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20100705 00:00:05< Gambit> [insert speil about how oil should only be used for lubrication now]
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20100705 00:09:38< Hulavuta> Crap, did anyone remember to feed my bird for the past three days?
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20100705 00:12:33< Gambit> Hulavuta: I took care of it. No worries.
20100705 00:13:23< Hulavuta> You don't live with me
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20100705 00:40:10< PeterPorty> back
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20100705 00:51:15< PeterPorty> damn kuchen
20100705 00:54:37< shadowmaster> agreee, this kuchen sucks.
20100705 00:54:40< shadowmaster> *agreed
20100705 00:54:49< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: why aren't you around #wesnoth-umc-dev anymore?
20100705 00:55:03< PeterPorty> I am.
20100705 00:55:17< shadowmaster> you joined just *now*
20100705 00:55:56< PeterPorty> I know...
20100705 00:56:06< PeterPorty> I forgot how to auto join channels....
20100705 00:56:28< PeterPorty> and I forgot to join umc-dev channel... so yeahz.
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20100705 01:57:26< pyshee> there should be a /xxx command for boredum
20100705 01:57:30< pyshee> like:
20100705 01:57:58< pyshee>  /boredum: I am very bored.
20100705 01:58:22< shadowmaster> that's annoying
20100705 02:03:47< pyshee> it would be very much so.
20100705 02:04:07< Gambit> pyshee: It's called aliases.
20100705 02:04:34< pyshee> still doesn't help my boredum.
20100705 02:04:37< pyshee> :P
20100705 02:06:03< Gambit> If you spelled it properly you would no longer have "boredum".
20100705 02:06:12< Gambit> Though "boredom" is just as bad. So I dunno.
20100705 02:06:26< Gambit> Unless the act of spelling things correctly entertains you; I think you're screwed in this situation.
20100705 02:06:30< pyshee> i got 3 hours of sleep.
20100705 02:06:32< pyshee> don't judge me
20100705 02:06:34< pyshee> :D
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20100705 02:09:39< shadowmaster> pyshee: the thing is, you are being annoying. This is not an amusement park. We are not here to entertain you. If you get bored, go do something else instead of staring at your IRC client.
20100705 02:10:47< pyshee> although, by responding, you're entertaining me. 
20100705 02:10:53< pyshee> (i'll also be quiet now...)
20100705 02:11:56< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yous want I should take caresa him for you?
20100705 02:12:01< PeterPorty> pyshee, you could play wesnoth.
20100705 02:12:18< PeterPorty> Careza, the best chocolatee on earth...
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20100705 02:23:37< Hulavuta> Hi
20100705 02:24:03< Aile> hai
20100705 02:24:20< Hulavuta> Are you new?
20100705 02:24:34< Aile> Totally xP
20100705 02:24:36< Aile> joined today
20100705 02:24:40< Hulavuta> Cool
20100705 02:24:51< Hulavuta> From your username, I'm assuming you're a girl? (Don't shoot me please)
20100705 02:24:56< Aile> haha no i am not
20100705 02:25:02< Aile> and i won't shoot you,(not yet)
20100705 02:25:11< Hulavuta> So...why Aile?
20100705 02:25:20< PeterPorty> warning: not alll users are like Hulavuta, please don't get a bad impresion.
20100705 02:25:24< Aile> Just a nickname :P
20100705 02:25:28< Hulavuta> Ok
20100705 02:25:40< Hulavuta> That's PeterPorty, our local troll
20100705 02:25:43< Aile> It's just plain dumbness, and i am trying to create another one
20100705 02:25:49< Aile> (nickname)
20100705 02:25:59< Hulavuta> Is it Aile from Megaman?
20100705 02:26:04< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, shut up, it wasn't me who was told to stop posting in the forums.
20100705 02:26:04< Aile> I don't think so xP
20100705 02:26:18< Hulavuta> Ok
20100705 02:26:19< Hulavuta> Lol
20100705 02:26:34< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, I thought you were a girl for 3 weeks after I met you.
20100705 02:26:44< Aile> IT is just my name backwards haha
20100705 02:26:58< Aile> As i said, plain dumbness
20100705 02:27:02< Hulavuta> lol
20100705 02:27:04< Hulavuta> Not that bad
20100705 02:27:13< Hulavuta> Not as good as "Kire" though
20100705 02:27:20< Aile> haha
20100705 02:27:22< PeterPorty> yeah, my real name is ytroPreteP
20100705 02:27:25< PeterPorty> brb
20100705 02:27:32< Aile> My real name really is Elia
20100705 02:27:34< Aile> kinda strange name
20100705 02:27:35< Aile> whatever
20100705 02:27:55< PeterPorty> back.
20100705 02:28:06< PeterPorty> yeah, mine is Pedro.
20100705 02:28:12< Aile> Where are you from?
20100705 02:28:16< PeterPorty> Chile
20100705 02:28:18< PeterPorty> ;)
20100705 02:28:18< Aile> I mean, you all that are online atm
20100705 02:28:27< Hulavuta> I'm not going to disclose my name, but some people know it
20100705 02:28:29< Aile> nice
20100705 02:28:32< Aile> one more south african
20100705 02:28:41< Aile> hahah jk i am from brasil xP
20100705 02:28:41< PeterPorty> ...
20100705 02:28:45< PeterPorty> oh, ok...
20100705 02:28:49< PeterPorty> gee.
20100705 02:28:52< Aile> haha
20100705 02:28:56< PeterPorty> I was about to shoot you.
20100705 02:29:17< Aile> Hulavuta yeah i just said it because i am to anonymous for someone to care about it
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20100705 02:29:38< Hulavuta> Ok..
20100705 02:29:41< PeterPorty> Bluey!
20100705 02:29:59< PeterPorty> Blueblaze, are you ignoring me?
20100705 02:30:07< PeterPorty> damn...
20100705 02:30:09< Aile> do you have any ideas of good nicknames?
20100705 02:30:34< Gambit> Yeah but I took it.
20100705 02:30:42< Hulavuta> Lol
20100705 02:30:43< PeterPorty> you could call yourself MasterOfShadows
20100705 02:31:00< Hulavuta> Well, a common thing is naming yourself a character from something you like
20100705 02:31:13< Hulavuta> And/or adding a twist to it to make it interesting
20100705 02:31:15< Aile> lol
20100705 02:31:23< PeterPorty> MasterOfShadows
20100705 02:31:27< PeterPorty> seriously
20100705 02:31:30< Aile> MasterOfShadows or LordPrawWesnother
20100705 02:31:44< PeterPorty> ...no, seriously...
20100705 02:31:53< Aile> I used hefthyn
20100705 02:31:59< Gambit> Aile: He's attempting to get you into trouble.
20100705 02:32:06< Gambit> But shadowmaster has a brain.
20100705 02:32:10-!- Valkier is now known as Masterofshadows
20100705 02:32:10< PeterPorty> MASTEROFSHADOWS!
20100705 02:32:15< Aile> it comes from "eragon" books
20100705 02:32:16< Gambit> Masterofshadows: lol
20100705 02:32:17< PeterPorty> yay!
20100705 02:32:29< Aile> lol
20100705 02:32:31< PeterPorty> Valk, I love you.
20100705 02:32:35< Aile> so you are really a troll
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20100705 02:32:46< Aile> Nice to meet you, hmm bugs.
20100705 02:32:50< PeterPorty> nah... he's an important guy
20100705 02:33:02< Gambit> Aile: He really is. Grey skin. Regeneration. The whole deal.
20100705 02:33:10< PeterPorty> dude!
20100705 02:33:31< PeterPorty> Gambit, you are totally being a troll in my campaign.
20100705 02:33:43< Gambit> That's cool.
20100705 02:33:46< PeterPorty> no... Hula is already a troll...
20100705 02:33:55< Aile> I will create my own set of legendary stuff, and name myself as a legendary character from my own story
20100705 02:33:57< Gambit> I'm a troll shaman.
20100705 02:33:58< PeterPorty> you can be... A gobo.
20100705 02:34:04< Gambit> PeterPorty: really?
20100705 02:34:07-!- Masterofshadows is now known as Valkier
20100705 02:34:08< Gambit> sounds good
20100705 02:34:16< Aile> Authistic kind of epicness
20100705 02:34:17< PeterPorty> yeah...
20100705 02:34:30< PeterPorty> Gobit?
20100705 02:34:37< Gambit> PeterPorty: The gobbos were the start of like my second favorite ps1 game
20100705 02:34:38< Gambit> http://media.photobucket.com/image/gobbo%20croc/ForteWily/gallery/CrocMobile-Gobbo.jpg
20100705 02:34:43< Gambit> *star
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20100705 02:35:02< Hulavuta> How did I forget Salami???
20100705 02:35:13-!- pyshee [~pishi_YAY@76.91.104.117] has quit [Quit: pyshee]
20100705 02:35:22< PeterPorty> dude, that's a gobbo, u r a gobo.
20100705 02:35:34< Gambit> They're the same thing!
20100705 02:35:51< Gambit> PeterPorty: Wesnoth's gobos are merely more evolved form of gobbos.
20100705 02:36:08< PeterPorty> no.
20100705 02:36:16< Gambit> Yes.
20100705 02:36:18< PeterPorty> you will be an EPIC level 4 Gobo.
20100705 02:36:21< PeterPorty> ;)
20100705 02:36:32< PeterPorty> and you are killing Hula.
20100705 02:36:36< Gambit> Alright. A level 4 gobo should almost be able to take a spearman on his own!
20100705 02:36:50< PeterPorty> haha
20100705 02:37:00< PeterPorty> gobos r pretty strong
20100705 02:37:13< Hulavuta> Do Cowboys have Guitars?
20100705 02:37:24< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, wtf?
20100705 02:37:31< Gambit> Hulavuta: Yes.
20100705 02:37:31< shadowmaster> what's a Guitar?
20100705 02:37:38< Hulavuta> I'm playing family feud
20100705 02:37:40< Valkier> Where have all the cowboys gone?
20100705 02:37:47< Valkier> Long time passing...
20100705 02:37:58< shadowmaster> I mean, you capitalized it. I assume it's not the same thing as the noun "guitar". :|
20100705 02:38:00< Hulavuta> And one of the answers was Guitar for the question: "What is something you would get a kid who wants to be a Cowboy?"
20100705 02:38:04< Gambit> Hulavuta: How else would every cowboy sing a sad sad song?
20100705 02:38:15< Hulavuta> shadowmaster: Do you always have to be so literal all the time?
20100705 02:38:19< Gambit> That's like asking if roses have thorns.
20100705 02:38:24< Gambit> Or if night has dawn.
20100705 02:38:30< Hulavuta> I capitalize random Words Okay? 
20100705 02:38:38< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: no, but I like to point out common misuse of the language to young kids like you.
