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20100725 00:00:00< Gambit> PRIVMSG #wesnoth :Hulavuta: In real IRC there isn't even /me
20100725 00:00:08< Gambit> So if you started putting in strange emoticons.
20100725 00:00:19< Gambit> How would that look to others?
20100725 00:00:27< Gambit> They'd see only the text.
20100725 00:01:01< PetePorty> That'd look cool
20100725 00:01:27< PetePorty> <Hulavuta> (dance) (dance) (dance)
20100725 00:01:34< PetePorty> :)
20100725 00:01:49< Hulavuta> Anyway, I have to go to Church now
20100725 00:02:49< Hulavuta> cha cha cha
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20100725 00:30:02< shadowmaster> cream + jello = win
20100725 00:31:13< PetePorty> anything+jello=sucks
20100725 00:31:28< PetePorty> cream+most_things=win
20100725 00:31:43< PetePorty> cream+jello=...?
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20100725 00:33:30< shadowmaster> you clearly haven't spent 1 month eating jello!
20100725 00:36:30< PetePorty> of course not....
20100725 00:36:58< WaltzingAlong> not everyone is a fan of bones
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20100725 00:40:44< PetePorty> huh?
20100725 00:42:19< shadowmaster> PetePorty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelatine#Composition_and_properties
20100725 00:42:42< PetePorty> Ahhh... thanks
20100725 00:42:50< shadowmaster> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelatina if you prefer
20100725 00:43:42< WaltzingAlong> PetePorty: gelatine is boiled bones, jell-o contains gelatin
20100725 00:43:45< PetePorty> no, thanks, I prefer the first one
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20100725 01:34:15< artisticdude> Argh... it's gonna take me forever to get used to the new forum arrangement.
20100725 01:37:38< Espreon> 'Twas a change to a forum layout, not your girlfriend getting a lobotomy... with something going horribly wrong.
20100725 01:37:59< PetePorty> lol
20100725 01:38:07< artisticdude> ? :/
20100725 01:38:25< artisticdude> I know, but I keep expected off-topic to be at the bottom...
20100725 01:38:40< artisticdude> Anyway, I don't have a girlfriend
20100725 01:38:51< artisticdude> (Wouldn't be fair to all the other girls)
20100725 01:38:57< artisticdude> :P
20100725 01:40:01< artisticdude> Nah, seriously. I'm not interested in that sort of stuff.
20100725 01:40:37< artisticdude> Oh well. As long as I can find the Art Workshop and the Faction and Era Development, I'm fine.
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20100725 02:39:22< shadowmaster> artisticdude: tsk, it's just a change in the forums' order, not a car accident.
20100725 02:48:28< artisticdude> I know, but I'm too used to the old order.
20100725 02:48:58< shadowmaster> the order has changed multiple times
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20100725 02:49:25< artisticdude> It's not a big deal, I'll get used to it. :)
20100725 02:49:48< artisticdude> The forum order has only changed twice since I registered.
20100725 02:51:38< artisticdude> Which seems like a long time ago, although in reality it was only about 8 months ago.
20100725 03:02:12< elvish_sovereign> hey
20100725 03:02:37< elvish_sovereign> artisticdude: ^
20100725 03:03:11< artisticdude> Oh, hi.
20100725 03:03:26< artisticdude> Dang it, you always catch me when I'm looking at another page.
20100725 03:03:42< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100725 03:03:48< artisticdude> Discussing the pros and cons of different image formats with Zero.
20100725 03:04:21< elvish_sovereign> ah.
20100725 03:04:23< elvish_sovereign> This?
20100725 03:04:24< elvish_sovereign> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=445189#p445189
20100725 03:04:39< elvish_sovereign> rather
20100725 03:04:40< elvish_sovereign> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=445186#p445186
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20100725 03:05:44< elvish_sovereign> hmm?
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20100725 04:43:28< elvish_sovereign> artistic_iPod: what happened earlier?
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20100725 04:44:40< artistic_iPod> Dang it!
20100725 04:44:55< artistic_iPod> Oh, now it works. 
20100725 04:45:15< artistic_iPod> My connection sucks right now. 
20100725 04:45:28< elvish_sovereign> xD
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20100725 04:51:52< artisticdude> Blast my frikkin' connection. X(
20100725 04:52:14< artisticdude> And now it works again. 
20100725 04:53:37< artisticdude> Broadband Internet... sounds wonderful. 
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20100725 05:01:48< elvish_sovereign> ok gotta
20100725 05:01:49< elvish_sovereign> go
20100725 05:01:55< elvish_sovereign> see ya all later
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20100725 10:18:21< Ivanovic> moin
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20100725 15:39:41< The_User> Hi
20100725 15:40:06< The_User> is it possible to define abilities outside of units?
20100725 15:42:28< zookeeper> umm
20100725 15:42:30< zookeeper> what do you mean?
20100725 15:44:40< hylje> what kind of abilities would not have units to activate them?
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20100725 16:02:58< The_User> I mean I want to define it centrally
20100725 16:03:19< The_User> it should not be recreated for every unit
20100725 16:04:48< The_User> it is also possible to add abilities by id…
20100725 16:06:44< zookeeper> umm, have you ever looked at how mainline abilities are defined and used?
20100725 16:07:01< zookeeper> if you have, then you can't be asking what you seem to be asking.
20100725 16:09:01< zookeeper> anyway, yes, strictly speaking you have to give each unit the full ability WML. but you can of course use macros to do that.
20100725 16:09:53< The_User> they are defined with macros
20100725 16:10:04< The_User> …
20100725 16:11:10< zookeeper> yes, they are defined centrally with macros. does that answer your question?
20100725 16:11:56< The_User> can you explain me the cumulative-property for abilties?
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20100725 16:12:25< Gambit> cumulative; as in it stacks
20100725 16:14:26< The_User> it will use the values from somewhere else and add stuff?
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20100725 16:15:23< The_User> (or overwrite stuff)
20100725 16:16:14< zookeeper> no, it's jsut whether the effects of that ability will stack
20100725 16:16:40< zookeeper> if you have an ability which gives +10 resistance to adjacent units, then cumulative=yes|no tells whether a unit can get more than +10 by having several of those abilities around it
20100725 16:17:00< The_User> ah
20100725 16:17:05< The_User> okay
20100725 16:17:12< The_User> I got it
20100725 16:17:22< The_User> „aufaddierend“ in german :)
20100725 16:25:40< The_User> there where too many translations in the dictionary
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20100725 18:13:04< PetePorty> Helo guys!
