--- Log opened Thu Jul 29 00:00:17 2010
20100729 00:11:56< shadowmaster> Gambit: okay, here then.
20100729 00:12:00< shadowmaster> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100729 00:12:04< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PrecisionFStrike
20100729 00:12:58< Gambit> Where?
20100729 00:13:03< Valkier> Tet? What?
20100729 00:13:25< Gambit> shadowmaster: Where do we have that trope?
20100729 00:13:35< Gambit> When you called 80% of WML a "steaming pile of shit" ?
20100729 00:14:05< shadowmaster> exactly
20100729 00:14:31< shadowmaster> Valkier: protip: if you don't know what I'm talking about and you aren't participating in the discussion, stay quiet.
20100729 00:14:34< Valkier> But that's just how shadowmaster views everything.
20100729 00:14:43< Valkier> See?
20100729 00:15:02< shadowmaster> pretty please? ^_^
20100729 00:15:17< shadowmaster> Gambit: besides, I said Wesnoth's code.
20100729 00:15:19< shadowmaster> I was referring to the C++ source code.
20100729 00:15:24< shadowmaster> not to WML.
20100729 00:15:32< Gambit> I know
20100729 00:15:34< shadowmaster> you
20100729 00:15:37< shadowmaster> DUCK!
20100729 00:15:38< Gambit> WML is more like 90%
20100729 00:15:45< Gambit> oops
20100729 00:15:48< Gambit> I said WML above
20100729 00:15:49< Gambit> wtf?
20100729 00:15:54< Gambit> shadowmaster: typo
20100729 00:16:25 * shikadibot 's boomerang hits Gambit
20100729 00:16:59< shadowmaster> Gambit: I didn't say "DUCK!" just because, you know. :3
20100729 00:18:52< Blarumyrran> Yes; in Chilean culture, being a duck is the ultimate disgrace.
20100729 00:19:18< Gambit> Goose
20100729 00:19:20< shadowmaster> huh?
20100729 00:19:28< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: explain.
20100729 00:19:39< Gambit> shadowmaster: noodle situation
20100729 00:19:42< Gambit> except noodle joke
20100729 00:19:54< shadowmaster> Gambit: you mean Noodle Incident?
20100729 00:20:05< Gambit> No. Only tvtropes calls it that.
20100729 00:20:14< shadowmaster> People, we have...a...okay.
20100729 00:20:22< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, a contrived explanation for why you called Gambit a duck
20100729 00:21:27< shadowmaster> well, you are kinda right
20100729 00:21:59< Gambit> Why does TVtropes have so many pages that link to themselves?
20100729 00:22:02< shadowmaster> "estar pato" = to be poor
20100729 00:22:16< shadowmaster> pato translates literally to duck
20100729 00:22:27< shadowmaster> it's also a commonly used nickname for those whose first name is Patricio.
20100729 00:23:00< Gambit> Pete told me of a common nickname for those whose first name is Ignacio.
20100729 00:23:12< shadowmaster> Gambit: Nacho, I know.
20100729 00:23:23< Gambit> Yes. And then it all made sense.
20100729 00:23:32< shadowmaster> however, I haven't heard anyone call me like that since school.
20100729 00:24:09< shadowmaster> I'm Ignacio for people in school, and I'd prefer people on IRC to not refer to me as neither since I had some trouble with my hilight patterns some time ago
20100729 00:24:41< shadowmaster> also, in the Wesnoth community I'm better known by my username.
20100729 00:25:01< shadowmaster> elsewhere it's fine to refer to me by my actual name, but in Wesnoth it just feels kinda out of place
20100729 00:25:27< shadowmaster> and I'd prefer the "Nacho" nickname to not be used by English-speaking people, or in places full of them.
20100729 00:25:30< Blarumyrran> In truth I didn't understand the real reason; I thought that it might be a reference to your last tvtropes link, and meant to show that by avoiding using the highly similar word FUCK, it's more of a "PrecisionFStrike" when you actually do get rude such as with that "80%" case
20100729 00:25:30< shadowmaster> please :)
20100729 00:26:20< shadowmaster> no, "DUCK!" was to subvert a running gag where I refer to Gambit like this:
20100729 00:26:28< shadowmaster> Gambit: blahblah you are wrong blah blah
20100729 00:26:36< Gambit> you
20100729 00:26:38< Gambit> FOOL!
20100729 00:26:38< shadowmaster> Gambit: blahblah explanation blahblah
20100729 00:26:43< Gambit> bait and switch
20100729 00:26:48< shadowmaster> Gambit: you
20100729 00:26:48< shadowmaster> FOOL!
20100729 00:26:54< Blarumyrran> Oh.
20100729 00:27:09< shadowmaster> the "blahblah you are wrong blahblah" and "blahblah explanation blahblah" lines are mandatory
20100729 00:27:28< Gambit> "Gambit: So you did it too early."
20100729 00:27:29< Gambit> "you"
20100729 00:27:31< Gambit> "FOOL!"
20100729 00:28:07< shadowmaster> it's also an overused running gag since he's not really a fool.
20100729 00:28:21< shadowmaster> he's just...Gambit. 8)
20100729 00:28:55< Gambit> People, we have... a TROPE!
20100729 00:28:55< Gambit> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OverlyLongGag
20100729 00:30:02< Gambit> Hmm there is no trope for one character constantly using a certain line, and then one episode another character uses it.
20100729 00:30:18< Gambit> And yet I can think of two examples in just the 5 seconds thinking I've put into this...
20100729 00:30:21< Blarumyrran> What do you have with that site. It's like wikipedia, except incoherent and not useful
20100729 00:30:41< shadowmaster> it's not incoherent (except for some border cases)
20100729 00:30:56< shadowmaster> and it's useful. if you are a content author, that is, which you are not. :(
20100729 00:31:09< Blarumyrran> What
20100729 00:31:11< Gambit> oh wait
20100729 00:31:16< Gambit> People, we have... a TROP!
20100729 00:31:17< Gambit> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitle8rzm6ovy?from=Main.HeyThatsMyLine
20100729 00:31:19< Blarumyrran> All my Wesnoth contributions are "content"
20100729 00:31:40< Blarumyrran> Oh, you meant UMC
20100729 00:31:43< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: campaign author then.
20100729 00:31:49-!- PetePorty [~Pete@pc-235-252-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev
20100729 00:31:52< shadowmaster> I meant it more in the literary sense in general
20100729 00:31:53< Gambit> Anything with dialogue
20100729 00:32:12< Gambit> (Even radio commercials)
20100729 00:32:27< shadowmaster> 1) Read TVTropes, learn what people have come to expect of media (regardless of whether they've read TVTropes or not).
20100729 00:32:28< Blarumyrran> Hm
20100729 00:32:47< shadowmaster> 2) Write your content and subvert as many tropes as possible in the most creative ways making sure to not overdo it.
20100729 00:32:48< Gambit> PetePorty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzGa5FheN2w
20100729 00:33:17< Blarumyrran> If zookeeper ever does that wesnoth campaign with a lich named Mal Nutrition, I'll be a content author
20100729 00:33:25< shadowmaster> 3) Avert clichéd tropes whenever it won't hurt the production quality or content, specially if you are heading for original style.
20100729 00:33:34< shadowmaster> 4) ?????????????
20100729 00:33:37< Gambit> Mal Nutrition ...?
20100729 00:33:48< PetePorty> ...
20100729 00:33:52< shadowmaster> 5) Profit ensues if you are selling your work.
20100729 00:34:00< Gambit> So necromancers have their own prefix now?
20100729 00:34:02< Gambit> Like Darth?
20100729 00:34:07< shadowmaster> Gambit: no
20100729 00:34:19< shadowmaster> read the relevant topic in Writers'
20100729 00:34:52< shadowmaster> I mean, it's Complicated™ and somewhat controversial.
20100729 00:34:54< Gambit> You know I never posted in that the one reason I orignally suggested that...
20100729 00:35:04< shadowmaster> particularly since turin once stated that Mal- was used for Mal Ravanal's followers only.
20100729 00:35:10< Gambit> I wanted help with GEB dialogue
20100729 00:35:21< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, I think that if you're centering over abusing or avoiding specific "tropes", you're doing it wrong
20100729 00:35:26< Gambit> Figured there'd be other people wanting to talk writing.
20100729 00:35:40< Blarumyrran> I think such content wouldn't have the right spirit to it
20100729 00:35:46< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: "making sure to not verdo it", "blahblah"
20100729 00:35:51< Gambit> (is there as "you're doing it wrong" trope?)
20100729 00:35:52< shadowmaster> you missed those points.
20100729 00:35:59< Gambit> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitle2rgn9vunopna?from=Main.ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney
20100729 00:36:16< shadowmaster> it doesn't make sense to avert the Pointy Eared People trope if you are telling a tale about elves, for example
20100729 00:36:55< Blarumyrran> Well. Yeah. But I think the mere fact that you know of these formalized "tropes", hurts your creativity subconciously
20100729 00:37:34< shadowmaster> it doesn't make sense to subvert a Power Walk unless you are writing a comedic work like The Simpsons or Get Smart
20100729 00:37:37< shadowmaster> etc.
20100729 00:38:01< shadowmaster> well, you'd say then that the fact that you know of this formalized English grammar hurts your creativity when writing poetry.
20100729 00:38:27< shadowmaster> English can probably be replaced by many other languages, including Spanish.
20100729 00:38:38< Blarumyrran> It might!
20100729 00:39:10< Blarumyrran> Except much less
20100729 00:39:22< Blarumyrran> Since tropes are about creativity, grammar is not so directly
20100729 00:39:35< shadowmaster> it varies from person to person.
20100729 00:40:05< shadowmaster> if formal definitions will hurt your creativity, then tvtropes irs not for you. If science will hurt your faith in the Christian God, then science is not for you.