20100705 02:38:48< Hulavuta> meh
20100705 02:38:57< Aile> hmm, kids
20100705 02:39:07< PeterPorty> Aile, he's 8
20100705 02:39:21< Hulavuta> He's lying...
20100705 02:39:25< Gambit> Darn foreigners. Never catching onto American music references.
20100705 02:39:39< PeterPorty> he is american.
20100705 02:39:49< Hulavuta> Who me?
20100705 02:39:51< PeterPorty> Brazil is in America.
20100705 02:40:00< Aile> yep
20100705 02:40:08< PeterPorty> wait, weren't we talking about new kid?
20100705 02:40:08< Hulavuta> I'm not a foreigner, and I'm not 8
20100705 02:40:32< Hulavuta> What's something you would buy as a souvineir (sp?) at a rock concert?
20100705 02:40:43< Gambit> Hulavuta: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu2DA4I4TGw
20100705 02:40:50< Gambit> Get some culture.
20100705 02:40:52< Aile> The blood of a child used as a sacrifice.
20100705 02:40:57< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, all they sell at rock concerts is weed.
20100705 02:40:59< Aile> pretty nice souvenier.
20100705 02:41:06< Hulavuta> Gambit: I have culture...I got those other references
20100705 02:41:07< Gambit> Hulavuta: err nevermind
20100705 02:41:20< Hulavuta> And I knew it was a song, I just wasn't in the mood to say anything
20100705 02:41:56< Hulavuta> How did I forget poster?
20100705 02:42:00< Hulavuta> And CD?
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20100705 02:42:54< Gambit> Aile: Are you on the forums?
20100705 02:42:57< shadowmaster> I miss the old days when this was a civilized channel.
20100705 02:43:16< Gambit> shadowmaster: But it was silent.
20100705 02:43:27< Hulavuta> Name a sign that a person you're talking to might be asleep. (Besides snoring and closed eyes)
20100705 02:43:29< Aile> Gambit nop
20100705 02:43:37< Aile> i joined the game today, 1 or 2 hours ago
20100705 02:43:41< Gambit> And the topic designates this as a channel for wesnoth users. Not soley as a place to discuss wesnoth. :D
20100705 02:43:41< Hulavuta> He's new,
20100705 02:43:59< norbert_> hi, someone advised me to press shift-dd to influence shroud updates
20100705 02:44:06< Gambit> Hulavuta: If they're not breathing. :)
20100705 02:44:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: it was better than the crap that's polluted this place lately
20100705 02:44:16< norbert_> now strange things are happening, regardless of how many times I press shift-dd
20100705 02:44:25< Hulavuta> Don't people breathe when they are asleep?
20100705 02:44:32< Gambit> Hulavuta: Not in the final sleep!
20100705 02:44:39< shadowmaster> norbert_: what's a DD key?
20100705 02:44:43< norbert_> is shift-dd a single setting that can be undone with another key combination? - and if not, how can I see what shift-dd is set to?
20100705 02:44:43< Hulavuta> I'm talking about a regular sleep
20100705 02:44:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: I understand.
20100705 02:45:10< Gambit> (he's right guys)
20100705 02:45:12< norbert_> :%s/dd/d/g
20100705 02:45:19< shadowmaster> norbert_: search for the hotkeys in the game preferences
20100705 02:45:30< norbert_> the hotkey is shift-d
20100705 02:45:40< Gambit> shadowmaster: OTOH the forums are spotless!
20100705 02:45:45< Gambit> except for off topic
20100705 02:45:51< Hulavuta> Gambit: It's always like that
20100705 02:46:02< Gambit> Hulavuta: No. It really isn't.
20100705 02:46:19< shadowmaster> norbert_: Preferences -> General -> Hotkeys
20100705 02:46:19< Hulavuta> I mean Off-Topic
20100705 02:46:22< Hulavuta> Is always messed up
20100705 02:46:22< norbert_> it delays shroud updates - how can I set it back to normal
20100705 02:46:27< Gambit> Hulavuta: No it wasn't.
20100705 02:46:31< norbert_> shadowmaster: I know that, dude
20100705 02:46:33< Hulavuta> Gambit: Whatever
20100705 02:46:34< PeterPorty> Gambit, off topic is also perfect if you don't count what hulavuta writes...
20100705 02:46:35< Gambit> We used to have intelligent conversations there!
20100705 02:46:47< shadowmaster> norbert_: you were asking how to see what shift-d is set to
20100705 02:47:14< shadowmaster> Delay Shroud Updates is supposed to be a toggle option
20100705 02:47:31< norbert_> okay, it toggles
20100705 02:47:33< Hulavuta> Gambit: I guess we went sort of overboard with the games
20100705 02:47:37< norbert_> can I see if it's on?
20100705 02:47:38< Hulavuta> But there are a few intelligent topics
20100705 02:47:59< Hulavuta> Nobody posts in them though
20100705 02:48:24< shadowmaster> norbert_: yes; in a map that has shroud, you can see the option in the context menu
20100705 02:48:29< Gambit> Hulavuta: They won't whilst there's forum games to widdle away their time.
20100705 02:48:36< shadowmaster> or alternatively in the Actions menu
20100705 02:48:37< Gambit> Hulavuta: Forum games are addictive!
20100705 02:48:45< Gambit> That's why I always make them their own section.
20100705 02:48:46< Hulavuta> Gambit: Like my rants, aside from the one on Texting that I totally invalidated with my cussing and whatnot
20100705 02:49:31< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, forum games ain't bad, it's only the crap you do, for instance, the limmerick duel is cool...
20100705 02:49:56< PeterPorty> this all started because of that airsoft spam bot...
20100705 02:50:04< norbert_> shadowmaster: ok; where's the context menu?
20100705 02:50:04< PeterPorty> who added me as a friend...
20100705 02:50:12< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: it wasn't a spambot, okay?
20100705 02:50:31< Hulavuta> Is it better to teach kids to fight to survive in the messed up dangerous world, or is it better to teach kids to solve peace, to try to eliminate the dangerous world?
20100705 02:50:31< PeterPorty> I know, we chatted a couple of times, shadowmaster 
20100705 02:50:44< PeterPorty> Hula, both
20100705 02:50:57< Gambit> shadowmaster: It was a weapon cleverly designed by microsoft to trash our forums!
20100705 02:50:58< PeterPorty> if the latest doesn't work, they must use the former
20100705 02:51:05< shadowmaster> norbert_: right-click (or left-click in my case if you are left-handed) in any place of the map
20100705 02:51:05< Gambit> We're a threat to threat to them now.
20100705 02:51:16< norbert_> oh
20100705 02:51:19< Gambit> shadowmaster: You're left handed?
20100705 02:51:20< norbert_> that menu
20100705 02:51:20< shadowmaster> can you people keep the noise low? I'm trying to give someone help here.
20100705 02:51:22< Aile> Is wikipedia working normally?
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20100705 02:51:28< norbert_> shadowmaster: thanks
20100705 02:51:34< Gambit> Aile: No.
20100705 02:51:37< Hulavuta> I'm going to watch TV, bye
20100705 02:51:44< shadowmaster> norbert_: no problem
20100705 02:51:48< Aile> Gambit why?
20100705 02:51:58< Gambit> Aile: I don't know. I don't work for wikipedia.
20100705 02:52:02< Gambit> All I know is that it's 404
20100705 02:52:07< PeterPorty> Aile, Gambit is one of the creators of wikipedia.
20100705 02:52:18< PeterPorty> he's lieing
20100705 02:52:20< shadowmaster> Gambit: it's not even replying. It's timing out.
20100705 02:52:32< shadowmaster> HTTP 404 stands for a httpd response when a document cannot be found.
20100705 02:52:44< Gambit> shadowmaster: ah okay.
20100705 02:52:59< Gambit> Aile: But wesnoth's wiki is way better.
20100705 02:53:00< PeterPorty> Aile, anyway, you don't need wikipedia, I'm here!
20100705 02:53:03< Gambit> It has all the information you'll ever need.
20100705 02:53:15-!- mode/#wesnoth [+q *!*@pc-193-248-120-200.cm.vtr.net] by ChanServ
20100705 02:53:32< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yeah chrome doesn't give me those codes :(
20100705 02:53:57< shadowmaster> Gambit: these aren't codes.
20100705 02:54:11< shadowmaster> a time-out is a network subsystem-level error. Not a HTTP response.
20100705 02:54:36< shadowmaster> and it means that the remote system didn't reply within a certain time interval.
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20100705 03:09:37< Blueblaze> no you are lying PeterPorty 
20100705 03:13:32< norbert_> Blueblaze: he meant the Wiki pages on wesnoth.org
20100705 03:13:45< norbert_> probably, just guessing here
20100705 03:13:55< norbert_> didn't really follow anything in this channel :P
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20100705 03:14:55< shadowmaster> he didn't really mean anything in particular
20100705 03:15:04< shadowmaster> as usual
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20100705 03:16:11< norbert_> hum... youtube is kind of weirded out
20100705 03:16:30< norbert_> css or javascript is not loading or whatever
20100705 03:17:39< shadowmaster> o_O
20100705 03:17:50< shadowmaster> and en.wikipedia.org is down
20100705 03:18:03< shadowmaster> what will we do? the humanity! :(
20100705 03:18:13< norbert_> hum... yeah
20100705 03:18:19< shadowmaster> the humanity! I've run out of cookies!
20100705 03:19:03< norbert_> cookies may not be that healthy though, maybe eat an apple
20100705 03:21:36< VurtualRuler98> Was it terrorists, big bad government, or dreaded coffee?
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20100705 03:22:20< GNUtoo|laptop> wow!!!!
20100705 03:22:26< GNUtoo|laptop> wesnoth 1.8 seem a lot faster
20100705 03:22:35< norbert_> *meep meep*
20100705 03:23:11< norbert_> GNUtoo|laptop: by the way, in case I cursed at you a while back, sorry about that
20100705 03:23:31< norbert_> you probably barely remember it
20100705 03:23:36< GNUtoo|laptop> cursed me because I want to run wesnoth on a phone?
20100705 03:23:44< GNUtoo|laptop> at fosdem I had :
20100705 03:23:48< GNUtoo|laptop> *a debug kenrel
20100705 03:23:59< GNUtoo|laptop> *another game running in background(supertux)
20100705 03:24:02< norbert_> no, because you quit a game at turn 1, but that was because a unit was missing on your side (you didn't have the addon)
20100705 03:24:04< GNUtoo|laptop> so that didn't hepl speed
20100705 03:24:14< GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
20100705 03:24:18< norbert_> and I didn't understand that at first, so it pissed me off - but shouldn't have
20100705 03:24:32< GNUtoo|laptop> it should be long time ago then
20100705 03:24:46< GNUtoo|laptop> I didn't play a network party since ....so long time ago
20100705 03:24:59< norbert_> hum... okay, it was someone called "GNU"
20100705 03:25:05< norbert_> may not have been you then
20100705 03:25:17< GNUtoo|laptop> I'm GNUtoo not GNU
20100705 03:25:26< norbert_> so it seems :)
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20100705 03:44:08< Blueblaze> norbert_: no
20100705 03:44:10< Blueblaze> he's lying
20100705 03:44:11< Blueblaze> regardless
20100705 03:44:18< Blueblaze> PeterPorty: admit your sins!
