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20100702 00:22:09< elvish_sovereign> PeterPorty: Who won?
20100702 00:22:21< PeterPorty> nobody yet
20100702 00:22:59< elvish_sovereign> Gambit died yet?
20100702 00:24:01< PeterPorty> no
20100702 00:24:09< elvish_sovereign> omg
20100702 00:24:10< PeterPorty> we r all gonna tie... unless I die now.
20100702 00:24:20< elvish_sovereign> im obseving now lol
20100702 00:25:07< PeterPorty> :D
20100702 00:28:22< Gambit> Man
20100702 00:28:28< Gambit> I could have had PeterPorty possibly.
20100702 00:28:39< Gambit> I made many mistakes thanks to greed that game.
20100702 00:28:42< PeterPorty> nah, my othher archer was charged
20100702 00:28:56< PeterPorty> so i would have killed you anyway
20100702 00:29:27< PeterPorty> :'( ain't we gonna play again?
20100702 00:29:29< PeterPorty> ok...
20100702 00:29:37< elvish_sovereign> in 2.5 hrs guys
20100702 00:29:48< elvish_sovereign> see ya then
20100702 00:29:52< PeterPorty> vye
20100702 00:29:59< elvish_sovereign> vye?
20100702 00:30:02< elvish_sovereign> bye*
20100702 00:30:04< PeterPorty> that's like bye but with a v
20100702 00:30:09< PeterPorty> ;)
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20100702 00:30:37< PeterPorty> I onve read a book that talked about vitchees...
20100702 00:30:45< PeterPorty> vitches*
20100702 00:31:21< ancestral> The vicked vitch of the vest?
20100702 00:31:50< PeterPorty> dunno, but yeah, something to do with it...
20100702 00:31:59< PeterPorty> I loled when I read it...
20100702 00:32:08< PeterPorty> I was young then... 
20100702 00:32:12< PeterPorty> (even more than now)
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20100702 01:16:40< Valkier> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=42529
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20100702 01:18:42< shadowmaster> I don't know why, but the way his head is attached to the body (or the armor, rather) reminds me of a cyborg
20100702 01:18:55< Valkier> lol
20100702 01:18:59< PeterPorty> ...looks like hamel...
20100702 01:19:18< shadowmaster> it's Lord Hamel, duh.
20100702 01:19:39< Valkier> Welp. Guess I'm on the right track then.
20100702 01:19:45< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, did you know, you are on my friend list!
20100702 01:21:39< Blarumyrran> I don't understand what's going on on his stomach
20100702 01:22:11< Valkier> A belt is going over some armor?
20100702 01:22:17< Valkier> Dunno what to tell ya.
20100702 01:22:25< Blarumyrran> what's the cyan thing?
20100702 01:22:36< Valkier> Cyan thing?
20100702 01:22:39< Blarumyrran> Yes
20100702 01:22:45< PeterPorty> he has long legs to be a dwarf
20100702 01:22:51< Blarumyrran> near the belt
20100702 01:23:06< Valkier> Behind the axe?
20100702 01:23:19< Blarumyrran> on top of it
20100702 01:24:05< Valkier> I think either you have a different idea of what Cyan is, or I'm going color blind.
20100702 01:24:13< Blarumyrran> well, light blue then
20100702 01:24:15< Blarumyrran> anyway
20100702 01:24:18< Blarumyrran> what is it?
20100702 01:24:24< Valkier> Is it just below the shoulder pad?
20100702 01:25:06< Blarumyrran> yes
20100702 01:25:14< Valkier> Oooh. The little fancy lookin thing?
20100702 01:25:14< PeterPorty> dood! the metalic thing at the end of the belt thingy...(right?)
20100702 01:25:19< Valkier> That's just a belt end thing.
20100702 01:25:30< Valkier> It'll end up looking bolted on.
20100702 01:25:36< Blarumyrran> the belt goes past it though
20100702 01:25:53< Blarumyrran> Ah, I see
20100702 01:25:55< Valkier> No it doesn't...?
20100702 01:29:10< Valkier> PeterPorty: His feet are just below the bottom of the canvas. The angle his pants are going down at don't necessarily continue at that angle.
20100702 01:29:45< PeterPorty> hmmm...
20100702 01:29:47< PeterPorty> ok.
20100702 01:30:12< Blarumyrran> http://imagebin.org/103754 and what are the lines I marked with red there?
20100702 01:30:24< Valkier> Segmented plates.
20100702 01:30:51< PeterPorty> Fat Hamel...
20100702 01:31:06< shadowmaster>  /query espreon
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20100702 01:31:13< Valkier> Well he's a dwarf.
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20100702 01:31:39< PeterPorty> -hi hula
20100702 01:31:56< Valkier> And the guy who made dwarven culture for Wesnoth is pretty happy with him. :-P
20100702 01:32:25< Blarumyrran> dave?
20100702 01:32:32< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: Hi
20100702 01:32:35< Valkier> Esr
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20100702 01:34:15< Valkier> You all will love my next portrait. Making the elven princess lady. :-P
20100702 01:34:18< Valkier> No armor anywhere!
20100702 01:34:21 * Valkier whimpers
20100702 01:34:33< shadowmaster> Valkier: good luck!
20100702 01:34:50< Hulavuta> >:o
20100702 01:34:55< Valkier> shadowmaster: What do you think? Big breasts? Tiny breasts?
20100702 01:35:07< Valkier> I'm thinking she had back problems when she was 8.
20100702 01:35:07< PeterPorty> Valkier, when you say 'no armor' you mean 'no clothes', right?
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20100702 01:35:12< shadowmaster> your choice.
20100702 01:35:17< Valkier> lol
20100702 01:35:17< PeterPorty> LOL
20100702 01:35:19< shadowmaster> you are the artist.
20100702 01:35:21< Valkier> You're no fun.
20100702 01:35:27< PeterPorty> Valk... funny
20100702 01:35:39< PeterPorty> btw, make them bigger than the head...
20100702 01:35:47< shadowmaster> just remember that if the player doesn't have Elenia around, the princess can be an annoying arrogant bitch
20100702 01:35:48< PeterPorty> and I like big headed women
20100702 01:35:49< PeterPorty> ;)
20100702 01:35:50< shadowmaster> and not help at all
20100702 01:35:58< Valkier> lol
20100702 01:36:02< Hulavuta> OMG
20100702 01:36:06< Hulavuta> I hated the Princess
20100702 01:36:23< shadowmaster> yes, so do I
20100702 01:36:36< shadowmaster> "do" because she's still in NR
20100702 01:36:47< Hulavuta> "hated" because I never played NR more than once
20100702 01:37:03< Hulavuta> Who made the NR portraits first?
20100702 01:37:10< PeterPorty> Gambit, how much do you charge for math lessons?
20100702 01:37:14< Blarumyrran> Various Artists
20100702 01:37:26< Hulavuta> Did it have the same art before it went mainline?
20100702 01:37:48< PeterPorty> I played it before it went mainline
20100702 01:38:03< PeterPorty> but I haven't now, so I can't tell if it has the same....
20100702 01:38:09< Hulavuta> Ok
20100702 01:38:10< PeterPorty> :/
20100702 01:38:25< Hulavuta> I didn't really like Northern Rebirth anyway
20100702 01:38:38< Valkier> Nobody does.
20100702 01:38:41< Hulavuta> Way too hard, and the characters/story was/were crazy
20100702 01:38:45< Valkier> But someone else took TRoW
20100702 01:39:04< Blarumyrran> Who?
20100702 01:39:14< PeterPorty> I liked NR....
20100702 01:39:16< Hulavuta> Is anybody planning to replace the Delfador portrait? The old man version
20100702 01:39:16< Valkier> JustinOperable had started working on them.
20100702 01:39:26< PeterPorty> before it was mainline, anyway...
20100702 01:39:33< Valkier> Hulavuta: Is he in NR?
20100702 01:39:37< Hulavuta> That Camerin guy made no sense
20100702 01:39:37< PeterPorty> O.o
20100702 01:39:45< Hulavuta> Valkier: No, HttT
20100702 01:39:51< Valkier> No clue then.
20100702 01:39:55< Hulavuta> He wanted to kill stuff for fun lol
20100702 01:40:01< Blarumyrran> Iirc jetryl said he'd want to redo him one day
20100702 01:40:10< Blarumyrran> As he did the current httt portraits
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20100702 01:40:16< Hulavuta> The Delfador looks like an Anime character, and like that guy from that Lego thing
20100702 01:40:18< Blarumyrran> Might be wrong
20100702 01:40:25< Hulavuta> Too many shadowmasters!!! Run away!!!
20100702 01:40:41< Hulavuta> They each have like 300 hitpoints!
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20100702 01:41:23< PeterPorty> each?
20100702 01:41:27< Hulavuta> The Old Delfador portrait was much better, and looked way more magey
20100702 01:41:29< Valkier> Jetrel did the HttT portraits?
20100702 01:41:44< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: That's why I said They "each" have like 300 hitpoints
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20100702 01:42:05< Hulavuta> Yea!!!
20100702 01:42:07< Hulavuta> We're winning! Lol
20100702 01:42:08< PeterPorty> oh... didn't read the 'each'
20100702 01:42:13< PeterPorty> hahaha
20100702 01:42:20< PeterPorty> 2 down, 1 left
20100702 01:42:40< Valkier> Ugh. I could probably finish Hamel in half an hour, but I'm being so lazy.
20100702 01:42:42< Hulavuta> I've decided to play IfTU and use an army of Elyssas and Master of Darknesses
20100702 01:42:44< PeterPorty> dude, remember that 1 guy can ban every single person in here....
20100702 01:43:13< PeterPorty> Valkier, you are just like me 'why do today what you can do tomorrow?'
20100702 01:43:22< Valkier> Not really.
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20100702 01:43:30< Valkier> More like I've been working on it for 7 hours straight.
20100702 01:43:53< Hulavuta> I'm going to camp tomorrow
20100702 01:44:00< PeterPorty> well, when I get into something, I also work a lot... but then I don't for like 2 months...
20100702 01:44:11< PeterPorty> so I better finish stuff the day I start them.
20100702 01:44:22< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, why?
20100702 01:44:42< Valkier> PeterPorty: Well, I figure I want to have every portrait done by the end of July.
20100702 01:44:44< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: What do you mean why?
20100702 01:44:59< PeterPorty> cool Valk
20100702 01:45:05< Hulavuta> Also I think the Master of Darkness is the only unit with a magical attack that doesn't miss 70-100 percent of its attacks
20100702 01:45:13< PeterPorty> umm... why r you going to camp?
20100702 01:45:43< Hulavuta> Because it's fun
20100702 01:46:22< Hulavuta> It's not really "camp" it's more like vacation with learning
20100702 01:46:31< PeterPorty> oh, I had forgoten other people actually enjoy being away of tech.
20100702 01:46:47 * PeterPorty shivers
20100702 01:46:48< Hulavuta> Lol, well, some people have real lives
20100702 01:46:51< Hulavuta> I'm not one of them
20100702 01:46:58< Hulavuta> But I like to do outdoors stuff
20100702 01:47:02< Hulavuta> Sometimes
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20100702 01:47:19< PeterPorty> Real life is for people who aren't creative enough to think of something better
20100702 01:47:31< PeterPorty> :D
20100702 01:47:32< Caboose> Excuse me Gambit, I need speaks with you.
20100702 01:47:49< Hulavuta> Gambit: He need speaks with you
20100702 01:47:59< PeterPorty> Gambit: I asked first
20100702 01:48:01< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: All people live in reality, no one can deny that
20100702 01:48:17< Caboose> Hulavuta: I reject your reality and substitute my own.
20100702 01:48:19< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, you would be amazed
20100702 01:48:30< Blarumyrran> I live in a fantasy world with ponies. All you are just part of my dream
20100702 01:48:33< Hulavuta> The internet stuff isn't really another life, it's just you sitting at a computer, 
20100702 01:48:52< Hulavuta> You get sucked into it, like when you are reading a book or watching a movie, that you forget about real life, but it's always there
20100702 01:48:56< Caboose> And hallucinations are reality too, Am I right?
20100702 01:48:59< Gambit> What Blarumyrran says.
20100702 01:49:19< Hulavuta> Hallucinations are real to you
20100702 01:49:24< Gambit> to each of us, the rest of us could just be part of our dream
20100702 01:49:29< Gambit> I *know* I'm real.
20100702 01:49:35< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXSkfTedVb0
20100702 01:49:36< Gambit> But that's just what a dream person would say to you.
20100702 01:49:39< Hulavuta> Is shadowmaster still here?
20100702 01:49:47< Caboose> Therefore Schizophrenics are living in a different reality, Yes?
20100702 01:50:10< Hulavuta> Yes, but I highly doubt any of us here are mentally messed up, all jokes aside.
20100702 01:50:21< PeterPorty> U ever talked to me?
20100702 01:50:24< Gambit> Dr. Who mindf*ckery
20100702 01:50:27< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: /names   says so
20100702 01:50:28< Caboose> But that still proves the point that there is not just one reality
20100702 01:50:33< Caboose> People can have their own realities
20100702 01:50:52< Hulavuta> shadowmaster: wut
20100702 01:51:00< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: your face.
20100702 01:51:03< PeterPorty> every single of my multiple personalities has it's own reality
20100702 01:51:07< Gambit> And your mum!
20100702 01:51:22< shadowmaster> try to ask clear questions, thanks.
20100702 01:51:23< PeterPorty> Gambit, how much do yuo charge?
20100702 01:51:24< Blarumyrran> And my bow!
