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20100727 00:11:14< dougmencken> heh, re-playing it... on each my turn I get: "This replay is corrupt/out of sync"
20100727 00:11:32< dougmencken> ~10 times each my turn
20100727 00:11:56< dougmencken> clicking on "No" and everything is fine
20100727 00:12:05< dougmencken> but I *feel* something is wrong
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20100727 00:12:20< dougmencken> I used vanilla 1.8.3 tarball to build
20100727 00:12:28< dougmencken> nothing was modified in source code
20100727 00:13:21< dougmencken> "unfound location for source movement"
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20100727 00:16:00< dougmencken> each turn this error
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20100727 00:16:18< dougmencken> maybe endianess problem? (I'm on big endian machine) can't see other reason
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20100727 00:17:15< dougmencken> well, time to go to devs channel; they are not here, right?
20100727 00:19:20< dougmencken> AI is perfect, very very perfect; AI plays at the level of very experienced human player
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20100727 00:23:47< dougmencken> on turn 16, there was nothing on that cells in straight north... but replay shows them... even slain on 6th trun purple leader
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20100727 00:25:22< dougmencken> maybe it's not error on my side, maybe it's replay recorder error?
20100727 00:25:31< dougmencken> or replay player?
20100727 00:25:59< dougmencken> (well, no, player will error other players rather than only my turns)
20100727 00:26:15< dougmencken> (if it will be endianess problem)
20100727 00:26:52< dougmencken> btw, there was no "out of sync" errors when we played
20100727 00:27:08< dougmencken> >>>>>>>> anybody alive here? <<<<<<<<<<<,
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20100727 00:36:37< VurtualRuler98> Nope, all headcrab zombies.
20100727 00:36:38< VurtualRuler98> All the time.
20100727 00:37:51< dougmencken> VurtualRuler98: wow, happy to see somebody still alive
20100727 00:38:22< Gambit> We're all alive.
20100727 00:38:28< Gambit> We toys see everything.
20100727 00:38:33< Gambit> So play nice.
20100727 00:38:42 * VurtualRuler98 rotates head around
20100727 00:38:57 * Gambit crawls out of the mud and grabs dougmencken's ankle
20100727 00:39:43 * thespaceinvader groans and lurches out of the wrong side of a half-empty two shot to claw at dougmencken's ear
20100727 00:40:18< dougmencken> ^^^ definitely bots
20100727 00:40:39< dougmencken> okay, where are the devs?
20100727 00:40:49< Valkier> In my pants.
20100727 00:40:58< Valkier> It's comfy there. For all involved.
20100727 00:40:59< VurtualRuler98> bbzzzzzbeep boop, scaring off people who make copyright-content-based-campaigns
20100727 00:41:00< VurtualRuler98> as usual
20100727 00:41:17< thespaceinvader> the devs are busy
20100727 00:41:23< VurtualRuler98> so meanwhile I do everything I can, ever, to make as many realllly bad lotr mp maps and parodies of things as possible.
20100727 00:41:30< thespaceinvader> and in #wesnoth-dev, shockingly enough
20100727 00:41:46< dougmencken> here on freenode? okay, trying it
20100727 00:42:06< thespaceinvader> but filling it with your random gumf about broken replays will not be appreciated
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20100727 00:42:38< dougmencken> thespaceinvader: it was segfault in the most insteresting moment of the game
20100727 00:42:48< thespaceinvader> mm
20100727 00:42:50< dougmencken> thespaceinvader: and this replay is from your site
20100727 00:43:00< thespaceinvader> i've had that happen a couple times in 1.8.3
20100727 00:43:16< thespaceinvader> if it happens again i muyst remember to screenshot the error message and post a bug report
20100727 00:43:22< dougmencken> thespaceinvader: then we shall help them to figure out where the problem is
20100727 00:43:31< thespaceinvader> precisely
20100727 00:43:45< thespaceinvader> if it's reproducible in a reliable manner, please post a bug report
20100727 00:43:52< dougmencken> thespaceinvader: there was no screenshot, only "[12]+  Segmentation fault      wesnoth > /dev/null 2>&"
20100727 00:44:07< thespaceinvader> hmm
20100727 00:44:07< dougmencken> thespaceinvader: yep, play 27 turns with 8 players in 4 teams for 3,5 hours
20100727 00:44:26< dougmencken> on random map with timelimit 2+1/0
20100727 00:44:41< thespaceinvader> if it is reproducible (as in, you can load the replay/save game and it will crash out at the same point each time you do) then please post a bug report
20100727 00:44:49< thespaceinvader> srsly
20100727 00:44:49< dougmencken> thespaceinvader: how can I know all that random map stuff and such? I think it's all inside replay stored
20100727 00:45:01< thespaceinvader> ugh, forget it
20100727 00:45:06< thespaceinvader> i need sleep
20100727 00:45:11< thespaceinvader> can someone else explain this?
20100727 00:45:42< dougmencken> thespaceinvader: okay, I'll use gdb session next time
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20100727 00:48:47< Gambit> dougmencken: If the same replay causes the same segfault at the same spot every time you play it, then file a bug report with the save file attached.
20100727 00:49:13< Gambit> The devs will use their voodoo magic on the game.
20100727 00:49:35< Gambit> And they never saw little segfault again...
20100727 00:52:43< dougmencken> Gambit: hwta's stored inside replay gzipped file?
20100727 00:52:50< dougmencken> s/hwta/what
20100727 00:52:54< Gambit> everything
20100727 00:52:59< Gambit> Enough information to recreate the game.
20100727 00:53:08< Gambit> Everything that happened.
20100727 00:53:17< Gambit> The values of every variable.
20100727 00:53:20< dougmencken> Gambit: map info, turn info? then they will be able to see it
20100727 00:53:27< Gambit> Everything.
20100727 00:53:28< dougmencken> so they will be
20100727 00:54:17< dougmencken> and watching all 27 turns tooks ~2 hours
20100727 00:54:32< dougmencken> (I'm on 19th turn now)
20100727 00:55:03< dougmencken> as I see, there's no such possibility to skip to Nth turn
20100727 00:55:04< Gambit> Everything on the planet.
20100727 00:55:08< Gambit> Everything in the solar system.
20100727 00:55:12< Gambit> Everything that exists.
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20100727 00:55:23< Gambit> Past, present, and future in all discovered and undiscovered dimensions.
20100727 00:55:37< Gambit> Oh...
20100727 00:55:42< Gambit> And Hugh Jackman.
20100727 00:55:44< dougmencken> then this replay stored on your server will be enough
20100727 00:55:46< Blarumyrran> If you delete the save, the game will have never happened.
20100727 00:55:57< Blarumyrran> Our memories of this discussion will disappear
20100727 00:57:07< Blarumyrran> and there might be tornados in Texas
20100727 00:57:36< Blarumyrran> Better not tamper with such
20100727 00:57:54< dougmencken> do you really think I'm kidding about this segfault?
20100727 00:58:01< Blarumyrran> no, of course not
20100727 00:58:07< Blarumyrran> I get segfaults all the time
20100727 00:58:17< Gambit> No. Clearly it is as serious a matter as you are making it and we should alert the FBI.
20100727 00:58:24< Gambit> reproduce
20100727 00:58:28< Gambit> bugs.wesnoth.org
20100727 00:58:28< dougmencken> Blarumyrran: then be serious then, okay? Gambit: and you
20100727 00:58:29< Gambit> describe
20100727 00:58:33< Gambit> attach save file
20100727 00:58:35< Gambit> fire and forget
20100727 00:58:49< Gambit> And one day weeks or months or a year from now you'll wake up and check your email inbox
20100727 00:59:00< Gambit> And you will see an email from an automated bot over at GNA
20100727 00:59:07< Gambit> and it will say that your bug's status is now fixed
20100727 00:59:08< dougmencken> Gambit: I'm reporting ~10 bugs each week; so...
20100727 00:59:16< Gambit> and then you'll wait a month or two and the new version of wesnoth will be out
20100727 00:59:20< Gambit> and the bug will be gone
20100727 00:59:23< dougmencken> WONTFIX WORKSFORME
20100727 00:59:32< Gambit> But you will have forgotten about your silly year old save by then
20100727 00:59:55< dougmencken> Gambit: and you will continue to segfault
20100727 01:00:03< dougmencken> s/you/wesnoth/
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20100727 01:01:15< dougmencken> also, what about SVN version? how are they? can I play built-from-SVN wesnoth on off. server?
20100727 01:03:10< Gambit> Also if you're getting WONTFIX WORKSFORME then that's your setup. Not the game.
20100727 01:03:14< dougmencken> steps to reproduce: build vanilla 1.8.3 for linux on powerpc big endian natively (not via cross-build); create random map for 8 players; play 27 turns in 3 hours << okay?
20100727 01:03:17< Zerovirus> THUNDERSTORMS
20100727 01:03:38< dougmencken> Gambit: yep, I have "exotic" platform
20100727 01:08:25< dougmencken> and there's two types of devs: one, which want their program to work correctly on eveything (like gcc devs, uclibc devs, e2fsprogs devs, ...) and second (like fedora guys) who "don't care" about anything they can "re-produce"; first ones send me patches to test; second ones say "WORKSFORME"; which type is wesonth devs?
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20100727 01:13:07< dougmencken> first ones read logs I give them, trying to figure it out, making some patches, sometimes two or three variants to build; second ones try to build natively inside emulator, which is ~1 week for binutils; and then of course it will be impossible to play (~0.000001fps)
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20100727 01:16:50< dougmencken> and even if wesnoth devs going to second group, anyway, this game is very great; so... no bug report till second segfault
20100727 01:17:27< dougmencken> (the problem is that random map is not re-productible at all; and all info is inside replay)
20100727 01:21:36< noy> Uh, whats the point of your passive aggressive posting dougmencken?
20100727 01:22:11< noy> do you really think that what you've said above will make anyone want to help you?
20100727 01:22:31< noy> It doesn't for me personally. 
20100727 01:23:40< dougmencken> noy: at least it is logged and somebody sometimes will read it, and got something
20100727 01:24:53< dougmencken> noy: there's no need to help me, I'm fine, Wesnoth The Great Game << it needs help; if segfaulting in the middle of battle is okay...
20100727 01:27:48< noy> It happens, we generally try to fix it roughly according to priority. You hyperventilating about it on here doesn't help at all. 