20100705 03:44:36< PeterPorty> O.o
20100705 03:44:48< shadowmaster> Blueblaze: knock it off
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20100705 04:14:42< Hulavuta> Hi
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20100705 04:14:57< PeterPorty> hi
20100705 04:16:12< Zerovirus> Hi
20100705 04:20:03< Zerovirus> Espreon: Dropping you a message, I made the Twin Sword Fighter Dude Unit. Time to sleep for me, might not be on tomorrow.
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20100705 04:59:13< elvish_sovereign> hi
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20100705 05:05:02< Soul_keeper> hello
20100705 05:05:14< elvish_sovereign> Soul_keeper: Hi
20100705 05:06:06< Soul_keeper> I have a scenario that someone asked me to put on the server, can someone point me to the documentation/link for submitting this ?
20100705 05:07:08< Soul_keeper> I'd do an "addon" right ?
20100705 05:07:17< elvish_sovereign> yeah one sec
20100705 05:07:30< elvish_sovereign> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/BuildingCampaignsThePBLFile
20100705 05:07:58< Soul_keeper> thanks
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20100705 05:29:21< Soul_keeper> elvish_sovereign, I've got a  .cfg, .map, and .pbl   do I have to send these to an admin to submit as an addon now ?
20100705 05:29:33< elvish_sovereign> nope
20100705 05:29:49< elvish_sovereign> if done right, if you go to add-ons in the main menu and scroll to the bottom
20100705 05:30:06< elvish_sovereign> there should be a add [your_icon_name] to the add-on server
20100705 05:33:15< Soul_keeper> so I put them in a folder and put the folder somewhere ?  but where ?
20100705 05:33:31< elvish_sovereign> in your add-ons folder
20100705 05:35:18< ancestral> Soul_keeper: the .pbl goes outside the folder of your add-on you're making
20100705 05:35:43< ancestral> So it's data/add-ons/My_Cool_Addon/
20100705 05:35:47< elvish_sovereign> or inside, it depends whether you are using the new or old method
20100705 05:35:57< ancestral> oh? rly?
20100705 05:36:14< elvish_sovereign> either My_Cool_Addon.pbl outside
20100705 05:36:24< elvish_sovereign> or _server.pbl inside
20100705 05:36:29< ancestral> I guess I'm paranoid heh
20100705 05:36:44< ancestral> Since the .pbl wouldn't get sent outside the folder
20100705 05:36:51< ancestral> But I'm assuming it wouldn't inside too, then
20100705 05:37:00< ancestral> because of the ignore file
20100705 05:37:22< elvish_sovereign> :)
20100705 05:42:00< Soul_keeper> does  ~/.wesnoth1.8/data/add-ons  not work ?
20100705 05:42:15< elvish_sovereign> ?
20100705 05:42:19< elvish_sovereign> whaddaya mean?
20100705 05:43:05< Soul_keeper> I don't have to have it in the main folder do I ?
20100705 05:43:15< elvish_sovereign> wha?
20100705 05:43:17< elvish_sovereign> explain?
20100705 05:43:24< elvish_sovereign> explain.*
20100705 05:43:33< Soul_keeper> I need more documentation
20100705 05:43:46< Soul_keeper> I can't just read on a .pbl  and get it done :(
20100705 05:43:54< elvish_sovereign> did you make the files right?
20100705 05:44:03< elvish_sovereign> does the campaign work itself?
20100705 05:44:07< Soul_keeper> yes
20100705 05:44:18< Soul_keeper> i've been playing it for months, just never made an addon
20100705 05:44:18< elvish_sovereign> what's you PBL like?
20100705 05:44:35< elvish_sovereign> wesnoth.pastebin.org
20100705 05:45:55< Soul_keeper> http://linuxsociety.pastebin.com/VrYxQ57u
20100705 05:46:27< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100705 05:46:41< elvish_sovereign> place the campaign folder
20100705 05:46:55< elvish_sovereign> in /data/add-ons/
20100705 05:47:11< Soul_keeper> done
20100705 05:47:16< elvish_sovereign> place the _main.cfg and files in the campaign folder
20100705 05:47:28< elvish_sovereign> place the _server.pbl in the campaign folder
20100705 05:47:41< elvish_sovereign> then, open Wesnoth and click on add-ons
20100705 05:48:04< elvish_sovereign> after connection, scroll to the bottom of the add-on list
20100705 05:48:37< elvish_sovereign> there should be a green buttom saying something like '+ add My_Cool_Addon'
20100705 05:48:42< Soul_keeper> I don't have _main.cfg  or _server.pbl  files ...
20100705 05:48:54< elvish_sovereign> the PBL is the _server.pbl file
20100705 05:48:58< elvish_sovereign> PBL file
20100705 05:49:07< elvish_sovereign> you don;t have a _main.cfg?
20100705 05:49:31< elvish_sovereign> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/BuildingCampaignsTheCampaignFile
20100705 05:49:34< Soul_keeper> I have a  MY_SCENARIONAME.cfg  ... do I always need a _main.cfg ?
20100705 05:50:14< elvish_sovereign> the MY_SCENARIONAME.cfg is prob the _main.cfg
20100705 05:50:27< elvish_sovereign> rename it and place it in the folder
20100705 05:50:33< Soul_keeper> ok so that'll help me, I have 3 versions  maybe I can incorporate them   easy, med, hard
20100705 05:51:08< elvish_sovereign> if the add-on was working, as you said, the _main.cfg and the files have nothing to do with it
20100705 05:51:25< elvish_sovereign> if it dones;t appear on the add-ons list, then the PBL file is wrong
20100705 05:51:39< Soul_keeper> kinda hard to do a pbl file wrong
20100705 05:52:01< Soul_keeper> i'll get back to you on this, thanks
20100705 05:52:12< elvish_sovereign> ok
20100705 05:52:16< elvish_sovereign> have to go anyways
20100705 05:52:18< elvish_sovereign> see ya
20100705 05:52:23< Soul_keeper> :)
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20100705 05:56:21< Soul_keeper> I got it uploaded, hafta make it better later 
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20100705 06:09:19< Soul_keeper> can someone test something for me ?
20100705 06:11:02< shadowmaster> possibly
20100705 06:11:30< shadowmaster> depends on what it is. I don't want to go and download Wesnoth for Windows, for example :p
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20100705 06:22:07< Soul_keeper> shadowmaster, just wanted to see if someone could see my addon in the list, and possibly test it
20100705 06:22:26< shadowmaster> 1.8?
20100705 06:22:32< Soul_keeper> yeah
20100705 06:23:02< Soul_keeper> 4p_Lucky_Sevens  is the name of it
20100705 06:23:45< shadowmaster> it's in the list
20100705 06:24:18< Soul_keeper> ok
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20100705 06:24:48< shadowmaster> and it seems to work at turn 2
20100705 06:25:11< Soul_keeper> great
20100705 06:25:19< Soul_keeper> thanks
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20100705 08:54:38< Ivanovic> moin
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20100705 16:04:59< Hulavuta> Are the trolls in Wesnoth normally mountain trolls or cave trolls?
20100705 16:05:18< Gallaecio> Mountain
20100705 16:05:21< Gallaecio> I think
20100705 16:05:55< Rhonda> forum trolls
20100705 16:06:03< Gallaecio> lol
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20100705 16:07:41< e_s-iOS> Hulavuta: Actually, I think they are cave trolls
20100705 16:07:51< e_s-iOS> For the most part
20100705 16:08:52< Hulavuta> Ok
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20100705 16:10:52< e_s-iOS> Soul_keeper: Did you get the campaign working?
20100705 16:11:57< Gambit> Hulavuta: Just remember, stick your wand up their nose.
20100705 16:11:57< e_s-iOS> Yes, this IS elvish_sovereign
20100705 16:12:07< e_s-iOS> Gambit: Wha?
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20100705 16:12:21< Gambit> "cave trolls" :\
20100705 16:12:28< e_s-iOS> Ahh
20100705 16:12:57< Rhonda> Don't feed them.
20100705 16:13:19< e_s-iOS> Unless they're undead
20100705 16:13:36< e_s-iOS> Or rather, simply dead
20100705 16:14:15< Hulavuta> How long does it take to burn sand into glass?
20100705 16:14:32< Gambit> Hulavuta: The time would depend on the heat.
20100705 16:15:06< Hulavuta> How about a bonfire?
20100705 16:15:21< Gambit> Hulavuta: You have to *melt* the sand.
20100705 16:15:28< Gambit> Campfires don't get hot enough.
20100705 16:15:29< Hulavuta> Ok
20100705 16:15:32< Hulavuta> Ok
20100705 16:15:34< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 16:15:38< Hulavuta> Ok
20100705 16:15:39< Gambit> Glass is sand that has been melted and resolidified.
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20100705 16:15:48< Rhonda> Ok
20100705 16:15:51< Hulavuta> lol
20100705 16:15:55< e_s-iOS> Ok
20100705 16:15:57< Gambit> Like freezer burnt icecream.
20100705 16:16:23< Rhonda> Gambit: There is a bit more to it, but …
20100705 16:16:32< e_s-iOS> Gambit: How's BG coming along?
20100705 16:16:46< Gambit> e_s-iOS: Umm great! /me pretends to by typing
20100705 16:16:58< Gambit> I'll go work on it right now :(
20100705 16:16:58< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 16:17:29< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 16:17:58< e_s-iOS> I won't have time until the afternoon, but then we can play/test!
20100705 16:18:30< e_s-iOS> ie, something like 6hrs from now? Lol
20100705 16:19:24< e_s-iOS> Btw, what does i.e. stand for anyway?
20100705 16:19:31< Gambit> Rhonda: Well yeah if you want pretty glass.
20100705 16:20:04< e_s-iOS> Gotta disconnect for a sec
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20100705 16:21:37< Hulavuta> Quick, name a unit that is weak to arcane damage that is not Undead
20100705 16:22:32< Hulavuta> Wose, thank you
20100705 16:23:45< Elvish_Pillager> Giant/mudcrawlers, elves...
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20100705 16:24:54< e_s-iOS> Back
20100705 16:25:26< Gambit> e_s-iOS: I've decided that using a harvester's self destruct to break hexes won't give income.
20100705 16:25:44< Gambit> It can be used offensively or defensively, but it won't earn you any money.
20100705 16:26:09< e_s-iOS> So it can self-destruct any turn now?
20100705 16:26:14< Gambit> It will destroy that one hex the harvester is on, and take out any adjacent cave.