20100702 01:51:26< Gambit> But she's just part of your dream too.
20100702 01:51:48< Caboose> And my axe.
20100702 01:52:02< Hulavuta> shadowmaster: What did you mean when you said /names says so
20100702 01:52:04< Gambit> So it is decided.
20100702 01:52:18< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: let me explain something
20100702 01:52:27< shadowmaster> whenever I say stuff like this: /foo
20100702 01:52:28< Gambit> shadowmaster: Where is the fortune thing again?
20100702 01:52:29< shadowmaster> it's an IRC command
20100702 01:52:35< Hulavuta> Ok
20100702 01:52:41< Hulavuta> I'll google it then
20100702 01:53:02< Hulavuta> I wonder why noone ever says "Yahoo It"
20100702 01:53:03< shadowmaster> justl ike /quit, /part, /mode, /names, /join, /kick, /quote...
20100702 01:53:08< Caboose> Google is faster.
20100702 01:53:13< Gambit> shadowmaster: I love this one: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/misc/fortunes/wesnoth?rev=43608&r1=43607&r2=43608&view=diff
20100702 01:53:15< Hulavuta> So what does names mean though?
20100702 01:53:28< Blarumyrran> Maybe it's just me, but after dave left, Google has been giving worse results
20100702 01:53:35< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: the user list in the channel.
20100702 01:53:39< Hulavuta> Dave left Google?
20100702 01:53:47< Caboose> Dave left the internets.
20100702 01:53:51< PeterPorty> what dave?
20100702 01:53:51< shadowmaster> or the list of users in the channel, if you prefer.
20100702 01:53:55< Caboose> THE dave.
20100702 01:54:00< PeterPorty> our dave?
20100702 01:54:02< Hulavuta> WHY!!!
20100702 01:54:04< Hulavuta> Yes Our Dave
20100702 01:54:07< Hulavuta> What other Dave???
20100702 01:54:14< PeterPorty> he hasn't left the internets
20100702 01:54:16< Caboose> Dave from Blue's clues
20100702 01:54:20< Caboose> You sillies.
20100702 01:54:26< PeterPorty> ohh...
20100702 01:54:34< PeterPorty> he died... too much crack
20100702 01:54:35< Hulavuta> Why did he left Gugle
20100702 01:54:41< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: irchelp.org is a good start point for IRC newbies if you want to learn more.
20100702 01:54:49< PeterPorty> Dave worked for google?
20100702 01:54:55< Caboose> Dave owned google.
20100702 01:54:57< PeterPorty> That is my dream....
20100702 01:55:01< Hulavuta> Lol
20100702 01:55:16< Hulavuta> HEY NOY LOOK OVER HERE IT'S CABOOSE LOLOLOLOLOL
20100702 01:55:21< Caboose> Chuck norris was his right hand, Captain falcon his left.
20100702 01:55:22< PeterPorty> lol
20100702 01:55:31< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: argh, don't spam
20100702 01:55:31< Caboose> Noy knows I'm here.
20100702 01:55:37< Hulavuta> shadowmaster: Sorry
20100702 01:55:38< Hulavuta> lol
20100702 01:55:43< shadowmaster> "LOL" is noisy enough, no need to make it worse.
20100702 01:55:46< Hulavuta> Ok
20100702 01:56:58< PeterPorty> Caboose, does he know you are in the mp lobby too?
20100702 01:56:58< PeterPorty> :D
20100702 01:56:58< Caboose> Probably not.
20100702 01:56:58< PeterPorty> hahaha
20100702 01:56:58< Caboose> >:D
20100702 01:56:58< Hulavuta> Shouldn't getting banned in the MP server make you get banned in IRC too? 
20100702 01:56:58< Hulavuta> I mean, depending on what happened
20100702 01:56:58< Gambit> Hulavuta: Yeah cause it's all linked!
20100702 01:56:58< Gambit> (sarcasm)
20100702 01:56:58< Hulavuta> I didn't say it was linked
20100702 01:56:58< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, do you like bacilos?
20100702 01:56:58< Hulavuta> I'm saying that I thought they would ban somebody there too
20100702 01:57:01< Hulavuta> If it was because of bad conduct or something
20100702 01:57:03< PeterPorty> Gambit, you gonna answer my question?
20100702 01:57:05< Caboose> I got banned for talking in the lobby, Short version. Not for DDOSing the server.
20100702 01:57:33< PeterPorty> Gambit, how much do you charge?
20100702 01:57:33< Gambit> People don't get banned for DDOSing the server.
20100702 01:57:37< Gambit> They get assassinated.
20100702 01:57:42< PeterPorty> lol
20100702 01:57:47< shadowmaster> this talk about bans and such ruins my appetite.
20100702 01:57:47< Caboose> Gett assassinated is the same as getting banned
20100702 01:57:52< Caboose> It's getting banned from life.
20100702 01:57:59< Caboose> Permenantly.
20100702 01:58:09< Gambit> And like permanently permanently.
20100702 01:58:09< shadowmaster> let's talk about something happier
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20100702 02:12:21< Caboose> Awezome forxe.
20100702 02:12:21< Espreon> Meh, you people are just envious.
20100702 02:12:21< Hulavuta> Gambit:  Far Far Far too old
20100702 02:12:21< Caboose> I'm going to spam this to all my friends.
20100702 02:12:24< Gambit> Hulavuta: Lies.
20100702 02:12:32< Gambit> Your taste buds can't repely flavor of that magnitude!
20100702 02:12:42< Hulavuta> I love the video, I'm just saying it's old
20100702 02:12:57< Gambit> Hulavuta: Your mom is old
20100702 02:13:01< Gambit> But not... too old.
20100702 02:13:03< Gambit> Hulavuta: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQljzQ_FpUE
20100702 02:13:12 * Gambit needs to stop using mom jokes before it becomes habbit :\\
20100702 02:13:22< shadowmaster> Gambit: please
20100702 02:13:31< shadowmaster> :)
20100702 02:14:04< Hulavuta> Why is Gambit gold in some messages and not others? Is it because he said Hulavuta: ? 
20100702 02:14:12< Gambit> Hulavuta: Yes
20100702 02:14:13< Caboose> Gambit is always gold.
20100702 02:14:18< Hulavuta> Yes
20100702 02:14:18< Blarumyrran> Gold what?
20100702 02:14:19< Caboose> He just doesn't show it all the time.
20100702 02:14:22< Hulavuta> Name
20100702 02:14:27< Hulavuta> How the hell do you change your name color?
20100702 02:14:28< Blarumyrran> Where?
20100702 02:14:31< Gambit> All that is Gambit does not glitter.
20100702 02:14:33< Hulavuta> Name color
20100702 02:14:37< Blarumyrran> On forums?
20100702 02:14:39< Caboose> Yes you do
20100702 02:14:47< Caboose> You glitter like a gay vampire in the sunlight.
20100702 02:14:48< Gambit> Blarumyrran: He just doesn't understand IRC.
20100702 02:14:56< Gambit> Like what's client specific and what isn't.
20100702 02:14:56< Blarumyrran> Oh.
20100702 02:15:00< Gambit> But I was there not long ago.
20100702 02:15:37< Hulavuta> Yeah, I never used IRC except for #grandtortuga
20100702 02:15:42< Hulavuta> And there was no one there
20100702 02:15:44< Hulavuta> Ever
20100702 02:16:02< Hulavuta> So I had an account and nothing to do with it until I found out that Wesnoth had one
20100702 02:16:03< Caboose> Advertisment!
20100702 02:16:10< Hulavuta> And then I came here and pissed the shit out of all of you
20100702 02:16:24< Hulavuta> Caboose: No, it's not, it's not my room, and I never go there, and neither does anyone else
20100702 02:17:04< Caboose> Captain obvious saves the day once again.
20100702 02:17:51< Hulavuta> You said I was advertising
20100702 02:18:04< Caboose> Hulavuta: I'm just kidding with you, Dude.
20100702 02:18:07< Caboose> Chill.
20100702 02:18:16< Hulavuta> Well it's hard to tell
20100702 02:18:17< Hulavuta> I'm not mad
20100702 02:18:23< Hulavuta> I was just explaining
20100702 02:18:39< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Also I found another plothole in star wars canon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAOX_CHU0JY&feature=channel
20100702 02:19:03< Blarumyrran> "This video is not available."
20100702 02:19:32< Gambit> Why can't you people live in America? :(
20100702 02:19:33< Gambit> lol
20100702 02:19:41< Blarumyrran> Speaking of plot holes in Star Wars canon is just... so... silly
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20100702 02:20:43< PeterPorty> I live in america
20100702 02:20:56< PeterPorty> oh, you mean the US...
20100702 02:21:02< Blarumyrran> So times goes by and random nonsense happens, with the principal charactrers constantly resurrecting/gainingnewpowers/killingsecondarycharacters
20100702 02:21:03< PeterPorty> no then.
20100702 02:21:38< Hulavuta> Gambit: I live in America
20100702 02:21:46< Blarumyrran> My knowledge being based on wookiepedia
20100702 02:21:57< PeterPorty> me too Hula!
20100702 02:22:12< Gambit> Hulavuta: okay here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4n0F9R90F0&NR=1
20100702 02:22:47< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: We all use America as a synonym for USA
20100702 02:22:52< Hulavuta> Because we americans are lazy asses
20100702 02:23:12< Gambit> Hulavuta: Your momma is so stupid she thought Jar Jar came with pickle pickles!
20100702 02:23:12< Hulavuta> So if you ever see us say America we mean USA
20100702 02:23:15< PeterPorty> US is easier to type
20100702 02:23:21< shadowmaster> Gambit: please
20100702 02:23:32< Hulavuta> I know, but we just use America to mean USA because we're called Americans
20100702 02:23:49< PeterPorty> we can't insult each other's moms, shadowmaster ?
20100702 02:24:04< PeterPorty> America is a continent.
20100702 02:24:24< Gambit> Hulavuta: Your momma is so stupid she thinks lightsabers have fewer calories!
20100702 02:24:39< Gambit> And now back to work...
20100702 02:25:56< shadowmaster> Gambit: please
20100702 02:26:34< Hulavuta> America isn't a continent
20100702 02:26:41< Hulavuta> North America and South America are continents
20100702 02:26:44< Hulavuta> But America isn't
20100702 02:26:47< Hulavuta> America is nothing
20100702 02:26:49< Hulavuta> lol
20100702 02:27:15< PeterPorty> America is a continent
20100702 02:27:21< PeterPorty> devided in 3 sections
20100702 02:27:27< PeterPorty> north, south and central.
20100702 02:27:44< PeterPorty> sometimes central isn't counted, so it's just north and south
20100702 02:28:00< Hulavuta> Check Wikipedia dude
20100702 02:28:08< Hulavuta> The Americas, or America,[1][2] (Spanish: América, Portuguese: América, French: Amérique, Dutch: Amerika) are lands in the Western hemisphere, also known as the New World, comprising the continents of North America and South America with their associated islands and regions. America may be ambiguous in English, as it is more commonly used to refer to the United States of America.[3][2]
20100702 02:28:35< Hulavuta> America may not mean USA, but it's what we use to refer to it as
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20100702 02:38:09< Hulavuta> Just like bucks and dollars
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> And that other thing
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> ...
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> but it means the continent
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> what u use it for, is your problem.
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> But everytime I use America to refer to the US, you keep saying "America is a continent"
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> afaik, a perra in spanish is an animal, idc what other people think it means.
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> yes.
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> because it is.
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> So is Africa and Asia and Europe one continent?
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> 8are
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> *are
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> The first time I had to correct a correction
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> lol
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> Eurasia is one, africa is anotherone
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> I know, but they decided to change it, remember? That's why we have Europe and Asia, even though it used to be Eurasia, although some still consider it Eurasia
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> But Africa is connected too
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> Should it be Eurafricasia?
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> afro-eurasia actually
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> But it's not
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> it is
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> actually.
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> Lol
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> You're right
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> ;)
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> But if you're right about that using WIkipedia
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> as always.
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> Then I'm right about America
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> Because I used Wikipedia as well
20100702 02:38:10< Hulavuta> So I'm right
20100702 02:38:10< PeterPorty> no, it also said, it actually is a continent, but people use it to reffer to the US
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> The Americas, or America,[1][2] (Spanish: América, Portuguese: América, French: Amérique, Dutch: Amerika) are lands in the Western hemisphere, also known as the New World, comprising the continents of North America and South America with their associated islands and regions.
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> Read it
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> so... it says I'm right, and some people know you are not right, but they still support your point of view.
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> ok, I read it
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> America = the new world
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> America != USA
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> yEs, and it says that it's made UP of continents, and the associated islands
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> It didn't say it WAS a continent
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> well... it is still not gonna make it be a country....
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> And, my only point was that America is a word people use for USA. It's slang, it doesn't mean it, but people use it
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> slang is for girls.
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> I'm not saying it was, but I'm just saying it gets kind of annoying whenever you say that when someone uses America to mean USA
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> Whatever
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> Where is everybody?
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> cool people only use words with the meanings that appear in the dictionary
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> u scared them away.
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> oh noes
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> Anyway, I'm going to have to say USA now
20100702 02:38:11< Caboose> I like turtles
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> ...
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> Caboose: Me too
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> not moi
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> I like Snapping ones the best
20100702 02:38:11< Caboose> I like to snap turtles too.
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> I do like turtle soup tho...
20100702 02:38:11< Caboose> I've never had that.
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> Um, I said I like snapping ones the best, I didn't say I like snapping them
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> I like to 'peel' squirrels
20100702 02:38:11< PeterPorty> and watch them cry in pain before they die.