20100725 18:13:08< PetePorty> I have classes tomorrow :(
20100725 18:17:14< PetePorty> :) Now I can recriut sporemen in TRoW, and the main character is called PetePorty
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20100725 18:23:49< Zerovirus> sporemen?
20100725 18:23:56< Zerovirus> That sounds cool but not particularly effective
20100725 18:25:29< PetePorty> Dude, 40-8 attack and costs 2 gold...
20100725 18:25:31< PetePorty> 12 moves
20100725 18:25:37< PetePorty> 8 experience...
20100725 18:25:39< PetePorty> so cool.
20100725 18:27:08< hylje> awesome
20100725 18:27:15< hylje> let's make that a mp recruit
20100725 18:27:26< Gambit> TRoW?
20100725 18:27:33< Gambit> The Revenge of Wesnoth
20100725 18:27:36< Gambit> clearly
20100725 18:28:48< PetePorty> Yes.
20100725 18:30:04< Gambit> s/Revenge/Rise/
20100725 18:30:26< Zerovirus> Wow, this has got to be the saddest modding of Wesnoth ever
20100725 18:30:34< Zerovirus> Even I do stuff more mature than tha :P
20100725 18:32:35< PetePorty> In the faction I'm doing, there are 2 recriuts, 1 melee and 1 ranged.
20100725 18:33:41< PetePorty> it will be so cool.
20100725 18:34:10< PetePorty> 48 units in the faction... several paths on every level...
20100725 18:34:15< Zerovirus> And lemme guess they're all super overpowered?
20100725 18:34:18< Zerovirus> ...Right.
20100725 18:34:22< PetePorty> oh, also, the 2 recriuts will be level 0s
20100725 18:34:24< Zerovirus> Where are you getting graphics from?
20100725 18:34:26< PetePorty> No.
20100725 18:34:46< PetePorty> I'm doing them, hoping my project will be good enough for someone to do art for it...
20100725 18:35:12< PetePorty> they suck so much that is it hard to tell them apart from a ball of mud.
20100725 18:36:23< Zerovirus> Haha
20100725 18:36:27< Zerovirus> Well don't look at me
20100725 18:36:34< Zerovirus> 48 baseframes is a really large amount
20100725 18:36:41< Zerovirus> Go do some frankies or something :P
20100725 18:36:50< PetePorty> on SotBE I can now recriut Gronts
20100725 18:36:59< PetePorty> yeah, some of them are frankiies...
20100725 18:37:30< PetePorty> anyway, my era will never be finished, I am too lazy, and classes start tomorrow...
20100725 18:38:04< PetePorty> I'm translating Dead Water...
20100725 18:38:24< hylje> ;_;
20100725 18:38:54< PetePorty> And I dunno how to translate the title, 'agua muerta' sounds... crappy...
20100725 18:39:54< PetePorty> I hate spanish...
20100725 18:40:31< PetePorty> suggestions?
20100725 18:40:35< PetePorty> anyone?
20100725 18:40:39< PetePorty> :/
20100725 18:41:23< hylje> it's good
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20100725 18:41:42< PetePorty> Oh here is one that you can actually help, people: 'Script-doctoring and cleanup for mainline' what does this guy do?
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20100725 18:42:12< PetePorty> anyone?
20100725 18:42:18< PetePorty> :/
20100725 18:42:24< PetePorty> I'll go play transformice...
20100725 18:42:26< PetePorty> c ya
20100725 18:42:26< hylje> reviews and fixes scripts to mainline standards
20100725 18:42:35< PetePorty> huh.... thanks.
20100725 18:43:05< hylje> ideally so that someone who can maintain a mainline campaign or some such can maintain any mainline campaign or some such
20100725 18:45:04< Grickit> Oh look. Power outage already :\
20100725 18:45:15< PetePorty> huh?
20100725 18:45:18< PetePorty> in what?
20100725 18:45:23< Grickit> My house :P
20100725 18:45:31< PetePorty> ahhh.... really?
20100725 18:45:34< PetePorty> :?
20100725 18:45:34< Grickit> err s/power/internet/
20100725 18:45:40< PetePorty> ahhh....
20100725 18:45:57< Grickit> When it rains the internet will go out for fractions of a second.
20100725 18:46:07< PetePorty> :7
20100725 18:46:18< Grickit> If I were streaming video or browsing the internet I wouldn't even notice.
20100725 18:46:22< Grickit> But IRC...
20100725 18:46:39< PetePorty> yeah...
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20100725 19:08:37< Gambit> Ugh
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20100725 20:23:35< The_User> Is there any way to remove an object?
20100725 20:25:50-!- Hulavuta [~Hulavuta@97.100.17.47] has joined #wesnoth
20100725 20:25:59< Hulavuta> Hi
20100725 20:26:52-!- King_Elendil [~King_Elen@75.143.235.104] has joined #wesnoth
20100725 20:27:40< Hulavuta> Hi King_Elendil
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20100725 20:30:02< King_Elendil> Hey buddy, what's up?
20100725 20:30:02< Grickit> The_User: An object that does the exactly opposite thing.
20100725 20:30:46< The_User> it is very complicate to compute such an object
20100725 20:30:48< The_User> hmm
20100725 20:31:11< Hulavuta> King_Elendil: Would you happen to play any musical instruments?
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20100725 20:31:43< King_Elendil> drums
20100725 20:31:54< Hulavuta> Ooooooh
20100725 20:31:56< Hulavuta> That's good
20100725 20:31:56< King_Elendil> why?
20100725 20:32:42< Hulavuta> Dixie and I are thinking about forming a band from the Wesnoth community
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20100725 20:32:56< Hulavuta> and if you're interested, Drums is an instrument we need
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20100725 20:35:27< Hulavuta> King_Elendil: I can see you're speechless
20100725 20:35:50< King_Elendil> lol, distracted.
20100725 20:36:37< Hulavuta> Have you played any songs on the drums?
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20100725 20:36:45< Hulavuta> Well, obviously, nevermind
20100725 20:36:46< King_Elendil> sounds kinda neat, but I'm going to be really busy for a while.
