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20100730 00:17:00< Gambit> This makes me sad.
20100730 00:17:03< Gambit> | id | name           | list    |
20100730 00:17:03< Gambit> +----+----------------+---------+
20100730 00:17:03< Gambit> |  1 | Gambit         | ,18,36, |
20100730 00:17:03< Gambit> |  2 | #wesnothxp     | ,36,    |
20100730 00:17:04< Gambit> |  3 | #wesnoth-music | ,999,   |
20100730 00:17:06< Gambit> |  4 | timotei21      | ,999,   |
20100730 00:17:08< Gambit> |  6 | ##Gambot       | ,17,    |
20100730 00:17:11< Gambit> |  5 | Hulavuta       | ,999,   |
20100730 00:17:15< Gambit> shadowmaster: poke poke
20100730 00:18:46< noy> what is this Gambit ?
20100730 00:19:18< Gambit> noy: I added a feature to my IRC bot where people (and/or channels) can subscribe to get updates from specific Wesnoth subforums or comma seperated lists
20100730 00:19:22< Gambit> but nobody is using the feature :(
20100730 00:20:18< Gambit> Like for example I'm subscribed to forums 18 and 36 (experimental corner and art development)
20100730 00:20:28< Gambit> And ##Gambot is subscribed to 17 (website notifications)
20100730 00:21:09< Gambit> So every 10 minutes it checks for new posts on the forums, and sends out private messagess on IRC to subscribers notifying them of new posts (only if there are new posts).
20100730 00:23:12< Blarumyrran> Unless you're moderating, I don't think it'd be useful
20100730 00:23:18< Blueblaze> it isn't Blarumyrran 
20100730 00:23:25< Blueblaze> but that doesn't stop Gambit :z
20100730 00:23:36< Gambit> Who doesn't want to know within 10 minutes that there is new stuff in Art Development?
20100730 00:23:55< Gambit> I had art contribs, but it gets spammed way too much.
20100730 00:24:19< Blueblaze> Gambit: Who let the dogs out?
20100730 00:24:23< Gambit> Well not so much spam, but comments on art and what not.
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20100730 00:24:27< Blueblaze> Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who?
20100730 00:24:34< Blarumyrran> Gambit, as happens all too often on IRC again I don't know if you were sarcastic or not
20100730 00:25:02< Gambit> Blarumyrran: No seriously. I can't imagine not wanting to alerted to new posts in Art Development
20100730 00:25:08< Gambit> especially with Eleazar back to work.
20100730 00:25:14< Blarumyrran> In 10 minutes?
20100730 00:25:18< Gambit> Yes
20100730 00:25:22< Blueblaze> And every post? Not every post is going to be artwork
20100730 00:25:29< Blueblaze> Most of it is going to be commentary, for better or worse
20100730 00:25:37< Gambit> Blarumyrran: The concentration is incredibly high in Art Dev though.
20100730 00:25:49< Gambit> Versus are contrib and art workshop.
20100730 00:26:04< Gambit> err
20100730 00:26:08< Gambit> s/Blarumyrran/Blueblaze/
20100730 00:26:08< Blarumyrran> Gambit, I don't remember you ever posting on Art Dev
20100730 00:26:11< Blueblaze> Yes, but just because they're comparable doesn't mean you should make that comparison
20100730 00:26:14< Aethaeryn> Gambit: just subscribe to http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24484
20100730 00:26:19< Blarumyrran> What's the hurt in just checking once a day
20100730 00:27:20< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Because within 10 minutes or less is better... somehow...
20100730 00:27:38< Gambit> Aethaeryn: threads don't get their own feeds
20100730 00:27:56< Gambit> And I'm not sure the forums can be parsed easily.
20100730 00:29:13< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Also other feed readers wouldn't allow IRC channels to subscribe to feeds.
20100730 00:29:33< Gambit> (Which is useful if there's actually a channel for a particular forum as is the case with #wesnothxp)
20100730 00:29:44< Gambit> Or if a channel and a subforum share a topic (#wesnoth-music)
20100730 00:30:12< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Also why have one more program running?
20100730 00:30:42< Blarumyrran> I understand the urge to get to know things before others do, and then feel priviledged
20100730 00:30:56< Blarumyrran> But that is not a constructive urge, and you should resist it
20100730 00:31:11< Blarumyrran> In cases like this when there's no obvious other reason
20100730 00:31:14< Gambit> ...
20100730 00:31:41< Gambit> Blarumyrran: We could all find out at the same time :D
20100730 00:32:13< Gambit> Also knowing asap is good.
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20100730 00:32:24< Gambit> Though it's not really asap.
20100730 00:32:30< Gambit> It's asaswa.
20100730 00:33:31< Gambit> Well as soon as both shadowmaster and my internet would allow.
20100730 00:33:45< Gambit> As loading 22 feeds every 30 seconds would get a little hairy.
20100730 00:36:09< Blarumyrran> <Blarumyrran> shikadibot: ASASWA? <shikadibot> Sorry, I don't know what 'ASASWA' means...
20100730 00:37:19< Gambit> "as soon as shadowmaster would allow"
20100730 00:38:26< Gambit> But now that I see what the once-every-10-minute setting does to my internet...
20100730 00:38:50< Gambit> It would have been pretty stupid to do anything less than 10 minutes.
20100730 00:39:03< Gambit> My original plan of every 30 seconds is hilarious.
20100730 00:40:18< Gambit> wth http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=445198#p445198
20100730 00:40:21< Gambit> He should know better...
20100730 00:41:37< Blarumyrran> Why should he know better?
20100730 00:41:54< Gambit> I'm inclined to believe his account has been hijacked...
20100730 00:42:04< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Because he's been around for a year.
20100730 00:42:10< Gambit> And surely seen many posts about colored signatures.
20100730 00:42:15< Gambit> err
20100730 00:42:35< Blarumyrran> I haven't seen a single post about colored signatures
20100730 00:42:36< Gambit> s/seen many posts about colored signatures/read the posting guidelines/
20100730 00:43:09< Gambit> Blarumyrran: not even this one? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=24277#_avatarsnsigs
20100730 00:43:11< Gambit> :P
20100730 00:43:31< Daravel> do you know every post on the forums? ;)
20100730 00:44:21< Blarumyrran> Gambit, nop
20100730 00:44:36< Gambit> Daravel: Well... as many as I can read in a day.
20100730 00:44:42< Gambit> Blarumyrran: That is... bad.
20100730 00:44:59< Blarumyrran> I have seen many posts about not using colored text in the message itself, as it's usually reserved for moderators; and of no graphical signatures, and of no animated avatars
20100730 00:45:04< Gambit> Daravel: I used to read every post as they came in for a little while back in march or so.
