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20100716 02:38:15< shadowmaster> 20:36:33 <Gambit_> why the hell would they package usb with a brand new computer?
20100716 02:38:19< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:/media$ sudo apt-get install usb
20100716 02:38:25< shadowmaster> E: Couldn't find package usb
20100716 02:38:45< Gambit> heh
20100716 02:38:52 * shadowmaster scratches head.
20100716 02:38:54< Gambit> s/usb/usb 1.0/
20100716 02:39:03< Gambit> >_>
20100716 02:39:07< Gambit> <_<
20100716 02:39:11< Gambit> -_-'
20100716 02:39:16< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:/media$ sudo apt-get install usb-1.0
20100716 02:39:23< shadowmaster> E: Couldn't find package usb-1.0
20100716 02:39:33< Gambit> s/package/install/
20100716 02:40:37< Gambit> s/install/include/ even maybe... I don't know
20100716 02:41:01< Gambit> point is every time I forget and plug something in up there Vista yells at me to use the ports on the back.
20100716 02:41:47< Gambit> And now it's going to take 9 minutes versus 24.
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20100716 02:54:56< King_Elendil> hello
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20100716 03:05:00< elvish_sovereign> argh did I miss King_Elendil?
20100716 03:05:36< elvish_sovereign> Is it possible for me to have wesbot send him a message when he logs in again?
20100716 03:05:54< elvish_sovereign> wesbot seen King_Elendil
20100716 03:05:54< wesbot> elvish_sovereign: The person with the nick King_Elendil last spoke 10m 57s ago.  8m 9s ago they left with the message: Quit: Page closed
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20100716 03:15:17< Aethaeryn> elvish_sovereign: wesbot sends a message saying someone was looking for you
20100716 03:15:21< Aethaeryn> if you do the wesbot seen thing
20100716 03:15:32< elvish_sovereign> yeah i know that
20100716 03:15:34< Aethaeryn> wesbot seen `\
20100716 03:15:35< wesbot> Aethaeryn: You are `\!
20100716 03:15:39< Aethaeryn> smart bot.
20100716 03:15:56< elvish_sovereign> but is there a way for wesbot to send a custom message?
20100716 03:16:01< shadowmaster> no
20100716 03:16:02< Aethaeryn> memoserv
20100716 03:16:08< elvish_sovereign> oh okay
20100716 03:16:14< elvish_sovereign> right
20100716 03:16:16< Aethaeryn> what you want is memoserv
20100716 03:16:20< shadowmaster> /msg memoserv help
20100716 03:16:25< elvish_sovereign> cool
20100716 03:16:41< shadowmaster> the target needs to be registered, though
20100716 03:16:51< shadowmaster> I don't know if King_Elendil is.
20100716 03:17:01< Aethaeryn> he is
20100716 03:17:04< Gambit> shadowmaster: Is it possibly to ask Nickserv that?
20100716 03:17:09< shadowmaster> ah yes.
20100716 03:17:15< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: /msg nickserv info King_Elendil
20100716 03:17:17< shadowmaster> Gambit: yeah, I have a custom alias for that
20100716 03:17:21< shadowmaster> /ns_info
20100716 03:17:23< Aethaeryn> though you already knew that but was just too lazy
20100716 03:17:37< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: :p
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20100716 03:19:56< elvish_sovereign> Cool!
20100716 03:19:58< elvish_sovereign> did it
20100716 03:20:34< Gambit> sadness Tom Petty doesn't use twitter
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20100716 03:33:01< mordocai> Looking for an opinion. I am on HttT playing under Hard. I have two "knights", Haldiel (loyal of course) who is a Paladin, and also a Resilient/Intelligent knight. Do you think I should level the second knight into another paladin, or a grand knight? I know there is quite a few undead in the future... so i'm thinking paladin, but i wanted to hear opinions.
20100716 03:35:23< Zerovirus> grandknight, it looks cooler :P
20100716 03:39:11< mordocai> Heh, I don't care about looks! If I cared about looks, i'd probably have gotten a TON more footpads in the Island level (can't remember its name atm) and be getting all fugitives :). 
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20100716 03:39:25< mordocai> Oh, I meant to mention above that i'm currently at the crossroads level.
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20100716 03:43:33< mordocai> can you get negative gold bonus?
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20100716 03:44:08< elvish_sovereign> mordocai: Grand Knight by far
20100716 03:45:07< elvish_sovereign> http://monochromaticism.wordpress.com
20100716 03:45:14< elvish_sovereign> It's up! Go there!
20100716 03:46:00< Zerovirus> Also, fugitives are horrible in graphics terms
20100716 03:46:09< mordocai> elvish_sovereign: Okay, so the paladin's minor heal + arcane damage sword isn't enough to overcome the advantage of more hp + more regular damage? (just trying to get your reasoning).
20100716 03:46:28< elvish_sovereign> Grand Knights have tons of HP
20100716 03:46:33< elvish_sovereign> and loads of damage
20100716 03:46:51< Zerovirus> and those awesome little gold helmet wing things
20100716 03:46:53< Zerovirus> don't forget those
20100716 03:46:55< mordocai> Zerovirus: Well, maybe in how "good" the graphics are. But I think they look coolest, compared to the other units I have available right now. Drakes look the best right now, IMO, since they just got a makeover.
20100716 03:47:05< elvish_sovereign> I'd say unless you're playing EI or DM, probably 2 GK for every paladin
20100716 03:47:11< elvish_sovereign> YEAH!
20100716 03:47:29< elvish_sovereign> GK = Grand Knight
20100716 03:48:11< mordocai> elvish_sovereign: Okay, cool. How about with elvish captains/marshals? I'm thinking about getting some more of those. Damn useful with those leadership bonuses. Trying to get a fighter with resilient or quick first, though.
20100716 03:48:50< elvish_sovereign> I usually get a couple captains/marshals first before leveling heroes
20100716 03:49:11< elvish_sovereign> strong quick heroes/champions are pretty scary
20100716 03:49:31< elvish_sovereign> though
20100716 03:49:41< elvish_sovereign> yeah
20100716 03:49:50< elvish_sovereign> rangers/marksmen about 50/50
20100716 03:49:50< Zerovirus> Man, I got a strong quick elvish champion in IfTU, who I then upgraded with all the powerups you find in that campaign
20100716 03:49:59< Zerovirus> He ended up with 14-4 melee and 12-3 ranged poison
20100716 03:50:03< elvish_sovereign> depends on who I'm fighting
20100716 03:50:04< Zerovirus> kicked major Chaos arse
20100716 03:50:08< elvish_sovereign> yay
20100716 03:50:10< elvish_sovereign> lol Zerovirus
20100716 03:50:19< Zerovirus> And he regenerated +8
20100716 03:50:25< Zerovirus> He was a freaking invulnerable tank hahaha
20100716 03:50:51< elvish_sovereign> I went through most of IftU with three liches, an Ancient ghost (forget the name)
20100716 03:50:54< Zerovirus> Whoops, I meant 14-5 melee, the champion starts with 9-5 and then he ended up with like 11-5 with strong
20100716 03:50:59< elvish_sovereign> and a slyph i think
20100716 03:51:04< Zerovirus> Why liches?
20100716 03:51:05< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100716 03:51:13< Zerovirus> Liches are weak against the fire and cold that the demons have
20100716 03:51:15< hagabaka> I used fire spirits a lot
20100716 03:51:18< Zerovirus> I always made them meatshield necros
20100716 03:51:20< elvish_sovereign> got them through the cave parts
20100716 03:51:40< mordocai> Niiice. Btw elvish_sovereign, good luck learning C++. I learned it when I was about 14-15. So around your age :). (I say that like i'm old, but i'm only 19).
20100716 03:51:58< elvish_sovereign> since most of the monsters there had no arcane resists and a couple do have poison
20100716 03:51:59< elvish_sovereign> so
20100716 03:52:08< Zerovirus> I had... A sylph, a shyde, way too many marksmen and sharpshooters, and my Elvish Champion Of The Ages. And a draug that could poison with a bow.
20100716 03:52:15< elvish_sovereign> i just had Malin plus a couple of his minions
20100716 03:52:17< elvish_sovereign> yeah
20100716 03:52:21< elvish_sovereign> awesome
20100716 03:52:37< elvish_sovereign> mordocai: cool! what do you think of the blon in general?
20100716 03:52:39< Zerovirus> I could never get Banebows to be useful
20100716 03:52:40< elvish_sovereign> blog*
20100716 03:52:49< Zerovirus> They kept dying to the stupid fire shooting demons who are too OP
20100716 03:52:50< elvish_sovereign> me niether until i played EI
20100716 03:53:05< Zerovirus> I mean wow, a level 3 with 12-3
20100716 03:53:08< Zerovirus> That's weeeak.
20100716 03:53:13< elvish_sovereign> uhhh
20100716 03:53:18< elvish_sovereign> you mean 17-3
20100716 03:53:28< Zerovirus> Yeah that
20100716 03:53:35< Zerovirus> But most of the enemies I kept fighting resisted pierce
20100716 03:53:41< Zerovirus> So I dealt 12s most of the time
20100716 03:53:53< elvish_sovereign> oh no i;m wrong
20100716 03:53:55< elvish_sovereign> http://units.wesnoth.org/trunk/C/Banebow.html
20100716 03:54:00< elvish_sovereign> 14-3
20100716 03:54:16< mordocai> elvish_sovereign: Well, not much to it yet but I think I like the layout etc. I have my own blog (never updated) at http://fossstudent.blogspot.com. I stuck to the tech news kind of thing... but eventually got bored, as I knew no one was reading it.
20100716 03:54:20 * elvish_sovereign slams his head
20100716 03:54:34< elvish_sovereign> Mmhm
20100716 03:54:39< elvish_sovereign> Nice thanks
20100716 03:55:01< Valkier> Banebow? Who?
20100716 03:55:04< Zerovirus> We both need to stop talking about stats when we don't know it :P
20100716 03:55:13< Zerovirus> We were talking about how useless the Lv3 Banebow is
20100716 03:55:18< elvish_sovereign> Valkier: You're banebow is awesome
20100716 03:55:27< Zerovirus> But the unit's stats suck
20100716 03:55:28< Zerovirus> imo
20100716 03:55:29< elvish_sovereign> Fighting it or using it, nope
20100716 03:55:32< Valkier> lol
20100716 03:55:36< elvish_sovereign> ooops
20100716 03:55:38< elvish_sovereign> argh
20100716 03:55:39< Valkier> it's better than the bone shooter
20100716 03:55:40< elvish_sovereign> your*
20100716 03:55:44< Zerovirus> The bone shooter sucks more
20100716 03:55:48< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100716 03:55:57< Zerovirus> The banebow has little HP, lots of weaknesses, a mediocre ranged and little melee
20100716 03:55:58< Zerovirus> Yeah
20100716 03:56:06< elvish_sovereign> yup
20100716 03:56:08< elvish_sovereign> hut really
20100716 03:56:11< elvish_sovereign> but*
20100716 03:56:15< Valkier> But it will ruin rebels.