20100725 20:36:51< Hulavuta> That's fine
20100725 20:36:51< Grickit> How would this band possibly play togethor? :s
20100725 20:37:03< Hulavuta> Grickit: Each person would record their part
20100725 20:37:08< Hulavuta> And then we edit it together
20100725 20:37:10< King_Elendil> yeah, I play a lot of Hillsong stuff.
20100725 20:37:13< Hulavuta> With an audio programs
20100725 20:37:16< Hulavuta> *program
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20100725 20:49:34< Eam_> Does the 1.4.x server still exist?
20100725 20:49:54< Hulavuta> The add-ons server does
20100725 20:50:01< Hulavuta> But not the multiplayer one, I don't think
20100725 20:50:22< Hulavuta> I tried going on multiplayer in 1.4 a month ago, but then Wesnoth stopped responding
20100725 20:50:23< Eam_> OK  Thanks.
20100725 20:50:31< Hulavuta> Were you looking for the add-ons?
20100725 20:51:10< Eam_> No.  I have too much difficulty making 1.8.x work.
20100725 20:51:58< Eam_> I need a newer distro because upgrading doesn't work anymore.
20100725 20:54:03< Eam_> Linux has too many dirty tricks.  Wesnoth needs lua.pc to compile but lua does not compile with a .pc file; someone had to give it to me.  There is always another complication.
20100725 20:54:28< Eam_> lua.pc only comes with distros for instance.
20100725 20:55:12< elias> and each distro calls it differently
20100725 20:55:47< Eam_> I actually satisfied every known requirement, but then when I went to load Wesnoth it crashed.  You never know what my heavily upgraded distro is missing.
20100725 20:55:50< elias> "lua5.1" with ubuntu for example
20100725 20:56:04< Eam_> Linux is hard to buy these days.
20100725 20:56:35< Eam_> Every place that sold Windows used to sell severall Linuxes.
20100725 20:56:39< elias> on the other hand, in ubuntu it's very easy to run wesnoth 1.8, you need to do nothing at all :)
20100725 20:56:59< elias> not even go to wesnoth.org like in windows
20100725 20:57:15< Eam_> Ubuntu makes one compile on user doesn't it?
20100725 20:57:36< elias> it doesn't compile, it has the binaries already
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20100725 20:58:16< Eam_> I use and old SuSE but last time I went to Novel to buy it, the site froze my browser.
20100725 20:59:00< Eam_> Yes but I compile a lot and I like to compile on root.  I can not see root being a slave to user.
20100725 20:59:26< elias> that's windows/osx mentality. in linux you should never do things as root :P
20100725 21:00:07< Eam_> Root is suppose to be boss over user.  How can it be boss it user dictates?
20100725 21:00:38< Eam_> Linux is really a toy for Windows users so Windows must be doing some things right.
20100725 21:01:23< Eam_> I don't like Windows tho :)!
20100725 21:01:25< elias> that's why all the big web servers run on windows
20100725 21:04:18< Eam_> If Linux did things right it could be a viable alternative to Windows, but most Linux programmers are just trying to hustle one over to Windows to sell the product they actually often use Linux to develop; nonetheless Windows probably has better programming tools anyway.
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20100725 21:06:21< Eam_> Wesnoth is normal by Linux tho but I will have to submit to buying a new SuSE Linux before I can compile it and there are very few sites that will sell Linux these days.  Linux seems like it is always trying to put itsself "out of business".
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20100725 21:07:55< Eam_> I spent years using SuSE and I would be loathe to swith to Ubuntu, but Ubuntu seems to be the only Linux that really wants to grow.
20100725 21:08:30< King_Elendil> I know you can dual-boot Windows on a new mac, but does anyone know if you can dual-boot Linux (Ubuntu or SuSE)?
20100725 21:09:46< Eam_> SuSE can let one make a boot menu and choos between Windows and SuSE.  I am not sure what you mean by dual-boot?
20100725 21:10:45< Eam_> If you use Windows and Linux both you would have to but Windows on first and then Linux in the space you left for that.
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20100725 21:11:29< Eam_> I don't use Window tho.  My old SuSE grew on me- I know all it pitfalls.
20100725 21:12:04< King_Elendil> Mac has a thing called "boot camp", I don't know how it works exactly, but it allows you to basically have a windows computer inside your mac, and switch between the two.
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20100725 21:13:47< Eam_> How is that possible if they use different CPUs; I always wanted a computer with both CPUs, but what you are talking about seems like an Apple "come on"?
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20100725 21:14:56< Eam_> Apple will try to fraud people out of knowing how far ahead of it Windows and even Linux are.
20100725 21:14:59< sevis> Eam_: Apple has been using Intel CPUs for quite a while now.
20100725 21:15:05< King_Elendil> Apple switched to an Intel processor, so now they both work.
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20100725 21:15:32< Eam_> Yes but the the are not PC CPUs, isn't that so?
20100725 21:15:48< elias> linux works on any cpu
20100725 21:16:16< sevis> Pretty much all desktops have an x86 or amd64 CPU these days, and Windows works on both of them. As does Linux.
20100725 21:16:26< King_Elendil> I honestly don't know much more than that.
20100725 21:16:41< Eam_> We talking about a PC and a Mac rolled into one in the same CPU.  :)
20100725 21:16:45< sevis> all desktops these days*
20100725 21:17:09< sevis> Eam_: ppc died long, long ago. OS X runs fine on x86, not sure about amd64.
20100725 21:18:38< Eam_> sevis you serious?  How recent a pc cpu do I need to buy OS X and watch it work alongside a Windows with Linux installment?
20100725 21:20:11< sevis> Eam_: It's a matter of OS X being compatible, not the CPU being special. However, hackintoshes (OS X on non-Apple hardware) aren't at all rare.
20100725 21:20:13< Eam_> I was thinking about getting a new motherboard at my intell store but they didn't have any diskette controllers and I still use a 3 inch diskette drive.
20100725 21:21:19< hylje> sevis: snow leopard (the newest osx) is exclusive to amd64
20100725 21:21:35< Eam_> Would it erase the Windows boot sector or is it possible to put OS X on the back of my Linux for instance?
20100725 21:21:52< sevis> hylje: Ah, didn't know, thanks. Point stands, though -- an amd64 is also a ``normal desktop CPU''.