20100705 16:26:25< Gambit> e_s-iOS: Yes I'm talking about the manual self destruct
20100705 16:27:00< e_s-iOS> So the hex it's standing on that it destroys won't give income, what about the adjacent hexes?
20100705 16:27:06< e_s-iOS> Will they give income?
20100705 16:27:08< Gambit> no
20100705 16:27:12< Soul_keeper> e_s-iOS, yes 
20100705 16:27:20< Gambit> I still haven't wrapped my head around chain reactions though.
20100705 16:27:29< Gambit> To store all the cave in a large connected string...
20100705 16:27:35< Gambit> without repeating past storages
20100705 16:27:53< Soul_keeper> e_s-iOS, I got it working 4min after you left :)
20100705 16:28:05< e_s-iOS> Soul_keeper: Cool
20100705 16:28:32< e_s-iOS> Gambit: Will it also lower the level of hexes of the adjacent, not only caves?
20100705 16:30:08< e_s-iOS> Like a normal harvester?
20100705 16:30:16< e_s-iOS> But without income?
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20100705 16:31:06< Gambit> e_s-iOS: no
20100705 16:31:15< e_s-iOS> Okay
20100705 16:31:16< Gambit> the idea is that cave is incredibly fragile
20100705 16:31:24< e_s-iOS> Cool
20100705 16:31:46< e_s-iOS> Hmm....1.8.3 is already released?
20100705 16:31:56< e_s-iOS> Not announced, but released
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20100705 16:34:13< e_s-iOS> Hi Unnheulu 
20100705 16:34:29< Unnheulu> Hiah
20100705 16:34:37< Unnheulu> Midnight Carnivals brother lied
20100705 16:34:41< Unnheulu> It's easy with ODE
20100705 16:34:46< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 16:35:43< Unnheulu> Hmm?
20100705 16:36:03< Unnheulu> Haha nice one shadowmaster
20100705 16:36:16< e_s-iOS> Wha?
20100705 16:36:24< Unnheulu> 3 word game
20100705 16:36:26< Unnheulu> Or w/e
20100705 16:36:30< e_s-iOS> Oh lol
20100705 16:36:37< Unnheulu> 998 posts
20100705 16:36:58< e_s-iOS> Yup
20100705 16:37:23< e_s-iOS> I played a lot in the beginning, then stopped
20100705 16:37:38 * Unnheulu hates forum games
20100705 16:37:43< Unnheulu> I'm never active enough on forums
20100705 16:37:47< Unnheulu> So I miss loads of it
20100705 16:37:54< Unnheulu> And it seems like a messy pile of...
20100705 16:38:06< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu: You didnt even like the limerick games?
20100705 16:38:14< Unnheulu> Those are alright
20100705 16:38:18< Unnheulu> I prefer it when its one line each
20100705 16:38:30< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 16:38:33< e_s-iOS> Like
20100705 16:39:11< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu: If you want to post more, play my campaign and test it!
20100705 16:39:16< e_s-iOS> The newest version
20100705 16:39:17< Unnheulu> Meh
20100705 16:39:22< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 16:39:26< Unnheulu> I have my own game to build, remember?
20100705 16:39:32< e_s-iOS> Sticking in a little ad
20100705 16:39:34< e_s-iOS> Yuup
20100705 16:40:13< e_s-iOS> #xmoto and that RTS, right?
20100705 16:40:31< Unnheulu> Yeah
20100705 16:40:41< Unnheulu> #amazolia, although there is noone there (obviously)
20100705 16:40:55< Unnheulu> I might stop developing xmoto though because the lead developer is getting so antisocial recently
20100705 16:41:12< e_s-iOS> Haha
20100705 16:41:13< Unnheulu> Maybe will look at wesnoths code
20100705 16:41:24< e_s-iOS> Cool
20100705 16:48:38< Soul_keeper> I thought about making a wesnoth simulator, where it takes a map and simulates 1000 games to see if any faction/leader has an edge
20100705 16:48:56< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 16:49:04< Unnheulu> Wicked
20100705 16:49:15< Unnheulu> But that would only show ai flaws
20100705 16:49:39< Soul_keeper> I suppose 
20100705 16:50:00< Soul_keeper> i'm not too good with C++ anyways
20100705 16:50:53< Soul_keeper> i'd assume all the ai functions i'd need would be buried somewhere in the wesnoth code, lotsa stuff to look over
20100705 16:51:48< Soul_keeper> I made a program that converts images into wesnoth maps, I should make that better and give it a gtk interface
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20100705 17:00:46< Hulavuta> Images into Wesnoth maps???
20100705 17:07:05< Hulavuta> Soul_keeper: How does that work?
20100705 17:09:36-!- Unnheulu is now known as Un-afk
20100705 17:10:17< e_s-iOS> Is valk not on yet?
20100705 17:12:28< Hulavuta> I guess not
20100705 17:12:32< e_s-iOS> Hulavuta: How's FtGJ coming
20100705 17:12:38< Hulavuta> He's not on the list of people
20100705 17:12:42< e_s-iOS> .
20100705 17:12:58< Hulavuta> e_s-iOS: I'm not working on it right now, I'm working on the third chapter of my fic
20100705 17:12:58< e_s-iOS> Yeah
20100705 17:13:04< Hulavuta> But I'll work on it once I'm finished
20100705 17:13:07< e_s-iOS> Oh
20100705 17:13:22< e_s-iOS> You got the acronym right away?
20100705 17:13:52< Hulavuta> 'twas easy
20100705 17:13:59< Hulavuta> I'm only working on 2 things
20100705 17:14:06< e_s-iOS> Lol
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20100705 17:14:30< Hulavuta> and the other is acronym'd TSC, so FtGJ would obviously have to be fossil
20100705 17:14:37< Hulavuta> Also it's F:tGJ
20100705 17:14:53< e_s-iOS> Nah, FtGJ
20100705 17:15:19< e_s-iOS> Lol, upon looking on the acronym again, it almost looks like it stands for
20100705 17:15:36< e_s-iOS> *alert: profanity*
20100705 17:15:57< e_s-iOS> F*** the Giant Jug
20100705 17:16:32< Hulavuta> :-!
20100705 17:16:40< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 17:16:54< e_s-iOS> Sry
20100705 17:17:03< e_s-iOS> Today's making me see things
20100705 17:17:16< Hulavuta> Watching porn again?
20100705 17:17:24< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 17:17:26< e_s-iOS> Yes
20100705 17:17:29< e_s-iOS> Erm.....no
20100705 17:17:37< Hulavuta> 0_0
20100705 17:17:55< e_s-iOS> No, I don't watch anything I'm not supposed to
20100705 17:18:26< Hulavuta> Lol
20100705 17:18:43< e_s-iOS> Yeah :)
20100705 17:22:21< e_s-iOS> Too bad TWS got locked, btw
20100705 17:22:38< Hulavuta> Meh, I don't really care
20100705 17:22:43< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 17:23:09< Hulavuta> shadowmaster and Gambit were right, Off-Topic needs more intelligent discussions, rather than silly games
20100705 17:23:23< e_s-iOS> Yeah
20100705 17:23:24< e_s-iOS> Now the vending machine...
20100705 17:23:56< Hulavuta> quiz: What happens when a vampire sucks the blood of a drake?
20100705 17:24:16< e_s-iOS> Dunno
20100705 17:24:34< Hulavuta> ...
20100705 17:24:39< Hulavuta> What do drakes have instead of blood
20100705 17:24:47< e_s-iOS> Fire?
20100705 17:25:03< Hulavuta> Now answer the question
20100705 17:25:26< e_s-iOS> They get burned?
20100705 17:25:58< Hulavuta> Think bigger
20100705 17:26:30< e_s-iOS> ....
20100705 17:26:34< e_s-iOS> Uhhh
20100705 17:26:50< Hulavuta> http://triangulations.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/mushroom-cloud.jpg
20100705 17:27:05< Hulavuta> LOLOLOLOL
20100705 17:27:15< e_s-iOS> Lol?
20100705 17:29:35< Hulavuta> e_s-iOS: What's your favorite mainline campaign? 
20100705 17:29:42< e_s-iOS> Uhh
20100705 17:30:02< Hulavuta> How about least favorite?
20100705 17:30:14< e_s-iOS> Of the ones I played...
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20100705 17:30:47< Hulavuta> artisticdude-iPo: hi
20100705 17:30:50< e_s-iOS> Probably AToTB
20100705 17:30:54< e_s-iOS> artisticdude-iPo: Hihi
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20100705 17:31:11< Hulavuta> Two brothers?
20100705 17:31:27< Hulavuta> My least fav would have to be Northern Rebirth
20100705 17:31:29< e_s-iOS> Yeah
20100705 17:31:33< artisticdude> Hey guys. 
20100705 17:31:37< e_s-iOS> I like NR
20100705 17:31:42< e_s-iOS> Hey artisticdude 
20100705 17:31:48< Hulavuta> It made absolutely no freaking sense
20100705 17:32:04< e_s-iOS> Fav would prob be SoTBE
20100705 17:32:08< e_s-iOS> Hulavuta: Wha?
20100705 17:32:40< Hulavuta> I liked SotBE too
20100705 17:32:51< artisticdude> NR wasn't finished when I last played it. 
20100705 17:32:57< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 17:33:03< Hulavuta> NR made no sense, like the dialogue was kind of weird, 
20100705 17:33:13< e_s-iOS> Ahh
20100705 17:33:20< e_s-iOS> I liked the gameplay though
20100705 17:33:23< Hulavuta> yeah me too
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20100705 17:33:26< Hulavuta> But the story was retarded
20100705 17:33:39< Hulavuta> It didn't even feel like Wesnoth, it felt like Fairly Odd Parents
20100705 17:34:05< artisticdude> I haven't played HttT since 0.8 :P
20100705 17:34:31< Hulavuta> lol
20100705 17:34:31< e_s-iOS> Well, if NR hadn't happened, my campaign wouldn't make sense
20100705 17:34:35< Hulavuta> I know
20100705 17:34:43< Hulavuta> But I'm saying the dialogue didn't make sense
20100705 17:34:49< e_s-iOS> Yeah
20100705 17:34:52< Hulavuta> But the story in reference to the timeline was okay
20100705 17:35:05< e_s-iOS> artisticdude: Im playing HttT now
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20100705 17:37:47< Hulavuta> Do you think Elves and Drakes could have an alliance?
20100705 17:37:53< Hulavuta> During the Fall that is
20100705 17:37:59< Hulavuta> e_s-iOS: 
20100705 17:38:14< e_s-iOS> Hmm
20100705 17:38:20< e_s-iOS> I guess
20100705 17:38:22< Hulavuta> Ok
20100705 17:38:30< e_s-iOS> For survival purposes?
20100705 17:38:47< Hulavuta> Yeah, I guess
20100705 17:43:58-!- Un-afk is now known as Unnheulu
20100705 17:50:37< Hulavuta> Chapter 3 is done!!!