20100716 03:56:17< Valkier> So thbt
20100716 03:56:17< Zerovirus> I found that he was totally useless and that XP was better given to other lv3s if I didn't have lv2s and below
20100716 03:56:30< Zerovirus> REBELS?
20100716 03:56:31< Zerovirus> THIS
20100716 03:56:31< Zerovirus> IS
20100716 03:56:33< Zerovirus> IFTU
20100716 03:56:41< Valkier> What is that?
20100716 03:56:50< mordocai> Someone been watching too much 300?
20100716 03:56:51< Zerovirus> Invasion from the unknown
20100716 03:56:59< Zerovirus> you know the new thing we've all been hyped up about
20100716 03:57:00< Valkier> Dirty hippie talk!
20100716 03:57:07< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100716 03:57:09< Valkier> Is that a mainline thing?
20100716 03:57:11< Zerovirus> because me and Bob and EVILEST and Rhyging and Espreon and SM are all working on it
20100716 03:57:17< Zerovirus> Well, no it isn't
20100716 03:57:21< Zerovirus> technically I'm working on UtBS
20100716 03:57:22< Valkier> Oh.
20100716 03:57:28< shadowmaster> who the hell is Bob?
20100716 03:57:28< Valkier> Well then you're still a dirty hippie.
20100716 03:57:38< Zerovirus> but I'm pretty sure SM wants the stuff I make to go into IfTU too
20100716 03:57:43< Zerovirus> Lordbob
20100716 03:57:46< shadowmaster> ah
20100716 03:57:47< Zerovirus> The really awesome portrait dude
20100716 03:57:49< Zerovirus> you know
20100716 03:57:58< shadowmaster> yes, I'll be using your Chaos units...if I ever go back to IftU.
20100716 03:58:06< Zerovirus> Which you said you wouldn't.
20100716 03:58:10< Zerovirus> Fine, the IfTUverse then.
20100716 03:58:20< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100716 03:58:23< hagabaka> the last few scenarios in IFTU were too long-winded
20100716 03:58:23< Zerovirus> I really need to get back to that Hell Guardian instead of chatting
20100716 03:58:31< Zerovirus> Do you pronounce IfTU "Iff-too?"
20100716 03:58:49< Zerovirus> hagabaka: I agree there, I never finished the part where you find Eloh
20100716 03:59:24< hagabaka> there was a lot more after that, I remember
20100716 03:59:36< elvish_sovereign> xD
20100716 03:59:43< Zerovirus> That testifies to how early the scenarios get really long
20100716 03:59:59< Zerovirus> Seriously, a ton of scenarios were 60 turns+
20100716 04:00:10< Zerovirus> I say a ton because I'm not sure how much the % above 50 is
20100716 04:00:18< hagabaka> I was scared of seeing cave terrain again after finishing the campaign
20100716 04:01:05< Zerovirus> haha yeah
20100716 04:01:09< Zerovirus> I invested most of my XP into elves
20100716 04:01:15< Zerovirus> what a foolish move
20100716 04:01:22< Zerovirus> No pun intended
20100716 04:01:41< hagabaka> and the music tracks that come with them, but I didn't like them in the beginning anyway
20100716 04:02:03< Zerovirus> The music was okay, I thought.
20100716 04:02:46< Zerovirus> Shadowmaster: you learned how to sprite expressly for UtBS? Or you made the campaign so your sprites would have a place to go? Either way I've heard UtBS wasn't plot-oriented when you started it as practice.
20100716 04:03:31< hagabaka> UtBS? I thought it was made by someone else
20100716 04:04:13< Zerovirus> WHoops I meant the other one
20100716 04:04:14< Zerovirus> IfTU
20100716 04:04:22< Zerovirus> blame me, they both have a T and a U in them
20100716 04:04:59< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: I learned for IftU.
20100716 04:05:16< shadowmaster> only two sprites predate IftU
20100716 04:05:28< shadowmaster> those are Shadow Master and Elynia's original incarnations. Boy, do they sucked...
20100716 04:05:44< Zerovirus> They were actually pretty good for first ones
20100716 04:05:45< shadowmaster> I really *learned* a lot with IftU.
20100716 04:05:52< shadowmaster> I also learned how not to make a campaign ;(
20100716 04:05:56< Zerovirus> Do you do any art outside of the IftU sprites?
20100716 04:06:21< shadowmaster> no (if by IftU you mean IftU and its sequel, AtS)
20100716 04:06:37< shadowmaster> and I haven't worked on sprites for a long while now
20100716 04:06:57< Zerovirus> I dunno, you seem a lot like a Renaissance man of the computer to me :P
20100716 04:06:59< shadowmaster> that's due to a horrible lack of motivation that's been affecting me this year.
20100716 04:07:12< shadowmaster> and without the new artwork I want I don't feel like continuing to work on AtS' plot and WML either.
20100716 04:07:32< Zerovirus> It helps if you just think about it as being Awesome(c).
20100716 04:07:46< Zerovirus> That's my usual excuse when I'm not doing something constructive
20100716 04:07:52< Zerovirus> I go "I'm too awesome for that"
20100716 04:07:54< shadowmaster> you mean ™
20100716 04:08:04< shadowmaster> © is for copyright.
20100716 04:08:06< Zerovirus> Blast ye and your character mastery
20100716 04:08:10< shadowmaster> tm is for registered trademarks.
20100716 04:08:16< shadowmaster> * ™
20100716 04:08:16< Zerovirus> Riiight
20100716 04:08:24< Zerovirus> I will totally, uh, remember that
20100716 04:08:30< Zerovirus> For as, uh, long as I can
20100716 04:08:33< Zerovirus> >.>
20100716 04:08:53< shadowmaster> the problem is that nowadays I feel more comfortable with...uh...doing other stuff
20100716 04:09:19< Zerovirus> You mean you got a life? :P
20100716 04:09:20< shadowmaster> making levels for Frogatto, coding in C++, PHP or Perl, administrating the forums, writing HTML and CSS..
20100716 04:09:25< Zerovirus> Frogatto
20100716 04:09:29< shadowmaster> no, I still have no life
20100716 04:09:35< Zerovirus> I am totally buying that when it comes out on the app store
20100716 04:09:43< shadowmaster> :)
20100716 04:10:12< Zerovirus> Partially because PIXELART, partially to support everyone I've heard has worked on it, and partly because it was fun when I played it on my computer
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20100716 04:20:00< Zerovirus> Oh hey it's Kyle
20100716 04:20:08< elvish_sovereign> Hey KylePoole 
20100716 04:20:16< KylePoole> Hello all
20100716 04:20:17< Zerovirus> Btw, you know when you said everything related to terrain was fixed?
20100716 04:20:18< Zerovirus> It wasn't.
20100716 04:20:25< Zerovirus> IfTU's custom tiles still need repair
20100716 04:20:39< elvish_sovereign> hmm
20100716 04:20:47 * mordocai never uses the word everything or never. Except we he is describing word usage.
20100716 04:21:05< Zerovirus> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=29691&start=150
20100716 04:21:24< Zerovirus> The first picture, I think, is the hex that doesn't show up. The reddish-brown tiled floor.
20100716 04:21:51< KylePoole> Anyone want to talk iPhone controversy?
20100716 04:22:01< Valkier> How much the iPhone has failed?!
20100716 04:22:03< Valkier> Why yes!
20100716 04:22:09< Valkier> Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
20100716 04:22:25< Gambit> KylePoole: I don't think it's good to discuss that here.
20100716 04:22:36< Valkier> Gambit: Why not?
20100716 04:22:54< Zerovirus> What controversy?
20100716 04:22:57< Gambit> Valkier: Because the people concerned don't watch this channel anymore.
20100716 04:23:13< mordocai> Gambit: I'm pretty sure the entire wesnoth community is concerned... just saying.
20100716 04:23:18< Zerovirus> No
20100716 04:23:22< Zerovirus> Because I've never heard of this
20100716 04:23:25< Gambit> mordocai: No. Just the developers.
20100716 04:23:29< Valkier> The reception issue?
20100716 04:23:29< Gambit> We users have no rights.
20100716 04:23:32< Zerovirus> And I'm part of the community :P
20100716 04:23:39< mordocai> Gambit: Users still will be affected, thus concerned.
20100716 04:23:51< Zerovirus> Oh wait, the GPL issue with Kyle selling it?
20100716 04:23:55< Valkier> Android users aren't affected or concerned.
20100716 04:24:11< Valkier> But we have no Noth in which to Wes...
20100716 04:24:18< KylePoole> It's kind of silly to try to hide things in an open source community project. Everyone is affected
20100716 04:24:40< mordocai> Valkier: Heh, yeah. As long as android doesn't have bad ToS language. I haven't looked yet.
20100716 04:25:09< Valkier> Too bad Blueblaze or Ancestral isn't on.
20100716 04:25:18< Aethaeryn> oooh
20100716 04:25:22< Valkier> They're the resident iToys.
20100716 04:25:33< Gambit> I'm not saying to hide anything. But this channel is terrible for serious discussions.
20100716 04:25:52< Valkier> Gambit: Did you think it would be serious even if we discussed it?
20100716 04:25:52< KylePoole> who has to be serious?
20100716 04:26:11< Aethaeryn> KylePoole: I'm going to be trying my hand at an Android port sometime after my summer coursework lightens up.
20100716 04:26:13< Valkier> I was prepared to bring up Steve Jobs as an evil Santa Claus that opens children for Christmas.
20100716 04:26:35< mordocai> KylePoole: But yeah, personally I hope that the selling can continue. I never saw a reply to this question btw: "If it is decided to take it off the iPhone store, would you be willing to help with the android port?" or something to that affect, was asked.
20100716 04:27:01< mordocai> Valkier: Yay, a fellow apple hater! :)
20100716 04:27:03< KylePoole> Anyways the suggestion came up that iWesnoth should be completely free with a "pay what you want" system of donations. I'm supportive of that. Thoughts?
20100716 04:27:14< Valkier> morocai: I'm getting a Macbook Pro though. :-(
20100716 04:27:25< Aethaeryn> KylePoole: Why not have ads in the menu and then have some kind of system where donators can remove ads?
20100716 04:27:30< KylePoole> Full game for free, in-app purchase to donate $1-$10 what you think it is worth
20100716 04:27:32< mordocai> Valkier: Traitor!
20100716 04:27:35< Aethaeryn> I'm not 100% sure how it would work out but I was considering something like that.
20100716 04:27:44< Zerovirus> That'd be nice
20100716 04:27:48< Valkier> mordocai: I don't want to! Look! I'll install Windows 7!
20100716 04:28:11< Zerovirus> It doesn't really matter to me, though, because I got it for free >.>
20100716 04:28:20< mordocai> KylePoole: I would say no. People see free and think the game is worth nothing, and therefore won't play it. Especially iPhone users. There have been studies about it.
20100716 04:28:21< Zerovirus> Perhaps I'll donate a few dollars to make up for moral dissonance
20100716 04:28:24< KylePoole> Personally, my main concern is that I have worked on it more than 8 months fulltime, and am nowhere close to making back a normal income from that
20100716 04:28:43< Aethaeryn> hrmmmm
20100716 04:28:52< Aethaeryn> KylePoole: I can use your OpenGL code, right?