20100725 21:22:13< sevis> I wouldn't know the specifics of making them work together, but a quick google offers plenty of info.
20100725 21:22:51< Eam_> Thanks sevis and hylje.  :)
20100725 21:23:11< elias> putting linux on my mac was easy, that's all i know
20100725 21:23:36< elias> and X11 works much smoother than OSX on the cheap intel card in there :)
20100725 21:23:40< Eam_> When I get my new computer built I am going to look into trying to put all 3 on it.
20100725 21:24:11< sevis> Eam_: If I may ask, why do you want to put OS X on it if you already have Linux? What does it offer?
20100725 21:24:13< Eam_> elias what Linux did you use?
20100725 21:24:18< elias> debian sid
20100725 21:24:30< hylje> osx is a picky bitch, expect to pick your hardware based on what's known to work for it
20100725 21:24:56< Eam_> sevis For instance on a game like AlephOne there is more for apple.
20100725 21:25:11< sevis> Ah, fair enough.
20100725 21:25:32< sevis> Heh, it'll be amusing if OS X becomes the next ``keep it for the games'' platform.
20100725 21:26:15< Eam_> Is there anyway to copy something from a Linux partition to an Apple or Windows partition?
20100725 21:26:25< shadowmaster> yes
20100725 21:26:31< elias> usb stick
20100725 21:26:41< shadowmaster> at least to Windows parittions, Linux support writing on FAT32 volumes natively
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20100725 21:26:51< Eam_> I mean from the hard drive alone.
20100725 21:26:54< sevis> Yep, and NTFS, too.
20100725 21:27:01< shadowmaster> NTFS-3g supports writing on NTFS volumes with a few limitations, altough it works fine in my experience
20100725 21:27:05< shadowmaster> *although
20100725 21:27:15< sevis> Not sure about the Apple FS, though... HFS, was it?
20100725 21:27:16< dougmencken> excuse me, where can I download wesnoth 1.8.3 binary for my platfrom?
20100725 21:27:22< dougmencken> sevis: HFS and HFS+
20100725 21:27:32< shadowmaster> there is software that supports HFS+ on Linux but I don't know much about it
20100725 21:27:40< dougmencken> sevis: and now write support on GNU/Linux for hfs
20100725 21:27:47< dougmencken> s/now/no/
20100725 21:27:47< shadowmaster> dougmencken: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Download :P
20100725 21:27:59< dougmencken> shadowmaster: there's no bins for my platform
20100725 21:28:03< shadowmaster> dougmencken: what is it?
20100725 21:28:08< dougmencken> shadowmaster: linux powerpc
20100725 21:28:22< shadowmaster> maybe your distribution has packages
20100725 21:28:27< dougmencken> 1.6.5 only
20100725 21:28:28< shadowmaster> alternatively you could try to compile it yourself
20100725 21:28:44< dougmencken> shadowmaster: how long will it last on 400 MHz machine?
20100725 21:28:57< shadowmaster> ohhh. very long :/
20100725 21:29:10< dougmencken> >200 MiB sources... even GCC is tinier :)
20100725 21:29:14< shadowmaster> dougmencken: what distribution is that, btw?
20100725 21:29:20< dougmencken> shadowmaster: Fedora
20100725 21:29:48< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn may know if there are external repositories for Fedora.
20100725 21:30:00< Eam_> sevis AlephOne users worhip Apple sometimes and often are "indoctrinated" hater of Windows the way some Linux users are.  Some of them would have raised eyebrows at this chat about both on the same computer!
20100725 21:30:04< shadowmaster> he's a fedora user at least.
20100725 21:31:16< Gambit> How well will the latest version of Wesnoth even run on 400Mhz?
20100725 21:31:35< shadowmaster> not very well, but you can disable some animations to help with that.
20100725 21:32:03< shadowmaster> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/FAQ#My_computer_is_too_slow.3B_how_do_I_speed_the_game_up.3F
20100725 21:32:11< dougmencken> shadowmaster: runs okay, ~20 fps
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20100725 21:33:04< Eam_> I was going to Debian on the back of my old SuSE but then I found out Debian could not recogize my old ReiserFS.  I have work bottled up on my old SuSE and hanging on to it is rolling me into the past.
20100725 21:33:04< dougmencken> only on screen scroll it freezes a little (coz my videocard 2d accel is not supported on linux)
20100725 21:33:19< Aethaeryn> shadowmaster: of course there's external repositories for fedora
20100725 21:33:56< Aethaeryn> RPM Fusion does most of the third party things (including VirtualBox and mp3 capabilities), but you need Livna for one package that RPM Fusion didn't take in the merger, the one that lets you play DVDs.
20100725 21:33:58< dougmencken> saw your build guide... so much dependencies
20100725 21:34:20< Aethaeryn> Then there's an Adobe repo for flash/PDF and a Google repo that has Chrome in it.
20100725 21:34:25< Aethaeryn> Those are the ones I use at least
20100725 21:34:48< Aethaeryn> Fedora doesn't pull an Ubuntu and host things off shore. It must follow the laws of North Carolina and the US.
20100725 21:35:59< shadowmaster> Aethaeryn: don't lecture me, just help dougmencken  with obtaining PPC Wesnoth 1.8.3 :P
20100725 21:36:19< dougmencken> any automated build scripts maybe? the ones which download all deps via wget and build them? to set compilation and get 1-week ride
20100725 21:37:13< Aethaeryn> There aren't *that* many dependencies.
20100725 21:37:16< Aethaeryn> Mainly sdl and boost.
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20100725 21:37:37< Aethaeryn> I don't remember having to go dependency hunting that long when I set it up on my desktop
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20100725 21:37:54< dougmencken> Aethaeryn: no sure about boost, but SDL is my main graphics library; all games use it or are using opengl and have 0.000001fps
20100725 21:38:34 * dougmencken killed -9/pkilled a lot of opengl games
20100725 21:38:40< dougmencken> :)
20100725 21:38:51< shadowmaster> Boost is a general-purpose C++library
20100725 21:38:55< shadowmaster> Wesnoth also depends on Lua nowadays.
20100725 21:39:05< dougmencken> lua? wow
20100725 21:39:30< dougmencken> used internally? for what?
