Gambit> Requiring player interaction would allow cheating.
20100724 19:21:46< timotei> Espreon: you're still on sabayon?
20100724 19:21:52< Espreon> Hell yeah!
20100724 19:22:02< timotei> :D
20100724 19:22:08< timotei> I'm going to update sabayon
20100724 19:22:12< timotei> and try upgrading to radeon
20100724 19:22:15< timotei> instead of fgrlx:P
20100724 19:22:40< Espreon> Upgrade to a different driver? Interesting...
20100724 19:22:45< timotei> :)
20100724 19:22:58< timotei> well, I hope it will be upgrade, since I want a better 2d desktop..
20100724 19:23:02< Gambit> shocker; side turn crashes too
20100724 19:23:16< Espreon> timotei: OK, have fun.
20100724 19:24:05< Gambit> zookeeper: ending a turn during a select event wouldn't be synchronous?
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20100724 19:27:13< Gambit> time for WML workshop
20100724 19:28:21< Gambit> Actually no...
20100724 19:28:36< Gambit> it crashes the game so... nobody in workshop is going to be able to help me :\
20100724 19:29:18< Gambit> Well...
20100724 19:29:24< Gambit> They have to move before they can do anything.
20100724 19:29:45< Gambit> So I guess... undoing the move and ending turn would work
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20100724 20:05:52< Gambit> Bah [store_side] stores a value for "colour"
20100724 20:06:01< Gambit> which doesn't work well for [print] or unstore_unit's floating text
20100724 20:06:10< Gambit> because they use "red,green,blue"
20100724 20:06:43< Gambit> And "colour" (frenchy word?) is really just side_number
20100724 20:06:49< Gambit> err no it's not
20100724 20:07:00< Gambit> but it's a number corresponding to the default side color order
20100724 20:07:11< Gambit> I guess I have to [switch] through them...
20100724 20:09:21< Gambit> I guess this is the down side of the open source... "bazaar"(?)
20100724 20:09:31< Gambit> all the code potentially comes from many different people
20100724 20:09:33< Gambit> so there is no standard
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20100724 20:15:09< Gambit> Wow... and red,green,blue attribute in [print] won't even take hex?!
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20100724 20:18:15< Gambit> I guess the 15 minutes it will take to convert all these to numbers will be worth the ease-of-use for the end user...
20100724 20:19:07< Espreon> Gambit: Well, if you have a problem with this, now's the time to bitch about it.
20100724 20:20:40< Gambit> I thoughts that was what I was doing up above ^^^
20100724 20:21:01< Espreon> ... uh... except that you should be bitching about it in #wesnoth-dev
20100724 20:36:52< Gambit> and after all that...
20100724 20:37:01< Gambit> I appear to be unable to pass [print] a color in a variable...
20100724 20:39:03< Gambit> zookeeper: http://wesonoth.pastebin.com/9AyYahTQ <=== Anything wrong with that?
20100724 20:39:24< Gambit> Or rather, why does the game find something wrong with that.
20100724 20:39:46< Gambit> I've tried with and without quotes on the variable setting and substitution.
20100724 20:39:49< Gambit> All four combinations.
20100724 20:39:54< Gambit> It prints entirely the wrong color.
20100724 20:40:08< Gambit> It works fine if I feed it the color directly. But via a variable it fails.
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20100724 21:05:20< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: the documentation in the wiki tends to be either outdated, confusing or lacking at,
20100724 21:05:24< shadowmaster> tm
20100724 21:05:25< shadowmaster> *atm
20100724 21:11:06< zookeeper> Gambit, uh, yeah, that's not valid syntax
20100724 21:11:36< zookeeper> red,green,blue="$initiativecolor" gives red "$initiativecolor" and nothing to green and blue
20100724 21:12:00< Gambit> Even though initiative color is a string with commas in it?
20100724 21:12:04< zookeeper> well, it's valid, but doesn't do what you think...
20100724 21:12:09< Gambit> It works with message
20100724 21:12:14< zookeeper> i bet it doesn't
20100724 21:12:30< Gambit> Recoloration doesn't.
20100724 21:12:34< Gambit> But substituting it does.