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> I like to eat monkeys
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> rofl
20100702 02:38:11< Caboose> That's
20100702 02:38:11< Caboose> Evil.
20100702 02:38:11< Hulavuta> Remember that show Ozzy and Drix?
20100702 02:38:11< Caboose> I like petting my cat.
20100702 02:38:11-!- PeterPorty is now known as PeterWiggin
20100702 02:38:11< pyshee> cat
20100702 02:38:21< PeterWiggin> oh, I like 'peeling' cats too.
20100702 02:38:30< Gambit> PeterWiggin: I dig it
20100702 02:38:36< PeterWiggin> ;)
20100702 02:38:47< Gambit> Also the greatest work of science fiction so far this century is getting a new season next tuesday
20100702 02:38:51 * Gambit spreads the word :o
20100702 02:39:05< PeterWiggin> ummm... what is that?
20100702 02:39:09< Gambit> Warehouse 13
20100702 02:39:17< PeterWiggin> never heard of it.
20100702 02:39:32< Hulavuta> This century's only been going on for a decade
20100702 02:39:42< Caboose> I train pokemon for a living.
20100702 02:39:42< Gambit> Hulavuta: I know but it was technically last decade
20100702 02:39:46< Gambit> so I couldn't say "this decade"
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20100702 02:39:54< Hulavuta> Ok
20100702 02:40:04< Gambit> The 00's?
20100702 02:40:12< Caboose> Lol.
20100702 02:40:20< Gambit> Or is it technically still the same decade...
20100702 02:40:35< Caboose> Ah yes, I remember back in the double zeros.
20100702 02:40:42< Gambit> Nope it is a new decade.
20100702 02:40:57< Gambit> This is the 10's.
20100702 02:41:12 * PeterWiggin 'peels' Hulavuta's skin slowly, watching how tears come out of his eyes, and blood out of every single part of his body... then sit's back, throwing salt to the skinless and defenseless Hulavuta, watching him cry in pain, and enjoys how his face twists in agony.
20100702 02:41:21< Gambit> It would be so awesome if classic rock made a come back in the 80's
20100702 02:41:25< Gambit> and I live to see it :o
20100702 02:41:32< Hulavuta> PeterWiggin: I know you are but what am I>
20100702 02:41:47< PeterWiggin> huh?
20100702 02:41:51< Caboose> Hulavuta, It would have been better if you said "no u"
20100702 02:41:59< Hulavuta> no u
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20100702 02:42:08< PeterWiggin> ... 
20100702 02:42:22< PeterWiggin> shadowmaster, can I make that my new signature in the forums?
20100702 02:42:35< Hulavuta> no u
20100702 02:42:42< PeterWiggin> pleeeeease?
20100702 02:43:01< PeterWiggin> nvm, I'll just go put it.
20100702 02:43:01< PeterWiggin> brb
20100702 02:43:12< Hulavuta> I don't really care
20100702 02:43:20< PeterWiggin> good for you,
20100702 02:43:31< Hulavuta> Real Life is for people with no imagination. I can imagine that your sig says something else
20100702 02:43:45< Hulavuta> :P
20100702 02:44:14< PeterWiggin> ...
20100702 02:45:11< Hulavuta> :-D
20100702 02:45:15< Gambit> shadowmaster said something?
20100702 02:45:19< Gambit> What?
20100702 02:45:24< Gambit> Is he split out :o
20100702 02:45:35< Gambit> No wait he's on ma listamabob
20100702 02:46:27< Gambit> PeterWiggin, shadowmaster:15 minutes I guess
20100702 02:46:35< Gambit> If e_s shows up.
20100702 02:46:35< Hulavuta> listamabob?
20100702 02:46:42< PeterWiggin> ok
20100702 02:51:41< Gambit> And I didn't add any new features.
20100702 02:51:50< Gambit> Because I can't think straight.
20100702 02:51:52< Gambit> acetaminophen == fail
20100702 02:51:53< Gambit> But I can't take anything stronger. :(
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20100702 02:54:24< Caboose> It is now time for me to say something completely worthless to the human race yet again.
20100702 02:54:24< Caboose> Dogs are awesome.
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20100702 02:56:57< Hulavuta> Doesn't anybody here have Halo 2?
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20100702 03:01:28< Gambit> e_s is late
20100702 03:01:32< Gambit> we shall smite him!
20100702 03:02:43< Gambit> Hulavuta: delete your last post in the math thread please
20100702 03:02:48< Gambit> Hulavuta: No. It counts as an extra curricular (in which I have 114% because of all the overtime I do :lol2: ) and I get a free graphics tablet. But that's it. I'm no more qualified here than another other pre-calculus student.
20100702 03:02:54< Gambit> Hulavuta: my answer ^^
20100702 03:03:10< Gambit> now let's not derail the first intelligent discussion in off topic in months ;)
20100702 03:03:52< Blarumyrran> Gambit, 
20100702 03:03:54< Blarumyrran> "Whole numbers are constants."
20100702 03:04:10< Blarumyrran> Just what are you saying
20100702 03:04:16< Blarumyrran> All numbers are constants
20100702 03:04:29< Hulavuta> Gambit: Done
20100702 03:04:48< Gambit> Blarumyrran: hmmm true
20100702 03:04:52< Gambit> I dunno
20100702 03:04:54< Hulavuta> So you don't get paid?
20100702 03:05:18< Hulavuta> Okay, I'm going to go play Halo 2 now
20100702 03:05:19< Hulavuta> byes
20100702 03:05:52< Gambit> Hulavuta: I get a something to negate my B in latin ;)
20100702 03:05:56< Gambit> That's good enough payment for me
20100702 03:06:09< PeterWiggin> Ew, latin.
20100702 03:06:53< PeterWiggin> anyone seen midnight carnival arround lately?
20100702 03:07:09< PeterWiggin> I made a littl something for him.
20100702 03:07:23< Gambit> yes
20100702 03:07:25< PeterWiggin> :D
20100702 03:07:43< PeterWiggin> little*
20100702 03:08:13< Gambit> But he decided to switch to his other account
20100702 03:08:18< Gambit> darnit where is elvish soverien at.
20100702 03:08:22< elvish_sovereign> here :)
20100702 03:08:22< Gambit> OH BlarumyrranI know what I meant!
20100702 03:08:23< elvish_sovereign> just got back
20100702 03:08:24< Gambit> I was thinking chemistry at the time
20100702 03:08:30< elvish_sovereign> PeterWiggin: wha?
20100702 03:08:38< PeterWiggin> huh?
20100702 03:08:43< Gambit> When you take a measurement you use significant digits
20100702 03:08:52< Gambit> like 0.9 means that you know the 0 is accurate and you're guessing the .9
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20100702 03:42:44< PeterWiggin> Hulavuta, you should be in the forum regulars group.
20100702 03:42:59< PeterWiggin> that would make me respect you a little at least.
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20100702 03:53:09< Aethaeryn> I need a program that can actually do equations.
20100702 03:53:14< Aethaeryn> Not something pathetic like OpenOffice "calc"
20100702 03:53:38< Aethaeryn> not only does it use an unnatural system that's probably best set for tallying ranges of columns and nothing else... it doesn't seem to be able to do the math it does that well
20100702 03:54:22< Hulavuta> PeterWiggin: I've talked to you enough to realize that I don't respect your opinion whatsoever, and you want to pick fights for no reason. So, I don't give a damn
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20100702 03:54:49< PeterWiggin> I just said you should be in the forum regulars...
20100702 03:54:56< PeterWiggin> you have a high post count
20100702 03:55:03< PeterWiggin> gee... why so emotional?
20100702 03:55:07< Hulavuta> And you said that it would make you respect me a little
20100702 03:55:09< Aethaeryn> PeterWiggin: Post count doesn't mean anything.
20100702 03:55:13< Hulavuta> He's right
20100702 03:55:22< Hulavuta> Plus, artisticdude has more than me anyway
20100702 03:55:23< Aethaeryn> I used to be all into post count...
20100702 03:55:27< Hulavuta> Me too
20100702 03:55:29< Aethaeryn> But honestly, if you get into post count, your quality drops
20100702 03:55:33< Hulavuta> Until it got me banned 
20100702 03:55:55< PeterWiggin> yeah, but hula commonly has decent posts, he tries to help people
20100702 03:56:06< PeterWiggin> well... excluding his off topic threads
20100702 03:56:51< PeterWiggin> thereforw, he has about 900 helpful posts.
20100702 03:56:52< Hulavuta> Then Noy told me not to get involved and to not help people
20100702 03:57:06< Hulavuta> My posts -445
20100702 03:57:12< PeterWiggin> I bet he didn't say that.
20100702 03:57:29< PeterWiggin> He never said 'Hulavuta, stop helping people.'
20100702 03:57:41< noy> yes, I basically did. 
20100702 03:57:45< Hulavuta> Ta-da!
20100702 03:57:56< Hulavuta> Now I will troll people forever! hahahaha
20100702 03:58:09< Hulavuta> Okay maybe not
20100702 03:58:55< PeterWiggin> ...
20100702 03:59:11< PeterWiggin> noy, why would you want a user to stop being helpful?
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20100702 03:59:27< noy> because they aren't being helpful
20100702 03:59:51< PeterWiggin> well... afaik, Hula has helped some people...
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20100702 03:59:59< PeterWiggin> he has helped me a couple of times....
20100702 04:00:23< noy> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30566
20100702 04:00:32< noy> most of the posts in that thread... not helpful
20100702 04:01:00< Hulavuta> :-(
20100702 04:01:42< PeterWiggin> you think so?
20100702 04:01:47< noy> yup
20100702 04:02:06< Hulavuta> But one question: Would you have accepted the add-on if there was nothing racist/calling people noobs in it?
20100702 04:02:08< noy> basically just fed a troll an extra two pages of attention
20100702 04:02:09< PeterWiggin> he tried to calm him down, and he explained him some stuff, he also tried to help, with his limited knowledge.....
20100702 04:02:16< noy> probably not
20100702 04:02:24< noy> oh wait
20100702 04:02:33< noy> if there was neither of either, yes... why wouldn't we?
20100702 04:02:56< Hulavuta> Because that's basically what I suggested, although he didn't seem to understand and I had to keep repeating myself,
20100702 04:04:29< noy> um, thats because he's a troll
20100702 04:04:33< PeterWiggin> see? helpful.
20100702 04:04:40< noy> he doesn't want "elp"
20100702 04:04:43< noy> help
20100702 04:04:53< noy> he wants attention 
20100702 04:05:02< PeterWiggin> well, in the end, it's up to you... so... c ya
20100702 04:05:27< PeterWiggin> so if someone wants help, we give him help, but if someone wants attention, we don't?
20100702 04:05:53< noy> uh... yeah?
20100702 04:06:08< PeterWiggin> haha
20100702 04:06:09< PeterWiggin> ok...
20100702 04:06:13< PeterWiggin> well...
20100702 04:06:15< PeterWiggin> yeahz
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20100702 04:08:14< noy> Want to help us with creating a great game? Sure we're happy to help
20100702 04:08:30< noy> Want to act like a petulant teenager? Thats not our purpose
20100702 04:09:11< PeterWiggin> okeydokey.
20100702 04:09:16< PeterWiggin> can I be both?
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20100702 04:09:56< PeterWiggin> nvm my question
20100702 04:10:01< PeterWiggin> Un... is that you?
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20100702 04:21:20< Hulavuta> Oh, I see now
20100702 04:21:31< Hulavuta> So if he really wanted help, I would have been helpful?
20100702 04:22:17< Hulavuta> Gambit: How do I leave the chatroom?
20100702 04:22:32< Hulavuta> Nevermind
20100702 04:22:36< Hulavuta> Good night everyone
20100702 04:22:39< Hulavuta> Camp tomorrow
20100702 04:29:38< PeterWiggin> bye
20100702 04:29:40< PeterWiggin> c ya
20100702 04:29:47< PeterWiggin> sleep well
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20100702 04:38:24< Gambit> Hulavuta: wanna play?
20100702 04:38:27< Gambit> They need one more
20100702 04:38:42< Gambit> oh nevermind
20100702 04:40:16< PeterWiggin> bye guys, sleep well, c ya tomorrow
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20100702 04:45:03< Caboose> Is there any way to save the chatlog from your game?
20100702 04:45:27< shadowmaster> yes.
20100702 04:45:36< shadowmaster> save the replay, and then you can view the chatlog in it
20100702 04:45:45< Caboose> Oh, That works. Thanks.
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20100702 05:22:10< Gambit> elvish_sovereign, shadowmaster: good night
20100702 05:22:42< shadowmaster> night Gambit 
20100702 05:22:48< elvish_sovereign> g'nite
20100702 05:22:56< Gambit> I wonder if I should report that tomorow?
20100702 05:23:00< Gambit> It's just a color bug.
20100702 05:23:25< elvish_sovereign> ok gotta go too
20100702 05:23:29< elvish_sovereign> g'nite everyone
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20100702 05:24:01< shadowmaster> too complicated to report
20100702 05:24:15< shadowmaster> and I'm a dev, therefore I'm lazy.
20100702 05:24:17< shadowmaster> so you do it.
20100702 05:25:15< Gambit> yeah to reproduce you must 1. have a side wit ha leader
20100702 05:25:18< Gambit> 2. make that leader die
20100702 05:25:24< Gambit> 3. give your side to an observer
20100702 05:25:33< Gambit> (who is also the host?)
20100702 05:26:15< Gambit> I think that last bit is what did it. How often is the host an ob?
