--- Log opened Thu Jul 01 00:00:01 2010 --- Day changed Thu Jul 01 2010 20100701 00:00:01< Gambit> cut, print, release 20100701 00:00:22< PeterPorty> Dig'n Harvest 20100701 00:01:15< Gambit> Or just "Dig" 20100701 00:01:18< Gambit> Hmmm 20100701 00:01:27< Gambit> Well I'll have plent of time before I stick it on the addon server 20100701 00:01:37< PeterPorty> Din n' Harvest 20100701 00:01:38 * Gambit doesn't release things there until 1.0 20100701 00:01:58< Gambit> Too many people these days are all to happy to place unfinished shite on the addon server. 20100701 00:02:08< Gambit> And it's begining to give addons in general a bad name. 20100701 00:02:18< Elvish_Pillager> hah 1.0 20100701 00:02:24< PeterPorty> yeah. 20100701 00:02:31< Elvish_Pillager> Your version numbers are bloated :p 20100701 00:03:55< PeterPorty> dude, in all the soldier wml, theres nowhere that says the unic can't get traits. 20100701 00:04:07< PeterPorty> Gambit ^ 20100701 00:04:29< Gambit> PeterPorty: It has no race! 20100701 00:04:34< Gambit> Races assign traits you ninny. 20100701 00:04:59< PeterPorty> but... 20100701 00:05:07< PeterPorty> still. 20100701 00:08:09-!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Necrosporus, Rhonda, drry, shadowmaster, PeterPorty, AnMaster, Polarina, Valkier, crimson_penguin, Tycale, (+43 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 20100701 00:08:14-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100701 00:08:55-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db232d0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:08:56-!- Netsplit over, joins: noy, Soliton, shadowmaster, fabi, wesbot, Rhonda, elias, apoi, Blueblaze, Gambit (+43 more) 20100701 00:09:21-!- shikadibot [~shikadi@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20100701 00:09:24-!- shikadibot [~shikadi@wesnoth/umc-dev/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:09:45-!- lobby [~wesnoth@wesnoth/bot/lobby] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20100701 00:09:55-!- lobby [~wesnoth@wesnoth/bot/lobby] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:09:55-!- Topic for #wesnoth: Wesnoth User Channel | wesnoth.org | http://addons.wesnoth.org | latest stable version: 1.8.2 | public IRC logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com | http://imagebin.org 20100701 00:09:55-!- Topic set by Ivanovic [~ivanovic@wesnoth/developer/ivanovic] [Wed Jun 2 11:28:17 2010] 20100701 00:09:55[Users #wesnoth] 20100701 00:09:55[ ABCD ] [ drry ] [ Gambit ] [ lobby ] [ PeterPorty ] [ Soliton ] 20100701 00:09:55[ Aethaeryn ] [ Electric_Brain ] [ grzywacz ] [ MadMerlin ] [ phlaem ] [ Tucos ] 20100701 00:09:55[ AnMaster ] [ elias ] [ harryBer ] [ Miccoh ] [ Polarina ] [ Tycale ] 20100701 00:09:55[ apoi ] [ Elvish_Pillager ] [ Ivanovic ] [ mrDuck ] [ pyshee ] [ Valkier ] 20100701 00:09:55[ BenUrban ] [ elvish_sovereign] [ iwaim_ ] [ namad7 ] [ Queenie ] [ Vetinari_ ] 20100701 00:09:55[ Blarumyrran ] [ erl ] [ John_R ] [ Necrosporus] [ Rhonda ] [ Vornicus ] 20100701 00:09:55[ Blueblaze ] [ Espreon ] [ KamusHadenes] [ nguyenatto ] [ shadowmaster ] [ VurtualRuler98] 20100701 00:09:55[ chris| ] [ ettin ] [ Kivi ] [ Nissarin ] [ shikadibot ] [ wesbot ] 20100701 00:09:55[ crimson_penguin] [ fabi ] [ knotwork ] [ noy ] [ Smar ] [ Xjs|moonshine ] 20100701 00:09:55[ DiRaven ] [ G-Lo ] [ koan ] [ olik ] [ SoftlySp1inter] 20100701 00:09:55-!- Irssi: #wesnoth: Total of 59 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 59 normal] 20100701 00:09:56-!- Home page for #wesnoth: http://www.wesnoth.org 20100701 00:10:00-!- Channel #wesnoth created Sun Nov 26 07:42:43 2006 20100701 00:10:56-!- MikeJB [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:11:04-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20100701 00:11:08-!- Irssi: Join to #wesnoth was synced in 81 secs 20100701 00:11:11-!- MikeJB is now known as Aethaeryn 20100701 00:11:19-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@wesnoth/developer/grzywacz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 00:13:47< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=30589 20100701 00:13:49< Gambit> 0.1^ 20100701 00:14:02< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: If you're still interested at all ^ 20100701 00:14:07< PeterPorty> Gambit, in your addon, it says the units are race AE cavernei... don't even know what that is. 20100701 00:14:22< Gambit> wtf 20100701 00:14:31< Gambit> PeterPorty: Yeah you have serious issues 20100701 00:14:40< PeterPorty> huh? 20100701 00:14:42< PeterPorty> why me!? 20100701 00:14:49< Gambit> Because they have no race! 20100701 00:15:16< PeterPorty> in-game it says they have! 20100701 00:15:24< Gambit> Well your game is clearly delusional 20100701 00:15:27< Gambit> Or a liar. 20100701 00:15:28< Gambit> Or both. 20100701 00:15:45< Gambit> My in game just lists a blank (as it should?) 20100701 00:23:09< PeterPorty> well, Cavernei are from Agless Era... 20100701 00:23:15< PeterPorty> Ageless* 20100701 00:23:46< Gambit> nothing is from agless era 20100701 00:23:50< PeterPorty> and... when I click description on ur units, they are listed under AE_ Cavernei 20100701 00:23:51< Gambit> technically speaking 20100701 00:23:55< PeterPorty> well. 20100701 00:24:10< PeterPorty> I'll erase AE, hope that solves the problem. 20100701 00:24:11< Gambit> PeterPorty: well I wish I knew from whence the conflict came 20100701 00:24:22< Gambit> I've appended all my unit names with HT_ 20100701 00:24:26< Gambit> *unit ids 20100701 00:24:31< PeterPorty> maybe your unit ID are the same 20100701 00:24:34< PeterPorty> oh. 20100701 00:24:52< PeterPorty> maybe there is another HT_ guy somewhere... 20100701 00:24:54< PeterPorty> :D 20100701 00:26:19< PeterPorty> brb. 20100701 00:26:37-!- ABCD [~abcd@gentoo/developer/abcd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 00:29:09-!- Tucos [~tucos@unaffiliated/tucos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20100701 00:31:54-!- sevis [~sevis@188.91.121.147] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:33:54-!- ABCD [~abcd@gentoo/developer/abcd] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:34:55< PeterPorty> Gambit, you changed the map. 20100701 00:34:58< PeterPorty> brb, gotta p 20100701 00:37:08< PeterPorty> -.- Now it says they are from the clockwork dwarves... 20100701 00:37:33-!- ABCD [~abcd@gentoo/developer/abcd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 00:37:47< Gambit> so it's grabbing the first race it can find in alphabetical order 20100701 00:38:15< Gambit> PeterPorty: 1.8.2? 20100701 00:38:22< Gambit> Maybe you should reinstall. 20100701 00:38:24< PeterPorty> Of course. 20100701 00:38:28< PeterPorty> you think? 20100701 00:38:40< Gambit> In fact definitly after that whole mix up with the phantom terrains the other day. 20100701 00:38:42< PeterPorty> I was planning on deleting every add on I have... 20100701 00:38:51< Gambit> Units with no race go under "Miscellaneous" 20100701 00:39:04< Gambit> (spelling error maybe) 20100701 00:39:22< PeterPorty> :) 20100701 00:39:23< Gambit> PeterPorty: What about your "other wesnoth"? 20100701 00:39:25< Gambit> The one that works? 20100701 00:39:36< PeterPorty> well, I deleted the other one... 20100701 00:39:42< PeterPorty> this one is the one that works... 20100701 00:39:42-!- Asherontas [5545cbef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.69.203.239] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:39:50< Gambit> oh 20100701 00:40:04< PeterPorty> ok, done 20100701 00:40:07< PeterPorty> now it works 20100701 00:40:17< PeterPorty> it was a problem with EE 20100701 00:40:35< PeterPorty> or whatever era contains clockwork dwarves. 20100701 00:40:37< Gambit> Wanna play then? 20100701 00:40:41< PeterPorty> sure 20100701 00:40:44< PeterPorty> I'll join 20100701 00:41:16< Gambit> hosted 20100701 00:41:32< PeterPorty> anyone else coming? 20100701 00:41:42< PeterPorty> seems not 20100701 00:46:00-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:46:11< PeterPorty> Welcome Back 20100701 00:47:44-!- ABCD [~abcd@gentoo/developer/abcd] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:48:28-!- Tucos [~tucos@unaffiliated/tucos] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:49:04-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100701 00:49:31-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:52:07-!- Unnheulu [52050b21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.5.11.33] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 00:56:52-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #wesnoth [] 20100701 01:02:12-!- shadowm_laptop [ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 01:03:05-!- Unnheulu [52050b21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.5.11.33] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20100701 01:04:36-!- Tycale_ [~Thibault@viki-network.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 01:04:41-!- phlaem [~a@e178090100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20100701 01:05:36-!- Tycale [~Thibault@viki-network.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20100701 01:06:09-!- ABCD [~abcd@gentoo/developer/abcd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 01:06:45-!- Caboose [4b583e0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.88.62.12] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 01:11:32< Gambit> PeterPorty: No. 20100701 01:11:38< Gambit> I *want* them to obliterate the map 20100701 01:11:39< PeterPorty> ... 20100701 01:11:42< Gambit> it keeps the game moving :D 20100701 01:11:45< PeterPorty> ok. 20100701 01:12:01< PeterPorty> I gtg now, bbl, I need to read a book to my bro. 20100701 01:12:03< PeterPorty> c ya 20100701 01:12:06-!- BenUrban [~benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20100701 01:12:08< Gambit> I want their greed to get the better of them. 20100701 01:12:10< Gambit> PeterPorty: okay bye 20100701 01:12:25< Gambit> I want them to destroy the planet with their silly machines to fund their silly war 20100701 01:12:35< Gambit> This addon has a moral! 20100701 01:14:34< Gambit> and like I said in the thread; by having the map constantly shrinking in order to fund the battle, it sets a clear and definite end point 20100701 01:15:29< Gambit> this is pretty much the opposite of GEB 20100701 01:15:34< Gambit> you can't build, you can only destroy 20100701 01:15:39< Gambit> it is really short 20100701 01:15:59< Gambit> you have scarcity instead of overabundance 20100701 01:16:05< Gambit> there are very few gameplay elements 20100701 01:18:15< Caboose> So, Gambit 20100701 01:18:31< Caboose> I was played GEB merrily with 2 of my friends 20100701 01:18:36< Caboose> And I found out 2 things 20100701 01:18:59< Caboose> I have no idea how to get missiles, And the GEB extended units don't have art, At least most of them. 20100701 01:21:20< Aethaeryn> :o 20100701 01:21:53-!- mrDuck [~kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20100701 01:21:54< Aethaeryn> Gambit: is your GEB divided into requires-download and not-requires-download? 20100701 01:22:09< Caboose> No, The original GEB has cow units from ranches 20100701 01:22:15< Caboose> That still require a download. 20100701 01:22:16< Aethaeryn> oh 20100701 01:22:38< Caboose> If you can keep everyone from getting cows, Then yeah, You could play it without a download 20100701 01:22:40< Caboose> But otherwise 20100701 01:25:09-!- ABCD [~abcd@gentoo/developer/abcd] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 01:25:25< Gambit> Caboose: This is the kind of thing I'd like posted in the thread. 20100701 01:25:29< Gambit> I tend to forget bugs. 20100701 01:25:38< Gambit> Aethaeryn: But yes it's supposed to be. 20100701 01:25:42< Gambit> There are two eras that come with it. 20100701 01:26:10< Gambit> Caboose: There are no missles? 20100701 01:26:17< Caboose> Yes, But unfortunately in the first era (Last I knew = 1.6.5) You could recruit cows from ranches 20100701 01:26:23< Caboose> And that would d/c anyone without the era 20100701 01:26:31< Caboose> I don't know how to get them. 20100701 01:26:50< Caboose> They're in the help file under bombs, But I'm not sure what tech is required to get to them 20100701 01:27:44< Gambit> Hmmm 20100701 01:30:28< Aethaeryn> ah, okay 20100701 01:30:32< Aethaeryn> interesting 20100701 01:36:44-!- Asherontas [5545cbef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.69.203.239] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20100701 01:37:04-!- ancestral [~ancestral@97-116-104-133.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 01:40:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: is this the disorder he has? :D 20100701 01:40:26< Gambit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XISRRrgPCdE 20100701 01:40:44< shadowmaster> WKUK? 20100701 01:41:28< Gambit> yes but it has no obscenities or anything! 20100701 01:41:32< Gambit> it's good and funny 20100701 01:42:57< Gambit> shadowmaster: will you watch it? 20100701 01:43:09< shadowmaster> maybe 20100701 01:43:14-!- Nissarin [~nissarin@91.202.192.6] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20100701 01:43:40< Gambit> there are worse ways to spend 5:10 20100701 01:46:41< Caboose> By the way, You can infact still recruit cows in the normal GEB era 20100701 01:47:16< Gambit> Caboose: bug D: 20100701 01:47:31< Gambit> if only TSI's cow images were in core :( 20100701 01:47:42< Caboose> Don't worry man, Bugs make me sadface too. 20100701 01:47:52< Caboose> We'll get through this together, Though. 20100701 01:49:46-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20100701 01:54:30< shadowmaster> Gambit: wrong 20100701 01:54:46< Gambit> shadowmaster: ? 20100701 01:55:10< shadowmaster> that's more like an Attention ***** 20100701 01:57:16< Gambit> shadowmaster: Right. That's a tiny part of the joke. He mistakes what ADD is. 20100701 01:57:57< Gambit> but okay I see what you mean. I asked if that was the disorder he had. :P 20100701 01:58:10< Gambit> I can't figure out why I asked that here though. 20100701 01:58:26< Gambit> Should have been in umc-dev 20100701 02:01:28-!- Miccoh [~Miccoh@hoasnet-fe1fdd00-57.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20100701 02:03:49-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 02:03:53< Hulavuta> Hi 20100701 02:06:34-!- drry [~drry@unaffiliated/drry] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100701 02:07:08-!- drry [~drry@unaffiliated/drry] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 02:11:59-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #wesnoth [] 20100701 02:13:25< Caboose> Hulavuta makes me laugh. 20100701 02:15:12-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure.] 20100701 02:16:29< PeterPorty> me too. 20100701 02:23:20-!- BenUrban [~benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 02:33:31-!- G-Lo [~Prop@unaffiliated/g-lo] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20100701 02:35:51-!- ancestral [~ancestral@97-116-104-133.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: And that’s the end of THAT chapter.] 20100701 02:39:56-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 02:56:52-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@131.181.103.21] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 03:03:12< elvish_sovereign> hi 20100701 03:03:23< shadowmaster> hi there 20100701 03:08:35< Blarumyrran> hellooo 20100701 03:15:37-!- Elvish_Pillager [~eli@71-10-224-192.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20100701 03:16:23-!- Electric_Brain [~gerard@95.76.