20100724 21:12:38< zookeeper> comma-separated keys are split into separate lines at preprocessing/parsing time
20100724 21:13:33< PetePorty> shadowmaster, how would you feel with me translating IftU?
20100724 21:13:52< PetePorty> I have to choose something to translate....
20100724 21:14:41< shadowmaster> I don't care, honestly.
20100724 21:14:50< shadowmaster> I'm not keen on translations of user-made content.
20100724 21:15:30< Gambit> zookeeper: Well it does work for substituting in a message.
20100724 21:15:39< Gambit> {DEBUG_MSG "$initiativecolor"}
20100724 21:15:48< Gambit> But thanks. I'll just set 3 seperate variables.
20100724 21:15:54< Gambit> I never would have got that.
20100724 21:17:17< Gambit> or because I'm lazy I'll just try splitting initiativecolor
20100724 21:17:23< zookeeper> uh...what?
20100724 21:17:30< zookeeper> what does {DEBUG_MSG "$initiativecolor"} print?
20100724 21:18:06< shadowmaster> yahoo is really screwed up. :| This is the second time during the last two months I get subscribed by someone to some yahoogroups list with some spammy name and some spammy description. I guess they are just that prone to getting defeated by spambot registrations (including creation of email accounts, apparently)
20100724 21:18:13< Gambit> 48,203,192
20100724 21:18:28< Espreon> shadowmaster: I got one of those too.
20100724 21:18:48< shadowmaster> it's really tempting me to just ban *@yahoo.* addresses in the forums and tell newly registered people to search a provider that doesn't suck that much.
20100724 21:19:02< shadowmaster> since most of our spambots are coming from those addresses.
20100724 21:20:40< PetePorty> *cough*my-idea*cough*
20100724 21:20:57< shadowmaster> PetePorty: nah, I've been considering it for way longer than that.
20100724 21:21:04< PetePorty> Ahhh....
20100724 21:21:05< shadowmaster> same about disposable email addresses.
20100724 21:21:40< shadowmaster> if it weren't that kitty is using one of those ^_^
20100724 21:22:13< shadowmaster> okay, no, she isn't using one of those. She might have changed it since that PM.
20100724 21:22:24< PetePorty> Ummm.... How many translations should I be doing at the same time?
20100724 21:23:02< PetePorty> I'm planning to translate DW, since it isn't translated at all...
20100724 21:23:08< shadowmaster> as many as you can handle. Beware of work oerload. I couldn't handle more than one catalogue at the same time.
20100724 21:23:11< shadowmaster> *overload
20100724 21:23:38< PetePorty> Ok... so... I'll just translate this one, and after I'm done, I'll get another one...
20100724 21:23:39< shadowmaster> you can take your time since you aren't working under contract, nor is a stable release likely to happen until the end of this year.
20100724 21:23:54< PetePorty> To see how time-consuming it is....
20100724 21:24:09< zookeeper> Gambit, well what has that got to do with anything then?
20100724 21:24:14< zookeeper> that's how it obviously should work
20100724 21:24:39< zookeeper> red,green,blue="$initiativecolor" doesn't work for the reason i gave
20100724 21:25:22< zookeeper> Gambit, btw, was the wrong colour a shade of gray, or just red?
20100724 21:25:25< Gambit> I don't understand how it can put it literally in one and decide to split it in the other.
20100724 21:25:31< zookeeper> what
20100724 21:25:33< Gambit> zookeeper: It was a shade of red.
20100724 21:25:35< zookeeper> okay
20100724 21:26:04< zookeeper> when you write red,green,blue="$initiativecolor" you aren't giving the game a comma-separated list of values
20100724 21:26:17< Gambit> initiativecolor IS a comma seperated list
20100724 21:26:28< zookeeper> irrelevant
20100724 21:26:32< zookeeper> "$initiativecolor" is one value
20100724 21:26:59< zookeeper> just like it's one value in your debug message
20100724 21:28:04< zookeeper> so what happens is that the game stumbles across your red,green,blue="$initiativecolor" line, puts each of those three keys on a separate line, assigns the first value it finds ("$initiativecolor") to red= and then can't find any more values
20100724 21:28:11< PetePorty> This is so cool, I'm finally able to do something for this awesome game...