20100729 00:40:54< shadowmaster> if sugar will cause you to have your glucose levels increased above the safety limits, then you suffer a certain type of diabetes and sugar is not for you ;)
20100729 00:41:45< shadowmaster> I don't advocate the use of Linux, or reading TV Tropes, even though I use both myself. However, here, the latter is a running gag.
20100729 00:42:22< Blarumyrran> k
20100729 00:43:21< shadowmaster> since it's quickly reaching Overused Running Gag levels, we may replace it with me posting a picture of me facepalming or something
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20100729 01:21:49< Gambit> Okay people
20100729 01:22:13< Gambit> differential diagnosis for a fresh, just-shipped-straight-from-the-school, desktop having 8 open connections to limewire.com at all times.
20100729 01:22:15< Gambit> Go.
20100729 01:22:57< Gambit> What if the school had spyware on the computer when they created thier locked down bullcrappy OS image file?
20100729 01:23:15< Gambit> Gambit: That's a good theory, and it would explain why those same connections are present on my laptop.
20100729 01:23:49< PetePorty> Lupus!
20100729 01:23:53< PetePorty> It's lupus.
20100729 01:24:14< PetePorty> ...right...?
20100729 01:24:16< Gambit> Gambit: But why are those connections sapping 20kbps of my transfer rate on the dekstop and not the laptop?
20100729 01:24:53< Gambit> Gambit: Because they're not what's causing the bandwidth drain on the desktop.
20100729 01:25:10< Gambit> I mean think about it. The school has had a whole year to improve their bullcrappy locked down OS image file.
20100729 01:25:16< Gambit> They've probably got spyware on it now.
20100729 01:25:42< Gambit> Gambit: Okay, but unless you can explain why said spyware does not show up on netstat then you're fired.
20100729 01:25:54< Gambit> shadowmaster: Save me :'(
20100729 01:26:05< shadowmaster> wut?
20100729 01:26:23< shadowmaster> limewire.com?
20100729 01:26:37< shadowmaster> your laptop might have come with some malware
20100729 01:26:52< Gambit> The new desktop too.
20100729 01:26:55< Gambit> Both from the school.
20100729 01:27:03< shadowmaster> infested router?
20100729 01:27:06< shadowmaster> just a random guess.
20100729 01:27:13< Gambit> Not my own personal desktop.
20100729 01:27:16< Gambit> Or my mother's laptop.
20100729 01:27:28< Gambit> I think it must be something in the setup the school puts on the,
20100729 01:27:45< Gambit> Interesting note; when I had a desktop from the school in middle school; it came with p0rn cookies on it!
20100729 01:27:59< shadowmaster> protip: never acccept computers from schools/college/universities.
20100729 01:28:01< Gambit> Even though they wipe them before sending them out.
20100729 01:28:05< shadowmaster> they are EVIL.
20100729 01:28:12< shadowmaster> EVIL, I say!
20100729 01:28:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: that's why I install linux on them :D
20100729 01:28:19< Gambit> (or... I do now)
20100729 01:28:29< Gambit> It's not in their agreement either :D
20100729 01:28:59< Gambit> But I've not had a chance to do so with this new desktop they sent my little brother yet.
20100729 01:29:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: But why does it leech bandwidth from one?
20100729 01:29:17< Gambit> And not the other?
20100729 01:29:25< shadowmaster> who knows.
20100729 01:29:28< Gambit> Crazy schust.
20100729 01:29:33< shadowmaster> I don't care about malware because I don't run random crap from the Internet.
20100729 01:29:50< shadowmaster> nor do I trust third parties to setup my software.
20100729 01:30:05< Gambit> I don't care about malware because I'm under the impression linux doesn't have that.
20100729 01:30:06< shadowmaster> nor do I trust third parties to buy equipment for me.
20100729 01:30:22< shadowmaster> nor do I trust third parties to watch me in the shower.
20100729 01:30:41< shadowmaster> nor do I- wait.
20100729 01:30:43< Gambit> PetePorty: also yes that *was* the reference :D
20100729 01:31:48< Gambit> Anyway now I have one more reason to put ubuntu on his new desktop.
20100729 01:32:14< Gambit> It's interesting that because our family has joined this school at different times; I've been able to watch their bullcrappy locked down OS image files grow.
20100729 01:32:27< Gambit> I'm on my sixth iteration of it and this is the worst yet.
20100729 01:32:35< Gambit> *windows update is locked*
20100729 01:32:37< Gambit> Yeah.
20100729 01:33:03< Gambit> The first version of it actually allowed me in add/remove programs
20100729 01:33:21< Gambit> by the second version that was gone
20100729 01:33:27< shadowmaster> wait.
20100729 01:33:29< shadowmaster> what?
20100729 01:33:34< Gambit> the third version didn't allow system pack updates
20100729 01:33:36< shadowmaster> why woul they lock WU?
20100729 01:33:41< shadowmaster> *would
20100729 01:33:48< Gambit> shadowmaster: They're messed up people.
20100729 01:33:57< shadowmaster> to deliberately expose you to security flaws in system software?
20100729 01:34:19< shadowmaster> and then people complain about  Microsoft trying to get people to enable it by default, hush.
20100729 01:34:24< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yes and then they have excuse for you to call their tech support who's first instinct is *always* to remote in.
20100729 01:34:31< Gambit> remote in or wipe clean
20100729 01:35:10< shadowmaster> PetePorty: 19:34:58 <shadowmaster> it is also possible that he'll change if I give him the title and group
20100729 01:35:19< PetePorty> huh?
20100729 01:35:25< PetePorty> what did I do now?
20100729 01:35:28< shadowmaster> I thought you left because I was sounding mean.
20100729 01:35:52< PetePorty> Oh, no, my client did something weird and opened the #wensoth on a different window
20100729 01:36:21< PetePorty> You don't soud mean, maybe a little scary sometimes... but not mean...
20100729 01:36:29< Gambit> Actually I can run any windows updates that don't require the internal use of .msi files
20100729 01:36:34< Gambit> Because .msi files are blocked
20100729 01:36:50< Gambit> also it seems to think that application data is a network drive...
20100729 01:36:51< Gambit> -_-
20100729 01:36:57< shadowmaster> I'm scary.
20100729 01:36:59< shadowmaster> wait.
20100729 01:37:02< shadowmaster> I'm scary?
20100729 01:37:03< Gambit> on the laptops the wireless card is somehow linked to the battery
20100729 01:37:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: what do you think? am I scary or not?
20100729 01:37:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: These people are messed up
20100729 01:37:17< Gambit> shadowmaster: Nah
20100729 01:37:31< PetePorty> Well, you have the general 'mod scary-ness'(?)
20100729 01:37:32< Gambit> You're like a big cuddely teddy bear.
20100729 01:37:46< PetePorty> lol
20100729 01:38:00< shadowmaster> reminds me of people who were scared of Turuk when he's in reality a very nice person.
20100729 01:38:35< PetePorty> I think you are nice...
20100729 01:38:53< PetePorty> but kicks hurt... 
20100729 01:39:03< Gambit> They hurt me where I live
20100729 01:39:13-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy]
20100729 01:40:25< Gambit> also on iteration 5
20100729 01:40:27< Gambit> and now 6
20100729 01:40:35< Gambit> the services tab is not visible on the task manager
20100729 01:40:43< Gambit> also I just checked processes
20100729 01:40:49< Gambit> POWERPNT.exe
20100729 01:40:54< Gambit> No that's not a spoofer.
20100729 01:41:04< Gambit> This thing is loaded with spyware right out the box.
20100729 01:42:43< shadowmaster> powerpnt.exe is suppose to be powerpaint
20100729 01:42:53< shadowmaster> unless something is faking it
20100729 01:43:29< shadowmaster> I remember hearing of such silliness like "isass.exe" instead of the proper subsystem image, "lsass.exe"
20100729 01:47:10< Gambit> yeah the caps matter in process names
20100729 01:47:16< Gambit> no regedit :\
20100729 01:47:29< Gambit> Also the bandwith sapping is up to 50kbps
20100729 01:47:35< Gambit> You can stream video through that :\
20100729 01:48:28< shadowmaster> the caps aren't guaranteed.
20100729 01:48:47< shadowmaster> however, more advanced process managers will show what's the image file's path
20100729 01:49:23< shadowmaster> for the Local Security and Authentication Subsystem image it should be %SystemRoot%\system32\lsass.exe IIRC.
20100729 01:49:30< shadowmaster> (replacing environment variables)
20100729 01:50:03< shadowmaster> or it might be the NT object hiearchy path instead, \SystemRoot\system32\lsass.exe, I'm not sure.
20100729 01:50:24< Gambit> As for "exposing you to malware"
20100729 01:50:31< Gambit> they don't allow antivirus software
20100729 01:50:40< Gambit> and the stuff that they put on is about 5 years out of date
20100729 01:50:42< shadowmaster> that'd be more likely since it's CreateProcessEx()'ed early during the Win32 subsystem's initialization
20100729 01:50:53< shadowmaster> Gambit: what. the. fuck.
20100729 01:51:00< shadowmaster> just throw that thing to the garbage.
20100729 01:51:00-!- e_s-iOS [~esios@pool-173-59-65-48.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-umc-dev
20100729 01:51:02< shadowmaster> and set it on fire.
20100729 01:51:32< Gambit> Yeah there's an 8 page agreement you must agree to every time you turn it on right before the windows login screen
20100729 01:51:38< Gambit> *before*
20100729 01:52:02< Gambit> and about a paragraph of that is that you may not use antivirus software
20100729 01:52:59< Gambit> I can't wait until 8 or so years from now when my brother gets to highschool and they send him a laptop
20100729 01:53:14< Gambit> It'll be interesting to visit and see how far their bullcrappy measures have come.
20100729 01:53:17< Blarumyrran> Gambit, maybe it has a camera too
20100729 01:53:25< Gambit> Also they expect 1gb of ram to last until highschool!!!