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 03:23:56-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 03:24:00< Hulavuta> Hi 20100701 03:24:13< PeterPorty> Hi. 20100701 03:24:36< PeterPorty> why the hell have you come here 10 times today and just said 'Hi' and left? 20100701 03:25:12< Hulavuta> Because no one else was talking, and I have other things to do than sit around at a computer all day 20100701 03:25:17< Hulavuta> Like right now, I have to take a shower 20100701 03:25:34< PeterPorty> ...so u just come by to say 'Hi' and leave. 20100701 03:26:00< Hulavuta> No 20100701 03:26:26< Gambit> Hulavuta: get a real IRC client 20100701 03:26:32< Gambit> Let it sit around at your computer all day 20100701 03:26:37< Gambit> it lets you know when someone yells at you 20100701 03:26:54< Hulavuta> What do you recommend? 20100701 03:27:04< Gambit> I've used pidgin and quassel 20100701 03:27:09< Hulavuta> I use Pidgin 20100701 03:27:14< Gambit> both will minimize to task bar with no sounds 20100701 03:27:22< Hulavuta> I use Pidgin, how do I do that? 20100701 03:27:25< Gambit> *no sounds and no popups 20100701 03:27:36< Gambit> Hulavuta: you must add the server as an account 20100701 03:27:39< Gambit> and the channels as buddies 20100701 03:28:05< Hulavuta> I added the channel as a buddy, 20100701 03:28:07< Hulavuta> I think 20100701 03:28:23< Hulavuta> Do I click "Add Chat"? 20100701 03:29:16< Hulavuta> Do I just select Remain in chat after window is closed ? 20100701 03:30:17< Hulavuta> Okay, I'm going to close it, and then somebody give me a message 20100701 03:30:45-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #wesnoth [] 20100701 03:30:45< Gambit> Hulavuta: HAI 20100701 03:30:51-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 03:30:54-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #wesnoth [] 20100701 03:30:54< Gambit> I must have killed him. 20100701 03:30:55-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 03:30:58-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #wesnoth [] 20100701 03:31:03-!- Hulavuta [~Jeremy@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 03:31:05< Gambit> Hulavuta: You have to set it to be persistent! 20100701 03:31:08< Gambit> OI! 20100701 03:31:13< Hulavuta> Ok 20100701 03:31:13< Gambit> Right click it 20100701 03:31:16< Gambit> and set persistent 20100701 03:31:18< Hulavuta> Ok 20100701 03:31:19< Gambit> and auto join 20100701 03:31:25< Hulavuta> I did 20100701 03:31:26< Hulavuta> I did 20100701 03:31:29< Gambit> otherwise it spams us with quit message 20100701 03:31:41< Hulavuta> So what happens when you send a message? 20100701 03:31:57< Hulavuta> Did it give a quit message? 20100701 03:33:27-!- Hulavuta_ [6164112f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.100.17.47] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 03:33:31< Hulavuta_> Test 20100701 03:33:45< Hulavuta> Urg 20100701 03:33:54< Hulavuta> I'm going to take a shower, I'll be back 20100701 03:33:58-!- Hulavuta_ [6164112f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.100.17.47] has quit [Client Quit] 20100701 03:34:47-!- hulavuta_ [6164112f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.100.17.47] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 03:34:57< Gambit> :s 20100701 03:35:02< Hulavuta> What? 20100701 03:35:20< Hulavuta> I'm just going to go on the Pidgin site and look it up 20100701 03:35:23< Hulavuta> After I take a show 20100701 03:35:26< Hulavuta> *shower 20100701 03:35:31-!- hulavuta_ [6164112f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.100.17.47] has quit [Client Quit] 20100701 03:35:38< Gambit> I can't think right now. 20100701 03:35:43< Hulavuta> That's fine 20100701 03:35:45< Hulavuta> Brb 20100701 03:36:20-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20100701 03:36:22-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@131.181.103.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20100701 03:37:07< Hulavuta> Looks like my mom is using the shower, so...meh 20100701 03:37:52< Gambit> PeterPorty: no jokes. 20100701 03:37:59< Gambit> PeterPorty: So delete whatever you're typing right now. 20100701 03:38:15< PeterPorty> WTF 20100701 03:41:00-!- Blueblazed [~nick@adsl-99-148-247-235.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 03:41:48< Hulavuta> Gambit: So persistent lets me "stay" in the chat room, but is there anyway to make the little icon in the tray glow if there is a new message? 20100701 03:42:05< Gambit> Yes 20100701 03:42:11< Gambit> close it out right now and I'll highlight you 20100701 03:42:15< Hulavuta> Ok 20100701 03:42:16-!- Blueblaze [~nick@adsl-99-148-247-235.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20100701 03:42:23< Gambit> Hulavuta: hai! 20100701 03:42:32< Hulavuta> lolz it worked 20100701 03:42:38< Hulavuta> How did you do that? (Or did I do it?) 20100701 03:43:08< Gambit> You name. 20100701 03:43:22< Gambit> Hulavuta: How many Hulavutavezulas have you used today Hulavuta? 20100701 03:43:39< Hulavuta> So..I did it? 20100701 03:43:46< Gambit> No. 20100701 03:43:50< Gambit> I did it by saying your name. 20100701 03:43:54< Gambit> "Hulavuta" 20100701 03:44:10< Hulavuta> Oh 20100701 03:44:12< Gambit> In a real[er] client (like quassel) you can make it use things other than your name. 20100701 03:44:13< Hulavuta> I see 20100701 03:44:21< Gambit> Like "shadowm" will highlight shadowmaster. 20100701 03:44:22-!- Lancaster [~Miranda@123.115.251.52] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 03:44:25< Gambit> Or "Gamb" will catch me. 20100701 03:44:30< Hulavuta> So if someone wants to talk to me, it'll pop up 20100701 03:44:31< Hulavuta> Okay 20100701 03:44:31< Hulavuta> Cool 20100701 03:44:33< Gambit> "Gamby" or "shadowmamma" or something. 20100701 03:44:38< Hulavuta> Is there anyway to do it with any message? 20100701 03:44:52< Gambit> Not that I know of with pidgin. 20100701 03:44:56< Hulavuta> ok 20100701 03:45:02< Hulavuta> Last 20100701 03:45:09< Hulavuta> Is there anyway to open Wesnoth from the tray? 20100701 03:45:09< Gambit> I guess in one with regular expressions you could have it do just a wildcard. 20100701 03:45:12< Gambit> But that's annoying. 20100701 03:45:20< Gambit> Only when there's a new message. 20100701 03:45:24< Gambit> Otherwise it opens the buddy list. 20100701 03:45:30< Hulavuta> Ohhhhh 20100701 03:45:32< Hulavuta> Okay 20100701 03:45:34< Hulavuta> Let me try 20100701 03:45:38< Hulavuta> Don't use my name though 20100701 03:45:43< Hulavuta> I wanna see if it'll work 20100701 03:45:50< PeterPorty> Hula! u there? 20100701 03:46:09< PeterPorty> Hully? 20100701 03:46:10< Gambit> s/new message/new highlight/ 20100701 03:46:18< PeterPorty> Hulk? 20100701 03:47:30< Gambit> Hulavuta: I don't think it's working how you thought it would. 20100701 03:50:48-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 03:51:30-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Client Quit] 20100701 04:00:49< Hulavuta> It was working 20100701 04:00:55< Hulavuta> However I don't have a computer in the shower 20100701 04:01:19-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@131.181.18.246] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 04:01:25-!- Hulavuta_ [6164112f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.100.17.47] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 04:01:26< Hulavuta_> lalalala 20100701 04:01:39< Hulavuta_> Testing Testing Testing 20100701 04:01:48-!- Hulavuta_ [6164112f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.100.17.47] has quit [Client Quit] 20100701 04:02:35< Gambit> There's more people in the lobby right now running into the invalid terrain desert castle. 20100701 04:02:41< Gambit> There is some addon out there adding that to the default editor 20100701 04:02:45< Gambit> groups 20100701 04:02:50< Gambit> instead of to it's own group. 20100701 04:04:29< Hulavuta> What was the add-on? 20100701 04:04:42< Gambit> I don't know 20100701 04:04:55< Hulavuta> Of course 20100701 04:06:26< PeterPorty> see? 20100701 04:06:30< PeterPorty> it wasn't just me! 20100701 04:06:40< Hulavuta> So it only gives the task tray thing if the messages are specifically adressed to me? 20100701 04:06:50< shadowmaster> it seems to be Ageless Era anyway 20100701 04:10:27-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 04:10:44< Hulavuta> Oh good, I never use Ageless Era anyway 20100701 04:11:02< Hulavuta> Gambit: At least now I know that using the name auto-summons a person, lol 20100701 04:12:05< Gambit> Hulavuta: yep. that's why we do it. 20100701 04:12:59< Hulavuta> I actually just thought it was so that in large multi convos happening in one room, it was easier to tell who was talking to who 20100701 04:13:53< Gambit> That too. But except in the developer channel, everyone's ussually in the same conversation (at least from my experience). 20100701 04:13:58< Hulavuta> So now...do I work on campaign or fanfic..? 20100701 04:14:07< Gambit> campain! 20100701 04:14:13< Gambit> er paign 20100701 04:14:15< Hulavuta> why 20100701 04:14:29< Gambit> WML > plaintext 20100701 04:14:44< Hulavuta> Lol 20100701 04:14:44< Hulavuta> Ok 20100701 04:15:08< Hulavuta> I hate to beat a dead sheep (is that a phrase?) but have you finished any more of the campaign yet? 20100701 04:15:24< Gambit> nope 20100701 04:15:28< Hulavuta> :Lol 20100701 04:15:44< PeterPorty> he did an add-on though 20100701 04:15:46< Hulavuta> Well campaign work it is then 20100701 04:15:47< Gambit> I even deleted it (and all my other addons except one) to save 2 seconds of loading time on wesnoth. 20100701 04:15:52< Gambit> D: 20100701 04:15:53< Hulavuta> Lol 20100701 04:15:57< Gambit> But I still have the save 20100701 04:16:02< Hulavuta> That's good 20100701 04:16:03< Gambit> and it didn't take very long to download last time 20100701 04:16:16< Hulavuta> And if you do it again, it'll increase my download count. heheh 20100701 04:16:20< Gambit> 2 seconds adds up when you're loading several dozen times an hour 20100701 04:16:22 * Hulavuta turns on music to work 20100701 04:16:32< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: I meant my campaign 20100701 04:16:33< PeterPorty> why would you do that? 20100701 04:16:39< Hulavuta> I should really state that 20100701 04:16:45< Gambit> Hulavuta: oh well I'll just restore it from my recycle bin if you're worried about me skewing statistics ;) 20100701 04:17:24< Hulavuta> damn' 20100701 04:17:30< Gambit> haha 20100701 04:17:46 * Gambit goes to shoot things to take mind off of teeth pain 20100701 04:17:49-!- Polarina [~Polarina@wesnoth/translator/Polarina] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100701 04:17:53< Gambit> (shoot things virtually) 20100701 04:18:10< PeterPorty> oh... 20100701 04:18:13< PeterPorty> boring 20100701 04:18:16-!- Polarina [~Polarina@wesnoth/translator/Polarina] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 04:18:22< Hulavuta> What's boring? 20100701 04:18:23< PeterPorty> goo play some paintball 20100701 04:18:26< Hulavuta> oh 20100701 04:18:27< Hulavuta> lol 20100701 04:18:37< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: How's your campaign coming? 20100701 04:18:49< PeterPorty> haven't doone anything today 20100701 04:18:57< Hulavuta> Lol 20100701 04:19:00< Gambit> aww nobody is on to shoot things with 20100701 04:19:08< Gambit> It's not fun shooting things with strangers because they're stupid. 20100701 04:19:21< PeterPorty> kinda hard to work with teachers telling you to concentrate on the test 20100701 04:19:35< PeterPorty> although I always finish them in 30 minutes. 20100701 04:19:37< Hulavuta> Lol 20100701 04:19:44< Hulavuta> I want to do Paintball 20100701 04:19:49< PeterPorty> I'll shoot stuff with you, Gambit 20100701 04:19:50< Hulavuta> But it's too expensive :-( 20100701 04:20:00< Hulavuta> Over 1000 bucks for one week 20100701 04:20:12< Hulavuta> In America buck=Dollar 20100701 04:20:22< Gambit> PeterPorty: You don't have a ps3 20100701 04:20:37< PeterPorty> really? 20100701 04:20:42< PeterPorty> wasn't aware of that. 20100701 04:21:03< Hulavuta> Well it's slang 20100701 04:21:09< Hulavuta> Buck doesn't literally mean dollar 20100701 04:21:20< PeterPorty> pepsi said it was a ps3 when I won it 20100701 04:21:23< PeterPorty> we know Hula. 20100701 04:21:24< Hulavuta> Just like gay, fag, faggot, dike, etc. don't really mean Homosexual either lol 20100701 04:21:34< shadowmaster> wait- 20100701 04:21:42< shadowmaster> do you realize you are breaking the posting guidelines? 20100701 04:21:46< Hulavuta> Me? 20100701 04:21:50< shadowmaster> yes. 20100701 04:21:55< Hulavuta> How? 20100701 04:22:03< shadowmaster> language. 20100701 04:22:06< Hulavuta> Where? 20100701 04:22:12< Hulavuta> You mean the Rant topic? 20100701 04:22:17< Gambit> PeterPorty: You have a ps3 then? 20100701 04:22:22< shadowmaster> no, here. 20100701 04:22:28< Gambit> PeterPorty: Why have you ne'er told me? 20100701 04:22:32< Hulavuta> Today? 20100701 04:22:41-!- mode/#wesnoth [+q *!*@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] by ChanServ 20100701 04:22:41< PeterPorty> Gambit, and virtually every single game 20100701 04:22:47< PeterPorty> Gambit, u never asked 20100701 04:22:59< Gambit> PeterPorty: I'm suspicious. 20100701 04:23:17< PeterPorty> I've also never said I have a wii 20100701 04:27:30-!- mode/#wesnoth [-q *!*@47.17.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com] by ChanServ 20100701 04:27:44< Hulavuta> That was odd 20100701 04:28:03< PeterPorty> hahaha 20100701 04:28:17< Hulavuta> shadowmaster: I get it, no more homophobia and no more profanity 20100701 04:28:31< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: you want one for you? 20100701 04:28:55< PeterPorty> what? 20100701 04:28:59< PeterPorty> why? 20100701 04:29:00< shadowmaster> if not then don't taunt the voiceless :\ 20100701 04:30:16< Gambit> We're all voiceless. 20100701 04:30:31< Gambit> And we can't change the topic. :D 20100701 04:31:35< Gambit> shadowmaster: Admit it. You laughed. 20100701 04:31:50< shadowmaster> no 20100701 04:34:07< Hulavuta> How do you put a note in the objectives? 20100701 04:34:30< Caboose> Gambit is secretly an orc, I swear. 20100701 04:34:39< Hulavuta> No 20100701 04:34:42< Hulavuta> He's an X-Man 20100701 04:34:53< Caboose> Orcs can be X-men too. 20100701 04:35:15< Hulavuta> But Gambit is a character from X-Men 20100701 04:35:19< PeterPorty> Gambit is a dwarf 20100701 04:35:20< Hulavuta> So he's him 20100701 04:35:34< Hulavuta> Gambit's a super saiyan 20100701 04:35:46< Caboose> Gambit's power level is over nine thousand. 20100701 04:35:46< Hulavuta> Gambit: How do you put a note in the objectives? 20100701 04:35:52< Gambit> Why'm I secretly an orc or dwarf exactly? 20100701 04:35:59< PeterPorty> Gambit's something from the list hulavuta useed to get a free quiet pass 20100701 04:36:05< Hulavuta> Caboose! what does the scouter say about Gambit's power level??? 20100701 04:36:22< Caboose> I can't read alien T-T 20100701 04:36:41< Hulavuta> What 9000???!?!?! There's no way that can be right! Can it??!?!?!? 20100701 04:36:49< Gambit> Hulavuta: note= 20100701 04:36:55< Gambit> Hulavuta: also it's time to start weening you 20100701 04:36:59< Hulavuta> what you mean 20100701 04:37:00< Gambit> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/InterfaceActionsWML 20100701 04:37:01< PeterPorty> 9018, to be precise 20100701 04:37:02< Gambit> Hulavuta: ^^ 20100701 04:37:10< Hulavuta> Does it have to be in any tags? 20100701 04:37:12< Gambit> Note the column to the right. 20100701 04:37:20< Gambit> Hulavuta: it is an attribute of the [objectives] tag. 20100701 04:37:25< Hulavuta> Okay, 20100701 04:37:25< Caboose> The colomn to the right is bugged, I click it and nothing happens. 20100701 04:37:43< Caboose> That, Or it sends me to a random page that has nothing to do with the link that I clicked. 20100701 04:37:44< Hulavuta> Caboose, I heard I make you laugh 20100701 04:37:54< Caboose> I heard you like mudkipz. 