20100702 05:26:23< Gambit> oh and your side must have no units either
20100702 05:26:36< Gambit> so that your turn is auto-skipped
20100702 05:26:42< Gambit> meeeh
20100702 05:26:46< Gambit> anywho
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20100702 05:56:32< Caboose> Hulavuta: I blame you for Gambit logging off
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20100702 06:43:19< Valkier> Done with Hamel!
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20100702 06:45:42< Blarumyrran> Valkier, the writing on the hammer doesn't align with its direction
20100702 06:45:51< Valkier> Not meant to.
20100702 06:45:58< Valkier> It's just something hastily put on it.
20100702 06:46:44< Valkier> Kinda like scribbling on a piece of paper.
20100702 06:46:57< Blarumyrran> Yeah well, the hammer in general looks... sloppy
20100702 06:47:28< Valkier> Looks like a big ugly smashing tool to me.
20100702 06:47:31< Blarumyrran> As in, not like a regular (3d rectangle)
20100702 06:47:46< Valkier> And if you understoof the runes, you'd understand why. :-)
20100702 06:47:50< Valkier> understood*
20100702 06:47:54< Blarumyrran> Right
20100702 06:54:35< Valkier> I miss Kitty. :-(
20100702 06:54:41< Valkier> Someone go get her back.
20100702 06:54:57< pyshee> whenever you say something relating to a cat, i'm alerted.
20100702 06:55:19< Valkier> That's a strange super power.
20100702 06:55:33< Blarumyrran> I miss Pekka
20100702 06:55:40< Blarumyrran> he made some pretty awesome things
20100702 06:55:45< Valkier> Who was Pekka?
20100702 06:56:10< Blarumyrran> eg human/elf castles, iirc
20100702 06:56:31< shadowmaster> also some pretty awesome attack icons
20100702 06:56:38< Blarumyrran> Yeah, hammers and axes
20100702 06:56:45< shadowmaster> the last batch of which were posted before the great crash
20100702 06:56:50< shadowmaster> I mean, the Great Crash of 2008.
20100702 06:57:06< Valkier> What was the great crash?
20100702 06:57:15< Blarumyrran> The sky rained brimstone
20100702 06:57:25< Blarumyrran> The servers smelled after it all week long
20100702 06:57:30< Blarumyrran> And were down
20100702 06:57:37< shadowmaster> And we lost all the stuff posted between April/May 2008 and June 2008
20100702 06:57:54< shadowmaster> and it took almost a month (more than a month?) to recover
20100702 06:57:57< shadowmaster> from backups
20100702 06:58:14< Valkier> Ouch
20100702 06:58:34< shadowmaster> it also took extra time to move to a more reliable provider
20100702 06:58:34< shadowmaster> well, relatively more reliable.
20100702 06:58:50< Blarumyrran> ibiblio?
20100702 06:59:04< shadowmaster> no, that was before we moved to the provider on which the Great Crash occurred.
20100702 07:17:13< Caboose> Hello people talking about something relatively interesting
20100702 07:17:25< Caboose> I am still here serving no purpose.
20100702 07:17:34< Valkier> Do you play the game?
20100702 07:17:50< Caboose> I play every game I can get my hands on.
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20100702 08:51:41< Ivanovic> moin
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20100702 13:04:30< Hulavuta> Hi
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20100702 13:32:40< Hulavuta> I
20100702 13:32:51< Hulavuta> I'm going to camp now, so goodbye all. For the weekend
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20100702 16:37:37< Carneus> hello, can anyone say why my mouse clicks are not registered when wesnoth is started in windowed mode
20100702 16:37:43< Carneus> fullscreen works fine
20100702 16:37:49< Gambit> Carneus: Ubuntu?
20100702 16:37:53< Carneus> arch linux
20100702 16:38:16< Gambit> Carneus: just a second
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20100702 16:38:35< Carneus> okay
20100702 16:38:48< e_s-iOS> Hi
20100702 16:38:56< sevis> libSDL 1.2.14 has a bug that leads to this behaviour, downgrade, install a patched version or switch to a different WM.
20100702 16:39:02< Gambit> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29433&hilit=sdl
20100702 16:39:45< Carneus> ok, thanks
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20100702 16:39:56< e_s-iOS> Hey Gambit
20100702 16:40:02< Gambit> e_s-iOS: Hey
20100702 16:40:12< Unnheulu> Don't I get a hi? :(
20100702 16:40:22< e_s-iOS> Hi Unnheulu 
20100702 16:40:56< e_s-iOS> Gambit: I see you released another version of breaking ground today
20100702 16:41:34< Gambit> e_s-iOS: Just a few minutes ago :)
20100702 16:41:38< Gambit> It's much prettier now.
20100702 16:41:40< e_s-iOS> Yep
20100702 16:41:54< Gambit> I also reported that weird color glitch
20100702 16:41:55< Gambit> http://gna.org/bugs/?16220
20100702 16:42:00< Carneus> cool, i downgraded sdl and it works now
20100702 16:42:05< Unnheulu> Hi e_s-iOS
20100702 16:42:05< Gambit> I'm waiting for shadowmaster to get up so I can bug him for his screenshot.
20100702 16:42:09< Gambit> Carneus: Cool!
20100702 16:42:19< Unnheulu> Can I ask, why e_s not es?
20100702 16:42:29< Gambit> Unnheulu: elvish_sovereign
20100702 16:42:42< Unnheulu> Aha
20100702 16:42:56< e_s-iOS> Also, es is too similar to EP
20100702 16:43:04< e_s-iOS> Needs an underscore
20100702 16:43:10< Gambit> I need to take some screenshots for the thread now.
20100702 16:43:15< e_s-iOS> K
20100702 16:43:17< Gambit> Picture = 2000 forum posts :o
20100702 16:43:21< Gambit> ;)
20100702 16:43:25< e_s-iOS> o.O
20100702 16:43:28< Elvish_Pillager> Gosh
20100702 16:43:32< Elvish_Pillager> I'm only worth four pictures? :p
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20100702 16:43:44< e_s-iOS> Yup
20100702 16:43:49< Unnheulu> e_s-iOS, please play xmoto with me :)
20100702 16:43:59< Unnheulu> But, don't type /me in the  chat otherwise I segfault out
20100702 16:44:23< e_s-iOS> I'm not at the computer right now
20100702 16:44:27< Unnheulu> Bah
20100702 16:44:29< Unnheulu> Loser :P
20100702 16:44:53< e_s-iOS> Usually, when I'm on e_s-iOS that means I'm off the computer
20100702 16:44:57< Unnheulu> We have an ex-player interested in porting to iOS
20100702 16:45:04< e_s-iOS> :)
20100702 16:45:15< Unnheulu> But, I've never known him to do serious code before now, so I'm highly sceptical
20100702 16:45:18< e_s-iOS> It would actually make a great app for iPhone and such
20100702 16:45:24< Carneus> btw, has anyone played TRoW-Temple in the Deep? i think this scenario is just impossible
20100702 16:45:35< e_s-iOS> Yes, it's not that bad
20100702 16:45:40< Elvish_Pillager> recently? not me :p
20100702 16:45:51< Unnheulu> e_s-iOS, it would be excessively simple to make a simple version of the game
20100702 16:45:58< e_s-iOS> Yeah
20100702 16:46:01< Elvish_Pillager> it's definitely a killer if you've been relying on horsemen though
20100702 16:46:02< Unnheulu> Check for collisions regularly
20100702 16:46:05< Carneus> i have three palladins but undead guys still kill them easily
20100702 16:46:17< e_s-iOS> Buy with the accelerometer it would be awesome
20100702 16:46:18< Elvish_Pillager> yeah... you quickly learn that horses are not good in caves
20100702 16:46:32< Unnheulu> e_s-iOS, it would always have a code-side accelerometer
20100702 16:46:33< e_s-iOS> Carneus: Why the he'll arr you using horses in caves!
20100702 16:46:35< Elvish_Pillager> I don't suppose you have any Mage of Light?
20100702 16:46:36< Unnheulu> *always*
20100702 16:46:39< e_s-iOS> Oh, ninja'd
20100702 16:46:39< Unnheulu> Even the simplest one
20100702 16:46:57< Carneus> they are my best units
20100702 16:47:01< Unnheulu> You just need to have a graphical way of showing
20100702 16:47:09< Carneus> i dont know what would be better against level 2 undead
20100702 16:47:13< Elvish_Pillager> outlaws are good too
20100702 16:47:14< Carneus> they have arcane
20100702 16:47:17< e_s-iOS> Carneus: Try outlaws
20100702 16:47:22< Elvish_Pillager> since it's dark all the time too
20100702 16:47:25< e_s-iOS> Doh, ninja'd again
20100702 16:47:25< Carneus> ok, thanks for the tip
20100702 16:47:35< zookeeper> if you have any of the loyal HI that helps too
20100702 16:47:39< zookeeper> and burin
20100702 16:47:47< e_s-iOS> Oh yes, burin
20100702 16:47:56 * Unnheulu never bought a horseman last time he tried tRoW
20100702 16:48:09< Unnheulu> I <3 spearmen/magi
20100702 16:48:17< e_s-iOS> I remember him taking on revenants alone, only back by a WM
20100702 16:48:22< Carneus> i have rushed previous scenarios with horsemen
20100702 16:48:22< Elvish_Pillager> with recruited thugs, it's a bit annoying since they'll die and be reanimated, but with night and L3 leadership they are pretty effective, assuming the scenario hasn't changed a lot since I played it
20100702 16:48:23< e_s-iOS> Burin, that is
20100702 16:48:24< zookeeper> then just utilize the chokepoints so that you get to hit them more than they can hit you, rotate units using white mages for healing
20100702 16:48:37< Elvish_Pillager> Unnheulu: IIRC, last time I played it was "Mages only, Great Mage path only"
20100702 16:48:50< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100702 16:48:50< zookeeper> O.o
20100702 16:48:51< Elvish_Pillager> I got bored at the big port scenario when I had about six great mages :p
20100702 16:49:00< zookeeper> that's a new one
20100702 16:49:01< zookeeper> i
20100702 16:49:02< e_s-iOS> o.O
20100702 16:49:09< zookeeper> i've only done it with mages only
20100702 16:49:15< Unnheulu> I got bored on the first turn of sc. 3
20100702 16:49:23< Unnheulu> I recruited everything though >.>
20100702 16:49:25< Elvish_Pillager> Well... I wouldn't exactly call it a new one, considering that this was years ago :D
20100702 16:49:37< Gambit> meh the version in the thread is bugged
20100702 16:49:50< e_s-iOS> Elvish_Pillager: I'm still working on that scouts only challenge
20100702 16:49:53< Elvish_Pillager> I might have also been insisting on making all "strong, resilient" great mages
20100702 16:49:57< Elvish_Pillager> or at least all resilient
20100702 16:50:00< e_s-iOS> Though taking a break with EI
20100702 16:50:16< Elvish_Pillager> I like "win more" challenges
20100702 16:50:23< Unnheulu> I'm trying EP's one now
20100702 16:50:29< Elvish_Pillager> hehe
20100702 16:50:32< e_s-iOS> Well, yeah
20100702 16:50:44< Unnheulu> Except on easy^^]
20100702 16:50:49< Unnheulu> s/]//
20100702 16:50:50< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu: Try HttT with scouts only on hard
20100702 16:50:55< Elvish_Pillager> Like No Losses, where winning at it also gives you boatloads of L3 units, since you never lose XP
20100702 16:51:07< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100702 16:51:13< Unnheulu> Woah
20100702 16:51:15< Elvish_Pillager> or "Only advance Strong,Resilient units" where winning at it gives you the best advanced units
20100702 16:51:18< Unnheulu> It looks beautiful in trunk
20100702 16:51:21< Unnheulu> (sc 1)
20100702 16:51:42< Unnheulu> But it lags masses
20100702 16:51:50< Unnheulu> Anyway of finding the fps?
20100702 16:51:57< Unnheulu> Uhohs, wml error
20100702 16:52:05< e_s-iOS> o.O
20100702 16:52:18 * Unnheulu thinks its probably an engine error
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20100702 16:52:48< e_s-iOS> hhyloc!!!
20100702 16:53:24< Gambit> okay version in thread fixed
20100702 16:53:30< e_s-iOS> Ok
20100702 16:53:35< Gambit> e_s-iOS: hills->grass->sand->dirt->cave->chasm
20100702 16:53:44< e_s-iOS> Ahh better
20100702 16:53:47< Gambit> no more of that confusion over cave and cave path because overlays are hard to see through
20100702 16:53:53< e_s-iOS> Yup
20100702 16:54:02< zookeeper> i wonder what happened to my "HttT recruiting only mages" run...clearly i never finished it since i haven't posted it to the challenges thread
20100702 16:54:18< Gambit> e_s-iOS: The arrows also look better now.
20100702 16:54:23< e_s-iOS> Yes!
20100702 16:54:31< Gambit> and the units have nozoc ellipses
20100702 16:54:33< Unnheulu> Eww
20100702 16:54:35< Gambit> and the overlays have borders
20100702 16:54:37< Unnheulu> I'm not playing wesnoth
20100702 16:54:40< Unnheulu> I can't play it with this lag
20100702 16:54:42< e_s-iOS> Good
20100702 16:54:46< Gambit> there's also markers for chasms that are giving you income
20100702 16:54:52< e_s-iOS> Cool
20100702 16:54:54 * Elvish_Pillager is contemplating doing the following: HttT hard, always recruit the unit with the most hitpoints, always choose the advancement option with the most hitpoints, never lose a strong/resilient unit, never give a kill to a unit that's not a hero or strong/resilient
20100702 16:54:57< Gambit> so you can easily judge your income vs your opponents iwthout the status table
20100702 16:55:28< Unnheulu> omg
20100702 16:55:34< Gambit> So this morning's updates was all about graphics.