20100730 00:45:18< Gambit> But the post rate has really climbed.
20100730 00:45:25< Gambit> (iUsers?)
20100730 00:45:45< Daravel> every post?
20100730 00:45:55< Blarumyrran> Why would you do that?
20100730 00:46:12< Gambit> classified
20100730 00:46:15< Gambit> :P
20100730 00:46:18< Gambit> (just because)
20100730 00:46:39< Daravel> having said that; im sat here cataloguing every image/sound that anyone ever uploaded to Wesnoth
20100730 00:46:42< Daravel> so im not one to talk
20100730 00:48:37< Daravel> is there an add on with vampires in it?
20100730 00:49:18< Blarumyrran> Yes
20100730 00:49:32< Blarumyrran> Era of Mythology
20100730 00:49:59< Daravel> ok, I won't add this poor looking one in then :)
20100730 00:50:05< Blarumyrran> Uhm
20100730 00:50:18< Gambit> (that probably is Era of Myths (zing!))
20100730 00:50:39< Daravel> same difference?
20100730 00:50:40< Gambit> Kidding
20100730 00:50:45< Blarumyrran> The vampires there have sprite art done by Melon and portaits done by that new guy with capital letters, both of top quality
20100730 00:50:55< Gambit> Actually no not kidding.
20100730 00:51:01< Gambit> It's Era of Magic that I'm a fan of.
20100730 00:51:02< Daravel> ok, thanks :)
20100730 00:51:10< Blarumyrran> Although neither very wesnoth-like
20100730 00:51:17< Daravel> a lot of this stuff isn't
20100730 00:51:22< Daravel> i have spaceships here
20100730 00:51:33< Blarumyrran> I made a vampire once
20100730 00:51:48< Blarumyrran> The one in TRoW
20100730 00:52:32< Daravel> then he'll be added whenever I get round to mainline stuff
20100730 00:52:41< Daravel> unless TRoW was on the add on servers?
20100730 00:54:17< Blarumyrran> No
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20100730 01:06:31< Blarumyrran> wait
20100730 01:06:59< Blarumyrran> <Gambit> Blarumyrran: not even this one? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?t=24277#_avatarsnsigs
20100730 01:07:06< Blarumyrran> How does that url work?
20100730 01:07:15< Gambit> Blarumyrran: html anchor
20100730 01:15:10< Gambit> Blarumyrran: If you want to make those in your threads here is the BBcode
20100730 01:15:10< Gambit> [anchor]avatarsnsigs[/anchor]
20100730 01:15:27< Gambit> and to link to them [goto=avatarsnsigs]link text[/goto]
20100730 01:15:48< Gambit> (to link to them on the same page that is)
20100730 01:16:02< Blarumyrran> You can link to them on the same page with 8url] too though?
20100730 01:16:20< Gambit> Blarumyrran: yes but that will reload the page
20100730 01:16:32< Gambit> the [goto] tag will just jump the scrollbar up or down
20100730 01:16:40< Gambit> or at least that's how it'll appear to the end user
20100730 01:17:01< Gambit> Or that's how it should work.
20100730 01:17:02 * Gambit tests
20100730 01:17:09< Gambit> Yeah
20100730 01:18:01< Gambit> I wonder how it works when the anchors are on a seperate page in the same thread...
20100730 01:18:22< Gambit> It seems to me, being a forum, that functionality would be neccessary.
20100730 01:19:02< Blarumyrran> Me being a forum, I'm trampled over by romans
20100730 01:19:39< Daravel> heh
20100730 01:24:06< Valkier> Starcraft 2: Less perfect than the first but with twice the hype
20100730 01:25:41< Gambit> (which does not imply that the first was anywhere near perfect)
20100730 01:26:11< Gambit> Valkier: Your frequent one line sarcastic downing of popular things would be great on twitter.
20100730 01:26:22< Gambit> You must join us.
20100730 01:27:34< Daravel> what is with everyone's obession with fire? "fire unit #2343", blob of fire with eyes, "fire bow" - which has no fire on it...
20100730 01:28:43< Espreon> It's pretty?
20100730 01:28:52< Gambit> Fire/Flaming is like "x" or "High Def"
20100730 01:28:59< Gambit> You can slap it on anywhere to make anything instantly cooler.
20100730 01:29:06< Daravel> hmmm
20100730 01:29:14< Gambit> XBlades
20100730 01:29:17< Gambit> WormholeX
20100730 01:29:23< Gambit> Xcalibur
20100730 01:29:26< Gambit> High Def Paint
20100730 01:29:27< Daravel> half the things on my list have 'fire' in one of the tags
20100730 01:29:32< Gambit> High Def Sunglasses
20100730 01:29:32< Blarumyrran> Blades of xXxFirexXx
20100730 01:29:36< Gambit> High Def shovel
20100730 01:29:51< Gambit> Fire Wormz
20100730 01:30:01< Gambit> Guns of Fire
20100730 01:30:02< Blarumyrran> Daravel, tags?
20100730 01:30:04< Gambit> Flaming Badgers
20100730 01:30:22< Gambit> Except I'd say Fire < High Def < X
20100730 01:30:43< Daravel> blarumyrran: 1, your name is annoying to type :P 2: the tags for all the images for the database, so they can be sorted, searched and browsed
20100730 01:31:00< Gambit> Daravel: His name is Blar<tab>
20100730 01:31:03< Gambit> It's very easy.
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20100730 01:31:16< Blarumyrran> Daravel, about every IRC client allows autocompletion, usually with the tab key
20100730 01:31:36< Daravel> I'm so used to typing now, it's second nature
20100730 01:31:45< Daravel> i just couldn't spell it
20100730 01:32:14< Gambit> Also it's interesting to note that "shadow" and "master" are also two of these "instantly make anything sound awesomer" [sic] words
20100730 01:32:24< Daravel> typing blar then tab would actually be more effort mentally ^^
20100730 01:32:35< Gambit> Except in usernames these words just make it seem noobier.
20100730 01:32:37< Daravel> anyway, yes, I'm tagging every thing off the add on servers basically
20100730 01:32:48< Gambit> xXHighDefMasterofFireXx
20100730 01:33:16< Blarumyrran> There was some newb once named Cool Evil
20100730 01:33:24< Blarumyrran> He was annoying, but I liked his name
20100730 01:33:35< Gambit> Evil is one of these words too.
20100730 01:33:48< Daravel> i just found a unit with a flamethrower :)
20100730 01:33:51< Gambit> So is "God" actually...
