--- Log opened Sat Jul 17 00:00:13 2010
20100717 00:01:52< elvish_sovereign> hmmm
20100717 00:02:21< elvish_sovereign> i dunno
20100717 00:04:12< elvish_sovereign> argh
20100717 00:04:25< elvish_sovereign> the keyboard doesn't work...
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20100717 00:38:57< PetePorty> anyone wanna play conquest?
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20100717 00:40:38< Valkier> No, and now I hate you just a little more.
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20100717 00:44:46< Hulavuta> Hello Customers!
20100717 00:53:00< PetePorty> Hulavuta, come play conquest with us
20100717 00:53:52< PetePorty> hurry up, 2 spaces left
20100717 00:54:49< PetePorty> why so mean, Valkier?
20100717 00:55:23< Hulavuta> I don't like conquest, plus I can't
20100717 00:55:31< Hulavuta> I have friends over
20100717 00:55:34< PetePorty> :/
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20100717 02:03:58< PetePorty> Valkier, now I understand
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20100717 03:24:17< Gambit> hi-def paint? What?
20100717 03:25:49< VurtualRuler98> it has more DPI than normal paint, duh.
20100717 03:29:58< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: I'm confused.
20100717 03:31:10< Gambit> drops per inch?
20100717 03:32:14< elvish_sovereign> Gambit: dots per inch
20100717 03:32:38< elvish_sovereign> the more dpi (dots per inch) the better quality
20100717 03:32:48< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: But we're talking about paint. :)
20100717 03:32:55< elvish_sovereign> hmm
20100717 03:32:57< elvish_sovereign> dunno
20100717 03:33:07< elvish_sovereign> DPI to me always meant dots per inch
20100717 03:33:44< Gambit> Nah. I think the paint is thinner. So you can fit more of it in the same area.
20100717 03:33:50< Gambit> More DPI than normal paint. :D
20100717 03:33:52< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100717 03:33:58< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: btw we have no idea what we're talking about
20100717 03:34:03< elvish_sovereign> yes
20100717 03:34:03< Gambit> I just saw a commercial for "hi-def paint"
20100717 03:34:06< elvish_sovereign> i kno
20100717 03:34:10< Gambit> Okay
20100717 03:34:20< elvish_sovereign> download is sooo sloooowww
20100717 03:34:27< elvish_sovereign> i wish i had better internet
20100717 03:34:28< Gambit> I know :(
20100717 03:34:30< elvish_sovereign> seriously
20100717 03:34:34< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: I download kubuntu
20100717 03:34:39< Gambit> and it wasn't working for some reason
20100717 03:34:43< Gambit> so I had to download xubuntu
20100717 03:34:48< Gambit> then I got to xubuntu
20100717 03:34:50< Gambit> it was rather limited
20100717 03:34:54< Gambit> and I ended up installing kde
20100717 03:34:58< elvish_sovereign> what's the difference between them all anyway?
20100717 03:34:59< Gambit> and converting xubuntu->kubuntu
20100717 03:35:09< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: the window managers
20100717 03:35:14< elvish_sovereign> oh
20100717 03:35:20< Gambit> ubuntu = gnome
20100717 03:35:28< Gambit> xubuntu = ubuntu+xcfe
20100717 03:35:29< elvish_sovereign> that is like mac?
20100717 03:35:33< elvish_sovereign> oh
20100717 03:35:34< Gambit> kubuntu = ubuntu+kde
20100717 03:35:34< elvish_sovereign> okay
20100717 03:35:47< elvish_sovereign> got it
20100717 03:36:24< Gambit> kde is like windows
20100717 03:36:32< Gambit> and someone said earlier that gnome is like mac
20100717 03:36:33< elvish_sovereign> pff
20100717 03:36:39< Gambit> xcfe is really small and fast
20100717 03:36:52< elvish_sovereign> yeah
20100717 03:36:54< elvish_sovereign> okay
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20100717 03:40:33< elvish_sovereign> FINALLY
20100717 03:40:37< elvish_sovereign> under one hour
20100717 03:40:40< elvish_sovereign> 58 mins
20100717 03:41:00< elvish_sovereign> Gambit: I should be finally rnning ubuntu at 11.00pm
20100717 03:41:08< elvish_sovereign> running*
20100717 03:41:26< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: sounds good
20100717 03:41:48< elvish_sovereign> xD
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20100717 04:00:55< elvish_sovereign> argh i'm still just a thrid done
20100717 04:01:14< elvish_sovereign> i might be done downloading until 11.30...
