--- Log opened Wed Jul 07 00:00:03 2010
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20100707 00:07:50< elvish_sovereign> hey
20100707 00:08:17< elvish_sovereign> question: I'm trying to make this sprite transparent, could anyone give me some times
20100707 00:08:22< elvish_sovereign> tips*
20100707 00:08:38< elvish_sovereign> as a total art noob, yes: I have GIMP 2.6
20100707 00:09:04< shadowmaster> shift+o
20100707 00:09:15< shadowmaster> click on the key color to make transparent
20100707 00:09:20< shadowmaster> press Delete
20100707 00:09:57< elvish_sovereign> nothings happening
20100707 00:09:58< elvish_sovereign> ]
20100707 00:10:27< elvish_sovereign> hmm
20100707 00:11:40< shadowmaster> maybe my explanation was a bit too sophisticated.
20100707 00:11:51< elvish_sovereign> haha
20100707 00:11:56< shadowmaster> do you need to learn, or you don't mind if I help you with the whole process?
20100707 00:11:58< elvish_sovereign> I'm totally new to this
20100707 00:12:12< elvish_sovereign> I think I should learn it so I can do it myself in the future
20100707 00:12:23< elvish_sovereign> so I don;t need to rely on someone
20100707 00:12:28< shadowmaster> it really also depends on the sprite too, since you really can't do the above if the bckground isn't a single color
20100707 00:12:48< shadowmaster> can I see the sprite?
20100707 00:13:18< elvish_sovereign> http://imagebin.org/104259
20100707 00:13:27< elvish_sovereign> I just need to remove the background
20100707 00:14:10< shadowmaster> when I said shift+o, I meant the hotkey for the Select-by-Color tool
20100707 00:14:16< elvish_sovereign> yeah
20100707 00:14:21< shadowmaster> one of the strengths of the GIMP for me is that I can do many operations without moving my mouse/touchpad
20100707 00:14:34< elvish_sovereign> mm-hmm
20100707 00:15:20< shadowmaster> after selecting all pixels of the same color you can remove them (Delete) and if the layer has an alpha channel, those selectedp ixels  will become transparent
20100707 00:15:36< shadowmaster> otherwise they'll become the background color (as in, the color you selected as background color in the toolbox)
20100707 00:15:51< elvish_sovereign> how do you 'select all the pixels'?
20100707 00:16:00< elvish_sovereign> by clicking on the background?
20100707 00:16:09< shadowmaster> by clicking on the color you want to select, yeah
20100707 00:16:10< elvish_sovereign> also, what is an 'alpha channel'?
20100707 00:16:12< elvish_sovereign> sorry
20100707 00:16:23< shadowmaster> on the image's view, not the palette
20100707 00:16:43< elvish_sovereign> nothing happened
20100707 00:16:46< shadowmaster> an alpha channel in general is a map of a bitmap's transparency.
20100707 00:16:57< shadowmaster> is Select-by-Color your current tool?
20100707 00:17:02< elvish_sovereign> yes
20100707 00:17:24< elvish_sovereign> there is a dotted line surrounding the borders and the sprite
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20100707 00:17:40< shadowmaster> so, what happens if you press Delete?
20100707 00:17:45< elvish_sovereign> clicked on the blue-ish color, clicked delete, and nothing happended
20100707 00:17:53< elvish_sovereign> happened*
20100707 00:18:01< shadowmaster> I mean the Delete key on your keyboard
20100707 00:18:10< elvish_sovereign> yeah
20100707 00:18:44< elvish_sovereign> nothings happening
20100707 00:19:07< shadowmaster> do you see "Add alpha channel" disabled if you go to Layer->Transparency in the menubar?
20100707 00:19:19< elvish_sovereign> no
20100707 00:19:26< elvish_sovereign> it's enabled
20100707 00:19:52< shadowmaster> okay, then click on it
20100707 00:20:15< elvish_sovereign> try again?
20100707 00:20:32< shadowmaster> yes
20100707 00:20:56< elvish_sovereign> nothing
20100707 00:21:39< elvish_sovereign> hmmm
20100707 00:21:41< shadowmaster> okay, I can't really think of what you could be doing wrong. This is GIMP 2.6, btw?
20100707 00:21:47< elvish_sovereign> yes
20100707 00:22:01< elvish_sovereign> on mac, if that helps
20100707 00:22:49< shadowmaster> oubtful
20100707 00:23:11< elvish_sovereign> hmmm
20100707 00:23:46< elvish_sovereign> argh
20100707 00:24:48< elvish_sovereign> ok i see
20100707 00:25:08< elvish_sovereign> the shortcut didn't work...I had to select it from the menu
20100707 00:25:17< elvish_sovereign> on it's working, thanks!
20100707 00:25:51< elvish_sovereign> but the thing is, now there is a strange whiteish think that makes it look like it's glowing
20100707 00:26:24< shadowmaster> what shortcut?
20100707 00:26:31< elvish_sovereign> 'Delete"
20100707 00:26:36< elvish_sovereign> had to select from menu
20100707 00:26:40< shadowmaster> that's odd
20100707 00:26:55< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: the whiteish thing might be caused by an antialiased selection.
20100707 00:27:03< elvish_sovereign> so...
20100707 00:27:14< elvish_sovereign> what do i do about it?
20100707 00:27:21< elvish_sovereign> sorry for being sorta stupid
20100707 00:27:32< shadowmaster> try undoing stuff and then disable the antialiasing checkbox in the tool properties panel for Select-by-Color
20100707 00:27:49< shadowmaster> and then try selecting again
20100707 00:28:00< shadowmaster> also make sure feather edges is disabed
20100707 00:28:43< elvish_sovereign> yay!
20100707 00:28:44< elvish_sovereign> worked
20100707 00:28:48< elvish_sovereign> thanks soo much!
20100707 00:28:57< elvish_sovereign> now i know how to do it
20100707 00:28:58< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: oh, you mean my comment on #wesnoth-umcdev? it was directed at Blueblaze, sorry
20100707 00:29:07< shadowmaster> *#wesnoth-umc-dev
20100707 00:29:27< elvish_sovereign> what comment?
20100707 00:29:39< shadowmaster> never mind then :p
20100707 00:33:00< Blueblaze> everything hateful of shadowmaster's is directed at me :p
20100707 00:33:55< shadowmaster> <3
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20100707 03:18:57< elvish_sovereign> hey
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20100707 03:21:00< elvish_sovereign> being art noob, could someone kindly help me resize this sprite to 72x72? A fix the weird shadow? thanks so much!
20100707 03:21:01< elvish_sovereign> http://imagebin.org/104282
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20100707 03:21:16< elvish_sovereign> and fix*
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20100707 08:58:58< Unnheulu> Wow, nice link noy
20100707 08:59:02< Unnheulu> (In technical support)
20100707 09:11:17< Unnheulu> Two people against me making a new campgen now
20100707 09:11:27< Unnheulu> Don't know anyone for :D
20100707 09:12:02< Unnheulu> Ah wellz
20100707 09:12:10< Unnheulu> elias, how does campgen find the wesnoth data files?
20100707 09:12:17< Unnheulu> There are loads of places it could be
20100707 09:13:41< Espreon> ... and you have three.
20100707 09:13:56< Unnheulu> Against? :D
20100707 09:14:41< Unnheulu> Hmm...Hulavuta, Espreon and Anonymissius all against...why does no-one support the idea? :(
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20100707 09:15:27< Unnheulu> Anyways I'll be making it for 1.9 not 1.8
20100707 09:15:34< Unnheulu> Does that cheer you up?