20100701 04:38:02< Gambit> Caboose: Sometimes many tags are on the same page 20100701 04:38:06< Hulavuta> Treecko > Mudkip 20100701 04:38:12< Gambit> Totodile wins all. 20100701 04:38:18< Gambit> dejavu... 20100701 04:38:34< Caboose> Jigglypuff is mah bi.......friend.... 20100701 04:38:42< Gambit> ... 20100701 04:38:43< Hulavuta> 0_0 20100701 04:39:13< Hulavuta> How much Gold is a good bonus? 100 or 50? 20100701 04:39:38< Hulavuta> BTW Caboose: When you click on something on the column, it takes you to a page that contains that tag 20100701 04:39:48< Caboose> I see. 20100701 04:39:50< Hulavuta> Each tag doesn't have its own page 20100701 04:39:57< Hulavuta> Then you have to use ctrl f to find it 20100701 04:40:17< Gambit> assuming ctrl f is bound to a search bar of some sort 20100701 04:40:31< Caboose> I use firefox, It is. 20100701 04:40:33< Hulavuta> Yeah, well for most browsers 20100701 04:40:39< Hulavuta> I use Firefox too! 20100701 04:40:43< Gambit> (you could be in lynx) 20100701 04:40:45< Hulavuta> I should start the Firefox Fan Club 20100701 04:41:00< Caboose> Omg, Let's totally get together and talk about something that no one cares about 20100701 04:41:08< Caboose> Because we use the same internet browser 20100701 04:41:20< Caboose> Which is currently the 2nd most popular browser for the windows OS 20100701 04:41:38-!- Ivanovic_ [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db2bd0a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 04:42:09< Hulavuta> Lol 20100701 04:42:16< Hulavuta> Geez...I was just kidding 20100701 04:42:59< Caboose> Sorry, I am prone to trolling people without trying to. 20100701 04:43:13< Hulavuta> Even that sounded like a troll 20100701 04:43:21< Hulavuta> Main screen on! 20100701 04:43:43< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: er, no. 20100701 04:43:46< Hulavuta> Ok 20100701 04:43:54< Hulavuta> About main screen or the trolling? 20100701 04:43:54 * shadowmaster turns off the main screen 20100701 04:43:58-!- Ivanovic [~ivanovic@dtmd-4db232d0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20100701 04:44:04< Hulavuta> We lose signal 20100701 04:44:06< Hulavuta> oh noes 20100701 04:44:47< PeterPorty> I was once having a discussion about windows vs linux, and a random guy walks in and says 'dude, firefox is way better than linux!' 20100701 04:44:53< PeterPorty> :D 20100701 04:44:54< Hulavuta> lol 20100701 04:44:56< Caboose> ......Rofl. 20100701 04:45:17< PeterPorty> :) 20100701 04:45:22< Hulavuta> Firefox is a pretty cool dude. He uses ctrl f to search and doesn't afraid of anything 20100701 04:45:22< Caboose> Fail at trying to be a nerd. 20100701 04:45:35-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20100701 04:45:35< Caboose> "And doesn't afraid of anything" 20100701 04:45:47< Gambit> My super once told me about this call he got where a guy wanted help setting up a dial up connection. 20100701 04:45:48 * shadowmaster rolls eyes 20100701 04:45:50< PeterPorty> "He" 20100701 04:45:53< Hulavuta> I'm guessing you're not familiar with the terminology? 20100701 04:45:54< Gambit> He asked what operating system. 20100701 04:45:57< Hulavuta> Wait wrong word 20100701 04:46:00< Gambit> "Oh I made my own operating system" 20100701 04:46:05< Gambit> "Oh really? What did you call it?" 20100701 04:46:08< Hulavuta> This guy asked me how to download the internet 20100701 04:46:16< Gambit> "Uh. Windows 98" 20100701 04:46:22< PeterPorty> ... 20100701 04:46:22< Hulavuta> LOLOLOLOL 20100701 04:46:35< Hulavuta> Too bad Pidgin doesn't have good laughing faces 20100701 04:46:37< Gambit> Hulavuta: I had many calls about "Yeah... the wife deleted the internet." 20100701 04:46:49< Hulavuta> Sounds like my dad 20100701 04:46:52< Gambit> Hulavuta: Because the blue e *IS* the internet. 20100701 04:46:53< PeterPorty> ... 20100701 04:47:01< Hulavuta> He needed me to help him copy and paste a word file 20100701 04:47:12< Hulavuta> It took me like 10 times and he had to write it down 20100701 04:47:15< Hulavuta> He's writing a book you know 20100701 04:47:30< PeterPorty> mme too 20100701 04:47:40< Gambit> And my favorite was the "Okay I'm having a hard time understanding you. It says 180 no dial tone? Okay tell you what. Can you call us back from a regular phone? I can't understand you on the cell phone." 20100701 04:47:48< Gambit> "Umm no my home phone is out." 20100701 04:47:50< Gambit> -_- 20100701 04:48:38< Hulavuta> Gambit: Was he just unfamiliar with Operating Systems or did he want to trick you? 20100701 04:48:59< Caboose> I span the gap between hyper-intelligent humanoids, And utter troll. 20100701 04:49:14< Hulavuta> That why you got banned? 20100701 04:49:19< Gambit> Hulavuta: That one wasn't my call. I think he just confused simple installing with "putting his own operating system on it" 20100701 04:49:22< Caboose> :D 20100701 04:49:41< Hulavuta> Lol 20100701 04:49:46< Gambit> And then there's the Virgin Islanders... always begging us to start selling DSL to them. 20100701 04:49:57< Caboose> I could tell you why I got banned, But it's a really long story. 20100701 04:50:04< Hulavuta> Well I read it on the forum already lol 20100701 04:50:14< Gambit> And every single time you explain that the phone/dsl companies will not allow us to use their lines "Well can you please put up your own? We really need you!" 20100701 04:50:27-!- ancestral [~ancestral@97-116-104-133.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 04:50:31< Caboose> Sounds fun. 20100701 04:50:55< Gambit> I miss the job :( 20100701 04:51:10< Caboose> You should have recorded some of the funnier calls. 20100701 04:51:28< Hulavuta> :-/\ 20100701 04:51:40< Hulavuta> 0- 20100701 04:52:17< Caboose> Hulavuta is a lonely fellow. 20100701 04:52:23< Gambit> One part I don't miss was logging into other peoples emails... 20100701 04:52:32< Caboose> Rofl. 20100701 04:52:37< Gambit> Our customers would always have people sending them big things on dial up. 20100701 04:52:47< Gambit> And they'd ask us to log in to their webmail accounts to delete them. 20100701 04:52:53< Gambit> And you have to be *so* careful 20100701 04:52:59< Gambit> if you accidentally delte something 20100701 04:53:00< Hulavuta> Caboose: We've already been over this. And those last two messages were accidental 20100701 04:53:03< Gambit> if you didn't ask like 20 times 20100701 04:54:06< Caboose> Hulavuta: I know this, I'm just pointing it out to the world again. 20100701 04:54:21< Gambit> Hulavuta: Want to try my new addon "Breaking Ground"? 20100701 04:54:22< Gambit> :D 20100701 04:54:31< Gambit> Caboose: you too? 20100701 04:54:38< Caboose> Yes please. 20100701 04:55:06< Hulavuta> Caboose: Well I don't know if you intended it or not, but it kind of offends me 20100701 04:55:21< Caboose> Hulavuta: I don't mean it to offend you. 20100701 04:55:22< Hulavuta> Gambit: Is it the one with the flags and the peasants that we played with Zero? 20100701 04:55:27< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=30589 20100701 04:55:33< Gambit> Hulavuta: Yes but it's come quite far since then 20100701 04:55:47< Hulavuta> ok 20100701 04:56:27< Gambit> You'll have to download it. 20100701 04:56:30< Gambit> PeterPorty: You too? 20100701 04:56:40< PeterPorty> what? 20100701 04:56:55< Gambit> PeterPorty: Would you like to play that again? 20100701 04:56:59< Gambit> We'll have 4 people this time. 20100701 04:57:04< PeterPorty> sure 20100701 04:57:13< PeterPorty> only 1 game tho, kinda late... 20100701 04:57:25< Gambit> okay 20100701 04:57:30< Gambit> I have it hosted now 20100701 04:57:35< Gambit> so whenever you guys are ready 20100701 04:57:38< PeterPorty> k, joining lobby 20100701 04:57:47< Hulavuta> save me a spot 20100701 04:58:00< Hulavuta> I 20100701 04:58:05< PeterPorty> u r not there. 20100701 04:58:09< Hulavuta> am still using 1.8.0 so... 20100701 04:58:12< Hulavuta> wait 20100701 04:58:14< Hulavuta> I was in the bathroom 20100701 04:58:17< Gambit> PeterPorty: I am. 20100701 04:58:20< Hulavuta> Taking care of Business 20100701 04:58:27< PeterPorty> don't see yoou. 20100701 04:58:44< Gambit> oops I think I hosted locally 20100701 04:58:46< PeterPorty> there 20100701 04:58:49< PeterPorty> yeah 20100701 04:58:52< PeterPorty> -.- 20100701 04:58:54< Gambit> oh and also this is secrely my way of getting us all out of this channel ;) 20100701 04:59:04< Hulavuta> Dangit 20100701 04:59:11< PeterPorty> huh? 20100701 04:59:20< Hulavuta> Wait, can Wesnoth be played over LAN? 20100701 04:59:27< Gambit> Hulavuta: Yes 20100701 04:59:32< Hulavuta> How? 20100701 05:00:01< Gambit> Hulavuta: it's on the forums 20100701 05:00:03< Gambit> see link above 20100701 05:00:10< Hulavuta> Ok 20100701 05:00:21< Gambit> Hulavuta: Also to host a lan game you must start the wesnothd server and join localhost 20100701 05:00:32< Gambit> on other computers you'd join the IP of the one with wesnothd on 20100701 05:00:54< Hulavuta> Ok 20100701 05:00:57< Hulavuta> Entering room 20100701 05:01:53< Hulavuta> Does faction mean anything? 20100701 05:05:41< PeterPorty> no. 20100701 05:06:22< Hulavuta> A little late dude, lol 20100701 05:07:19-!- un214 [~quassel@adsl-75-45-4-19.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 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because in some 10 years canvas will take over? 20100701 14:36:50< Rhonda> Sure, it's a linux problem if adobe does give a damn. 20100701 14:37:03< Rhonda> because in some 10 years you maybe grow some brain. 20100701 14:37:36< Blarumyrran> It's a linux problem if you can't do something in linux that you could elsewhere 20100701 14:37:48< Blarumyrran> I couldn't care less about who is "guilty" 20100701 14:38:22< Rhonda> You are very well aware where you are? That wesnoth is a linux product? 20100701 14:38:30-!- apoi [~andi@85-126-180-242.volume.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100701 14:38:30< Rhonda> kthxbye 20100701 14:38:44< Blarumyrran> Dunno, it works on windows :> 20100701 14:39:08< Blarumyrran> (Although i did first try it on linux) 20100701 14:39:36< Rhonda> Then you are aware of the difference of the approach that the wesnoth team does, and that adobe does. Go figure. 20100701 14:40:10< Blarumyrran> What kind of cmparison was that 20100701 14:42:16< Electric_Brain> he's just saying that adobe doesn't give a damn about linux (linux flash and adobe reader versions are crap) and wesnoth has a fully functional linux client 20100701 14:42:22< Hulavuta> Hi 20100701 14:43:24 * zookeeper fails to see what wesnoth has to do with osmos or osmos-like flash games 20100701 14:43:30-!- apoi [~andi@85-126-180-242.volume.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 14:43:51< Hulavuta> It doesnt' 20100701 14:43:55< Electric_Brain> zookeeper: dunno I didn't read that part of the conversation 20100701 14:45:49< Electric_Brain> Hulavuta: I could play in that 2v2 tournament the bad part is that I have little MP experience so I guess It's better if you find anyone else :P 20100701 14:46:11< Hulavuta> Electric_Brain: There is no tournament 20100701 14:46:17< Hulavuta> And I wasn't in charge anyway 20100701 14:46:26< Hulavuta> I was just a player who was a little extra assertive 20100701 14:46:42< Electric_Brain> I know that, just saying 20100701 14:46:53< Hulavuta> jonny made it and bailed for no reason, and then Caphriel took over, but he abandoned it as well, meh 20100701 14:47:00< Electric_Brain> and from me understanding its posponed until another player can play 20100701 14:47:01< Hulavuta> A tournament would be cool though 20100701 14:47:04< Electric_Brain> my* 20100701 14:47:09< Hulavuta> But I suck at MP anyway lol 20100701 14:47:31< Hulavuta> My fanfic is up, if anyone is interested 20100701 14:47:33< Hulavuta> \noone 20100701 14:47:44< Rhonda> Electric_Brain: Thanks for considering this nick as a male one. %-/ 20100701 14:48:14< Hulavuta> Was that sarcasm? 20100701 14:48:43< Rhonda> And I said that wesnoth is open to all platforms, where adobe isn't. This isn't about linux. 20100701 14:48:47< Rhonda> Hulavuta: http://deb.at/~rhonda/sarcasm-sign.png 20100701 14:49:13< Hulavuta> Lol 20100701 14:49:14< Electric_Brain> well I just refered you as a he as I do with everyone 20100701 14:49:18< Electric_Brain> is not considering anything 20100701 14:49:21-!- Johannes13 [~Johannes@unaffiliated/johannes13] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 14:49:22< Hulavuta> Wait 20100701 14:49:26< Electric_Brain> sorry if you are offended lol 20100701 14:49:27< Hulavuta> Is Rhonda a guy or a girl? 20100701 14:49:30< Hulavuta> Sorry 20100701 14:49:33< Hulavuta> I'm really stupid lol 20100701 14:49:52< Rhonda> Electric_Brain: Sorry if you are offended if I refer to you as a jerk as I do with everyone 20100701 14:49:52< Smar> there is no boys in internetz.. .or how did it go ;) 20100701 14:50:30< Electric_Brain> Rhonda: I don't you can do whatever you want 20100701 14:51:02< Rhonda> Hulavuta: Electric_Brain says that it's alread that I consider you a jerk, too. :P 20100701 14:51:08< Rhonda> s/alread/alright/ 20100701 14:51:59< Electric_Brain> I'm not saying that is alright I'm saying that if it pleases you go ahead, you have your own will 20100701 14:52:05-!- garrik [~garrik@lns-bzn-21-82-64-88-24.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 14:52:06< Electric_Brain> and it doesn't affect me in any way :P 20100701 14:54:27-!- sevis [~sevis@188.91.121.147] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 14:56:14< Hulavuta> Can I ask a few questions? 20100701 14:56:58< zookeeper> ... 20100701 14:57:12< zookeeper> _as usual_, ask anything but that 20100701 14:57:26< Hulavuta> Well it's not a WML question 20100701 15:00:13< zookeeper> ok. well, no one knows the answer to the questions you were going to ask, so no need to ask them i guess. 20100701 15:01:50< Hulavuta> Well the questions were for Rhonda 20100701 15:01:51< Rhonda> Hulavuta: You just did ask one. 20100701 15:01:56< Hulavuta> I know 20100701 15:02:00< Hulavuta> Can I ask some more? 20100701 15:02:00< Hulavuta> lol 20100701 15:02:05< Rhonda> You just did. 20100701 15:02:27< Hulavuta> You know what I mean... 20100701 15:02:38-!- mrDuck [~kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 15:02:41< Rhonda> No I don't, not before you ask. 20100701 15:02:47< Hulavuta> 1: So you ARE a girl, right? 2: Were you saying that you consider me a jerk? 20100701 15:03:13-!- sevis [~sevis@188.91.121.147] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20100701 15:03:22< Rhonda> 1) Is it of a matter? 2) No, Electric_Brain implied that. :) 20100701 15:03:43< Rhonda> ad 1) http://www.cafepress.co.uk/VEwarning is my favorite description 20100701 15:03:46< Hulavuta> I'm just curious 20100701 15:04:17< Hulavuta> It's not like I want to ask you out or anything. Lol 20100701 15:04:28< Gambit> Rhonda: lol at shirt 20100701 15:04:43< Rhonda> Gambit: It's straight to the point, actually. 20100701 15:05:08< Rhonda> sorry, meeting 20100701 15:05:21-!- sevis [~sevis@188.91.121.147] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 15:07:21< zookeeper> clearly it matters if you consider people jerks based on which gender pronoun they happen to use by default 20100701 15:12:37< Hulavuta> And then he/she wouldn't tell me what gender he/she was 20100701 15:12:59-!- tparcina [~tparcina@cisco16.fesb.hr] has left #wesnoth [] 20100701 15:34:58-!- lizard_r [~Rolf@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/lizard] has left #wesnoth [] 20100701 15:40:57< Rhonda> zookeeper: I don't, I consider people jerks based on that they assume that everyone is male. It matches not even 50% of the human race, mind you. 20100701 15:41:17< Rhonda> Hulavuta: I am. 20100701 15:41:47< Hulavuta> Ok 20100701 15:41:55< Rhonda> My gender is female, if it really matters. 