20100725 21:40:03< shadowmaster> some WML tags are currently implemented as Lua scripts. Lua can also be embedded in scenario code for those who prefers its flexibility 
20100725 21:40:28< shadowmaster> so it's required to run most of Wesnoth due to the WML tags implementation.
20100725 21:40:58< dougmencken> next step will be LISP obviously; okay, wgetting source tarball of 1.8.3
20100725 21:41:06< Octalot> You could install Debian/Ubuntu in a chroot and then use their Wesnoth package, complete with dependencies. I don't know how easy that is to do in Fedora, doing it on an old Debian/Ubuntu is easy (the distro has a debootstrap tool for it).
20100725 21:41:42< shadowmaster> we also use Cairo and Pango.
20100725 21:41:53< shadowmaster> and glib, since it's required by the above.
20100725 21:42:33< Eam_> Wesnoth probably uses only a small part of boost; I would like to Wesnoth include that boost part in Wesnoth; that could save a lot of work compiling boost.  Boost now takes me 5 hrs. to compile and Wesnoth has to be compiled by the same gcc as boost.
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20100725 21:48:51< shadowmaster> Eam_: we are using a lot of Boost, actually
20100725 21:49:16< Eam_> Oh.  OK.  I didn't realize that.  :)
20100725 21:49:33< shadowmaster> regex, iostreams, foreach, smart pointers, and eventually asio, threads and system
20100725 21:49:49< shadowmaster> I think we also use bind somewhere
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20100725 21:52:58< Eam_> bind or bind from boost?
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20100725 21:54:01< PetePorty> I made a dwarf fighter in minecraft...
20100725 21:55:36< Eam_> I was thinking octagon grid would probably give better play than a hex grid but very few games ever seem to use a hex grid.  I wonder why?
20100725 21:56:39< VurtualRuler98> Because it's awkward and makes moving in a sane way physically impossible?
20100725 21:56:45< VurtualRuler98> You want to go north? TOO BAD.
20100725 21:56:52< VurtualRuler98> BACK AND FORTH BACK AND FORTH
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20100725 21:59:37< Eam_> On an octagon grid one could go both North/South and East/West better and then in Wesnoth, for instance, mappers could use bridges easier.
20100725 22:00:16< Eam_> Did Wesnoth's programmers program its grid form scratch?
20100725 22:02:04< PetePorty> You can't make an octagon grid
20100725 22:02:37< PetePorty> you can't tesselate with octagons... it's just impossible.
20100725 22:02:49< Eam_> When I check out game programming software I like to keep an eye out for octagon grid stuff- in case I ever learn enought to use it- but I usually don't see any; that is why I think Wesnoth's programmers must have programmed their hex grid from the bottom up.
20100725 22:03:08< Eam_> tesselate?  What does that mean?
20100725 22:03:14< PetePorty> ...
20100725 22:03:17< PetePorty> look it up
20100725 22:03:24< Eam_> OK.
20100725 22:03:24< PetePorty> it's fill a space with a shape
20100725 22:03:33< PetePorty> you can't usiong regular octagons
20100725 22:03:37< PetePorty> using*
20100725 22:04:44< PetePorty> each interrior angle of an octagon is 135, 360/135=2,6666... That means you can have 2 octagons and 2/3 of another together, thus, you can't have an octagon grid.
20100725 22:04:54< PetePorty> at least not a regular one.
20100725 22:05:48< Eam_> Because of the math when dividing things?
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20100725 22:06:37< PetePorty> ...
20100725 22:06:42< PetePorty> yes.
20100725 22:07:09< PetePorty> just try it, draw an octagon in paint, and cpy/paste it, and try to make a grid, it's impossible.
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20100725 22:07:51< PetePorty> You would leave a lot of space uncovered.
20100725 22:08:13< Gambit> PetePorty: Are you using math and logic? o_o
20100725 22:08:20< PetePorty> you would either have to modify the shape of the octagons (not an option) or leave a big square
20100725 22:08:23< Eam_> That is really strange, and a bit over my head; but it must be the reason- otherwise octagons would take over.  :)
20100725 22:08:27< PetePorty> without covering
20100725 22:08:37< PetePorty> Yes, Gambit.
20100725 22:08:59< e_s-iOS> o.O 
20100725 22:09:14< Gambit> Eam_: You leave a lot of pentagonal holes.
20100725 22:09:17< Gambit> See: soccer ball
20100725 22:09:17< PetePorty> ...
20100725 22:09:25< dougmencken> try in GIMP: draw ocatgon grid, emboss it and then combine layers with "addition" or "color"
20100725 22:09:34< Gambit> err wait that's backwards.
20100725 22:09:36< PetePorty> exactly
20100725 22:09:41< Gambit> Tesselated pentagons leave octagonal holes
20100725 22:09:44< knotwork> I figured he meant 8 directions, as in draw map with squares but allow diagonal movement as well as the cardinal directions
20100725 22:10:20< dougmencken> nite all; sweet dreams
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20100725 22:10:28< PetePorty> still, it is umpossible...
20100725 22:10:31< PetePorty> c ya
20100725 22:10:41< Gambit> Nonpossible.
20100725 22:10:48< PetePorty> anyway, unless you used squares, but that sucks...
20100725 22:10:57< PetePorty> that's right, Gamb
20100725 22:11:10< knotwork> what is the term for octadirectional (or is octadirectional it?)
20100725 22:11:18< PetePorty> U and I are together on my keyboard.
20100725 22:11:34< PetePorty> ...
20100725 22:11:34< Gambit> PetePorty: It's not umpossible.
20100725 22:11:39< Gambit> it's just highly umprobable.
20100725 22:11:45< PetePorty> Inpossible.
20100725 22:11:50< PetePorty> Impossible
20100725 22:11:51< e_s-iOS> U agree
20100725 22:11:57< PetePorty> >.<
20100725 22:12:08< PetePorty> You guys suck...
20100725 22:12:15< e_s-iOS> U'm agreeung wuth all of yoi.
20100725 22:12:19< PetePorty> I would like to see you try and speak in spanish
20100725 22:12:24< Gambit> Gnome desktop effects on high == windows made out of jelly
20100725 22:12:27< Hulavuta> Eh
20100725 22:12:39< PetePorty> O.o
20100725 22:12:47< e_s-iOS> PetePorty: Try speaking Cantonese then.