20100717 04:01:26< elvish_sovereign> might be not*
20100717 04:10:45< elvish_sovereign> MY INTERNET SUX
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20100717 04:33:41< elvish_sovereign> 150 MB left!
20100717 04:33:47< elvish_sovereign> getting closer...
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20100717 04:38:21< elvish_sovereign> 100 MB!
20100717 04:38:31< elvish_sovereign> interent is faster now...
20100717 04:38:37< elvish_sovereign> internet*
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20100717 04:46:57< elvish_sovereign> c'mon...final stretch!
20100717 04:46:59< elvish_sovereign> 50 MB!
20100717 04:47:17< elvish_sovereign> speeds are fluctuating
20100717 04:50:28< elvish_sovereign> finished, FINALLY!
20100717 04:50:35< elvish_sovereign> ubuntu downloaded
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20100717 09:19:59< Ivanovic> moin
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20100717 16:28:53< thespaceinvader> anybody around fancy a game with Meridia era?
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20100717 18:05:05< StealthyCoin> oops
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20100717 21:10:26< e_s-iOS> Hi
20100717 21:10:31< hylje> hello
20100717 21:11:05< e_s-iOS> hylje: I think I heard your name somewhere before?
20100717 21:11:09< e_s-iOS> Or am I crazy?
20100717 21:11:16< e_s-iOS> Dunno
20100717 21:11:19< e_s-iOS> Whatevs
20100717 21:11:51< hylje> probably
20100717 21:11:59< e_s-iOS> xD
20100717 21:12:19< hylje> i sometimes play on wesnoth mp but usually not with random people
20100717 21:12:24< e_s-iOS> Cool
20100717 21:12:39< e_s-iOS> Not a sp fan?
20100717 21:13:15< hylje> campaigns are nice
20100717 21:13:26< hylje> trying to beat the mainline ones at least once
20100717 21:13:38< e_s-iOS> Cool
20100717 21:14:16< hylje> mostly working on son of blackeye and wesmere
20100717 21:14:31< hylje> six campaigns behind me
20100717 21:14:35< e_s-iOS> Wesmere needs some changes IMO
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20100717 21:14:57< e_s-iOS> Have you ever played HttT on Hard?
20100717 21:15:05< e_s-iOS> Through it, I mean
20100717 21:15:08< hylje> was the campaign i first played
20100717 21:15:13< hylje> medium i think
20100717 21:15:13< e_s-iOS> On hard?
20100717 21:15:17< e_s-iOS> Ahh
20100717 21:15:18< e_s-iOS> Ok
20100717 21:15:56< hylje> i think i'll start using hard after beating these two
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20100717 21:16:11< e_s-iOS> On the novice ones first
20100717 21:16:22< e_s-iOS> You'll be surprised with HttT
20100717 21:16:34< e_s-iOS> Liberty wasn't too bad
20100717 21:16:48< e_s-iOS> As with the others, like AOI, TSG,
20100717 21:17:11< e_s-iOS> Personally HttT was a shock, really
20100717 21:17:17< e_s-iOS> On hard, that is
20100717 21:17:39< e_s-iOS> Of course, it may be different for you
20100717 21:18:08< hylje> i still get challenged by medium diff
20100717 21:18:17< e_s-iOS> Yeah
20100717 21:18:34< hylje> not always, but some maps are made by colossal dicks
20100717 21:18:35< hylje> :P
20100717 21:18:47< e_s-iOS> IMO there should be more campaign difficulties
20100717 21:18:57< hylje> those may or may not correlate with the wear-down maps
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20100717 21:19:29< e_s-iOS> AToTB, TSG, and AOI should be rated like Beginner
20100717 21:19:51< e_s-iOS> HttT, Liberty, and DiD Novice
20100717 21:19:54< hylje> i think one step further would be good
20100717 21:20:15< hylje> giving a clear linear suggested succession of campaigns
20100717 21:20:17< e_s-iOS> Hmm?