20100701 15:41:59< Hulavuta> I know 20100701 15:42:07< Hulavuta> I'm not that dumb 20100701 15:42:17< VurtualRuler98> I'm that dumb. :'( 20100701 15:42:20< Rhonda> Didn't say or imply so. :) 20100701 15:42:40< Hulavuta> Well you said that you were a female, but I could tell you were when you said "I am" 20100701 15:42:48< Electric_Brain> however do you know that using a masculine pronoun is not assuming the person is male right? 20100701 15:42:50< VurtualRuler98> Yes, but look at the internet population, rhonda. 20100701 15:42:53< VurtualRuler98> Not many females there. 20100701 15:43:02< Rhonda> VurtualRuler98: I highly doubt that. 20100701 15:43:03< Gambit> *publicly* 20100701 15:43:21< VurtualRuler98> Yeah, it's those dolls. 20100701 15:43:23< Rhonda> VurtualRuler98: Maybe they just don't want to out themself because of all the "wooo, a female, let's hit on her!!" 20100701 15:43:32< Gambit> Indeed. 20100701 15:43:36< VurtualRuler98> People hit on me all the time, doesn't bother me any. 20100701 15:43:54< Rhonda> And that means that it shouldn't bother anyone else neither? 20100701 15:44:10< Rhonda> What a naive statement. 20100701 15:44:46< VurtualRuler98> Besides, it's not like people regularly stalk someone just because they're female. 20100701 15:45:02< Hulavuta> ... 20100701 15:45:06< VurtualRuler98> Or maybe everyone's too scared of me, I don't know. 20100701 15:45:32< zookeeper> Rhonda, yeah, but as he said that wasn't what he did 20100701 15:45:41< Hulavuta> No one's been complaining about Wesnoth for a while 20100701 15:45:45< Hulavuta> We used to get one troll a week 20100701 15:46:05< VurtualRuler98> Wesnoth's 10%s system looks incredibly unprofessional! Blah blah! 20100701 15:46:17< Rhonda> VurtualRuler98: Erm, yes, people do. 20100701 15:46:25< Hulavuta> Also: Noy sux he banned me even though I was bad!!! 20100701 15:47:09< VurtualRuler98> I want to go and change all the %s to numerical values that modify 0. 20100701 15:47:24< Gambit> Hulavuta: What you just said makes no sense. 20100701 15:47:34< Gambit> And this isn't a multiplayer moderators PM inbox... 20100701 15:47:54< VurtualRuler98> rage rage that one ban guy banned me for doing something bad even though he did something minorly bad so I think I should be exempt durrhurr 20100701 15:47:56< Gambit> And people don't complain anymore because now there is a place where we can send them if they do. 20100701 15:48:05< Hulavuta> Hell? 20100701 15:48:05< Gambit> A place that expects them to work to fix the "problem". 20100701 15:48:12< Gambit> And they don't want to do that. 20100701 15:48:18< VurtualRuler98> An IRC channel that's not for ubuntu? 20100701 15:48:24< Hulavuta> Gambit: A LOT of people complain about Noy, and I meant the forum 20100701 15:48:46< Hulavuta> Also they say the Tutorial is too hard 20100701 15:48:47< Hulavuta> lololol 20100701 15:48:49< VurtualRuler98> "Ubuntu: You learn how to fix it yourself! :D" 20100701 15:48:54< Gambit> Hulavuta: All noy complaints should go to the Experimental Corner. You can work an an anti-noy patch if you don't like it! 20100701 15:49:02< Gambit> (joking) 20100701 15:49:05< VurtualRuler98> "Hey I can't get x working" "Here's a completely documented way on how to 100% sure fix it." 20100701 15:49:05< Hulavuta> lol 20100701 15:49:09< Electric_Brain> Hulavuta: The tutorial too hard WTF? haha 20100701 15:49:18< VurtualRuler98> those dummies hit back 20100701 15:49:19< Hulavuta> lol i kno rite 20100701 15:49:26< VurtualRuler98> so overpowered 20100701 15:49:42< Gambit> Electric_Brain: Back when wesnoth was still taking statistics; Dave said that something like 60% of people were losing the tutorial 20100701 15:49:48< VurtualRuler98> What happens if the dummy kills your leader? 20100701 15:50:15-!- Blarumyrran [~Blarumyrr@unaffiliated/blarumyrran] has quit [Quit: Lahkun] 20100701 15:50:22< Hulavuta> You lose 20100701 15:50:26< VurtualRuler98> Any special message? 20100701 15:50:27< Electric_Brain> Gambit: well maybe you can lose it once because you don't know the game buts that's hardly making it too hard 20100701 15:50:52< Gambit> I'm waiting for an email from GNA 20100701 15:50:55< Gambit> and 1.9 to come out 20100701 15:51:05< VurtualRuler98> More importantly, having someone you recruited for the training dying, kinda felt creepy. 20100701 15:51:06< zookeeper> losing a tutorial because you don't know the game is exactly what "too hard" means 20100701 15:51:11< Hulavuta> They should put a special message; "You lost the tutorial. You suck at gaming. I suggest you go get a job. kthxbai" 20100701 15:51:14< Gambit> that ^ 20100701 15:51:21< Gambit> er what zookeeper said I mean./ 20100701 15:51:30< Gambit> Not Hulavuta's nonsense. 20100701 15:51:48< Electric_Brain> zookeeper: too hard is a subjective concept 20100701 15:51:54< zookeeper> anyway, i started working on a new tutorial (again) today, so maybe we'll have a better one for 1.10 20100701 15:52:03< Hulavuta> I am the epitome of Nonsense 20100701 15:52:28< VurtualRuler98> How can you outdo this masterpiece of enchanted newbie-slaying marionettes? 20100701 15:52:28< zookeeper> Electric_Brain, doesn't make what i said untrue 20100701 15:52:41< Hulavuta> Anyway, anybody up for MP? 20100701 15:53:30< Hulavuta> I guess that's a "no" 20100701 15:53:47< Electric_Brain> zookeeper: well you are saying that losing a tutorial because you don't know the game instantly makes the tutorial "too hard", if too hard is subjective and depends on the person that's not true 20100701 15:53:56< Electric_Brain> not that it really matters anyway 20100701 15:53:58< Gambit> Or it might be a "hold on I cna't type cause my fingers are covered in pizza grease" 20100701 15:54:00< Gambit> Hulavuta: ^ 20100701 15:54:15< Hulavuta> lulz 20100701 15:54:21< Hulavuta> I want pizza. 20100701 15:54:23< VurtualRuler98> the statistical nature of the game means you can get killed by anything if it's lucky 20100701 15:54:24< zookeeper> Electric_Brain, yeah, it doesn't matter since it's still too hard in that case. 20100701 15:54:25< Hulavuta> :'( 20100701 15:54:27< VurtualRuler98> It's all in the numbers! 20100701 15:54:32< VurtualRuler98> Number one, that's terror. Number two, that's terror. 20100701 15:55:03< Hulavuta> Gambit: So you want to play MP? 20100701 15:56:49< Electric_Brain> zookeeper: what I'm saying is that I don't consider a tutorial too hard if someone can lose it but lets say you're right and that's the end of an stupid discussion :) 20100701 15:57:25< VurtualRuler98> Make the leader invincible! 20100701 15:57:30< VurtualRuler98> Now you can't lose! 20100701 15:57:45< zookeeper> Electric_Brain, right 20100701 15:59:31< VurtualRuler98> So wait, what actually kills them 20100701 16:01:06< Gambit> Hulavuta: Depends. 20100701 16:01:11< Gambit> What're we playing? 20100701 16:01:26 * Gambit would rather work on his thingamaboj 20100701 16:05:53 * Gambit adding archers today 20100701 16:14:27< Hulavuta> Nah 20100701 16:15:44< Electric_Brain> do you think it would be nice to have imperium like caves (where you place the units at the entrance, and they teleport to the exit), kinda like the teleport ability but like a map element? 20100701 16:23:02-!- mrDuck [~kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20100701 16:23:11-!- Kenpachi [~chatzilla@CPE-121-220-222-94.lns5.way.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 16:30:23< Gambit> Electric_Brain: That feature is incoming. 20100701 16:31:29< Electric_Brain> Gambit: really? oh nice, just thought that yesterday, it would be cool 20100701 16:32:08< Gambit> Yes and according to AI, the AI will even understand it. 20100701 16:32:27< Gambit> (that is; according to AI the person, the AI in the game will understand it) 20100701 16:32:37< Electric_Brain> yeah I got that haha 20100701 16:32:44< Elvish_Pillager> Really? How do you do that? 20100701 16:32:51< Elvish_Pillager> Does the teleport ability allow a location filter now? 20100701 16:33:08< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: [tunnel] tag 20100701 16:33:11< Elvish_Pillager> :o 20100701 16:33:37< Electric_Brain> that could even be used in MP maps it could add some nice strats IMO 20100701 16:33:45< Elvish_Pillager> Oh, you meant upcoming in Wesnoth, not upcoming in your add-on? :/ 20100701 16:34:09< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: Yeah. 20100701 16:34:51< Elvish_Pillager> It would be better to allow a location filter for the teleport ability... (Although IIRC that messes with the pathfinding) 20100701 16:35:31< Elvish_Pillager> (I mean, I think that was what some dev(s) said last time the idea was seriously proposed) 20100701 16:35:38< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=405667#p405667 20100701 16:36:43< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: The ability part of [tunnel] will allow for what you just said. 20100701 16:36:50< Gambit> The event part will not (afaik) 20100701 16:38:40< Unnheulu> Gambit, you know what? 20100701 16:38:45< Unnheulu> I am going to make an anti-noy patch 20100701 16:38:53< Unnheulu> There is a big red button 20100701 16:38:56< Unnheulu> And if you see noy online 20100701 16:38:57< Gambit> -_- 20100701 16:38:59< Unnheulu> You press it 20100701 16:39:05< Unnheulu> And it makes his computer blow up 20100701 16:39:19< Gambit> And I shall make an anti-anti-noy patch 20100701 16:39:39< Gambit> And every time someone complains about him doing his job, their computer blows up. 20100701 16:40:17< Gambit> Because you know that CABD in WML 20100701 16:40:30< Gambit> (or at least I know how to) 20100701 16:40:38< Unnheulu> 1.4 days of python :) 20100701 16:40:46< Elvish_Pillager> Gambit: Finished reading the thread. That is pretty cool. 20100701 16:40:52< Gambit> droid all the sides, kill all their non recruiters, take all their gold, and create a turn_refresh event that stores MASSIVE variables 20100701 16:40:57< Gambit> eventually their computer runs out of memory 20100701 16:40:58< Gambit> and BAM 20100701 16:41:11< Elvish_Pillager> I'm pretty sure there've been things I wanted to do with that functionality. I don't remember exactly what 20100701 16:42:31< Elvish_Pillager> It would ... almost allow wrapping maps, too 20100701 16:43:24< Elvish_Pillager> only difference between an always_visible tunnel and a hex adjacency is ZoC and the ability to attack along it? 20100701 16:44:03-!- happygrue [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 16:44:28< Elvish_Pillager> ...and castles and SLF radius=, but I mean on more normal maps 20100701 16:45:32< Unnheulu> Shush 20100701 16:45:42< Unnheulu> I'm trying to play hype the time quest 20100701 16:45:48< Unnheulu> And this irc is irritating me :P 20100701 16:45:55< Soliton> Gambit: "There are races in this add-on that have no ID. This causes eras in other add-ons. Please fix." i assume there is a word missing in there. 20100701 16:46:31< Gambit> s/eras/errors :\ 20100701 16:46:33< Gambit> Soliton: thanks 20100701 16:46:43< Elvish_Pillager> Gambit: but that was an enjoyable typo :p 20100701 16:47:47< Gambit> Unnheulu: IRC is not an object! 20100701 16:48:49< Hulavuta> Lol 20100701 16:49:16< Gambit> Or an instance of a class. 20100701 16:50:32-!- John_R [~john@67-61-196-160.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 16:50:39< Electric_Brain> Gambit: an event? 20100701 16:51:30-!- garrik [~garrik@lns-bzn-21-82-64-88-24.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 16:52:46-!- mthe [~mthe@unaffiliated/mthe] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 16:55:47-!- daglees__ [~dag@unaffiliated/daglees] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20100701 16:57:36-!- crimson_penguin [~ben@wesnoth/developer/crimsonpenguin] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 17:14:48-!- happygrue_ [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 17:18:17-!- happygrue [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20100701 17:34:05-!- harryBer [~harryBer@95-24-148-24.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 17:39:10-!- SekoIdiootti [~chatzilla@cs148185.pp.htv.fi] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 17:39:24-!- idempote1z [~idempoten@ip-78-94-27-44.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 18:00:01-!- Blueblazed [~nick@99.148.247.235] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 18:02:05< Hulavuta> Gambit: Remeber RedHotChillyPepper? 20100701 18:02:15< Gambit> yes 20100701 18:03:03< Unnheulu> Well he's back 20100701 18:03:14< Unnheulu> (j/k) 20100701 18:03:21-!- garrik [~garrik@lns-bzn-21-82-64-88-24.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100701 18:06:42< Hulavuta> No he's not 20100701 18:06:46-!- garrik [~garrik@lns-bzn-28-82-250-142-8.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 18:06:53< Hulavuta> For some reason he was really spammy and whatnot 20100701 18:06:58< Hulavuta> And then he apologized and left 20100701 18:07:06< Hulavuta> It's like he was there simply to spam... 20100701 18:07:40< Unnheulu> Anyways 20100701 18:07:50< Unnheulu> I'm playing Hype the Time Quest 20100701 18:09:22< Hulavuta> whatever 20100701 18:09:30< Unnheulu> Google it :P 20100701 18:13:05< Unnheulu> Hulavuta, Google it! :P 20100701 18:18:47-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 18:21:12< Hulavuta> No 20100701 18:21:41< Unnheulu> Hulavuta, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype%3A_The_Time_Quest 20100701 18:22:19< Hulavuta> No 20100701 18:23:03< Unnheulu> Hulavuta, read it! :P 20100701 18:24:39< Hulavuta> No 20100701 18:24:45< Unnheulu> Why? 20100701 18:24:57< Hulavuta> Because shut up 20100701 18:25:08< Unnheulu> Bah, you can only get this kind of playmobil castles now-a-days: http://www.playmobil.de/on/demandware.store/Sites-GB-Site/en_GB/Product-Show?pid=7836&CatalogCategoryID=Ds_Ritter 20100701 18:25:18< Unnheulu> And that won't work with my old playmobil 20100701 18:25:22< Hulavuta> no 20100701 18:25:40< Unnheulu> Omg... 20100701 18:25:48< Unnheulu> You can still get one thing that uses the old system 20100701 18:25:56< Hulavuta> No 20100701 18:26:02< Unnheulu> Yes you can 20100701 18:26:04< Unnheulu> Fact 20100701 18:26:09< Hulavuta> shut up 20100701 18:27:17< SekoIdiootti> Hulavuta: did your girlfriend leave you or something? :o 20100701 18:27:37< Hulavuta> no 20100701 18:27:40< SekoIdiootti> ok 20100701 18:27:54< Hulavuta> I'm just bored, lol 20100701 18:28:07< Hulavuta> Noy shot me 20100701 18:28:23< Hulavuta> SekoIdiootti: I wrote a fanfic 20100701 18:28:38< SekoIdiootti> of what? :0 20100701 18:28:41< Hulavuta> Wesnoth 20100701 18:28:46< SekoIdiootti> lol 20100701 18:28:48< SekoIdiootti> ok 20100701 18:28:56< Hulavuta> wanna read it? 20100701 18:28:56< Elvish_Pillager> Isn't every campaign a fanfic? 20100701 18:29:03< SekoIdiootti> I can't read 20100701 18:29:06< SekoIdiootti> I meanxD 20100701 18:29:09< SekoIdiootti> now 20100701 18:29:11< SekoIdiootti> lol 20100701 18:29:14-!- eyerouge [~snowdrop@c-4d6de555.247-29-64736c16.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 18:29:19< SekoIdiootti> (I'm too bored/busy) 20100701 18:29:21< SekoIdiootti> both I mean 20100701 18:29:22< SekoIdiootti> really 20100701 18:29:23< Hulavuta> Well this is in story form, not game form 20100701 18:29:52< Elvish_Pillager> surely you mean prose? 20100701 18:29:55< Hulavuta> Yeah 20100701 18:30:00< Hulavuta> That's what I meant 20100701 18:30:02< Elvish_Pillager> So basically 20100701 18:30:04< Elvish_Pillager> Like a campaign 20100701 18:30:08< Elvish_Pillager> Except without fun gameplay :p 20100701 18:30:16< Hulavuta> Well 20100701 18:30:22< Hulavuta> Like I said in the actual thing: 20100701 18:30:39-!- idempote1z [~idempoten@ip-78-94-27-44.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20100701 18:31:07-!