20100707 09:15:55< Unnheulu> Because then its just the dev version that gets spammed up
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20100707 09:18:42< Espreon> ... but noöne cares about 1.8.
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20100707 12:53:42< Jarkko> Hello.
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20100707 14:56:48< Ivanovic> moin
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20100707 15:23:43< Hulavuta> Hello
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20100707 15:44:18< Hulavuta> Avatar or Terminator?
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20100707 16:05:45< e_s-iOS> Hi
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20100707 16:10:49< Tomsik> Terminator, Avatar is ghey
20100707 16:11:14< Tomsik> BTW, lately I've seen Avatar in the "Thriller/Horror" shelf in a store
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20100707 17:33:08< elias> Unnheulu: it asked you on first startup
20100707 17:33:57< elias> afterwards i think you could change it in the settings dialog
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20100707 18:39:50< Unnheulu> Hmm
20100707 18:40:03< Unnheulu> When I last tried I don't recall seeing it on first startup
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20100707 18:48:42< elias> anyway, it wants wesnoth 1.0 or so datafiles
20100707 18:48:49< elias> so you won't have much luck trying to run it :P
20100707 18:48:53< Unnheulu> =]
20100707 18:49:16< Unnheulu> Anyways, thanks
20100707 18:55:53 * Unnheulu thinks elvish_sovereign and captain_wrathbone want to be mods
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20100707 18:58:07< Valkier> I bring you pestilence and fear!
20100707 19:00:43< Blarumyrran> She doesn't look _that_ ugly...
20100707 19:01:37< Valkier> lol
20100707 19:01:48< Valkier> Everybody's a critic.
20100707 19:01:52< Zerovirus> Yup
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20100707 19:02:25< Gambit> lol 4th person videogame
20100707 19:02:39< Gambit> "The entire game is played from the perspective of someone looking at the camera looking at the player"
20100707 19:02:47< Gambit> "Most of the time, the player won't even be visible."
20100707 19:03:08< Valkier> ...
20100707 19:03:24< Valkier> So we need to make Wesnoth 2 a 5th person game.
20100707 19:03:51< Gambit> I wonder what that would be...
20100707 19:04:17< Gambit> The only real video game perspectives are 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and top down.
20100707 19:04:23< Gambit> And 2nd was only used like once.
20100707 19:04:32< Valkier> You watch someone watch the player play a game.
20100707 19:04:33< Gambit> (That I know of)
20100707 19:04:40< Unnheulu> Perspective of someone looking at the person looking at the camera looking at the player
20100707 19:04:42< Zerovirus> What the heck would 5th person be?
20100707 19:04:56< Zerovirus> ...Okay that hurts my brain
20100707 19:05:39< Gambit> according to wikipedia other languages have 4th and 5th person pronouns.
20100707 19:06:01< Valkier> Ugh. I really need to finish this up.
20100707 19:06:11< Blarumyrran> Gambit, what's the difference from 3th person?
20100707 19:06:18< Blarumyrran> 3rd*
20100707 19:06:48< Gambit> Blarumyrran: "Such terms are not absolute but can refer depending on context to any of several phenomena."
20100707 19:07:24< Blarumyrran> That there is a security camera present in each room which is not the camera through which the player views the game?
20100707 19:07:39< Gambit> What about a two player coop second person game where you look from each other's perspectives.
20100707 19:08:04< Gambit> That'd be... not fun at all. :D
20100707 19:08:09< Zerovirus> You know, these ideas sound fascinating
20100707 19:08:13< Zerovirus> but most games are made boring
20100707 19:08:23< Zerovirus> because they're designed for people who are less intelligent than designers :P
20100707 19:08:26< Gambit> The current game formula works.
20100707 19:08:43< Valkier> An FPS are you tell someone how to control an army.
20100707 19:08:45< Gambit> People need to stop trying to innovate how we play, and worry about what we play.
20100707 19:08:48< Blarumyrran> All games are designed people who are less intelligent than designers
20100707 19:08:53< Blarumyrran> +for*
20100707 19:09:02< Gambit> controllers are good
20100707 19:09:04< Gambit> 2D is fine
20100707 19:09:06< Zerovirus> I always thought a FPS-RTS would be cool
20100707 19:09:09< Gambit> (until we have holodecks)
20100707 19:09:10< Zerovirus> where one player gives directions as a commander
20100707 19:09:15< Zerovirus> and every other player shoots the enemies
20100707 19:09:15< Blarumyrran> Zerovirus, has been done
20100707 19:09:16< Gambit> Zerovirus: They have such games already.
20100707 19:09:19< Zerovirus> Dammit.
20100707 19:09:27< Zerovirus> Well, on how large a scale?
20100707 19:09:34< Zerovirus> Because I was thinking something like MMORPG scale :P
20100707 19:09:37< Gambit> Zerovirus: 32v32 is the largest I'm aware of.
20100707 19:09:53< Gambit> Unless you count MAG
20100707 19:09:54< Zerovirus> I was thinking World of Warcraft where the Alliance actually -fights- the Horde.
20100707 19:10:01< Blarumyrran> Doesn't it?
20100707 19:10:08< Zerovirus> Not as much as it could I think
20100707 19:10:09< Blarumyrran> I thought that was the whole purpose of the game
20100707 19:10:12< Zerovirus> I wouldn't know, I don't play WOW
20100707 19:10:17< Zerovirus> No, the point is to GRIND
20100707 19:10:19< Zerovirus> and LEVEL UP
20100707 19:10:21< Blarumyrran> I haven't tried it either
20100707 19:10:22< Zerovirus> and WASTE TIME
20100707 19:10:37< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Well afaik the guy at the top of the game in MAG has about as much control over things as you do natural disasters.
20100707 19:11:06< Gambit> but yeah if you count MAG then 128vs128 is the largest.
20100707 19:11:08< Blarumyrran> What does MAG stand for?
20100707 19:11:14< Gambit> massive action game
20100707 19:11:24< Zerovirus> Mega Awesome Game
20100707 19:11:25< Blarumyrran> ... that's an actual name of a game?
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20100707 19:11:31< Gambit> it has two gimmicks. 1. The fact that it's a console game that can fit 256 people in a server
20100707 19:11:54< Gambit> 2. The fact that your rank actually means something because (in theory) you can order other players around and people are divided squads, platoons, etc
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20100707 19:35:14< Valkier> Zerovirus: When I played WoW we had full scale wars agains the alliance.
20100707 19:35:25< Zerovirus> Yes, but not organized, was it/
20100707 19:35:36< Zerovirus> Not really integrated leadership rules and stuff
20100707 19:35:40< Valkier> Zerovirus: yOU'D BE SURPRISED. wE RAIDED EACH OTHERS CAPITALS.
20100707 19:35:42< Zerovirus> Just some high level dudes yelling out stuff on chat
20100707 19:35:54< Valkier> Guilds would organize the whole thing.
20100707 19:36:05< Zerovirus> Yeah, but the game has no programmed-in interface for command
20100707 19:36:07< Valkier> But Blizzard screwed it up.
20100707 19:36:08< Zerovirus> Nothing like a RTS might have
20100707 19:36:18< Valkier> Starting making cities where horde and alliance didn't fight.
20100707 19:36:46< Valkier> I wouldn't be surprised if they make it so everyone could understand each other.
20100707 19:41:59< Blarumyrran> Zerovirus, why would anyone want to be a grunt then?
20100707 19:42:12< Zerovirus> Because grunts get to actually shoot people
20100707 19:42:21< Zerovirus> Because grunts get to play high-action adrenaline FPS
20100707 19:42:29< Zerovirus> The leader's more of a tactics dude
20100707 19:42:31< Blarumyrran> You don't get to shoot people the way you want
20100707 19:42:50< Zerovirus> I was thinking something more like Wesnoth
20100707 19:42:55< Blarumyrran> ... uh?