20100727 01:28:41< dougmencken> noy: this is not dev channel, it is generally speaking channel, so...
20100727 01:29:06< dougmencken> I'm just saying my opinion
20100727 01:29:06< noy> So that makes it okay! 
20100727 01:29:09< Zerovirus> Exactly. So why are you talking here instead of the dev channel?
20100727 01:30:32< noy> my suggestion is that you file the bug report and see what comes out of it. 
20100727 01:31:14< Gambit> Reporting bugs in the dev channel is unwise anyway.
20100727 01:31:24< Zerovirus> Really?
20100727 01:31:26< Gambit> Unless it's tiny, they may forget entirely.
20100727 01:31:32< Zerovirus> Eh, I've never really reported a bug ever.
20100727 01:32:17< Valkier> Zerovirus: http://forums.wesnoth.org/download/file.php?id=43671
20100727 01:32:33< Zerovirus> Legs still a bit stubby
20100727 01:32:33< Gambit> I usually ask and discuss the bug (because I ussually don't know all the details myself) in the dev channel and then file a report for them.
20100727 01:32:43< Zerovirus> But the outlines help a whole lot
20100727 01:32:43< Valkier> Screw you! No they're not!
20100727 01:32:45 * Valkier cries
20100727 01:32:50< Zerovirus> sowwy
20100727 01:33:00< Zerovirus> The important thing though is that it FEELS like a sprite now
20100727 01:33:03< Valkier> lol. All good. I'm basically doing this just for the hell of it anyhow.
20100727 01:33:04< Zerovirus> Not a blurry sketch
20100727 01:33:20< Valkier> But I think I may notcable improvement with each attempt.
20100727 01:33:25< Valkier> noticable*
20100727 01:33:35< Zerovirus> Ignoring all grammar and spelling errors :P
20100727 01:33:37< Blarumyrran> The blades look like marshmellows
20100727 01:33:38< Zerovirus> But yeah you're right
20100727 01:33:39< Valkier> yeah. :-P
20100727 01:33:43< Zerovirus> Three sprites in and you're improving a lot
20100727 01:33:52< Valkier> Blarumyrran: Why don't you take a big step back
20100727 01:33:54< Valkier> And literally
20100727 01:33:57< Zerovirus> Why does he have a ring on his head anyways?
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20100727 01:33:59< Valkier> F*** YOUR OWN FACE
20100727 01:34:00< Gambit> Zerovirus: Who is that :o
20100727 01:34:08< Zerovirus> Who is what?
20100727 01:34:08< Gambit> I'm tempted to label him "The Gatekeeper"
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20100727 01:34:13< Blarumyrran> Valkier, what does that even look like
20100727 01:34:13< Gambit> err
20100727 01:34:15< Gambit> Valkier: Who is that?
20100727 01:34:19< VurtualRuler98> Like ghostbusters, gambit?
20100727 01:34:20< Valkier> Who?
20100727 01:34:24< Zerovirus> I'm tempted to do the opposite of what I do usually with Valk's stuff
20100727 01:34:28< Zerovirus> And draw this guy a portrait
20100727 01:34:30< Valkier> lol
20100727 01:34:32< Zerovirus> Except then I remembered I can't draw
20100727 01:34:35< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: No. Just a really badarse guard.
20100727 01:34:41< Valkier> Well the portrait for him would be this massive looking armored dude.
20100727 01:34:51< Valkier> But I wanted to keep away from the biggerism thing, so I kept him tinier.
20100727 01:34:54< Zerovirus> He doesn't really show massive armor though :P
20100727 01:35:01< Zerovirus> He looks like a megaman sprite to me
20100727 01:35:02< Zerovirus> :P
20100727 01:35:03< Blarumyrran> Valkier, and how does taking a big step back help
20100727 01:35:05< Valkier> Rock on
20100727 01:35:09< Valkier> I'm going to Capcom.
20100727 01:35:11< Valkier> Later, jerks.
20100727 01:35:14< Zerovirus> :P
20100727 01:35:23< Valkier> Ho ho ho
20100727 01:35:24< Blarumyrran> Zerovirus, what became of your tanks & tiny soldiers game
20100727 01:35:35< Zerovirus> They make you do huge spritesheets from other peoples' baseframes and concept art
20100727 01:35:37< Valkier> And the ring on his jead is just for fun.
20100727 01:35:41< Zerovirus> Uh, it's still in prouction apparently
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20100727 01:35:52< Zerovirus> the ring is what makes it look like megaman
20100727 01:36:03< Zerovirus> A billion robot masters have stylized cartoon forehead emblems
20100727 01:36:12< Zerovirus> Shadow man, metal man, gemini man, etc.
20100727 01:36:15< Gambit> silly self advertising irc clients
20100727 01:36:18< Zerovirus> And of course Ring Man
20100727 01:36:39< Valkier> How about hollow circle man?
20100727 01:36:55< Valkier> Or see through checker piece man?
20100727 01:36:55< Gambit> Valkier: I want a clock on his chest
20100727 01:36:57< Gambit> and inside the circle
20100727 01:37:06< Valkier> lol
20100727 01:37:06< Gambit> err
20100727 01:37:08< VurtualRuler98> Don't forget gentle manne and their tower of hats
20100727 01:37:09< Gambit> the clock on his head
20100727 01:37:14< Gambit> and a pendulum in his chest!
20100727 01:37:15< Gambit> YESSS
20100727 01:37:16< Zerovirus> The ultimate robot master
20100727 01:37:18< Zerovirus> WO MAN
20100727 01:37:23< Zerovirus> He has the power of WO
20100727 01:37:26< Valkier> Well I'll maybe toy with this guy tonight some more. Give him a sword instead of whatever I have him holding, and try to beef up his armor a bit.
20100727 01:37:39< Gambit> I like his exotic weapon
20100727 01:37:40< Zerovirus> His outline is still a bit clonky in places though
20100727 01:37:44< Zerovirus> Try and make it smoother
20100727 01:37:51< Valkier> I will rape your hands.
20100727 01:38:02< VurtualRuler98> The ability to call falcons and signal a horse to slow down or stop?
20100727 01:38:22< Valkier> No, Wo is the ability to pick women up at a bar.
20100727 01:38:30< Valkier> I guess then he throws them at Megaman.. or something.
20100727 01:38:43< VurtualRuler98> Then they stick to him like a headcrab.
20100727 01:38:48< Zerovirus> That would be a really scary boss to fight
20100727 01:38:55< Zerovirus> I suck at dodging large projectiles
20100727 01:39:03< Valkier> All his projectiles sound like "Buy me a drink!"
20100727 01:39:09< Zerovirus> HAHAHA
20100727 01:39:10< Blarumyrran> Dodging bullets is for newbs, though
20100727 01:39:24< VurtualRuler98> If you manage to detach them, you lose all the ammunition for your current weapon in the divorce settlement
20100727 01:39:40< Valkier> He only gets middle aged women though. The ring on his head lures them to him like a siren to sailors.
20100727 01:40:08< Gambit> Valkier: isn't that simile backwards?
20100727 01:40:08< Zerovirus> Defeated Wo Man! You got... -music plays- femme shield! (It turns you into a woman and makes you invulnerable to all attacks for a while)
20100727 01:40:18< Blarumyrran> "Is that a big metal ring on your head or you're happy to see me?"
20100727 01:40:28< shadowmaster> lemon pie...delicious lemon pie.
20100727 01:40:29< Gambit> ...
20100727 01:40:38< Valkier> The music to Wo Man: I wake up in the morning feel like P Diddy
20100727 01:41:02< shadowmaster> hi PeterPorty 
20100727 01:41:04< Zerovirus> Oh god no
20100727 01:41:10< Zerovirus> Wo Man is Ke$ha?
20100727 01:41:13< PeterPorty> Hi, shadowmaster 
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20100727 01:41:19< Valkier> Get shot, gonna rock, cause I got this ring on top. Going down, like a clown, cause I kicked you in the crown.
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20100727 01:41:31< Zerovirus> I wrote tik tok lyrics about terrorism once.
20100727 01:41:35< Zerovirus> Lemme see if I can dig them up.
20100727 01:41:55< Valkier> So I have been trying out that League of Legends game.
20100727 01:42:09< Valkier> I only enjoy it when I get to use characters that piss off the entire other team.
20100727 01:44:03< Zerovirus> Ah I can't find it
20100727 01:44:26< Gambit> ¯\(°_o)/¯
20100727 01:44:52< Zerovirus> Wake up in the morning feeling like a terrorist, Get my prayers on, I’m out the door - I’m gonna bomb some sh#t
20100727 01:44:56< Zerovirus> That was the first line
20100727 01:44:59< Zerovirus> I'm trying to find the rest
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20100727 02:03:43< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: oh, that sounds like me at work every day.
20100727 02:03:54< Zerovirus> ...Huh.
20100727 02:03:56< VurtualRuler98> You have an interesting job.
20100727 02:04:03< shadowmaster> except that I don't pray, for I do not adhere to any mainstream religion, and I bomb my own laptop with unstable software.
20100727 02:04:07< Zerovirus> Well I don't work and I'm not religious so.
20100727 02:04:16< shadowmaster> (I *could* blow up the screen)
20100727 02:04:16< VurtualRuler98> viva la IE6 eh
20100727 02:04:41< shadowmaster> s/software/graphics drivers/
20100727 02:05:02< shadowmaster> they aren't unstable in practice, but the label on the box says they are and that I should prepare for the unexpected.
20100727 02:05:12< VurtualRuler98> Drivers are just plain unhappy. They'll run a game one moment, and then after an irrelivant issue, one of your favorite games now BSODs for no discernable reason.
20100727 02:05:23< Blarumyrran> Do you adhere to a nonmainstream religion?
20100727 02:05:29< shadowmaster> testing bleeding edge software is fun, unless it's Wesnoth.
20100727 02:05:51< shadowmaster> after all, I'm running a whole bleeding edge (relatively) OS.
20100727 02:05:54< shadowmaster> :/
20100727 02:06:13< Gambit> And he keeps it under control!
20100727 02:07:13< VurtualRuler98> The unexpected? Okay: crossbow, pistol, box full of various rewritable mediums, multi-OS laptop, lockpick/security-circumventing software/other such box, crowbar, fancy breathingy thingy with rebreather and gasmask, first aid, GPS.
20100727 02:07:25< VurtualRuler98> Every single potential situation is now easily dealt with.