20100716 04:28:54< Zerovirus> Well, then, say that it's usually costing like 5 dollars
20100716 04:28:56< Zerovirus> And make it at 
20100716 04:28:57< Aethaeryn> If it's updated for 1.8
20100716 04:29:01< Zerovirus> "SPECIAL DISCOUNT THIS WEEK ONLY"
20100716 04:29:08< Zerovirus> for like 6 days a week
20100716 04:29:11< Zerovirus> Problem solved
20100716 04:29:17< Aethaeryn> KylePoole: Jetrel was telling me that if there's any part in particular to borrow from your code it would be the OpenGL part.
20100716 04:29:22< Aethaeryn> Apparently, it's really good or something.
20100716 04:29:35< mordocai> Valkier: Hmm... better. But i'm a linux fanboy. 
20100716 04:29:47< Valkier> morocai: Enjoy your non standard OS.
20100716 04:29:50< Aethaeryn> mordocai: we should build a supercomputer
20100716 04:29:57< Aethaeryn> that neither Mac OS X nor Windows 7 can run on.
20100716 04:30:00< Aethaeryn> too good specs :-)
20100716 04:30:09< Aethaeryn> And then put a fucking $0 OS on it.
20100716 04:30:17< KylePoole> mordocai: about the android help, I'd be willing to "help" in any way I can, however that port is a huge undertaking with limited financial gain, so I can not work fulltime on it. I have to make money to feed my baby.
20100716 04:30:31< mordocai> Valkier: Non standard in what way? It's POSIX. I believe it's a standard!
20100716 04:30:55< Valkier> morocai: How many industry standard programs are made for linux again?
20100716 04:31:00< mordocai> Aethaeryn: I agree. And do nothing but play wesnoth on it! And calculate the question to the great answer.
20100716 04:31:05< Aethaeryn> Valkier: Plenty, depends on your industry.
20100716 04:31:09< mordocai> Valkier: Quite a few, including oracle databases.
20100716 04:31:13< Aethaeryn> Server stuff.
20100716 04:31:23< Valkier> There's photos.. no... Wor... no... Certainly a 3D mod... no... Well how about mu- no...
20100716 04:31:23< Aethaeryn> Database stuff. High-end computational stuff.
20100716 04:31:29< Aethaeryn> Serious computational stuff.
20100716 04:31:33< Aethaeryn> Not end-user toy apps.
20100716 04:31:41< Zerovirus> And once more we go off topic
20100716 04:31:46< Zerovirus> such is the fate of #wesnoth
20100716 04:31:50< Valkier> Zerovirus: My master plan is complete.
20100716 04:31:53< Aethaeryn> In fact, Pixar uses a Linux rendering farm I think.
20100716 04:32:08< Zerovirus> Ugh, I can foresee this going into reviews on Pixar films
20100716 04:32:08< mordocai> KylePoole: Yeah. I would say to sell it for android too. If you helped enough, i'm sure you'd get to share the profits. 
20100716 04:32:10< mordocai> Aethaeryn: They do
20100716 04:32:13< Zerovirus> and then reviews of the genre overall
20100716 04:32:15< Aethaeryn> I know that my university has at least one Linux cluster for computational purposes.
20100716 04:32:15< KylePoole> Aethaeryn: I rewrote a ton of code to use opengl for speed, that was the only way to get it running on a mobile device
20100716 04:32:18< Aethaeryn> it's kinda standard.
20100716 04:32:26< Zerovirus> followed by criticism on modern movie techniques against storytelling
20100716 04:32:30< Zerovirus> Wait, it's not going that way at all
20100716 04:32:31< Zerovirus> Huh.
20100716 04:32:36< Valkier> Dreamworks is better!
20100716 04:32:37< shadowmaster> KylePoole: are you the real Kyle Poole?
20100716 04:32:38< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: Oh come on. Pixar is nice.
20100716 04:32:40< Zerovirus> dammit.
20100716 04:32:43< Aethaeryn> For kids movies.
20100716 04:32:53< Zerovirus> Oh god what have I done
20100716 04:32:53< mordocai> shadowmaster: Of course he's going to -tell- you he is.
20100716 04:32:54< Aethaeryn> Wall-e was a brilliant social commentary.
20100716 04:32:59< Aethaeryn> I'm serious.
20100716 04:33:00< mordocai> :)
20100716 04:33:01< Valkier> Aethaeryn: Not true. The first 10 minutes of Up made me want to cry myself to death.
20100716 04:33:05< Zerovirus> it's like reverse psychology to a higher magnitude of existence
20100716 04:33:10< Zerovirus> Up was horrible
20100716 04:33:17< Zerovirus> I felt like the ending didn't even match the start
20100716 04:33:21< Zerovirus> Like two movies glued together
20100716 04:33:30< Zerovirus> BUT ANYWAYS I DIDNT MEAN TO GO OFFTOPIC LIKE THIS
20100716 04:33:32< Valkier> That's because the start was the most depressing thing in the history of ever.
20100716 04:33:44< Valkier> The ending was depressing too!
20100716 04:33:51< Zerovirus> I really didn't like how they tried to express the morals of "Leave the past behind"
20100716 04:34:01< Valkier> Hey Zerovirus, you're off topic!
20100716 04:34:02< Valkier> Quit it!
20100716 04:34:09< Zerovirus> It felt really forced. Hey, shove your life's physical possessions out the door to save this dude!
20100716 04:34:09< KylePoole> shadowmaster: are you the real shadowmaster? how can I tell?
20100716 04:34:11< Valkier> The iPhone 4 needed to fail I think.
20100716 04:34:17< Zerovirus> Okay you've got me, I'm actually Gambit
20100716 04:34:24< shadowmaster> KylePoole: /whois shadowmater :P
20100716 04:34:26< Aethaeryn> Valkier: Android ftw.
20100716 04:34:27< Zerovirus> And Gambit's actually that old guy from Up
20100716 04:34:30< shadowmaster> I mean shadowmaster
20100716 04:34:35< Valkier> Aethaeryn: Hellz to the yeah
20100716 04:34:41< Gambit> What?
20100716 04:34:47< Aethaeryn> Gambit: exactly.
20100716 04:34:50< Valkier> Shadowmaster?
20100716 04:34:50< shadowmaster> 22:34:43 -!- shadowmaster [~ignacio@wesnoth/developer/shadowmaster]
20100716 04:34:50< shadowmaster> 22:34:43 -!-  ircname  : Ignacio R. Morelle <shadowm@wesnoth.org>
20100716 04:34:53< Valkier> KylePoole?
20100716 04:34:55< Aethaeryn> omfg.
20100716 04:34:59< Aethaeryn> Ignacio R. Morelle!
20100716 04:35:04< Valkier> Is this me? Is this John Wayne?
20100716 04:35:06< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: you need to become a fencing master.
20100716 04:35:15< Aethaeryn> You cannot do anything else with that name. It is your destiny.
20100716 04:35:22< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: why? Nobody has killed my father.
20100716 04:35:34< shadowmaster> and I'd really be grateful if someone did!
20100716 04:35:35< KylePoole> shadowmaster: ummm... ask me a question only the real KylePoole would know heheh
20100716 04:35:37< shadowmaster> (jk)
20100716 04:35:45< Aethaeryn> But... Ignacio.
20100716 04:35:53< Valkier> KylePoole: So what do you think? Is the iPhone 4 being a terrible device a good thing or a bad thing?
20100716 04:36:29< Aethaeryn> Valkier: It's not a terrible device.
20100716 04:36:31< mordocai> Valkier: He's an iphone developer... hmmm.... i wonder what his opinion is?
20100716 04:36:32< elvish_sovereign> Valkier: What?
20100716 04:36:38< KylePoole> Valkier: it's a great device, the most amazing display a handheld has seen, and still support for all old iphone apps
20100716 04:36:39< Aethaeryn> Valkier: it just isn't recommended because of issues with its hardware
20100716 04:36:41< Aethaeryn> such as being used as a phone
20100716 04:36:50< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: Obviously you need to pull a Solomon here.
20100716 04:36:55< Valkier> So it's really the iTouch 4. :-P
20100716 04:36:56< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: KylePoole *did* mention that he has a baby, after all.
20100716 04:36:57< shadowmaster> what's a Solomon?
20100716 04:37:03< elvish_sovereign> Aethaeryn: I heard tomrrow there's gonna be an update
20100716 04:37:04< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: And it ties into your swordmaster skills.
20100716 04:37:04< Zerovirus> Well, the iphone needs better graphics for opening up those folders
20100716 04:37:06< shadowmaster> is that a Bible thing?
20100716 04:37:12< Zerovirus> Because I can't really comment on anythign else
20100716 04:37:14< Valkier> KylePoole: It seems to me that when something is called a phone and then fails at being a phone, it has failed as a device.
20100716 04:37:15< Gambit> NRI#W
20100716 04:37:20< Aethaeryn> oh come on, the whole "saw a baby in half" thing is practically cliche
20100716 04:37:20< Gambit> shadowmaster: right? :D
20100716 04:37:25 * shadowmaster kicks Gambit 
20100716 04:37:28< elvish_sovereign> Valkier: c'mon
20100716 04:37:30< Gambit> Hahaha
20100716 04:37:37< elvish_sovereign> where's ancestral?
20100716 04:37:47< elvish_sovereign> ancestral siad it's a bluff
20100716 04:37:50< elvish_sovereign> said*
20100716 04:37:52< Gambit> shadowmaster: You know you love my IRC jokes.
20100716 04:37:59< Aethaeryn> Valkier: But it's an iPod, a Phone, and a Safari in one.
20100716 04:38:01< shadowmaster> Gambit: I know I don't.
20100716 04:38:07< Aethaeryn> Valkier: So clearly it only 1/3 fails.
20100716 04:38:08< shadowmaster> you don't know what I know.
20100716 04:38:12< Gambit> Not to... change the topic... or anything. :D
20100716 04:38:14< Valkier> elvish_sovereign: So if I have a toaster, and I call it a blender. It still toasts really well, but doesn't blend. Is it still a good blender?
20100716 04:38:23< elvish_sovereign> wait
20100716 04:38:31< Aethaeryn> Gambit: technically NRIW is no longer policy.
20100716 04:38:32< elvish_sovereign> i just said the reception issue is a bluff
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20100716 04:38:37< Aethaeryn> Gambit: for like at least a year
20100716 04:38:39< Aethaeryn> Gambit: so hah
20100716 04:38:45< elvish_sovereign> I went to the apple store and tried
20100716 04:38:47< shadowmaster>  Aethaeryn technically it never was.
20100716 04:38:56< elvish_sovereign> every sing;e on e there worked
20100716 04:38:58< Valkier> elvish_sovereign: I read the moon is made of cheese. Is it true?
20100716 04:39:02< Zerovirus> Yes
20100716 04:39:07< elvish_sovereign> Yes
20100716 04:39:10< shadowmaster> there's a widespread misunderstanding about NRIW.