20100729 01:53:28< Blarumyrran> Of the sneaky kind
20100729 01:53:31< Gambit> 1gb memory is already obsolete!
20100729 01:53:46< Gambit> Blarumyrran: I checked.
20100729 01:54:07< Gambit> I would not put that past them.
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20100729 02:00:21< Gambit> PetePorty: So you're a translator now?
20100729 02:00:32< PetePorty> Yes
20100729 02:00:32< Gambit> *in training
20100729 02:01:02< Gambit> shadowmaster: lol at tweet
20100729 02:01:22< Gambit> It's especially funny that the computer (and wipe disk) came preloaded with porn cookies
20100729 02:01:30< Gambit> Back on iteration one
20100729 02:01:41< shadowmaster> Gambit: translators aren't trained in Wesnoth
20100729 02:01:53< shadowmaster> they do their work well or they are rejected.
20100729 02:02:02< Gambit> So whoever was in charge of setting up the restoration image file had been watching porn
20100729 02:02:19< Aethaeryn> and?
20100729 02:02:20< shadowmaster> in any acse I think I left enough tips for future translators such as PetePorty in the SpanishTranslation article
20100729 02:02:39< PetePorty> Oh, that was you?
20100729 02:02:42< PetePorty> cool...
20100729 02:02:44< shadowmaster> yes.
20100729 02:02:56< shadowmaster> that's the last thing I did before completing my resignation from the translation team
20100729 02:03:20< PetePorty> O.o
20100729 02:03:24< PetePorty> why did you leave?
20100729 02:03:26< Gambit> Aethaeryn: And they were too stupid to clear the entire cache.
20100729 02:03:30< shadowmaster> well, I actually resigned long before that, but I promised to Rodrigo that i'd add that to the wiki based on my experiences with my fellow translator
20100729 02:03:38< shadowmaster> PetePorty: translating Wesnoth is too tedious.
20100729 02:03:51< PetePorty> Hmmmm...
20100729 02:03:57< shadowmaster> PetePorty: more like, *maintaining* the translations is too tedious.
20100729 02:03:58< PetePorty> Oh well...
20100729 02:03:59< shadowmaster> I was the maintainer before.
20100729 02:04:03< Gambit> Maybe you'll follow in his footsteps PetePorty!
20100729 02:04:06< Gambit> PetePorty: learn C++!
20100729 02:04:09< Gambit> !!!
20100729 02:04:15< Gambit> Fix the rest of the image path functors!!!
20100729 02:04:19< PetePorty> Gambt: trying to, but it's hard...
20100729 02:04:21< shadowmaster> this is my wesnothian histroy:
20100729 02:04:28< shadowmaster> joined the community around the end of 2006
20100729 02:04:38< shadowmaster> volunteered for translating a UMC, Northern Rebirth, around the start of 2007.
20100729 02:04:50< shadowmaster> left the community due to important RL problems around the start of 2007.
20100729 02:05:29< shadowmaster> around May 2007, volunteered for translating mainline to Spanish under the supervision of the maintainer of those times
20100729 02:05:40< Blarumyrran> left the community due to disappointment in life, universe and everything after being in touch with NR*
20100729 02:05:49< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: shush.
20100729 02:05:54< PetePorty> ...
20100729 02:05:54< shadowmaster> I'm talking here
20100729 02:06:09 * Gambit snorts
20100729 02:06:17< shadowmaster> around August 2007, started working on a patch for a mainline feature in C++.
20100729 02:06:32< shadowmaster> around September 2007, became mainline developer. IftU was started around two months before that
20100729 02:06:59< shadowmaster> around October 2007, got commit access to the repository due to a major mess-up on part of Gna.org that delayed the registration of my SSH key.
20100729 02:07:34< shadowmaster> on March 2008, Wesnoth-UMC-Dev was founded by esr and me
20100729 02:07:54< shadowmaster> specifically, on March 14th.
20100729 02:08:35< shadowmaster> at some point in 2008 I found out that the Spanish translation was unmaintained because the former maintainer went MIA
20100729 02:08:38< shadowmaster> shikadibot: MIA
20100729 02:08:38 * shikadibot is offended
20100729 02:08:39< shadowmaster> shikadibot: MIA?
20100729 02:08:39<+shikadibot> MIA: missing in action
20100729 02:08:55< PetePorty> dinner time, bbl
20100729 02:09:36< shadowmaster> around the end of 2008, due to the upcoming stable release 1.8, and by Rhonda's suggestion, I took over the maintenance of the Spanish translation after finding out that the Spanish translation was again unmaintained after being handled by a quiete incompetent translator that also went MIA
20100729 02:10:05< e_s-iOS> You mean 1.6 ;)
20100729 02:10:08< shadowmaster> along with a new translator from Argentina, we achieved 100% status around the end of December.
20100729 02:10:11 * Gambit was going to say...
20100729 02:10:16< shadowmaster> e_s-iOS: oh, yes, 1.6 :S
20100729 02:10:39< shadowmaster> February 2009: I become forum administrator working as Turuk's backup and technician.
20100729 02:11:27< shadowmaster> March-May 2009: I resign from the Spanish translation as maintainer. The translation is then, therefore, abandoned.
20100729 02:12:08< shadowmaster> July 2009: due to a major breakdown, I spent a few weeks with no administrative or moderator powers in the forums due to my own resignation from the project
20100729 02:12:24< shadowmaster> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100729 02:12:24< Gambit> Ah. I wondered about that.
20100729 02:12:26< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TenMinuteRetirement
20100729 02:12:45< shadowmaster> trope aside, I don't really want to talk about what led me to do this. It's not pretty.
20100729 02:13:23< shadowmaster> around the end of July 2009, I ask Ivanovic to bestow me admin and mod powers (along with the Developers group membership) back
20100729 02:13:41< shadowmaster> success
20100729 02:13:58< shadowmaster> however, I come back only to see that some bad stuff happened during my retirement.
20100729 02:14:14< shadowmaster> the scope of which I cannot discuss here since it shouldn't be disclosed to users.
20100729 02:14:29< shadowmaster> bad stuff in the social area, anyway, not technical.
20100729 02:14:56< Blarumyrran> The horrors of which we will not be told have only just began to unroll
20100729 02:15:22< shadowmaster> between August 2009 and October 2009, I take over Turuk's unwritten position as forum admin-in-chief due to his absence
20100729 02:16:11< shadowmaster> during that tiem I also succesfully upgrade the forums to phpBB 3.0.5, something which I tried to do in February being extremely unexperienced in the matter (I screwed up badly then)
20100729 02:16:15< shadowmaster> *time
20100729 02:16:26< Valkier> Anyone happen to know what class Rakshaz is?
20100729 02:16:59< Valkier> Don't know if it is warlord or sovereign.
20100729 02:17:09< shadowmaster> Valkier: sovereign
20100729 02:17:16< Valkier> Cool. Thanks
20100729 02:18:04< shadowmaster> between August 2008 and December 2009 8can't remember exactly when), I'm approached by Rodrigo, the new Spanish translation maintainer for taking over my former position.
20100729 02:18:34< shadowmaster> I offer my services as non-maintainer and later fill the translation's wiki article with useful info
20100729 02:18:42< shadowmaster> I mean August 2009
20100729 02:19:14< shadowmaster> February 27th, 2010: reports of my death were greatly exaggerated.
20100729 02:19:31< shadowmaster> mainly by Aethaeryn who Failed Geography Forever.
20100729 02:20:04< Gambit> What now?
20100729 02:20:10< shadowmaster> June 2010: I get proper Internet access.
20100729 02:20:18< shadowmaster> and there was much rejoice.
20100729 02:20:20< Blarumyrran> now Y
20100729 02:20:32< e_s-iOS> shadowmaster: June/July 2010: http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30945&p=446176#p446176 i.e. became undisputed king of off-topic.
20100729 02:20:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: We actually threw a party, but your screen was detached.
20100729 02:20:35< shadowmaster> July 2010: I upgrade the forums to phpBB 3.0.7-PL1
20100729 02:21:26< shadowmaster> July 2010: I become the new Powers That Be™ of the forums and remove autopruning from the forums.
20100729 02:21:40< shadowmaster> July 28th, 2010: I'm writing his line.
20100729 02:21:47< Gambit> September 2010: I leave wesnoth forever in order to concentrate my full efforts on frogatto.
20100729 02:21:49< Gambit> :o
20100729 02:21:57< shadowmaster> Gambit: no, that won't happen.
20100729 02:22:07< Gambit> thank goodness
20100729 02:22:09< shadowmaster> it'd not be a good iea to leave the forums alone right now.
20100729 02:22:17< shadowmaster> mainly because Ivanovic's incompetence.
20100729 02:22:18< shadowmaster> :P
20100729 02:22:22< shadowmaster> *because of
20100729 02:22:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: What you said the other day was midly scary
20100729 02:22:49< shadowmaster> actual reason: none of the other admins care about the forums.
20100729 02:22:58< Gambit> About not wanting to put energy into forum maintanence when there was real development to be done.
20100729 02:23:07< Gambit> So that's frogatto only?
20100729 02:23:11< shadowmaster> I care because I owe much to the Battle for Wesnoth Project and its community, particularly the forums.
20100729 02:23:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: yes, Frogatto.
20100729 02:23:35< shadowmaster> besides, I hate SMF.
20100729 02:23:44< Gambit> It's okay
20100729 02:23:52< Gambit> shadowmaster: That converter you found, no plans to use it?
20100729 02:23:55< shadowmaster> I have finally figured out that my love-hate relationship with phpBB means that I truly love her.
20100729 02:23:58< shadowmaster> Gambit: no.
20100729 02:24:12< shadowmaster> I mean, I'm not in charge. Ben is.
20100729 02:24:19< shadowmaster> crimson_penguin.
20100729 02:24:27< Gambit> No plans to bother him to use it?