20100702 16:55:37< Unnheulu> I wish I knew howto debug segfaults
20100702 16:55:42< hhyloc> e_s-iOS: umm sorry I did something wrong?
20100702 16:55:44< e_s-iOS> Gambit: Lets test in 1-1.5 hours
20100702 16:55:52< e_s-iOS> hhyloc: Why?
20100702 16:56:43< hhyloc> umm I didn't notice the right forum to comment
20100702 16:56:51< hhyloc> sorry about that
20100702 16:57:10< e_s-iOS> I wasn't talking to you actually
20100702 16:57:16< hhyloc> ?
20100702 16:57:46< e_s-iOS> Cause the forum title was confusing
20100702 16:59:46< Gambit> e_s-iOS: sounds good
20100702 17:00:44< zookeeper> Elvish_Pillager, do the following: you can choose the direction from which you perform your first attack in a scenario, but after that the direction must cycle clockwise. so if you make your first attack from the south, the next attack must be from sw, then nw, then n, etc.
20100702 17:00:58< Elvish_Pillager> Heck.
20100702 17:00:58< zookeeper> actually you could enforce it in WML :P
20100702 17:01:00< e_s-iOS> Wha?
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20100702 17:01:12< Elvish_Pillager> right..
20100702 17:01:21< e_s-iOS> You guys do the weirdest challenges....
20100702 17:01:57< Elvish_Pillager> zookeeper: Do this one: You can only kill with hero units. If any other unit scores a kill, you lose. (Not sure which campaign this would be best for. IIRC I got to Bay of Pearls like this in HttT, but that's pretty much impossible)
20100702 17:02:05< zookeeper> or perhaps you must only pick one direction for each scenario from which you can attack
20100702 17:02:53< zookeeper> Elvish_Pillager, sounds impossible in the early scenarios when you got fewer heroes, or in ones like BoP
20100702 17:03:10< zookeeper> do you also count defensive kills?
20100702 17:03:19< Elvish_Pillager> YES.
20100702 17:03:35< zookeeper> meh, i don't like letting the AI decide whether i win or lose
20100702 17:03:41< Elvish_Pillager> But you control the AI.
20100702 17:03:58< Elvish_Pillager> The AI _always_ decides whether you win or lose.
20100702 17:04:06< zookeeper> what
20100702 17:04:12< e_s-iOS> Dude
20100702 17:04:20< Elvish_Pillager> But I guess you could also play with that allowed
20100702 17:05:35< Elvish_Pillager> or you could go for the much lighter "No recalls", which is similar
20100702 17:06:10< e_s-iOS> Oh that's much easier
20100702 17:06:16< Elvish_Pillager> right
20100702 17:06:34< Elvish_Pillager> but you're still trying to get as many kills to the heroes as possible, so it is distinctly similar
20100702 17:06:56< e_s-iOS> Hardest I think is the "Only Recalls" you told me before
20100702 17:07:14< Elvish_Pillager> no, the hardest challenge is "You must lose scenario 1"
20100702 17:07:22< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100702 17:07:36< Gambit> e_s-iOS: I'm going to do the random starting player right after breakfa... lunch :s
20100702 17:07:47< Gambit> that late already?
20100702 17:07:49< Elvish_Pillager> By the way, you can beat the orcs in Elves Besieged
20100702 17:07:54< e_s-iOS> Is it possible to beat scenario one on hard anyway?
20100702 17:07:57< e_s-iOS> Oh
20100702 17:07:58< Elvish_Pillager> but you don't get anything for it
20100702 17:08:05< Elvish_Pillager> and you have to be really lucky :p
20100702 17:08:11< e_s-iOS> Less ambushes in crossroads
20100702 17:08:24< Elvish_Pillager> what?
20100702 17:08:29< e_s-iOS> Yes
20100702 17:08:42< e_s-iOS> Gambit: So when do ya wanna play?
20100702 17:09:01< Elvish_Pillager> Beating the orcs at Dwarven Doors is much more practical, but you have to have a ridiculously power fore to actually do it within the _time limit_.
20100702 17:09:19< e_s-iOS> Yeah, but I never do
20100702 17:09:30< e_s-iOS> Too lazy, always
20100702 17:09:30< Elvish_Pillager> Never have a ridiculously power force?
20100702 17:09:58< Elvish_Pillager> Play "Only advance Quick, Dextrous sylphs"
20100702 17:10:20< Elvish_Pillager> Either you'll lose horribly, or you'll end up with a ridiculously powerful force
20100702 17:10:38< e_s-iOS> Yup
20100702 17:10:50< e_s-iOS> No, I always have a sizable force
20100702 17:10:56< e_s-iOS> Just too lazy
20100702 17:13:39< Gambit> e_s-iOS: Whenever
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20100702 17:17:30< e_s-iOS> Aaaargh
20100702 17:17:36< e_s-iOS> I hate my internet
20100702 17:18:37< e_s-iOS> Gambit: Lets play in about a half hour
20100702 17:18:48< Gambit> Okay I have to figure this random thing out anyway.
20100702 17:18:57< Gambit> The RNG has to adapt to missing players.
20100702 17:19:01< e_s-iOS> Okay
20100702 17:19:04< Gambit> Like what if they play with 1,2, and 4?
20100702 17:19:07< Gambit> Or 2, and 4?
20100702 17:19:23< e_s-iOS> :)
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20100702 17:20:05< Gambit> OH I know.
20100702 17:20:09< Gambit> I don't have to pick a side randomly.
20100702 17:20:10< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100702 17:20:18< Gambit> I'll just make them all pick a number 1-100
20100702 17:20:22< Gambit> biggest one wins
20100702 17:20:27< e_s-iOS> Cool
20100702 17:20:29< Gambit> null sides lose
20100702 17:20:30< e_s-iOS> Lol
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20100702 17:24:09< e_s-iOS> o.O colloquy just quit on me
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20100702 17:29:25< Gambit> ~20 lines of code eliminates host advantage :D
20100702 17:29:33< e_s-iOS> Yay
20100702 17:29:35< Gambit> player 1 still has an advantage
20100702 17:29:39< Gambit> but whoever gets player 1 is random now
20100702 17:29:56< e_s-iOS> Why you don't you use conquest's method
20100702 17:30:19< e_s-iOS> Slightly more gold for later players, like
20100702 17:30:42< e_s-iOS> If you start with player 1 having 12 gold, then from player 2-6:
20100702 17:30:57< e_s-iOS> 14,16,18,20,22
20100702 17:31:05< e_s-iOS> Gold, that is
20100702 17:32:49< Gambit> whoa game crashed when I went to test :\
20100702 17:32:59< e_s-iOS> :/
20100702 17:33:12< e_s-iOS> Wml error or game error?
20100702 17:33:32< Gambit> dunno
20100702 17:33:34< Gambit> this time it didn't
20100702 17:33:38< Gambit> but this time player 1 won the draw
20100702 17:33:42< Gambit> I dunno who won last time
20100702 17:34:14< e_s-iOS> Last time? You mean the game of the shadowmasters?
20100702 17:34:16< Gambit> maybe a bug with [end_turn]?
20100702 17:34:27< Gambit> e_s-iOS: No I mean just a few seconds ago when I tested
20100702 17:34:33< Gambit> it cashed upon starting the game
20100702 17:34:35< e_s-iOS> Oh
20100702 17:34:40< Gambit> then I tried again and it worked
20100702 17:35:10< Gambit> crashed again
20100702 17:35:27< Gambit> stdout is blank?
20100702 17:35:37< e_s-iOS> ?
20100702 17:37:10< Gambit> It has something to do with the end_turn tag
20100702 17:37:39< e_s-iOS> Actually I do remember reading somewhere that the end turn tag has problems?
20100702 17:37:42< e_s-iOS> Dunno
20100702 17:40:48< e_s-iOS> Gambit: So who's gonna play with us?
20100702 17:41:01< e_s-iOS> Or are we having a duel? :)
20100702 17:41:30< Gambit> Dunno
20100702 17:41:48< e_s-iOS> N3T though
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20100702 17:43:03< Gambit> Elvish_Pillager: Want to play?
20100702 17:43:09< Gambit> (or anyone)
20100702 17:43:14< Gambit> (Like Blarumyrran)
20100702 17:43:17< Elvish_Pillager> I'd like to, but busy
20100702 17:44:15< Gambit> shikadibot: Want to play wesnoth? :D
20100702 17:45:00< Gambit> sevis: Up for a game of MP?
20100702 17:45:43< sevis> Gambit: No thanks, coding.
20100702 17:53:15< Gambit> I wonder where e_s went.
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20100702 18:01:03< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: Couldn't find anyone else
20100702 18:01:07< Gambit> So it's a duel :P
20100702 18:01:11< elvish_sovereign> ok
20100702 18:01:19< Gambit> You'll need the new version
20100702 18:01:22< elvish_sovereign> ok
20100702 18:02:07< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: hosted
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20100702 18:28:34< Gambit> Darn... I knew it was a stretch to hope guassian blur would maintain TC.
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20100702 18:29:43< elvish_sovereign> back
20100702 18:31:46< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: I'm working on making the chasm overlay less IN YOUR FACE MUTHAF
20100702 18:32:03< Gambit> But an artist /me is not.
20100702 18:33:00< elvish_sovereign> hahaha
20100702 18:33:08< elvish_sovereign> want a rematch?
20100702 18:33:21< elvish_sovereign> i have an hour
20100702 18:34:55< Gambit> Well we don't have 4 people.
20100702 18:35:01< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100702 18:36:05< Gambit> Still want to play or no?
20100702 18:36:30< Gambit> I'd recruit people in the lobby but most of them are just like
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20100702 18:36:34< Gambit> "forums? what are those?"
20100702 18:36:47< elvish_sovereign> wait a sec
20100702 18:36:58< elvish_sovereign> im making a new map for the mod
20100702 18:37:02< elvish_sovereign> got an idea
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20100702 18:41:17< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: also: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=42591&mode=view :D
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20100702 18:42:27< elvish_sovereign> argh
20100702 18:42:33< elvish_sovereign> messed up
20100702 18:42:34< elvish_sovereign> w/e
20100702 18:43:08< elvish_sovereign> do you have a save of that?
20100702 18:43:15< elvish_sovereign> or do you want to restart?
20100702 18:43:50< elvish_sovereign> we going?
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20100702 18:44:16< Gambit> it doesn't save well
20100702 18:44:18< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: ^
20100702 18:44:20< Gambit> at all...
20100702 18:44:26< elvish_sovereign> ?
20100702 18:44:28< Gambit> Or rather it doesn't load correctly.
20100702 18:44:35< elvish_sovereign> ah
20100702 18:44:39< elvish_sovereign> so restart?
20100702 18:44:53< Gambit> I get a bunch of errors when I try to load it and it forgets who owns what hexes for some reason
20100702 18:45:00< Gambit> or at least when I load via the "back to turn x" feature.
20100702 18:45:01< elvish_sovereign> :(
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20100702 18:45:08< Unnheulu> :)
20100702 18:45:13< elvish_sovereign> oh well
20100702 18:45:17< elvish_sovereign> hi Unnheulu
20100702 18:45:24< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: yeah it doesn't load the right way either
20100702 18:45:24< elvish_sovereign> we're playing Breaking Ground
20100702 18:45:30< Gambit> Unnheulu: want to play Breaking Ground with us?
20100702 18:45:36< elvish_sovereign> N3T though
20100702 18:46:00< Gambit> hmmm
20100702 18:46:09< ancestral> Gambit: it's Groundbreaking!
20100702 18:46:14< Gambit> I don't think ancestral likes it.
20100702 18:46:18< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100702 18:46:22< ancestral> Well
20100702 18:46:32< Unnheulu> Watching tennis
20100702 18:46:38< Gambit> Blar<tab>, EP, and sev1s are busy.
20100702 18:46:38< Unnheulu> Murray is 2 sets down, but I'm still hopeful
20100702 18:46:42< ancestral> Yeah, I think from a playability standpoint… I think you have a few things to iron out?
20100702 18:46:55< Gambit> XD
20100702 18:47:00< elvish_sovereign> Gambit: so duel?
20100702 18:47:05< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: okay
20100702 18:47:07< ancestral> But it is unlike anything else!
20100702 18:47:12< Gambit> Want to both have two teams?
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20100702 18:47:15< ancestral> :)
20100702 18:47:21< Gambit> I need a 4p screenshot
20100702 18:47:22< elvish_sovereign> sure
20100702 18:47:40< Gambit> Because 4p looks pretty on "Color War" :P
20100702 18:47:59< elvish_sovereign> oooh color
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20100702 18:55:24< Unnheulu> No
20100702 18:55:25< Unnheulu> Colour
20100702 18:55:34< elvish_sovereign> w/e
20100702 18:55:51< elvish_sovereign> green is my faVORite color
20100702 18:56:07< Unnheulu> Favourite, colour
20100702 18:56:09< Unnheulu> And grey
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20100702 19:07:56< Valkier> Gambit: I should make a plate bikini version just as a joke.
20100702 19:08:10< Gambit> Valkier: You should do like the dwarf.
20100702 19:08:20< Gambit> Valkier: start with general shape + jokes
20100702 19:08:26< Gambit> but slowly make it the right way
20100702 19:08:44< Valkier> lol
20100702 19:08:45< Valkier> It'
20100702 19:08:53< Valkier> It would probably be a little different with a female.