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20100705 18:47:45< Unnheulu> Gambit, I <3 your signature ;P
20100705 18:48:04< Hulavuta> Unnheulu: You're really late
20100705 18:48:16< Unnheulu> :D
20100705 18:48:24< Hulavuta> =-O
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20100705 18:53:41< Gambit> Unnheulu: You can have it.
20100705 18:53:46< Gambit> I need to find something cleverer.
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20100705 19:16:19< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20100705 19:23:39< Hulavuta> [Relic]: Hi
20100705 19:23:56< Hulavuta> What's with the brackets?
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20100705 19:24:52< Gambit> Hulavuta: Because when he gets on your nerves you can simply enter: [/Relic] and it will stop outputting his messages.
20100705 19:24:55< Gambit> [Relic]
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20100705 19:24:55< [Relic]> I stopped growing up and started growing out so I need something to squeeze the gut in   :)
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20100705 19:25:31< Hulavuta> Meh
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20100705 19:26:24< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: having some issues?
20100705 19:26:29< elvish_sovereign> internet
20100705 19:26:30< elvish_sovereign> yup
20100705 19:26:41< elvish_sovereign> had to reset some stuff
20100705 19:26:57< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100705 19:27:46< Hulavuta> elvish_sovereign: I finished chapter 3
20100705 19:27:56< elvish_sovereign> yeah, i heard
20100705 19:27:58< Hulavuta> Lol
20100705 19:28:15< Hulavuta> I'm going to work on my piece of shit campaign you keep asking me about now
20100705 19:28:24< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100705 19:29:13< Hulavuta> Gambit: Have you read The Picture of Dorian Grey?
20100705 19:29:18< elvish_sovereign> i have
20100705 19:29:28< Hulavuta> Is it good?
20100705 19:29:35< elvish_sovereign> interesting
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20100705 19:29:54< Hulavuta> Is there a link to read it online? I'm kind of interested. Yet horrified at the same time
20100705 19:30:00< elvish_sovereign> Valkier: finally you are here!
20100705 19:30:06< Hulavuta> No he isn't
20100705 19:30:07< Valkier> Wha?
20100705 19:30:13< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100705 19:30:23< Valkier> Nobody is ever happy to see me.
20100705 19:30:23< elvish_sovereign> was waiting for you
20100705 19:30:26< Valkier> What's going on.
20100705 19:30:28< elvish_sovereign> I am!
20100705 19:30:29< Hulavuta> Valkier: I'm just kidding
20100705 19:30:41 * Valkier is suspicious
20100705 19:30:41< Hulavuta> Let me try a different approach
20100705 19:30:54< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100705 19:31:00< Hulavuta> OMG VALKIER IS HERE WORSHIP SACRIFICE GIVE HIM YOUR BABIES
20100705 19:31:21< Valkier> Hulavuta: Very well. Begin with the youngest.
20100705 19:31:30< Hulavuta> Who is the youngest?
20100705 19:31:39< elvish_sovereign> you
20100705 19:31:39< elvish_sovereign> ]
20100705 19:31:44< elvish_sovereign> Hulavuta: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/174
20100705 19:31:45< Valkier> Cut them open and count the rings.
20100705 19:31:48< Hulavuta> But I'm not a baby
20100705 19:31:56< elvish_sovereign> yes you are
20100705 19:32:08< elvish_sovereign> the newborn to be sacrificed
20100705 19:32:09< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100705 19:32:24< Hulavuta> elvish_sovereign: How long is it?
20100705 19:32:31< elvish_sovereign> 20 chapters
20100705 19:32:47< Hulavuta> How long is a chapter?
20100705 19:32:55< elvish_sovereign> a bit
20100705 19:33:20< Hulavuta> Ok
20100705 19:33:43< Hulavuta> Valkier: I'm not unhappy that you're here, I just said "No he isn't" as a joke, but I guess it wasn't funny, ll
20100705 19:34:04< Valkier> Hulavuta: I got the joke. I wasn't picking on you.
20100705 19:34:09< Hulavuta> Ok
20100705 19:34:09< Hulavuta> lol
20100705 19:34:18< Valkier> elvish_sovereign has me worried however.
20100705 19:34:25< elvish_sovereign> huh?
20100705 19:34:37< elvish_sovereign> why?
20100705 19:34:46< Valkier> You're the one who said you were waiting for me. 0_0
20100705 19:34:59< elvish_sovereign> cause you are awesome
20100705 19:35:09< Valkier> At what?
20100705 19:35:14< elvish_sovereign> ok switching to moblie
20100705 19:35:18< elvish_sovereign> Valkier: everything
20100705 19:35:22< Valkier> :-P
20100705 19:35:24< Hulavuta> elvish_sovereign=kiss ass
20100705 19:35:29< Hulavuta> lol
20100705 19:35:31< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100705 19:35:34< elvish_sovereign> no, really
20100705 19:35:36< Valkier> I'm like the worst person to kiss ass.
20100705 19:35:42< Valkier> I can't do anything special.
20100705 19:35:51< elvish_sovereign> you make great portraits
20100705 19:35:59< elvish_sovereign> and lots of stuff
20100705 19:36:01< Valkier> Lies
20100705 19:36:12< Valkier> Mediocre at best.
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20100705 19:36:41< Hulavuta> Valkier: Are you just trying to be modest or do you really think you suck?
20100705 19:37:26< e_s-iOS> There are a number of people I admire on wesnoth
20100705 19:37:38< Hulavuta> They don't make everybody an art contributor
20100705 19:37:41< Hulavuta> Okay yes they do
20100705 19:37:54< e_s-iOS> Valkier: You're one of them
20100705 19:38:14< Valkier> Hulavuta: I honestly don't think what I make is all that amazing.
20100705 19:38:23< Valkier> But I'm glad everyone enjoys it.
20100705 19:38:42< e_s-iOS> :)
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20100705 19:40:28< Hulavuta> e_s-iOS: Can you take a look at the Wikipedia article for the story and tell me if there are any images?
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20100705 19:40:37< e_s-iOS> Why?
20100705 19:40:42< Hulavuta> Images of old stuff always freaks me out
20100705 19:40:55< e_s-iOS> Then don't read the story
20100705 19:41:06< Hulavuta> I want to read it, but I don't want to see any freaky pics
20100705 19:41:07< Hulavuta> lol
20100705 19:41:21< e_s-iOS> The text describes the paintings well
20100705 19:41:31< Hulavuta> Ok...
20100705 19:41:38< Hulavuta> Is Basil gay? lol
20100705 19:41:44< e_s-iOS> Well I'm on mobile, so I can't see it anyway
20100705 19:41:50< Hulavuta> lol
20100705 19:41:53< Hulavuta> Basil=Gay
20100705 19:42:00< e_s-iOS> The BBC film certainly suggests that
20100705 19:42:05< Hulavuta> lol
20100705 19:42:08< e_s-iOS> The text not as much
20100705 19:42:18< Unnheulu> Hmm?
20100705 19:42:21< Unnheulu> Which BBC film?
20100705 19:42:27< Hulavuta> The Picture of Dorian Gray
20100705 19:42:48< e_s-iOS> It's a .....weird film
20100705 19:42:56< e_s-iOS> Book is amazing though
20100705 19:43:15< e_s-iOS> Hulavuta: Is a preface included in the online text I gave you?
20100705 19:43:18< Hulavuta> HOW THE HELL DID THE LAST AIRBENDER AND ECLIPSE PASS TOY STORY THREE??????
20100705 19:43:23< Hulavuta> Yes, there is
20100705 19:43:33< e_s-iOS> By Wilde?
20100705 19:43:44< e_s-iOS> Like a long poem of sorts?
20100705 19:43:54< Hulavuta> Kind of
20100705 19:44:07< e_s-iOS> That's the secret behind the entire novel
20100705 19:44:11< Hulavuta> Lol Avatar got a D from the critics XD
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20100705 19:44:14< e_s-iOS> It's confusing though
20100705 19:44:22< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100705 19:44:59< Hulavuta> I agree with them
20100705 19:45:05< Hulavuta> The cartoon was awesome
20100705 19:45:09< Hulavuta> This movie probably sucks
20100705 19:45:31< Hulavuta> "Since "Airbender" involves the human manipulation of the forces of air, earth, water and fire, there is hardly an event that can be rendered plausibly in live action. That said, its special effects are atrocious. The first time the waterbender Katara summons a globe of water, which then splashes (offscreen) on her brother Sokka, he doesn't even get wet.  Firebenders' flames don't seem to really burn, and so on."
20100705 19:45:52< e_s-iOS> Oh wow
20100705 19:45:57< VurtualRuler98> It's actually hl2 particles
20100705 19:45:59< VurtualRuler98> irl
20100705 19:47:32< Hulavuta> "After the miscalculation of making the movie as live action, there remained the challenge of casting it. Shyamalan has failed. His first inexplicable mistake was to change the races of the leading characters; on television Aang was clearly Asian, and so were Katara and Sokka, with perhaps Mongolian and Inuit genes. Here they're all whites. This casting makes no sense because (1) It's a distraction for fans of the hugely popular TV series, an
20100705 19:49:02< Hulavuta> That's just like that Dragonball movie
20100705 19:49:03< VurtualRuler98> Aang was pretty pale white
20100705 19:49:06< VurtualRuler98> but still Asian
20100705 19:49:26< VurtualRuler98> Katara and Sokka are clearly eskimo
20100705 19:49:47< Hulavuta> The actors are all white
20100705 19:50:19< Hulavuta> Anyway, these aren't my words, but I agree with them
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20100705 19:53:58< Hulavuta> Also I think it's kind of odd how much they try to avoid the word Avatar
20100705 20:00:42< e_s-iOS> Ok, gotta go. See ya all later.
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20100705 20:19:33< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: they are avoiding it because of James Cameron's Avatar, naturally
20100705 20:19:41< Hulavuta> I know
20100705 20:20:05< Hulavuta> But I don't see what the point is, unless they could get sued
20100705 20:20:15< shadowmaster> I think I heard they were threatened
20100705 20:20:27< shadowmaster> in any case, it's sad to hear that it was a failure, even if I haven't watched the original series.
20100705 20:20:30< Hulavuta> But it's based off of the show, which has Avatar in the title, so shouldn't that waive copyrights?
20100705 20:20:48< shadowmaster> who knows.
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20100705 20:22:50< Hulavuta> Maybe movies and TV shows have different copyrightness
20100705 20:23:11< shadowmaster> okay, I hear from TVTropes that James Cameron did threaten them.
20100705 20:23:16< shadowmaster> even if that wouldn't make it very far in court.
20100705 20:23:51< shadowmaster> so they dropped the"avatar" part to avoid awkward situations
20100705 20:24:55< shadowmaster> oh my...this guy is also behind the mess that was The Happening.