20100727 02:07:35< VurtualRuler98> I never go anywhere without all of the above with me.
20100727 02:08:03< Gambit> grappling hook?
20100727 02:08:31< Zerovirus> Every single situation?
20100727 02:08:37< VurtualRuler98> Well I guess rope would help, but I'd pull a D&D and accidentally bring 300 feet of rope by accident.
20100727 02:08:41< Zerovirus> lol
20100727 02:09:08< Zerovirus> Alright, you're in the Louvre and you accudentally drop your crowbar and break a valuable vase or something like that.
20100727 02:09:09< VurtualRuler98> Anything from an MP3 player not working, to covert operations, car crash into water, derilict space station, or revolution.
20100727 02:09:10< Zerovirus> Fix this
20100727 02:09:21< Blarumyrran> Zerovirus, pistol
20100727 02:09:34< Zerovirus> You mean you shoot your way out and go on to be a renegade?
20100727 02:09:36< Zerovirus> ...I guess that works.
20100727 02:09:40< VurtualRuler98> duct tape is in the first aid kit.
20100727 02:09:40< Blarumyrran> Or crossbow if you want to go out in style
20100727 02:09:59< Zerovirus> ...Alright.
20100727 02:10:05< VurtualRuler98> heal up the vase good.
20100727 02:10:10< Zerovirus> >.<
20100727 02:10:21< Zerovirus> You light your house on fire. What do?
20100727 02:10:37< VurtualRuler98> slap on the breather thingy, break open a water pipe nearby.
20100727 02:10:51< VurtualRuler98> or fire extinguisher nearby
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20100727 02:12:29< VurtualRuler98> Out of ideas yet?
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20100727 02:13:49< Gambit> Alien invasion
20100727 02:14:09< VurtualRuler98> What kind of invasion? Total war? Attempting to take over the planet?
20100727 02:14:14< VurtualRuler98> Also, write a virus, of course.
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20100727 02:14:30< Blarumyrran> Gambit, aliens are always vulnerable to something trivial that is accessible to you
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20100727 02:14:44< Zerovirus> Hmm. Your floss get stuck in your teeth and you can't get it out.
20100727 02:14:45< VurtualRuler98> Basically preform simple terrorism acts to their entire system.
20100727 02:14:49< Blarumyrran> The fewer things you have, the easier time you have finding them
20100727 02:14:58< VurtualRuler98> Mostly harmless inherently, but using methods that can easily take out their main center network.
20100727 02:15:23< VurtualRuler98> okay, pull out a tiny mirror from the first aid kit and use that to help me work the string out.
20100727 02:16:57< Blarumyrran> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=199
20100727 02:17:33< Zerovirus> Hmm. You lose your girlfriend's generic meaningful gift to you by accidentally dropping it into a muddy river.
20100727 02:17:54< VurtualRuler98> magnet.
20100727 02:18:06< Zerovirus> What if it's something like a love letter?
20100727 02:18:11< Zerovirus> Or for our sake, no metals
20100727 02:18:22< VurtualRuler98> Jump in and start searching, duh
20100727 02:22:09< Zerovirus> Okay how about this
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20100727 02:22:22< Zerovirus> A bad haircut and accidental dip in chemicals leaves you with white hair
20100727 02:22:33< Zerovirus> very short white hair
20100727 02:22:35< Hulavuta> There, I handled my troll maturely 
20100727 02:22:55< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: I'm proud of you, son.
20100727 02:23:09< Hulavuta> :-D
20100727 02:23:22< shadowmaster> You have finally accepted your inevitable association to the Dark Side.
20100727 02:23:27< Hulavuta> wut
20100727 02:23:32 * shadowmaster *Vader breath*
20100727 02:23:43< Hulavuta> Wouldn't I go to the Dark Side
20100727 02:23:46< Hulavuta> If I flamed him back/
20100727 02:23:48< Hulavuta> *?
20100727 02:24:02< shadowmaster> nah. This is a really obscure in-joke.
20100727 02:24:13< Zerovirus> What troll?
20100727 02:24:16< Hulavuta> Star Wars, right?
20100727 02:24:21< shadowmaster> I'm referncing the fact that the people who used to deal with forum trolls (i.e. the moderators) used to be the "Forum Sith"
20100727 02:24:27< Hulavuta> OOooohhhHhhhh
20100727 02:24:29< Blarumyrran> Heh, obscure
20100727 02:24:39< Blarumyrran> ~ dark
20100727 02:24:48< shadowmaster> where that ... even more obscure in-joke started, I don't know. It was there at the time I joined.
20100727 02:24:59< shadowmaster> those were good times.
20100727 02:25:07< shadowmaster> watching Maeglin Dubh in action was fun.
20100727 02:25:19< VurtualRuler98> Okay, I have... hair.
20100727 02:25:27< VurtualRuler98> What's so bad about this?
20100727 02:25:54< Zerovirus> ...You're not going to try to fix it?
20100727 02:25:55< Hulavuta> I have hair too
20100727 02:25:58< Hulavuta> Not very much
20100727 02:26:03< Zerovirus> How are you going to live with your friends' laughter?
20100727 02:26:06< VurtualRuler98> Put on sunglasses and act like Jock from Deus Ex.
20100727 02:26:06< Zerovirus> Your social life?
20100727 02:26:09< Zerovirus> Oh wow
20100727 02:26:14< Zerovirus> BUT YOU DONT HAVE SUNGLASSES IN YOUR KIT
20100727 02:26:15< Zerovirus> SO I WIN
20100727 02:26:20< VurtualRuler98> I always have them on.
20100727 02:26:25< VurtualRuler98> Even at night, my vision is augmented.
20100727 02:26:34< Zerovirus> I give up.
20100727 02:27:04< Hulavuta> The odd part is that he admitted he was a troll, and then he complimented me on handling it maturely
20100727 02:27:31< Hulavuta> And then he called me an idiot again
20100727 02:27:38< VurtualRuler98> Also having additional things like a disguise kit/fully contained power armor would be a good idea.
20100727 02:31:17< PeterPorty> Virtual, I luv that game.
20100727 02:31:31< VurtualRuler98> and maybe a bomb
20100727 02:31:42< VurtualRuler98> besides the bombs for opening doors/breaking locks/scaring cats
20100727 02:32:22< PeterPorty> why bombs when you can get a LAM?
20100727 02:32:32< PeterPorty> no wait...
20100727 02:32:35< PeterPorty> nvm
20100727 02:33:15< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, who was trolling you?
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20100727 02:34:20< shadowmaster> some random forumer
20100727 02:34:39< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: Doesn't matter anymore
20100727 02:34:53< PeterPorty> ahh... the guy on your topic?
20100727 02:34:53< Hulavuta> I'd tell you but you'd just blow it out of proportion, no offense
20100727 02:35:06< VurtualRuler98> On the further topic of Deus Ex, I have consistently thought about recreating the entirety of it in Wesnoth, making it turn based. Or at least a cyberpunk-themed campaign.
20100727 02:35:19< PeterPorty> that's why the thread got deleteed?
20100727 02:35:24< Hulavuta> It got deleted?
20100727 02:35:32< PeterPorty> yeahz...
20100727 02:35:36< PeterPorty> I think....
20100727 02:35:58< PeterPorty> Virtual, I had the same idea
20100727 02:36:00< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: no.
20100727 02:36:03< PeterPorty> but... copyright
20100727 02:36:06< shadowmaster> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29834 it lives
20100727 02:36:18< PeterPorty> huh... weird...
20100727 02:36:48< shadowmaster> and no, I haven't put my Mighty Foot™ on it ever.
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20100727 02:36:49< shadowmaster> yet.
20100727 02:36:54< PeterPorty> ...did you... un-delete it rright now?
20100727 02:37:02< PeterPorty> oh... weird...
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20100727 02:37:33< shadowmaster> your eyes are deceiving your brain.
20100727 02:37:41< shadowmaster> or maybe part of your brain is deceiving the rest.
20100727 02:37:56< shadowmaster> neuroscience is fascinatingly...inexact.
20100727 02:38:10< PeterPorty> damn, I'm just too tired...
20100727 02:38:24< Blarumyrran> In truth, shadowmaster is deceiving your brain
20100727 02:38:24< PeterPorty> way more sport than the one I can handle...
20100727 02:38:37< PeterPorty> I'm already used to that
20100727 02:38:41< PeterPorty> :p
20100727 02:39:32< PeterPorty> is the RPG creatin kit worth anything?
20100727 02:39:36< PeterPorty> I mean... is it good?
20100727 02:39:44< shadowmaster> (yes, I know the eyes aren't involved in mental processes and function as receptors of light, and nothing else, while the brain does all of the image postprocessing, analysis and related mind processes)
20100727 02:42:04< Zerovirus> knife eyes?
20100727 02:42:08< Zerovirus> Where's that mcninja link
20100727 02:42:22< VurtualRuler98> KNIFE EYE ATTACK EEAAAAGH
20100727 02:42:31< VurtualRuler98> Wait, the brain does postprocessing?
20100727 02:42:34< VurtualRuler98> No wonder real life lagged so much
20100727 02:42:36< Hulavuta> yes
20100727 02:42:37< Hulavuta> no
20100727 02:43:28< Hulavuta> I just killed the convo
20100727 02:43:48< VurtualRuler98> Anyways, a story and music more like Deus Ex would make campaigns almost worth playing.
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20100727 02:44:23< VurtualRuler98> Recreating it in detail would be exceedingly complex, while an original story would require an actual decent understanding of cyberpunk.
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20100727 02:44:39< Hulavuta> I don't think it would fit with the Wesnoth world
20100727 02:44:43< Blarumyrran> I once tried to make a pacman-like mp scenario, where players were fish
20100727 02:44:57< VurtualRuler98> That's why you use an original setting, durr.
20100727 02:44:58< Blarumyrran> But yeah, deus ex is probably a better inspiration
20100727 02:45:47< PeterPorty> Virtual, DeusEx's story sucked
20100727 02:45:57< PeterPorty> completely predictable...
20100727 02:46:09< PeterPorty> It's just that the gameplay was pretty good.
20100727 02:46:15< VurtualRuler98> ...predictable?
20100727 02:46:24< VurtualRuler98> Maybe, just maybe, if you were a good mythology major.
20100727 02:46:35< PeterPorty> Awww, come one...