20100725 22:12:50< e_s-iOS> xD
20100725 22:12:52< PetePorty> I  couldn't set effects...
20100725 22:13:10< Gambit> It's all wibbley wobbley
20100725 22:13:15< Gambit> ... (timey wimey)
20100725 22:13:19< PetePorty> e_s-iOS, I'm speaking english, a foregin language, try and speak spanish, a foregin language to you.
20100725 22:13:35< Gambit> PetePorty: Loqueris Latine?
20100725 22:13:48< PetePorty> Gambit, Espre-you-know-who
20100725 22:13:50< e_s-iOS> I don't know any 'foregin' languages 
20100725 22:13:54< PetePorty> no, I don't speak latin
20100725 22:13:58< Eam_> At the Python game site there was a piece of software that claimed it could be use to progam octagon grids.
20100725 22:14:05< PetePorty> Showed me ED
20100725 22:14:53< e_s-iOS> PetePorty: Chinese is a foreign language to me.
20100725 22:15:00< e_s-iOS> Want me to speack?
20100725 22:15:03< e_s-iOS> Speak*
20100725 22:15:04< PetePorty> Nah.
20100725 22:15:11< Gambit> Habitaras illud?
20100725 22:15:12< PetePorty> lol speack...
20100725 22:15:17< Eam_> If there are any progammers that know how to program an octagon grid it would be Wesnoth's, because they do everything better!  :)
20100725 22:15:25< e_s-iOS> Lol foregin
20100725 22:15:32< Gambit> *Habitas
20100725 22:15:38< Gambit> PetePorty habat ED.
20100725 22:15:49 * PetePorty throws up
20100725 22:15:59< PetePorty> Gambit, I typed 'hello' on ED...
20100725 22:16:09< PetePorty> Now I want to take my eyes off with a spoon...
20100725 22:16:25< Hulavuta> What is ED?
20100725 22:16:32< PetePorty> I wouldn't have thought you-know-who visited such places...
20100725 22:16:39< PetePorty> Hulavuta, something not for your age.
20100725 22:16:57< Eam_> PetePorty are you upset about something?
20100725 22:17:04< Hulavuta> I'm going to google it..
20100725 22:17:04< PetePorty> yes.
20100725 22:17:07< Gambit> Non habo ED. Ask Peteris materam.
20100725 22:17:10< e_s-iOS> PetePorty: We all know you're 50 xD
20100725 22:17:22< PetePorty> exactly!
20100725 22:17:28< PetePorty> wait.
20100725 22:17:34-!- PetePorty is now known as sweetangel13
20100725 22:17:39< sweetangel13> :)
20100725 22:17:45< Eam_> That stuff you told me sounded intelligent.  :)  I hope there is a way around it tho. :)
20100725 22:17:47< e_s-iOS> And we all know Hulavuta is like 12
20100725 22:17:51< e_s-iOS> xD
20100725 22:17:52< sweetangel13> e_s-iOS, hi...
20100725 22:17:54< Hulavuta> I'm not twelves...
20100725 22:17:57< Hulavuta> *twelve
20100725 22:18:00< sweetangel13> Hula is 8, you dumbass
20100725 22:18:06< e_s-iOS> Right.
20100725 22:18:13< Hulavuta> I'm 14...
20100725 22:18:19< sweetangel13> ...lol
20100725 22:18:33< sweetangel13> e_s-iOS, do you like my new nick?
20100725 22:18:48< Hulavuta> He's referencing that sick thing, lol
20100725 22:18:49< e_s-iOS> Um.
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20100725 22:19:21< e_s-iOS> Hi Petey 
20100725 22:19:22-!- Petey is now known as PetePorty
20100725 22:19:44< e_s-iOS> Huh.
20100725 22:20:05< e_s-iOS> That friggin' trannie sweetangel13 is actually PetePorty 
20100725 22:20:15< PetePorty> lol
20100725 22:20:17< e_s-iOS> Watch out, people!
20100725 22:23:13< Eam_> Why don't they sell Linux all over the place anymore?  I still need a newer Linux to compile Wesnoth.
20100725 22:23:51< PetePorty> wtf?
20100725 22:23:55< PetePorty> sell linux?
20100725 22:24:13< e_s-iOS> Eam_: Because everyone went to go buy a Mac :)
20100725 22:24:35< shadowm_laptop> wtf?
20100725 22:24:42< Eam_> Wesnoth is my only love left since it made chess look like a caveman anachronism.  And I do not know of any Wesnoth like games that can compare to Wesnoth.
20100725 22:24:48< shadowm_laptop> derailed channel with annoying teenagers?
20100725 22:24:59< e_s-iOS> Sorry.
20100725 22:25:06< shadowm_laptop> e_s-iOS: not you
20100725 22:25:14< Hulavuta> Me?
20100725 22:25:18< shadowm_laptop> neither
20100725 22:25:21< Hulavuta> yay
20100725 22:25:26 * PetePorty whistles
20100725 22:25:32< PetePorty> Not me.
20100725 22:25:35< e_s-iOS> Un-oh
20100725 22:25:37< shadowm_laptop> PetePorty: yes, you
20100725 22:25:41< PetePorty> also, It's all your fault, shadowm
20100725 22:25:45< e_s-iOS> Uh-oh.
20100725 22:25:46< PetePorty> >.<
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20100725 22:26:12< shadowmaster> don't tell me you weren't expecting that.
20100725 22:26:18 * shadowmaster goes afk again
20100725 22:26:24< Hulavuta> test
20100725 22:26:27< Hulavuta> Okay, it wasn't me
20100725 22:26:27< Eam_> I won't use Mac until I can put OS X on back of a Windows and Linux pc because Apple tries to hard to con and indoctrinate its users out of knowing what is available on its rivals.
20100725 22:26:57< e_s-iOS> I was kidding.
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20100725 22:28:12< Eam_> Why don't they sell Linux everywhere anymore?
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20100725 22:29:33< e_s-iOS> Eam_: As I said, everyone went to buy a Mac. :)
20100725 22:30:35< e_s-iOS> Oh yes.
20100725 22:30:41< e_s-iOS> I use Gnome....