20100705 20:25:11 * shadowmaster *eye twitch*
20100705 20:26:18< Hulavuta> Well the show was awesome anyway, 
20100705 20:28:58< shadowmaster> I really wish someone would grant me the wish of making a big budget movie that didn't suck.
20100705 20:30:13< Hulavuta> Did you like Avatar?
20100705 20:30:25< shadowmaster> no
20100705 20:30:30< Hulavuta> Jurassic Park?
20100705 20:30:34< shadowmaster> hence it's linked in one of my posts in 3-word story
20100705 20:30:41< shadowmaster> I mean ruin a wish fndn.
20100705 20:30:56< Hulavuta> Did you like Jurassic Park?
20100705 20:30:58< shadowmaster> I'm drinking tea.
20100705 20:31:04< shadowmaster> don't list bad movies that'll make me spit tea on the laptop
20100705 20:31:33< Hulavuta> You didn't like Jurassic Park either?
20100705 20:31:48< Hulavuta> What about The Terminator? (I don't know if it was big budget)
20100705 20:31:49< VurtualRuler98> It's a unix system
20100705 20:31:51< VurtualRuler98> I KNOW THIS.
20100705 20:32:15< shadowmaster> gaa
20100705 20:32:25< Hulavuta> What movies did you like?
20100705 20:32:26< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: The original Terminator didn't have big budget.
20100705 20:32:36< Hulavuta> But it was good?
20100705 20:32:46< shadowmaster> so, no, I didnt' like Jurassic Park.
20100705 20:32:57< VurtualRuler98> Jurassic Park was an awesome movie and if shadowmaster didn't like it then they must be insane.
20100705 20:33:09< shadowmaster> I don't like anything that stomps on Biology like a crazy chil with ADHD
20100705 20:33:10< VurtualRuler98> But not criminally insane, you're still being charged for not liking it.
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20100705 20:33:16< shadowmaster> *child
20100705 20:33:17< VurtualRuler98> Stomps? It invented it.
20100705 20:33:26< shadowmaster> you troll.
20100705 20:33:27< VurtualRuler98> The only thing they got "wrong", were velociraptors.
20100705 20:33:38< VurtualRuler98> Later, we found fossils of exactly that.
20100705 20:33:47< VurtualRuler98> Nature couldn't say no.
20100705 20:33:54< Hulavuta> Jurassic Park the novel was better
20100705 20:34:10< Hulavuta> Plus, they had to twist Biology, or else it would make even less sense
20100705 20:34:34< Hulavuta> Also I'm guessing Transformers is totally out of the questioin
20100705 20:34:38< Hulavuta> *question
20100705 20:35:12< VurtualRuler98> "Okay, there's amber they found, which had preserved DNA. And they cloned dinosaurs from them, and this helped them repair the damaged genetic code we already knew, and then we substituted some parts, and they're also smart genetic scientists. This works."
20100705 20:35:19< shadowmaster> explosions, explosions, explosions. It gets annoying after a while.
20100705 20:35:21< VurtualRuler98> Later, chekov's gun, and bam, biology's done.
20100705 20:35:31< VurtualRuler98> also T-Rex attacking a car!
20100705 20:35:45< Hulavuta> How about Star Wars or Indiana Jones?
20100705 20:36:12< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: the latter is okay. The earlier? Hmmmmm....the original trilogy is below my average acceptance level.
20100705 20:36:17< VurtualRuler98> "You've turned off your targeting computer! Is everything alright?" "Yeah, I'm okay, everything's okay here."
20100705 20:36:21< VurtualRuler98> critical hit! 9999!
20100705 20:36:26< shadowmaster> The prequels are...hmmm....argh.
20100705 20:36:29< VurtualRuler98> Han Solo has some of the best lines ever.
20100705 20:37:14< VurtualRuler98> "427, what happened?" "We uh, had a weapons malnfunction, but everything's under control here. Yeah, everything's fine here now, we're okay."
20100705 20:37:15< Hulavuta> shadowmaster: What movies DO you like?
20100705 20:37:16< VurtualRuler98> "How are you?"
20100705 20:37:17< zookeeper> shadowmaster, uh...terminator 2? aliens? dark knight? gladiator? empire strikes back?
20100705 20:37:25< Hulavuta> Gladiator was good
20100705 20:37:29< zookeeper> all big budget as far as i can tell.
20100705 20:37:41< VurtualRuler98> and the now-legendary, improvized "I love you." "I know."
20100705 20:38:20< zookeeper> VurtualRuler98, if you want to quote movies then at least don't get them totally wrong
20100705 20:38:34< VurtualRuler98> Oh come on I'm working on memory here
20100705 20:38:35< VurtualRuler98> :(
20100705 20:38:40< shadowmaster> "Luke, I am your father" is one of the most common misquotes.
20100705 20:38:47< VurtualRuler98> and nobody makes that now
20100705 20:38:56< VurtualRuler98> Meanwhile I'm going to play Deus Ex
20100705 20:38:58< VurtualRuler98> zoooooom
20100705 20:39:59< shadowmaster> zookeeper: of those you mentioned, only one was released within the last 5 years
20100705 20:41:15< zookeeper> shadowmaster, who cares?
20100705 20:41:43< Hulavuta> Yeah, they were big budget
20100705 20:42:01< Hulavuta> What about the Lord of the Rings Trilogy? Were those big budget?
20100705 20:42:13< zookeeper> "i guess"
20100705 20:42:40< Hulavuta> How much is a "Big budget" anyway?
20100705 20:44:44< shadowmaster> zookeeper: I care because I don't have good equipment at home for watching movies with all the surround sound and big screen awesomeness that I can get at the cinema for a low price.
20100705 20:45:11< shadowmaster> and I don't think I'm going to do anything about it right now since I'm running out of budget due to unexpected RL problems.
20100705 20:45:14< shadowmaster> :(
20100705 20:46:08< zookeeper> oh, right.
20100705 20:46:09< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: those were awesome.
20100705 20:46:19< shadowmaster> like...10 years ago, I forgot
20100705 20:46:37< shadowmaster> I watched the last two at the cinema though.
20100705 20:46:38< Hulavuta> Lord of the Rings?
20100705 20:46:42< shadowmaster> yes
20100705 20:46:51< Hulavuta> ok
20100705 20:47:13< shadowmaster> it's like...I watched Two Towers before Fellowship[...], which I got in VHS.
20100705 20:47:18< Hulavuta> How about The Simpsons movie? XDDDD
20100705 20:47:25< shadowmaster> when VHS were still used around here.
20100705 20:47:26< zookeeper> seems like there'd usually be potentially good movies at the cinema, you just have to avoid the obviously stupid hyped stuff
20100705 20:47:51< zookeeper> i very rarely go to the cinema myself, though
20100705 20:48:13< Hulavuta> I don't even remember what happened in Fellowship
20100705 20:48:31< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: Boromir dies.
20100705 20:48:34< shadowmaster> </trll>
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20100705 20:49:11< Hulavuta> It's kind of odd in the game Battle for Middle-earth, because you can save him
20100705 20:49:23< Hulavuta> And then he appears in all kinds of places that he shouldn't be in
20100705 20:49:25< zookeeper> i'd probably be much happier if i went to watch some low-budget non-action/epic movie instead of something obviously stupid but expensive and hyped like "the lightning thief"
20100705 20:49:40< shadowmaster> obviously games based on books or movies tend to fail
20100705 20:49:43< shadowmaster> a lot
20100705 20:50:06< Hulavuta> Games based off of books fail the most
20100705 20:50:10< shadowmaster> Boromir dies in J. R. R. Tolkien's LoTR. Period.
20100705 20:50:58< shadowmaster> oh, and it's very hard to avoid spoiling this kind of movies anyway. I think everyone knows already that Gollum saved the world. Sorta.
20100705 20:51:03< Tomsik> Angry rambling gogogogogo http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30653
20100705 20:51:13< shadowmaster> where by world I mean Middle Earth.
20100705 20:51:47< shadowmaster> Tomsik: what the hell.
20100705 20:52:04< shadowmaster> Tomsik: don't feed Chrusmaster.
20100705 20:52:10< Tomsik> Haha
20100705 20:52:11< shadowmaster> go and delete your thread now
20100705 20:52:13< Hulavuta> So I shouldn't reply?
20100705 20:52:20< Tomsik> Come ooon
20100705 20:52:31< Hulavuta> Isn't it against the rules to talk about religion?
20100705 20:52:44< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: no, but feeding trolls is.
20100705 20:52:51< Hulavuta> Ok
20100705 20:52:55< shadowmaster> it's an unwritten guideline that I'm about to enforce.
20100705 20:53:19< Tomsik> Meh
20100705 20:53:26< Tomsik> I'm not feeding the trolls
20100705 20:53:34< Tomsik> I'm offering a challenge
20100705 20:53:42< Tomsik> intellectual one
20100705 20:53:45< Tomsik> and it's off-topic
20100705 20:53:54< shadowmaster> you are feeding the trolls.
20100705 20:54:08< Tomsik> Geez, where's the old spirit
20100705 20:54:42< Tomsik> Of the flaming ass flamewars
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20100705 20:55:33< Tomsik> Ghey
20100705 20:56:58< shadowmaster> come again?
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20100705 20:57:43< Hulavuta> shadowmaster: Can we talk about it here in IRC?
20100705 20:57:56< shadowmaster> yes.
20100705 20:57:59< Hulavuta> Ok
20100705 20:58:00< Hulavuta> Later
20100705 20:58:04< Hulavuta> Because now I'm gonna eat
20100705 20:58:13< Hulavuta> byebye
20100705 20:58:18< Tomsik> That's just sick, cutting a discussion before anyone replied
20100705 20:58:35< shadowmaster> don't like it? find a different forum.
20100705 20:58:38< Tomsik> It could be a quite civilised discussion
20100705 20:58:40< Tomsik> yeah, I'm gonna
20100705 20:58:47< Tomsik> not ur customer anymoar
20100705 20:58:53< Tomsik> Just kidding
20100705 20:58:56< shadowmaster> there's been no religious talk thread that hasn't ended with a lock at any point
20100705 20:59:00< Tomsik> But I'm shocked and appalled
20100705 20:59:34< Hulavuta> shadowmaster: How is that different from other religion threads?
20100705 20:59:51< shadowmaster> it isn't.
20100705 20:59:57< shadowmaster> your point is?
20100705 21:00:24< Hulavuta> Oh 
20100705 21:00:25< Hulavuta> Nevermind
20100705 21:00:28< Hulavuta> I misread your post
20100705 21:00:47< Hulavuta> I didn't notice the "no" in "no religious talk"
20100705 21:01:01< Hulavuta> So why would we be allowed to talk about it on IRC?
20100705 21:01:40< Elvish_Pillager> Because God said so!
20100705 21:01:47< Hulavuta> Okay!