20100707 19:42:56< Zerovirus> The player chooses which unit you attack
20100707 19:43:03< Zerovirus> But the fighting players actually do the attacking
20100707 19:43:14< Zerovirus> Each battle would be a separately random-generated map
20100707 19:43:30< Zerovirus> Based on the terrain, you'd have different types of maps and stuff
20100707 19:43:30< Blarumyrran> So, only oneonone battles?
20100707 19:43:40< Blarumyrran> Grunts couldn't move about by themselves because some Boss guy says where they go?
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20100707 19:44:28< Zerovirus> Not one on one
20100707 19:44:32< Zerovirus> Squads versus squads
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20100707 19:44:38< VurtualRuler98> Grunts don't get the ambrosia vaccine.
20100707 19:44:38< Zerovirus> Based on the strength of your squad as you assess it
20100707 19:44:41< Zerovirus> you attack other squads
20100707 19:45:01< Zerovirus> Like wesnoth, but the leader has to assess unit strengths and weaknesses instead of having it delivered to him in a nice neat HUD
20100707 19:45:16< Zerovirus> So you could send a sniper squad up against someone else
20100707 19:45:19< Zerovirus> or something like that
20100707 19:45:28< Blarumyrran> I don't understand what you say,
20100707 19:45:37< Zerovirus> Aaagh this works in my head
20100707 19:45:38< Blarumyrran> mainly because of the abundance of "you"
20100707 19:45:40< Zerovirus> but it's hard to explain
20100707 19:45:47< Blarumyrran> Is "you" a grunt or a boss?
20100707 19:46:02< Zerovirus> "you" is the leader of the army
20100707 19:46:13< Blarumyrran> Yes. You see, I was speaking of grunts.
20100707 19:46:20< Zerovirus> Oh come on
20100707 19:46:32< Zerovirus> The thing is, for grunts, it'd be like playing any map in, say, COD4.
20100707 19:46:37< Zerovirus> The maps are randomly generated
20100707 19:46:44< Zerovirus> and the squads can attack however they want on the maps
20100707 19:46:52< Zerovirus> The overworld map is what the leader watches
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20100707 19:47:13< Blarumyrran> Zerovirus, so the Leader could only control which squad would your squad attack, and give no specific orders?
20100707 19:47:17< Zerovirus> Yup
20100707 19:47:19< Zerovirus> Pretty much
20100707 19:47:30< Blarumyrran> That would require a whole lot of squads
20100707 19:47:30< Zerovirus> Like in wesnoth, you can only tell a unit to attack another unit, you have no control over how well it does
20100707 19:47:33< Zerovirus> Yup
20100707 19:47:39< Zerovirus> I was thinking maybe 3 or 4 players per squad
20100707 19:47:46< Zerovirus> And maybe 5 squads to a team
20100707 19:47:55< Zerovirus> Perhaps more if a server can hold the player load like with MAG
20100707 19:48:01< Blarumyrran> Zerovirus, so the leader makes about 4 decisions during the entire game?
20100707 19:48:12< Zerovirus> I'm not too sure on that part
20100707 19:48:12< VurtualRuler98> Zerovirus is not a military commander.
20100707 19:48:15< VurtualRuler98> Do not listen to theeem.
20100707 19:48:21< Zerovirus> Oh gee thanks :P
20100707 19:48:31< Zerovirus> And in any case I'm making this up on the spot, soooo.
20100707 19:49:21< Blarumyrran> Zerovirus, so essentially a guy hosting a FPS map is a Leader?
20100707 19:49:32< Blarumyrran> As he chooses how the squads are formed that will fight, and where
20100707 19:49:38< Zerovirus> Kind of
20100707 19:49:44< Blarumyrran> That's a pretty dull game for him
20100707 19:49:44< Zerovirus> What I had originally envisioned was like dozens of squads
20100707 19:49:49< Zerovirus> But that might be a bit too much
20100707 19:49:54< Blarumyrran> A guy who hosts dozens of maps
20100707 19:50:10< Zerovirus> Shrug
20100707 19:50:20< Zerovirus> Like I said I haven't really thought about any of the problems with this idea
20100707 19:50:23< VurtualRuler98> Video games about one commander/a bunch of grunts suck
20100707 19:50:25< Zerovirus> because it's not like I'll ever make this game
20100707 19:50:31< VurtualRuler98> people mostly play the hidden on commanderless-version servers
20100707 19:53:32< Blarumyrran> Zerovirus, I was just making arguments up on the spot as well. I have never played a multiplayer FPS game.
20100707 19:54:10< Blarumyrran> (or multiplayer RTS game)
20100707 19:56:04< Zerovirus> Eh, I don't really like FPSes much
20100707 19:56:16< Zerovirus> I can never respond quickly enough or see my enemies accurately enough
20100707 20:01:28< zookeeper> i like multiplayer FPSs except for the amount of twitch skill that's usually always necessary
20100707 20:02:04< Gambit> Zerovirus: You have to play more.
20100707 20:02:23< Zerovirus> Eh, my own poor vision prevents me from enjoying it
20100707 20:02:23< zookeeper> meaning that i suppose i like team-based FPSs most, although i've really only played enemy territory
20100707 20:02:31< Zerovirus> I get carsick when I play too much, strangely
20100707 20:03:43< Gambit> The main thing with FPS's is knowing the maps.
20100707 20:03:52< Gambit> Navigation = evasion = staying alive
20100707 20:03:56< Gambit> living > aim
20100707 20:04:26< Zerovirus> wesnoth > nausea
20100707 20:04:32< Gambit> Live long enough and you'll snag some kills through pure luck. Deaths are very bad for your team.
20100707 20:04:53< Zerovirus> Somehow I get the feeling Gambit isn't any expert either
20100707 20:04:57< Gambit> 8-0 or 8-1 is way better than something like 16-15 or 16-16
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20100707 20:05:13< PedroLlorensG> Hi guys...
20100707 20:05:30< PedroLlorensG> I'm bored here in school...
20100707 20:06:01< PedroLlorensG> noone arroun?
20100707 20:06:05< PedroLlorensG> d*
20100707 20:06:08< Zerovirus> I'm here
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20100707 20:06:14< Zerovirus> Though I have no idea who you are >.>
20100707 20:06:14< Gambit> You also can't learn aim if you're always at the respawn screen. :P
20100707 20:06:15< PedroLlorensG> Hi, Zerovirus 
20100707 20:06:21< Gambit> Pedro = Pete
20100707 20:06:25< PedroLlorensG> Hi Gambit
20100707 20:06:31< PedroLlorensG> oh, yeah... sorry
20100707 20:06:37< Zerovirus> Well, I still like Wesnoth better
20100707 20:06:37-!- PedroLlorensG is now known as PetePorty
20100707 20:06:37< Gambit> PedroLlorensG: I worked on my plot in that server. :D
20100707 20:06:41< Zerovirus> Less chance of me throwing up
20100707 20:06:45< PetePorty> O.o
20100707 20:06:48< zookeeper> Gambit, i prefer to use my map knowledge to find the best camping spots
20100707 20:06:57< Gambit> zookeeper: haha
20100707 20:07:09< PetePorty> damn... short reases or whatever its called is over...
20100707 20:07:14< zookeeper> Gambit, most of the time i play an mg42 gunner in ET, so...
20100707 20:07:14< [Relic]> Hello :)
20100707 20:07:28< PetePorty> I don't wanna leave...