20100729 02:24:36< shadowmaster> I have bothered him already
20100729 02:24:54< shadowmaster> I have admin access and set up some initial settings when we opened the forums, but I'm not really going to do much with that.
20100729 02:25:27< shadowmaster> particularly because Ben knows more about using SMF than I'd care to learn for a community to which I don't owe anything.
20100729 02:25:34< shadowmaster> I love Wesnoth. :/
20100729 02:26:30< shadowmaster> Making levels and writing objects' code for Frogatto is fun and it's a good break from Wesnoth's tediousness, but after my afrementioned Ten Minute (more like two weeks) Retirement, I figured that I can't leave Wesnoth.
20100729 02:26:34< shadowmaster> not forever.
20100729 02:27:01< shadowmaster> and it's not because I have a name in the credits or have undisputed control over the forums nowadays, but because I love the community.
20100729 02:27:55< e_s-iOS> Aww...
20100729 02:27:59< Gambit> ♥
20100729 02:28:12< Gambit> Wesnoth's community is awesome.
20100729 02:28:20< Gambit> but the jerk ratio is increasing
20100729 02:28:37< Gambit> I have come to support the "no chit chat in the lobby" rule...
20100729 02:28:46< e_s-iOS> Yup
20100729 02:28:47< shadowmaster> having been in other forums, nowhere else I have seen something as unique as Wesnoth's community.
20100729 02:28:53< e_s-iOS> I experienced it yesterday
20100729 02:29:14< e_s-iOS> Oh dear.
20100729 02:29:15< shadowmaster> hence I am somewhat annoyed by the increase in stupidity that the iPhone/iPad port has apparently induced.
20100729 02:29:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: I think the biggest part of it is the ease of creation.
20100729 02:29:41< shadowmaster> people registering, demanding things because they paid for the game? ew.
20100729 02:29:49< Gambit> It's so easy to make something, anything for wesnoth and have it instantly seen in game.
20100729 02:29:55< Gambit> So the discussion is dominated by that.
20100729 02:30:22< Gambit> Trolls take 400% damage from creative attacks.
20100729 02:30:24< shadowmaster> besides, with Wesnoth, and FOR Wesnoth, I have learned things such as C++, PHP, Perl, (basic) SQL, basic website administration, phpBB forum administration and modding, HTML and CSS
20100729 02:30:55< e_s-iOS> Gambit: Im saving that :)
20100729 02:31:13< shadowmaster> I have also improved my English for Wesnoth, learned spriting and learned hw to administrate a project such as Wesnoth-UMC-Dev
20100729 02:31:37< shadowmaster> also some MySQL administration.
20100729 02:32:08< shadowmaster> I have also learned more networking and web development concepts with Wesnoth.
20100729 02:32:13< shadowmaster> so that's it.
20100729 02:32:29< e_s-iOS> Cool.
20100729 02:32:30< PetePorty> I want  to grow up to be like shadowmaster.
20100729 02:32:47< shadowmaster> nowhere I have had such awesome experiences like those I've had with Wesnoth's community and develoeprs.
20100729 02:33:08< shadowmaster> sure, we occasionally have our differences, etc. etc., but like wayfarer once said, "we are all like a big family"
20100729 02:33:35< Blarumyrran> :O :O :O
20100729 02:33:43< shadowmaster> and with this, I think I have finally driven this channel back to the Idealistic end of the ...
20100729 02:33:46< Blarumyrran> It's certainly easy to have differences with wayfarer
20100729 02:33:47< shadowmaster> People, we have...a TROPE!
20100729 02:33:49< shadowmaster> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism
20100729 02:33:53< e_s-iOS> On dear.
20100729 02:33:57< PetePorty> ...
20100729 02:34:01< PetePorty> ok, except that part.
20100729 02:34:03< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: nah, I mean more like stuff behind the scenes.
20100729 02:34:29< shadowmaster> all kinds of things happen without users noticing.
20100729 02:34:35< e_s-iOS> shadowmaster: Anyhow, you have a much more illustrious first year than mine :P
20100729 02:34:38< shadowmaster> that's in part good, because otherwise you' get the wrong impression
20100729 02:34:45< shadowmaster> *you'd
20100729 02:34:56< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: meh, this channel is just going to fall apart again.
20100729 02:34:56< shadowmaster> everything can be solved here.
20100729 02:35:07< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: no! :(
20100729 02:35:17< shadowmaster> I won't allow that to happen.
20100729 02:35:23< Blarumyrran> Wayfarer has problems on so many levels
20100729 02:35:26< shadowmaster> hence I banned linguistic talk, which is the main plague affecting #wesnoth*
20100729 02:35:54< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: I was quoting him because he once said that in some T thread. I don't have anything to do with him.
20100729 02:35:57< shadowmaster> OT
20100729 02:36:03< Blarumyrran> Okay
20100729 02:36:11< shadowmaster> :P
20100729 02:36:28< Gambit> shadowmaster: I think you mean #wesnoth-*
20100729 02:36:33< Gambit> we don't have those problems in xp!
20100729 02:36:36< shadowmaster> Gambit: nah, #wesnoth*
20100729 02:36:47< shadowmaster> otherwise #wesnoth would be excluded.
20100729 02:36:58< shadowmaster> when I actually want to include it
20100729 02:37:03< Gambit> shadowmaster: Your search includes a false positive
20100729 02:37:07< Aethaeryn> wait
20100729 02:37:11< Gambit> #wesnoth's plague is logic and video games
20100729 02:37:21< shadowmaster> hwæt?
20100729 02:37:21< Aethaeryn> #wesnoth-* includes #wesnoth I thought
20100729 02:37:22< Gambit> #wesnoth-music's problem is having no topic at all
20100729 02:37:30< Aethaeryn> depends on how you define the *
20100729 02:37:33< shadowmaster> Gambit: #wesnoth-music is an interesting case.
20100729 02:37:45< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: as in shell glob patterns
20100729 02:37:58< Gambit> shadowmaster: Blueblaze didn't want the channel subscribed to the one or two posts the music forum gets per month :\
20100729 02:38:07< shadowmaster> Gambit: basically, West started this channel for music talk...then he...disappeared.
20100729 02:38:10< shadowmaster> and delegated management to Blueblaze.
20100729 02:38:13< Gambit> So 5 seconds of off topic a month ;)
20100729 02:38:13< shadowmaster> who slowl
20100729 02:38:15< shadowmaster> *who slowly derailed the channel
20100729 02:38:17< Gambit> *on topic
20100729 02:38:50< Valkier> All right! Who wants naked orc?
20100729 02:38:55< Gambit> ...
20100729 02:38:58< shadowmaster> in my opinion, since #wesnoth-music is clearly abandoned by the people who would use it, and its founder (West), it should be closed or abandoned.
20100729 02:39:17< Valkier> shadowmaster: Not the unofficial mac fan club!
20100729 02:39:35< Gambit> ##mac
20100729 02:39:40< Blarumyrran> It's that?
20100729 02:39:54< shadowmaster> I'd ask Ivanovic to drop it and he'd surely do it, but I feel sad for poor Blueblaze who doesn't want to talk anywhere else.
20100729 02:40:08< shadowmaster> (nor can register ##blueblaze or something...)
20100729 02:40:40< Blarumyrran> He does talk elsewhere too
20100729 02:41:00< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: #wesnoth-artisticpeoplestuff ?
20100729 02:41:07< Aethaeryn> would cover music, art, and Mac
20100729 02:41:08< shadowmaster> one line in #wesnoth per month.
20100729 02:41:17< shadowmaster> hundreds of line in #wesnoth-music per day.
20100729 02:41:26< shadowmaster> sure, Blueblaze talks elsewhere :|
20100729 02:41:37< Aethaeryn> ancestral and Blueblaze drive #wesnoth-music
20100729 02:42:21< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: our artists, unfortunately, aren't on IRC, except for Jetrel and Zero virus, with the former preferring to stay apart from the Wesnoth IRC channels to avoid having his attention driven away from whatever he's doing at any particular moment.
20100729 02:42:27< shadowmaster> Zerovirus I mean.
20100729 02:42:32< shadowmaster> and Blarumyrran 
20100729 02:42:44< Valkier> Naked orc incoming!
20100729 02:42:44< Gambit> ha
20100729 02:42:47< Gambit> And Valkier?
20100729 02:42:53< e_s-iOS> xD
20100729 02:42:55< Gambit> shadowmaster: You just stepped in a rather large wad
20100729 02:42:56< Aethaeryn> oh shi-
20100729 02:43:00< shadowmaster> Gambit: I don't know that guy.
20100729 02:43:06< shadowmaster> Gambit: link?
20100729 02:43:28< shadowmaster> kitty occasionally joins IRC too, but only occasionally
20100729 02:43:30< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, he said once he can't read; he probably can't use irc
20100729 02:43:35< Gambit> shadowmaster: Wha?
20100729 02:43:48< shadowmaster> Blarumyrran: sad.
20100729 02:44:03< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: who?
20100729 02:44:10< Blarumyrran> Valkier
20100729 02:44:11< shadowmaster> oh, I forgot about thespaceinvader.
20100729 02:44:14< PetePorty> I have a hand.
20100729 02:44:24< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: oh, poor Valk :-(
20100729 02:44:26< PetePorty> and I have a pen.
20100729 02:44:30< shadowmaster> but TSI rarely talks about art on IRC ;)
20100729 02:44:31< PetePorty> Am I an artist?
20100729 02:44:35< Blarumyrran> You didn't think I meant kitty did you
20100729 02:44:39< Gambit> artisticdude?
20100729 02:44:45< PetePorty> What's wrong with Valk?
20100729 02:44:50< shadowmaster> Gambit: he's no art contrib
20100729 02:44:53< Aethaeryn> PetePorty: I have a computer, a compiler, and the Internet. Am I a hacker?