20100702 19:09:00< ancestral> Valkier: A plate bikini for a female dwarf
20100702 19:09:04< Valkier> Can't just draw boobs without repercussions.
20100702 19:09:11< Valkier> ancestral: Done!
20100702 19:09:23< Valkier> But.. That is a female dwarf...
20100702 19:10:13< ancestral> Wait for people to go ballistic… then show them the real portrait
20100702 19:10:13< ancestral> or
20100702 19:10:15< ancestral> Heh
20100702 19:10:22< Valkier> lol
20100702 19:10:24< ancestral> Make a revealing portrait
20100702 19:10:27< ancestral> But censor it
20100702 19:10:30< Valkier> I'll make her naked sucking on a pike.
20100702 19:10:35< ancestral> Heh
20100702 19:10:44< Valkier> The hilt of a sword.
20100702 19:10:55< ancestral> Valkier's trying to get kicked out of the scholarship program :-P
20100702 19:11:09< Valkier> I think that's how this would end, yes.
20100702 19:11:24< Valkier> Drawing women is so much more frustrating than drawing men as far as progress shots.
20100702 19:11:24< Gambit> Valkier: a female dwarf must have a beard!
20100702 19:11:31< Valkier> I always draw the naked form and then put clothes on it.
20100702 19:11:58< Valkier> That gets less culturally approved for women. :-P
20100702 19:13:39< Gambit> Not if you're kitty!
20100702 19:15:40< pyshee> cat
20100702 19:15:51< Valkier> lol
20100702 19:15:57< Valkier> Kitty can get away with showing tits.
20100702 19:15:59< Valkier> I cannot.
20100702 19:16:23< Valkier> My tits are only for me.. or something.
20100702 19:16:31< Valkier> I just draw the things. Gimme a break. :-(
20100702 19:16:55< Gambit> Valkier: take the barbie doll approach
20100702 19:17:30< Unnheulu> Meow
20100702 19:17:33< Valkier> Oh?
20100702 19:17:43< Unnheulu> pyshee, fydo is a cat (or a dog)
20100702 19:17:46< Unnheulu> Can't remember
20100702 19:17:56< Unnheulu> He's in #pyweek
20100702 19:17:58< pyshee> dog, i believe
20100702 19:18:08< pyshee> ill never go there!
20100702 19:18:13< pyshee> grr...
20100702 19:18:14< Unnheulu> Why ever not?
20100702 19:18:19< Unnheulu> You came here ;)
20100702 19:18:31< pyshee> dogs are...grr...
20100702 19:18:46< pyshee> (and i dont use python :D)
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20100702 19:38:47< Unnheulu> pyshee, did you type /me?
20100702 19:39:00< Unnheulu> Don't
20100702 19:39:01 * pyshee is pyshee
20100702 19:39:04< Unnheulu> That segfaults me
20100702 19:39:09< pyshee> oh
20100702 19:39:10< pyshee> in net?
20100702 19:39:11< pyshee> k
20100702 19:39:17< Unnheulu> I rewrote the code and broke it :P
20100702 19:39:22< pyshee> :D
20100702 19:39:26< pyshee> i didnt use /me though..
20100702 19:39:31< pyshee> xD
20100702 19:39:49< Unnheulu> Hmm
20100702 19:39:51< Unnheulu> Weird
20100702 19:40:11< pyshee> ill type something again
20100702 19:40:16< pyshee> see if you still crash
20100702 19:40:25< Unnheulu> I crashed
20100702 19:40:26< Unnheulu> Bah
20100702 19:40:29< Unnheulu> Ah wellz
20100702 19:40:43< Unnheulu> If only I knew how to trace segfaults
20100702 19:40:51< pyshee> you can't be on the network and talk xd
20100702 19:40:54< Unnheulu> xP
20100702 19:41:01< Unnheulu> *I* can talk
20100702 19:41:04< Unnheulu> You guys can't
20100702 19:45:17< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: good game!
20100702 19:45:50< elvish_sovereign> yup
20100702 19:45:54< elvish_sovereign> okay gotta go
20100702 19:46:04< elvish_sovereign> ah
20100702 19:46:09< elvish_sovereign> mobile
20100702 19:46:20< Gambit> I wish I knew that broke it in the end...
20100702 19:46:28< Gambit> But the stupid saves are broken
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20100702 19:54:44< Valkier> Oh god! She has no arms!
20100702 19:54:47< Valkier> Why!
20100702 19:57:54< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: Found and fixed (afaik)
20100702 19:58:29< e_s-iOS> Cool
20100702 19:58:33< Gambit> Have to be careful to mark the ends of variable names when the values of two or more variables make up the name of another one.
20100702 19:58:45< Gambit> such as $x1|_$y1|.controller
20100702 19:59:37< Unnheulu> pyshee, he's a cat
20100702 19:59:52< pyshee> fydo is?
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20100702 20:02:11< e_s-iOS> Colloquy crashed
20100702 20:02:13< e_s-iOS> :(
20100702 20:02:18< Unnheulu> A cat
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20100702 20:02:33< pyshee> a cat is a cat, yes.
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20100702 20:03:25< Unnheulu> I'm doing something that I'm not fully understanding so shut up! :P
20100702 20:03:32< Unnheulu> Anyways move to #xmoto
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20100702 20:06:15< Unnheulu> e_s-iOS, huh?
20100702 20:06:33< e_s-iOS> Huh?
20100702 20:06:41< Unnheulu> Join then leave :P
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20100702 20:06:56< e_s-iOS> Oh you wanted me to stay?
20100702 20:06:58< e_s-iOS> Okay
20100702 20:06:59< PedroLlorensG> Hi guys
20100702 20:07:09< Gambit> PedroLlorensG: Peditro?
20100702 20:07:17< PedroLlorensG> I'm soooo bored at school
20100702 20:07:20< PedroLlorensG> oh, yeah
20100702 20:07:25-!- PedroLlorensG is now known as PeterPorty
20100702 20:07:31< PeterPorty> :D
20100702 20:07:32< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100702 20:07:37< e_s-iOS> Petey
20100702 20:07:45< PeterPorty> ...so... how you doin?
20100702 20:07:53< PeterPorty> who won last night?
20100702 20:08:04< Unnheulu> Don't ask who won in wimbledon
20100702 20:08:08< e_s-iOS> The shadowmasters
20100702 20:08:09< Unnheulu> Caue otherwise I swear...
20100702 20:08:11< PeterPorty> Un!
20100702 20:08:30< Valkier> All right guys. Here is a naked Princess Eryssa. http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/364/eryssalarge.png
20100702 20:08:31< PeterPorty> long time no see, man
20100702 20:08:32< e_s-iOS> PeterPorty: You should have seen the duel I had with Gambit
20100702 20:08:43< PeterPorty> was it good?
20100702 20:08:51< e_s-iOS> Awesome
20100702 20:08:58< PeterPorty> Valkier, is it safe for school?
20100702 20:08:58< e_s-iOS> Gambit's first loss
20100702 20:09:06< PeterPorty> Cool, e_s
20100702 20:09:08< Valkier> I put censored bars up.
20100702 20:09:11< PeterPorty> oh....
20100702 20:09:12< Valkier> It's just an outline anyhow.
20100702 20:09:16< Gambit> Valkier: lol at ear
20100702 20:09:20< PeterPorty> nvm, I'll see it at home.
20100702 20:09:25< e_s-iOS> Well, it also shows the advantage of first-mover
20100702 20:09:34< PeterPorty> yeah
20100702 20:09:43< PeterPorty> it has A LOT of advantage..
20100702 20:09:49< PeterPorty> needs balance...
20100702 20:09:57< PeterPorty> but it is a fun game
20100702 20:10:01< Gambit> PeterPorty: It was supposed to be 2v2
20100702 20:10:07< PeterPorty> really?
20100702 20:10:11< Gambit> but I lost 3 pretty early
20100702 20:10:15< Gambit> so it became 2v1
20100702 20:10:18< PeterPorty> u never told me!
20100702 20:10:23< PeterPorty> oh, your match..
20100702 20:10:25< Gambit> You can't judge player one advantage from that match.
20100702 20:10:32< PeterPorty> I thought the game...
20100702 20:10:37< Gambit> Just my stupidity ;)
20100702 20:10:41< PeterPorty> haha
20100702 20:10:57< e_s-iOS> :)
20100702 20:11:06< PeterPorty> hope nobody catches me chatting...
20100702 20:11:15< PeterPorty> M_C got my present
20100702 20:11:29< PeterPorty> He said he liked it... and helped me improve it...
20100702 20:11:33< Gambit> oh?
20100702 20:11:41< PeterPorty> :D
20100702 20:11:57< PeterPorty> (no, it was not a naked pic of myself.)
20100702 20:12:10< PeterPorty> =D
20100702 20:12:34< e_s-iOS> I think M_C would have enjoyed that more :p
20100702 20:12:40< e_s-iOS> Knowing him lol
20100702 20:12:41< PeterPorty> if I suddenly quit, without saying goodbye, it's because a teacher came...
20100702 20:12:46< e_s-iOS> Okay
20100702 20:13:00< PeterPorty> e_s-iOS, my gift was good....
20100702 20:13:04 * Gambit is so excited
20100702 20:13:07< Gambit> FF14 beta today
20100702 20:13:11< PeterPorty> why?
20100702 20:13:13< PeterPorty> oh...
20100702 20:13:14< Gambit> and they fixed their downloader supposedly since the alpha
20100702 20:13:17< Valkier> Lame.
20100702 20:13:20< Gambit> stupid alpha >_>
20100702 20:13:21< Valkier> Go play WoW
20100702 20:13:33< PeterPorty> and... r ur parents gonna let you this time?
20100702 20:13:42< PeterPorty> WoW is for girls, Valkier 
20100702 20:13:45< Gambit> PeterPorty: I had parental consent to play before (not that it's needed!)
20100702 20:13:50< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100702 20:13:52< Valkier> Final Fantasy is all the joy of playing an online game without the hassle of playing it with other people.
20100702 20:13:53< PeterPorty> oh, ok.
20100702 20:14:02< Gambit> PeterPorty: the downloader was just fked up massively
20100702 20:14:15< PeterPorty> well, enjoy
20100702 20:14:21< PeterPorty> and tell us how it was...
20100702 20:14:23< PeterPorty> :D
20100702 20:14:28< Gambit> I should be playing it already but they postponed due to technical difficulties :\
20100702 20:15:11 * PeterPorty is kinda bored.
20100702 20:15:25< Gambit> PeterPorty: get on wesnoth!
20100702 20:15:26< PeterPorty> nothing to do...
20100702 20:15:34< PeterPorty> I don't have it on my schol.
20100702 20:15:39< PeterPorty> school*
20100702 20:15:40< Gambit> so download and install it
20100702 20:15:47< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100702 20:15:48< Gambit> (just kidding)
20100702 20:15:50< PeterPorty> I don't have admin privileges.
20100702 20:15:58 * Gambit does not support misbehaviour in the computer lab.
20100702 20:16:10< e_s-iOS> Wheee
20100702 20:16:16< Gambit> It's like blaspheming in a church or something.
20100702 20:16:22< Gambit> Anywhere else in school? Sure.
20100702 20:16:23< PeterPorty> I mean... I do, but I don't wanna use them...
20100702 20:16:25< Gambit> Computer lab? No.
20100702 20:16:39< PeterPorty> I'm on the class computer...
20100702 20:16:40< Gambit> My biggest regret from public school was not starting a food fight on my last day.
20100702 20:16:48< PeterPorty> and now I'm surrounded by people
20100702 20:16:53< PeterPorty> peoppel
20100702 20:16:55< Gambit> I was never going to be in that school district again. I should have done it. :(
20100702 20:17:05< PeterPorty> they r peoppel
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20100702 20:17:39< Gambit> PeterPorty: You must start a food fight!
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20100702 20:17:47< PeterPorty> fag
20100702 20:17:52< Gambit> Or a computer components fight :o
20100702 20:17:54< Gambit> Yeah!
20100702 20:17:55< PeterPorty> shit
20100702 20:17:59< PeterPorty> not me!
20100702 20:18:01< PeterPorty> sorry
20100702 20:18:03< Unnheulu> PeterPorty, trouble?
20100702 20:18:04< PeterPorty> my friends
20100702 20:18:07< PeterPorty> ...
20100702 20:18:11< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100702 20:18:14< PeterPorty> ...
20100702 20:18:15< PeterPorty> ...v
20100702 20:18:23< PeterPorty> k, I'll leave... c ya
20100702 20:18:23< e_s-iOS> I never got into fights at school
20100702 20:18:27< PeterPorty> bvghgv+
20100702 20:18:31< PeterPorty> they r gay
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20100702 20:28:31< e_s-iOS> Back
20100702 20:32:24< e_s-iOS> So, any of you here playing Frogatto?
20100702 20:33:05< e_s-iOS> Or played
20100702 20:37:37< ancestral> I played a bit of it
20100702 20:37:52< ancestral> I don't think I'm as much of a fan of side scrollers as others are
20100702 20:38:00< ancestral> And… I don't know
20100702 20:38:10< ancestral> A lot people have emulators but
20100702 20:38:19< ancestral> It feels kinda weird playing a console game on a PC
20100702 20:38:24< ancestral> Know what I mean?
20100702 20:38:43< ancestral> I'd rather play it on an iPod touch or GameBoy or something
20100702 20:38:44< e_s-iOS> Yeah
20100702 20:38:50< ancestral> DS
20100702 20:38:52< e_s-iOS> It's gonna be on iPod touch
20100702 20:38:52< ancestral> whatever
20100702 20:38:55< ancestral> Is it?