20100707 20:07:33< PetePorty> I have ar class....
20100707 20:07:40< PetePorty> art*
20100707 20:07:48< PetePorty> damn school keyboard....
20100707 20:07:48< zookeeper> actually i've been playing mg42 most of the time for...uh, i don't know. 4-5 years?
20100707 20:07:51< Zerovirus> WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE
20100707 20:07:54< Zerovirus> IF YOU HAVE ART CLASS
20100707 20:07:59< Zerovirus> THEN GOD, GO DO ART
20100707 20:08:04< Gambit> Well camping, quick exits, and flanking. They all come down to map knowledge. It'd also probably help the motion sickness to be well oriented.
20100707 20:08:06< PetePorty> ...chatting?
20100707 20:08:14< Zerovirus> ART IS MORE IMPORTANT :D
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20100707 20:08:20< PetePorty> No, it is not.
20100707 20:08:25< Zerovirus> ... >.>
20100707 20:08:29< PetePorty> we don't do art in art class...
20100707 20:08:33< Zerovirus> You just lost major cool points.
20100707 20:08:37< Zerovirus> Your school also.
20100707 20:08:38< PetePorty> we do crap with a pencil and call it 'art'
20100707 20:08:58< PetePorty> damn... now I really ogtta go... c ya
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20100707 20:09:08< Gambit> (to the bathroom)
20100707 20:09:34< Zerovirus> yup he got caught
20100707 20:09:46< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 20:09:49< e_s-iOS> Hi guys
20100707 20:11:00< e_s-iOS> Zerovirus: Btw awesome UtBS sprites
20100707 20:11:07< Zerovirus> Thank you
20100707 20:11:16< e_s-iOS> As I said before, it will soothe my anger towards that campaign
20100707 20:11:19< e_s-iOS> :p
20100707 20:12:23< e_s-iOS> Btw, why the heck does petey have school now?
20100707 20:12:33< Zerovirus> He has art class.
20100707 20:12:40< Zerovirus> Why shouldn't a man have art class?
20100707 20:12:44< e_s-iOS> I kno
20100707 20:12:53< e_s-iOS> But, in the middle of the summer?
20100707 20:13:02< e_s-iOS> He can do art himself
20100707 20:13:11< e_s-iOS> Like...uh...me
20100707 20:13:47 * e_s-iOS is trying to tinker with pixel art....
20100707 20:14:21 * e_s-iOS so he wouldn't be such an art noob.
20100707 20:15:27< Gambit> I bought some CD-RW's. Time to give fedora a shot
20100707 20:15:44< e_s-iOS> Cool
20100707 20:16:29< e_s-iOS> I tried dual booting Linux on my Mac before, but I then and still now didn't get terminal, so
20100707 20:16:32< Gambit> And since they're RW I have infinite chances. Though if fedora doesnt' save this box then I'm not sure what distro to try next.
20100707 20:17:01< Gambit> But it's taking up valuable floor space and has no functional OS :(
20100707 20:17:02< e_s-iOS> I have Windows though, working
20100707 20:17:37< e_s-iOS> What, me dual booting or fedora?
20100707 20:18:09< Gambit> Wha?
20100707 20:18:20< e_s-iOS> Your previous comment
20100707 20:18:32< Gambit> Oh. I have this ancient compaq here with no working OS on it.
20100707 20:18:38< e_s-iOS> Haha
20100707 20:19:02< e_s-iOS> So you're gonna try to run fedora on that?
20100707 20:19:26< Gambit> ME boots to black screen in safe mode. 98 won't install. Ubuntu graphical installer won't work. Text installer is black screen. Feather linux = black screen. And it won't boot from usb and I had no CDs (until today)
20100707 20:19:29< Gambit> e_s-iOS: Yes
20100707 20:19:50< e_s-iOS> :D
20100707 20:19:55< sevis> Gambit: Arch Linux, perhaps?
20100707 20:20:27 * Gambit googles
20100707 20:22:30< Hulavuta> Hi
20100707 20:22:36< e_s-iOS> Hi
20100707 20:22:37< sevis> Hello.
20100707 20:24:22< sevis> Argh. This is the last project I ever do alone. x.x
20100707 20:24:31< Gambit> Hmm arch linux sounds better anyways
20100707 20:24:33< Gambit> lower requirements
20100707 20:24:56< Gambit> But how difficult is it to set up and use?
20100707 20:25:30< sevis> Dunno, never used it.
20100707 20:25:45< Gambit> eww torrent download :(
20100707 20:26:42< Gambit> nvm
20100707 20:28:04< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 20:28:16< e_s-iOS> Hulavuta: Working on FtGJ?
20100707 20:28:24< e_s-iOS> Or TSC?
20100707 20:28:34< e_s-iOS> Or eating?
20100707 20:28:54< Gambit> today'
20100707 20:29:04< Gambit> GRR SHIFT AND ENTRY KEY BEING RIGHT NEAR EACH OTHER
20100707 20:29:09< Gambit> today's xkcd is awesome.
20100707 20:29:23< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 20:29:23< Gambit> Actually the panel is funny.
20100707 20:29:29< e_s-iOS> Link it?
20100707 20:29:31< Gambit> The joke he tries to make at the bottom... not so much.
20100707 20:29:32< e_s-iOS> Thx
20100707 20:29:40< Gambit> http://xkcd.com/
20100707 20:29:49< e_s-iOS> Ahh oops
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20100707 20:30:35< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 20:30:51< bryans> Is this an LFG channel for Wesnoth too?
20100707 20:31:05< e_s-iOS> Wha?
20100707 20:31:06< Gambit> A wha?
20100707 20:31:09< bryans> looking for game
20100707 20:31:15< VurtualRuler98> game/group/gun
20100707 20:31:20< VurtualRuler98> /granola bars
20100707 20:31:28< Blarumyrran> Luftfahrzeug Gesellschaft, a German aircraft manufacturer of World War I, known primarily for their "Roland" designs?
20100707 20:31:33< e_s-iOS> I almost though lost forgotten channel
20100707 20:31:55< e_s-iOS> I mean, lost forgotten group channel
20100707 20:31:57< Gambit> bryans: Well the lobby is a better place for that
20100707 20:32:09< bryans> No one's in the Debian lobby at the moment.
20100707 20:32:12< Gambit> But yeah we setup games here (occasionally)
20100707 20:32:26< Gambit> bryans: And you're banned from the official one?
20100707 20:32:35< bryans> Nah, it won't let me on due to version mismathc
20100707 20:32:41< bryans> (I'm using the one in Debian Lenny, 1.4.4)
20100707 20:32:44< Gambit> Ah.
20100707 20:32:50< e_s-iOS> Get 1.8
20100707 20:33:01< Gambit> e_s-iOS: Well some older computers can't run 1.6+
20100707 20:33:10< e_s-iOS> True
20100707 20:33:17< bryans> What, did the system requirements go way up for 1.6?
20100707 20:34:14< Hulavuta> no 
20100707 20:34:15< Hulavuta> yes
20100707 20:34:33< Gambit> So people with older computers say.
20100707 20:34:45< Hulavuta> My computer's not old
20100707 20:34:49< Gambit> (I can't imagine any other reason to use 1.4.x)
20100707 20:35:14< e_s-iOS> Gambit: Gigantic download?
20100707 20:35:27< Gambit> e_s-iOS: They downloaded 1.4.x :P
20100707 20:35:45< e_s-iOS> But they didn't want to download that huger file again
20100707 20:36:02< Gambit> So they can't do one "huge" download a year?
20100707 20:36:04< bryans> Apparently 1.8 is packaged in lenny's backports, I'm trying that now before I compile it myself.