20100727 02:46:37< PeterPorty> on*
20100727 02:46:49< PeterPorty> It was *really* bad story
20100727 02:46:56< VurtualRuler98> maybe you played the PS2 port
20100727 02:46:57< VurtualRuler98> or the sequel
20100727 02:47:09< PeterPorty> maybe it does have to do with the fact that I played it 10 years after it came out.
20100727 02:47:14< VurtualRuler98> Remember the [NAME_REMOVED] lab which was actually behind the [OTHER_NAME_REMOVED] lab?
20100727 02:47:21< PeterPorty> no, no, I played the real version.
20100727 02:47:26< VurtualRuler98> Blew your mind, you know it.
20100727 02:47:48< PeterPorty> The gamplay was awesome, the story... meh.
20100727 02:48:07< PeterPorty> It had so much chance to become the best game ever...
20100727 02:48:16< VurtualRuler98> Deus Ex got 40 GOTY awards.
20100727 02:48:22< PeterPorty> I don't even like shooters, but this one was... different
20100727 02:48:32< VurtualRuler98> Even from the British Academy of Film and Television Arts, and I didn't even know they did that.
20100727 02:48:51< PeterPorty> I haven't played the seccond, but I've read it was really dissapointing
20100727 02:48:51< VurtualRuler98> It also got awards for story and storytelling, too.
20100727 02:49:22< PeterPorty> Although I'm waiting for the third... anxiously...
20100727 02:49:45< Hulavuta> btw, anybody here play amusical instrument?
20100727 02:49:55< VurtualRuler98> the third doesn't have social-life-scarring mechanical augmentations
20100727 02:49:58< PeterPorty> -.- rpg creation kit is taking forever to download...
20100727 02:50:10< PeterPorty> are you kidding me?
20100727 02:50:12< VurtualRuler98> Unless they meant "You're so hardcore and awesome, that all your friends can't handle it."
20100727 02:50:14< PeterPorty> that would be boring
20100727 02:50:21< Hulavuta> :-(
20100727 02:50:31< PeterPorty> Hula, I play some instruments
20100727 02:50:35< PeterPorty> not much though...
20100727 02:50:47< PeterPorty> keyboard, flute and a little guitar...
20100727 02:51:12< Hulavuta> not much as in, not good, or not alot?
20100727 02:51:21< VurtualRuler98> http://www.canardpc.com/img/news/46846/couv_canard_pc_214_52305_2499_510x717.jpg No, seriously. I don't think a normal human could be this awesome.
20100727 02:51:46< PeterPorty> not good enough, and not much
20100727 02:51:52< VurtualRuler98> vs mr I-want-a-skull-gun-and-can't-use-a-vending-machine
20100727 02:52:06< PeterPorty> oh, I remembered
20100727 02:52:07< VurtualRuler98> also I can almost play the piano.
20100727 02:52:10< PeterPorty> I saw the trailer
20100727 02:52:18< PeterPorty> facedesk
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20100727 02:52:48< PeterPorty> looks like the graphics will be awesome
20100727 02:53:09< VurtualRuler98> I actually have had seemingly poor skills when it comes playing an actual instrument of any kind, but then again I've only tried to twice in my entire life
20100727 02:54:04< VurtualRuler98> Too bad "own voice" doesn't count :9
20100727 02:54:05< VurtualRuler98> :(*
20100727 02:54:20< PeterPorty> ew, I suck at singing
20100727 02:54:37< PeterPorty> I like doing it, but people bleed through their ears when I do...
20100727 02:54:40< VurtualRuler98> People often think they're hearing a midi synthesizer, or confusing my own speakers playing music for me.
20100727 02:56:21< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: same here.
20100727 02:56:27< PeterPorty> people often think death id calling for them...
20100727 02:56:44< shadowmaster> although, I got a grade 5.0 when I was in school and had to sing for the Music class.
20100727 02:56:56< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, really? hmm... I always thought you had a deep voice, suitable for NIN singer...
20100727 02:57:10< shadowmaster> so I guess it isn't that terrible since 5.0-6.0 qualifies as "good"
20100727 02:57:19< shadowmaster> 6.0-7.0 being "very good"
20100727 02:57:26< PeterPorty> I got only 7s in music, but... come on, it's music
20100727 02:57:45< PeterPorty> this year is beatting the hell out of me...
20100727 02:57:55< PeterPorty> I think they are gonna kick me out...
20100727 02:58:02< VurtualRuler98> This entire time I've been humming along to the deus ex soundtrack, wondering how musical talent could be so hard.
20100727 02:58:35< PeterPorty> ...
20100727 02:58:52< PeterPorty> Well, Vurtual, some people have other talents..
20100727 02:58:58< shadowmaster> (for those who don't get it, Chilean schools use 1.0-7.0 grade scales, where 1.0-3.9 stands for insufficient, 4.0-4.9 as sufficient, 5.0-5.9 as good, and 6.0-7.0 as very good, 7.0 being the maximum grade)
20100727 02:59:02< PeterPorty> mine, for instance, is making people mad
20100727 02:59:30< VurtualRuler98> Lots of people say I have every talent, ever. But then I've had a hard time drawing and playing instruments.
20100727 02:59:35< VurtualRuler98> And having an actual personality.
20100727 02:59:57< PeterPorty> I love drawing, but I suck at it...
20100727 03:00:15< shadowmaster> (some schools and universities use 1.0 as the "didn't give any answer in the test" mark, 1.1 as the "didn't attend to the test/violated the rules" mark, and actual grades starting at 2.0, and the inverse also occurs. In general it's complicated since grades 1.2-1.9 aren't always used)
20100727 03:00:28< shadowmaster> (but in general, we use a 1.0-70 system)
20100727 03:00:33< shadowmaster> *7.0
20100727 03:00:39< VurtualRuler98> you mean a 7-to-9 system
20100727 03:00:52< VurtualRuler98> Because little timmy is trying SO HARD and must get a good grade.
20100727 03:01:01< PeterPorty> ...
20100727 03:01:03< shadowmaster> :/
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20100727 03:03:31< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: I've had people tell me my voice sounds deep, although it doesn't sound like that to me
20100727 03:03:46< PeterPorty> hmmm...
20100727 03:03:51< shadowmaster> it gets worse through microphones.
20100727 03:03:54< PeterPorty> well, it goes with the nickname...
20100727 03:03:59< PeterPorty> :p
20100727 03:04:51< PeterPorty> lol, a guy in umc dev is asking what he needs to open a .png file... funny
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20100727 03:05:41< VurtualRuler98> There are two kinds of stupid people. The king of stupid people who are oblivious, and the kind of stupid people who are entirely out of touch with modern technology.
20100727 03:05:55< PeterPorty> I am the first one...
20100727 03:05:57< VurtualRuler98> At least the latter will listen.
20100727 03:05:57< PeterPorty> totally
20100727 03:06:23< VurtualRuler98> I've had to deal with my own mother assuming the 4-step installation instructions for firefox, were 4 different versions.
20100727 03:06:39< PeterPorty> lol...
20100727 03:06:47< VurtualRuler98> To this day, she always believes she knows as much as we do, and doubly disregards me.
20100727 03:06:50< PeterPorty> yeah...  same here...
20100727 03:06:54< PeterPorty> lol
20100727 03:07:01< PeterPorty> my dad thinks he knows more than me...
20100727 03:07:30< VurtualRuler98> One of these days, their laptop will boot into ubuntu.
20100727 03:07:43< VurtualRuler98> Then, I'll constantly switch between other distros just to mess with them even more.
20100727 03:07:51< PeterPorty> I have ubuntu... been trying to force people to use it for months now...
20100727 03:08:02< PeterPorty> nobody wants to...
20100727 03:08:14< VurtualRuler98> I tried to convince my dad to use firefox. Somehow he finds reason to end up back with IE.
20100727 03:08:23< PeterPorty> they say it's too expensive... after that, I just leave and never talk to them again...
20100727 03:08:26< VurtualRuler98> He still uses old leftover hardware from his company as a computer.
20100727 03:08:38< PeterPorty> lol
20100727 03:08:51< VurtualRuler98> He's smart enough to not put his credit card info into a fake AV though!
20100727 03:08:52< shadowmaster> random websites block UAs that don't advertise themselves as being Internet Explorer or compatible.
20100727 03:09:03< shadowmaster> granted, there are ways to circumvent those silly limitations
20100727 03:09:11< shadowmaster> most end-users won't know, though.
20100727 03:09:44< shadowmaster> then there are the websites that rely on IE6's brokenness and particular...interpretations of CSS rules etc.
20100727 03:09:46< VurtualRuler98> You're trying to argue for single-core <2GHz processors, <1GB of RAM, and win xp (or earlier) and IE6 (or earlier :( )
20100727 03:10:00< VurtualRuler98> PeterPorty, get a CD label maker thingy, and make a really nice looking ubuntu CD. Put ubuntu on it.
20100727 03:10:04< Gambit> Valkier: you will ove this: http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=yY2UFaXPBKs
20100727 03:10:05< shadowmaster> or websites that use some silly ActiveX crap
20100727 03:10:06< VurtualRuler98> Give it to them and go "MERRY CHRISTMAS"
20100727 03:10:15< Gambit> *love
20100727 03:10:28< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, I have a question... if someone formats the computer, and for some stupid reason doesn't back up IE... and doesn't have any other browser, what can he do?
20100727 03:10:40< VurtualRuler98> Download firefox on another computer.
20100727 03:10:44< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: put it in the washer.
20100727 03:10:45< VurtualRuler98> Use the wonder of the floppy disk!
20100727 03:10:54< VurtualRuler98> or use telnet or something
20100727 03:11:04< shadowmaster> I mean, what. the. hell.
20100727 03:11:08< VurtualRuler98> or p2p software, or just share the installer,.
20100727 03:11:12< PeterPorty> anyway you don't need to buy anything or use another computer?
20100727 03:11:15< Hulavuta1> shadowmaster: I have a question for you, F8 Binds is a Developer and his title is "Saurian Cartographer" what exactly does that mean?
20100727 03:11:15< shadowmaster> IE is a OPERATING SYSTEM COMPONENT and comes with Windows 98 and later
20100727 03:11:21< shadowmaster> and Windows 2000 and later.
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20100727 03:11:36< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: no idea. He's worked on some MP maps.
20100727 03:11:48< VurtualRuler98> You know, the EU did one thing right for once.