- Blarumyrran [~Blarumyrr@unaffiliated/blarumyrran] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 18:31:08< Hulavuta> it's based off of an RP, so it only had one character per player, so a campaign based off of it would have to be an RPG, like Fall of Trent 20100701 18:31:12< Hulavuta> And I can't do that 20100701 18:31:16-!- elvish_sovereign [~Zoltan@pool-108-2-88-55.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 18:31:17< Hulavuta> And then I read the White Lich 20100701 18:31:22< Hulavuta> And then I decided to make it a fanfic 20100701 18:31:33< elvish_sovereign> fanfic discussion? 20100701 18:31:42< Hulavuta> No 20100701 18:31:43< Hulavuta> Yes 20100701 18:31:49< Hulavuta> Did you see mine yet? 20100701 18:32:39< eyerouge> Hulavuta: Consider using Inform 7 for it... rocks. 20100701 18:32:51< Aethaeryn> Eh, fanfic. 20100701 18:32:58< Aethaeryn> Ideas are the easiest thing to come up with in stories. 20100701 18:33:00< Aethaeryn> The easiest part. 20100701 18:33:02< Hulavuta> eyerouge: wut 20100701 18:33:10< Hulavuta> Aethaeryn: I know what you mean 20100701 18:33:27< Hulavuta> I have a bajillion ideas, but I lack the will and the skill to get them done 20100701 18:33:32< Aethaeryn> Idk, before I write a story I already have the geneology of my royal families. 20100701 18:33:35< Aethaeryn> ;-) 20100701 18:33:47< Aethaeryn> I have the skill, I just don't have the free time. 20100701 18:34:05< Hulavuta> eyerouge: Are you going to explain what you mean? 20100701 18:34:19< Hulavuta> eyerouge: Nevermind 20100701 18:34:20< Aethaeryn> Anyone can write a good story, given enough time. 20100701 18:34:24< Unnheulu> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicester/10465457.stm 20100701 18:34:25< Aethaeryn> And given enough stories written. 20100701 18:34:26< Hulavuta> A quick google search reveals 20100701 18:34:27< Unnheulu> Lawl 20100701 18:34:27< eyerouge> Hulavuta: Not any longer, if you're not writing anything =) 20100701 18:35:06< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Anyway, recent literary events have shown that you don't need to have skill to write. 20100701 18:35:15< Aethaeryn> You just need to write something every single teenage girl would want to read. 20100701 18:35:22< eyerouge> lol 20100701 18:35:35< Hulavuta> Lol 20100701 18:35:48< Hulavuta> For a second I thought you were saying I had no skill :-( 20100701 18:35:52< Hulavuta> But then I realized 20100701 18:35:57< Hulavuta> You meant that nobody needs skill anymore 20100701 18:35:59< Hulavuta> Hmm 20100701 18:36:03< Hulavuta> Okay, I got a story idea 20100701 18:36:14< Aethaeryn> It's all bullshit anyway. You don't need skill, you need connections. 20100701 18:36:20< Hulavuta> Meh 20100701 18:36:28< Aethaeryn> So that's why you have no chance to make any money writing, so just publish it CreativeCommons. 20100701 18:36:40< Hulavuta> Damnit 20100701 18:36:40< Aethaeryn> Because people *will* get the free stuff over the paid stuff, so at least you can get famous, if not rich. 20100701 18:36:48< Aethaeryn> And maybe get a book deal after the first few are free. 20100701 18:36:48< Hulavuta> I was planning to become an author...:'( 20100701 18:37:09< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Anyway, think of it as giving your resume to the audience right away, not the publishers. 20100701 18:37:12< Aethaeryn> Show there's an audience. 20100701 18:37:18< Hulavuta> Hmm, good idea 20100701 18:37:23< Blarumyrran> It's not wholly true 20100701 18:37:36< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Let's not get into epistemology here. 20100701 18:37:38< Blarumyrran> The average free fanfic is probably worse than twligiht 20100701 18:37:38< Hulavuta> Do you guys mind reading chapter one of my fic and giving some crit? 20100701 18:37:49< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: oh, that is objectively true. 20100701 18:37:57< Blarumyrran> (although I haven't read either) 20100701 18:38:10< Aethaeryn> The average fanfic is crap. 20100701 18:38:18< Aethaeryn> Even the median fanfic is crap. 20100701 18:38:26< Hulavuta> Because most fanfics are based off of stuff that is already complete 20100701 18:38:33< Blarumyrran> No 20100701 18:38:38< Blarumyrran> Because they can't write 20100701 18:38:44< Aethaeryn> It's true. 20100701 18:38:44< Hulavuta> =-O 20100701 18:38:55< Unnheulu> elvish_sovereign, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype%3A_The_Time_Quest 20100701 18:39:01< Unnheulu> I'm playing that :D 20100701 18:39:06< Aethaeryn> I read a fanfic accidentally once. 20100701 18:39:08< Hulavuta> Well, hopefully mine isn't that bad... http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=30593 20100701 18:39:14< Blarumyrran> It's easier to think that you're good at writing while you're not, thatnto eg think you're good at drawing when you're not 20100701 18:39:18< Aethaeryn> Because it was among the free stuff in an ebook app on my phone. 20100701 18:39:22< Aethaeryn> It had a cool title. 20100701 18:39:31< Aethaeryn> It was the worst 20 pages I've ever skimmed through. 20100701 18:39:32< Hulavuta> I do 20100701 18:39:34< Aethaeryn> I deleted it. 20100701 18:39:38< Hulavuta> I don't think I'm that good 20100701 18:39:48< Hulavuta> Mainly because I'm still 13, but mehg 20100701 18:39:49< Aethaeryn> Honestly, I think it was written by a 2nd grader. 20100701 18:39:50< Hulavuta> *meh 20100701 18:39:58< Aethaeryn> Since, I could have written better than that fanfic in 2nd grade 20100701 18:40:05< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Just write. 20100701 18:40:16< Hulavuta> and? 20100701 18:40:18< Aethaeryn> Unless you're a prodegy, you're not going to be good unless you have practice first. 20100701 18:40:21< Unnheulu> Hulavuta, hmm? Your 13? 20100701 18:40:25< Unnheulu> I thought you said you were 15 20100701 18:40:25< Aethaeryn> prodigy 20100701 18:40:29< Hulavuta> No, I'm 13 20100701 18:40:35< Hulavuta> I never said I was 15 20100701 18:40:39< Hulavuta> I' 20100701 18:40:45< Hulavuta> I am fourteen in fourteen days 20100701 18:40:46< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Anyway, write and write and write and never show anyone anything and never publish any of your works. Resist the temptation. 20100701 18:40:47< Hulavuta> What a coincidence 20100701 18:40:51< Gambit> Hulavuta: I have a song to inspire you! 20100701 18:40:57< Hulavuta> Oook 20100701 18:41:00< Aethaeryn> Then in about 5-6 years of practice, you might not embarass yourself. 20100701 18:41:03< Gambit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ0G5Nik8iY 20100701 18:41:04< Hulavuta> Lol 20100701 18:41:04< Aethaeryn> That's how anything works. 20100701 18:41:08< Blarumyrran> Yeah 20100701 18:41:13< Aethaeryn> Any talent, really. 20100701 18:41:17< Hulavuta> Gambit: DAMN THESE ADS!!! 20100701 18:41:22< Blarumyrran> I make about 3 times more stuff for Wesnoth than I ever publish on forums 20100701 18:41:23< Aethaeryn> The Internet encourages people to publish who REALLY should not. 20100701 18:41:39< Blarumyrran> (and most of it gets halted at some points cein i decide it's bad or boring) 20100701 18:41:44< Hulavuta> Gambit: I don't get it 20100701 18:41:47< Aethaeryn> Did you know that I already have 4-5 more Thunderstone sprites? They're just crap right now. 20100701 18:41:53< Aethaeryn> I have shame. 20100701 18:41:57< Aethaeryn> So I don't publish until I like it. 20100701 18:42:05-!- Unnheulu [~ieuan@cpc5-pnth2-0-0-cust800.5-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #wesnoth ["Ex-Chat"] 20100701 18:42:06< Aethaeryn> And I'm my second-worst critic. 20100701 18:42:14< Blarumyrran> :) 20100701 18:42:17< Aethaeryn> I'm pretty sure Blarumyrran could point out flaws even I missed. :-) 20100701 18:42:23< Hulavuta> Aethaeryn: before I was on forums, I used to write all of the time 20100701 18:42:25< Hulavuta> For myself 20100701 18:42:33< Gambit> Hulavuta: You will get it 20100701 18:42:38< Gambit> Keep listening. 20100701 18:42:41< Hulavuta> Now I do 20100701 18:42:55< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: click the soccer ball on YouTube 20100701 18:43:03< Hulavuta> No thank you 20100701 18:43:06< Aethaeryn> :-( 20100701 18:43:34< Hulavuta> I know what it doe 20100701 18:43:36< Hulavuta> *does 20100701 18:43:51 * Blarumyrran clicks 20100701 18:44:10 * Gambit seeth no soccer ball 20100701 18:44:23< Hulavuta> It's a total rippoff of the Vuvuzela thing that humanressource showed us 20100701 18:44:29< Hulavuta> And it's only on certain videos 20100701 18:44:33-!- garrik [~garrik@lns-bzn-28-82-250-142-8.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 18:44:48< Blarumyrran> except I can't since youtube won't load for some reason 20100701 18:45:54< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: by the time you want to be a writer, it will be outsourced, though. 20100701 18:45:57< Aethaeryn> Cloning will be invented... 20100701 18:46:06< Aethaeryn> So they'll put 1,000 monkeys in a room with 1,000 typewriters. 20100701 18:46:11< Hulavuta> Shakespear 20100701 18:46:13< Aethaeryn> And that'll be our literature. 20100701 18:46:21< Blarumyrran> that isn't a big number 20100701 18:46:31< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Well, as t approaches infinity. 20100701 18:46:48< Aethaeryn> People will stop caring. 20100701 18:46:52< Aethaeryn> And get used to the poor quality of writing. 20100701 18:47:13< Hulavuta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem 20100701 18:47:19< Gambit> Hulavuta: Actually after another listen that song was a little harsh for you. 20100701 18:47:26< Blarumyrran> a 1000 monkeys with 1000 typewriters can write nothing useful even with an infinity of time 20100701 18:47:41< Blarumyrran> they'll just repeat their actions in predictable sequences forever 20100701 18:47:54< Hulavuta> Gambit: :'( 20100701 18:48:28< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Okay, how about 1000 rabbits with a logorithmically increasing amount of typewriters? 20100701 18:48:51< Blarumyrran> what 20100701 18:49:04< Hulavuta> So, 20100701 18:49:05< Blarumyrran> logarithmically incrasing? 20100701 18:49:13< Blarumyrran> that's less than linearly you know 20100701 18:49:30-!- sevis_ [~sevis@178.228.180.166] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 18:49:57< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Yes, 'twas a joke. 20100701 18:49:58< Hulavuta> Anyway, I'm entering a writing contest. If I win, it'll boost my ego. Lol. If I lose, there's like a million people entering so it won't affect me 20100701 18:50:10< Gambit> No. 20100701 18:50:16< Gambit> It will destroy a tiny part of you deep down. 20100701 18:50:18< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: How about 1/log(x)? ;-) 20100701 18:50:34< Gambit> You just won't realize it until years later at the psychologist. 20100701 18:50:44< Hulavuta> .. 20100701 18:50:47< Hulavuta> :-( 20100701 18:50:55< Gambit> But hey you might win! 20100701 18:50:59< Blarumyrran> Psychologists sound like the kind of people would write lots of fan fiction 20100701 18:51:21< Blarumyrran> +who* 20100701 18:51:22< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Don't go mainstream. 20100701 18:51:28< Hulavuta> I don't plan to 20100701 18:51:29< Aethaeryn> Don't conform to popular demands to win a contest. 20100701 18:51:31< Aethaeryn> SELL OUT! 20100701 18:51:38< Aethaeryn> Think of your original, most loyal fans! 20100701 18:51:47< Hulavuta> Um...the contest already has a theme 20100701 18:51:53< Hulavuta> And I like it, so that's why I'm entering 20100701 18:51:54-!- Queenie [~teodora@178.218.206.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100701 18:52:02< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Pirates? Or ninjas? 20100701 18:52:08< Hulavuta> No, it's a story 20100701 18:52:14-!- sevis [~sevis@188.91.121.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100701 18:52:20< Gambit> Aethaeryn: hold that thought 20100701 18:52:25< Aethaeryn> (You can tell the Internet generation has grown up when writing contests are actually "Pirates or ninjas?") 20100701 18:52:33< Gambit> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escapist-news-network/1841-Snobcon-2010 20100701 18:52:48< Blarumyrran> What's the internet generation 20100701 18:52:55-!- sevis_ is now known as sevis 20100701 18:52:59-!- Queenie [~teodora@178.218.206.248] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 18:53:07< Hulavuta> Pants on the Ground, Pants on the Ground, looking like a foo which yo pants on the ground 20100701 18:53:27< Blarumyrran> That's the theme? 20100701 18:55:05< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/iGeneration 20100701 18:55:25-!- Blueblazed [~nick@99.148.247.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20100701 18:55:33< Blarumyrran> "Generation Z is one of the names used for the First World or Western generation of people born between the mid-1990s and the late 2000s" 20100701 18:55:55< Hulavuta> Dragonball Z? 20100701 18:55:59< Blarumyrran> They can't be grown up by the virtue of that 20100701 18:56:07< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: not true. 20100701 18:56:11< Aethaeryn> Some say it starts at 1991 20100701 18:56:22< Aethaeryn> And, scary thought, I'm a junior in college now. And I was born 1990. 20100701 18:56:31< Aethaeryn> so the 1993, which is the later start date... 20100701 18:56:35< Aethaeryn> I think they're entering college now? 20100701 18:56:43< Aethaeryn> or is it next year? 20100701 18:56:47< Aethaeryn> Whatever it is, it's scary. 20100701 18:56:56< Aethaeryn> I feel old. 20100701 18:58:20< Hulavuta> Damn...first day of the contest, and there are already 8 entries 20100701 18:58:22< Gambit> Aethaeryn: http://xkcd.com/647/ 20100701 18:59:01< Hulavuta> I don't get it 20100701 18:59:10< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: One day you will. 20100701 18:59:16< Aethaeryn> Give it about 8 years. 20100701 18:59:24< Hulavuta> Wait 20100701 18:59:26< Hulavuta> I think I get it 20100701 18:59:31< Hulavuta> Let me think for a second 20100701 19:00:18< Gambit> Aethaeryn: But whenever I start thinking "Toy Story is older than person X" I suddenly can't stand to be around them, so I try nnot to think about it... 20100701 19:00:35< Gambit> I'm supposed to be anti age discrimination after all. 20100701 19:00:35< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: anyway, I kinda hate generation analysis. Since I'm in the < 10% personality minority, which means that half of the blatant generalizations are false to me. 20100701 19:01:15-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 19:01:15< Hulavuta> Toy Story is older than me by a year 20100701 19:01:22< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: You don't exist. 20100701 19:01:35< Hulavuta> :'( 20100701 19:01:37< Aethaeryn> You just failed the Turing test, computer! 20100701 19:03:55-!- SekoIdiootti [~chatzilla@cs148185.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939]] 20100701 19:04:04-!- Unnheulu [~ieuan@cpc5-pnth2-0-0-cust800.5-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 19:04:18< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Either time is passing by me too quickly, or you are an AI chatterbot who get a detail wrong. 20100701 19:04:55< Aethaeryn> Time is taking forever for it to get to the evening, when I have my next math quiz. 20100701 19:05:01< Aethaeryn> Therefore, you must be an AI. 20100701 19:05:30< Aethaeryn> Quod erat demonstrandum. 20100701 19:05:38< Aethaeryn> Because I like writing out abbreviations. :-) 20100701 19:06:37< Aethaeryn> Hulavuta: Anyway, this is why you have to pay attention in math class. 