20100724 21:28:26< zookeeper> so what you end up with is red="$initiativecolor"
20100724 21:28:58< Gambit> oh
20100724 21:28:59< zookeeper> and maybe green="" and blue=""
20100724 21:29:03< Gambit> Well that's rediculous :
20100724 21:29:06< zookeeper> no it's not
20100724 21:29:16< zookeeper> as i said, that happens at preprocessing/parsing time
20100724 21:29:35< Gambit> so it's like x,y
20100724 21:29:41< zookeeper> not at the time when the game actually tries to do something with those keys
20100724 21:29:50< zookeeper> (at which point variable substitution might actually be happening)
20100724 21:29:52< Gambit> I was under the impression (for some reason) that there was an attribute named "red,green,blue"
20100724 21:29:58< zookeeper> right
20100724 21:30:10< Gambit> zookeeper: Thank you though. I understand it now.
20100724 21:30:15< Gambit> So then it's okay to seperate those right?
20100724 21:30:16< zookeeper> no, keys can't have commas, so that's just a shortcut just like x,y
20100724 21:30:18< zookeeper> yes
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20100724 22:41:41<+CIA-38> Wesnoth-forums: Icons and some code taken from the Rules Page mod, version 1.0.1
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20100724 22:50:47 * zookeeper thinks elementals are an inherently silly idea
20100724 22:51:32< Blueblaze> zookeeper: I made an RPG entirely about elements
20100724 22:51:43< Blueblaze> and I didn't even know what they were at the time
20100724 22:55:31< zookeeper> the only thing sillier than elementals is elemental planes :p
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20100724 23:39:37< PetePorty> shadowmaster, wanna play?
20100724 23:41:27< shadowmaster> once I finish updating the wiki's FAQ article, maybe
20100724 23:41:44< PetePorty> ok.
20100724 23:42:34< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster: quick forums change: why not, since they're both really small combine Game Development and Off-topic?
20100724 23:42:43< elvish_sovereign> No auto-pruning anymore, so
20100724 23:43:03< Gambit> because gamedevelopment has a topic
20100724 23:43:09< elvish_sovereign> true
20100724 23:43:10< Gambit> whereas off topic does inherently not
20100724 23:43:16< shadowmaster> it' get really messy
20100724 23:43:18< shadowmaster> *itd
20100724 23:43:21< shadowmaster> *it'd
20100724 23:43:27< elvish_sovereign> very true
20100724 23:43:30< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100724 23:43:41< elvish_sovereign> scratch it, just putting up an idea, that's all
20100724 23:43:49< elvish_sovereign> was just*
20100724 23:45:38< shadowmaster> what the HELL? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CampGen
20100724 23:45:42< shadowmaster> BLINKING TEXT ASFDGDFSDF
20100724 23:45:59< Espreon> Oh noez!
20100724 23:46:04< Gambit> I blame Unnheulu
20100724 23:46:23< Gambit> I see no blinking text.
20100724 23:46:26< Gambit> Is chrome just that good?
20100724 23:46:46< Gambit> shadowmaster: or are you just that fast?
20100724 23:47:10< elvish_sovereign> i ain't see it either
20100724 23:47:14< PetePorty> Gambit, the note
20100724 23:47:17< PetePorty> I see it...
20100724 23:47:22< PetePorty> Note blinks....
20100724 23:47:31< Gambit> Nope.
20100724 23:47:40< Gambit> I guess Chrome is intelligent enough to spare mine eyes.
20100724 23:47:44< elvish_sovereign> chrome just rocks
20100724 23:47:47< elvish_sovereign> agreed
20100724 23:52:31< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=444722#p444722 — Fuck no.
20100724 23:53:16< PetePorty> ...
20100724 23:53:18< Gambit> rofl
20100724 23:53:30< Espreon> There is no "liberty"... only "freedom".
20100724 23:53:30< PetePorty> how do you link to a post, rather than a thread?
20100724 23:54:10< Espreon> PetePorty: Next to "Posted", right-click the little paper icon and select "Copy Link Location"/whatever you have.
20100724 23:54:46< PetePorty> Thanks, Espreon 
20100724 23:55:04< Espreon> You are welcome.
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