20100702 20:38:59< e_s-iOS> Yup
20100702 20:39:04< e_s-iOS> Ask crimson_penguin aboutnit
20100702 20:39:14< ancestral> I'm sure they'll charge for it
20100702 20:39:17< ancestral> Since it's easy money
20100702 20:39:52< e_s-iOS> Yeah they will
20100702 20:40:01< ancestral> Yeah :-\
20100702 20:40:15< ancestral> The part I disagree with
20100702 20:40:18< ancestral> (and this is just me)
20100702 20:40:49< crimson_penguin> $2 or $3 for 2 years of work by ~5 people? :P
20100702 20:41:14< ancestral> Well why not sell it for PC, Mac, and Linux too?
20100702 20:41:24< ancestral> Sell it on Steam
20100702 20:41:28< ancestral> etc.
20100702 20:41:44< ancestral> Why only on iOS?
20100702 20:41:47< ancestral> Because it's easy money
20100702 20:41:51< crimson_penguin> Because the PC game market sucks, and having it free means lots of exposure
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20100702 20:42:00< crimson_penguin> It's the best of both worlds
20100702 20:42:07< ancestral> I dunno
20100702 20:42:15< crimson_penguin> ancestral: of course, if you want to test now, you're free too; we're very close to release
20100702 20:42:24< ancestral> I did, see above
20100702 20:42:38< crimson_penguin> On your iPod, I mean
20100702 20:42:40< crimson_penguin> If you have one
20100702 20:42:40< ancestral> Don't get me wrong, I think it's great work
20100702 20:42:49< ancestral> crimson_penguin: I can't :(
20100702 20:42:57< crimson_penguin> How come?
20100702 20:43:09< ancestral> Well you have a code you have to release to someone, right?
20100702 20:43:23< ancestral> To run it before it gets published
20100702 20:43:30< Valkier> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=42597
20100702 20:43:40< crimson_penguin> You have to give me your UDID, then I make a provisioning profile that includes it, then you download my build and put it on with the provisioning profile
20100702 20:43:44< ancestral> Yeah
20100702 20:43:44< Gambit> Valkier: her ear!
20100702 20:43:45< ancestral> I can't do that
20100702 20:43:49< crimson_penguin> Why not?
20100702 20:43:55< Valkier> Oh god!
20100702 20:43:58< Valkier> I've shown too much!
20100702 20:43:59< Gambit> Valkier: You can't put that in wesnoth. Little kids play that!
20100702 20:44:03< Valkier> lol
20100702 20:44:09< ancestral> Well I probably would never be found out but
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20100702 20:44:14< ancestral> I kinda work for Apple
20100702 20:44:28< crimson_penguin> Seriously? Nice
20100702 20:44:33< ancestral> Yeah, heh
20100702 20:44:41< crimson_penguin> Good reason
20100702 20:44:44< ancestral> :)
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20100702 20:44:58< ancestral> But actually, I hope it does well
20100702 20:45:07< e_s-iOS> Valkier: I was wanting chain mail bikini!
20100702 20:45:09< crimson_penguin> So... you disagree with our decision because we're not being consistent?
20100702 20:45:22< e_s-iOS> You disappoint
20100702 20:45:26< ancestral> Well I disagree about charging for something because it's easy money
20100702 20:45:27< e_s-iOS> Kidding, of course
20100702 20:45:32< ancestral> (at least, that's the way I see it)
20100702 20:45:34< Gambit> Valkier: I'm not though.
20100702 20:46:01< crimson_penguin> ancestral: Well... We feel it's worth something, and the app store just seems like the only market worth trying to make money in
20100702 20:46:13< ancestral> crimson_penguin: probably true
20100702 20:46:28< Gambit> It handles drm for them
20100702 20:46:34< crimson_penguin> exactly
20100702 20:46:34< Gambit> they just focus on making a great game :D
20100702 20:46:53< Gambit> And us PC freeloaders spread teh word to all our friends
20100702 20:47:02< crimson_penguin> And because of that, we can sell it really cheap, and the combination means it's not worth it to pirate
20100702 20:47:09< crimson_penguin> Exactly!
20100702 20:47:15< e_s-iOS> Yay
20100702 20:47:17< Gambit> (and maybe it comes to ps3 and we stop being free loaders)
20100702 20:47:28< ancestral> crimson_penguin: what's the license on the game?
20100702 20:47:51< crimson_penguin> ancestral: all content = private, source = GPL
20100702 20:47:55< ancestral> GPL software and the App Store are in conflict
20100702 20:48:17< Gambit> And because statistics show that there are 2.5 iphone per every living person on the planet
20100702 20:48:27< Gambit> Odds are we PC freeloaders have many friends with iphones
20100702 20:48:30< crimson_penguin> eh? we release the source as GPL for computer, we also make an app out of it and sell that on the app store; where's the conflict?
20100702 20:48:40< Gambit> (that statistic was totally bogus)
20100702 20:49:08 * crimson_penguin is pretty sure he's right, particularly because Wesnoth is on the app store
20100702 20:49:21< ancestral> http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance
20100702 20:49:23< Unnheulu> But that GNU app isn't
20100702 20:49:32< ancestral> Yeah the App Store technically violates that too
20100702 20:49:41< ancestral> No one has told Apple to enforce it or remove it though
20100702 20:50:01< e_s-iOS> Gotta disconnect for a sec
20100702 20:50:03< Gambit> But that only matters if the developers care doesn't it?
20100702 20:50:11< ancestral> The follow up report there talks about "further restrictions" in the usage rules
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20100702 20:50:13< Gambit> The users have no rights. the store has no rights.
20100702 20:50:24< Gambit> (err right to complain that is)
20100702 20:50:29< crimson_penguin> ancestral: but... we can release our own stuff in whatever different licenses we want, right?
20100702 20:50:35< ancestral> Yes
20100702 20:50:39< ancestral> Well
20100702 20:50:44< ancestral> Dual license it, maybe?
20100702 20:50:51< crimson_penguin> Exactly
20100702 20:51:02< ancestral> I don't know how you guys do that
20100702 20:51:19< ancestral> I don't know how ownership works with software that's already been released as GPL
20100702 20:51:22< ancestral> For example
20100702 20:51:27< crimson_penguin> We just say "this is how it is for this iPhone app, and this is how it is for this source code here, and this is how it is for this content here"
20100702 20:51:47< crimson_penguin> ancestral: Well it wouldn't be OK for someone ELSE to take the source and use it for an app store app, perhaps
20100702 20:51:53< crimson_penguin> But it's ok for us, because it's ours
20100702 20:52:03< ancestral> But can you take a project that's already released as GPL and license it otherwise
20100702 20:52:12< crimson_penguin> Sure
20100702 20:52:21< crimson_penguin> If we hold the copyright
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20100702 20:52:42< ancestral> So you do then?
20100702 20:52:54 * ancestral isn't being difficult, just curious
20100702 20:52:55< crimson_penguin> Of course
20100702 20:53:48< crimson_penguin> Although, you may be right technically actually, since we do probably include some GPL code; but I think it's in compliance BECAUSE we're releasing the source openly
20100702 20:54:19< ancestral> Then that might work in the end
20100702 20:54:34< ancestral> Since you collectively hold the copyright
20100702 20:55:02< crimson_penguin> Yeah, and we're just gonna say I have the copyright, because it has to be a person or company, and we don't have a company yet, and it's my developer account
20100702 20:55:09< crimson_penguin> Luckily, everyone seems to trust me :)
20100702 20:55:25< ancestral> Hehe, you could turn it around, give it a new name, and release it © you
20100702 20:56:05< Gambit> crimson_penguin: That's dangerous.
20100702 20:56:17< ancestral> Yeah… fortunately no one is challenging Wesnoth on the App Store, because, I think it could theoretically get taken down like GNU Go
20100702 20:56:17< Gambit> What if someone comes after you in order to get the rights to Frogatto?
20100702 20:56:23< Valkier> Eh, actually I hate the dress on that one. Oh well.
20100702 20:56:25 * Valkier restarts
20100702 20:56:30< crimson_penguin> I could, but... I'm not evil, is the thing ;)
20100702 20:57:40< crimson_penguin> And even from an evil person's perspective I don't think it'd be worth it to betray people
20100702 20:59:28< ancestral> crimson_penguin: Do you have pricing set?
20100702 20:59:43< ancestral> Have a $1 sale for the first weekend or something? :-P
20100702 20:59:57< ancestral> Gotta reward the early adopters, right?
20100702 21:01:07< crimson_penguin> We haven't decided yet, I was thinking that might be a good idea too, but normally at least our pricing is gonna be $2-5 I think
20100702 21:02:39< Unnheulu> Ooh
20100702 21:02:41 * ancestral nods
20100702 21:02:42< Unnheulu> Cheap stuff then
20100702 21:02:49< Unnheulu> $2 is £1.59 right?
20100702 21:02:57< Unnheulu> And $5 is £2.99 methinks
20100702 21:03:03< crimson_penguin> sounds about right
20100702 21:03:03< Unnheulu> (At least in appstore)
20100702 21:03:04< ancestral> Unnheulu: Kinda the only way to be competitive on the App Store
20100702 21:03:13< ancestral> though fortunately there's an incredible number of users
20100702 21:03:20< ancestral> potential buyers
20100702 21:03:44< crimson_penguin> Unnheulu: if you wanna get it "for free", you can give me your UDID and you can test it for us before we release
20100702 21:03:49< ancestral> crimson_penguin: Good luck! I hope everything goes smoothly
20100702 21:03:53< crimson_penguin> (we're hoping to submit it in the next few days)
20100702 21:03:56< crimson_penguin> ancestral: thanks!
20100702 21:04:03< ancestral> ^ elvish_sovereign 
20100702 21:04:09< Unnheulu> I second ancestral, good luck :)
20100702 21:04:32< ancestral> elvish_sovereign: oh haha of course you already have
20100702 21:04:43< crimson_penguin> yeah, he just gave me his UDID
20100702 21:04:53< ancestral> Blueblaze: ^
20100702 21:05:05< ancestral> Since he no longer has a PS3 anyway
20100702 21:05:15< crimson_penguin> strangely though, I just changed the provisioning profile to include him and another guy, and... it's staying in pending (normally it's pending for about 2 seconds)
20100702 21:05:40< Blueblaze> ancestral: huh?
20100702 21:05:49< ancestral> Frogatto for iPhone
20100702 21:05:51< crimson_penguin> Blueblaze: wanna test Frogatto on your iPhone/iPod?
20100702 21:05:57< Blueblaze> sure
20100702 21:05:59< Blueblaze> iPhone
20100702 21:06:07< crimson_penguin> k, just give me your UDID
20100702 21:06:16< ancestral> i.e. sell your iPhone's soul
20100702 21:06:18< Unnheulu> crimson_penguin, don't you have to be american for that though?
20100702 21:06:29< crimson_penguin> Unnheulu: I'm Canadian :P
20100702 21:06:33 * crimson_penguin isn't sure why he didn't think of asking around before
20100702 21:06:58< crimson_penguin> you just have to plug in your device, go to it in iTunes, click on the serial number, and copy
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20100702 21:13:23< Unnheulu> crimson_penguin, didn't you have to rewrite Frogratto in Objective C for the iPod?
20100702 21:13:32< crimson_penguin> nope
20100702 21:13:47< crimson_penguin> we had to include a little bit of Objective-C, but you can link C++ with Objective-C
20100702 21:13:53< Unnheulu> Kay
20100702 21:14:32< Unnheulu> So like in Android if someone creates a python lib anyone can write stuff for android in python with a little bit of java?
20100702 21:14:43< crimson_penguin> I suppose
20100702 21:14:49< crimson_penguin> I don't know much about Android though
20100702 21:14:50< ancestral> crimson_penguin: plans for Android?
20100702 21:14:51< Unnheulu> Heh
20100702 21:14:55< ancestral> Ah
20100702 21:15:08< crimson_penguin> ancestral: we might look into it; I hear conflicting reports of how hard it might be
20100702 21:15:16< crimson_penguin> and it certainly sounds way way less worth while ;)
20100702 21:15:24< ancestral> Wouldn't surprise me
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20100702 21:15:37< Unnheulu> Cool thing about Android (dunno if iPhone can do this) is that if someone makes a function for something, they can make it so any app can use that function
20100702 21:15:38< crimson_penguin> I'm gonna go eat some food, then have a nap
20100702 21:15:39< ancestral> Do you have a 4.0-tested version? Or one to take advantage of the hi-res display?
20100702 21:16:02< crimson_penguin> Of Frogatto? No
20100702 21:16:12< crimson_penguin> We don't really want to take advantage of the screen anyway - we're pixel art
20100702 21:16:22< ancestral> That's true ;-)
20100702 21:16:39< crimson_penguin> I'm staying with the old SDK until we release, just to not mess anything up
20100702 21:16:54 * Unnheulu guesses with iPhone you don't need to worry about not hardcoding resolutions
20100702 21:17:20< crimson_penguin> Unnheulu: yup, one very nice thing about it; though there are 3 resolutions now
20100702 21:17:44< Unnheulu> That really annoys me when coding my own stuff
20100702 21:17:53< Unnheulu> Having to rely on a preferences file means more work on my behalf
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20100702 21:18:38< crimson_penguin> Yeah, adds a lot of work
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20100702 21:22:20< ancestral> Really surprised Aquaria is not on iOS
20100702 21:22:33< ancestral> I figured they could make some good money, and it would play well, too
20100702 21:23:26< ancestral> It is open source now, I guess someone could do it
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20100702 21:28:39< [Relic]> Hello :)
20100702 21:28:54< crimson_penguin> hi [Relic] 
20100702 21:28:58< [Relic]> :)
20100702 21:29:12< Unnheulu> Heya
20100702 21:29:38< Unnheulu> crimson_penguin, your penguin on the forums right?