20100716 04:39:10< Valkier> Oh good
20100716 04:39:13< Gambit> Special moon cheese
20100716 04:39:16< shadowmaster> but it doesn't matter, since users like to get the wrong impression about stuff.
20100716 04:39:17< Aethaeryn> Valkier: The moon is made of aether. Damn it.
20100716 04:39:17< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100716 04:39:21< Aethaeryn> Valkier: You're so uninformed.
20100716 04:39:23< Gambit> That tastes, looks, feels, smells, et cetera like rock and dust!
20100716 04:39:26< Valkier> Cause it would take a universe where a moon was made of cheese to consider the iPhone 4, good.
20100716 04:39:29< elvish_sovereign> Aethaeryn: no! Cheese!
20100716 04:39:29< Zerovirus> The moon is made of Lift and Nothingness.
20100716 04:39:42< elvish_sovereign> argh no
20100716 04:39:58< elvish_sovereign> hmm
20100716 04:40:00< Zerovirus> Oh wait no, the Moon is made of Lift, Welkin, and Nothingness.
20100716 04:40:02< Aethaeryn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_%28classical_element%29
20100716 04:40:02< elvish_sovereign> ancestral's not here
20100716 04:40:10< Zerovirus> Can't forget the Welkin, it make it all ethereal and chewy.
20100716 04:40:11< Aethaeryn> Valkier: The stuff in the sky is all aether. Duh.
20100716 04:40:32< Aethaeryn> Valkier: and so is the iPhone.
20100716 04:40:46< mordocai> I just hate Apple on principle, because of their walled garden.
20100716 04:40:48< Aethaeryn> Valkier: "aether had no qualities (was neither hot, cold, wet, or dry), was incapable of change (with the exception of change of place), and by its nature moved in circles"
20100716 04:40:55< elvish_sovereign> ahh
20100716 04:41:05< elvish_sovereign> well if you just hate i, i have nothing to say
20100716 04:41:06< Aethaeryn> see what I'm getting at now? ;-P
20100716 04:41:10< Valkier> KylePoole: I think the iPhone 4 being terrible is a good thing. It means Apple will either have to support its customers and admit they did something wrong, or they will make a device that isn't obsolete on release.
20100716 04:41:14< elvish_sovereign> hate it*
20100716 04:41:25< Gambit> I hate apples on principle for being very hard to eat with braces
20100716 04:41:25< mordocai> Gambit: Very true. Don't you find #wesnoth to be a wonderful place for discussion?
20100716 04:41:34< Zerovirus> Define discussion.
20100716 04:41:37< elvish_sovereign> no
20100716 04:41:40< Valkier> The communist party has done so much good for the tobacco farmers.
20100716 04:41:40< Gambit> mordocai: [insert I told him so]
20100716 04:41:43< Aethaeryn> Zerovirus: Increasingly loud shouting.
20100716 04:41:49< Zerovirus> YEAH PRETTY MUCH
20100716 04:41:52< Zerovirus> WHOO
20100716 04:41:53< Valkier> WAT?!
20100716 04:41:54< mordocai> Gambit: hehehehe
20100716 04:41:54< Aethaeryn> CAPS LOCKS IS COOL.
20100716 04:42:01< Valkier> CRUISE CONTROL GO!
20100716 04:42:02< elvish_sovereign> YEAH!
20100716 04:42:04< Zerovirus> You know SM's going to tell us to knock it off in
20100716 04:42:05< Zerovirus> 3
20100716 04:42:05< Zerovirus> 2
20100716 04:42:06< Zerovirus> 1
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20100716 04:42:07< Zerovirus> ...
20100716 04:42:11< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100716 04:42:13< shadowmaster> KylePoole: sorry for doubting you :P
20100716 04:42:19< Zerovirus> Okay that's not what I said you would say
20100716 04:42:20< Aethaeryn> VALKIER: BTW THE Iphone IS MADE OF AETHER SINCE IT MOVES AROUND IN CIRCLES AND DOESN'T CHANGE? GET IT? LOL.
20100716 04:42:22< Zerovirus> so hurry up and say it
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20100716 04:42:34< Gambit> Aethaeryn: That was awesome.
20100716 04:42:38< elvish_sovereign> Aethaeryn: YES WE ALL KNO THAT
20100716 04:42:39< Valkier> Aethaeryn: Totally! But why you loud though?
20100716 04:43:07< mordocai> shadowmaster: Does that mean he is confirmed as the real kyle poole?
20100716 04:43:16< Gambit> mordocai: Yes. get the sack!
20100716 04:43:19< Gambit> :\
20100716 04:43:21< shadowmaster> mordocai: exactly.
20100716 04:43:34< Gambit> KylePoole: For the record I love what you did and think it's a real shame what's happening.
20100716 04:43:41< shadowmaster> combining phpBB tricks with IRC.
20100716 04:43:48< shadowmaster> ;P
20100716 04:43:54< Valkier> I think it's great that Apple has moved on from PCs and made SJ computers.
20100716 04:43:54< Zerovirus> I'm having a bit of trouble making the Hell Guardian increase with the same magnitude of coolness as its lv2 version.
20100716 04:43:57< Zerovirus> Any tips?
20100716 04:44:05< Gambit> Wesnoth should be spread to absolutely everything that can run it.
20100716 04:44:07< mordocai> KylePoole: Same here. Too bad Apple is the new evil empire, or you'd be fine :)
20100716 04:44:07< Valkier> Zerovirus: Links?
20100716 04:44:15< Zerovirus> Uh, not yet
20100716 04:44:18< KylePoole> what is wrong with a "walled garden" on iphone? developing for it is 100x better than any phone before it <shudder>
20100716 04:44:22< elvish_sovereign> lawl
20100716 04:44:38< Aethaeryn> mordocai: No, damn it. *I* am the new evil empire. Why the hell does everyone try to give a company a credit for what I am trying to do? DAMN.
20100716 04:44:42< Valkier> KylePoole: 200,000 apps and the majority are fart sounds.
20100716 04:44:42< mordocai> KylePoole: I prefer freedom over ease of use.
20100716 04:44:57< Zerovirus> screw this, I'm redrawing the shoulderpads
20100716 04:44:59< Gambit> Valkier: troll much?
20100716 04:45:05< mordocai> Aethaeryn: Because you have not yet done anything evil? (Unless you are secretly hitler reborn)
20100716 04:45:13< Zerovirus> The shoulderpads are the #1 place for added cool
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20100716 04:45:27< KylePoole> The public decides with their $$ what is successful on the appstore. If the people pay for fart apps, then more fart apps are created to fill the need
20100716 04:45:44< mordocai> KylePoole: That's how android works, except with little to no restrictions.
20100716 04:45:55< Aethaeryn> mordocai: Worse, I have both KDE and GNOME, both vi and emacs, and both Firefox and Chrome... installed on the same machine!
20100716 04:46:27< mordocai> Aethaeryn: Add using a iPhone/Mac and you win.
20100716 04:46:45< KylePoole> to prevent fart apps, are you suggesting that apple not allow people to publish fart apps to their store??
20100716 04:47:03< Aethaeryn> mordocai: I am considering installing Fedora 13 on a Macbook Pro as my next laptop next summer.
20100716 04:47:06< Aethaeryn> I like the hardware.
20100716 04:47:25< KylePoole> I installed windows 7 on a new iMac, it's awesome :D
20100716 04:47:27< Aethaeryn> Only a few come close on the PC side, such as Vaio.
20100716 04:47:43< KylePoole> but feels so wrong...
20100716 04:47:48< Aethaeryn> meh
20100716 04:47:48< Valkier> Vaio is BAD
20100716 04:47:55< Aethaeryn> Valkier: I know...
20100716 04:47:58< Valkier> It's like if piss were condensed into crap form.
20100716 04:48:01< Aethaeryn> it's stylish but all my instinct tells me they're...
20100716 04:48:02< Aethaeryn> meh.
20100716 04:48:10< Aethaeryn> At least Apple is built solid, unibody and all
20100716 04:48:15< mordocai> Aethaeryn: I like toshiba. And Asus.
20100716 04:48:25< mordocai> Aethaeryn: My favorite is ZaReason, though.
20100716 04:49:01< Aethaeryn> mordocai: My motherboard for the desktop computer I built is Asus, and since I built it, that's probably the biggest "brand" I can say it has.
20100716 04:49:06< Aethaeryn> And the desktop *is* pretty nice.
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20100716 04:49:39< Aethaeryn> Of course, I'm smart enough to know that having a nice server/desktop motherboard doesn't necessarily mean the laptops are good.
20100716 04:49:42< mordocai> Aethaeryn: Well, my desktop has a Gigabyte. I love it, except for the driver support. Linux can't seem to get any sensor readings from it. I only get sensor readings from my Nvidia graphics card.
20100716 04:49:44< elvish_sovereign> iww Zero left
20100716 04:49:49< elvish_sovereign> aww*
20100716 04:52:32 * mordocai hates the ambushes in crossroads.
20100716 04:52:43< mordocai> The units aren't hard to kill, they just interrupt my movement :(
20100716 04:52:56< Aethaeryn> mordocai: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131597
20100716 04:53:22< Aethaeryn> mordocai: and http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002U0KEPY/ref=oss_product
20100716 04:53:33< Aethaeryn> mordocai: and http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002KQ5KE8/ref=oss_product
20100716 04:53:39< Aethaeryn> essentially those are the most important elements of the set-up
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20100716 04:53:43< Aethaeryn> that I have
20100716 04:53:52< elvish_sovereign> ancestral!
20100716 04:54:02< Aethaeryn> and yeah, it's amazingly fast/smooth
20100716 04:54:22< ancestral> elvish_sovereign!
20100716 04:54:37< elvish_sovereign> explain to these poeple why the iPhone is a great phone.
20100716 04:54:42< mordocai> Aethaeryn: Well, I don't really feel like looking up the parts... but i have a Nvidia GeForce 9800 GTX (I think BFG? i'd have to look) and an Amd Phenom QuadCore 2.6 ghz black edition.
20100716 04:55:33< Aethaeryn> ah
20100716 04:55:33< mordocai> elvish_sovereign: Oh wait, I have it! Because you get to show your worship of the great god king: Steve Jobs!
20100716 04:55:41< Aethaeryn> comparable
20100716 04:55:47< elvish_sovereign> huh?
20100716 04:56:03< mordocai> elvish_sovereign: That's why the iPhone is a great phone1
20100716 04:56:13< Aethaeryn> mordocai: the reason I have the links to the parts handy is because I bought them about a month and a half ago or so... so they're on my order history still
20100716 04:56:13< elvish_sovereign> I was asking ancestral
20100716 04:56:17< elvish_sovereign> xD
20100716 04:56:37< mordocai> Aethaeryn: Oh yeah, mine was about a yearish ago I think.