20100727 03:11:51< shadowmaster> I'm not familiarized with the MP devs' own hiearchies
20100727 03:11:52< PeterPorty> ok, ao there is absolutely no way to get it back?
20100727 03:11:55< VurtualRuler98> Force microsoft to include other browsers as an option.
20100727 03:11:55< shadowmaster> hierarchy
20100727 03:11:58< PeterPorty> thanks.
20100727 03:11:59< VurtualRuler98> PeterPorty just...
20100727 03:12:01< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: just install Windows.
20100727 03:12:03< VurtualRuler98> get a USB drive or something
20100727 03:12:04< Hulavuta> that would explain cartographer. Maybe he just chose Saurian because he likes Saurians
20100727 03:12:05< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: it comes with Windows.
20100727 03:12:09< VurtualRuler98> get a friend to put firefox's installer on it
20100727 03:12:14< PeterPorty> I'll go laugh at someone, brbg
20100727 03:12:23< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: I mean, seriously, what the hell.
20100727 03:12:33< shadowmaster> anyway you don't want IE.
20100727 03:12:43< shadowmaster> *jedi mindtrick*
20100727 03:12:56< PeterPorty> I know, it's not me, it's a friend... a... kinda friend
20100727 03:13:05< PeterPorty> a guy I met on the interwebz
20100727 03:13:17< shadowmaster> even the latest release doesn't support some popular CSS 2 (not 2.1) and 3 features such as text shadows.
20100727 03:13:19< VurtualRuler98> DCC it him over IRC
20100727 03:13:23< shadowmaster> that sucks.
20100727 03:13:56< shadowmaster> Firefox 3.5 and later do, Opera does since who knows when, Google Chrome does, Safari does, basically every current KHTML, Gecko or webkit-based browser does...
20100727 03:14:10< VurtualRuler98> I've noticed geek squad guys at best buy always make sure firefox is on your computer and is the default browser.
20100727 03:14:20< shadowmaster> and it's just so friggin' cool to have text shadows.
20100727 03:14:22< VurtualRuler98> I'm surprised it's not like, against the rules or something.
20100727 03:14:23< shadowmaster> seriously.
20100727 03:14:27< PeterPorty> back
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20100727 03:14:44< shadowmaster> so why this commercial POS doesn't support text shadows?
20100727 03:14:54< shadowmaster> I'm paying for broken software‽ why‽ 
20100727 03:15:04< VurtualRuler98> The only reason I could have for text shadows, is making text that flies off the page, leading a gradual shadow, until it's illegible and you're too late.
20100727 03:15:15< shadowmaster> well, my father does. He's the Windows-using drone, not me.
20100727 03:15:16< VurtualRuler98> and the site laughs at you for being so slow
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20100727 03:15:55< shadowmaster> most ridiculous example ever.
20100727 03:16:09< VurtualRuler98> And that's why IE doesn't bother with text shadows.
20100727 03:16:27< shadowmaster> it's just so nice to give people text links that  have some kind of glowing effect without having to resort to image links
20100727 03:17:11< shadowmaster> unlike image links, they simply *work* according to the user's screen DPI and font rendering settings.
20100727 03:17:46< VurtualRuler98> Besides, don't you linux types use reddit?
20100727 03:17:51< VurtualRuler98> Since when did asthetics matter to you?
20100727 03:17:58< shadowmaster> I hope that's sarcasm..
20100727 03:18:13< Gambit> IE is perfectly fine.
20100727 03:18:30< Gambit> People don't rely on the fancy things it doesn't support because it doesn't support them.
20100727 03:18:38< shadowmaster> Gambit: your opinion doesn't count.
20100727 03:18:40< Gambit> You're in a large enough majority.
20100727 03:18:40< VurtualRuler98> Then again there's all those different graphical thingies for every distro, so maybe you just have a skewed sense of style.
20100727 03:19:03< Gambit> still; chrome is better :o
20100727 03:19:04< shadowmaster> VurtualRuler98: again, that's sarcasm, right?
20100727 03:19:08< Gambit> My opinion is that
20100727 03:19:16< VurtualRuler98> No it's this crazy new thing
20100727 03:19:18< VurtualRuler98> called "a joke"
20100727 03:19:18< Gambit> "Whatever I'm using right now is clearly the best."
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20100727 03:19:23< Gambit> (until I find something better)
20100727 03:19:33< shadowmaster> VurtualRuler98: in bad taste, right.
20100727 03:19:57< VurtualRuler98> It's even newer, called the "inside joke", and is really funny to cool people. :D
20100727 03:20:26< shadowmaster> we aren't col, we don't need that
20100727 03:20:29< shadowmaster> *cool
20100727 03:20:39< Gambit> Better yet, when you use IE, you can be smug in the fact that some poor web designer slaved away for hours to get his website looking just perfect *for YOU*
20100727 03:20:41< shadowmaster> Gambit: your quote is absolutely right, though.
20100727 03:21:01< shadowmaster> unfortunately, you are mistaken.
20100727 03:21:03< PeterPorty> http://catb.org/esr/html-hell.html <---- this made me kill the only web page I've ever done....
20100727 03:21:06< VurtualRuler98> IE has all sorts of vulnerabilities and is easy to target. It's also blueeee
20100727 03:21:19< shadowmaster> web designers make sure their sites work with IE because they'll get fired otherwise, Gambit 
20100727 03:21:20< VurtualRuler98> Firefox is almost popular enough to be worth excessive targeting too, so I might have to switch. :(
20100727 03:21:25< shadowmaster> it's not about you, it'sa about their jobs
20100727 03:21:25< shadowmaster> their families.
20100727 03:21:27< shadowmaster> their life.
20100727 03:21:29< shadowmaster> not you.
20100727 03:21:31< Gambit> shhh
20100727 03:21:37< Gambit> One can pretend.
20100727 03:21:37< shadowmaster> you are just an insignificant user.
20100727 03:22:21< shadowmaster> in any case, making sure things work in IE is kind of fun for hobbists such as me.
20100727 03:22:25< VurtualRuler98> Maybe you'll be cool like me, gambit.
20100727 03:22:49< VurtualRuler98> Where "likely to be be visited by me" and "not being liked by me" are considered serious security flaws.
20100727 03:22:57< Gambit> But now I use chrome and no worries.
20100727 03:23:06< Gambit> Except that my dumbass school refuses to allow any browser other than IE.
20100727 03:23:11< Gambit> And any OS other than linux.
20100727 03:23:14< shadowmaster> I'll admit I'm with Firefox only for the friggin' user interface.
20100727 03:23:19< VurtualRuler98> ...wait
20100727 03:23:20< Gambit> s/linux/windows/
20100727 03:23:22< VurtualRuler98> ...IE on linux?
20100727 03:23:22< Gambit> xD
20100727 03:23:25< shadowmaster> I'd use Chrome otherwise, but it's so dumbed down it SUCKS.
20100727 03:23:36< shadowmaster> VurtualRuler98: uhm, yes
20100727 03:23:39< Gambit> yesss my brain does not reflexively say widnows anymore
20100727 03:23:39< PeterPorty> Gambit, same here
20100727 03:23:48< shadowmaster> ever heard of WINE? or CrossOver?
20100727 03:23:52< PeterPorty> I forced my school to let me install linux and firefox
20100727 03:23:53< Gambit> PeterPorty: My schools website literally stops you at the homepage and goes
20100727 03:24:01< shadowmaster> or emulators an virtualizers such as QEMU, VirtualBox, VMWare...
20100727 03:24:02< Gambit> "NO! GO GET WINDOWS AND INTERNET EXPLORER!"
20100727 03:24:04< shadowmaster> *and
20100727 03:24:10< VurtualRuler98> gambit you're a LINUX USER
20100727 03:24:17< VurtualRuler98> You're the anti-hero of cyberpunk novels!
20100727 03:24:20< VurtualRuler98> Go hack it.
20100727 03:24:23< PeterPorty> Gambit, they let me install it on my computer, but not on any other....
20100727 03:24:37< Gambit> I just change the little string thinger that tells them what I'm using.
20100727 03:24:39< Gambit> I get in just fine.
20100727 03:24:39< VurtualRuler98> shadowmaster, then the site thinks you run windows.
20100727 03:24:41< Gambit> Everything works just fine.
20100727 03:24:47< Gambit> They're just stupid.
20100727 03:24:49< shadowmaster> VurtualRuler98: and what?
20100727 03:24:56< PeterPorty> Also, for some reason, my school blocks gaming sites...
20100727 03:24:57< shadowmaster> isn't that what those idiots want?
20100727 03:25:05< VurtualRuler98> If the theoretical site demanded only linux, and only IE
20100727 03:25:11< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: uhh, guess why :)
20100727 03:25:13< shadowmaster> not hard to guess.
20100727 03:25:18< VurtualRuler98> then you'd have them thinking you're running windows, youuu shallnot passss
20100727 03:25:24< PeterPorty> IDK
20100727 03:25:29< PeterPorty> I think it's dumb
20100727 03:25:31< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: I mean, you people technically aren't even citizens.
20100727 03:25:36< Gambit> PeterPorty: just install another OS
20100727 03:25:37< shadowmaster> you don't have responsibility or control over your acts
20100727 03:25:50< Gambit> That's what I do to my schools computers now
20100727 03:25:51< VurtualRuler98> I had responsibility when I was pretty young. A bit after I had control over my acts.
20100727 03:25:55< PeterPorty> that facebook isn't blocked and kongregate is...
20100727 03:26:01< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: so, these people think you should be restrained to avoid you spending your busy time playing games.
20100727 03:26:02< VurtualRuler98> Before that, calm and mild. After that, I called all the shots, everywhere.
20100727 03:26:27< shadowmaster> even though you are reasonable people (human beings with no important mental disorders whatsoever) and could manage your time by themselves anyway
20100727 03:26:34< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, since I'm the president of the class, they have allowed us to plat computer on reacess... 
20100727 03:26:40< PeterPorty> so I am like totally cool.
20100727 03:26:45< shadowmaster> it's just this stupid thing with people who aren't 18 or older.
20100727 03:27:08< shadowmaster> so
20100727 03:27:11< shadowmaster> if say
20100727 03:27:30< shadowmaster> my university gave me a free laptop with some kind of restriction/control software.
20100727 03:27:33< shadowmaster> I coud sue them for not respecting my rights.