20100707 20:36:14< e_s-iOS> Cool
20100707 20:36:17< Gambit> (~300mb isn't huge though)
20100707 20:36:26< e_s-iOS> So one people though
20100707 20:36:29< e_s-iOS> For*
20100707 20:36:38< e_s-iOS> Argh, I hate the apple spellchecker
20100707 20:37:25< Gambit> [insert biased mostly untrue apple joke]
20100707 20:37:41< e_s-iOS> Still, I like apple though
20100707 20:38:05< e_s-iOS> I've had bad memories with windows, sorry Gambit 
20100707 20:38:35 * Gambit hasn't ever BSOD'd or lost files or anything on Vista.
20100707 20:38:48< e_s-iOS> Nah, this was before
20100707 20:39:11< e_s-iOS> Back in the 2000 and early XP days
20100707 20:39:14< Blarumyrran> I hit my computers a couple of times so the screen went black a few times, with opensuse
20100707 20:39:23< Gambit> In fact the annual OS reinstall this year wasn't even a necessity. I just felt like it.
20100707 20:39:27< Blarumyrran> Nothing like that with Windows
20100707 20:39:36< Hulavuta> I use Vista too
20100707 20:39:39< Hulavuta> It sucks a butt
20100707 20:39:40< Hulavuta> nah jk
20100707 20:39:50< Gambit> Hulavuta: Give it more throttle!
20100707 20:39:54< Blarumyrran> Hulavuta, did you try to be funny?
20100707 20:39:57< Gambit> s/throttle/memory/
20100707 20:40:11< e_s-iOS> Where's Blueblaze and ancestral?
20100707 20:40:14< Gambit> With 8gb of ram it's an excellent operating system. :P
20100707 20:40:19< Hulavuta> Blarumyrran: No
20100707 20:40:20< e_s-iOS> I need my mac support!
20100707 20:40:25< Hulavuta> I'm undecided
20100707 20:40:32< Hulavuta> And lazy
20100707 20:40:38< Blarumyrran> Oh.
20100707 20:40:41< Gambit> [insert joke about mac customers calling me for technical support]
20100707 20:40:47< Hulavuta> I'm not thinking straight or typing straight nontheless right now
20100707 20:40:48< Gambit> no. Actually the mac customers were smart...
20100707 20:40:51< Hulavuta> I have no idea what I'm saying
20100707 20:40:52< Gambit> XD
20100707 20:40:55< Hulavuta> So it's best to ignore me
20100707 20:40:59< Hulavuta> I'm going to go watch Star Wars
20100707 20:41:01< bryans> Vista: Runs great -- on a cray!
20100707 20:41:04< Gambit> We only had one mac in the office.
20100707 20:41:11< Gambit> And only one mac expert.
20100707 20:41:14< e_s-iOS> Darn
20100707 20:41:20< e_s-iOS> Where'd all the macs go?
20100707 20:41:28< Gambit> Luckily we'd only get two mac calls a day max.
20100707 20:41:29< bryans> I remember when people were neeping and whining and moaning about XP, and how they were staying with 98 (for most), or 2k (for those with access to such)
20100707 20:41:32< Gambit> Ussually more like zero.
20100707 20:41:55< Blarumyrran> We have a couple of 64bit Vistas in the office, but mxmlc won't work on them
20100707 20:42:04< Blarumyrran> Now, the situations gives me a choice
20100707 20:42:13< Blarumyrran> should i be sensible, and blame 64b,
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20100707 20:42:24< Blarumyrran> or should have fun, and blame vista
20100707 20:42:29< Blarumyrran> I love such situations
20100707 20:43:21< Gambit> I never had a linux customer.
20100707 20:43:24< Hulavuta> Do you guys plan to get StarCraft 2?
20100707 20:43:29< e_s-iOS> No
20100707 20:43:31< Gambit> Does that speak to the intelligence of linux users?
20100707 20:43:38< Gambit> Or to their rarity?
20100707 20:43:50< Blarumyrran> Or their voice phone support?
20100707 20:48:21< e_s-iOS> http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=30678
20100707 20:48:30< e_s-iOS> I really don't like people like this
20100707 20:53:11< e_s-iOS> Ok, gotta disconnect for a sec
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20100707 20:54:53< [Relic]> or the fact that your avg linux user can put together their own system and set it up?  :)
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20100707 20:59:50< VurtualRuler98> Your average linux user is an ubuntu user
20100707 20:59:58< VurtualRuler98> who never "learned" anything, because of google.
20100707 21:01:55< elias> i wonder if that makes me an average linux user
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20100707 21:05:55< bryans> I've had a few people who wanted "Something other than Windows" put on used machines I've sold 'em.
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20100707 21:16:09< elias> OSX?
20100707 21:17:23< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Google? Do not underestimate the power of IRC.
20100707 21:17:47< Aethaeryn> [Relic]: Note that "put together their own system" can be in a literal sense.
20100707 21:18:12< VurtualRuler98> Want me to direct all my linux issues here then huh!?
20100707 21:18:19< VurtualRuler98> People go insane from answering so many.
20100707 21:18:22< VurtualRuler98> While google has them all.
20100707 21:18:34< Aethaeryn> I built my desktop, in part to dodge the M$ tax, in part to get a better computer than my budget would have allowed (few hundred savings, including using Fedora 13 Pro Ultimate Plus)
20100707 21:18:55< VurtualRuler98> Aethaeryn is no longer cool
20100707 21:18:57< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: there are designated channels.
20100707 21:19:00< VurtualRuler98> They have lost all their positive cool points
20100707 21:19:10< VurtualRuler98> and the desegnated channels would go insane too, if we didn't google.
20100707 21:19:34< Aethaeryn> We would like to point out that Google screwed up our ssh on one machine and IRC got the other machine's ssh working.
20100707 21:19:45< Aethaeryn> So sometimes it's just a tad bit too obscure for Google to work properly.
20100707 21:19:50< VurtualRuler98> Raise your googling level.
20100707 21:19:53< Aethaeryn> Though "zomg zomg zomg my wifi/graphics doesn't work!" might be common
20100707 21:21:22< VurtualRuler98> Also linux isn't hacker heaven anyways, which means their whole advertising scheme is lies
20100707 21:21:28< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: clearly you've never had an install/whatever gone wrong. Once something breaks in one of its million unique ways, it's best to step-by-step troubleshoot through IRC when someone can tell you to do Y if X fails/works.
20100707 21:21:35< VurtualRuler98> Either that, or in the time of Deus Ex, they all use linux, which would be silly.
20100707 21:21:50< Aethaeryn> Also, as much as a Google fanboy I am with a Nexus One phone and all, I know when to Google, when to Wikipedia, and when to IRC.
20100707 21:22:30< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: wrong kind of "hacker"
20100707 21:22:47< Aethaeryn> http://www.catb.org/~esr/
20100707 21:22:51< VurtualRuler98> Real hackers reprogram war machines.
20100707 21:22:53< Aethaeryn> read all his stuff to understand the "old school" definition.
20100707 21:23:04< VurtualRuler98> and have senses of humor
20100707 21:23:08< Aethaeryn> the real meaning before it got hijacked by the mainstream media to mean something else.
20100707 21:23:36< Aethaeryn> I feel sorry for all those who watch Fox News. The fact that *everyone* uses the word "hacker" wrong is clear evidence that the media *can* subtly brainwash people
20100707 21:23:55< Blarumyrran> Like someone, mayber esr himself, said - hacking does also mean hacking as in, hacking wood and otherwise doing brutal things
20100707 21:24:05< Blarumyrran> So it's not completely arbitrary
20100707 21:24:18< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
20100707 21:24:41< VurtualRuler98> Yes, one joke means I must be lectured and "brought to the light" of your preferred usages
20100707 21:24:50< Aethaeryn> Of course.