20100730 01:33:58< Gambit> (take that however you will)
20100730 01:34:19< Gambit> (but whenever I see xXGodOfSomethingXx I immediatly want to tag, frag, and tbag that person)
20100730 01:35:15< Blarumyrran> I don't know. "Ancient god of destruction" sounds cool
20100730 01:35:36< Valkier> Yeah, if a tad "every RPG made in the 90's"
20100730 01:35:42< Blarumyrran> Exactly
20100730 01:36:03< Blarumyrran> Without Ancient, it would be like another annoying newb
20100730 01:36:13< Blarumyrran> Or without the spaces.
20100730 01:36:22< Gambit> So there must be words that cancel the effect.
20100730 01:36:31< Daravel> Daravel is the name you're all looking for; when you discuss 'cool'
20100730 01:36:38< Valkier> New God of Petty Vandalism?
20100730 01:36:56< Gambit> Valkier: Of course using it ironically actually makes it cool.
20100730 01:37:10< Blarumyrran> It doesn't, I'd say
20100730 01:37:28< Blarumyrran> "God of x", when ironic, is annoying too for me
20100730 01:37:37< Blarumyrran> Perhaps even more
20100730 01:37:38< Gambit> [See: the first two minutes of this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1632-Just-Cause-2 ]
20100730 01:38:01< Gambit> Perhaps it's the four wordedness?
20100730 01:38:16< Gambit> That must be it.
20100730 01:38:20< Gambit> Blarumyrran: It's the adjectives!
20100730 01:38:28< Blarumyrran> No
20100730 01:38:48< Blarumyrran> As said, "New God of Petty Vandalism" doesn't have a good appeal
20100730 01:39:09< Gambit> Well here we disagree I'm afraid.
20100730 01:39:16< Gambit> It'd be better without "new"
20100730 01:39:17< Blarumyrran> I thought so
20100730 01:39:19< Valkier> Middle Aged God of Ripened Bananas has good a-peal.
20100730 01:39:21< Valkier> Mwahahahahaha!
20100730 01:39:30 * Valkier burns it all down
20100730 01:39:41< Daravel> that is appealing due to it's sillyness though
20100730 01:39:59< Gambit> Yeah but no registration system in the history of ever would fit that.
20100730 01:40:06< Daravel> yes, I ignore your pun
20100730 01:40:32< Valkier> Daravel: It's only temporary. Soon, you too will succumb
20100730 01:40:37< Daravel> what it all comes down to in the end, is that you all wish you were named "Daravel"
20100730 01:40:50< Valkier> On the contrary.
20100730 01:41:06< Daravel> ever heard of a hero called Valkier? 
20100730 01:41:12< Valkier> Yup
20100730 01:41:19< Valkier> It was a star ship in Star Trek I'm told.
20100730 01:41:21< Daravel> I bet her was rubbish
20100730 01:41:24< Daravel> he*
20100730 01:41:28< Valkier> What was Daravel? A squishy human?
20100730 01:41:28< Blarumyrran> My mother named me Daravel Daravelsson
20100730 01:41:31< Blarumyrran> I hated the name
20100730 01:41:41< Gambit> okay but all usernames fail compared to CuchulainnTheImpure
20100730 01:41:56< Daravel> Doesn't daravel sound like an epic hero of epic times, you epically did epic things?
20100730 01:41:58< Gambit> (and avatars!)
20100730 01:41:59< Daravel> of course it does
20100730 01:42:02< Valkier> I want to be renamed Emporer Fluffywang
20100730 01:42:17< Daravel> I admit, that has a ring to it
20100730 01:42:27< Blarumyrran> Emporer alone is a gem
20100730 01:42:37< Blarumyrran> A lot of people will twitch every time they read that
20100730 01:42:40-!- Valkier is now known as MagicEmporerGale
20100730 01:42:56< MagicEmporerGale> Shit just got real.
20100730 01:43:38< Daravel> all right, I'll change my name to the best name imaginable
20100730 01:43:39< Daravel> 1 sec
20100730 01:43:51< Gambit> Maybe it's just my history with someone with that username but "Emporer" is a huge thumbs down
20100730 01:43:52< Daravel> done
20100730 01:44:01< Gambit> I wrote a parody beer commercial about this.
20100730 01:44:05< Gambit> Just a second.
20100730 01:44:23< Gambit> (and yes you heard right... parody beer commercial)
20100730 01:44:39< Blarumyrran> Emperor Norton references are always welcome though
20100730 01:44:55< MagicEmporerGale> Daravel sounds like the name of that kid that would always get beat up on the playground.
20100730 01:45:28< Gambit> http://s1.zetaboards.com/ClanMERC/single/?p=29374&t=340898
20100730 01:45:31< Gambit> KABOOM
20100730 01:45:32< MagicEmporerGale> And when the neighborhood kids would pick on him his half clothed obese mother would waddle out of the house with hair rollers and a bike chain.
20100730 01:45:34< Blarumyrran> "Da" is a rather feminine syllable
20100730 01:46:03< Gambit> My spelling was awful in 2008...
20100730 01:46:06< Blarumyrran> I think I just called sirp feminine
20100730 01:46:16-!- MagicEmporerGale is now known as Valkier
20100730 01:46:17< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Nah "Dave" is one syllabic.
20100730 01:46:27< Blarumyrran> Ah, right
20100730 01:46:35< Daravel> is it?
20100730 01:46:38< Daravel> hmm
20100730 01:46:40< Daravel> yes it is
20100730 01:46:43< Gambit> Wait... "unisyllabic" because that sounds cooler.
20100730 01:46:44< Valkier> ...
20100730 01:47:02< Valkier> Monosyllabic is better.
20100730 01:47:07< Valkier> uni infers multiple.
20100730 01:47:08< Gambit> Yeah...
20100730 01:47:11< Daravel> and correct :P
20100730 01:47:20< Gambit> Valkier: Yeah that one is a real word. XD
20100730 01:47:23< Valkier> :-P
20100730 01:47:36< Valkier> Well someone has to be Espreon.
20100730 01:47:44< Valkier> Cause I don't know where that little guy is right now.
20100730 01:47:49< Gambit> Valkier: "mono" is french.
20100730 01:47:59< Gambit> Why do you think the kissing disease has that name!?
20100730 01:48:03< Valkier> Well then it will run away if you keep insisting on uni
20100730 01:48:06< Gambit> Ergo Espreon would hate it.
20100730 01:48:25< Gambit> Anyway these jokes are getting terrible.
20100730 01:48:30< Gambit> Going away for exercise.
20100730 01:48:34< Valkier> Kind of like the name Daravel.
20100730 01:49:32< Daravel> I disaprove of your tone
20100730 01:49:46< Daravel> be respectful of your superiors
20100730 01:50:30< Valkier> umm
20100730 01:50:38< Valkier> I'm going to take your cornflakes now.