20100727 03:27:38< shadowmaster> *would
20100727 03:27:43< VurtualRuler98> oh you want to try to take away arbitrary hardware of my computer? All the doors are locked, most of the breakers are switched, and I have the only working gunsafe codes now.
20100727 03:27:51< VurtualRuler98> and when that little trap switch fails, I just get another.
20100727 03:27:54< shadowmaster> or just reject the offer.
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20100727 03:28:08< VurtualRuler98> and when I have the wrong layout of keyboard, I just ram it down your throat and grab the original one.
20100727 03:28:31< shadowmaster> (who's he talking to?)
20100727 03:28:45< PeterPorty> I think to you, shadowmaster 
20100727 03:28:47< VurtualRuler98> Nobody, but I have a seriously hard time ending a sentence/topic prematurely.
20100727 03:29:06< PeterPorty> Unicorns.
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20100727 03:30:00< PeterPorty> does shadow master get highlighted when I write this?
20100727 03:30:10< King_Elendil> no
20100727 03:30:14< PeterPorty> Cool.
20100727 03:30:28< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: yes
20100727 03:30:38< PeterPorty> ahhh...
20100727 03:30:55< PeterPorty> so you saw all the conversations I had with Hulavuta...
20100727 03:31:00< PeterPorty> I told that idiot...
20100727 03:31:08< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, ^
20100727 03:31:12< shadowmaster> don't be offensive.
20100727 03:31:19< shadowmaster> "idiot" isn't a nice way to refer to people.
20100727 03:31:28< PeterPorty> sorry...
20100727 03:31:34< shadowmaster> although I did it above, not referring to anyone from here or Wesnoth.
20100727 03:31:39< King_Elendil> he could have a transcript that informs him when any popular form of his name is written...
20100727 03:31:54< PeterPorty> ummm.... can I use 'less inteligent that average'?
20100727 03:32:21< PeterPorty> LITA... sounds cool...
20100727 03:32:28< VurtualRuler98> The only people who get insulted by insults are generally pretty lame.
20100727 03:32:32< Blarumyrran> lita means bitch in some languages
20100727 03:32:38< Hulavuta> Pidgin needs an angry emoticon
20100727 03:32:49< PeterPorty> really?
20100727 03:32:54< PeterPorty> Blarumyrran, ?
20100727 03:32:57< Hulavuta> Well mine doesn't have it
20100727 03:32:58< King_Elendil> colloquy has one :P
20100727 03:32:58< Blarumyrran> !
20100727 03:32:59< VurtualRuler98> If you make sure you don't hit the soft spot or berserk button of some regular coolkid on an IRC channel, you can get away with anything.
20100727 03:33:20< Hulavuta> King_Elendil: Are you on Colloquy?
20100727 03:33:20< PeterPorty> huh...
20100727 03:33:23< shadowmaster> VurtualRuler98: you know, your opinion on what is nice or isn't nice here doesn't count.
20100727 03:33:37 * shadowmaster rolls eyes.
20100727 03:33:42< King_Elendil> yes sir :)
20100727 03:34:02< Hulavuta> Show me the angry emoticon
20100727 03:34:02< PeterPorty> Yay! someone other than me got a lecture!
20100727 03:34:11< Gambit> ¯\(°_o)/¯
20100727 03:34:20< PeterPorty> Hula, you won't bee able to see it...
20100727 03:34:22< VurtualRuler98> "Your opnion doesn't matter!" isn't really... a lecture.
20100727 03:34:29< PeterPorty> :(
20100727 03:34:35 * PeterPorty cries
20100727 03:34:37< Gambit> shadowmaster, PeterPorty, King_Elendil, Hulavuta, Blarumyrran, elvish_sovereign: anyone at all for wesnoth?
20100727 03:34:37< shadowmaster> opinion, not opnion.
20100727 03:34:44< shadowmaster> Gambit: Breaking Ground?
20100727 03:34:49< Gambit> shadowmaster: Yes
20100727 03:34:50< shadowmaster> no
20100727 03:34:53< King_Elendil> lol
20100727 03:34:54< Gambit> darnit
20100727 03:34:57< PeterPorty> I think I might go to bed soon...
20100727 03:34:59< elvish_sovereign> Gambit: not right now
20100727 03:35:03< elvish_sovereign> maybe a bit later
20100727 03:35:06< PeterPorty> Gambit, ok, I will play 1 game
20100727 03:35:08< VurtualRuler98> Woah, if two people say eachother's names in the same way at the start of a sentence, it will always line up.
20100727 03:35:11< Gambit> shadowmaster: but it's winnable now.
20100727 03:35:11< King_Elendil> sorry, coding...
20100727 03:35:26< shadowmaster> Gambit: and?
20100727 03:35:39< Gambit> shadowmaster: and fun
20100727 03:35:42< shadowmaster> who said it was about winning or losing
20100727 03:35:42< shadowmaster> it's just for fun
20100727 03:35:51< shadowmaster> and I'd rahter have a mainline game.
20100727 03:35:54< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, lol
20100727 03:35:57< shadowmaster> rather
20100727 03:36:23< shadowmaster> I don't deny that UMC can be fun, but I like mainline better.
20100727 03:36:41< PeterPorty> :?
20100727 03:36:52< PeterPorty> dude, you are the lord of the umc content...
20100727 03:37:18< Gambit> Sadness.
20100727 03:37:27< Gambit> Notch released the key for his MP test server.
20100727 03:37:31< Gambit> But it's only a 20 person server.
20100727 03:37:33< PeterPorty> Gambit, are we gonna play or not?
20100727 03:37:35< VurtualRuler98> HE DID
20100727 03:37:37< VurtualRuler98> brb
20100727 03:37:42< Hulavuta> Gambit: Did you add Undo yet?
20100727 03:37:43< PeterPorty> ...
20100727 03:37:49< Gambit> Hulavuta: Neigh
20100727 03:37:56< Hulavuta> hmm, I guess I'll play
20100727 03:38:01< Hulavuta> Wait, no I can't
20100727 03:38:09< PeterPorty> Gambit, hosting
20100727 03:38:16< Hulavuta> I'm watching Last Comic Standing, and I only get on the computer during commercials, so....
20100727 03:38:20< VurtualRuler98> nope wait I still have to update my laptop because of the weird linux 
20100727 03:38:24< Gambit> PeterPorty: Do we have four?
20100727 03:38:43< PeterPorty> dunno, you have to get them
20100727 03:38:44< Gambit> It's not balanced for less than two players.
20100727 03:38:46< Gambit> Or lean.
20100727 03:38:48< Gambit> Or prone.
20100727 03:38:51< Gambit> Or anything that's fun.
20100727 03:38:57< PeterPorty> less than 2?
20100727 03:39:01< Gambit> That's right I recreated Modern Warfare 2 in wesnoth's engine!
20100727 03:39:01< PeterPorty> :/
20100727 03:39:04< Gambit> *less than four
20100727 03:39:16< Gambit> It's also no balanced for tactics or intelligent players.
20100727 03:39:37< VurtualRuler98> Gambit, where did he supposedly release the key?
20100727 03:39:42< Gambit> It's not balanced for anything other than spraying, praying, and spamming the mic with homophobia
20100727 03:39:44< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: twitter
20100727 03:39:45< Gambit> xnotch
20100727 03:39:57< Gambit> the key is !!Thomas!!
20100727 03:40:02< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: You play minecraft?
20100727 03:40:06< Gambit> We have a ##minecraft channel
20100727 03:40:10< VurtualRuler98> I play everything.
20100727 03:40:22< PeterPorty> Gambit!
20100727 03:40:26< VurtualRuler98> I stay away from the IRC channels nowsadays because the last time I was on one, after a year, one comment got everyone into hating me.
20100727 03:40:35< Hulavuta> What was it?
20100727 03:40:40< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: the freenode minecraft channel is empty :D
20100727 03:40:56< PeterPorty> Gambit, are you coming or not?
20100727 03:41:00< Gambit> PeterPorty: nope
20100727 03:41:09< PeterPorty> but we r 4
20100727 03:41:16< VurtualRuler98> Let's just say I finally said something so dirty even the dirtiest channel I know considered it a moral event horizon.
20100727 03:41:20< Gambit> Age doesn't count.
20100727 03:41:22< VurtualRuler98> That or I got kicked and they expected me to rejoin.
20100727 03:41:50< shadowmaster> PeterPorty has been kicked from here multiple times.
20100727 03:41:57< shadowmaster> I think he still can walk.
20100727 03:42:01< Gambit> (he's got auto rejoin)
20100727 03:42:10 * PeterPorty walks
20100727 03:42:13< PeterPorty> Yep.
20100727 03:42:14< shadowmaster> Gambit: ohhh, thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
20100727 03:42:22< PeterPorty> :/
20100727 03:42:45 * shadowmaster *evil laughter*
20100727 03:42:57< shadowmaster> I'd not have noticed othewrwise. Now I know.
20100727 03:42:57< shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
20100727 03:43:00< shadowmaster> *otherwise
20100727 03:43:01< VurtualRuler98> shadowmaster imagine if someone here did a very, very long and very, very perverted simile to describe a sound, so creepy that only someone who extensively studies that kind of stuff could come up with it?
20100727 03:43:35< shadowmaster> perverted == ban, but that's on my rule.
20100727 03:43:47< shadowmaster> I mean, other people manage channels in different manners. Most of EFnet is chaos, for instance.
20100727 03:43:51< shadowmaster> Or so I heard.
20100727 03:43:51< Gambit> shadowmaster: You mean you've never noticed the near instant rejoins?
20100727 03:43:57< Gambit> Are your kicks just like fire and forget?
20100727 03:44:10< PeterPorty> ...
20100727 03:44:14< shadowmaster> Gambit: the SSH lags don't help me.
20100727 03:44:19< PeterPorty> I don't have auto rejoin..
20100727 03:44:30< PeterPorty> I just have to type /join #wesnoth
20100727 03:44:33< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: good, now I know.
20100727 03:44:33< shikadibot> And knowing is half the battle!
20100727 03:44:38< PeterPorty> it ain't *that* hard...
20100727 03:44:40< Gambit> :o
20100727 03:44:44< Gambit> He's just *that* fast.
20100727 03:44:48< Gambit> shadowmaster: he has an alias!
20100727 03:44:48< PeterPorty> ...
20100727 03:44:52< Gambit>  /j
20100727 03:44:54< shadowmaster> Gambit: nah
20100727 03:44:54< PeterPorty> wth?