20100702 21:29:44< crimson_penguin> yeah
20100702 21:30:13< Unnheulu> Gonna make a new gui for the new wesnoth-tc?
20100702 21:31:01< crimson_penguin> Once it's sure it works on PPC I guess; I'm just rather busy lately
20100702 21:31:14< Unnheulu> :)
20100702 21:34:19< Unnheulu> Woah, Frogatto looks amazing
20100702 21:34:26 * Unnheulu goes to download it
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20100702 21:38:41< e_s-iOS> Back
20100702 21:40:27< Gambit> Unnheulu: You should see the editor.
20100702 21:40:29< Gambit> It's sexy.
20100702 21:40:42< Gambit> except for the right bar overlapping the screen oddly.
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20100702 21:41:25< e_s-iOS> Oh gosh again
20100702 21:41:28< e_s-iOS> One e
20100702 21:41:32< e_s-iOS> Sec
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20100702 21:42:53< e_s-iOS> Hey
20100702 21:43:09< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu: You got Frogatto?
20100702 21:43:12< e_s-iOS> Nice
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20100702 21:43:18< Unnheulu> Just checked-out svn
20100702 21:43:27< Unnheulu> Erm
20100702 21:43:33< Unnheulu> Into my xmoto development folder >.>
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20100702 21:43:51< e_s-iOS> Haha
20100702 21:43:58< Unnheulu> Moved :)
20100702 21:44:05< Unnheulu> Thankfully it was just a single command
20100702 21:44:11< e_s-iOS> Cool
20100702 21:44:18< e_s-iOS> What did I miss?
20100702 21:44:30< e_s-iOS> Too lazy to read irc log
20100702 21:44:38< Unnheulu> cd ../ && mkdir frogatto && mv xmoto/frogatto/ frogatto
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20100702 21:45:04< Unnheulu> crimson_penguin, frogatto is auto-tools, right?
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20100702 21:51:42< Valkier> ok. Completely overhauled the original. http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=42601
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20100702 21:52:09< ancestral> Nice
20100702 21:52:10< ancestral> Elf?
20100702 21:52:16< ancestral> or Vulcan
20100702 21:52:18< Valkier> Did the ear give it away? ;-)
20100702 21:52:18< ancestral> :-P
20100702 21:52:27< Valkier> Vulcans are turned more verticle!
20100702 21:52:29< Valkier> Douchebag!
20100702 21:52:34< ancestral> :-o
20100702 21:52:37< Valkier> lol
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20100702 21:56:07< Valkier> Where's Zerovirus when you need him? :-P
20100702 21:59:23< Valkier> Right. Break time now.
20100702 21:59:28< Valkier> Been working on that for two damn hours.
20100702 22:01:33< e_s-iOS> Valkier, nice stuff btw
20100702 22:01:51< Valkier> Thank ya
20100702 22:02:22< e_s-iOS> Was expecting plate mail bikinis though
20100702 22:02:30< e_s-iOS> Dissapointed
20100702 22:02:30< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100702 22:02:36< e_s-iOS> Kidding of course
20100702 22:03:27< Valkier> heh
20100702 22:03:31< Valkier> Wait till I do her sister.
20100702 22:03:36< ancestral> Heh
20100702 22:03:38< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100702 22:03:39< Valkier> She's chestier.
20100702 22:04:49< ancestral> Valkier: You should have your own site at some point
20100702 22:04:54< ancestral> Have a gallery to showcase your art
20100702 22:05:01< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100702 22:05:12< ancestral> Then make hedonistic pictures like http://www.steveargyle.com/?cmd=gallery_ext&art_id=328
20100702 22:07:58< Valkier> ancestral: Maybe when I have things worth showing.
20100702 22:08:41< ancestral> Of course
20100702 22:08:53< ancestral> Or ladies like those
20100702 22:09:08< Valkier> lol
20100702 22:09:16< ancestral> ;-)
20100702 22:09:29< Valkier> I *could* draw that, however I'd feel dirty after words.
20100702 22:09:56< e_s-iOS> Lol
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20100702 22:14:29< PeterPorty> hi, back
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20100702 22:16:04< e_s-iOS> Lol
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20100702 22:26:52< PeterPorty> Gambit, my frinds thought you were a web cam girl... you know, one of THOSE girls....
20100702 22:27:04< Valkier> The best kind.
20100702 22:27:15< Gambit> <shadowmaster> I don't care.
20100702 22:27:40< PeterPorty> lol
20100702 22:27:50< PeterPorty> and I had to leave, sorry BOUT THAT
20100702 22:27:59< PeterPorty> and bout caps
20100702 22:28:05< PeterPorty> damn, today's not my day
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20100702 22:35:25< pyshee> hii
20100702 22:35:31< elvish_sovereign> hi
20100702 22:35:31< elvish_sovereign> '
20100702 22:35:34< pyshee> hiii
20100702 22:35:51< pyshee> i'm pishi
20100702 22:35:57< elvish_sovereign> ?
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20100702 22:39:48< pyshee> ???????? 
20100702 22:40:22< pyshee> my sister found out about you talking on my computer
20100702 22:40:47< elvish_sovereign> ahh
20100702 22:40:53< elvish_sovereign> Hi pishi!
20100702 22:40:56< elvish_sovereign> er...
20100702 22:41:00< pyshee> hai..
20100702 22:41:34< elvish_sovereign> :)
20100702 22:42:00< Gambit> pyshee: You like wesnoth right? :D
20100702 22:43:20< pyshee> i play it
20100702 22:43:25< pyshee> enjoy xm more :D
20100702 22:43:40< elvish_sovereign> is this pyshee or pishi?
20100702 22:43:48< pyshee> same person
20100702 22:44:00< elvish_sovereign> wha?
20100702 22:44:05< elvish_sovereign> i'm confused now
20100702 22:44:08< pyshee> pyshee=peeshee=peeshi=pishi
20100702 22:44:25< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100702 22:44:46 * pyshee is leaving...
20100702 22:44:51 * pyshee says bye
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20100702 22:46:58< shadowmaster> Gambit: on it
20100702 22:47:12< shadowmaster> I need to convert it to JPEG first
20100702 22:57:11< crimson_penguin> Unnheulu|Laptop: no, it just has a makefile
20100702 22:57:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> crimson_penguin, care to explain how to compile that?
20100702 22:57:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> No install file :)
20100702 22:58:07< crimson_penguin> just type "make" if you have all the dependencies
20100702 22:58:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hmm
20100702 22:58:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> make failed
20100702 23:01:21< shadowmaster> Gambit: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/28/how-do-you-hold-your-nokia
20100702 23:01:28< shadowmaster> Gambit: er, wrong link
20100702 23:01:38< shadowmaster> Gambit: http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/shadowm2006/screenshots/sidecolors.jpg
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20100702 23:08:09< Gambit> shadowmaster: cool beans
20100702 23:08:57< Gambit> shadowmaster: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?16220
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20100702 23:13:29< PeterPorty> Gambit, how's your teeth?
20100702 23:13:32< PeterPorty> any better?
20100702 23:13:45< Gambit> No
20100702 23:13:53< PeterPorty> damn
20100702 23:14:47< Gambit> PeterPorty, shadowmaster, Blarumyrran: check this out: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=42594&mode=view
20100702 23:15:17< PeterPorty> O.o
20100702 23:15:37< PeterPorty> is there a way to make it a less... painful for my eyes?
20100702 23:15:44< Gambit> PeterPorty: yes
20100702 23:15:55< Gambit> The chasm overlay has been made much more transparent
20100702 23:15:59< PeterPorty> you should....
20100702 23:16:00< PeterPorty> oh, ok
20100702 23:16:21< PeterPorty> pshh... we are being observed....
20100702 23:17:22< Gambit> PeterPorty: yeah the chasm overlay is like 50% of what it is in that picture
20100702 23:17:33< Gambit> the regular ones are still that full though
20100702 23:17:35< PeterPorty> oh, ok, then it's cool
20100702 23:17:53< PeterPorty> yeah, that's fine.
20100702 23:18:03< shadowmaster> Gambit: I doubt it's OS-specific
20100702 23:18:11< PeterPorty> wanna play? shadowmaster ? elvish_sovereign ?
20100702 23:18:11< Gambit> shadowmaster: Okay.
20100702 23:18:21< elvish_sovereign> play what?
20100702 23:18:26< elvish_sovereign> breaking ground?
20100702 23:18:26< shadowmaster> especiallt since all of these are little-endian platforms and the storage format for data is the same
20100702 23:18:27< PeterPorty> BG
20100702 23:18:29< Gambit> shadowmaster: Well you can add your thoughts along with your screenshot. :D
20100702 23:18:30< PeterPorty> yeah
20100702 23:18:32< elvish_sovereign> ok
20100702 23:18:40< PeterPorty> Gambit? shadowmaster ?
20100702 23:18:46< Gambit> PeterPorty: sounds like a plan
20100702 23:18:51< PeterPorty> :)
20100702 23:18:55< Gambit> only if we get a fourth player
20100702 23:19:02< PeterPorty> ok, shadowmaster ?
20100702 23:19:02< Gambit> oh wait
20100702 23:19:02< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster....WHERE IS THE FREAKING GOLDEN ANT
20100702 23:19:04< shadowmaster> hm, I don't feel like playing right now
20100702 23:19:06< Gambit> I can't right now :(
20100702 23:19:08< PeterPorty> damn
20100702 23:19:11< PeterPorty> :(
20100702 23:19:13< Gambit> Maybe in an hour or so
20100702 23:19:18< elvish_sovereign> in Frogatto, that is
20100702 23:19:22< Gambit> ~45 minutes
20100702 23:19:22< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: go either to Burn and Bubble or Rock-a-Fort
20100702 23:19:25< PeterPorty> elvish_sovereign, 2vs2?
20100702 23:19:30< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100702 23:19:33< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: in the latter it's in a secret area, a bit hard to get it out of there
20100702 23:19:41< shadowmaster> so you may want to opt for BaB
20100702 23:19:55< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100702 23:20:06< PeterPorty> elvish_sovereign, password is e_s
20100702 23:20:10< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: I just back tracked to get mine
20100702 23:20:14< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100702 23:20:15< Gambit> You pass one on the way to the house
20100702 23:20:30< elvish_sovereign> ?
20100702 23:20:36< PeterPorty> Gambit, should it be player 1/3 vs 2/4?
20100702 23:20:44< PeterPorty> or 1/2 vs 3/$?
20100702 23:20:48< PeterPorty> 4*
20100702 23:20:51< Gambit> PeterPorty: 1 and 3 are on the west
20100702 23:20:55< Gambit> 2 and 4 on the east
20100702 23:20:58< PeterPorty> ok, thx
20100702 23:21:19< Gambit> 1NW 2SE 3SW 4NE
20100702 23:21:23< PeterPorty> ...
20100702 23:21:32< elvish_sovereign> wait shadowaster
20100702 23:21:42< elvish_sovereign> where's BaB again?
20100702 23:21:52< elvish_sovereign> before or after RaF?
20100702 23:22:11< PeterPorty> elvish_sovereign, you coming?
20100702 23:22:29< elvish_sovereign> yes
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20100702 23:22:36< elvish_sovereign> had some trouble with the lobby
20100702 23:23:26< PeterPorty> :)
20100702 23:23:30< shadowmaster> el	to the left of Secluded Hut
20100702 23:23:33< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: 
20100702 23:23:47< elvish_sovereign> oh ok
20100702 23:23:59< shadowmaster> namely before Stonepipe Meadow, which is to the left of Stonepipe Bridge, which is to the left of Secluded Hut
20100702 23:24:59< shadowmaster> Gambit: added screenshot and comment
20100702 23:25:14< elvish_sovereign> okay thanks :)
20100702 23:31:19< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster, is the golden ant in a secret area in BaB?
20100702 23:32:44< shadowmaster> no
20100702 23:32:57< shadowmaster> it shouldbe lying around in a rock platform
20100702 23:34:00< elvish_sovereign> it's killable-right?
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20100702 23:48:09< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: yes
20100702 23:48:15< elvish_sovereign> got it
20100702 23:48:31< elvish_sovereign> i thought it was a yellow ant at first
20100702 23:48:39< elvish_sovereign> make it more golden?
20100702 23:48:57< shadowmaster> it's fine as it is.
20100702 23:49:11< elvish_sovereign> ok
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20100702 23:53:11< PeterPorty> Gambit, you *must* add the transporter thingy to your add-on, it's almost impossible for a person to win right now....
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20100702 23:54:53< PeterPorty> or maybe a rnage upgrade for archers.
20100702 23:54:58< PeterPorty> range*
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20100702 23:57:18< PeterPorty> I won! e_s left!
20100702 23:57:22< PeterPorty> hahaha
20100702 23:57:26< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100702 23:57:36< PeterPorty> :D
20100702 23:57:48< elvish_sovereign> I was multitasking
20100702 23:57:54< PeterPorty> I know
20100702 23:57:55< elvish_sovereign> playing you and frogatto at the same time :)
20100702 23:58:06< PeterPorty> I'll bbl, I need to do something...
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20100702 23:59:15< elvish_sovereign> hmm...where's the key?
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