20100716 04:56:49< ancestral> I don't need to explain why it's a great phone, but yes, it is a great phone
20100716 04:56:55< ancestral> bb in a bit
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20100716 04:57:02< elvish_sovereign> aww
20100716 04:57:04< mordocai> Aethaeryn: Maybe longer now. Cost about $1,200 at the time. (US)
20100716 04:57:11< Aethaeryn> Mine cost about $1400
20100716 04:57:26< Aethaeryn> because I went intel and also got a Full Tower
20100716 04:57:30< Aethaeryn> (for expansion purposes)
20100716 04:57:50< Aethaeryn> also because I uh... didn't budget in a sound card
20100716 04:57:50< Aethaeryn> <_<
20100716 04:57:52< Aethaeryn> >_>
20100716 04:58:07< mordocai> Aethaeryn: I think you got a better Motherboard. I got a fairly large tower, I dont' think quite full. I didn't get a sound card... i'm dealing with onboard. I plan on buying one soon lol.
20100716 04:58:18< Aethaeryn> oh, my tower is pretty damn large
20100716 04:58:20< Aethaeryn> you'd know it if you saw it
20100716 04:58:23< Aethaeryn> it has fucking wheels on it.
20100716 04:58:29< mordocai> lol
20100716 04:58:30< mordocai> nice
20100716 04:58:34< Valkier> Guys, guys. We don't want to hear you compare the size of your towers.
20100716 04:58:45< Valkier> Do that in private.
20100716 04:58:56< mordocai> Valkier: You're just jealous! :P
20100716 04:58:57< Aethaeryn> 5-6 HDD/SSD slots, 5-6 CD/DVD/Bluray/SD/etc. slots, 7 motherboard expansion slots
20100716 04:58:58< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100716 04:59:07< Aethaeryn> 4 or so fans, including a really huge one on the side
20100716 04:59:20< Aethaeryn> anyway, this case will probably outlast the motherboard
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20100716 04:59:23< mordocai> Aethaeryn: Yeah........ wait, I have a really huge fan on the side too! Hurray, I win! lol.
20100716 04:59:38< Aethaeryn> but yeah, I'm going to eventually probably do some kind of server setup
20100716 04:59:56< Aethaeryn> though by the time I do that I might move the current motherboard into a half tower and reuse the case with a newer motherboard
20100716 05:00:01< Aethaeryn> since it will be a while from now probably.
20100716 05:00:06< mordocai> Aethaeryn: The only cool thing about mine is i can OC the CPU to about 3 Ghz without it overheating, with stock cooling. I don't do it because I don't need it... but I like knowing that i can.
20100716 05:00:23< Aethaeryn> uh, mine's 2.80 GHz
20100716 05:00:39< mordocai> Aethaeryn: I wasn't saying it was better than yours :)
20100716 05:00:44< Aethaeryn> And I think intel has some kind of automatic overclocking technology where it can legitimately overclock but not use as many cores or something
20100716 05:00:46< mordocai> Aethaeryn: I was just saying what I liked about it.
20100716 05:00:49< Aethaeryn> up to about 3.2 or so GHz?
20100716 05:00:53< Aethaeryn> not sure have to check the i7 website.
20100716 05:01:05< Aethaeryn> but I could have gotten a better AMD if I spent the same price on it. 
20100716 05:01:10< Aethaeryn> I guess I'm a sucker for brandname.
20100716 05:01:36< Aethaeryn> Didn't want the CPU to fail or underperform though. In theory, there's a reason they're more expensive.
20100716 05:01:45< mordocai> Aethaeryn: Yeah, I didn't know if your model had it. They can shut down the other cores when they are unused, diverting the power to the other cores, and ramping up the speed. I'm a sucker for the AMD brand name.
20100716 05:02:03< Aethaeryn> ah, I tend to just go to the most popular part possible
20100716 05:02:10< Aethaeryn> since I build Linux boxen.
20100716 05:02:15< mordocai> Yeah
20100716 05:02:21< Aethaeryn> Most popular part possible, preferrably at least several months old.
20100716 05:02:24 * mordocai wtb manufacturer support for linux
20100716 05:02:35< Aethaeryn> Exception was the motherboard, but I knew it had good Linux support since it's a server motherboard
20100716 05:03:03< Aethaeryn> If you get a low-end server (which is still a pretty nice one for a desktop), you basically are getting it for Linux
20100716 05:03:08< Aethaeryn> Since UNIX and Windows Server are so damn expensive.
20100716 05:03:28< Aethaeryn> I've heard some people can set up whole Linux clusters for the price of the software fees they used to pay.
20100716 05:03:37< Aethaeryn> As in, hardware *and* software.
20100716 05:03:51< mordocai> Yeah. When I built one I knew plenty about hardware (in theory) but nothing about brands or how to look for a good deal, or what to buy for linux, etc. I hope to do better on my next one.
20100716 05:03:55< mordocai> built this one*
20100716 05:04:29< Aethaeryn> When I built this one I kinda just blindly blundered along and figured that if I went overbudget and overqualitied I wouldn't screw up
20100716 05:04:32< Aethaeryn> didn't.
20100716 05:04:37< Aethaeryn> Though I did learn an important lesson.
20100716 05:04:42< Aethaeryn> On how big a "full tower" actually is.
20100716 05:05:00< mordocai> :P
20100716 05:05:51< Aethaeryn> I was so close to bragging about my computer on my university LUG's mailing list
20100716 05:06:02< Valkier> NEEEEEEEEERD!
20100716 05:06:08< Valkier> Sick em' Ogre!
20100716 05:06:14< Aethaeryn> But I was too late... a professor who teaches numerical computation got a 12-core AMD to *replace* his quadcore.
20100716 05:06:24< Aethaeryn> So....
20100716 05:06:26< Aethaeryn> :-(
20100716 05:06:32< Valkier> So NEEEEEEEEEEEERD
20100716 05:06:48< mordocai> Valkier: You're on IRC too, you know.
20100716 05:06:55< Aethaeryn> Anyone who uses IRC is a geek of some sort.
20100716 05:06:59< mordocai> Valkier: That pretty much makes you a nerd.
20100716 05:07:00< Valkier> Yeah, but I have a royal frush.
20100716 05:07:01< Aethaeryn> At least someone who games too much.
20100716 05:07:14< Aethaeryn> There's really two types of IRC usages in the 21st century: FOSS and gaming.
20100716 05:07:21< Aethaeryn> So obviously Wesnoth is at a peculiar intersection.
20100716 05:07:26< Valkier> I just get on to be told I'
20100716 05:07:30< Valkier> I'm arting wrong.
20100716 05:07:46< Valkier> And then I ask how to Wesnoth, but I am ignored.
20100716 05:07:46< Aethaeryn> Valkier: Or to be told that computer science is the One True Major in college?
20100716 05:07:48< Aethaeryn> ;-)
20100716 05:07:49< KylePoole> Aethaeryn: if you use the web client to use IRC, you are *not* a nerd
20100716 05:08:06< Aethaeryn> KylePoole: I use irssi. A client without a GUI. Run in bash through screen.
20100716 05:08:16< Aethaeryn> KylePoole: And I'm about to detach the screen and ssh into it on my Nexus One.
20100716 05:08:19< Aethaeryn> So yeah.
20100716 05:08:19< mordocai> Aethaeryn: Isn't it the one true major?
20100716 05:08:21< Aethaeryn> I'm a nerd.
20100716 05:08:28< mordocai> Aethaeryn: Awww... I just use XChat.
20100716 05:08:39< Aethaeryn> Oh, and I'm connected to Port 7000
20100716 05:08:44< Valkier> I use IRCchat on my android phone!
20100716 05:08:46< Aethaeryn> which apparently is a secure link.
20100716 05:08:50< Valkier> That way I can nerd while I geek!
20100716 05:09:06< mordocai> Meh, i'm not worried about someone hacking into my IRC chat.
20100716 05:09:10< mordocai> I don't talk about serious stuff.
20100716 05:09:11< Aethaeryn> Valkier: I have AndroIRC installed for when i'm not at home
20100716 05:09:19< Aethaeryn> but I like using irssi over ssh when I'm on the local network.
20100716 05:09:25< Aethaeryn> since I can just seemlessly move between computers.
20100716 05:09:33< Valkier> Aethaeryn: Andchat is better. Should try it.
20100716 05:09:39< Aethaeryn> Some sessions have been my desktop, laptop, and phone.
20100716 05:09:43< Aethaeryn> Valkier: I'll try it if it's free.
20100716 05:09:47< Valkier> It is
20100716 05:09:52< Valkier> I don't buy apps. :-P
20100716 05:09:53< Aethaeryn> I haven't really had the need to use IRC
20100716 05:10:05< Aethaeryn> except at home 
20100716 05:10:13< Aethaeryn> Valkier: I basically just buy games.
20100716 05:10:19< Valkier> I use it while I'm out fighting crime.
20100716 05:10:21< Aethaeryn> Since *mostly* the good games are paid
20100716 05:10:27< Aethaeryn> there are a few good exceptions
20100716 05:10:28< Valkier> I have solitaire...
20100716 05:10:31 * mordocai wishes he had the money to pay for a smartphone. (mainly the monthly fees)
20100716 05:10:42< Aethaeryn> Solitare, Replica island, Real Blackjack
20100716 05:10:54< Valkier> I like my android mainly because I can customize it so much.
20100716 05:11:07< Aethaeryn> Mahjong
20100716 05:11:07< Valkier> Overclock your phone? Why YES!
20100716 05:11:09< Aethaeryn> Tetronimo
20100716 05:11:26< Aethaeryn> so about 1/3 of the games I have are free
20100716 05:11:47< Aethaeryn> I don't think I've bought a non-game
20100716 05:12:18< Valkier> I'd buy Wesnoth.
20100716 05:12:19< Aethaeryn> Valkier: try tetronimo if it wasn't removed when they killed a lot of clones that had "tetris" in the name
20100716 05:12:31< Aethaeryn> it's a good tetris
20100716 05:12:57< Aethaeryn> oh, it's still on there
20100716 05:13:01< Aethaeryn> there's an update for it actually
20100716 05:13:20< Valkier> Do you use launcher pro?
20100716 05:13:27< mordocai> Yeah, I was sad. My GNOME "tetris" is now name quadrapassel.
20100716 05:13:30< Aethaeryn> Valkier: for?
20100716 05:13:39< Valkier> For your UI...?
20100716 05:13:49< Aethaeryn> mordocai: yeah, it's sad how they all have to have some ridiculous name
20100716 05:13:52< Aethaeryn> and you have to tell by the icon :S
20100716 05:14:01< Aethaeryn> the official licensing of tetris have been weak...
20100716 05:14:04< Aethaeryn> except maybe on Facebook
20100716 05:14:14< Aethaeryn> and this is extrapolated since maybe the original Gameboy licensing
20100716 05:14:23< Aethaeryn> the clones are simply much better than tetris official
20100716 05:14:29< Aethaeryn> who just milk money on the name
20100716 05:14:37< mordocai> I'm starting crossroads over. 
20100716 05:14:43< elvish_sovereign> cool
20100716 05:14:44 * mordocai wonders what would be best to recall this time...
20100716 05:14:50< elvish_sovereign> Knights
20100716 05:14:59< elvish_sovereign> Heroes/Captains
20100716 05:15:00< Aethaeryn> Valkier: I honestly don't customize my phone that much, if at all.