20100717 21:20:26< e_s-iOS> Nah
20100717 21:20:44< e_s-iOS> People have different playstyles and thus find different campaign harder/easier
20100717 21:21:22< e_s-iOS> Eg i find elves easy to use
20100717 21:21:44< e_s-iOS> Thus I find HttT, LoW, for ex
20100717 21:21:53< hylje> elves are almost stupidly solid
20100717 21:22:03< e_s-iOS> To easier than they actually are
20100717 21:22:17< e_s-iOS> Hmm
20100717 21:22:23< hylje> no time of day, no crippling overspecialization, mobile
20100717 21:22:35< e_s-iOS> Yes there is
20100717 21:22:36< e_s-iOS> Low hp
20100717 21:22:45< e_s-iOS> VERY low ho
20100717 21:22:49< e_s-iOS> Hp*
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20100717 21:23:30< e_s-iOS> The most general of all the factions IMO is the loyals
20100717 21:23:41< e_s-iOS> Loys, rather
20100717 21:24:35< hylje> HP would be the "almost", but it's not that low
20100717 21:24:56< e_s-iOS> They have the lowest hp average of all factions
20100717 21:25:04< e_s-iOS> IIRC
20100717 21:25:28< hylje> they also get a level 1 healer, that only drakes also have
20100717 21:25:40< e_s-iOS> To balance that
20100717 21:26:00< e_s-iOS> Only expensive access to fire and impact
20100717 21:26:24< hylje> elves are only in trouble when the opponent can 1-go-knockout troops reliably
20100717 21:26:45< e_s-iOS> IE horesmen
20100717 21:26:59< hylje> in flatland
20100717 21:27:30< e_s-iOS> Yes
20100717 21:27:38< hylje> thankfully for everyone else, not every tile is forest
20100717 21:27:38< e_s-iOS> They only really do well in forests
20100717 21:28:24< e_s-iOS> xD 
20100717 21:28:33< e_s-iOS> anyhow
20100717 21:29:09< hylje> hills are alright too, but better in forests
20100717 21:29:15< e_s-iOS> shadowmaster: What would you think if we had more difficulty ranks rather than just Novice, Intermediate, and Expert?
20100717 21:30:19< e_s-iOS> Like Beginner, Novice, Intermediate, Hard, Expert?
20100717 21:30:27< e_s-iOS> Or more descriptive titles?
20100717 21:35:30< e_s-iOS> Hmmm
20100717 21:38:52< e_s-iOS> Is www.wesnoth.org slow for anyone else?
20100717 21:39:07< e_s-iOS> Both Soliton and lobby are in
20100717 21:40:31< e_s-iOS> And btw I'm not talking about actually EASY,NORMAL,HARD
20100717 21:40:49< e_s-iOS> I mean the rankings on the campaign screen
20100717 21:44:07< e_s-iOS> Ohhh
20100717 21:44:10< e_s-iOS> Gotta go
20100717 21:44:14< e_s-iOS> See ya all later
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20100717 21:50:22< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20100717 22:02:36< hylje> hello Relic
20100717 22:05:19< Meway> I dont even play this game :/
20100717 22:05:59< Valkier> Then gtfo?
20100717 22:06:53< Meway> no 
20100717 22:07:05< Meway> im here because I might get intrested
20100717 22:07:26< Valkier> Seems to me you'd figure out if you were interested by playing.
20100717 22:08:12< Meway> to be honest idk how to make this client no auto join here.
20100717 22:08:50< hylje> are you trying to trigger our let's-be-unhelpful responses
20100717 22:08:58< Meway> I might start playing but idk what its about yet
20100717 22:09:09< Meway> maybe
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20100717 22:09:39< hylje> download it and try
20100717 22:09:55< Meway> linky?
20100717 22:11:12< hylje> wesnoth.org
20100717 22:11:31< Meway> real linky?