20100727 03:45:08< shadowmaster> I can also type command sequences fast without needing an alias.
20100727 03:45:17< Gambit> shadowmaster: Then the only other plausible explanation is God.
20100727 03:45:21< shadowmaster> I can also just prepare them and put them into the command input history.
20100727 03:45:25< VurtualRuler98> The op at hand was so awestruck at what I had actually said that it took them half a minute to even react, first by swearing excessively in disbelief, then kicking me.
20100727 03:45:39< shadowmaster> Riveting tale, chap.
20100727 03:45:49< PeterPorty> Gambit, do you have permission to enter the smp server?
20100727 03:45:55< shadowmaster> not something to be proud of either way.
20100727 03:45:55< Gambit> PeterPorty: Yes
20100727 03:45:58< Gambit> It's just full.
20100727 03:46:05< PeterPorty> can you invite me?
20100727 03:46:07< Gambit> And probably will be until the day the public testing comes out.
20100727 03:46:12< VurtualRuler98> !!Thomas!! there's your invite PeterPorty
20100727 03:46:14< PeterPorty> Imean... how do I join?
20100727 03:46:15< Gambit> PeterPorty: The password is !!Thomas!!
20100727 03:46:23< PeterPorty> thx
20100727 03:46:25< VurtualRuler98> join me in mass-spamming it with joins until you get in
20100727 03:46:29< Gambit> PeterPorty: You must have legal infdev ;)
20100727 03:46:37< PeterPorty> ...
20100727 03:46:46< PeterPorty> ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?
20100727 03:46:49< Gambit> uhhh
20100727 03:46:50< Gambit> no?
20100727 03:46:59< Gambit> In infdev there is a "multiplayer" button
20100727 03:47:02< Gambit> it asks for a key
20100727 03:47:04< PeterPorty> I'm totally trolling this Notch guy till he either dies, or I do.
20100727 03:47:07< Gambit> you type in !!Thomas!!
20100727 03:47:15< Gambit> PeterPorty: It's $12
20100727 03:47:17< Gambit> Get a job.
20100727 03:47:30< PeterPorty> Gambit, I don't have $12
20100727 03:47:32< Gambit> You're of legal working age neh?
20100727 03:47:41< PeterPorty> ummm.... not afaik
20100727 03:47:51< Gambit> PeterPorty: age?
20100727 03:47:57< shadowmaster> less than 18
20100727 03:48:05< PeterPorty> anyway, if I got a job, I'd try to pay some of my scolarship...
20100727 03:48:08< PeterPorty> 16
20100727 03:48:09< Gambit> shadowmaster: You have to be 18 to work in Chile? o_O
20100727 03:48:19< shadowmaster> Gambit: not sure.
20100727 03:48:34< shadowmaster> I'd have to read legalese, and I tend to get bored with legalese.
20100727 03:48:42< shadowmaster> unless it has something to do with software.
20100727 03:48:45< Gambit> It's 15 here in the US for select jobs. 16 for everything that insurance companies allow.
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20100727 03:49:13< PeterPorty> AFAIK, it's 18 in here...
20100727 03:49:18< Gambit> By 17 the insurance companies won't give a crap if you want to be a coal miner.
20100727 03:49:20< shadowmaster> actually, I like reading legalese
20100727 03:49:29< shadowmaster> it's just that I'm not particularly interested ie. in work law
20100727 03:49:51< Gambit> Worst case of age discrimination I've ever heard.
20100727 03:49:53< shadowmaster> I have read the 1980 constitution befD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dore
20100727 03:49:56< shadowmaster> ew
20100727 03:50:00< Gambit> Not able to get a job at 16...
20100727 03:50:03< Gambit> Rediculous.
20100727 03:50:05< shadowmaster> raw [Left] characters through SSH.
20100727 03:50:06< PeterPorty> Gambit, I'm not even a citizen.
20100727 03:50:16< shadowmaster> that's right.
20100727 03:50:20< Gambit> What do you kids do down there?
20100727 03:50:30< PeterPorty> ummm... this.
20100727 03:50:42< PeterPorty> oh, those other guys have social lives
20100727 03:50:57< VurtualRuler98> Be poor, and not play games, probably.
20100727 03:50:57< Gambit> shadowmaster: Do you have a job?
20100727 03:51:11< shadowmaster> Gambit: no.
20100727 03:51:16< Gambit> I'm afraid this is going to give me a stereotype of chileans :\
20100727 03:51:23< shadowmaster> I'm not in need of one atm.
20100727 03:51:25< Gambit> bad gambit bad
20100727 03:51:40< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: PeterPorty doesn't not play games.
20100727 03:51:42< PeterPorty> VurtualRuler98, an-off-topic-think-on-freenode allows poor people to play cool games
20100727 03:51:48< King_Elendil> I do, I will have some of my handiwork sent to England soon.
20100727 03:51:51< Gambit> He goes down to the port
20100727 03:51:59< Gambit> Walks up to the nearest man with an eye patch and a peg leg
20100727 03:52:05< PeterPorty> ...
20100727 03:52:08< Gambit> kicks him in the shins
20100727 03:52:09< VurtualRuler98> and trades a pound of bacon for his games?
20100727 03:52:12< Gambit> and takes all his video games
20100727 03:52:17< PeterPorty> lol
20100727 03:52:20< Gambit> both shins
20100727 03:52:23< Gambit> simultaneously
20100727 03:52:30< PeterPorty> I won't drive for an hour to get to the sea...
20100727 03:52:45< VurtualRuler98> Then attempts to cross the tiny puddle on the path and gets stuck in the mud... or something, and lose all his games and bullets.
20100727 03:52:46< shadowmaster> Gambit: okay, in all seriousness, primary education here is mandatory, and (hopefully) most kids finish that at 13 or 14.
20100727 03:52:50< PeterPorty> I just do to 'El paseo de las palmas'
20100727 03:52:56< shadowmaster> secondary education might be mandatory since a few years ago, I'm not sure
20100727 03:53:06< PeterPorty> yes, it is.
20100727 03:53:22< PeterPorty> I mean.... supposedly, not actually..
20100727 03:53:22< PeterPorty> .
20100727 03:53:31< shadowmaster> it's generally disapproved to get people younger than 18 working on something
20100727 03:53:31< PeterPorty> there are a lot of kids working...
20100727 03:53:39< PeterPorty> yeeahz
20100727 03:53:41< shadowmaster> yeah, it happens though.
20100727 03:54:03< PeterPorty> like... on every corner of every single street...
20100727 03:54:11< PeterPorty> almost all of them
20100727 03:54:28< shadowmaster> many (most?) university students have to work to pay for their studies
20100727 03:54:42< shadowmaster> *to earn money to pay
20100727 03:55:01< VurtualRuler98> gambit, have you gotten into the server yet?
20100727 03:55:07< PeterPorty> that too.
20100727 03:55:10< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: I'm not trying.
20100727 03:55:19< PeterPorty> although I was actually talking about little kids...
20100727 03:55:21< VurtualRuler98> ...b..but it's excluuuusive
20100727 03:55:40< shadowmaster> unless they have some kind of grant/scolarship, which is complicated/rare
20100727 03:55:53< Gambit> One twenty man server for every minecraft fan?
20100727 03:55:56< Gambit> HA!
20100727 03:55:57< PeterPorty> yeah... I will get one...
20100727 03:55:59< shadowmaster> I personally didn't even try to apply for anything because it's so darn complicated it makes no sense
20100727 03:56:12< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: And I wonder how many people are sitting AFK and refusing to disconnect
20100727 03:56:18< Gambit> even though they left to sleep
20100727 03:56:19< PeterPorty> shadowmaster, you must have eenough money...
20100727 03:56:51< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: it's Complicated™.
20100727 03:56:55< PeterPorty> I must go to bed, I have school tomorrow... but I don't want to...
20100727 03:57:00< PeterPorty> Ok.
20100727 03:57:01 * shadowmaster *awesome face*
20100727 03:58:00< PeterPorty> I'm totally applying to a scolarship in U. Del Desarrollo....
20100727 03:58:12< PeterPorty> and I'm totally gonna get it.
20100727 03:58:12< VurtualRuler98> I've bound a single key on my gaming keyboard to type the whole code at once
20100727 03:59:28< VurtualRuler98> and now it's rejecting all my attempts I think
20100727 03:59:40< Hulavuta> Gambit: I can play Breaking Ground now, if anyone's still interested
20100727 04:00:13< PeterPorty> Blarumyrran, joined the game I hosted, so maybe he still wants to play...
20100727 04:00:46< Hulavuta> So, that's 4?
20100727 04:00:46< shadowmaster> PeterPorty: anyway, no, I wasn't hilighted by "shadow master" until you mentioned it, then I set a new hilight pattern
20100727 04:01:01< PeterPorty> oh...
20100727 04:01:16< PeterPorty> Hulavuta, then I totally told him about what you said...
20100727 04:01:19< PeterPorty> hmm...
20100727 04:01:25 * PeterPorty feels ashamed.
20100727 04:01:29< Hulavuta> PeterPorty: What did I say?
20100727 04:01:45< shadowmaster> no idea because I can't find it in the logs
20100727 04:02:00< PeterPorty> you know... when you talk and you say 'shadow master' so he doesn't get highlighted...
20100727 04:02:01< VurtualRuler98> So you kids have multiplayer campaigns now eh?
20100727 04:02:20< Hulavuta> Oh
20100727 04:02:32< PeterPorty> ...
20100727 04:02:37< PeterPorty> so yeahz.
20100727 04:02:39< Hulavuta> I do that for convienence, not to be sneaky
20100727 04:02:53< Hulavuta> I do that so he doesn't get annoyed from highlights when people use his name
20100727 04:03:33< VurtualRuler98> WOO I'M IN
20100727 04:03:35< shadowmaster> now I will get annoyed anyway
20100727 04:03:42< Gambit> VurtualRuler98: pics or did not happen
20100727 04:03:44< shadowmaster> :D
20100727 04:03:46< VurtualRuler98> taking one
20100727 04:03:49< Hulavuta> I'm just use SM, does that highlight you as well?
20100727 04:04:09< shadowmaster> Hulavuta: yup. Just don't bother.
20100727 04:04:14< shadowmaster> I don't have a problem with being hilighted a lot nowadays. I got used to it.