20100705 21:01:56< Gambit> NRIW applies to the community conversations now. :)
20100705 21:02:12< Hulavuta> Ok
20100705 21:02:15< Hulavuta> Bye bye to eat
20100705 21:02:21< Elvish_Pillager> Helloooo? NRIW doesn't even apply to mainline campaigns since ages ago :)
20100705 21:02:59< Gambit> shhhh
20100705 21:06:23< Hulavuta> ALL HAIL ELOH WE WORSHIP ELOH LOLOLOL
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20100705 21:06:39< Hulavuta> ELOH HAVE MY BABIEZ
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20100705 21:07:45< shadowmaster> isn't it awesome how some people completely miss the point
20100705 21:09:52< Tomsik> My religions says that your religion is bullshit and saying that my religion is wrong is religious offence to me.
20100705 21:09:57< Tomsik> For all religions
20100705 21:10:00< Tomsik> Including this one
20100705 21:10:03< Tomsik> :p
20100705 21:10:36< Gambit> We all follow Crom.
20100705 21:10:57< Tomsik> What's Crom?
20100705 21:11:01< Elvish_Pillager> Tomsik: Don't forget that I'm religiously offended by your existence.
20100705 21:11:21< Tomsik> Yeah, that should be one additional axiom.
20100705 21:11:34< Gambit> The great lord Crom who sits atop his dark mountain shrouded in grim mist, casting judgement upon the world.
20100705 21:11:44< Elvish_Pillager> But don't worry, I don't hate you; I just disagree with your existent lifestyle.
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20100705 21:12:25< Tomsik> Nah, if god exists it has to be a woman, with a period
20100705 21:12:53< shadowmaster> sexist jokes are off-topic here btw
20100705 21:12:57< shadowmaster> just saying
20100705 21:13:05< Elvish_Pillager> I don't see a period in that sentence.
20100705 21:13:17< Gambit> Tomsik: Crom is the perfect god for the barbarian who doesn't have time to stop and make a sacrifice every 50 cubits!
20100705 21:13:30< Tomsik> shadowmaster: Uh, is that sexist to say that women act differently on their periods?
20100705 21:14:25< shadowmaster> "just saying"
20100705 21:14:42< Elvish_Pillager> I think you have there the sexist implication that that's the main kind of wildly fluctuating human behavior in existence
20100705 21:16:03< Tomsik> Okay, then god has to be bipolar
20100705 21:16:12< Elvish_Pillager> Metaphor-wise, I'd rather not go for an image of a god that only shits on us SOMETIMES...
20100705 21:16:31< Gambit> Philotic connections people.
20100705 21:18:02< Tomsik> The thing is that it's hard to even quantify the kind of infinity we're talking about if we're talking about set of all gods.
20100705 21:18:23< Elvish_Pillager> can't be TOO hard
20100705 21:18:35< Tomsik> How many parameters a god has?
20100705 21:18:51< Elvish_Pillager> I don't think you can have more than countably infinite godes
20100705 21:18:53< Elvish_Pillager> *gods
20100705 21:18:58< Tomsik> Sure you can
20100705 21:19:07< Elvish_Pillager> And have them all have influence?
20100705 21:19:23< Tomsik> Oh, I mean set of all possible gods
20100705 21:19:36< Tomsik> What if there are uncountably many gods
20100705 21:19:49< Tomsik> and then like integrate influence
20100705 21:19:53< Tomsik> and get 1 or something
20100705 21:20:01< Elvish_Pillager> but then none of the gods would have any influence, lol
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20100705 21:20:24< Tomsik> Yeah, every single god would have no influence
20100705 21:20:31< Tomsik> which is a pretty interesting model
20100705 21:20:56< Elvish_Pillager> I'd rather have all the gods be omnipotent
20100705 21:21:01< Tomsik> considering how prayers to single gods apparently don't work in a non-negligible manner
20100705 21:21:02< Elvish_Pillager> in which case I think you can only have finitely many
20100705 21:21:11< Tomsik> No, see
20100705 21:21:18< Tomsik> Omnipotence of just one god creates paradoxes
20100705 21:21:24< Tomsik> it's like godel or halting problem
20100705 21:21:56< Elvish_Pillager> I don't see what the problem is if you define the omnipotence nicely
20100705 21:23:02< Tomsik> I don't see a nice definition of it
20100705 21:23:20< Gambit> It's everything.
20100705 21:23:29< Elvish_Pillager> if only certain world-states are possible, then omnipotence only requires total ability to set the world-state from outside of it
20100705 21:23:39< Elvish_Pillager> no paradoxes there
20100705 21:23:54< Tomsik> Okay, so it's world-oriented omnipotence
20100705 21:24:01< Elvish_Pillager> Right.
20100705 21:24:15< Tomsik> so the god would have limited saying about itself and the non-world stuff
20100705 21:24:29< Elvish_Pillager> right
20100705 21:24:47< Tomsik> It's interesting, since such god is clearly imperfect
20100705 21:24:51< Elvish_Pillager> Huh?
20100705 21:25:03< Tomsik> It can't make itself better
20100705 21:25:11< Tomsik> brb, gotta eat something
20100705 21:25:16< Elvish_Pillager> "perfect" isn't a binary quality
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20100705 21:29:05< Tomsik> well, there should be the greatest element
20100705 21:29:08< Tomsik> or at least maximal
20100705 21:29:19< Tomsik> in this poset
20100705 21:30:06< Elvish_Pillager> in what?
20100705 21:30:37< Elvish_Pillager> Out of all "non-world stuff"?
20100705 21:32:27< Tomsik> nah, set of all possible gods
20100705 21:32:42< Tomsik> wait, that doesn't make sense
20100705 21:32:49< Tomsik> you'd rather want an infinite ascending chain
20100705 21:32:49< Elvish_Pillager> I was wondering when you'd realize that :p
20100705 21:32:59< Elvish_Pillager> Why would I want that
20100705 21:33:07< Tomsik> Well, given a god
20100705 21:33:18 * Elvish_Pillager is glad to be given a god
20100705 21:33:43< Tomsik> you could create a god by adding a clause "is more awesome than X" where X is the given god
20100705 21:33:58< Tomsik> and he'd be higher in the hierarchy of perfectness
20100705 21:34:21< Elvish_Pillager> lol
20100705 21:34:24< Elvish_Pillager> I can create gods?
20100705 21:36:45< Tomsik> well
20100705 21:36:59< Tomsik> set of all gods should be closed under such basic operations
20100705 21:37:39< Elvish_Pillager> Why?
20100705 21:39:23< Tomsik> If you work on such high level of abstraction as in talking of perfectness
20100705 21:39:33< Tomsik> and gods work with such things
20100705 21:39:38< Elvish_Pillager> why should they?
20100705 21:40:02< Tomsik> Actually, maybe set of all possible gods is very small and we've got the best we could :p
20100705 21:40:13< Tomsik> Well, if they're not closed under that
20100705 21:40:25< Tomsik> then you can't take a god and say that there's two of these
20100705 21:40:37< Tomsik> or three
20100705 21:40:40< Tomsik> and it's just one god
20100705 21:49:37< Valkier> Tomsik: Didn't I all ready crush this retarded argument?
20100705 21:49:46< Valkier> Must I do it again?
20100705 21:50:07< Tomsik> When did you?
20100705 21:50:30< Valkier> Around the time I let you know the Christian god was once wirshipped along side other gods.
20100705 21:50:43< Valkier> Therefore, your entire argument is redundant.
20100705 21:50:45< Tomsik> I'm still for uncountably infinite gods
20100705 21:51:02< Tomsik> Valkier: what has that to do with anything?
20100705 21:51:03< Valkier> Because the Christian god was at one point part of all that.
20100705 21:51:16< Elvish_Pillager> I'm trying to decide how to re-implement Grow Trees, since I don't quite like the old version.
20100705 21:51:19< Valkier> So basically you want to have an argument where everyone is on the same side.
20100705 21:51:35< Tomsik> Once people thought that lightenings were Zeus's work
20100705 21:51:39< Tomsik> nobody does so anymore
20100705 21:51:44< Valkier> Lightnenings!
20100705 21:51:47< Tomsik> Well, negligible amount
20100705 21:51:49< Valkier> Oh good!
20100705 21:51:53< Elvish_Pillager> what about that lightning bolt that struck a statue of Jesus a while back?
20100705 21:51:56< Tomsik> Elvish_Pillager: what's that?
20100705 21:52:00< Valkier> There's so many lightenings in the sky!
20100705 21:52:02< Elvish_Pillager> That's obviously Zeus's doing
20100705 21:52:07< Tomsik> ZEUS POWAAAAAR
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20100705 21:52:16< Tomsik> He powers your laptop, so shut up dood
20100705 21:52:20< Valkier> Anyhow, Odin is the one true god.
20100705 21:52:23< Valkier> So shut up.
20100705 21:52:36< Tomsik> That's what she said.
20100705 21:52:42< Valkier> To you.
20100705 21:52:44< Valkier> So shut up.
20100705 21:52:51< Tomsik> Quoting what she told you
20100705 21:52:58< Valkier> I all ready beat you to that punch.
20100705 21:53:01< Valkier> GG, GTFO
20100705 21:53:07< Tomsik> No u
20100705 21:54:31< Tomsik> Valkier: Ask a Christian
20100705 21:54:35< Tomsik> "Do other gods exist?"
20100705 21:59:25< Aethaeryn> The answer is: "Yes, but they're all evil demons or something."
20100705 21:59:41< Aethaeryn> And I can find a Chick track to prove it. ;-)
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20100705 22:00:09< Tomsik> Then they're not gods, man
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20100705 22:03:51< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: so gods can't be evil and not-all-powerful?
20100705 22:04:18< Elvish_Pillager> Interesting question. At what point can humans be gods?
20100705 22:04:27< Tomsik> Not in classical sense Aethaeryn 
20100705 22:04:31 * Elvish_Pillager is writing a novel about that
20100705 22:04:58< Elvish_Pillager> The classical sense of gods? Like nature spirits that run around doing things to explain natural processes?
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20100705 22:05:44< Tomsik> yeah, that's okay, I think
20100705 22:06:07< Tomsik> Elvish_Pillager: humans can be gods to each other already
20100705 22:06:12< Elvish_Pillager> but then the main christian god isn't a god either, so your point...?
20100705 22:06:19< Tomsik> I mean, go with a helicopter and a computer to some forsaken jungle
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20100705 22:06:29< Tomsik> cargo cults and such
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20100705 22:14:30< Aethaeryn> Tomsik: That implies that being called a god makes you a god.
20100705 22:14:48< Aethaeryn> that's like saying if you call me a killer robot from 2800 I am one.