20100701 19:07:27< Aethaeryn> While you may think that it has no applications, it actually has lots of applications. Logic (argument forms)... as well as prerequisites for every major that leads to a decent-paying job. 20100701 19:08:56< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, "Since I'm in the < 10% personality minority" 20100701 19:09:26< Blarumyrran> Yeah well everyone can say they're in the "in the < 0,01% personality minority" 20100701 19:10:06< Blarumyrran> for a good enough grouping of personalities 20100701 19:12:11< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: well... 20100701 19:12:21< Aethaeryn> I was using INTP + INTJ based on Wikipedia numbers. 20100701 19:12:30< Aethaeryn> 1-5% and 1-4% respectively, I believe. 20100701 19:13:16< Aethaeryn> Less than 1 in 10 people think in a way that is comparable to me. It's probably close to 1 in 2 on IRC though. 20100701 19:14:27< Blarumyrran> I think your most defining trait is exactly that weird elitism 20100701 19:14:44< Blarumyrran> That you spend considerable time on all kinds of things that set you apart from the dumb masses. 20100701 19:14:51< Aethaeryn> Is there anything wrong with that? 20100701 19:15:02< Aethaeryn> No one accomplished anything by sitting around and watching TV all day. 20100701 19:15:03< Blarumyrran> Well, I said it badly, let me correct 20100701 19:15:18< Aethaeryn> It's a trickle down effect. Smart people invent and discover things. Everyone benefits. 20100701 19:15:35< Blarumyrran> That you spend considerable time on all kinds of things that set you apart from the dumb masses, just to get that elitist feeling aout of setting yourself apart from the dumb masses. 20100701 19:15:38< Aethaeryn> If anything, everyone else has it better. They get to be normal, and yet still benefit from things other people invent. 20100701 19:15:49< Aethaeryn> eh... 20100701 19:15:52< Blarumyrran> And I'm not sure doing INTP/INTJ test is better than tv 20100701 19:16:12< Gambit> Aethaeryn: those tests fail 20100701 19:16:18< Gambit> They said I was ENFP 20100701 19:16:31< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Well... Everyone tries to be normal. I just fail at it more than others. I overthink, I overanalyze. Almost hesitate to do RL. 20100701 19:16:51< Aethaeryn> So i basically have no choice based on my temperment. 20100701 19:17:28< Gambit> lies 20100701 19:17:29< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, no, my point that I can't seem to spell out well today is that you THINK you are more "special" than you are, much more often than most people 20100701 19:17:53< Blarumyrran> and you TALK about it constantly, how you are so special and how the masses are dumb 20100701 19:18:03< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: I'm not special. I'm just statistically rare. 20100701 19:18:08< Blarumyrran> Yes 20100701 19:18:16< Blarumyrran> That is special 20100701 19:18:20< Aethaeryn> There are probably hundreds of millions of people with similar personalities. The majority are probably better than me. 20100701 19:18:21-!- bp0 [~bp@unaffiliated/bp0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 19:18:21-!- Valkier [~IceChat7@c-174-55-104-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 19:18:41< Blarumyrran> There are billions of people with similar personalities 20100701 19:18:44< Blarumyrran> to you 20100701 19:18:52< Aethaeryn> Not really. 20100701 19:18:58< Aethaeryn> Improbable. 20100701 19:19:02< Blarumyrran> ... 20100701 19:19:04< Aethaeryn> Even with 7 billion people... 20100701 19:19:12< Valkier> Aww. Does someone think they are a rare and unique snowflake? 20100701 19:19:16< Aethaeryn> < 10% of 7 billion is not > 1 billion. 20100701 19:19:30< Aethaeryn> Granted, there's probably a number of people greater than the population of the United States like me. 20100701 19:19:37< Aethaeryn> So I am by no means unique. 20100701 19:19:43< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, I can also make a test by which you would qualify among 90% of the world population 20100701 19:19:55< Blarumyrran> And one by which you would qualify among 50% 20100701 19:20:05< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: I know a test I can qualify of being in the vast majority in. 20100701 19:20:07< Aethaeryn> I have dark hair! 20100701 19:20:08< Aethaeryn> Woah! 20100701 19:20:12< Blarumyrran> You shouldn't take some special feeling of elitism out of that INTP like you do 20100701 19:20:21< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, I meant personality tests 20100701 19:20:27< Aethaeryn> It's not "out of that personality test" thing. 20100701 19:20:33< Aethaeryn> It's my literal temperment. 20100701 19:20:44< Aethaeryn> That makes me different. Not better, different. 20100701 19:20:48< Blarumyrran> ... 20100701 19:20:57< Blarumyrran> Yes, so do all the other 15? combinations 20100701 19:21:05< Blarumyrran> That doesn't really mean anything 20100701 19:21:08< Aethaeryn> ... 20100701 19:21:24< Blarumyrran> You could aswell read horoscopes for your star sign 20100701 19:21:29< Aethaeryn> My point is that the things that the majority of people willfuly do and take enjoyment out of I do not enjoy. 20100701 19:21:35< Aethaeryn> This has been so most of my life. 20100701 19:21:41< Aethaeryn> You don't need a personality test to find that out. 20100701 19:21:46< Aethaeryn> You could just have stalked me my whole life. 20100701 19:22:00< Aethaeryn> That does not mean that I'm unique or better than anyone else. 20100701 19:22:08< Aethaeryn> in fact, that means that up to 49% of people are similar to me. 20100701 19:22:17< Aethaeryn> that just means that I don't like generalizations because they tend not to apply to me. 20100701 19:22:20< Aethaeryn> That's all. 20100701 19:22:53< Gambit> Where's that darn PeterPorty when you need him? 20100701 19:24:11< Gambit> Aethaeryn: Can I bug you to look at my addon :D 20100701 19:24:17< Blarumyrran> You always speak of it like you're _above_ generalizations. 20100701 19:24:34< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Maybe you read a tone in my voice you cannot possibly actually hear since this is text. 20100701 19:24:56< Aethaeryn> Because if I am not mistaken, this kind of thing would normally be communicated in language by tone. 20100701 19:25:10< Gambit> NERD FIGHT! 20100701 19:25:14< Gambit> ugh 20100701 19:25:24< Blarumyrran> It's not just this text, it's vage memories of thousands of lines of text you have said in the past which your current test simply seems to confirm 20100701 19:25:25< Aethaeryn> Gambit: Sorry, I have to leave before 4 pm and it's 1:30 20100701 19:25:27< Gambit> You guys should go to /query probably. 20100701 19:25:37< Aethaeryn> Gambit: and I know Wesnoth takes longer than it is intended... always 20100701 19:25:41< Valkier> Nah, it's cool. Aethaeryn also believes there's only 4 colleges in the world. 20100701 19:25:51< Aethaeryn> ... 20100701 19:25:52< Gambit> Aethaeryn: This one is quite fast. 20100701 19:26:07 * Aethaeryn facepalms. 20100701 19:26:19< Gambit> Even with 4 players 20100701 19:26:39< Gambit> Aethaeryn: The gimic is that the map is always shrinking. 20100701 19:26:55< Gambit> But okay. 20100701 19:27:50-!- Blitzmerker [~Blitzmerk@p3EE097EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 19:28:59< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Do I act like I'm above the majority? Sometimes, yes. But this is the same majority that would implicity say they are above me by disliking the activities I spend the majority of time on. 20100701 19:29:32< Valkier> Must be hard when the whole world is against you. 20100701 19:29:54< Aethaeryn> Basically, my introverted computer-nerd behavior causes me to do things I find more fascinating than the activites people are socially constructed to prefer. 20100701 19:30:05< Valkier> However you're pretty wrong. Mostly, people don't care if they are above or below you. They are content to ignore you and go about their day. 20100701 19:30:20< Aethaeryn> But, on the other hand, because I value socially constructed norms, it works both ways. 20100701 19:30:33< Aethaeryn> *because I do not value socially constructed norms 20100701 19:30:59< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, for one, I havenät heard of you programming 20100701 19:31:04< Aethaeryn> In other words, just like every members of other niche group... 20100701 19:32:54< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: I haven't made anything worth publishing. 20100701 19:33:36< Electric_Brain> anyone wanna play a MP game? 20100701 19:33:55< Aethaeryn> But: (1) I use Linux. (2) I built a computer by myself and without guides. (3) I use the command line. 20100701 19:34:00< Gambit> Electric_Brain: Would you like to play an experimental game? 20100701 19:34:08< Aethaeryn> Those three characteristics distinguish me from most people with regards to computers. 20100701 19:34:23< Electric_Brain> Gambit: unless its some kind of survival or rpg map it's ok 20100701 19:34:34< Gambit> Aethaeryn: But those could apply to lots of people. 20100701 19:34:41< Aethaeryn> Again, distinguish. Not necessarily made better. I saved maybe $100 to spend two full days on building a computer. That wasn't *necessarily* a good thing. 20100701 19:34:47< Gambit> 1. People who use linux once in a blue moon 20100701 19:34:51-!- e_s-iOS [~esios@pool-108-2-88-55.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 19:34:53< Gambit> 2. People who built computers that don't work 20100701 19:35:05< Gambit> 3. People who are paranoid and use netstat every 5 minutes to check for spyware 20100701 19:35:19< Gambit> Electric_Brain: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=30589 20100701 19:35:28< Aethaeryn> (1) L. (2) C. (3) O. 20100701 19:35:30< Aethaeryn> There you go. 20100701 19:35:34< Aethaeryn> Variables L, C, and O. 20100701 19:35:37< Gambit> Aethaeryn: In fact those describe yours truly :D 20100701 19:35:46< Aethaeryn> Variable L is "Used Linux as primary operating system for more than 5 years." 20100701 19:35:56< Valkier> Hey guys! I use Linux and build computers! I am uber man! 20100701 19:36:09< Gambit> Electric_Brain: Does that sound fun? 20100701 19:36:12< Aethaeryn> Variable C is "Computer that works, with every component necessary for functioning, with all the proper drivers, and without needing a guide." 20100701 19:36:16< Electric_Brain> Gambit: reading 20100701 19:36:22< Gambit> Electric_Brain: k 20100701 19:36:40< Aethaeryn> And variable O is "cOmmand line is being used right now to chat on IRC, so the Terminal is probably the #2 used thing next to Firefox" 20100701 19:36:59< Aethaeryn> Gambit: This is why my thoughts move more and more abstract. 20100701 19:37:02< Aethaeryn> The damn Internet. 20100701 19:37:04< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, and you call things here "variables" again for no other reason but to set yourself apart 20100701 19:37:11< Electric_Brain> Gambit: sound weird but we can try I guess :P 20100701 19:37:26< Gambit> Electric_Brain: Okay. Do you know where to put it? 20100701 19:37:35< Gambit> It has to be dl'd and extracted and put in add-ons/ 20100701 19:37:44< Electric_Brain> ok 20100701 19:37:46< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: If I wanted to set myself apart, I'd invent my own system of completely unique way of looking at logic, philosophy, and mathematics. And I'd use base pi just for lulz. 20100701 19:37:56< Blarumyrran> ... 20100701 19:38:01< Aethaeryn> So I'm not trying to set myself apart. 20100701 19:38:16< Blarumyrran> "Fritzl isn't a monster. A monster would've killed the victims too." 20100701 19:38:17< Gambit> cool people count in base 15 anyways 20100701 19:38:23< Blarumyrran> That's what Fritzl's lawyar said 20100701 19:38:26< Electric_Brain> Gambit: done 20100701 19:38:29< e_s-iOS> what are you guys talking about? Lol I'm totally lost 20100701 19:38:31< Blarumyrran> and that is pretty analogously silly 20100701 19:38:32< Gambit> Electric_Brain: Alright I'll go host. 20100701 19:38:36< Electric_Brain> ok 20100701 19:38:41< Blarumyrran> in the same way 20100701 19:39:21< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: My point is, I'm using established ways of thought. That's not the most logical way to set myself apart, is it? 20100701 19:39:46< Gambit> Electric_Brain: in game name? 20100701 19:39:51< Electric_Brain> Gambit: I'm Ineluki 20100701 19:40:00< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: You use ad hominem attacks, though. 20100701 19:40:07< Blarumyrran> What's unestablish way of though? Running up and down the street, yelling "I'm a hamster, I'm a hamster"? 20100701 19:40:14< Blarumyrran> unestablished* 20100701 19:40:18< Aethaeryn> I used the variables not to set myself apart, but rather to clarify to prevent Gambit from poking holes in my logic. 20100701 19:40:29< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, you keep speaking of yourself, so there's nothing wrong with that 20100701 19:40:31< Aethaeryn> 13:38:43 < Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, and you call things here "variables" again for no other reason but to set yourself apart 20100701 19:40:35< Aethaeryn> So this sentence is actually false. 20100701 19:40:42< Aethaeryn> Because it makes a false assumption for the purpose of changing the subject. 20100701 19:40:47< Blarumyrran> I do believe it's not flase at all 20100701 19:40:50< Aethaeryn> Forcing me to again defend against your thesis. 20100701 19:40:57< Aethaeryn> You would be wrong, then, Blarumyrran. 20100701 19:41:03< Aethaeryn> Thus proving that you have a subjective bias against me. 20100701 19:41:06< e_s-iOS> Hirsute 20100701 19:41:13< Gambit> Electric_Brain: iT'S UP 20100701 19:41:14< e_s-iOS> Wut, I didn't type that 20100701 19:41:16< Aethaeryn> I was using "variables" simply to clarify my point that I was making with Gambit 20100701 19:41:16< Gambit> ooops caps 20100701 19:41:17< Blarumyrran> You have a subjective bias for you 20100701 19:41:21< Blarumyrran> Blarumyrran: My point is, I'm using established ways of thought. That's not the most logical way to set myself apart, is it? 20100701 19:41:27< Electric_Brain> Gambit: I'm in 20100701 19:41:35< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: You have a funny name. 20100701 19:41:39< Blarumyrran> No, the most logical way to set yourself apart is to talk on irc mostly about how you're a special minority 20100701 19:41:46< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: You're using your IRC name to set yourself apart. 20100701 19:41:50< Blarumyrran> It's useful, there are no other blarumyrrans on google 20100701 19:41:55< Aethaeryn> Exactly! 20100701 19:41:58< Blarumyrran> What. 20100701 19:41:59< Aethaeryn> You're setting yourself apart! 20100701 19:42:05< Aethaeryn> You only did that to make yourself unique on Google! 20100701 19:42:06< Blarumyrran> That has nothing to do with the elitism like you have 20100701 19:42:13< Aethaeryn> Or does it? 20100701 19:42:34< Aethaeryn> I never went so far as to give myself a name that has no other hits on Google. 20100701 19:42:35< Valkier> Any takers on whose epeen is bigger? 20100701 19:42:47< Aethaeryn> That seems like the biggest form of elitism, using a name that NO ONE ELSE has. 20100701 19:43:01< Aethaeryn> Just so you can say "Hah, I'm better than you, because I have a very unique username!" 20100701 19:43:02< Blarumyrran> Okay no you're just talking random nonsense. 20100701 19:43:06< Blarumyrran> Like a true philosophy major 20100701 19:43:11< Blarumyrran> now* 20100701 19:43:19< Aethaeryn> Well, technically philosophy and computer science. 20100701 19:43:32< Aethaeryn> But again, you continue ad hominem attacks. 20100701 19:43:44< Aethaeryn> "Words." "You're just a philosophy major." 