20100730 01:50:43< Daravel> if someone takes a photo, and uploads it onto the game - that counts as GPL? -it's of a forest
20100730 01:51:02< Valkier> Is it going to be used in a mainline campaign?
20100730 01:51:04< Daravel> i dont have cornflakes, they are the most boring cereal of them all
20100730 01:51:07< Daravel> nope
20100730 01:51:19< Valkier> Then I don't think it is under GPL
20100730 01:51:26< Daravel> but, it's in an addon
20100730 01:51:36< Daravel> someone else took the photo and uploaded it into their campaign
20100730 01:51:41< Daravel> as a story image
20100730 01:51:48< Blarumyrran> Report it, it's not allowed
20100730 01:51:56< Daravel> it's off 1.2 :)
20100730 01:54:31< Daravel> everyone cheer, I made it to 'g'
20100730 01:54:43< Valkier> Who are you!?
20100730 01:55:15< Daravel> all that ever was
20100730 01:55:44< Valkier> :-P
20100730 01:57:51< Daravel> i'm no one 
20100730 01:58:45 * Valkier is guy fox
20100730 01:59:04< Daravel> whose guy fox?
20100730 02:01:59< Valkier> Get off the internet.
20100730 02:02:03< Valkier> You're not allowed here anymore.
20100730 02:03:38< Daravel> hmm
20100730 02:03:40< Daravel> who is he then?
20100730 02:05:14< Valkier> Yup. Get off my internets.
20100730 02:05:48< Daravel> I feel like im missing something here
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20100730 02:35:29< Gambit> Valkier: Well that's one protocol down.
20100730 02:35:36< Gambit> Vur unless you can scare him off HTTP as well...
20100730 02:35:41< Gambit> *But
20100730 02:38:36< Gambit> Valkier: And of course we don't want him using SMTP either.
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20100730 04:41:15< shadowmaster> Good news, everyone!
20100730 04:41:55< Espreon> What?
20100730 04:42:35< shadowmaster> I got those annoying stitched removed today
20100730 04:42:44< shadowmaster> *stitches
20100730 04:43:08< Espreon> Yay!
20100730 04:43:11< shadowmaster> However, I also bring bad news to you.
20100730 04:43:16< Espreon> What?
20100730 04:43:33< shadowmaster> I couldn't buy that external hard disk.
20100730 04:44:01< shadowmaster> I'll have to check some specialized store next Monday or during the week, since I'll be back to uni again.
20100730 04:44:08< Espreon> I see...
20100730 04:58:22< shadowmaster> Espreon: behold the idocy
20100730 04:58:26< shadowmaster> idiocy
20100730 04:58:28< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30938
20100730 04:58:38< shadowmaster> I mean, "Doom of Destiny"?
20100730 04:58:45< shadowmaster> how can that even be a name for an RPG?
20100730 05:00:07< shadowmaster> I'd comment about some serious issues I see in the site's homepage, but since it's DC I think I'll be just wasting my time
20100730 05:00:24< shadowmaster> "All pictures and styles belong to their appropriate owners, and were found with Google Images."
20100730 05:11:55< Espreon> ... uh... OK...
20100730 05:12:21< shadowmaster> you are no fun.
20100730 05:12:28< shadowmaster> Too bad Gambit decided to go to bed early.
20100730 05:12:35< shadowmaster> and Turuk isn't around anymore.
20100730 05:12:44< shadowmaster> and Aethaeryn is dead.
20100730 05:13:03< Espreon> No, I can be fun, but whenever I'm being fun, you scorn me.
20100730 05:14:12< shadowmaster> because you are fun at the expense of sanity :(
20100730 05:14:30< Espreon> About hwæt are you talking? I'm always insane!
20100730 05:14:54< shadowmaster> hm.
20100730 05:15:18< shadowmaster> s/sanity/protocol/
20100730 05:15:38< Espreon> Blagh...
20100730 05:15:41< Espreon> *Blargh
20100730 05:15:44< Aethaeryn> 50x5
20100730 05:15:55< Aethaeryn> is about the smallest I can get irssi in the default theme
20100730 05:17:28< shadowmaster> gaah, Aethaeryn's ghost is haunting us
20100730 05:17:33< shadowmaster> :(
20100730 05:18:44< Espreon> I wish I had the energy to work on scenario three's map...
20100730 05:18:49< Espreon> I wanna get it done...
20100730 05:19:09< Espreon> ... and it's turning out nicely...
20100730 05:20:28 * shadowmaster wishes Espreon didn't commit shadowmaster's own mistakes and strived to not be a perfectionist
20100730 05:20:56< Espreon> What?
20100730 05:21:15< Espreon> Ugh, I don't feel like reading "Berserk" or "Liar Game" either...
20100730 05:21:31< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn and me already talked about this the other day, remember?
20100730 05:21:48< Espreon> No.
20100730 05:22:04 * shadowmaster raises eyebrow.
20100730 05:22:23< Aethaeryn> it's not that quantity > quality.
20100730 05:22:35< Aethaeryn> It's that paradoxically, you get better quality by going for quantity and picking a handful that stick
20100730 05:22:43< Aethaeryn> then spending all your time going for ONE quality whatever
20100730 05:22:47< Espreon> Also, "Me already talked about ..."? I think not.
20100730 05:23:04< shadowmaster> oh come on, I know it's "I" instead of me
20100730 05:23:08< Espreon> But, I have to be pleased with my work.
20100730 05:23:46 * shadowmaster digivolve ahhhhh...New Age Retro Hippie Shadowmaster
20100730 05:23:56< shadowmaster> Espreon: relax man.
20100730 05:24:05< shadowmaster> just go with the flow.
20100730 05:24:05< Aethaeryn> I probably throw out (or file away or redraw significantly) 3 maps for every 1 I keep
20100730 05:24:18< Aethaeryn> sprites might be more like 4 or 5, but they're more likely to be dead ends wasting 3 hours
20100730 05:24:24< shadowmaster> paint random stuff in a map and then you'll get the inspiration to shape it into awesomeness
20100730 05:24:47< shadowmaster> trying to make my own mental image of what I want has never worked
20100730 05:24:47< Espreon> It has nothing to do with a lack of inspiration.
20100730 05:24:58< shadowmaster> Espreon: okay, inspiration is the wrong word.
20100730 05:25:02< Espreon> ... I just don't feel like doing anything right now.
20100730 05:25:03< shadowmaster> insert "cookie" instead if you want
20100730 05:25:04< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: yeah, half my good maps start as random doodles
20100730 05:25:30< shadowmaster> Espreon: then don't do anything, srsly.