20100716 05:15:03< elvish_sovereign> Rangers
20100716 05:15:05< Valkier> Lame
20100716 05:15:11< Valkier> You fail at androidz
20100716 05:15:12< Aethaeryn> Just like on my desktop, my principle is minimalism.
20100716 05:15:23< Valkier> Launcher pro is minimal.
20100716 05:15:26< Aethaeryn> As in, most of my time is lived in apps, full screen (duh on phone, but also on desktop)
20100716 05:15:33< elvish_sovereign> mordocai: make your stand right before the crossroad
20100716 05:15:42< Valkier> You get a dock bar at the bottom so you don't plague your screen with icons.
20100716 05:15:51< elvish_sovereign> being surrounded by the enemy is not a good thing
20100716 05:15:52< mordocai> Valkier: I would say you fail at life (my usual reply when someone says someone else fails at something) but I dont' really know you... so I won't.
20100716 05:15:54< Aethaeryn> k
20100716 05:15:55< Aethaeryn> brb
20100716 05:16:25< mordocai> elvish_sovereign: Yeah, I was trying around there. I'm trying to sneak my footpads through the hills (and the ambushes) to the enemy leader. Gets them some nice exp
20100716 05:16:39< elvish_sovereign> hmm
20100716 05:16:44< elvish_sovereign> I guess
20100716 05:17:03< Valkier> mordocai: Oh you know me. I am your mother, your father, your sister, your brother.
20100716 05:17:09< Valkier> I am your friend, your enemy.
20100716 05:17:10< elvish_sovereign> though I do take Elrian plus a bodyguard to get xp
20100716 05:17:11< Valkier> I am you.
20100716 05:17:18< elvish_sovereign> Valkier: lol
20100716 05:17:20< Valkier> I am Guy Fox!
20100716 05:17:31< mordocai> Valkier: Well, I'm your worst nightmare!
20100716 05:17:43< Valkier> I am the onion that makes you cry!
20100716 05:17:49< Valkier> I am the grapefruit that spits in your eye!
20100716 05:17:50< elvish_sovereign> mordocai: the secret to crossroads on hard os properly charging the orcs in the middle
20100716 05:17:54< Valkier> I am Darkwing Duck!
20100716 05:18:14< elvish_sovereign> alternate, make a stand with mostly elves in the forest in the south
20100716 05:18:24< Valkier> 90's cartoons, suckas. What now?
20100716 05:18:41< elvish_sovereign> of course, leave a Hero/Knight on the villages up there so they don;t sneak behind you
20100716 05:19:58< mordocai> Too bad Moremirmu is already a Mage of Light. He was fun to level.
20100716 05:20:09< elvish_sovereign> xD
20100716 05:20:23< Valkier> Too herp that Moremirmu is all ready a derp of light.
20100716 05:20:32< elvish_sovereign> I think Knights+their level ups are the secret to the first half of HttT
20100716 05:21:03< elvish_sovereign> then Mages+outlaws if you have them for the first half of the second part
20100716 05:21:17< elvish_sovereign> then together for the end with the elves added
20100716 05:21:17< mordocai> The problem is, I have 3 badass mermen. (An Entangler, hoplite, and priestess) and they aren't much good on this level.
20100716 05:21:32< elvish_sovereign> Next level they will be
20100716 05:21:37< elvish_sovereign> and eventually too
20100716 05:21:41< mordocai> Yeah, the Princess one.
20100716 05:22:10< elvish_sovereign> I think i did HttT hard only scouts+recalls Princess
20100716 05:22:19< elvish_sovereign> i mean
20100716 05:22:24< elvish_sovereign> up to the Princess scneario
20100716 05:22:37< elvish_sovereign> figuring VoD
20100716 05:24:55< mordocai> Yeah. I'm playing normal/hard at the same time, (checking out the level structure with normal, then playing hard), and crossroads is MUCH easier on normal. I think it's only because the leaders have more gold, though.
20100716 05:25:08< elvish_sovereign> yeah
20100716 05:25:23< elvish_sovereign> You haven't seen anything yet
20100716 05:25:28< elvish_sovereign> Princess is a nightmare
20100716 05:26:02< mordocai> Yeah. I remember when I did it last time I used a grand knight + paladin team, got around most of the enemies, and charged the princess.
20100716 05:26:12< elvish_sovereign> that won't work
20100716 05:26:16< elvish_sovereign> she's got pikemen
20100716 05:26:25< elvish_sovereign> no horsies
20100716 05:26:28< elvish_sovereign> until the end
20100716 05:26:32< elvish_sovereign> of the scenario
20100716 05:27:04< mordocai> Yeah. I think I managed to distract the pikemen somehow before... it's been awhile.
20100716 05:27:19< elvish_sovereign> you can imagine playing with scouts only
20100716 05:27:28< elvish_sovereign> I only had one answer to the solution
20100716 05:27:39< elvish_sovereign> (with Elvish_Pillager's help)
20100716 05:32:37< mordocai> So, I love that the statistics window shows campaign totals... but I wished it showed scenario ones as well.
20100716 05:32:49< elvish_sovereign> xD
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20100716 05:41:29< jaj> Valkier: darkwing FTW
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20100716 05:46:41< elvish_sovereign> gotta
20100716 05:46:43< elvish_sovereign> go
20100716 05:46:47< elvish_sovereign> see ya
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20100716 06:53:20< Soul_keeper> Is the scenarios folder optional for a map pack ?
20100716 06:53:42< shadowmaster> no directory is mandatory.
20100716 06:54:11< Soul_keeper> does that include the contents ? or can I leave it empty ?
20100716 06:54:12< shadowmaster> it all depends on how you organize your files and how you include them with the {} preprocessor directive
20100716 06:54:38< shadowmaster> so if you refer to a scenarios/ dir in your add-on, you'll definitely need to put something in there ;)
20100716 06:54:52< Soul_keeper> I have 22 maps here, I just don't want to make .cfg files for each one
20100716 06:55:26< shadowmaster> hm, no idea if that'd work
20100716 06:59:32< Soul_keeper> i've got them on the server
20100716 06:59:44< Soul_keeper> I guess i'll have to test them now :)
20100716 07:05:51< Soul_keeper> hmmm 2 addons 29 maps total, should be atleast 2 in there worth something
20100716 07:06:40< Soul_keeper> thanks
20100716 07:16:35< shadowmaster> np
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20100716 07:20:20< Soul_keeper> I don't think it's working right
20100716 07:22:50< Soul_keeper> I guess I have to have the cfg files, or they won't show up in the list after I download them
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20100716 09:02:31< Soul_keeper> shadowmaster, all updated now :)
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20100716 09:13:02< Ivanovic> moin
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20100716 10:59:05< Unnheulu> Valkier, Jetrel is just begging you to draw an overweight Delfador now :D
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20100716 11:14:03< Valkier> Wha?
20100716 11:14:06< Valkier> Who?
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20100716 11:14:55< Unnheulu> His post clarifying that stuff
20100716 11:15:00< Valkier> ahh
20100716 11:15:06< Valkier> But who is Delfador?
20100716 11:15:13< Unnheulu> -.-
20100716 11:15:16< Unnheulu> The wizard?
20100716 11:15:22< Valkier> oooh
20100716 11:15:27< Unnheulu> 2 campaigns and a tutorial after him? ;)
20100716 11:15:37< Valkier> Heh
20100716 11:15:47< Valkier> If esr wants an overweight delfador, so be it.
20100716 11:15:52< Unnheulu> Just think of the mayhem if you drew an overweight one :D
20100716 11:16:30< Valkier> Yeah, I'm not going to invite anyone like DUHH to pull that crap again.
20100716 11:16:46< Unnheulu> What did DUHH do?
20100716 11:17:08< Valkier> Hamels portrait has been done for over a week. Suddenly he pops up and asks if I'd mind changing anything.
20100716 11:17:15< Unnheulu> Ah :P
20100716 11:17:23< Valkier> No thanks. I'm moving on. :-P
20100716 11:17:46< Unnheulu> Well...on that note...
20100716 11:17:53< Unnheulu> Hamel needs to have more hair
20100716 11:17:57< Valkier> Nope
20100716 11:18:00< Valkier> He doesn't.
20100716 11:18:00< Unnheulu> His armour should be leather
20100716 11:18:13< Unnheulu> His axe is too small
20100716 11:18:19< Valkier> :-P
20100716 11:18:25< Unnheulu> He should have a tunic under his armour
20100716 11:18:29< Unnheulu> ... I'll stop now :P
20100716 11:18:40< Valkier> No, you can keep going.
20100716 11:18:47< Valkier> It's just not going to matter. ;-)
20100716 11:18:54< Unnheulu> :P
20100716 11:20:02 * Unnheulu wishes he was more creative
20100716 11:20:18< Valkier> Go learn
20100716 11:20:22< Valkier> Mwahahaha!
20100716 11:20:24< Unnheulu> Bah
20100716 11:20:41< Unnheulu> I dropped art and music for a reason (I suck at it :P)
20100716 11:22:09< Unnheulu> I've always wondered why axes like Hamel's don't just slide forward out've their hands (cause of the weight of the head)
20100716 11:22:46< Valkier> It does and it doesn't.
20100716 11:23:06< Valkier> If you swing properly, the motion of force never allows it to slide.
20100716 11:23:25< Valkier> You'd push with the hand closest to the blade, and pull with the one in the back.
20100716 11:24:28< Valkier> But also, the handle is usually curved a bit in the middle, so even when it begins to slide, it's easy to keep hold of.
20100716 11:24:45< Valkier> The taper in the middle combined with the curve just makes it easier.
20100716 11:24:49< Unnheulu> So...you don't just draw, you know the theory to?
20100716 11:25:21< Unnheulu> http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=35467
20100716 11:25:24< Valkier> I have to. Otherwise nothing I drew would make functional sense.
20100716 11:25:28< Unnheulu> I see the difference between the Hamels :D
20100716 11:25:47< Valkier> Yeah. His is lazy and fat. Mine can bench press a house.
20100716 11:26:12< Unnheulu> I personally prefer yours
20100716 11:26:51< Valkier> Well thank ya.
20100716 11:26:54< zookeeper> Unnheulu, uhh, friction does wonders
20100716 11:27:55< Valkier> zookeeper: Shhh! Physics are magic! Nobody knows how it works!
20100716 11:28:08< thespaceinvader> DUHH's is an elder statesman - he's the original guy living how he wanted to live, not how he was forced to live during asheviere's reign
20100716 11:28:36< zookeeper> if you can swing a stick without it flying out of your hand, then it's not that much different from swinging something with a bit of weight in the other end
20100716 11:29:22< zookeeper> it's not like you're swinging it in the direction of the shaft anyway, in which case you'd need to grip tighter to keep your hold of it
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20100716 11:29:49< Valkier> Now ya done gone and scared him away.
20100716 11:29:58< zookeeper> you're welcome
20100716 11:30:02< Valkier> lol
20100716 11:30:10 * Valkier high fives
20100716 11:30:30< Valkier> In any case, my Hamel is done. :-P
20100716 11:30:34< Valkier> So thbbbbbbbbt
20100716 11:30:58< Valkier> I should start two more tomorrow. :-/
20100716 11:32:05< Valkier> There's not actually a whole hell of a lot to do on Elenia.