20100701 19:43:46< Blarumyrran> ... if you speak of yourself constantly 20100701 19:43:55< Blarumyrran> then attacking that is obviously an attack on you 20100701 19:44:03< Valkier> Aethaeryn: You tried calling me "just an art major." Not sure you have any room to talk. 20100701 19:44:17< Aethaeryn> Valkier: Ah, but I am not *just* a philosophy major. 20100701 19:44:23< Aethaeryn> I'm also computer science. 20100701 19:44:23< Tomsik> what is going on 20100701 19:44:24< Tomsik> here 20100701 19:44:25< Aethaeryn> Two majors! 20100701 19:44:26< Tomsik> duuds 20100701 19:44:27< Valkier> Thats all you demonstrate. 20100701 19:44:27< Aethaeryn> Mwahahahaha! 20100701 19:44:37< Valkier> You never code. You never do anything. 20100701 19:44:44< Valkier> You sit in IRC and try to claim you're different. 20100701 19:44:45< Valkier> Nobody cares. 20100701 19:44:46< Aethaeryn> Computer science is not software engineering. 20100701 19:44:51< Aethaeryn> It's not information technology. 20100701 19:44:52< Valkier> We're here for a game for christ sakes. :-P 20100701 19:44:53< Aethaeryn> it's computer science. 20100701 19:45:02< Aethaeryn> There's more to comp sci than coding. 20100701 19:45:12< Valkier> Either way, you do nothing. 20100701 19:45:15< Hulavuta> Done eating 20100701 19:45:19< e_s-iOS> Lol 20100701 19:45:25< Aethaeryn> Valkier: [citation needed] 20100701 19:45:37< Hulavuta> Oh no 20100701 19:45:39< Valkier> Is IRC argueing part of you "amazing college!" cariculum? 20100701 19:46:18< Aethaeryn> cirriculum 20100701 19:46:19< Valkier> Go do something if you're so interested in being part of the master race. 20100701 19:46:33< Aethaeryn> And "master race" would be antilibertarian thinking. 20100701 19:46:36< Aethaeryn> Since that's collectivist. 20100701 19:46:39< Aethaeryn> Thinking of a group, a race. 20100701 19:46:39< Valkier> lol 20100701 19:46:40< Tomsik> I'm more awesome than he is. Leave him be. 20100701 19:46:48< Valkier> Can't even come up with a counter. 20100701 19:46:52< Valkier> You're a funny man. 20100701 19:47:03< Valkier> Weren't you just accusing Blarumyrran of trying to change the topic? 20100701 19:47:08-!- daglees [~dag@unaffiliated/daglees] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 19:47:27< Valkier> This is sad. I'm going back to drawing. 20100701 19:47:35-!- Blueblaze [~irchon@166.205.14.121] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 19:47:53< Aethaeryn> Valkier: I'll take your argument as, "Go do something other than arguing on IRC." 20100701 19:47:58< Tomsik> I'm not sure what you're all arguing about, but this is IRC. So I'm gonna say that you're all wrong. 20100701 19:47:58< Aethaeryn> In which case, I can just say, "Nah." 20100701 19:48:06< Aethaeryn> This is my time off. 20100701 19:48:08< Hulavuta> My dad used to be a Philosophy Major 20100701 19:48:13< e_s-iOS> Lol 20100701 19:48:14< Tomsik> used to be? 20100701 19:48:25< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: he sold it for $30,000 20100701 19:48:26< Hulavuta> He graduated a long time ago 20100701 19:48:27< Hulavuta> Lol 20100701 19:48:29< Aethaeryn> right before the bubble burst 20100701 19:48:36< Hulavuta> He has a PhD 20100701 19:48:36< Aethaeryn> now they're only worth $30 to sell diplomas. 20100701 19:48:50< Hulavuta> He's writing a Philosophy book now 20100701 19:48:55< Aethaeryn> meh 20100701 19:49:02< Tomsik> Anyone can write a philosophy book 20100701 19:49:04< Aethaeryn> philosophy PhD doesn't have enough of a RoI 20100701 19:49:31< Hulavuta> I know, I'm just saying he's writing a book 20100701 19:49:33< Aethaeryn> The only main career path is academia, and humanities are being neglected because of the financial crisis. 20100701 19:49:37< Aethaeryn> Very competitive for not-that-great pay. 20100701 19:49:41< Tomsik> Not anyone can write a book on parametric computational complexity 20100701 19:49:42< Hulavuta> But he's also a Philosophy professor, which I'm sure you need a degree for 20100701 19:49:46< Aethaeryn> Since there's more people wanting professorship in humanities than can get the jobs. 20100701 19:50:08< Tomsik> There's almost no job for humanities 20100701 19:50:14-!- Blueblaze [~irchon@166.205.14.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 19:50:21< Tomsik> because amateurs there can be just as good as professionals 20100701 19:50:44< Aethaeryn> It's because it's very easy to self-teach yourself humanities. 20100701 19:50:48< Aethaeryn> Especially now with the Internet. 20100701 19:50:53< Aethaeryn> Basically, read a lot of philosophy books. 20100701 19:50:56< Aethaeryn> And form opinions. 20100701 19:51:02< Aethaeryn> Replace philosophy with history or any other humanities, too. 20100701 19:51:18< Aethaeryn> It's harder to access the arcane works on computers. 20100701 19:51:24< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: ELITIST! 20100701 19:51:26< Aethaeryn> ZOMG! 20100701 19:51:38< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: YOU JUST COME ON IRC TO FEEL SUPERIORZ! 20100701 19:51:39< e_s-iOS> wha? 20100701 19:51:57< Aethaeryn> Oh sorry, I had the "sarcasm lock" key pressed. 20100701 19:52:05< Aethaeryn> Since otherwise everyone takes everything I say literally. 20100701 19:52:15< e_s-iOS> This is just hilarious 20100701 19:52:28< Tomsik> THIS IS COMEEEEEDYYYYY 20100701 19:52:31< e_s-iOS> The past debate/argument/whatever 20100701 19:52:35< Aethaeryn> Eh. 20100701 19:52:41< e_s-iOS> ZOMG! 20100701 19:52:43< Aethaeryn> It's just the masses hatin' on me, e_s-iOS 20100701 19:52:45< Tomsik> I'm here only to argue, so whatever 20100701 19:52:55< Tomsik> Anyway 20100701 19:52:58< e_s-iOS> I don't hate you, Aethaeryn 20100701 19:53:04< Aethaeryn> Those evil, ignorant masses are accusing me of elitism again. :'( 20100701 19:53:13< Tomsik> Humanities have almost no use in today's world of technology and science 20100701 19:53:21< Tomsik> and that's a fact 20100701 19:53:31< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: I disagree. 20100701 19:53:38< Tomsik> If you think otherwise, go back to goose feathers 20100701 19:53:44< Aethaeryn> I just don't think that arts and humanities work as careers anymore. 20100701 19:53:55< Aethaeryn> The Internet undercut their last best hope at making a living. 20100701 19:54:03< Aethaeryn> Amateurs, however, are needed now more than ever. 20100701 19:54:07< Tomsik> Humanities have just as much power as they had 200-300 years ago 20100701 19:54:54< Tomsik> and science develops at rate greatest than ever 20100701 19:54:57-!- grzywacz [~grzywacz@wesnoth/developer/grzywacz] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 19:55:18< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer 20100701 19:55:34< Aethaeryn> ^ Is that the intersection of physics and computer science? 20100701 19:56:00< Tomsik> Yeah 20100701 19:56:06< Aethaeryn> :o 20100701 19:56:09< Tomsik> Note, I count math to be in science 20100701 19:56:40< Hulavuta> mario 20100701 19:56:46< Tomsik> actually, I don't really see why in English "science" usually doesn't incorporate math 20100701 19:56:55< Aethaeryn> Math is only a science if it's physics ;-) 20100701 19:56:55< e_s-iOS> Smot 20100701 19:57:01< e_s-iOS> Wha? 20100701 19:57:10< e_s-iOS> Stupid touch screen 20100701 19:57:12-!- Blueblaze [~irchon@166.205.14.121] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 19:57:12< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: Actually, I think there's just a trinity of "natural sciences" 20100701 19:57:18< Aethaeryn> Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. 20100701 19:57:25< Aethaeryn> And those three just tend to get thought of as "science" 20100701 19:57:29< Aethaeryn> While every other field tries to be science. 20100701 19:57:33< Tomsik> Math, Physics and CS are of purity :p 20100701 19:57:37< Tomsik> rest doesn't have theoretical part 20100701 19:57:44< Aethaeryn> Eh... 20100701 19:57:59< Aethaeryn> Thank you for finding the intersection of the four classes I'm going to be taking the most of in college. 20100701 19:58:03< Aethaeryn> Theoretical. 20100701 19:58:10< Aethaeryn> *four fields 20100701 19:58:26< Tomsik> Chemistry is just Physics with some assumptions and paying less attention how it really works 20100701 19:58:38< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: http://xkcd.com/435/ 20100701 19:58:44< Aethaeryn> I think this was linked to earlier today, too. 20100701 19:58:51< Aethaeryn> So lurk fail. 20100701 19:59:21-!- Web-sidux637_ [~Blitzmerk@p3EE097EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 19:59:31< Tomsik> Imma not lurkin' here all the time 20100701 19:59:38< Aethaeryn> Anyway... 20100701 19:59:38< Tomsik> I'm sitting with my nose in code 20100701 19:59:42< Blarumyrran> Chemistry seems really narrow too. Sometimes I wonder how is it possible that new discoveries are still made there. 20100701 19:59:55< Tomsik> Blarumyrran: Chemistry is a really wide field 20100701 20:00:09< Blarumyrran> Compared to physics & math? 20100701 20:00:14< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: We don't know that much. 20100701 20:00:16< Aethaeryn> About anything. 20100701 20:00:17< Tomsik> maybe not math 20100701 20:00:25< Hulavuta> XD 20100701 20:00:25< Tomsik> but physics, probably 20100701 20:00:26< Aethaeryn> So every field has a billion discoveries still waiting. 20100701 20:01:16-!- Blitzmerker [~Blitzmerk@p3EE097EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20100701 20:01:20< Aethaeryn> For instance. 20100701 20:01:35< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: What is the fundamental building block of everything? 20100701 20:01:42< Aethaeryn> Atoms? Protons/electrons/neutrons? 20100701 20:01:47< e_s-iOS> Us 20100701 20:01:48< Blarumyrran> That is physics, not chemistry 20100701 20:01:52< Aethaeryn> We just keep finding more. 20100701 20:01:56< Aethaeryn> Eh... 20100701 20:02:05< Aethaeryn> I dealt with atoms a lot more in chemistry than physics 20100701 20:02:21< Aethaeryn> Though physicists did manage to split them. 20100701 20:02:24-!- Web-sidux637_ [~Blitzmerk@p3EE097EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20100701 20:02:24< Aethaeryn> We can thank them for world peace. 20100701 20:02:26-!- Web-sidux637_ [~Blitzmerk@p3EE097EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 20:02:33< sevis> Atoms are outdated by a few decades though, aren't they? 20100701 20:02:55< sevis> I mean, it's been known they're not the basic building block for that long. 20100701 20:03:06-!- Web-sidux637_ [~Blitzmerk@p3EE097EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #wesnoth [] 20100701 20:03:12< Aethaeryn> sevis: That's my point. 20100701 20:03:12-!- Blueblaze [~irchon@166.205.14.121] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100701 20:03:17< Aethaeryn> Over time, more things are discovered. 20100701 20:03:32-!- Unnheulu [~ieuan@cpc5-pnth2-0-0-cust800.5-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #wesnoth ["OMG SHUTUP WILL YOU!?!?!?!"] 20100701 20:03:39< Aethaeryn> So, based on past trends... 20100701 20:03:45< Aethaeryn> We don't really know anything yet. 20100701 20:03:51< e_s-iOS> Lol unnheulu's quit message 20100701 20:03:55< Aethaeryn> Compared to what the next 100 years will bring. 20100701 20:03:58< Tomsik> Aethaeryn: our models are better and better 20100701 20:04:06< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: Yes, that's my point. 20100701 20:04:06< sevis> Aethaeryn: Why be so pessimistic? 20100701 20:04:14< Tomsik> but I don't like physics exactly for that, you can't be sure 20100701 20:04:22< Tomsik> in math, if you know something, you know it for sure 20100701 20:04:27< Aethaeryn> sevis: Optimistic. 20100701 20:04:43< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: Eh, philosophy of mathematics does its best to cast doubt on that. 20100701 20:05:00< Aethaeryn> sevis: This is from the perspective of "Why are there still new discoveries?" 20100701 20:05:08< Aethaeryn> So optimistic = lots of things left to discover. 20100701 20:05:19< Tomsik> Aethaeryn: we know for sure that godel applies ;] 20100701 20:05:41-!- ancestral [~ancestral@97-116-104-133.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 20:06:52< Gambit> Electric_Brain: Yep. I found the problem. 20100701 20:07:02< Gambit> it was such a silly mistake too 20100701 20:07:18< Electric_Brain> Gambit: haha that's usual :P 20100701 20:07:25< Electric_Brain> Gambit: but you found it fast 20100701 20:07:32< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: I don't find philosophy useless, though. 20100701 20:07:35< Gambit> When I was edit->finding variable names to rename I missed one 20100701 20:07:40< Aethaeryn> You were implying that humanities are meh. 20100701 20:08:31-!- mrDuck [~kachna@r4ax178.net.upc.cz] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 20:08:34< Electric_Brain> Gambit: haha that happened a few times to me, programming though not WML 20100701 20:08:36< Tomsik> It quite is. 20100701 20:09:17< Blarumyrran> Law goes under humanities though? 20100701 20:09:33< Blarumyrran> (Or not? I don't really know the groupings there) 20100701 20:11:34< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Law? 20100701 20:12:03< Aethaeryn> Well, law seems to go under political science and public policy at my university. 20100701 20:12:04< Gambit> Electric_Brain: interested in a four player round? 20100701 20:12:08< Aethaeryn> But I don't do law. 20100701 20:12:12< Gambit> I think I can get ancestral and elvish soveriegn. 20100701 20:12:31< Gambit> Electric_Brain: nevermind 20100701 20:12:39< Gambit> 3p though 20100701 20:13:06< Electric_Brain> Gambit: not now sorry 20100701 20:13:12< Gambit> okay 20100701 20:13:19< Electric_Brain> but I can help you test it another time 20100701 20:14:40< e_s-iOS> Gambit: I can help test in about 2 hours, if that helps 20100701 20:15:47< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Why law? 20100701 20:16:30< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: omfg 20100701 20:16:32< Blarumyrran> Law is obviously not useless and has high earnings 20100701 20:16:48< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Well, that's not a humanities major. 20100701 20:16:54< Tomsik> Aethaeryn: fG? 20100701 20:17:01< Aethaeryn> That's something you have to get as a professional post-graduate degree 20100701 20:17:10< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, wikipedia puts in the "humanities" article 20100701 20:17:11< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: I need to take quantum mechanics now. 20100701 20:17:19< Blarumyrran> Of course classifications vary wildly 20100701 20:17:29< Tomsik> Aethaeryn: why? 20100701 20:17:35< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: Yeah, but it's not a "humanities major"... though I suppose some colleges might offer it as a major, but with the intent you go to law school afterwards 20100701 20:17:42< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: As itself, without law school, I'm sure you'd make no money 20100701 20:17:48< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fock_state 20100701 20:18:11< Aethaeryn> Please note that just about every teacher in the mathematics and science classes has an accent of some sort at my university. 20100701 20:18:51< Tomsik> Aethaeryn: I don't see why'd you need QM for that 20100701 20:18:55< Tomsik> you just need a little bit of it 20100701 20:19:04< Aethaeryn> but... but... 20100701 20:19:08< Tomsik> like, read a chapter or two 20100701 20:19:10< Aethaeryn> imagine a professor saying "fock" 20100701 20:19:14< Tomsik> mostly it's algebra 20100701 20:19:16< Tomsik> heh 20100701 20:19:28-!- e_s-iOS [~esios@pool-108-2-88-55.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 20:19:50< Aethaeryn> there's at least 10 different accents, nationally and internationally, where that could sound different. 