20100730 05:25:40< shadowmaster> trying to get work done without being motivated is counterproductive for my mood
20100730 05:25:44< Espreon> What? Today was a long day.
20100730 05:25:49< shadowmaster> and apparently yours and Jetryl's too
20100730 05:25:51< shadowmaster> I mean Jetrel
20100730 05:25:58< shadowmaster> Espreon: I mean wesnoth stuff, you silly
20100730 05:26:30< shadowmaster> I've also discovered that listening to good music works.
20100730 05:26:31< Espreon> Also, I'm done with the bulk of the map, I just need to finish it off.
20100730 05:26:37 * shadowmaster has been enlightened.
20100730 05:26:47< shadowmaster> that's what I need, good music.
20100730 05:26:49< Espreon> Eh, I'm just not in the mood...
20100730 05:26:54< shadowmaster> ever since my headphones broke, I haven't been able to do anything Wesnothy
20100730 05:27:25< shadowmaster> Espreon: YOU ARE A GENIUS
20100730 05:27:25< Espreon> Well, time to resume playing "Star Fox 64".
20100730 05:27:34< Espreon> shadowmaster: Uh, hwæt?
20100730 05:27:38< shadowmaster> I'll search online articles  to see if I can repair these headphones myself
20100730 05:27:44< Espreon> Uh... OK...
20100730 05:27:45< shadowmaster> Espreon: 23:26:54 <shadowmaster> ever since my headphones broke, I haven't been able to do anything Wesnothy
20100730 05:27:57< shadowmaster> Espreon: you made me discover this
20100730 05:28:01< shadowmaster> I love you mad
20100730 05:28:03< shadowmaster> man [B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[Ber, man.
20100730 05:28:10< shadowmaster> little slip there.
20100730 05:28:20< Espreon> Just don't love me as much as Blueblaze...
20100730 05:28:26< Espreon> I don't need another Blueblaze...
20100730 05:28:42< Blueblaze> :D
20100730 05:28:49< Espreon> Oh God!
20100730 05:28:50< Blueblaze> you cannot replace me Espreon no matter how hard you try
20100730 05:28:58< Espreon> Damn it! LOL.
20100730 05:32:59< Espreon> Ugh, trying to play that game with the keyboard is annoying...
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20100730 05:51:15< shadowmaster> Espreon: have you ever run into something like KDE 4 forcing smaller fonts (by -1 pt) on applications started via sudo or kdesu?
20100730 05:51:26< shadowmaster> Gtk2 and Qt4 applications alike
20100730 05:53:17< Espreon> Uh... lemme check.
20100730 05:53:59< Espreon> I don't see anything over here.
20100730 05:54:23< Espreon> Check your font configuration stuff in /etc/ maybe? IDK.
20100730 05:54:35 * Espreon really needs a PS3 controller.
20100730 06:07:28< shadowmaster> grrr
20100730 06:08:31< Espreon> Wha?
20100730 06:09:19< shadowmaster> the aforementioned issue.
20100730 06:09:22< shadowmaster> I can't find anything that could cause it
20100730 06:09:51< shadowmaster> root's config files all point to Tahoma 8, not Tahoma 7 which seems to be what these kdesu/sudo children use
20100730 06:10:02< shadowmaster> (heh, children)
20100730 06:10:33< shadowmaster> and the system-wide font config files are those that are shipped with Debian, which do not enforce any font metrics whatsoever
20100730 06:10:59< shadowmaster> I had some Xft config lying around that coul theoretically cause this but it's no more
20100730 06:11:17< shadowmaster> hence "grrr"
20100730 06:11:58< shadowmaster> hm
20100730 06:12:12< shadowmaster> hm, I found the kdeglobals config in root's home dir pointing to Tahoma 7
20100730 06:12:27< shadowmaster> and kdesktoprc
20100730 06:12:44< shadowmaster> although these are most likely KDE 3.5 leftovers, let's see
20100730 06:14:16< Espreon> Screw it, I'm running "eix-sync"
20100730 06:15:13< shadowmaster> Espreon: ahhh, that was it.
20100730 06:15:24< Espreon> Ah, I see.
20100730 06:15:32< shadowmaster> Od that it never caused me problems before. Maybe KDE 4 suddenly decided to accept some KDE 3 config files
20100730 06:15:38< shadowmaster> *Odd
20100730 06:16:05< shadowmaster> now I can use this pretty Partition Ma-
20100730 06:17:37< shadowmaster> after copying my regular user's .fonts.conf to root's home dir, now I can use this pretty Partition Manager.
20100730 06:17:46< shadowmaster> and change my new USB pendrive's filesystem to something else.
20100730 06:18:02< shadowmaster> fat32
20100730 06:18:04< shadowmaster> heh
20100730 06:18:26< shadowmaster> ext2 would be nice bu it's so prome to corruption when stuff happens
20100730 06:18:28< shadowmaster> *but, prone
20100730 06:19:54< shadowmaster> Bah, I'll ask in ##linux.
20100730 06:20:12< Espreon> Hmmmm, keeping my laptop on this small, wooden table is working well...
20100730 06:20:35< Espreon> About wha?
20100730 06:21:08< Espreon> Seeing if ext2 is suitable?
20100730 06:22:12< shadowmaster> non journalled filesystems are clearly not suitable
20100730 06:22:29< shadowmaster> journalled filesystems are known to accelerate flash memory wearing
20100730 06:22:45< shadowmaster> so I hope to find something in-between
20100730 06:22:54< shadowmaster> (also, fat32 sux)
20100730 06:23:21< shadowmaster> also, parted, KDE's partition manager, gparted, warn me that my hard disk's partitions are not aligned to cylinder boundaries
20100730 06:23:37< Espreon> LOL, wut?
20100730 06:23:51< shadowmaster> apparently I screwed up when partitioning.
20100730 06:24:05< shadowmaster> it might explain why I couldn't recover my homefs after using fdisk
20100730 06:24:26 * Espreon wonders how many times he screwed with the partitions on this lappy...
20100730 06:24:31< Espreon> At least two...
20100730 06:24:38< shadowmaster> the ext2/3 superblock wasn't at a cylinder boundary ;(
20100730 06:25:10< Espreon> One to take away from the NTFS partition to make an ext3 partition and a swap partition.
20100730 06:25:17< shadowmaster> and I might have done something that deleted it afterwards since no tool could discover where the superblock used to be
20100730 06:25:22< Espreon> ... of course, I use ext4 nowadays.
20100730 06:25:34< shadowmaster> Espreon: are you sure?
20100730 06:25:41< Espreon> Yeah...
20100730 06:25:45< Espreon> I'm sure!