20100717 22:11:38< Meway> jk
20100717 22:12:12< Meway> btw hylje I can see that your not the generous type so w/e
20100717 22:12:38< Gambit> the real link is http://wesnoth.org/
20100717 22:12:41< Gambit> :o
20100717 22:13:03< Gambit> (no seriously)
20100717 22:13:11< Meway> well a real generous person would ask me waht OS I have
20100717 22:13:17< Meway> :p
20100717 22:13:33< Meway> and gives me a direct download link
20100717 22:13:39< Gambit> No a real generous person would make a version request of your client
20100717 22:13:45< Gambit> and then give you the direct link
20100717 22:13:52< Meway> o.O
20100717 22:13:52< Gambit> and then you'd be like OMG HOW'D YOU KNOW WHAT OS I HAVE?!
20100717 22:14:11< hylje> i was eating a sammich
20100717 22:14:18< hylje> makes responses a little more succinct
20100717 22:14:24 * Meway makes hylje a sub
20100717 22:14:39< hylje> ooh but i'm not hungry any more :(
20100717 22:14:39< shadowmaster> not all IRC clients advertise the host's configuration in their CTCP VERSION replies.
20100717 22:14:47< hylje> but you can nmap them
20100717 22:14:47< Gambit> awww
20100717 22:15:12< Meway> what if mine lies and says im not on linux?
20100717 22:15:25< Gambit> Yours gives me your away message for some odd reason.
20100717 22:15:25< shadowmaster> exactly
20100717 22:15:31< shadowmaster> CTCP VERSION replies can also be faked or disabled
20100717 22:16:05< Meway> or what if I wanted the windows version and just run it threw wineHQ
20100717 22:16:24< shadowmaster> the name is WINE, not wineHQ.
20100717 22:16:35< Meway> idc
20100717 22:16:37< hylje> i once did a /set ctcp_version_reply ASDasfIRC 0.1.23 because a quakenet oper made fun of that bogus irc client in wallusers
20100717 22:16:43< shadowmaster> but I do.
20100717 22:17:18< Meway> so 
20100717 22:18:05 * Meway makes shadowmaster a sammich
20100717 22:18:44< shadowmaster> I'd prefer a sandwich.
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20100717 22:20:32< Meway> poof your a sandwich
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20100717 22:21:45< Gambit> His a sandwich what?
20100717 22:22:07< hylje> i was phone
20100717 22:22:35< Gambit> We aren't verbs anymore?
20100717 22:22:45< shadowmaster> bad English taking over the channel. Take off every zig.
20100717 22:22:51< Meway> no of course not
20100717 22:23:03< shadowmaster> Gambit: move zig!
20100717 22:23:12< Gambit> shadowmaster: Huh?
20100717 22:23:12< hylje> for great justice
20100717 22:23:28< Meway> great scott !
20100717 22:23:38< Gambit> shadowmaster: What do you use for perl?
20100717 22:23:49< Gambit> On windows I had ActivePerl, but it looks like that isn't for ubuntu
20100717 22:24:13< hylje> perl.org perl i would believe
20100717 22:24:17< Gambit> or at least not in the software center
20100717 22:24:59< shadowmaster> Gambit: perl
20100717 22:25:23< shadowmaster> the "official" perl environment
20100717 22:25:58< shadowmaster> shadowm@bluecore:~$ sudo dpkg --status perl
20100717 22:26:03< Gambit> oh it's already installed :o
20100717 22:26:07< shadowmaster> Package: perl
20100717 22:26:17< shadowmaster> Version: 5.10.1-13
20100717 22:26:53< shadowmaster> no Linux distribution should call itself a general-purpose Linux distribution if it doesn't come with perl and python by default
20100717 22:27:11 * Gambit thought you hated python.
20100717 22:27:42< shadowmaster> I'm not talking for myself.
20100717 22:28:20< hylje> kde project allows c++ and python apps
20100717 22:29:11< Gambit> hmm it's just ":Gambit!~Gambit@pa-67-234-73-7.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG Janebot :VERSION"
20100717 22:30:05< Gambit> shadowmaster: when I ping the robot she gets PING a_number
20100717 22:30:16< Gambit> Should I make her respond with PONG and that number?
20100717 22:30:33< shadowmaster> no idea.
20100717 22:30:49< Gambit> But you're the IRC guy...