20100729 02:44:56< shadowmaster> AFAIK
20100729 02:45:05< PetePorty> Aethaeryn, no, duh
20100729 02:45:15< Blarumyrran> I hacked wood today
20100729 02:45:16< shadowmaster> Valkier: just kidding, of course you are included in my list. I was just messing with your head.
20100729 02:45:21< PetePorty> You are not a hacker untill other hackers call you a hacker.
20100729 02:45:22< Aethaeryn> PetePorty: The tools don't define the man.
20100729 02:45:44< PetePorty> the abbilitties do?
20100729 02:45:51< Gambit> nope
20100729 02:45:53< Blarumyrran> PetePorty, and so it goes recursively back to the Original Hacker
20100729 02:45:53< Gambit> not even that
20100729 02:45:56< Gambit> it's how you use it!
20100729 02:46:04< Valkier> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=43768&t=1
20100729 02:46:07< Valkier> Naked orc!
20100729 02:46:07< Blarumyrran> who didn't have to be called Hacker by another Hacker since there were none
20100729 02:46:24< PetePorty> Blarumyrran, he was called a hacker by a computer.
20100729 02:46:37< PetePorty> OMFG
20100729 02:46:45< PetePorty> Naked orcz!
20100729 02:46:45< Gambit> It's not the size that matters.
20100729 02:46:50< Gambit> It's where you get to put it.
20100729 02:46:53< PetePorty> lol?
20100729 02:47:01< Valkier> Bow to his nakedness!
20100729 02:47:04< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: obviously at that point, an intelligent designer intervened
20100729 02:47:04< Blarumyrran> Ugh
20100729 02:47:06< Valkier> He is all that is man!
20100729 02:47:13< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: and created him as a hacker.
20100729 02:47:16< Valkier> His 6 pack has a 6 pack!
20100729 02:47:17< Blarumyrran> Valkier, now I know nothing of anatomy but his arm muscles are weird
20100729 02:47:34< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, he may have been created with the big bang
20100729 02:47:44< Gambit> philotes!!!
20100729 02:47:44< Blarumyrran> Until computers were invented, he was just hiding under a rock
20100729 02:47:47< shadowmaster> his head looks strangely small to me. Might be just me.
20100729 02:47:48< Gambit> philotes
20100729 02:47:49< Valkier> Blarumyrran: Those are just the shapes of the muscle under the skin. You don't actually see them that clearly defined.
20100729 02:47:50< Gambit> philotes
20100729 02:47:51< Gambit> philotes
20100729 02:47:58< Aethaeryn> God is the original hacker anyway, the first cause, the prime mover.
20100729 02:48:26< Gambit> God was the first programmer
20100729 02:48:33< Gambit> http://xkcd.com/505/
20100729 02:48:43< PetePorty> God was the first God.
20100729 02:48:49< Gambit> PetePorty: wrong
20100729 02:48:52< Gambit> how did those rocks get there?
20100729 02:49:01< PetePorty> God put them there
20100729 02:49:03< PetePorty> duh
20100729 02:51:43< shadowmaster> in other news
20100729 02:51:46< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~/src/wesnoth$ uptime 20:51:13 up 6 days, 11:19, 14 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
20100729 02:52:00< shadowmaster> bah, irssi ate the line break
20100729 02:52:34< shadowmaster> not even experimental drivers can beat my uptime-preserving powers
20100729 02:53:14< Gambit> 6 days?
20100729 02:53:20< Gambit> weren't you at like 500?
20100729 02:54:12< Aethaeryn>  20:54:21 up  3:04,  4 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.06, 0.01
20100729 02:54:21< Valkier> So here's my dilemma with Rakshas: On the one hand, I could make some damn fine looking armor for him. On the other hand, he would look pretty badass if he was bare chested.
20100729 02:54:29< Valkier> But the later would not match the sprite in any way.
20100729 02:54:51< Aethaeryn> well, the sprite can always be adjusted to match a good portrait
20100729 02:54:54< Aethaeryn> which would *you* prefer?
20100729 02:55:08< Valkier> I seriously doubt the sprite would be adjusted any time soon.
20100729 02:55:20< Valkier> Not sure just yet. Both sound good to me.
20100729 02:55:38< Valkier> I guess it comes down to if I'd have to adhere to normal european armor like every other unit does.
20100729 02:55:44< Valkier> That would kill the design I have in mind.
20100729 02:57:13< Gambit> Okay so like 20 weeks ago Escapist Magazine got this new segment where strippers and porn stars play D&D
20100729 02:57:18< Gambit> I figured it would be dead by now
20100729 02:57:23< Gambit> But apparently it is here to stay.
20100729 02:57:50< e_s-iOS> Switching to computer
20100729 02:57:56< Aethaeryn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L640vc_XBjk 
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20100729 02:58:06< Aethaeryn> This is why I have no idea why Blueblaze wants to teach... in the South.
20100729 02:59:30< Blarumyrran> He was for mccain
20100729 02:59:36< Aethaeryn> if it seems acceptible to you, wait until the last sentence.
20100729 02:59:39< Blarumyrran> He never explained why
20100729 02:59:39< Aethaeryn> that ends the clip
20100729 02:59:59< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Because McCain is straight talkin' and Pallin represents the average red-blooded Amurican.
20100729 03:00:25< Blarumyrran> The average American didn't prefer McCain
20100729 03:00:40< Blarumyrran> & Palin
20100729 03:01:16< Aethaeryn> not like it matters
20100729 03:01:25< Aethaeryn> Democrats and Republicans just fuck up the country in different ways
20100729 03:02:19< Blarumyrran> You were the big apologist for social sciences, you go and stage a coup for a better political system
20100729 03:05:28< Aethaeryn> nah
20100729 03:05:41< Aethaeryn> the only place where epistemological certainty is possible is in mathematics and deductive logic
20100729 03:05:53< Aethaeryn> by the time you get to social sciences it's pretty much all speculation
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20100729 03:28:04< Gambit> so anway now that the conversation in #wesnoth has died for all intelligent purposes
20100729 03:28:10< Gambit> shadowmaster: Anything interesting in the works?
20100729 03:28:14< Aethaeryn> intelligent?
20100729 03:28:16< Aethaeryn> it ever was?
20100729 03:30:47< Gambit> Oh I see how it is.
20100729 03:31:02< Gambit> We stop talking for 5 minutes and you go do some work.
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20100729 03:57:34< Gambit> And jetrel claims "favorite quote by a wesnoth community member"
20100729 03:57:35< Gambit> Your assessment may differ, but let's stop here because we clearly disagree about this in a way that won't be resolved by argument.
20100729 03:57:40< Gambit> ^ that's the quote
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20100729 04:20:10< Valkier> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=43773&mode=view
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20100729 04:59:23< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster: Espreon: Can I apply for UMC Dev here?
20100729 05:00:01< Espreon> Uh, sure...
20100729 05:00:14< elvish_sovereign> I have a sourceforge account
20100729 05:00:26< elvish_sovereign> Do you want me to send you the campaign through a PM?
20100729 05:00:34< Espreon> elvish_sovereign: Yeah.
20100729 05:00:40< Espreon> Also, gimme the account name,
20100729 05:00:50< elvish_sovereign> sure: elvishsovereign
20100729 05:01:18< elvish_sovereign> also, do you want any info on the _server.pbl file?
20100729 05:01:22< elvish_sovereign> in the copy
20100729 05:01:41< Espreon> Eh, don't include that.
20100729 05:01:46< elvish_sovereign> okay.
20100729 05:01:48< elvish_sovereign> one sec
20100729 05:05:15< elvish_sovereign> sent.
20100729 05:06:01< elvish_sovereign> thanks again!
20100729 05:11:34< Espreon> elvish_sovereign: You're welcome.
20100729 05:11:40< elvish_sovereign> xD
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20100729 05:17:47< Espreon> elvish_sovereign: ... and of course you're developing for 1.8, right?
20100729 05:17:56< elvish_sovereign> Yup
20100729 05:18:02< elvish_sovereign> at least until 1.9 comes out
20100729 05:18:09< elvish_sovereign> which I think will be a while
20100729 05:18:12< Espreon> Heh...
20100729 05:18:27< elvish_sovereign> but anyhow I will keep a 1.8 version until 1.10, so
20100729 05:18:34< elvish_sovereign> at least I should :)
20100729 05:21:28< Espreon> elvish_sovereign: You don't mind if I run wmlindent on it, right?
20100729 05:21:40< elvish_sovereign> I ran it on most of the scenario files a while ago
20100729 05:21:43< elvish_sovereign> but sure
20100729 05:21:55< elvish_sovereign> especailly there's been some changes
20100729 05:21:59< elvish_sovereign> it might be still a mess
20100729 05:22:14< Espreon> OK.
20100729 05:22:22< elvish_sovereign> thanks :)
20100729 05:22:40< Espreon> No problem.
20100729 05:32:39<+CIA-38> wesnoth-umc-dev: espreon * r7505 /branches/1.8/Promised_Land/ (96 files in 20 dirs): Checked in 'Promised Land'.
20100729 05:32:50< elvish_sovereign> cool
20100729 05:32:52< elvish_sovereign> awesome!
20100729 05:32:55< Espreon> Have fun.
20100729 05:36:11< Espreon> elvish_sovereign: Remember, small commits... not large commits full of unrelated stuff...
20100729 05:36:24< elvish_sovereign> what do you mean?
20100729 05:36:35< elvish_sovereign> you mean scenario by scenario changes?
20100729 05:37:01< elvish_sovereign> s/changes/changes only/
20100729 05:37:48< Espreon> OK... things like "Changed unit id of X" is fine, but not "Added a new map, ran wesnoth-optipng, added a new race ..."
20100729 05:37:53< Espreon> *are fine
20100729 05:38:40< elvish_sovereign> so things one at a time, is that it?
20100729 05:39:16< Espreon> Pretty much.
20100729 05:39:45< elvish_sovereign> okay, cool.
20100729 05:39:47< elvish_sovereign> thanks!