20100730 06:25:47< shadowmaster> as I said somewhere else, ext4's kernel and userland support is very recent
20100730 06:25:53< shadowmaster> I'd not use it for production.
20100730 06:26:05< Espreon> Hey, explosions have not occurred yet.
20100730 06:26:09< shadowmaster> although I plan to use it as the FS for my backup HDD once I buy the HDD.
20100730 06:26:28< shadowmaster> since backup HDDs are less prone to system crashes, etc. ;)
20100730 06:26:45< Espreon> The only problem I had with ext4 was back when crashing/loss of power would cause the loss of recently-created files and recent changes to files.
20100730 06:27:16< shadowmaster> I have heard of that happening with ext3 using a legacy journaling mode
20100730 06:27:24< shadowmaster> as well
20100730 06:28:31< shadowmaster> something that I've never understood is why the default course of action on I/O errors for newly created ext2/3 filesystems is "continue normal execution"
20100730 06:29:02< shadowmaster> I changed all my filesystems to "remount read-only" with tune2fs as I found that out.
20100730 06:29:09< Espreon> shadowmaster: Which version of Freetype do you have?
20100730 06:29:28< shadowmaster> I mean, we've got an I/O error, right? It's dangerous to modify the inode table or write data to disk afterwards!
20100730 06:29:34< shadowmaster> so why not remount it read-only by default?
20100730 06:30:02< shadowmaster> and prevent further corruption, especially if the I/O error was originated by a software failure (pool corruption, etc.)
20100730 06:30:30< shadowmaster> Espreon: 2.4.0
20100730 06:30:43< shadowmaster> fontconfig is 2.8.0
20100730 06:30:47 * Espreon has 2.4.1.
20100730 06:31:02< shadowmaster> X.org is 1.77
20100730 06:31:05< shadowmaster> 1.7.7
20100730 06:31:09< Espreon> Thank God those silly patents finally expired...
20100730 06:31:23 * Espreon has Xorg 1.8.2.
20100730 06:31:37< shadowmaster> what's so great about fontconfig *.1?
20100730 06:32:21< Espreon> I don't remember.
20100730 06:32:30< shadowmaster> http://sourceforge.net/projects/freetype/files/freetype2/2.4.1/NEWS/view
20100730 06:32:47< shadowmaster> doesn't look particularly important to me at least, although Debian is pretty likely to migrate it to Testing ASAP anyway
20100730 06:33:01< Espreon> I just got it for the lulz.
20100730 06:34:05< shadowmaster> Espreon: http://sourceforge.net/projects/freetype/files/freetype2/2.4.1/NEWS/view
20100730 06:34:09< shadowmaster> Espreon: oops, wrong link
20100730 06:34:16< shadowmaster> Espreon: http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/shadowm2006/delicious_food.jpg
20100730 06:34:47< Espreon> ¿Qué es eso?
20100730 06:35:06< shadowmaster> food
20100730 06:35:08< shadowmaster> :D
20100730 06:35:36< Espreon> What is the name of the dish?
20100730 06:36:10< shadowmaster> "Mrs. Morelle's assorted mix of random food left in the fridge."
20100730 06:36:22< shadowmaster> it's also a poor attempt of mine at photographing food. Apparently I don't have the ability to make it look good.
20100730 06:36:34< shadowmaster> the bad lighting didn't help
20100730 06:36:44< shadowmaster> this might look better: http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/shadowm2006/food-2.jpg
20100730 06:37:25< Espreon> There's too much noise.
20100730 06:37:37< shadowmaster> hm. try zooming out
20100730 06:38:03< shadowmaster> (the lens is a bit dusty)
20100730 06:38:21< Espreon> No.
20100730 06:38:41< shadowmaster> funny I found these while trying to upload a screenshot to Photobucket. I took them last year at some point
20100730 06:38:44< Espreon> Now to go finish that white glutinous rice so that I can prepare the black glutinous rice.
20100730 06:43:45< Espreon> The thing that I love about white glutinous rice is that when I put soy sauce on it, I can actually taste the soy sauce.
20100730 06:44:04< Espreon> ... and not just a weak, unsatisfying hint of it.
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20100730 06:53:55< shadowmaster> I'll unlog #wesnoth-es
20100730 06:54:07< shadowmaster> it doesn't make sense to continue logging it since it's just unused
20100730 06:54:15< Espreon> Indeed.
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20100730 06:58:51< shadowmaster> blub blub testing laptop session logging
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20100730 06:59:57< shadowmaster> they are all using the wrong file pattern, so whatever
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20100730 07:01:17< shadowmaster> :/
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20100730 07:03:55< shadowmaster> what the hell irssi?
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20100730 07:07:03< shadowmaster> you know, it sucks that I haven't really got IRC lpgging workign properly on my laptop.
20100730 07:07:41< shadowmaster> hm, irssi insists on ignoring my config
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20100730 07:09:02< shadowmaster> it seems that the obvious method (editing the config file directly) doesn't work that well. using /set worked
20100730 07:09:29< shadowmaster> ahhh, irssi expects that escape sequence as \\, not just \, that's why :/
20100730 07:10:07< shadowmaster> Note to self: "Topic for #irssi: [...] | Do *not* edit the config file by hand | [...]" isn't there just for the sake of it
20100730 07:17:51< shadowmaster> Espreon: #wesnoth-es is closed now.
20100730 07:18:36< Espreon> I see...
20100730 07:19:11< shadowmaster> too bad.
20100730 07:19:21< shadowmaster> #wesnoth-de seems to be the only channel that really works, for translators.
20100730 07:20:04< shadowmaster> most of the time there's no talk but at least there's people who join
20100730 07:21:08< shadowmaster> oh, and Aethaeryn's #wesnoth-la
20100730 07:23:39< shadowmaster> hm
20100730 07:24:23< shadowmaster> damn, it seems the uni didn't accept my last course requests
20100730 07:24:43< shadowmaster> that might be a major problem :/
20100730 07:31:10< Espreon> Now to make soba...
20100730 07:38:44< Espreon> shadowmaster: BTW, an IRL friend of mine is saying that I need to look at TVTropes some moar...
20100730 07:38:48< Espreon> Well guess what?
20100730 07:38:49< Espreon> No.
20100730 07:41:01< shadowmaster> Espreon the Hermit.
20100730 07:41:10< shadowmaster> grumpy, rejecting all kinds of new stuff.
20100730 07:41:33< Espreon> No, I've been on TVTropes at least ten times.
20100730 07:41:40< shadowmaster> even I became a Twitter user.
20100730 07:41:47< Espreon> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
20100730 07:42:08< Espreon> Now to go back to KDE 4.5... for realz!
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20100730 07:43:48< shadowmaster> Espreon: meh, you children and your memes.