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20100716 11:34:58< Eggxplosion> Hi.
20100716 11:37:36< Eggxplosion> Is it legal for an ISP to run a server of a GPL game?
20100716 11:38:15< Eggxplosion> My ISP (South Telecom) runs servers of two open games.
20100716 11:38:54< thespaceinvader> suggest crossposting the question to #wesnoth-dev, but AFAIK yes  IANAL however
20100716 11:41:46< Eggxplosion> Teeworlds and OpenTTD are the 2 o-src games my ISP runs. But those servers are mainly used for ISP-run contests, so they're dead most of the time.
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20100716 11:43:03< Unnheulu> Valkier: please draw an overweight Delfador :)
20100716 11:43:10< Unnheulu> I'll be your best friend for life if you do
20100716 11:43:42< Eggxplosion> Delf's getting fat in storyline?
20100716 11:44:12< Eggxplosion> ugh, that's gonna drive many "campaign gamers" off.
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20100716 11:45:43< Unnheulu> If I don't work out how to change KDE's resolution and stuff soon I'm heading back to xfce...
20100716 11:46:07< Unnheulu> Meh, I'm going back anyway
20100716 11:49:59< sevis> xrandr?
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20100716 12:50:19< Unnheulu> hahaha
20100716 12:50:31< Unnheulu> I just decided to go onto runescape for some reason
20100716 12:50:42< Unnheulu> I forgot that no-one talks with full sentences
20100716 12:51:00< Unnheulu> So now I have this "native" canadian kid swearing and me and calling me a noob
20100716 12:51:28< Rhonda> But you are.
20100716 12:53:13< Unnheulu> Opinion :)
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20100716 14:34:07< Unnheulu> Interesting vocabularly
20100716 14:34:12< Unnheulu> *vocabulary
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20100716 15:13:46< Unnheulu> Anyone wanna play Battle of Meridia in mp?
20100716 15:14:16< Unnheulu> s/of/for/
20100716 15:15:04< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader, wanna play me? (I'm not great, but I wanna try your era :P)
20100716 15:15:16< thespaceinvader> why not
20100716 15:15:27< thespaceinvader> you updated to the latest version?
20100716 15:15:36< Unnheulu> I just downloaded it a few minutes ago, so I guess
20100716 15:16:42< Unnheulu> Shall I create the game?
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20100716 15:17:08< thespaceinvader> yeah, you have
20100716 15:17:11< thespaceinvader> yeah, feel free
20100716 15:17:24< Unnheulu> Any maps in particular it plays well on?
20100716 15:18:02< Unnheulu> Meh, I'm in Hamlets
20100716 15:18:05< thespaceinvader> i've only played two games
20100716 15:18:08< thespaceinvader> so i have no idea
20100716 15:18:10< Unnheulu> Heh :)
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20100716 16:14:38< e_s-iOS> Hmm....Gambit's not on? That's a first...
20100716 16:18:04< Unnheulu> Hey, thespaceinvader, "Vladcara's Game" is using BfM
20100716 16:18:28< e_s-iOS> xD
20100716 16:18:31< thespaceinvader> cool cool
20100716 16:19:06< Unnheulu> I recognised the meridians :)
20100716 16:19:31< Unnheulu> Like 80 turns in or something
20100716 16:19:50< thespaceinvader> meh, it's a mirror
20100716 16:20:12< Unnheulu> Hmm?
20100716 16:20:14< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100716 16:20:32< thespaceinvader> that was the other thing you could have done - leadership is a powerful ability when you have level 0s at your disposal
20100716 16:20:32< Unnheulu> Ah
20100716 16:20:40< Unnheulu> Meridians upon Meridians
20100716 16:20:45< thespaceinvader> mirror match
20100716 16:20:47< thespaceinvader> yeah
20100716 16:20:49< Unnheulu> I'm still on turn 13
20100716 16:20:51< e_s-iOS> Muadada
20100716 16:20:57< e_s-iOS> Wha?
20100716 16:21:00< e_s-iOS> Muahahaha
20100716 16:21:03< thespaceinvader> what map is this?
20100716 16:21:04< Unnheulu> 19
20100716 16:21:08< Unnheulu> I dunno
20100716 16:21:12< Unnheulu> Don't recognise it
20100716 16:21:27< Unnheulu> With the town names and stuff I'd guess random
20100716 16:21:28< e_s-iOS> Screenshot it
20100716 16:23:09< Unnheulu> Cool, level 3 incendius
20100716 16:25:14< Unnheulu> Game seems decided
20100716 16:25:25< Unnheulu> Although, then again, maybe not
20100716 16:26:41< Unnheulu> Good recovery
20100716 16:26:49< Unnheulu> Omg, phalanx :D:D
20100716 16:27:00< Unnheulu> "The Tower"...wicked name :)
20100716 16:28:35< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader, what's the point of having so many canon attacks?
20100716 16:28:44< thespaceinvader> ?
20100716 16:28:55< Unnheulu> On the Dual Infernus
20100716 16:29:48< thespaceinvader> one is melee fire-throwing, the other is ranged explosive ammo
20100716 16:30:12< Unnheulu> But two ranged?
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20100716 16:31:12< Unnheulu> I'd retreat if I was vladcara
20100716 16:31:14< Unnheulu> Too late :?
20100716 16:31:15< Unnheulu> :/
20100716 16:33:27< Unnheulu> Segfault
20100716 16:34:09< Unnheulu> Anyone wanna play me in BfM?
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20100716 16:34:54< Unnheulu> e_s-iOS, fancy going to your pc?
20100716 16:38:25< Unnheulu> Anyone wanna do Hornshark Islands with BfM?
20100716 16:39:01< Unnheulu> Too late now :)
20100716 16:39:35< Unnheulu> Meridian League vs Untamed
20100716 16:40:17< Unnheulu> Anyone wanna observe my loss?
20100716 16:42:25< Unnheulu> My opponent just OOS'ed out
20100716 16:42:34< Unnheulu> Anyone wanna play me in Hornshark?
20100716 16:44:32< Sacho> would have to compile the latest version:|
20100716 16:44:49< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu: I can in about an hour
20100716 16:44:53< Unnheulu> Ok
20100716 16:47:21< Unnheulu> Anyone wanna game then?
20100716 16:51:33< e_s-iOS> mordocai: Did you get to Princess yet?
20100716 16:54:09< e_s-iOS> Looks like I gotta go
20100716 16:54:27< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu: I'll meet you in battle in an hour
20100716 16:54:32< e_s-iOS> xD
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20100716 17:17:25< thespaceinvader> Unnheulu: regarding the level 3 cannon: it has one attack that is both barrels, one one barrel per strike
20100716 17:17:39< thespaceinvader> gives you better chances of killing high HP targets etc
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20100716 17:20:41< Zerovirus> Oh hi you came back
20100716 17:20:44< Zerovirus> Anyways where are you
20100716 17:21:06< Unnheulu> Internet crash
20100716 17:21:12< Unnheulu> Game name Battle for Meridia
20100716 17:21:30< Unnheulu> Dunno if I've ghosted out of the server because of my internet though...
20100716 17:22:03< Unnheulu> Can't wait till 1.8.3 compiles, lobby is slow
20100716 17:22:28< Zerovirus> Eh, you make the game I guess
20100716 17:22:36< Unnheulu> Kay
20100716 17:22:40< Unnheulu> Restarting wesnoth, hang on
20100716 17:22:52 * Unnheulu needs a better processor and stuff
20100716 17:23:30< Unnheulu> Kay, hosting
20100716 17:26:48< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader, wanna observe a aracaya vs meridian?
20100716 17:27:16< Zerovirus> Wait, you're aracaya now?
20100716 17:27:18< Zerovirus> Huh.
20100716 17:27:24< Unnheulu> Yeah
20100716 17:27:28< thespaceinvader> eh, i need to work
20100716 17:27:33< Unnheulu> I switched because it was a mirror, remember?
20100716 17:27:40< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader, sure, don't worry :)
20100716 17:27:47< Unnheulu> Just thought you'd want to see your era in action
20100716 17:28:37< thespaceinvader> mm, i'd prefer to get more done though ;)
20100716 17:28:59< Zerovirus> You could totally watch and do worka t the same time
20100716 17:29:04< Zerovirus> I do it all the time and it's SUPER EFFECTIVE
20100716 17:29:13< Zerovirus> Then again I've never really done much work in the first place
20100716 17:29:34< Unnheulu> The Aracaya remind me of the Minotaurs
20100716 17:36:50< Zerovirus> The Aracaya remind me of the Primevals
20100716 17:42:34< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader, definitely a major balance difference between Meridians and Aracayans
20100716 17:42:38< Unnheulu> *Major*
20100716 17:42:51< thespaceinvader> meridia got pasted again?
20100716 17:42:53< thespaceinvader> yeah
20100716 17:43:19< Zerovirus> I think it's because Call is overpowered
20100716 17:43:26< Zerovirus> All I have are lv0s for the meat of my army
20100716 17:43:35< Zerovirus> and Call creates a roughly equivalantly strong unit
20100716 17:43:44< Zerovirus> so It's more effective against meridians than anyone else
20100716 17:43:55< Zerovirus> Perhaps change it so it only affects lv1s and above?
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20100716 17:46:41< Zerovirus> Also, the incendius is a legendary tank on hill or mountain
20100716 17:47:33< Unnheulu> Depower shaman and incendius
20100716 17:47:45< Unnheulu> Improve the strength of Meridian overall
20100716 17:48:01< Zerovirus> Yeah, I'm killing everything with a single pig :P
20100716 17:49:16< Unnheulu> The pigs head is in the mountain...
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20100716 17:51:11< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu: Gimme ten minutes
20100716 17:51:22< Unnheulu> Yeah, meridian got annihilated by the aracaya
20100716 17:51:30< e_s-iOS> Lol
20100716 17:51:40< e_s-iOS> So
20100716 17:51:58< e_s-iOS> What Dix you think of the atmosphere of my blog anyway?
20100716 17:52:00< Zerovirus> I made a small comeback with pig spam
20100716 17:52:02< e_s-iOS> Did*
20100716 17:52:11< e_s-iOS> Lawl
20100716 17:52:15< Zerovirus> Killed a dozen buggers before I got leadersniped :P
20100716 17:52:15< Unnheulu> e_s-iOS, small
20100716 17:52:24< e_s-iOS> Small what?
20100716 17:52:43< Unnheulu> Small blog
20100716 17:52:51< e_s-iOS> I mean, I just started
20100716 17:53:04< e_s-iOS> Yesterday
20100716 17:53:34< e_s-iOS> I do intend to blog somewhat normally at least until school starts again
20100716 17:55:16< e_s-iOS> Disconnecting
20100716 17:55:28< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu: I am going to my computer
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20100716 17:55:32< Unnheulu> Ok
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20100716 18:03:01< elvish_sovereign> Unnheulu: ready?