20100725 22:31:20< e_s-iOS> Virtually booted from my Mac :D :lol2: 
20100725 22:31:22< Eam_> Linux can be the meanest cat it the jungle but I spent a lot of time learning to use it; one would think that if Linux is going to play dirty trick like compiling lua without a lua.pc file (only putting lua.pc on distros) that at least linux could make itsself available to more software salesman.
20100725 22:32:02< sevis> Linux has very little to do with compiling.
20100725 22:32:05< Eam_> It really makes me wonder what is going on sometimes.
20100725 22:32:15< Eam_> sevis I compile all the time.
20100725 22:32:40< sevis> So do I.
20100725 22:32:46< shadowm_laptop> Gentoo != All of Linux
20100725 22:33:12< sevis> I mean that it cannot play dirty tricks. You should blame the GNU tools on that.
20100725 22:33:50 * shadowm_laptop watches this accidentally turn into a Linux vs. GNU/Linux discussion
20100725 22:33:52< Eam_> Its about the only thing I know how to do, but with a linux this old satisfying prerequisites does not always satisfy who know what other "prerequisites".
20100725 22:34:48< shadowm_laptop> that's why Debian's package management system rocks. </debianfanboy>
20100725 22:34:58< Eam_> The gnu tools are much better than their reputation.  The reason people complain about them is because they do things better and are used more often.
20100725 22:35:52< sevis> I don't have any issues with most GNU tools, but they're what you should blame weird compilation on.
20100725 22:36:03< shadowmaster> I mean, I didn't have to get a new DVD to upgrade from Stable to Testing.
20100725 22:36:19< shadowmaster> neither for continuing tracking Testing, or pulling packages from Unstable adn Experimental
20100725 22:36:24< e_s-iOS> shadowmaster: Are you switching between computers?
20100725 22:36:27< e_s-iOS> :P 
20100725 22:36:28< shadowmaster> e_s-iOS: no.
20100725 22:36:41< e_s-iOS> Oh.
20100725 22:37:02< shadowmaster> e_s-iOS: shadowm_laptop = irssi running on my laptop. shadowmaster = irssi running on a remote server on a GNU screen session, attached to it from my laptop using SSH.
20100725 22:37:14< e_s-iOS> Oh.
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20100725 22:37:19< e_s-iOS> Cool.
20100725 22:37:46< shadowmaster> overkill? yes. does it help when strange stuff happens with the remote server or freenode? yes.
20100725 22:38:06< Eam_> When a software package starts throwing away gnu tools that often times it getting ready to butt itsself off of Linux.  That is why I wonder about Wesnoth too.  (I mean autotools by gnu tools).  Autotools should by all rights win out in any fair competition about which compiles Wesnoth or anythin else better.
20100725 22:38:34< shadowmaster> GNU tools isn't autotools.
20100725 22:39:08< shadowmaster> for me the GNU tools include things such as coreutils, binutils, gcc, glibc, GNU's libstdc++, etc.
20100725 22:39:12< Eam_> Pardon me for the mistake.  What then is GNU tools.
20100725 22:39:36< Eam_> Oh.
20100725 22:39:39< sevis> CMake is awesome. Scons is awesome.
20100725 22:40:00< shadowmaster> anyway you don't seem to have ever written an autotools recipe. If you did, you'd see why large projects tend to switch to cmake or scons ;)
20100725 22:40:05< Eam_> I have problems compiling some of those sometimes.
20100725 22:41:15< Hulavuta> Anybody remember mad libs?
20100725 22:41:34< shadowmaster> it's fine and dandy with small projects that don't have many dependencies and only a couple of target platforms, but it gets terrible when your project grows like Wesnoth, or KDE.
20100725 22:41:44< Eam_> Binutils hasn't compiled error free for me in a long time.  I thought I could keep this old linux box going for a long time, but I am going to have to get a new Linux.
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20100725 22:44:23< shadowmaster> delicious cake.
20100725 22:44:46< shadowmaster> delicious home-made cake.
20100725 22:44:56< Eam_> After coreutils-5.0 I could never compile coreutils the right way again.  I would after compiling it evenually lose my cursor in my Konsole after compiling a few extra packages.  I think it might be because coreutils may have dropped support for my older keyboard that has less keys.
20100725 22:45:41< Eam_> I still use a 101 keyboard.
20100725 22:45:52< shadowmaster> you do realize that coreutils has ABSOLUTELY NTHING to do with keyboard support.
20100725 22:45:58< shadowmaster> *NOTHING
20100725 22:47:13< Eam_> Then why would it mess up the way did on me only?  Coreutils has something to do with IO I know because its programmer wrote me and was talking about something like IO.
20100725 22:47:40< shadowmaster> http://pastebin.com/WNp3JbdB
20100725 22:47:45< shadowmaster> coreutils 8.5.
20100725 22:48:16< shadowmaster> absolutely nothing to do with keyboard support, which in a graphics server comes from X.org and the kernel.
20100725 22:48:41< shadowmaster> or Xfree86, whatever you are using.
20100725 22:49:59< Eam_> When I bought a newer distro, its more recent coreutils had the same problem with evenutally I would lose the cursor in the Konsole.  The only thing different about my rig is I like my old 101 key keyboard.  I could check my theory if I wanted to but I would have waste a lot of time beina a guinea pig.
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20100725 22:50:28< shadowmaster> sigh.
20100725 22:50:54< elias> just download a distro and try in a VM, no need to buy anything
20100725 22:50:56< shadowmaster> aside note
20100725 22:51:01< shadowmaster> Kids, remember: you don't need to use Gentoo or Linux-From-Scratch to learn how your OS works ^_^
20100725 22:52:01< Eam_> I use an old modem.  It would take weeks or months to download.  They really should be selling Linux too.
20100725 22:52:05< elias> you need to if you want to get a feeling of how long compiling can take :)
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20100725 22:52:18< shadowmaster> Eam_: you know, you can just oder a Ubuntu CD.
20100725 22:52:20< shadowmaster> *order
20100725 22:52:22< elias> ubuntu is shipping their dvd for free
20100725 22:52:25< shadowmaster> or find a Debian distributor near you
20100725 22:52:28< elias> (will take a few weeks of course)
20100725 22:52:34< shadowmaster> or find a SUSE Linux distributor near you
20100725 22:52:59< shadowmaster> there are pages dedicated to listing where you can buy retail versions of Linux
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20100725 22:53:46< shadowmaster> also pages that will teach you that coreutils has nothing to do with hardware support.