20100730 07:44:05< Espreon> But memes are actually amusing.
20100730 07:44:16< shadowmaster> not if they are overused.
20100730 07:44:22< shadowmaster> or old.
20100730 07:44:36< shadowmaster> also, not if they don't fit in the context.
20100730 07:45:01< Espreon> One time, I desu'd my craptop... it slowed down quite a bit when I kept copying and pasting all of that desu in notepad...
20100730 07:45:03< shadowmaster> it's good for comedic purposes, but imagine if I committed to mainline with something like "fixed over nine thousand gcc 4.4 warnings"
20100730 07:45:20< shadowmaster> lame
20100730 07:45:34< Espreon> But, what if you actually did fix over ninethousand gcc 4.4 warnings?
20100730 07:45:39< Espreon> *nine thousand
20100730 07:45:49< Espreon> shadowmaster: Hey, 'tis true.
20100730 07:45:54< shadowmaster> I'd say
20100730 07:45:57< Espreon> ... and it was a really crappy laptop.
20100730 07:46:14< shadowmaster> "Fixed warnings about pointer signedness on gcc 4.4"
20100730 07:46:17< shadowmaster> or suchlike
20100730 07:49:52< Espreon> Tch...
20100730 08:07:10< Espreon> Byez.
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20100730 08:38:33< shadowmaster> hi timotei 
20100730 08:38:41< timotei> hi shadowmaster 
20100730 08:39:09< timotei> shadowmaster: you're lucky. the new free webhost is stupid, I cannot use gmail smtp.
20100730 08:39:16< timotei> shadowmaster: so I will search for others :D
20100730 08:39:17< shadowmaster> hm?
20100730 08:39:29< shadowmaster> why I'm lucky?
20100730 08:39:37< timotei> The last webhost was perfect, but didn't allow mass email, which I really need
20100730 08:39:46< shadowmaster> also, my website uses the provider's servers sendmail() function
20100730 08:39:48< timotei> well, lucky I don't have to use the 'suspicious' free webhost
20100730 08:40:16< shadowmaster> I would never, *never* give anyone else myy email account's information
20100730 08:40:46< timotei> well, it's a ... shared email 
20100730 08:40:49< timotei> not my personal :)
20100730 08:41:05< shadowmaster> still. You don't want people using your shared email for spam, do you? :P
20100730 08:41:30< timotei> Umm, you're right.
20100730 08:42:09< shadowmaster> nearlyfreespeech.net has worked well for me all these years, although it's paid, and I'm sponsored by a contact from other forum.
20100730 08:42:26< shadowmaster> note: I'm not paid for advertising NFS.net.
20100730 08:43:22< timotei> of course you're not paid for advertising :P
20100730 08:43:39< timotei> well.. I don't wanna pay for something that's not primarly use for me...
20100730 08:43:58< timotei> If only my university would gave me free space :-<
20100730 08:44:07< shadowmaster> bleh.
20100730 08:44:20< shadowmaster> and then steal it from you at any moment? sucks
20100730 08:44:40< shadowmaster> well, it always depends on what the Terms of Service are.
20100730 08:46:17< timotei> Whos TOS?
20100730 08:47:24< shadowmaster> anyone's. :P
20100730 08:47:31< timotei> oh
20100730 08:48:39< timotei> well, the mail() function... is stupid:
20100730 08:48:43< timotei> E-mail error
20100730 08:48:43< timotei> » EMAIL/PHP/mail()
20100730 08:48:44< timotei> so yeahz
20100730 08:48:49< timotei> s/yeahz/yeah
20100730 08:49:06< shadowmaster> sendmail()
20100730 08:49:21< timotei> hmm, you might be right
20100730 08:49:41< shadowmaster> ouch.
20100730 08:49:42< shadowmaster> no, actually I'm not
20100730 08:49:50< shadowmaster> http://php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php
20100730 08:50:09< timotei> haha, with sendmail: E-mail error
20100730 08:50:10< timotei> » EMAIL/PHP/mail()
20100730 08:50:37 * shadowmaster . O o (good that I never have to worry about that stuff and phpBB and Serendipity just *work* provided the host's MTA works)
20100730 08:50:49< timotei> :P
20100730 08:52:24< shadowmaster> I'd also like to fix my laptop's MTA so I can submit data to Debian's popcon database (popularity contest, for updating usage statistics of the official archive's packages)
20100730 08:52:53< timotei> MTA?
20100730 08:53:42< timotei> umm, it seems: A message that you sent was rejected by the local scanning code that
20100730 08:53:42< timotei> checks incoming messages on this system. The following error was given:
20100730 08:53:42< timotei>   This server doesn't send mail for gmail.com.
20100730 08:53:52< timotei> I hate non-verbose error messages
20100730 08:54:08< timotei> and I hate when fsockopen() is not available:|
20100730 08:59:47< shadowmaster> timotei: Mail Transport Agent.
20100730 08:59:54< timotei> oh. ok
20100730 09:00:53< shadowmaster> many sites such as wesnoth.org will set up their MTA to be able to send emails as coming from the host
20100730 09:00:58< shadowmaster> i.e. @wesnoth.org
20100730 09:01:06< timotei> aha
20100730 09:01:20< shadowmaster> your phpBB 3 setup sends as forums@wesnoth.org, for example
20100730 09:01:25< shadowmaster> *our
20100730 09:02:47< timotei> yeah
20100730 09:34:29< timotei> shadowmaster: god... the wml grammar is so hard
20100730 09:34:48< timotei> when I tought it was ready, I found other issues...
20100730 09:36:46< shadowmaster> like set_variables.literal and set_variables.value's ability to drive the grammar off-the-rails ?
20100730 09:37:01< timotei> no...
20100730 09:37:03< timotei> things like:
20100730 09:37:12< timotei> key={macro} + ""
20100730 09:37:14< shadowmaster> s/ability/purpose/
20100730 09:37:27< shadowmaster> timotei: that's more like preprocessor stuff
20100730 09:37:34< shadowmaster> then again I'm not familiarized with what you are doing.
20100730 09:38:01< timotei> I have to write a gramamar in something like ANTLR that will match wml code...
20100730 09:38:15< timotei> so I can construct based on that autocomplete, and stuff like this
20100730 09:38:15< timotei> :D
20100730 09:39:22< timotei> until now had worked up to 90% of wml 
20100730 09:39:28< timotei> but tried that on mainline campaigns
20100730 09:39:34< timotei> and got some pretty much errors
20100730 09:40:14< timotei> HA:O
20100730 09:40:34< timotei> just fixed the key={macro} + "thing" :D
20100730 09:40:50< timotei> now need to handlle with stuff like:
20100730 09:40:57< timotei> key1,key2=values
20100730 09:41:07< timotei> why didn't they made a stricter syntax?