20100729 05:42:17< Espreon> No problem.
20100729 05:42:52< shadowmaster> I'm fed up with these stitches
20100729 05:42:54< shadowmaster> I can't wait for tomorrow.
20100729 05:43:05< shadowmaster> almost makes me want to pull them myself.
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20100729 05:48:27< shadowmaster> I've been away for something like 3 hours. Did something interesting happen here?
20100729 05:49:01< shadowmaster> ah, I smell fresh flesh.
20100729 05:49:08< shadowmaster> hi elvish_sovereign 
20100729 05:49:16< elvish_sovereign> hi shadowmaster
20100729 05:49:52 * shadowmaster sniffs elvish_sovereign 
20100729 05:50:00< elvish_sovereign> hm?
20100729 05:50:08< elvish_sovereign> Did I do something wrong again?
20100729 05:50:14< shadowmaster> Mac OS X user?
20100729 05:50:20< elvish_sovereign> yeah...
20100729 05:50:22< shadowmaster> no, nothing wrong ;)
20100729 05:50:27< elvish_sovereign> well gmone too.
20100729 05:50:30< elvish_sovereign> gnome*
20100729 05:50:36< shadowmaster> GNOME on what?
20100729 05:50:42< elvish_sovereign> virtual
20100729 05:50:51< shadowmaster> I mean, I run GNOME on OpenSolaris and Debian here.
20100729 05:50:51< elvish_sovereign> i'm trying to figure out how to partition my drive
20100729 05:50:58< elvish_sovereign> ah.
20100729 05:51:01< elvish_sovereign> ubuntu
20100729 05:51:08< shadowmaster> both are fairly different operating systems, GNOME's just the desktop environment ;)
20100729 05:51:09< elvish_sovereign> like Gambit
20100729 05:51:12< shadowmaster> Ubuntu, good
20100729 05:51:13< elvish_sovereign> right
20100729 05:51:30< elvish_sovereign> I'm not that knowledgeable in that area
20100729 05:51:41< shadowmaster> SPAMBOT
20100729 05:51:44< elvish_sovereign> I don't really know Linux that well.
20100729 05:51:49< shadowmaster> People, we have a Spambot!
20100729 05:51:50< elvish_sovereign> :'(
20100729 05:51:58< shadowmaster> terminated
20100729 05:52:01< shadowmaster> mid-posting, even
20100729 05:52:21< elvish_sovereign> I must be a really smart bot, eh?
20100729 05:52:29< shadowmaster> the sad thing is that I figured it by just looking at its name
20100729 05:52:37< elvish_sovereign> hm?
20100729 05:52:40< shadowmaster> in the "newst registered user" area in the index
20100729 05:52:42< shadowmaster> newest
20100729 05:52:44< shadowmaster> juliakmartine
20100729 05:52:48< elvish_sovereign> ah.
20100729 05:52:52< elvish_sovereign> :oops:
20100729 05:52:54< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=122897
20100729 05:53:21< elvish_sovereign> oh dear.
20100729 05:53:33< shadowmaster> nice
20100729 05:53:35< shadowmaster> "Nice post Thank you very much for this post. It helps me in my Project fro how to debug WML.its ver simple you give in the post for debug the WML.its very good for WML beginner like me."
20100729 05:53:50< elvish_sovereign> wut
20100729 05:54:02< elvish_sovereign> (pulling a hulavuta)
20100729 05:54:17< shadowmaster> get a view of its post quickly, I'm deleting them one by one
20100729 05:54:20< shadowmaster> posts
20100729 05:54:24< shadowmaster> "I have Good knowledge of Flash so I can make any thing using Time line animation and also using the Action Script so can you send me Specification exact which kind animation you want I can make it for you within short time."
20100729 05:54:40< shadowmaster> in the New animations thread in Art contribs
20100729 05:55:08< shadowmaster> Re: Common Sense Compendium: Now with more General Advice
20100729 05:55:08< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100729 05:55:15< shadowmaster> "It's very Nice post.it help me very much. now I can understand the working of whole game and also how can I play best."
20100729 05:55:21< elvish_sovereign> hm.
20100729 05:55:29< elvish_sovereign> Meseems I need to go to sleep.
20100729 05:55:34< elvish_sovereign> see ya guys!
20100729 05:55:37< shadowmaster> I'd like to find out who wrote that spambot
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20100729 05:55:57< shadowmaster> the crime of not putting a whitespace between a stop and the next sentence SHALL NOT GO UNPUNISHED.
20100729 05:57:16< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: you should run each post through a syntax checker.
20100729 05:57:25< Aethaeryn> the posts will simply refuse to compile if there's an error such as that.
20100729 05:58:41< shadowmaster> since I'm too lazy to type it out myself, I'll just quote elvish_sovereign and pretend that's my answer for Aethaeryn 
20100729 05:58:45< shadowmaster> 23:53:50 <elvish_sovereign> wut
20100729 05:58:45< shadowmaster> 23:54:02 <elvish_sovereign> (pulling a hulavuta)
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20100729 07:04:21< Espreon> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=446003#p446003 — LOL.
20100729 07:06:23< Espreon> Sample story art from the campaign in question: http://imagebin.org/107230
20100729 07:08:32< shadowmaster> Espreon: WHAT.
20100729 07:08:39< shadowmaster> THAT ISN'T ART.
20100729 07:08:48< Espreon> No, it's art... just bad art.
20100729 07:08:51< shadowmaster> even xkcd looks better than that.
20100729 07:08:51< shadowmaster> (
20100729 07:08:56< shadowmaster> * :(
20100729 07:09:22< Espreon> Well, we/most people percieve it as bad.
20100729 07:09:28< Espreon> But who cares?
20100729 07:09:46< shadowmaster> in any case I'd rather make story art using stick figures rather than attempting my own Wesnoth-style art, though.
20100729 07:09:49< shadowmaster> wait
20100729 07:09:53< shadowmaster> no, I'd rather have no story art at all
20100729 07:09:57< shadowmaster> :P
20100729 07:10:05< shadowmaster> that's what I did with IftU after all
20100729 07:10:10< Espreon> The best visual art that I can do is abstract art. LOL.
20100729 07:10:48< shadowmaster> low budget calls for clean and cheap practices, but pushing one's skills too much is counterproductive
20100729 07:10:54< Espreon> I just throw a bunch of odd lines together and giving it a random name.
20100729 07:11:17< Espreon> ... that often first comes to mind when I see the finished piece.
20100729 07:12:00< Espreon> *give it a
20100729 07:12:51< Espreon> If I had a working scanner, I'd digitize my abstract art so that I could share it with Valkier, who'll likely LOL at it.
20100729 07:15:20< Espreon> shadowmaster: One of the names of one of my latest pieces: "The Emperor Piña Colada"
20100729 07:15:35< Espreon> Aren't I just insane?
20100729 07:15:44< shadowmaster> I've heard so much about Piña Colada and yet I still don't know what the hell it is
20100729 07:15:56< shadowmaster> too lazy to look it up
20100729 07:16:13< shadowmaster> Espreon: use a digital camera then
20100729 07:16:24< shadowmaster> I don't have one, but both the laptop's webcam and my cell phone's builtin camera do the job
20100729 07:16:39< shadowmaster> HEY, I'VE HAD THIS CELL PHONE FOR THREE YEARS AND IT STILL WORKS!
20100729 07:16:50< shadowmaster> take that, smartphone worshippers!
20100729 07:16:57< shadowmaster> :D
20100729 07:17:09< Espreon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi%C3%B1a_colada
20100729 07:17:46< shadowmaster> Espreon: thank you for encouraging me to be lazy <3
20100729 07:17:53< Espreon> No prob.
20100729 07:18:06< shadowmaster> hm.
20100729 07:18:08< shadowmaster> rum.
20100729 07:18:14< shadowmaster> no alcoholic beverages for me.
20100729 07:18:29< Espreon> Awwww, why not?
20100729 07:18:33< shadowmaster> my only attempt didn't get very far without my heart going bonkers.
20100729 07:18:59< shadowmaster> I might have an undiagnosed heart condition. It runs in the family from both sides.
20100729 07:19:08< shadowmaster> :P
20100729 07:19:13< Espreon> Oh wow...
20100729 07:19:36< shadowmaster> (except that my father ws addicted to alcoholic drinks until some time ago...until he fell comatose)
20100729 07:19:44< shadowmaster> (don't worry, he got better)
20100729 07:19:51< Espreon> What was your first alcoholic beverage?
20100729 07:20:00< shadowmaster> cognac.
20100729 07:20:11< shadowmaster> only a little taste ;(
20100729 07:20:22< Valkier> Straight whiskey! WOOOO!
20100729 07:20:32< shadowmaster> actually, some fool poured way too much of it on my ice cream dessert
20100729 07:20:35< Valkier> Mix it with vermouth and cherry juice and you got a manhattan!
20100729 07:22:04< Espreon> shadowmaster: How sad...
20100729 07:22:12< Espreon> I pity thee...
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20100729 07:29:35< Espreon> shadowmaster: If you wanna get into the fun stuff again, just looked for subbed anime and fan-translated manga (good fan translations can be awesome... and include awesome stuff such as translation notes).
20100729 07:29:48< shadowmaster> hi.
20100729 07:30:02< shadowmaster> illegal stuff.
20100729 07:30:03< shadowmaster> :P
20100729 07:30:42< shadowmaster> in all seriousness, I know what's the first thing I'll buy when I get the oportunity.
20100729 07:30:42< Espreon> You're no fun.
20100729 07:30:52< Espreon> Anything that's localized is crap.
20100729 07:31:10< Espreon> I need notes and shit.
20100729 07:31:14< shadowmaster> Espreon: er, I like subbed stuff.
20100729 07:31:35< Espreon> Good boy.
20100729 07:31:40< shadowmaster> official subs, though.
20100729 07:31:58< Espreon> At least you like subs...