20100701 20:20:16< Blarumyrran> How so, it's just 1 syllable 20100701 20:20:53< Aethaeryn> there are tons of vowel sounds 20100701 20:20:54< Aethaeryn> not just 5. 20100701 20:21:06< Aethaeryn> in fact, short/long of aeiou would give 10 20100701 20:21:08< Tomsik> well 20100701 20:21:18< Tomsik> there's one acronym for an institute in Poland 20100701 20:21:20< Aethaeryn> considering different accents sometimes mispronounce things. 20100701 20:21:36< Tomsik> which translate roughly to uhh.. English is so poor 20100701 20:21:40< Aethaeryn> like the Baltimore accent sounds more like "Baldamore" 20100701 20:21:41< Tomsik> "fuck", but a certain kind 20100701 20:21:57< Blarumyrran> Who would say fock with a long vowel though 20100701 20:22:17< Aethaeryn> meh 20100701 20:22:20< Aethaeryn> SOMEONE. 20100701 20:24:08< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: oh wait, i forget... are you in computer science or mathematics? 20100701 20:24:32< Aethaeryn> The difference, of course, being that computer scientists embrace calculators while mathematicians often shun them. ;-) 20100701 20:24:40< Blarumyrran> ... wut? 20100701 20:24:51< Blarumyrran> Why would a mathematician shun calculators? 20100701 20:24:58< Blarumyrran> Or why would a computer scientist need one? 20100701 20:25:03< Blarumyrran> It's rather the other way round 20100701 20:25:07< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: A computer is a calculator. 20100701 20:25:11< Aethaeryn> A giant, really fast, calculator. 20100701 20:25:31< Blarumyrran> From how you said it, I assumed you meant a pocket calculator 20100701 20:26:16< Aethaeryn> Do you know what my elementary school substitute teacher taught me about assuming? 20100701 20:26:22< Tomsik> Aethaeryn: well, I'm in computer science, but only theoretical computer science is really interesting to me 20100701 20:26:35< Tomsik> ass humming? 20100701 20:26:38< Aethaeryn> eh 20100701 20:26:48< Aethaeryn> ass|u|me <- when you assume 20100701 20:26:55< Aethaeryn> yes, she wrote that on the board. 20100701 20:26:58< Aethaeryn> I still remember it. 20100701 20:27:04< Blarumyrran> Traumatic childhood 20100701 20:27:09< Tomsik> It had to be fucking disgusting 20100701 20:27:11< Tomsik> or was it? 20100701 20:27:14< Aethaeryn> Hilarious childhood? 20100701 20:27:36< Aethaeryn> From what i remember of 3rd grade, kids are way more vulgar and know a lot more about stuff than adults give them credit. 20100701 20:27:59< Aethaeryn> There is no innocence 20100701 20:28:33< Tomsik> ASS U ME, NAO 20100701 20:28:34< Blarumyrran> 3rd grade isn't that bad, at least here. some 5th-9th graders are the worst. 20100701 20:28:43< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: Uh, not like that. 20100701 20:29:30< Aethaeryn> It's that assuming makes an ass of you 20100701 20:29:33< Aethaeryn> or something like that. 20100701 20:29:46< Blarumyrran> Well 20100701 20:30:20< Blarumyrran> I assume you're speaking English, not eg a language that is otherwise like English but "something" means there what is described in english as "Swamp monster" 20100701 20:30:34< Aethaeryn> actually 20100701 20:30:38< Aethaeryn> I speak American. 20100701 20:30:39< Aethaeryn> Nice try. 20100701 20:30:45< Blarumyrran> Que? 20100701 20:31:48< Blarumyrran> I don't think I've seen "American" refer to a specific language 20100701 20:32:04< Blarumyrran> Although it's often used for a person from USA 20100701 20:32:18< Aethaeryn> It's a joke/pun. 20100701 20:32:28< Aethaeryn> Because "English" is used to describe people from "England" 20100701 20:32:40-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit [Quit: noy] 20100701 20:35:43< Tomsik> it's called "American English" 20100701 20:35:52< Aethaeryn> Yes. 20100701 20:35:54< Tomsik> just like Italian is bastardized Roman, or something 20100701 20:36:09< Blarumyrran> vandalized :> 20100701 20:36:13< Aethaeryn> FROM NOW ON WHEN I AM NOT SERIOUS, I WILL TYPE IN CAPS SO THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT TAKE ME LITERALLY. 20100701 20:36:16< Aethaeryn> OR WILL I? 20100701 20:40:04-!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Quit: I didn't not quit.] 20100701 20:56:08-!- happygrue [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 20:57:45< Hulavuta> How do I change my quit message? 20100701 20:59:38-!- happygrue_ [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20100701 21:02:44< Tomsik> How do I shoot web? 20100701 21:02:49< Hulavuta> It's shot 20100701 21:02:56< Hulavuta> How do I shot web 20100701 21:03:11< Valkier> Who was phone? 20100701 21:04:03< Hulavuta> wut 20100701 21:04:22< Elvish_Pillager> yeah, the web is shot 20100701 21:04:32< Hulavuta> oh noes 20100701 21:04:35< Hulavuta> is all over me 20100701 21:04:38< Elvish_Pillager> How many of them? 20100701 21:05:27< Hulavuta> Over 9000!!! 20100701 21:05:36< Elvish_Pillager> That's a lot of noes. 20100701 21:05:47< Hulavuta> No I mean the web is all over me 20100701 21:05:57< Elvish_Pillager> Yeah, but I was ASKING how many noes. 20100701 21:06:10< Hulavuta> oh 20100701 21:06:12< Hulavuta> noes 20100701 21:06:28< Elvish_Pillager> Oh, so there weren't any of them? 20100701 21:06:38< Elvish_Pillager> Considering that there were O of them :p 20100701 21:06:57< Hulavuta> No there were over 9000 20100701 21:07:10< Elvish_Pillager> then I stand by my statement. 20100701 21:08:26-!- Blueblaze [~irchon@166.205.13.3] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 21:17:26< Hulavuta> I don't get it 20100701 21:19:19-!- Blueblaze [~irchon@166.205.13.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100701 21:22:56-!- Queenie [~teodora@178.218.206.248] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100701 21:23:11-!- Queenie [~teodora@178.218.206.248] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 21:24:40-!- G-Lo [~Prop@unaffiliated/g-lo] has quit [Quit: Changing server...] 20100701 21:35:36-!- G-Lo [~Prop@unaffiliated/g-lo] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 21:40:29-!- G-Lo [~Prop@unaffiliated/g-lo] has quit [Client Quit] 20100701 21:41:02-!- happygrue_ [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 21:41:07-!- G-Lo [~Prop@unaffiliated/g-lo] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 21:41:55-!- G-Lo [~Prop@unaffiliated/g-lo] has quit [Client Quit] 20100701 21:43:06-!- Blueblazed [~nick@adsl-99-148-247-235.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 21:43:09-!- Blueblazed [~nick@adsl-99-148-247-235.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100701 21:45:04-!- happygrue [~George@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20100701 21:46:48-!- shiremct [47391d44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.57.29.68] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 21:46:58-!- Ken_Oh [~briang@static-71-178-174-220.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20100701 21:48:42-!- G-Lo [~Prop@unaffiliated/g-lo] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 22:01:02-!- Samwise [~Samwise@p54A391F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 22:01:18-!- Samwise [~Samwise@p54A391F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20100701 22:17:05-!- Blueblaze [~irchon@166.205.13.3] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 22:20:52-!- Blueblaze [~irchon@166.205.13.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 22:23:22-!- noy [~Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 22:24:19-!- Tomsik [~Tomsik@bbw43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100701 22:26:52-!- pyshee [~pishi_YAY@76.91.104.117] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 22:26:58-!- PeterPorty [~Pete@pc-193-248-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 22:27:30< PeterPorty> HELLo 20100701 22:32:40< Gambit> Helllo too. 20100701 22:33:12< Hulavuta> What the hell is wrong with you 20100701 22:33:32< Hulavuta> You're sick 20100701 22:33:35< Gambit> My teeth are all crooked 20100701 22:33:44< Hulavuta> I'm talking to PeterPorty 20100701 22:33:53< PeterPorty> hi 20100701 22:34:08< Hulavuta> You sicko 20100701 22:34:16< Hulavuta> I have a good answer for that, but your mom might not want you to know about it... 20100701 22:34:28< PeterPorty> shut up, I'm busy trying to prove you wrong. 20100701 22:34:38< Hulavuta> Dickhead 20100701 22:35:17< Hulavuta> If I ignore you, that'll push you to the brink. hehehe 20100701 22:35:58< PeterPorty> shush I said. 20100701 22:36:04< PeterPorty> gee, children this days 20100701 22:37:02< Hulavuta> Gambit: I'm going to camp tommorow 20100701 22:37:35< ancestral> Off-topic Futurama + Legos: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20009439-1.html 20100701 22:37:50-!- Tomsik [~Tomsik@bca72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 22:38:07< Hulavuta> I love Futurama 20100701 22:38:43< Elvish_Pillager> Hulavuta: yeah, PeterPorty is one of the rare individuals that I /ignore before exchanging a word with ;) 20100701 22:38:56< Hulavuta> I don't blame you 20100701 22:38:59< PeterPorty> Elvish_Pillager, dude! 20100701 22:39:00< Hulavuta> Or else I'd be blaming myself lol 20100701 22:39:05< PeterPorty> 1hat have I ever done to you? 20100701 22:39:10< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30584&p=439393#p439393 20100701 22:39:12< Elvish_Pillager> Well, you exchanged some words with them 20100701 22:39:16< Gambit> Hulavuta: ^ 20100701 22:39:22< Elvish_Pillager> so you could still blame me for jumping the gun or something 20100701 22:39:22< Gambit> Say hello to Mr. Angry Eyes! 20100701 22:39:33< Hulavuta> :'( 20100701 22:39:56< Hulavuta> That's what I expected TSI to say 20100701 22:41:40< Hulavuta> Gambit: Maybe it should be in the experimental corner? Idk 20100701 22:41:51< Gambit> No. 20100701 22:42:03< Gambit> Maybe it should just get implemented in the engine to give us WMLy people more power. 20100701 22:42:15< Hulavuta> Well I was assuming he meant it for mainline 20100701 22:42:29-!- PetePorty [~Pete@pc-193-248-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 22:42:39< elvish_sovereign> hi I'm back 20100701 22:42:41< Hulavuta> He mentioned that it wuld help the balance of the game 20100701 22:42:53-!- PetePorty [~Pete@pc-193-248-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has left #wesnoth [] 20100701 22:42:57< Hulavuta> but I think that with a little bit of extra work (cos I've no idea how this is done =D) a greater game balance could be achieved. 20100701 22:43:02< Hulavuta> That's what he said 20100701 22:43:07< Elvish_Pillager> yeah Gambit... the poster was clearly suggesting that they change Default units 20100701 22:43:18< Hulavuta> So I thought he meant to fix all of the factions for that 20100701 22:44:17-!- Miccoh [~Miccoh@hoasnet-fe1fdd00-57.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 22:45:28< Gambit> Hulavuta: see also: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=25590&start=45 20100701 22:45:30-!- Miccoh [~Miccoh@hoasnet-fe1fdd00-57.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20100701 22:45:46< Gambit> but wait there's more! 20100701 22:46:41< Hulavuta> What am I supposed to see? 20100701 22:47:11< Gambit> why we can't have nice things 20100701 22:47:22< Hulavuta> Okay, I get it, but I didn't say it then 20100701 22:47:26< Gambit> turuk cleaned the thread up 20100701 22:47:32< Gambit> but it didn't survive :( 20100701 22:48:43< Gambit> Hulavuta: sorry though 20100701 22:49:08< Hulavuta> It's okay 20100701 22:49:10< Hulavuta> I forgive you lol 20100701 22:49:19< Hulavuta> Wait, but I DID post there before? 20100701 22:50:31< Gambit> Hulavuta: Yes. You were excited about drakes absorbing fire or something. 20100701 22:50:47< Hulavuta> Hmm wait, is that bad? 20100701 22:51:31< Hulavuta> I thought you wanted changes to the game engine? 20100701 22:53:50< Gambit> new (optional) features are good 20100701 22:55:08< Hulavuta> So I wanted it? 20100701 22:55:16< Hulavuta> But that was a bad idea because it would tip balance? 20100701 22:55:40< Gambit> There were a fair amount of posts about how it would break the game. 20100701 22:56:28< Gambit> I guess people are used to other people posting retarded balance suggestions. 20100701 22:56:33-!- sevis [~sevis@178.228.180.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20100701 22:56:47< Gambit> Me? I would never make a balance suggestion because I haven't the foggiest what balance is. 20100701 22:57:24< Gambit> I just ask for crazy features that allow the game to do things it was never supposed to. ;) 20100701 22:57:48< PeterPorty> Gamby! Elvish_Pillager is ignoring me.... I'm mad. 20100701 22:59:08< Hulavuta> Gambit: Well in Breaking Ground, it's balanced, because everyone gets the same stuff. Except there's a little bit of player 1 advantage 20100701 23:00:26< PeterPorty> yeah, the other players should get +1 gold 20100701 23:00:29< Gambit> There'll be even more player one advantage with archers 20100701 23:00:39< PeterPorty> maybe last player should get +2 20100701 23:00:57< PeterPorty> even +3 20100701 23:00:59< PeterPorty> :D 20100701 23:01:08< Gambit> PeterPorty, Hulavuta: Would you guys like to play? I added archers. 20100701 23:01:10< Gambit> :D 20100701 23:01:15< PeterPorty> sure 20100701 23:01:21< PeterPorty> need to download again? 20100701 23:01:27< PeterPorty> link me. 20100701 23:02:33< PeterPorty> Gambit... 20100701 23:02:46< Gambit> hold on 20100701 23:02:55< elvish_sovereign> Gambit, are you guys playing Breaking Ground? 20100701 23:03:00< PeterPorty> and this time remember not to host locally, ok? 20100701 23:03:03< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: yes 20100701 23:03:04< PeterPorty> yep 20100701 23:03:09< elvish_sovereign> ahh 20100701 23:03:13< Gambit> elvish_sovereign, PeterPorty, Hulavuta: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=30589 20100701 23:03:18< Gambit> you'll need fresh downloads 20100701 23:03:22< elvish_sovereign> yep, seen that 20100701 23:03:32< elvish_sovereign> want me to play? 20100701 23:03:38< Hulavuta> I don't want to play 20100701 23:03:42< Hulavuta> But I'll observe 20100701 23:03:50< Hulavuta> Do I need it to observe? 20100701 23:03:52< PeterPorty> homo 20100701 23:03:59< Gambit> Yes 20100701 23:04:02< Gambit> You do. 20100701 23:04:04< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: yes 20100701 23:04:09< Gambit> if you want :) 20100701 23:04:14< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: Remember what happened to me when I started saying all those synoyms for a homosexual? 20100701 23:04:24< Hulavuta> shadowmaster silenced me. 20100701 23:04:25< Gambit> Hulavuta doesn't want to play because he lost in 2 turns last time :( 20100701 23:04:25< PeterPorty> yes. 20100701 23:04:31< PeterPorty> I know 20100701 23:04:31< Hulavuta> I suck at that stuff anything 20100701 23:04:36< Hulavuta> *anyway 20100701 23:04:44< Hulavuta> And yes, that IS why I don't want to play 20100701 23:04:51< Hulavuta> It won't be fun with me dying fast anyway 20100701 23:05:04< elvish_sovereign> k downloaded and installed 20100701 23:05:29< Gambit> okay I'll go host 20100701 23:05:32< Gambit> Hulavuta: Sure it will :D 20100701 23:05:33< PeterPorty> k 20100701 23:05:38< Gambit> You'll be more prepared this time! 20100701 23:05:39< Gambit> xD 20100701 23:05:47< PeterPorty> Hula, only way to improve is by playing 20100701 23:05:48< elvish_sovereign> I'll prob fail :) 20100701 23:06:16< Hulavuta> Fine! I'll play 20100701 23:06:18< Gambit> hosted 20100701 23:06:28< Hulavuta> But don't expect me as a threat 20100701 23:06:33< PeterPorty> :D 20100701 23:32:09-!- John_R [~john@67-61-196-160.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #wesnoth 20100701 23:44:55-!- Tomsik [~Tomsik@bca72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Thus spoke Tomsik] --- Log closed Fri Jul 02 00:00:23 2010