20100725 22:54:16< Eam_> There is no place that distributes the latest SuSE on the internet outside of Novel and Novel would freeze my browser.  I know SuSE's every strength and weakness and I would hate to switch after all these years.
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20100725 22:55:02< Eam_> Those pages are come ons.  Anytime you go to buy Linux you find out it isn't really there.
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20100725 22:55:19< shadowmaster> unless you call the ability to copym, move/rename, link, concatenate, change permissions, change owner, write, update timestamps of files "hardware support"
20100725 22:55:32< shadowmaster> so quit the uninformed trolling, please :)
20100725 22:56:52< elias> http://software.opensuse.org/113/en
20100725 22:57:26< elias> seems i could just download open suse (or order the enterprise or whatever version from novell)
20100725 22:57:28< Eam_> Debian would cut me out of SuSE.  Ubuntu want me to be a slave to user.   And the best way to keep SuSE going is to stay away from SuSE sites.  And no places sells Linux anymore; the places that pretend to are frauds.  And Linux out of a magazine is come on that will never work.
20100725 22:57:38< shadowmaster> elias: I downloaded 11.2 some months ago!
20100725 22:57:43< shadowmaster> dunno why
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20100725 22:57:58< shadowmaster> oh, come on
20100725 22:58:06< elias> i downloaded fedora and solaris to test if something works on it
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20100725 22:58:24<@shadowmaster> oops
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20100725 22:58:31< Hulavuta> wut
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20100725 22:59:07< shadowmaster> obvious troll is obvious.
20100725 22:59:10< elias> heh
20100725 22:59:25< shadowmaster> carry on, people, nothing to see here.
20100725 22:59:36< Hulavuta> Ok
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20100725 23:02:50< The_User> is stuff like that allowed: #define FOO_{BAR}…#enddef
20100725 23:02:54< The_User> ?
20100725 23:02:57< shadowmaster> The_User: no
20100725 23:03:18< The_User> grr…
20100725 23:03:24< shadowmaster> there's a very tiny chance that it might work in practice, but that'd be Undefined Behavior.
20100725 23:04:09< shadowmaster> which means that it's likely to bite you in the rear whenever we fix some obscure bug or apply some nifty optimization
20100725 23:04:27< shadowmaster> alternatively, consider using custom events if it's applicable to your case.
20100725 23:05:12< The_User> it does not work
20100725 23:05:21< The_User> but I noticed that I do not need it
20100725 23:05:49< The_User> #define FOO BAR is just fine for me :D
20100725 23:08:18< The_User> that would be some kind of a closure in the preprocessor :D
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20100725 23:17:22< Aethaeryn> They really need to start selling Linux. It's so simple an idea, but it's probably very profitable.
20100725 23:17:40< Aethaeryn> I would suggest to really start targeting enterprises, and charge for support.
20100725 23:18:49 * shadowm_laptop . O o *wince* (Nothing to see here...)
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20100725 23:19:47< Aethaeryn> Oh, they should also wear red hats when they sell Linux.
20100725 23:20:11< shadowm_laptop> Aethaeryn: hi.
20100725 23:20:16< shadowm_laptop> nothing to see here.
20100725 23:20:22< shadowm_laptop> got it?
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20100725 23:21:35< The_User> Aethaeryn: this idea is a great invention
20100725 23:21:42< The_User> :D
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20100725 23:27:36< Chris7mas> anyone on for a ladder game?
20100725 23:27:48< artisticdude> elvish_sovereign: You there?
20100725 23:29:04< artisticdude> Hmm. Guess not.
20100725 23:29:17< Eam_> Hello again.  Sorry but I was someone butted from the chat channel and it took me sometime to get back again.  :)
20100725 23:29:39< Hulavuta> um....
20100725 23:29:46< shadowm_laptop> Eam_: so you are evading a ban. How nice from you.
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20100725 23:30:24< Eam_> shadown_laptop How did you know I got a bogus ban message?
20100725 23:30:33< shadowmaster> it wasn't bogus.
20100725 23:30:44< Eam_> I am banned?
20100725 23:31:09< Eam_> Aren't I supposed to be here?
20100725 23:31:10< shadowmaster> yes. For uninformed trolling about Linux. :(
20100725 23:31:35< Eam_> shadwmaster Are you who banned me?
20100725 23:31:55 * shadowmaster raises hand.
20100725 23:32:03< Eam_> What is "uniformed trolling"?
20100725 23:32:24< shadowmaster> basically what you were doing. :)
20100725 23:32:36< shadowmaster> (and rejecting actual explanations for stuff such as binutils)
20100725 23:32:38< Eam_> Who banned me?  Am I supposed to leave?  Aren't I welcome?
20100725 23:33:17< Eam_> Who banned me?
20100725 23:33:29< shadowmaster> 17:31:35 <Eam_> shadwmaster Are you who banned me?
20100725 23:33:30< shadowmaster> 17:31:54  * shadowmaster raises hand.
20100725 23:33:39< shadowmaster> now, if you can keep it to yourself, and keep in mind that this isn't ##linux...
20100725 23:34:15< Eam_> In other words you banned me shadowmaster?  Say yes if you did.
20100725 23:34:28< Hulavuta> yes he did
20100725 23:34:46< shadowmaster> there's proof above, below and to the right, so, yes, I did. Obviously
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20100725 23:35:09< artisticdude> 'uniformed' trolling? :P
20100725 23:35:24< Eam_> Well then fuck him.  I won't stay where I am not welcome for no reason at all.  Bye. :)
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20100725 23:35:24< shadowmaster> artisticdude: he missed the n before the f
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20100725 23:36:13< Hulavuta> Bye
20100725 23:36:14< artisticdude> I know. It just struck me as funny that an innocent typo results in that meaning.
20100725 23:36:36< Hulavuta> Troll in a Tux
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20100725 23:37:23< shadowmaster> if there wasn't enough reason already, then I give two additional reason
20100725 23:37:37< shadowmaster> 1) referring to me in the third person when I'm in the channel.
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20100725 23:37:48< shadowmaster> 2) Being unable to read.
20100725 23:37:53 * shadowmaster shrugs.
20100725 23:40:48< Hulavuta> artisticdude: Are you still there?
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