20100705 22:15:21< Tomsik> The thing is that notion of "god" is left for interpretation and you can't construct a good definition of it
20100705 22:15:43< Tomsik> because nobody really agrees with anybody what it means to be a god
20100705 22:16:17< shadowmaster> any sufficiently advanced being is a god to people
20100705 22:16:31< shadowmaster> if it isn't "perfect" however, it's just a false god
20100705 22:16:39< Aethaeryn> a god "to people"
20100705 22:16:40< shadowmaster> that's my opinion
20100705 22:16:48< Aethaeryn> that's the problem.
20100705 22:17:06< Aethaeryn> I could just have a very convincing Hollywood special effects team behind me... and make people think I'm that killer robot from 2800
20100705 22:17:10< Aethaeryn> When I'd really just be a cyborg.
20100705 22:18:04< Aethaeryn> And remember, when you need an operating system to trust with half your body, choose Linux.
20100705 22:18:10< Tomsik> no way
20100705 22:18:45< Tomsik> I'd chose Turing&Church™
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20100705 22:19:29< Elvish_Pillager> Pfft. Linux isn't an operating system. You can't get out of this dilemma by being broad: you must choose a distro to favor >D
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20100705 22:19:50< shadowmaster> you can just run the kernel with a few modules
20100705 22:20:04< shadowmaster> a cyborg would be an embedded system after all
20100705 22:20:15< Elvish_Pillager> unless it really does run an operating system
20100705 22:20:24< Elvish_Pillager> personally I think it should all be integrated with my brain
20100705 22:20:38< Elvish_Pillager> (yeah that's right, YOUR robot body should be integrated with MY brain)
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20100705 22:23:04< Tomsik> Well, I wouldn't run anything written in C in my brain
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20100705 22:30:29< ancestral> I would figure our brains are object-oriented :-P
20100705 22:31:50< Tomsik> no, they're functional
20100705 22:32:01< Tomsik> OO doesn't work well with concurrency
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20100705 22:33:50< Elvish_Pillager> You fools, our brains are the computing technology of the future: neural nets! =)
20100705 22:34:52< Tomsik> Neural nets are silly, they can't even answer question properly 100% of the time when they're programmed
20100705 22:35:10< Elvish_Pillager> neither can your computers: cosmic interference
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20100705 22:37:04< ancestral> Data is living proof
20100705 22:37:10< ancestral> Wait, he's not real
20100705 22:38:29< Tomsik> Elvish_Pillager: they can at least in theory
20100705 22:38:35< Tomsik> neural nets not so
20100705 22:38:52< Elvish_Pillager> I spit upon your theories!
20100705 22:39:41< Tomsik> I fart in your general direction!
20100705 22:39:57< ancestral> Imagine the amount of threading you'd need
20100705 22:40:16< Unnheulu> Ugh
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20100705 22:41:10< ancestral> Human memory is kind of like having a continually failing hard drive
20100705 22:41:51< ancestral> Sometimes you can access really old stuff, sometimes it takes a while, sometimes they get erased
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20100705 22:51:45< elvish_sovereign> artisticdude!
20100705 22:51:55< artisticdude> hello
20100705 22:52:03< elvish_sovereign> how's everything?
20100705 22:52:36< artisticdude> Everything's good at my end. How about you?
20100705 22:52:44< elvish_sovereign> yup its cool
20100705 22:52:56< elvish_sovereign> working on the next scenario in the campaign
20100705 22:53:26< artisticdude> elvish_sovereign: I was wondering if you had any particular vision of the 2 lvl 3 goblin units I'm working on? Specifically what (if any) armor they would wear?
20100705 22:53:48< elvish_sovereign> lvl 3?
20100705 22:53:54< elvish_sovereign> you mean the Marauder?
20100705 22:54:02< elvish_sovereign> the Pillager is mainline
20100705 22:54:45< artisticdude> I haven't checked the PM you sent me yet, so... but I thought I was supposed to be creating 2 lvl 3 goblins?
20100705 22:54:56< elvish_sovereign> ah
20100705 22:55:02< elvish_sovereign> lvl 0,1,and 2
20100705 22:55:09< Hulavuta> Hi
20100705 22:55:21< elvish_sovereign> one of the lvl 2 is the Goblin Pillager from mainline
20100705 22:55:31< artisticdude> Oh, okay. Sorry about that. Any preferences as to what he's wearing?
20100705 22:55:35< artisticdude> Hi Hulavuta.
20100705 22:55:47< elvish_sovereign> a fancier armor than his predecessor?
20100705 22:55:55< elvish_sovereign> i don;t really have a preference
20100705 22:56:03< elvish_sovereign> i trust your judgement
20100705 22:56:10< artisticdude> Ah, artistic license... XD
20100705 22:56:14< elvish_sovereign> seeing your previous sprites
20100705 22:56:16< elvish_sovereign> :D
20100705 22:56:24< elvish_sovereign> as a musician, i know what that means :)
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20100705 22:57:01 * artisticdude is not a very good musician, but knows what you mean
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20100705 22:58:18< artisticdude> I've been rather slow in the art dept. recently, mostly due to the Wesnoth Forum Faction Captain_Wrathbow and I are creating.
20100705 22:58:26< elvish_sovereign> :)
20100705 22:58:27< Hulavuta> I am a musician, but I don't write it
20100705 22:58:34< elvish_sovereign> it's gonna be awesome
20100705 22:58:44< Hulavuta> artisticdude: Any chance your RPG and/or Vix is going to come out soon?
20100705 22:59:36< ancestral> I need someone to help make fixes and changes in my era
20100705 22:59:44< artisticdude> My RPG is still very much a WIP, and Vix is lost somewhere among about fifty duplicate folders (system malfunction or something), and I have yet to find it.
20100705 23:00:37< artisticdude> But I've more or less gotten to the point where I can safely say that I've written a decent RPG system. I'll start working on the actual campaign within the next month or so.
20100705 23:00:57< Hulavuta> cool
20100705 23:01:31< artisticdude> Although I really wish Wesnoth had a native inventory interface.
20100705 23:01:50< ancestral> Hmmm
20100705 23:02:00< ancestral> Would be cool
20100705 23:02:09< elvish_sovereign> yup
20100705 23:02:16< artisticdude> The dialogue-box inventory lacks... professionalism.
20100705 23:02:30< artisticdude> And it's rather clumsy.
20100705 23:03:50< artisticdude> Although what I've decided to do is assign each item in the entire campaign a varaible, and check for that variable each time the inventory is opened. If the item is in your inventory and unused, the variable will =true and the item will appear in your inventory.
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20100705 23:04:41< elvish_sovereign> cool
20100705 23:05:11< artisticdude> There are more complicated ways that I've experimented with, but I think this one is the best. Originally I was going to assign each group a variable (so instead of having each healing potion have its own variable, I'd assign a general variable that could accommodate multiple healing potions in one variable).
20100705 23:05:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hiah
20100705 23:05:40< artisticdude> Sa!
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20100705 23:05:52< artisticdude> Oh, we're not doing karate?
20100705 23:05:56< artisticdude> :P
20100705 23:06:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> artisticdude, don't you think its more interesting to make your own actual games than coding some sort of stuff for wesnoth?
20100705 23:06:04< Unnheulu|Laptop> Heh ;)
20100705 23:06:12< Hulavuta> Wesnoth is more popular
20100705 23:06:16< Hulavuta> He'll get more publicity
20100705 23:06:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hulavuta, but making your own game is more fun
20100705 23:06:50< Hulavuta> Wesnoth is easier
20100705 23:07:01< artisticdude> Depends on what you mean. You mean creating an add-on versus doing something for mainline, or do you mean starting a separate project entirely?
20100705 23:07:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> Seperate project 
20100705 23:07:44< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100705 23:07:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> Then you get to learn about interesting stuff like blitting algorithms
20100705 23:07:57< Unnheulu|Laptop> And optimisations without breaking other stuff :)
20100705 23:08:08< Hulavuta> There's been so many DS's so fast, I'm having trouble remembering 
20100705 23:08:27< artisticdude> It would be more interesting and less restrictive to make your own project, I guess. I would if I could, but... I can't.
20100705 23:08:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> BS, anyone can
20100705 23:09:16 * artisticdude doesn't know how to code anything other than WML
20100705 23:09:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> artisticdude, back in '04 I didn't know anything other than bash ;)
20100705 23:10:48< artisticdude> Well, I'm looking into taking python as an elective next year, so perhaps I'll learn at some point... although I'd like to learn C++ (so I can modify Wesnoth how and where I want to)
20100705 23:11:06 * Unnheulu|Laptop can do both
20100705 23:11:18< Unnheulu|Laptop> Massively better at python though >.>
20100705 23:11:31< artisticdude> *artisticdude envys Unnheulu
20100705 23:11:49 * Hulavuta says just use /me instead of saying your name
20100705 23:12:04 * elvish_sovereign agress
20100705 23:12:11 * Unnheulu|Laptop points out to Hulavuta that he just coded that into xmoto network
20100705 23:12:19< artisticdude> Bad habit. I just learned the /me command last month
20100705 23:12:23< Hulavuta> lol
20100705 23:12:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> It got rejected, the lead dev said it has to be coded into the guy sending it
20100705 23:12:34< Hulavuta> I want to get WarioWare DiY
20100705 23:12:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> I coded into the guy recieving
20100705 23:12:46 * artisticdude knows this command
20100705 23:12:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> But the way he did it would stop it from working
20100705 23:13:02< Hulavuta> good thing my birthday is in 10 days
20100705 23:13:29< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hulavuta, your 14 then?
20100705 23:13:36< Hulavuta> yeh
20100705 23:13:37< artisticdude> I've been considering teaming up with a coder from opengameart to create a platformer (with him doing the coding and me doing the art & most of the sound), but I don't think it's going anywhere fast.
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20100705 23:14:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> Ooh
20100705 23:14:17 * Unnheulu|Laptop finds collision detection confusing
20100705 23:14:18< artisticdude> You're old enough to fence in the nationals, then. :P
20100705 23:14:36< Hulavuta> WarioWare DIY looks like an awesome game
20100705 23:14:42< Unnheulu|Laptop> I first tackled serious collision detection about...erm...2weeks ago
20100705 23:14:56 * artisticdude doesn't understand Unnheulu
20100705 23:15:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> artisticdude, like checking for collisions between the character guy and the tiles
20100705 23:15:37< artisticdude> Ah, gotcha. 
20100705 23:15:42< Hulavuta> You get to make your own games and shit
20100705 23:15:58< Unnheulu|Laptop> Anyways
20100705 23:16:02< Unnheulu|Laptop> G'night
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20100705 23:16:18< artisticdude> That OSARE RPG engine project is coming along really nicely. It looks very promising.
20100705 23:16:20< Hulavuta> Yaaaay
20100705 23:16:50 * artisticdude created some of the OSARE sound effects
20100705 23:17:44< artisticdude> Okay, so I'm biased, but I think this project is awesome. It's not another isometric JRPG. It's got rendered 3D graphics.
20100705 23:18:03< artisticdude> Which automatically makes it a winner for me. :P
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