20100707 21:24:53< Aethaeryn> This is the fucking Internet.
20100707 21:24:55< Aethaeryn> What do you expect?
20100707 21:25:21< VurtualRuler98> that we're beyond the hacker/cracker definition
20100707 21:25:25< Aethaeryn> Wait until you say just "Linux" in front of a FSF person
20100707 21:25:51< VurtualRuler98> and are entirely willing to realize our ability to get ubuntu working can also be applied, without further experimentation, to making it not work.
20100707 21:26:09< Aethaeryn> Every CD of Ubuntu should be shredded.
20100707 21:26:11< VurtualRuler98> And our knowledge of how things do/don't work lets us use them more easily.
20100707 21:26:13< Aethaeryn> Or blended. That'd be cooler.
20100707 21:26:22< Valkier> TEH HAXXORZ ARE STEALING MY MEGAHURTZ!
20100707 21:26:26< Valkier> NOOOOOOOOO!
20100707 21:26:29< VurtualRuler98> the only CD I'd even remotely allow you to blend/shred is the one that didn't burn properly
20100707 21:26:29< Aethaeryn> Ubuntu is dumbed down Linux.
20100707 21:26:33< VurtualRuler98> and I'm keeping it as a computer-destroyer
20100707 21:26:39< VurtualRuler98> oh no people can use it
20100707 21:26:41< VurtualRuler98> HOW DARE THEY
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20100707 21:26:49< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: Dumbed down too far...
20100707 21:26:54< Aethaeryn> Any major distro is usable...
20100707 21:26:54< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, I just joined #fsf and said Linux
20100707 21:26:55< VurtualRuler98> Oh noooo
20100707 21:26:58< Aethaeryn> Like Fedora or Suse
20100707 21:26:58< VurtualRuler98> It's deeebiaaaaaan
20100707 21:27:00< Blarumyrran> Waiting for response as of now
20100707 21:27:06< VurtualRuler98> But more popuuuuular
20100707 21:27:07< Blarumyrran> 77 people there
20100707 21:27:14< VurtualRuler98> I must screeaaaam at theeeeeem
20100707 21:27:30< VurtualRuler98> Blarumyrran, wear an HEV suit first.
20100707 21:27:31< Valkier> NO HAXXORZ! NOT MY INTERWEBS!
20100707 21:27:31< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: just Linux or did you make it part of a phrase where it might be an accident?
20100707 21:27:50< Blarumyrran> Aethaeryn, * Vestled nüüd kanalis #fsf
20100707 21:27:50< Blarumyrran> * Kanali #fsf teema on: Free Software Foundation | http://patentabsurdity.com/ | http://member.fsf.org/ | New GNU women channel: #gnu-women | Ask RMS your questions: http://www.reddit.com/r/gnu/comments/c8rrk/rms_ama/
20100707 21:27:50< Blarumyrran> * Kanali #fsf teema määras Thu May 27 22:05:20 2010 kasutaja mattl!~mattl@fsf/staff/mattl
20100707 21:27:50< Blarumyrran> <Blarumyrran> Linux
20100707 21:28:00< Aethaeryn> meh
20100707 21:28:03< Blarumyrran> It should be unambiguous enough
20100707 21:28:17< VurtualRuler98> Anyways meanwhile, whatever you call me, I'm that guy who has way too much information, and will go about finding secure storage for it.
20100707 21:28:23< VurtualRuler98> I need like, a vault, for ironkeys.
20100707 21:28:25< Aethaeryn> Blarumyrran: you should ask what Linux distro they recommend? :-P
20100707 21:28:33< Blarumyrran> Damn, too late now
20100707 21:28:38< Aethaeryn> Then pose the question as "Ubuntu or Suse"?
20100707 21:28:40< Blarumyrran> Now it'd be obvious I'm trolling
20100707 21:28:47< Blarumyrran> You could ask that though!
20100707 21:28:50< Valkier> Everyone knows that Windows 7 is better than all of this anyhow. Why argue?
20100707 21:28:55< VurtualRuler98> no no Aethaeryn
20100707 21:28:56< Aethaeryn> might be too obvious I'm with you
20100707 21:28:58< Aethaeryn> I joined too close
20100707 21:28:59< VurtualRuler98> ubuntu or snow leopard
20100707 21:29:05< Aethaeryn> besides, this chan is publically logged
20100707 21:29:10< Aethaeryn> there's already a paper trail :o
20100707 21:29:27< Blarumyrran> What's this, Black FSF helicopters are circling outside
20100707 21:29:27< VurtualRuler98> Hello, I have purchased your "lunix"
20100707 21:29:49< VurtualRuler98> product, and seek technical support. There is no "notepad" word processing program, does it cost extra?
20100707 21:30:11< Blarumyrran> "word processing program" sounds really painful
20100707 21:30:22< VurtualRuler98> the quotes are the real kicker
20100707 21:30:27< Blarumyrran> Yep
20100707 21:30:38< VurtualRuler98> With juuust the right amount of typos and regional spelling, you can troll thousands.
20100707 21:32:49< VurtualRuler98> A real hacker has taken interest into messing with the most extreme amount of things, to the point of even society, and structural engineering, whilst living out their dream, building their own supercomputer.
20100707 21:33:21< VurtualRuler98> Their advanced, composite material desk has a pistol, designed to the very limits of the laws of physics, at all times.
20100707 21:33:25< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: are you using the lunix distro "solaris"?
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20100707 21:33:52< Blarumyrran> That wouldn't be as offending
20100707 21:33:55< VurtualRuler98> "Ubuntu" brand, version "debain".
20100707 21:34:05< Blarumyrran> I doubt linux people have much hatred for solaris
20100707 21:34:39< VurtualRuler98> home edition of course
20100707 21:35:18< Aethaeryn> VurtualRuler98: ah, you'll want to talk to Blueblaze because he knows about the Lunix "OS X" which is close enough.
20100707 21:35:35< VurtualRuler98> No I need to talk to my ISP.
20100707 21:35:54< VurtualRuler98> Either they meant "8 to 8:30 PM" on the upgrades, or are late.
20100707 21:36:07< VurtualRuler98> Either way, I'm stressing out my network so much that I'm surprised there aren't sparks yet.
20100707 21:37:08< Aethaeryn> ah, so your architecture is SPARC?
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20100707 21:37:22< VurtualRuler98> It probably will be if I keep downloading things
20100707 21:37:37< VurtualRuler98> 39GB to download, 64 kilobyte per second is not built for this.
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20100707 21:39:44< VurtualRuler98> Including the grand daddy of them all: GTA IV
20100707 21:39:52< VurtualRuler98> Now only if I could overclock my connection
20100707 21:44:28-!- PedroLlorensG [~Pete@200.119.239.146] has joined #wesnoth
20100707 21:44:31< PedroLlorensG> back
20100707 21:44:42< PedroLlorensG> managed to escape art class....
20100707 21:44:45< e_s-iOS> Hi
20100707 21:44:56< PedroLlorensG> Elvish, how you doin?
20100707 21:45:04< e_s-iOS> Fine
20100707 21:45:11< PedroLlorensG> kewl.
20100707 21:45:17< e_s-iOS> Tinkering with spriting
20100707 21:45:22< e_s-iOS> Spriting*
20100707 21:45:48< PedroLlorensG> THAT is what they should teach us in art class
20100707 21:46:04< PedroLlorensG> not 'how to draw crap'
20100707 21:46:26< Valkier> PedroLlorensG: College or HS?