20100716 18:03:11< Unnheulu> elvish_sovereign, I'm palying Zerovirus atm
20100716 18:03:17< Unnheulu> elvish_sovereign, wanna observe?
20100716 18:03:18< elvish_sovereign> ah wait
20100716 18:03:24< elvish_sovereign> i need to download it first
20100716 18:03:25< elvish_sovereign> nah
20100716 18:03:28< Unnheulu> Kay
20100716 18:03:31< elvish_sovereign> i'll go study the units
20100716 18:03:47< elvish_sovereign> maybe I'll come a teeny bit later
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20100716 18:09:45< elvish_sovereign> Unnheulu: when you two are done beep me on IRC
20100716 18:09:54< Unnheulu> elvish_sovereign, observe
20100716 18:10:01< Unnheulu> We have velensk giving us tips on the faction
20100716 18:10:06< elvish_sovereign> i'm studying the units now
20100716 18:10:09< elvish_sovereign> in a bit
20100716 18:11:33< elvish_sovereign> thespaceinvader: looking through the units, I think you got the Savage and Feral sprites mixed up
20100716 18:11:44< thespaceinvader> i did?
20100716 18:11:49< elvish_sovereign> seems so
20100716 18:11:56< elvish_sovereign> the Feral is smaller than the Savage
20100716 18:12:34< thespaceinvader> bugger, you're correct
20100716 18:12:38< elvish_sovereign> xD
20100716 18:14:42< thespaceinvader> good catch, thanks
20100716 18:14:44< thespaceinvader> fixed now
20100716 18:14:50< elvish_sovereign> cool
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20100716 18:16:18< elvish_sovereign> also, isn't it spelled 'ancestor'?
20100716 18:16:25< elvish_sovereign> or is that american?
20100716 18:16:30< elvish_sovereign> thespaceinvader: ^
20100716 18:16:57< thespaceinvader> um
20100716 18:16:59< thespaceinvader> yes
20100716 18:17:00< thespaceinvader> it is
20100716 18:17:06< thespaceinvader> but it is in the add-on
20100716 18:17:08< Unnheulu> And plainwalker :P
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20100716 18:17:50< thespaceinvader> mm Unnheulu that one's fixed, i think your copy must have been out of date
20100716 18:18:00< thespaceinvader> unless i messed up the upload
20100716 18:18:05< Unnheulu> thespaceinvader, I just downloaded mine earlier
20100716 18:18:05< elvish_sovereign> hmm
20100716 18:18:14< Unnheulu> Like 10-15mins before I played you
20100716 18:18:17< elvish_sovereign> level 2 and 3 tracker have the same name?
20100716 18:18:18< elvish_sovereign> hunter
20100716 18:18:55< elvish_sovereign> Unnheulu: are you two still playing?
20100716 18:18:59< Unnheulu> Yay
20100716 18:19:42< thespaceinvader> e_s: no longer
20100716 18:19:43< thespaceinvader> fixed
20100716 18:19:47< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100716 18:19:48< elvish_sovereign> :)
20100716 18:19:59< elvish_sovereign> just went through all the units to study them
20100716 18:20:09< elvish_sovereign> that's what i do when i get a new faction
20100716 18:20:15< elvish_sovereign> i love :debug
20100716 18:20:49< Unnheulu> That ruins the fun imo
20100716 18:22:57< elvish_sovereign> not for me
20100716 18:23:00< elvish_sovereign> i like to win ;)
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20100716 18:33:24< elvish_sovereign> Unnheulu: you create or I create?
20100716 18:33:29< Unnheulu> I will
20100716 18:33:31< Unnheulu> 1.8.0
20100716 18:33:39< elvish_sovereign> i have 1.8.3
20100716 18:33:40< Unnheulu> So wrong lobby
20100716 18:33:44< elvish_sovereign> so should be okay
20100716 18:33:44< Unnheulu> 1.8.3 is compiling
20100716 18:33:50< elvish_sovereign> lawl
20100716 18:33:50< Unnheulu> Where shall we go?
20100716 18:33:59< elvish_sovereign> anywhere
20100716 18:34:02< Unnheulu> Hosting
20100716 18:34:09< elvish_sovereign> just not Elensefar/s Courtyard
20100716 18:34:18< elvish_sovereign> ooh
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20100716 18:44:00< Unnheulu> Zerovirus, I'm sudo make install-ing, so I'll be away from lobby for a few mins
20100716 18:44:39< Zerovirus> Okay
20100716 18:44:48< Zerovirus> tell me when you get back because I'm closing it for now
20100716 18:44:55< Unnheulu> kay
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20100716 19:03:43< Unnheulu> elvish_sovereign, back?
20100716 19:09:32< Grickit> Unnheulu, He said very untoward things about a certain google product this morning.
20100716 19:09:39< Grickit> So he has been banned from the internet.
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20100716 19:14:05< Valkier> Good afternoon, fellas.
20100716 19:14:25< elvish_sovereign> Unnheulu: ehh
20100716 19:14:29< elvish_sovereign> i have to go 
20100716 19:14:59< elvish_sovereign> I guess we have to wait
20100716 19:15:00< elvish_sovereign> sorry
20100716 19:16:10< elvish_sovereign> Grickit: grr
20100716 19:17:08< Grickit> elvish_sovereign, :)
20100716 19:17:14< Grickit> Eww I don't like xchat at all
20100716 19:17:14< elvish_sovereign> lawl
20100716 19:17:19< elvish_sovereign> me neither
20100716 19:17:23< Grickit> it's tab completion is case sensitive? wtf...
20100716 19:17:26< Grickit> *its
20100716 19:17:36< elvish_sovereign> are you on linux?
20100716 19:17:40< Grickit> Yes.
20100716 19:17:41< elvish_sovereign> ubuntu?
20100716 19:17:47< elvish_sovereign> cool
20100716 19:17:48< Grickit> xubuntu yeah
20100716 19:17:54< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100716 19:18:05< Grickit> when CF and java are done I'll probably get quassel
20100716 19:18:14 * Grickit hopes that linux coldfusion supports .mdb ...
20100716 19:18:27< Grickit> otherwise I'll have to use windows for web design D:
20100716 19:18:43< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100716 19:18:46< Grickit> Which kind of breaks my "on reason to stay on windows except that it's familiar" epiphany
20100716 19:19:00< Grickit> *no
20100716 19:19:04< Unnheulu> Grickit, xubuntu, really?
20100716 19:19:15< Grickit> Unnheulu, Yes. Why not?
20100716 19:19:28< Valkier> You stay on windows because it is the master race. Duh.
20100716 19:19:33< Unnheulu> Grickit, I'm on XUbuntu, and XChat-gnome's hillight works fine
20100716 19:19:45< Unnheulu> The -gnome shouldn't change much
20100716 19:19:48< Grickit> Best linux distro + fastest window manager
20100716 19:19:51< Grickit> or something like that
20100716 19:19:52< elvish_sovereign> Grickit: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/2i5avg
20100716 19:19:53< elvish_sovereign> ;)
20100716 19:20:23< Grickit> elvish_sovereign, I saw that. Hence: <Grickit> Unnheulu, He said very untoward things about a certain google product this morning.
20100716 19:20:23< Grickit> <Grickit> So he has been banned from the internet.
20100716 19:20:30< elvish_sovereign> I kno
20100716 19:20:34< elvish_sovereign> I am tanuting you again
20100716 19:20:40< elvish_sovereign> taunting*
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20100716 19:20:51< elvish_sovereign> xD
20100716 19:26:41< Unnheulu> shadowmaster, another forum game thread just ripe for the squashing
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20100716 20:24:50< Valkier> Zerovirus: WOW! That's a big sprite!
20100716 20:28:37< PetePorty> link link link!
20100716 20:29:49< PetePorty> gee, thankx
20100716 20:31:03< PetePorty> anyways, anyone up for a wesnoth match?
20100716 20:31:48< PetePorty> :/
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20100716 20:39:29< Zerovirus> Oh wow people are talking about me and I didn't notice for 8 minutes
20100716 20:40:23< Valkier> Well now we're bored with you!
20100716 20:40:30< PetePorty> lol
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20100716 20:50:06< Zerovirus> And it's another ten minutes before I realize people are talking to me
20100716 20:50:10< Zerovirus> I need to stop multitasking
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20100716 20:57:06< PetePorty> lol
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20100716 21:20:14< Guest320630> argh, I can't play wesnoth anymore.... I'm too used to fire emblem...
20100716 21:20:23< Guest320630> I can't lose a single unit...
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20100716 21:21:31< moranar> I'm on ubuntu trying to find the wesnoth games I saved on Vista, but I can't find them under %userprofile%/Battle for Wesnoth1.8.3 with a find
20100716 21:21:56< moranar> where should they be? On install, I did select the option 'save games to user directory, not to program files'
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20100716 21:24:23< moranar> nevermind, found them under Documents/My Games/Wesnoth 1.8
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20100716 23:04:15< G-Lo> what is ageless era? it's huge o_o
20100716 23:04:35< shadowmaster> it's a collection of every faction ever made.
20100716 23:04:39< Gambit> G-Lo: It's every custom wesnoth unit ever made
20100716 23:04:52< G-Lo> ow o_o
20100716 23:04:52< Gambit> G-Lo: And a great way to break all your other addons.
20100716 23:05:14 * G-Lo cansels the download :p
20100716 23:05:15< Gambit> Actually that's not fair, he's fixed everything that's been reported so far.
20100716 23:05:17< G-Lo> -s+c
20100716 23:05:36< Gambit> But yeah...
20100716 23:05:52< Gambit> It's useful for people out there who have most of the eras
20100716 23:06:01< Gambit> you can have one addon instead of 5
20100716 23:06:09< Gambit> plus he included custom terrrains and stuff too afaik
20100716 23:06:18< G-Lo> 33 MB :D
20100716 23:06:20< Gambit> And some of the higher quality custom maps floating around
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20100716 23:48:22< elvish_sovereign> Gambit: Xubuntu installing....
20100716 23:48:25< elvish_sovereign> xD
20100716 23:48:35< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: goody gumdrops
20100716 23:48:40< elvish_sovereign> lawl
20100716 23:48:45< Gambit> I have all my essentials now :D
20100716 23:48:58< Gambit> just setting up chromes speed dial and then I'm probably good for now
20100716 23:49:08< Gambit> oh and franbot's scheduled tasks
20100716 23:49:24< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100716 23:49:28< elvish_sovereign> chrome for me too
20100716 23:49:38< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: java won't work on it :(
20100716 23:49:45< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: also I'm technically on kubuntu now XD
20100716 23:49:50< elvish_sovereign> hmmm
20100716 23:49:56< elvish_sovereign> xubuntu for me
20100716 23:50:03< elvish_sovereign> or i really don't know
20100716 23:50:05< Gambit> All because xcfe wouldn't let me customize theme colors.
20100716 23:50:13< elvish_sovereign> lol
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20100716 23:50:35< elvish_sovereign> since I;m basing these off my external hard drive, I can install quite a few of them
20100716 23:51:01< Gambit> You're installing operating systems to an external harddrive?
20100716 23:51:16< Gambit> (is that healthy?)
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