20100729 07:32:30< shadowmaster> now I can't understand all the "sub vs. dub" talk going on everywhere. I just like to watch *everything* subbed so I can hear the actors talking in their original language, conveying their characters' emotions in the original film, etc.
20100729 07:32:43< shadowmaster> also applies to movies I watch in the cinemas.
20100729 07:32:46< Espreon> LOL, 4kids, LOL.
20100729 07:33:05 * Espreon wonders if Aethaeryn and shadowmaster got my reference in #wesnoth-dev
20100729 07:33:08< shadowmaster> yeah, I've read about 4k in tvtropes.
20100729 07:33:13< Espreon> Good.
20100729 07:33:19< Espreon> ... so you know that they're racist?
20100729 07:33:41< shadowmaster> no. But I know that they like to "cut and paste" imported shows and do pretty bad dubs
20100729 07:34:13< shadowmaster> and no, I didn't get the "seven American proxies" thing
20100729 07:34:31< shadowmaster> (umm, the racist things sounds familiar though, I may have skimmed something like that)
20100729 07:34:51< Espreon> shadowmaster: I was referencing the "seven proxies" meme.
20100729 07:34:54< Espreon> Also...
20100729 07:35:04< Espreon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/OnePieceedit.jpg — Typical 4Kids edit.
20100729 07:35:34< shadowmaster> ..what?
20100729 07:35:42< shadowmaster> unbelivable
20100729 07:35:46< Espreon> I know, huh?
20100729 07:35:50< shadowmaster> unbelievable.
20100729 07:36:32< Espreon> Also, in their One Piece dub, the navy/marines/whatever wield water guns instead of.... real guns...
20100729 07:36:34< shadowmaster> I wonder what they'd have done with Mr. IDon'tKnowHowHisNameIsSpelt from Dragon Ball since he's pitch-black..black.
20100729 07:37:29< Espreon> Mr. Popo?
20100729 07:37:50< shadowmaster> that
20100729 07:38:04< shadowmaster> I was never sure if it was Popo or Bobo.
20100729 07:38:19< shadowmaster> note that Popó is toddler-talk for...crap, here, in Chile.
20100729 07:38:35< shadowmaster> also note the acute accent
20100729 07:39:16< shadowmaster> also, Pipí is for pee...sounds like pee-pee actually.
20100729 07:39:34< shadowmaster> I'm telling you this just because.
20100729 07:40:50 * shadowmaster requests a Power-Good signal from Espreon
20100729 07:41:37< Espreon> Uh... wut?
20100729 07:42:06< shadowmaster> some power supply units send a PG signal to tell the mobo that the power source is stable and working
20100729 07:42:28< shadowmaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Good_Signal
20100729 07:42:59< Espreon> Eh, sure, why not?
20100729 07:43:10<+shikadibot> THE MOAR YOU KNOW
20100729 07:43:35< shadowmaster> k
20100729 07:45:24< shadowmaster> note to self: if I ever get a new desktop, I need to buy a UPS
20100729 07:46:17< shadowmaster> the most convenient thing about laptops is that most of the time I don't need to worry about power outages
20100729 07:46:38< shadowmaster> i.e. after the earthquake
20100729 07:47:46< shadowmaster> on a side note, I rushed to get the laptop to safety in a certain place that's likely to resist the house falling down on it. That also meant that I lost 10 seconds that I could have used for getting out of the place.
20100729 07:48:11< shadowmaster> I guess I'm just crazy. :|
20100729 07:48:25< Espreon> Death... life without Internet... what's the difference?
20100729 07:48:30< Espreon> LOL.
20100729 07:48:51< shadowmaster> bah, here I'm more likely to survive amidst the rubble
20100729 07:49:09< Valkier> Well life without the internet means less stupid around you.
20100729 07:49:12< shadowmaster> if only with some broken bones
20100729 07:49:27< Valkier> Whereas death most likely sends you to a place populated by the stupid people. :-P
20100729 07:50:32< shadowmaster> Valkier: We are doing some ground-breaking work here, striving for a paradise populated by the smartest and most reasonable netizens all around the world.
20100729 07:50:40< shadowmaster> It's called the Battle for Wesnoth community.
20100729 07:50:46< shadowmaster> hence, banhammer.
20100729 07:51:24< shadowmaster> Valkier: I should've banned you long ago,  btw. Just continue making art and nothing bad will happen to you.
20100729 07:51:27< shadowmaster> ;)
20100729 07:52:08< Valkier> Well, there usually is a corrupt dictator in every communist society. Why not here? ;-)
20100729 07:52:24< shadowmaster> There's no dictatorship here.
20100729 07:53:08< shadowmaster> The Wesnoth Community forums are ruled by The Powers That Be™, including me, me, me and me.
20100729 07:53:35< shadowmaster> We are all perfectly understanding people.
20100729 07:54:20< shadowmaster> There used to be Turuk, but now we haz no Turuk. :(
20100729 07:54:25< shadowmaster> We need moar Turuk.
20100729 07:54:32< shadowmaster> Espreon: am I right, or am I right?
20100729 07:55:08< Valkier> I was friends with Turuk.
20100729 07:55:12< Valkier> I will rule in his stead.
20100729 07:55:19< shadowmaster> no u.
20100729 07:55:27< Valkier> Your mother.
20100729 07:55:34< shadowmaster> your face.
20100729 07:55:43< Valkier> Is gone!
20100729 07:55:45< Valkier> Oh snap!
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20100729 08:17:08<+CIA-38> Wesnoth-forums: shadowm phpBB-3.0.7 * r3368b2a319e8 /styles/prosilver/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20100729 08:17:08<+CIA-38> Wesnoth-forums: Prosilver: move profiles to the left in PM and viewtopic views
20100729 08:17:08<+CIA-38> Wesnoth-forums: [http://www.phpbb.com/kb/article/prosilver-profiles-on-left/]
20100729 08:31:54< shadowmaster> next step: making prosilver's main panel width similar to glamdrol's.
20100729 08:32:21< shadowmaster> after that, replacing topic/forum icons to be easier to tell apart unread and read stuff
20100729 08:32:30< shadowmaster> finally, adding legends.
20100729 08:34:03< shadowmaster> then I'll nuke subsilver2 and wesnoth and switch everyone to prosilver.
20100729 08:34:11< shadowmaster> nah, jk on the last one.
20100729 08:34:51< Espreon> OKz, byez...
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20100729 11:54:16< timotei> shadowmaster: thanks for your post:D
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20100729 16:44:06< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I read part of your blog. You are really, *really* good at English compared to many countless native speakers. I forgot your native language was Spanish until I got to "and learned more of various things outside Wesnoth, including the English language" in http://shadowm.rewound.net/blog/archives/81-Wesnoth-Project-Y.html
20100729 16:44:41< Blarumyrran> It's not really an option if you're into computers a lot
20100729 16:45:10< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: I mean, it's obvious that you're from Chile since you say it all the time, but your English is really good, good enough to fool people (in text at least).
20100729 16:45:22< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Then I weep for my generation of Americans.
20100729 16:45:32< Aethaeryn> Since they'll obviously be unable to do computer stuff. :'(
20100729 16:46:13< Aethaeryn> I don't think you understand how bad the art of writing is in America. You learn more about English grammatical concepts when you take *another* language in school.
20100729 16:46:22< Aethaeryn> If I didn't take Latin, I'd be hopelessly lost on some grammatical issues.
20100729 16:46:47< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Now, that's a sad state of education, where they have to teach you about your own language before you can learn another.
20100729 16:47:48< Blarumyrran> What?
20100729 16:48:09< Blarumyrran> In about any country, I'm sure, there are lots of lessons on the grammar of your own language
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20100729 16:49:29< Blarumyrran> For one thing, it standardizes the language across the country
20100729 16:49:32< Aethaeryn> Yes, I know.
20100729 16:49:44< Aethaeryn> My point is that we don't *learn* grammar past the basics.
20100729 16:50:10< Aethaeryn> You only learn fancy grammar stuff in school by getting to that point in another language.
20100729 16:50:46< Aethaeryn> So, if someone either didn't take a foreign language or didn't really pay attention at all, it's possible that someone who speaks English fluently but non-natively has a far greater command of the English language.
20100729 16:50:52< Aethaeryn> At least, in written form where accents are irrelevant.
20100729 16:51:24< timotei> Aethaeryn: What are those 'grammar basics'?:P
20100729 16:51:40< Aethaeryn> Stuff we unlearn because of text messages and AIM and acronyms like brb.
20100729 16:51:43< Blarumyrran> One of the most important formal "rules" are those of declension which doesn't exist in English (other than special words like my/me/your/etc)
20100729 16:52:09< Blarumyrran> s/One/Some
20100729 16:52:18< Aethaeryn> timotei: It's also funny how I make sure to capitalise the beginning of every sentence, even in chat, as soon as I'm talking about something English-related.
20100729 16:52:21< Aethaeryn> Oh shit.
20100729 16:52:23< Aethaeryn> We've just gone off-topic.
20100729 16:52:48< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Well, verb tenses are also important.
20100729 16:53:02< timotei> Aethaeryn: I try hard to try capitalizing the first letter of the sentence
20100729 16:53:23< timotei> But I can't do that so natural like I want, I have to focus :(
20100729 16:53:34< Aethaeryn> Capitalization is no problem.
20100729 16:53:39< Aethaeryn> Except in chat.
20100729 16:53:40< Aethaeryn> Sometimes.
20100729 16:53:58< timotei> well... Capitalization, words order, commas, things that don't 'really matter'
20100729 16:54:45< Blarumyrran> I don't think it is so much a problem of grammar knowledge, as eg smileys are a very annoying point of such "bad" internet communication, and those aren't much related to grammar
20100729 16:54:59< Aethaeryn> timotei: Word order matters not.