20100707 21:46:34< PedroLlorensG> HS
20100707 21:46:40-!- PedroLlorensG is now known as PetePorty
20100707 21:46:45< Valkier> You think they should teach spriting? :-P
20100707 21:46:47< PetePorty> in case u were wondering...
20100707 21:46:51< PetePorty> YES
20100707 21:46:55< Valkier> ...
20100707 21:47:00 * Valkier goes back to working
20100707 21:47:04< PetePorty> O.o
20100707 21:47:46< PetePorty> so...
20100707 21:47:51< PetePorty> anything new?
20100707 21:47:57< e_s-iOS> PetePorty: Btw I downloaded IWBTG and am now trying ton find an able windows emulator
20100707 21:48:09< PetePorty> oh, you in mac?
20100707 21:48:13< e_s-iOS> Yuup
20100707 21:48:16< PetePorty> hmm...
20100707 21:48:33< PetePorty> well, you will never manage to finish IWBTG anyway...
20100707 21:48:43< e_s-iOS> Why?
20100707 21:48:46< PetePorty> did you try the unfair platfformer?
20100707 21:48:53< PetePorty> well... it is kinda hard...
20100707 21:48:56< e_s-iOS> Not yet
20100707 21:49:01< e_s-iOS> Yeah I know
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20100707 21:49:21< PetePorty> Hellrider!
20100707 21:49:26< PetePorty> How you doin!?
20100707 21:49:36< PetePorty> been so long since I saw you...
20100707 21:49:37< PetePorty> brb
20100707 21:51:28< Tomsik> He still rides the hell I guess
20100707 21:52:04< PetePorty> back
20100707 21:52:15< PetePorty> sorry, my principal came in...
20100707 21:53:29< Zerovirus> Yup, caught.
20100707 21:53:33< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 21:53:57< PetePorty> but... bribing is one of my best abilitties...
20100707 21:54:46< PetePorty> also, being class president and all, I get some privileges...
20100707 21:55:08< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 21:55:31< PetePorty> but it sucks to be class president...
20100707 21:55:50< PetePorty> I have to go to weird meetings about 'alcohol and sex in parties'
20100707 21:55:56< PetePorty> and that sucks...
20100707 21:56:03< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 21:56:22< PetePorty> don't laugh at me, it ain't funny...
20100707 21:56:41< PetePorty> >:/
20100707 21:58:17< e_s-iOS> You remind of one of my friends
20100707 21:58:27< PetePorty> orly?
20100707 21:58:36< PetePorty> your super cool friend?
20100707 21:58:39< e_s-iOS> Yeah
20100707 21:58:46< PetePorty> awesome...
20100707 21:58:51< e_s-iOS> He's in student council, but hates it
20100707 21:58:55< PetePorty> (I'm not THAT cool anyway...)
20100707 21:59:15< PetePorty> oh... I wanna be in student counsil... the privileges r worth it...
20100707 21:59:29< PetePorty> 2 more years to wait though
20100707 21:59:36< PetePorty> ! and a half acually....
20100707 21:59:39< PetePorty> 1*
20100707 21:59:57< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 22:01:11< PetePorty> dude, the fact that I am person 1 in the followind discussion is awesome: 1:'clean that' 2:'but you did it!' 1: 'yeah, but I am class president' 2:'damn... ok...'
20100707 22:01:28< PetePorty> I just luuuuv that....
20100707 22:01:29< e_s-iOS> Lol
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20100707 22:01:47< PetePorty> 5 'lol's in the last 10 mins....
20100707 22:01:52< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 22:01:53< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 22:01:54< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 22:01:54< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 22:02:02< PetePorty> omg! this irc thingy is in spanish!
20100707 22:02:15< e_s-iOS> Nola
20100707 22:02:18< e_s-iOS> Wha?
20100707 22:02:20< e_s-iOS> Hola*
20100707 22:02:21< PetePorty> nola?
20100707 22:02:23< PetePorty> oh...
20100707 22:02:26< PetePorty> hi....
20100707 22:02:32< e_s-iOS> Spellchecker fail
20100707 22:02:38< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 22:02:43< PetePorty> 6.
20100707 22:03:09< e_s-iOS> PetePorty: If you want I can private chat spam you with lol's
20100707 22:03:14< PetePorty> 10 if we count your spam outrage...
20100707 22:03:22< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 22:03:30< PetePorty> umm.... /ignore e_s-iOS 
20100707 22:03:56< e_s-iOS> You can't ignore me! I'm the class president!
20100707 22:04:04< PetePorty> no, I am.
20100707 22:04:07< e_s-iOS> Now go clean that!
20100707 22:04:14< PetePorty> wtf?
20100707 22:04:17< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 22:04:32< PetePorty> alcohol produces impotence...
20100707 22:04:32< e_s-iOS> Referring to an earlier message of yours
20100707 22:04:51< e_s-iOS> Oh yeah, I had way too much beer to day
20100707 22:04:54< PetePorty> but I a, the president, not you...
20100707 22:05:11< PetePorty> willow tree?
20100707 22:05:12< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 22:05:22< e_s-iOS> Wha?
20100707 22:05:27< PetePorty> you know...
20100707 22:06:21< PetePorty> the... branches...
20100707 22:06:21< e_s-iOS> Nah
20100707 22:06:54< PetePorty> beer-alcohol-impotence-willow's branches....
20100707 22:07:02< PetePorty> don't you see the connection?
20100707 22:07:39< PetePorty> I don't wanna go back to art...
20100707 22:07:45 * e_s-iOS is totally sane. Nevermind PetePorty, I was just teasing him. At 16, I don't anything I'm not supposed to do.
20100707 22:07:46< PetePorty> art sucks...
20100707 22:08:04< e_s-iOS> I don't do*
20100707 22:08:09< PetePorty> ...
20100707 22:08:19< PetePorty> I don't drink...
20100707 22:08:20< Gambit> PetePorty: Get on minecraft
20100707 22:08:25< Gambit> or drive!
20100707 22:08:26< Gambit> zing
20100707 22:08:31< PetePorty> Gambit.. I'm in school
20100707 22:08:41< PetePorty> I also don't have sex in public.
20100707 22:08:56< e_s-iOS> Yes you do
20100707 22:09:03< e_s-iOS> Class president!
20100707 22:09:05< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 22:09:05< PetePorty> no I don't
20100707 22:09:11< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100707 22:09:21< e_s-iOS> Ok, I'll stop spamming
20100707 22:09:27< PetePorty> only happened 1 and it was not *completely* in public.
20100707 22:09:44< PetePorty> 1=once btw...
20100707 22:09:51 * e_s-iOS stops acting insane.
20100707 22:09:54< e_s-iOS> Ooh?
20100707 22:10:11< PetePorty> ooh?
20100707 22:10:32< e_s-iOS> Not sure if I should say ooh or not.
20100707 22:10:52< PetePorty> Gambit, I can't, I'm in school
20100707 22:10:56< PetePorty> umm...
20100707 22:11:27< e_s-iOS> Okay, I've never ever had a girlfriend, let alone anything beyond that.
20100707 22:11:56< PetePorty> meh, I've only had 1 *useful* gf
20100707 22:12:03< Gambit> ...
20100707 22:12:09< Gambit> This sounds like a job for
20100707 22:12:12< Gambit> -trumpets blow-
20100707 22:12:15< Gambit> #wesnoth-music!
20100707 22:12:15< PetePorty> Gambit want to share?