20100730 09:41:52< timotei> anyway shadowmaster did you try the plugin?:D
20100730 09:42:05< timotei> it really is somewhat nice  till now
20100730 09:42:09< shadowmaster> hm. no.
20100730 09:42:19< timotei> don't you want to?:)
20100730 09:42:22< shadowmaster> firstly because I'm not doing WML stuff atm, and because I don't like Eclipse.
20100730 09:42:29< shadowmaster> also, the correct syntax is
20100730 09:42:49< timotei> well, we'll make the no-eclipse executable, which consist of just the plain plugin :D
20100730 09:43:18< shadowmaster> key1[,key2[,key3[...]]]=literal1[,literal2[,literal3[...]]]
20100730 09:43:30< shadowmaster> the number of keys must be the same as the number of literals
20100730 09:43:33< timotei> well, I handled all kind of things after the =
20100730 09:43:36< shadowmaster> also note that attribute="this is a literal"
20100730 09:43:41< shadowmaster> attribute=this is a literal too
20100730 09:43:47< timotei> yeah
20100730 09:43:54< shadowmaster> be careful to confuse x="1,2,3,4" as in move unit fake specifications with:
20100730 09:43:58< shadowmaster> x,y="1,2"
20100730 09:44:09< shadowmaster> and particularly, x,y="1,2,3,4","1,2,3,4"
20100730 09:44:27< shadowmaster> which I've used in a few occasions to reduce MUF statements' size
20100730 09:44:59< shadowmaster> notice that the last example is a pair of literals while the x= example is only one literal which happens to contain a string describing a comma-separated list.
20100730 09:45:03< shadowmaster> but surely you already know all this :P
20100730 09:45:35< timotei> you know, I don't want to kill myself
20100730 09:45:41< shadowmaster> hm.
20100730 09:45:44< timotei> so I just let the user input whatever they want after the =
20100730 09:45:55< shadowmaster> oh, by the way I meant:   x,y="1","2"   above
20100730 09:46:04< shadowmaster> alternatively the nonquoted implict version,   x,y=1,2
20100730 09:46:24< timotei> damn, I knew it. when wanting to support:
20100730 09:46:26< timotei> x,y=
20100730 09:46:29< timotei> it hates me
20100730 09:46:39< timotei> if I do this:
20100730 09:46:43< timotei> x,y=34,45 
20100730 09:46:48< timotei> will take 45 as a new key
20100730 09:46:50< timotei> :(
20100730 09:47:34< timotei> damn, from 19 errors to 69:(
20100730 09:48:12< shadowmaster> I wonder if you have considered [+tags] already
20100730 09:48:22< timotei> that was a bliss
20100730 09:48:32< timotei> WMLTag:
20100730 09:48:32< timotei> 	'[' (plus?='+')? name=ID ']'
20100730 09:48:33< timotei> :P
20100730 09:48:52< shadowmaster> okay.
20100730 09:48:56< timotei> do you want to see the current grammar?:D
20100730 09:48:59< timotei> it's pretty simple
20100730 09:49:14< shadowmaster> I'm not good at formal specifications
20100730 09:49:18< shadowmaster> especially in code.
20100730 09:49:22< timotei> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/huj88cCf
20100730 09:49:23< timotei> :P
20100730 09:49:28< timotei> me neither :))
20100730 09:50:36< shadowmaster> :(
20100730 09:50:49< timotei> actually is not that
20100730 09:50:57< timotei> but the wml language is just too... free
20100730 09:51:04< timotei> or, at least I think so
20100730 09:52:04< shadowmaster> yes.
20100730 09:52:21< shadowmaster> it's very complicated to write a parser that can implement the WML language 100% like Wesnoth
20100730 09:52:36< timotei> hmm, ok, tried another route
20100730 09:53:56< timotei> and errors like this: Decision can match input such as "RULE_ID" using multiple alternatives: 1, 2
20100730 09:53:58< timotei> drive me crazy
20100730 09:56:31< timotei> ok, now poor timotei, handle things like: name=linaeras_side[$i].id
20100730 09:56:43< timotei> since the [ ] are 'tags' keyword
20100730 09:57:20< timotei> well, I'll take a breakfast break
20100730 09:57:21< timotei> brb
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20100730 10:47:05< timotei> lol
20100730 10:47:08< timotei> 0b freespace
20100730 10:47:08< timotei> :O
20100730 10:47:10< timotei> dman
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20100730 11:09:15< timotei> damn it. I won't support arrays and period
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20100730 13:33:27< Gambit> Note to self, when you put words in zookeeper's mouth, make sure beyond any shadow of a doubt they're absolutely correct. http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=446506#p446506
20100730 13:33:44< Gambit> In fact you should probably do that with anyone...
20100730 13:35:50< Gambit> In fact, besides that, one should actually know some WML before giving WML advice.
20100730 14:01:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: Wow. You really did delete the post. Ha.
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20100730 14:35:57< timotei> loonycyborg: Rhonda is actually a girl????
20100730 14:36:01< timotei> ok, a she???
20100730 14:36:22< loonycyborg> She's a she afaik.
20100730 14:36:33< timotei> uau
20100730 14:36:33< timotei> :D
20100730 14:36:44< loonycyborg> And it doesn't really matter on irc.
20100730 14:36:47< timotei> didn't know we had 'she's here besides kitty
20100730 14:39:59< timotei> Why it doesn't matter?
20100730 14:49:21< loonycyborg> Why would that matter? :/
20100730 14:50:04< timotei> Well... I think it's a personal opinion :P
20100730 14:50:13< timotei> Usually 'shes' are nicer:-"
20100730 14:52:00< loonycyborg> In many cases presense of 'she's causes douchebag behaviors in so-called 'he's
20100730 14:54:40< loonycyborg> So IMO it's better forget that there's gender on internet..
20100730 14:57:15< timotei> right
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20100730 18:29:35< Gambit> It (because it's a singular light) is wired into the f'ing power button :\
20100730 18:30:08< Gambit> I'm surprised it even ran as full of dust as it was though. It was like a vaccum filter bah inside o_O
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20100730 20:19:41< fendrin> wesbot: seen zerovirus?
20100730 20:19:41<+wesbot> fendrin: Queried user last spoke 1h 47m ago.  Zerovirus is currently on the channel #wesnoth.
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20100730 20:58:08< Gambit> Hmmm a Crushmaster campaign...
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20100730 20:59:19< Blarumyrran> You have to give him some credit
20100730 20:59:41< Blarumyrran> Iirc he was very young - but he acts very maturely even if coming from a completely different background that most of us
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