20100729 16:55:02< Blarumyrran> overabundant smileys*
20100729 16:55:20< Aethaeryn> :-P
20100729 16:55:33< timotei> yeah :))
20100729 16:56:02< Aethaeryn> wow, IRC hijacked some of my time
20100729 16:56:09< Aethaeryn> I want a refund.
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20100729 16:56:12< timotei> Great. Just changed the DNS for my domain, and they don't work as intended:(
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20100729 18:54:54< shadowmaster> Gambit: it's my old broken laptop which has the > 520 days uptime
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20100729 18:55:59< Gambit> shadowmaster: Ah
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20100729 18:56:34< shadowmaster> and that's running Debian stable with full hardware compatibility, so I haven't needed to restart it for, i.e. kernel upgrades
20100729 18:57:02< timotei> full hardware compatibility? nice
20100729 18:57:32< shadowmaster> well, mesa's 3D support there has a lot of quirks but I didn't need it there (since frogatto works just fine)
20100729 18:58:11< timotei> :P
20100729 18:58:19< timotei> old broken laptop == that HP?
20100729 18:58:29< timotei> YEY
20100729 18:58:48< shadowmaster> timotei: ...no
20100729 18:58:49< shadowmaster> Acer.
20100729 18:58:54< shadowmaster> my current laptop is the HP.
20100729 18:59:01< timotei> can't belive, I'm almost crying. the WML grammar is working for all testcases till now :O
20100729 19:00:46< shadowmaster> my current laptop is also my guinea pig for drivers
20100729 19:01:10< timotei> :D
20100729 19:01:21< shadowmaster> after all, this is the only computer I have with an ATI Radeon R600-based chipset. The other has a R300
20100729 19:01:36< timotei> Iis acer good? I know only bad things about 'acer'-like notebooks
20100729 19:01:58< shadowmaster> it starting falling to pieces around the end of the warranty period
20100729 19:02:12< timotei> aha
20100729 19:02:30< shadowmaster> first, the LCD display started suffering from taints behind the screen
20100729 19:02:55< shadowmaster> later, it started displaying red/cyan tinted areas at the middle of the display
20100729 19:03:02< shadowmaster> then, the power button literally sank into the motherboard.
20100729 19:03:25< shadowmaster> additionally, the underlying cell broke so I must turn on that laptop via shortcircuiting with a paper clip
20100729 19:03:48< shadowmaster> then the screen started going off and on when shaken.
20100729 19:03:54< shadowmaster> and buzzing.
20100729 19:04:08< shadowmaster> oh, and both touchpad buttons died around the same time the LCD panel started failing.
20100729 19:04:15< timotei> omg
20100729 19:04:17< timotei> nasty
20100729 19:04:39< shadowmaster> whereas this HP laptop is well past the end of the warranty period and the screen is working perfectly fine with no problems save for an almost invisible scratch near the bottom middle
20100729 19:05:20< shadowmaster> and an oversensitive touchpad button that now serves as the secondary button
20100729 19:05:45< shadowmaster> some deteriorated paint areas on the touchpad surface. A really noisy fan.
20100729 19:05:58< shadowmaster> but overall it's working pretty well
20100729 19:06:09< shadowmaster> at least in comparison to the Acer :/
20100729 19:07:12< timotei> yeah
20100729 19:07:26< timotei> I wanted to compare that with my current DELL
20100729 19:07:34< timotei> The damn guys at service were stupid
20100729 19:07:43< shadowmaster> I accidentally dropped the Acer in a few occasions from around my height and its hard disk is still working, btw.
20100729 19:08:32< shadowmaster> I haven't dropped the HP ( :P ) but  it's received a few lateral hits and the HDD is doing fine.
20100729 19:08:37< timotei> 1) They didn't fix correctly a screw, so my lcd was ... rubbing the notebook
20100729 19:08:45< timotei> 2) The wireless doesn't work anymore in linux :(
20100729 19:09:02< timotei> I have 20% signal (but still not connectable) whereas my bro's notebook has 80%:(
20100729 19:09:14< shadowmaster> notably, the Acer would have problems with the HDD disconnecting fro the rest of the running time if I played music at 100% volume :/
20100729 19:09:29< shadowmaster> (thus crashing the OS)
20100729 19:09:57< shadowmaster> here there's no such "overload" behavior so far.
20100729 19:10:00< shadowmaster> so yeah, I hate Acers.
20100729 19:10:31< shadowmaster> it presented that quirk well before the end of its warranty period, too
20100729 19:12:08< shadowmaster> apparently the HP's hard disk has relocated two sectors if I'm reading smartctl's output correctly
20100729 19:12:14< shadowmaster> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
20100729 19:12:22< shadowmaster> 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       2
20100729 19:12:48< timotei> that's bad?
20100729 19:12:53< timotei> reallocating?
20100729 19:12:58< shadowmaster> I don't think so.
20100729 19:13:34< shadowmaster> it's common for modern hard disks to relocate sectors if they noticecorrectable errors on them
20100729 19:13:58< shadowmaster> and two sectors is nothing compared to my desktop's 196 uncorrectable (damaged) sectors ._.
20100729 19:16:09< timotei> :|
20100729 19:21:09< shadowmaster> the laptop's relocated sector count has also been like that for months, which should indicate normal wearing as opposed to imminent destruction
20100729 19:21:25< shadowmaster> the desktop's increases very often -.-'
20100729 19:21:47< timotei> desktop == windows
20100729 19:21:48< timotei> ?
20100729 19:22:06< shadowmaster> Windows XP SP2 and openSUSE 10.3
20100729 19:22:21< timotei> on every windows I use Diskeeper:P
20100729 19:22:32< timotei> it's the best thing I can offer to a harddrive with windows
20100729 19:22:41< timotei> Diskeeper with invisitasking
20100729 19:24:42< shadowmaster> that desktop box also killed a brand new hard disk
20100729 19:24:46< shadowmaster> hence I suspect a problem with the power supply
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20100729 19:25:29< shadowmaster> the hard disk also tends to become unresponsive if I use the TV receiver for a long time, in some occasions
20100729 19:25:43< timotei> ughh
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20100729 19:36:47< Gambit> uhhhuhhh wtf
20100729 19:36:55< Gambit> all of a sudden everything looks like windows 9x
20100729 19:37:46< Gambit> there we go
20100729 19:39:52< timotei> everything what?
20100729 19:42:49< Gambit> timotei: gnome flipped out
20100729 19:42:55< Gambit> my dekstop icons are still wrong :\
20100729 19:43:02< Gambit> but the window design is back to normal
20100729 19:43:14< timotei> :P
20100729 19:49:07< Gambit> the file browser is messed up too
20100729 19:49:11< Gambit> going to need a restart apparently
20100729 19:54:47< Gambit> I wonder if I can restart gnome without rebooting the whole computer
20100729 19:55:53< timotei> yeah
20100729 19:55:59< timotei> got to console and restart it;
20100729 19:56:14< timotei> Gambit: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/02/08/starting-and-stopping-gnome-from-the-command-line/
20100729 19:57:04< Gambit> hmmm
20100729 19:58:05< Gambit> Wow. It kept my quassel core session and the coldfusion server, but I lost the bot I had running in terminal.
20100729 19:58:20< Gambit> I'll have to look into a way to keep janebot running, but that was fricking awesome.
20100729 19:58:58< timotei> Gambit: umm, attach it at computer startup?
20100729 19:59:00< timotei> iirc in RC
20100729 19:59:17< timotei> Gambit: http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/systems-management/8116-an-introduction-to-services-runlevels-and-rcd-scripts
20100729 19:59:55< Gambit> well the thing is that it cannot be allowed to start before the coldfusion server does (which I also start by hand at boot)
20100729 20:00:00< Gambit> s/at/after
20100729 20:00:43< timotei> Gambit: run coldfusion automatically ;)
20100729 20:00:46< timotei> before the botr
20100729 20:01:13< Gambit> it takes some time to start
20100729 20:03:03< Gambit> I wonder how it would work to start her from one of those other console only desktop session thingers that I have no idea what they're called obviously
20100729 20:05:12< timotei> tty
20100729 20:05:58< Gambit> bah
20100729 20:06:05< Gambit> whatever they are I just switched to number 1
20100729 20:06:08< Gambit> and can't get back
20100729 20:06:15< Gambit> thank goodness for remote quassel
20100729 20:06:17< timotei> CTRL+ALT+
20100729 20:06:22< timotei> f1 through F12
20100729 20:06:30< timotei> usually the graphics are in F7
20100729 20:06:32< timotei> and F8
20100729 20:06:37< timotei> :P
20100729 20:06:39< Gambit> ahah
20100729 20:06:42< Gambit> f7
20100729 20:06:44< timotei> that should work
20100729 20:06:51< timotei> CTRL+ALT+F7
20100729 20:06:52< Gambit> *8
20100729 20:07:00< Gambit> timotei: thank you
20100729 20:07:01< Gambit> :D
20100729 20:07:04< timotei> well, once I wanted to play games in F8
20100729 20:07:09< timotei> while in F7 have the main desktop
20100729 20:07:14< timotei> since in windows, fullscreen gaes
20100729 20:07:17< Gambit> can you get graphics in two of them? :s
20100729 20:07:18< timotei> take the ... input
20100729 20:07:23< timotei> of course
20100729 20:07:23< timotei> in any
20100729 20:07:24< timotei> :)
20100729 20:07:32< Gambit> how's that work?
20100729 20:07:43< Gambit> So then I guess they are cleared when gnome is restarted?
20100729 20:08:10< timotei> what?
20100729 20:08:13< timotei> they run different instances
20100729 20:08:15< timotei> for example...
20100729 20:08:20< timotei> in kde is very simple
20100729 20:08:25< timotei> you just start another session
20100729 20:08:28< timotei> and that is made in f7
20100729 20:08:29< timotei> f8&
20100729 20:08:32< timotei> :D
20100729 20:08:35< timotei> in gnome I don't know
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