20100707 22:12:21< Gambit> s/job/conversation/
20100707 22:12:48< PetePorty> nah...
20100707 22:13:11< PetePorty> has nothing to do with wesnoth or music...
20100707 22:14:25< Aethaeryn> exactly
20100707 22:14:25< PetePorty> now my friends think I'm a nerd... they think I study at home... and they don't believe me when I say I don't
20100707 22:14:29< Aethaeryn> as with 95% of #Wesnoth-music 
20100707 22:14:36< PetePorty> Aethaeryn, lol
20100707 22:14:39< Aethaeryn> actually, I've never seen a convo there that involves *both* Wesnoth and music
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20100707 22:15:14< PetePorty> Bluey!
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20100707 22:16:12< Aethaeryn> Blueblaze_: Wow, isn't it funny what happens when you're in the field of education?
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20100707 22:35:14-!- Aethaeryn is now known as {`B|u3-b|^z3_}
20100707 22:35:57< {`B|u3-b|^z3_}> I've officially found a loophole that allows me to have a hideous nick on IRC.
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20100707 22:39:32< Gambit> He's actually known for a while, it just wasn't  notarized.
20100707 22:39:38< Gambit> So yeah. Now it's official.
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20100707 22:44:56< Aethaeryn> <_<
20100707 22:44:57< Aethaeryn> >_>
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20100707 22:52:51< PetePorty> back
20100707 22:52:51< PetePorty> home this time.
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20100707 23:01:16< PeterPorty> damn you, Paul.
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20100707 23:06:35< PeterPorty> Gambit, are you in minecraft multiplayer?
20100707 23:06:59< Gambit> PeterPorty: no I'm downloading something
20100707 23:07:01< Gambit> but I can play
20100707 23:07:17< Gambit> minecraft only takes ~10kbps off my transfer rate
20100707 23:07:20< Gambit> which I can live with
20100707 23:07:30< PeterPorty> Get builder rank so we can build something cool together...
20100707 23:07:38< PeterPorty> and you can get adv and I can get op...
20100707 23:07:39< PeterPorty> :)
20100707 23:07:42< Gambit> PeterPorty: was that painting yours?
20100707 23:07:51< PeterPorty> yeah, right.
20100707 23:07:54< PeterPorty> no way man...
20100707 23:08:02< PeterPorty> it is Sennec's
20100707 23:12:58< elvish_sovereign> btw, is it possible to set some particular hexes to have shroud in an otherwise non-shroud map?
20100707 23:13:11< elvish_sovereign> i should say, an easy way?
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20100707 23:13:46< elvish_sovereign> ahh never mind
20100707 23:13:52< elvish_sovereign> found it on the wiki
20100707 23:14:14< Hellrider> hi PeterPorty, hi Tomsik i'm fine thanks :) (and yea still riding the hell :P)
20100707 23:14:25< PeterPorty> o.o
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20100707 23:39:01< elvish_sovereign> zookeeper or shadowmaster: if I want to randomized images in an [item] tag in some specific coordinates, how would I do that?
20100707 23:39:31< shadowmaster> {RANDOM "foo/bar.png,foo/baz.png,foo/bat.png"}
20100707 23:39:41< shadowmaster> {PLACE_IMAGE $random X Y}
20100707 23:39:44 * zookeeper agrees
20100707 23:39:49< shadowmaster> {CLEAR_VARIABLE random}
20100707 23:39:57< shadowmaster> all in a event
20100707 23:40:26< elvish_sovereign> what does bar/baz/bat represent?
20100707 23:40:47< shadowmaster> foo/bar.png et al are placeholders for the image paths you'd use otherwise
20100707 23:40:59< shadowmaster> i.e. units/human-magi/mage.png
20100707 23:41:56< elvish_sovereign> so it would be like {RANDOM "units/human-magi/mage.png, units/elves-wood/archer.png, etc."}?
20100707 23:42:29< shadowmaster> yes, although you'll want to not put a whitespace after the commas
20100707 23:42:36< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100707 23:42:39< shadowmaster> (probably)
20100707 23:46:17< elvish_sovereign> making sure: like this?
20100707 23:46:18< elvish_sovereign> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/EzMXnKXD
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20100707 23:47:51< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: no, it'll insert the same message on all those coordinates
20100707 23:47:57< shadowmaster> I mean image
20100707 23:48:10< elvish_sovereign> so how do it randomize it?
20100707 23:48:15< shadowmaster> so you need to repeat the {RANDOM... statement each time
20100707 23:48:23< shadowmaster> you might want to wrap the basics in a macro to avoid doing that by hand
20100707 23:48:24< elvish_sovereign> oh
20100707 23:49:13< elvish_sovereign> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/0S8WR7bu
20100707 23:49:15< elvish_sovereign> like this?
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20100707 23:49:54< elvish_sovereign> oh, realized I probably don't need all those {CLEAR_VARIABLE}'s
20100707 23:49:59< shadowmaster> yes, if you want to ignore what I said about wrapping the basics in a macro.
20100707 23:50:11< elvish_sovereign> what?
20100707 23:50:17< elvish_sovereign> what do you mean?
20100707 23:50:36< shadowmaster> you are repeating the RANDOM inclusion every time with the same parameter
20100707 23:50:45< shadowmaster> that looks unelegant
20100707 23:50:51< elvish_sovereign> yeah
20100707 23:50:58< elvish_sovereign> so how would you do it?
20100707 23:51:35< elvish_sovereign> ahh
20100707 23:52:07< shadowmaster> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/83iLHvqK
20100707 23:52:27< elvish_sovereign> thanks!
20100707 23:52:35< elvish_sovereign> figured after some thought
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20100707 23:53:33< elvish_sovereign> ok, so I place those images in cages, and wait for the player to free them
20100707 23:53:34< Guest51908> hello
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20100707 23:53:52< Guest51908> how do I change my name?
20100707 23:54:06< elvish_sovereign> Guest51908: /nick
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20100707 23:54:34< gojira> thanks
20100707 23:54:35< shadowmaster> elvish_sovereign: I guess you'll want to insert a {PLACE_IMAGE "items/cage.png" {X} {Y}} inside my macro then, after the randomized PLACE_IMAGE so it goes on top of the goblin unit's image
20100707 23:54:36< elvish_sovereign> shadowmaster: but if the image inside is randomized, how do i ensure i have the right unit?
20100707 23:54:51< shadowmaster> that's up to you
20100707 23:55:01< elvish_sovereign> what do you mean?
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20100707 23:55:29< shadowmaster> he heh, you want me to do your homework or what? :p I can think of several possible ways to do what you want
20100707 23:55:39< elvish_sovereign> okay, sorry
20100707 23:55:45< elvish_sovereign> i'll figure it out myself
20100707 23:55:50< shadowmaster> all of them with various degrees of elegancy
20100707 23:56:20< shadowmaster> the most dirty one would be having a  $goblin_prisoner_{X}_{Y} assignment in the macro
20100707 23:56:45< elvish_sovereign> hmm
20100707 23:56:47 * shadowmaster goes back to his homework
20100707 23:56:52< elvish_sovereign> well, i'll try
20100707 23:57:22 * gojira hmm
20100707 23:57:24< shadowmaster> it becomes more of a "decide upon a good algorithm" problem rather than a "learn how to do X in WML" problem
20100707 23:57:33< elvish_sovereign> okay
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20100707 23:57:43< elvish_sovereign> wha?
20100707 23:58:08< shadowmaster> some IRC clients indulge in shameless self-advertising
20100707 23:58:22< Gambit> yeah
20100707 23:58:25< Gambit> dispicable
20100707 23:58:30< Gambit> and despicable too!
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