20100717 22:30:51< Gambit> :'(
20100717 22:30:52< shadowmaster> I believe it's used for TS deltification, but I'm not really interested on that stuff - you could just ignore it
20100717 22:33:31< elvish_sovereign> hi
20100717 22:33:32< elvish_sovereign> back
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20100717 22:34:59< hylje> PONG that_number should be easy enough to shoot off
20100717 22:35:29< hylje> proactively doing PING :lol commands once in a while is good too
20100717 22:36:19< shadowmaster> you are probably confusing PING with CTCP PING though
20100717 22:36:35< shadowmaster> PING-PONG is used between servers and client<->server connections.
20100717 22:37:01< shadowmaster> CTCP PING is used between clients for informational purposes
20100717 22:37:16< hylje> well i have to patch twisted's irc client to send PINGs to the irc server 
20100717 22:37:30< hylje> in order to have it not drop out when the channels it's on are inactive 
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20100717 22:53:47< Hulavuta> Hi
20100717 22:54:41< hylje> hello Hulavuta 
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20100717 22:56:12< Hulavuta> Who are you?
20100717 22:56:47< Hulavuta> hylje: Are you new?
20100717 22:57:22< hylje> i first joined this channel eleven hours and thirty minutes ago
20100717 22:57:33< hylje> how's that
20100717 22:57:52< Hulavuta> I'll take that as a yes
20100717 22:57:58< Gambit> wesbot: seen hylje
20100717 22:57:58< wesbot> Gambit: Queried user last spoke 25s ago.  hylje is currently in this channel.
20100717 22:58:49< Hulavuta> Hmm, does that work with any person?
20100717 22:59:01< Gambit> Hulavuta: nope you can only use it on really cool people
20100717 22:59:15< Gambit> websot: seen Hulavuta
20100717 22:59:19< Gambit> Hulavuta: see?
20100717 22:59:24< Hulavuta> You spelled it wrong
20100717 22:59:27< Gambit> lies
20100717 22:59:32< Hulavuta> you wrote websot instead of wesbot
20100717 22:59:36< Gambit> lies
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20100717 23:00:19< Hulavuta> :'(
20100717 23:00:21< Gambit> wesbot: seën Hulavuta
20100717 23:00:26< Gambit> Hulavuta: see?
20100717 23:00:30< Hulavuta> I've had enough nonsense...
20100717 23:00:47< Hulavuta> Anyway, do you have to use /msg or just wesbot: ?
20100717 23:00:59< Hulavuta> wesbot: seen ABCD
20100717 23:01:00< wesbot> Hulavuta: Queried user last spoke 2d 23h ago.  ABCD is currently here and on the channel #wesnoth-dev.
20100717 23:01:03< Hulavuta> I see
20100717 23:01:15< Hulavuta> wesbot: seen Hulavuta
20100717 23:01:15< wesbot> Hulavuta: You are Hulavuta!
20100717 23:01:24< Gambit> shikadibot: shikadibot?
20100717 23:01:24< shikadibot> Gambit: *I* am shikadibot!
20100717 23:01:30< Hulavuta> Lol
20100717 23:02:42< hylje> whee
20100717 23:04:11< Hulavuta> wesbot: artisticdude
20100717 23:04:17< Hulavuta> Does it only work with people in?
20100717 23:04:51< elias> shikadibot: wesbot?
20100717 23:04:51< shikadibot> Sorry, I don't know what 'wesbot' means...
20100717 23:05:06< Gambit> gah bright yellow name
20100717 23:05:37< Gambit> That was rather a stupid choice when setting up the color lists...
20100717 23:06:16< elias> you're supposed to have a black background
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20100717 23:08:21< Hulavuta> wesbot: seen drry
20100717 23:08:22< wesbot> Hulavuta: Queried user drry is currently in this channel.
20100717 23:08:44< Hulavuta> Hmm, why didn't it say when he last spoke? Unless he never spoke?
20100717 23:08:59< Gambit> Hulavuta: Exactly
20100717 23:09:24< Hulavuta> Are you being sarcastic?
20100717 23:09:44< Gambit> Hulavuta: no.
20100717 23:09:54< Gambit> I'm saying that him speaking is simply not in wesbot's logs.
20100717 23:10:06< Gambit> Hulavuta: It's rather rude to highlight random people by the way.
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20100717 23:10:39< Hulavuta> Ok
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