20100727 04:04:18< Hulavuta> Ok
20100727 04:04:20< Hulavuta> Then I'll do it
20100727 04:04:23< Hulavuta> lololololololol
20100727 04:04:36< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: you are AWESOME.
20100727 04:04:41< VurtualRuler98> and now I jsut dropped out
20100727 04:04:42< Hulavuta> We also call you "You-Know-Who" and "He who must not be named"
20100727 04:04:43< Zerovirus> I am?
20100727 04:04:51< Zerovirus> Well that's true but why such emphasis this time?
20100727 04:04:59< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=445646#p445646 - the new Magus
20100727 04:05:02< VurtualRuler98> But I got a picture!
20100727 04:05:07< Zerovirus> And you just noticed.
20100727 04:05:12< Zerovirus> Yeah, he's an improvement
20100727 04:05:21< Zerovirus> THe lv2 Magus looks more like a hobo than the lv1 really lol
20100727 04:05:22< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: no, it isn't.
20100727 04:05:26< shadowmaster> It's a complete replacement
20100727 04:05:29< shadowmaster> that look AWESOME.
20100727 04:05:39< Zerovirus> i kept the staff design though
20100727 04:05:42< Zerovirus> The staff is very cool
20100727 04:05:56< shadowmaster> the new pose is even cooler
20100727 04:06:20< shadowmaster> I have attempted such poses and failed. Epicly.
20100727 04:06:28< shadowmaster> (ie Demon Warrior)
20100727 04:06:52< Blarumyrran> shadowmaster, how was my magus
20100727 04:07:00< shadowmaster> I didn't see it I think.
20100727 04:07:06< Blarumyrran> http://imagebin.org/106411
20100727 04:07:17< Blarumyrran> (posted it once on irc)
20100727 04:07:24< Hulavuta> I remember that
20100727 04:07:39< Zerovirus> Oh the frankenscarything
20100727 04:07:43< shadowmaster> hm.
20100727 04:07:43 * shadowmaster steals
20100727 04:07:52< Zerovirus> I stole it too :P
20100727 04:08:01< shadowmaster> I can use the pose as reference for future art.
20100727 04:08:24< shadowmaster> coming...next sunday A.D.
20100727 04:08:37< Zerovirus> Right.
20100727 04:08:47< Blarumyrran> Zerovirus, you know only the hood is frankensteined
20100727 04:08:52< Zerovirus> Yup
20100727 04:08:55< Zerovirus> Everything else is custom
20100727 04:09:04< Zerovirus> Which of course I will rip apart into frankenpieces and use for own purposes
20100727 04:09:15< shadowmaster> I'm not very good at attempting new stuff, so I rely a lot on existing material.
20100727 04:09:17< Hulavuta> Bye bye all
20100727 04:09:30< Hulavuta> I'm going to watch a 2 hour long movie and then go to sleep
20100727 04:09:32< Hulavuta> Ta ta
20100727 04:09:32< Blarumyrran> Frankensteining from other levels is a Good Thing in my opinion
20100727 04:09:35< Hulavuta> Have fun
20100727 04:09:37< Hulavuta> Peace out
20100727 04:09:38< Hulavuta> bye bye
20100727 04:09:43< shadowmaster> (I do mean "attempting", since I don't get very far from the sketching process)
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20100727 04:10:09< Zerovirus> you sketch?
20100727 04:10:21< Zerovirus> Here's protip: Go look up stuff on deviantart :P
20100727 04:10:29< Blarumyrran> Uh huh
20100727 04:11:15< Zerovirus> That was probably sarcasm but I don't care
20100727 04:11:17< Zerovirus> Time to go sleep
20100727 04:11:21< shadowmaster> Zerovirus: that'd actually work maybe. I 've never attempted such a thing since back then I'd not have Internet access in my bedroom, which is where I work on art and other serious stuff
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20100727 04:11:32< shadowmaster> at least *something* could be rescued from the heap
20100727 04:11:44< shadowmaster> some design, for inspiration
20100727 04:11:52< VurtualRuler98> Hey, have you heard of this new tehcnology called "wireless internet"
20100727 04:11:53< shadowmaster> as far as "inspiration" can be applied to DA.
20100727 04:11:58< VurtualRuler98> No wires, and I'm STILL connected.
20100727 04:12:01< shadowmaster> VurtualRuler98: yes.
20100727 04:12:29< shadowmaster> I wasn't connected to a cable before, nor I am now
20100727 04:12:42< shadowmaster> although I have an annoying thing using my favorite USB port.
20100727 04:12:43< VurtualRuler98> Inspiration, though? Maybe to be as creepy as me.
20100727 04:13:17< Blarumyrran> About every real art site is better than deviantart for such though
20100727 04:13:44< shadowmaster> yeah.
20100727 04:13:56< shadowmaster> I need to be less lazy and try new things on my own though.
20100727 04:14:07< shadowmaster> particularly shading :|
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20100727 04:48:03< VurtualRuler98> Did I ever tell you guys 'bout the time I spent multiple times looping the tiny bit of saferoom music from left 4 dead?
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20100727 04:51:35< Gambit> Yes. Like a thouasand times.
20100727 04:52:25< VurtualRuler98> oh, k
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20100727 04:56:44< Gambit> It's rather bothersome that I have to keep my latop in the dining room lest I suffer my little brother and father's discontent, and then they don't take care of it.
20100727 04:57:17< VurtualRuler98> discontent?
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20100727 04:58:37< Gambit> Yes. It's like wrath only not angry :\
20100727 04:58:42< VurtualRuler98> what for?
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20100727 04:58:50< Gambit> They like to use it I guess...
20100727 04:59:00< VurtualRuler98> Password it.
20100727 04:59:02< VurtualRuler98> But leave it there.
20100727 04:59:03< Gambit> the only other computers in the house either suck or belong to women ;)
20100727 04:59:24< Gambit> Women don't like men touching their computers.
20100727 04:59:38< VurtualRuler98> People still try to use my laptop to show people photos off an SD card.
20100727 05:02:42< VurtualRuler98> And now, only 50 packages away from the promised land of ubuntu 9.10!
20100727 05:03:07< VurtualRuler98> Then we'll finally be not horribly be out of date. Or better than not horribly out of date... at the newest version.
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20100727 08:01:12< RPG-Master> Sooo... has anyone started working on an Android port of BfW?
20100727 08:03:48< Valkier> Nope
20100727 08:03:58< Valkier> I hear rumors of maybe starting next year. Possibly.
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20100727 08:56:38< brant_> hello
20100727 08:56:46< shadowmaster> hi there.
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20100727 08:58:17< brant_> i was wondering... have any of you completed the "Heir to the Throne" campaign?
20100727 08:59:41< shadowmaster> many people have done. Is there any issue in particular you need help with?
20100727 08:59:47< brant_> yeah
20100727 09:00:27< brant_> on the 24th scenario, "The Battle for Wesnoth" I can't seem to pass it on the easiest difficulty level
20100727 09:01:15< brant_> The closest I got was when I sent 6 knights after the queen when the front of the battle was being fought by my encampment
20100727 09:01:29< shadowmaster> there's this info in the wiki's walkthrough:
20100727 09:01:34< shadowmaster> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/HeirToTheThrone#Scenario_24_-_The_Battle_for_Wesnoth
20100727 09:01:38< brant_> I got three attacks on the queen, but missed every time.
20100727 09:02:03< brant_> yeah, i've read the walkthroughs, but they don't seem to help me much
20100727 09:02:27< brant_> my main problem is that i only have one lvl 2 healer.
20100727 09:02:41< brant_> so my units can't be healed
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20100727 09:03:01< shadowmaster> consider that it's the last scenario, you could recruit lots of units as cannon fodder.
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20100727 09:03:35< brant_> i recruited a whole mess of dwarven guardsmen
20100727 09:03:52< shadowmaster> in my experience it helps to build a complete wall of units around the map's corner around the encampment that takes down as much enemy units as possible until the other leaders deplete their gold
20100727 09:04:03< brant_> that seemed to work okay for defense, but I had no offense
20100727 09:04:52< shadowmaster> well, not only taking down enemy units but also taking all their damage at the same time, withdrawing heavily injured units and replacing them with fresh cannon fodder, etc.
20100727 09:05:10< brant_> so wait to press my attack until the enemy can't recruit anymore?
20100727 09:05:29< shadowmaster> at least it worked in 1.0.2 - 1.4 for me ^_^
20100727 09:05:46< shadowmaster> the balance may have changed with 1.6 and later though.
20100727 09:06:07< shadowmaster> since the scenario doesn't use fog or shroud you could see the enemies' gold in the status table to have an idea
20100727 09:06:30< brant_> what i had been trying was not pressing an attack until I was out of gold... it gave me a one-shot go... if that set of units failed it's game over.
20100727 09:07:03< shadowmaster> actually, I don't really mean pressing an attack.
20100727 09:07:33< shadowmaster> I just mean absorbing damage and trying to take down as many enemy recruits as possible at the same time without dissolving the wall of units
20100727 09:07:46< brant_> okay
20100727 09:08:07< shadowmaster> so that they can't get to essential units such as Li'sar and Delfador while they eplete their own gold
20100727 09:08:20< brant_> what is the best cannon fodder unit for this scenario? elven fighters? or dwarven guardsmen?
20100727 09:08:48< zookeeper> guardsmen are pretty good, they were what i used when i did that scenario with no recalls :P
20100727 09:08:49< shadowmaster> both could work, although higher level units should help.
20100727 09:08:57< brant_> fighters are cheaper, but i've never tried them on this map
20100727 09:09:02< zookeeper> (that is, guardsmen and gryphons only)
20100727 09:09:07< shadowmaster> I have never done any scenario without recalls o O
20100727 09:09:22< shadowmaster> except when I was first learning.
20100727 09:09:30< zookeeper> shadowmaster, i've done at least one scenario without recalls in every campaign ;)
20100727 09:09:35< brant_> i don't have any gryphons
20100727 09:10:12< shadowmaster> I once used gryphons to defeat the queen even before obliterating her guards :(
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20100727 09:10:58< brant_> is the queen hard to hit? the only time i got closed enough to attack her, i had a total of 6 hit attempts and missed every time. is that just bad luck? or is she really that tough to hit?
20100727 09:11:24< shadowmaster> she's on a keep, remember
20100727 09:11:44< brant_> yeah, a 60% attack bonus right?
20100727 09:11:48< shadowmaster> so it's part bad luck, part "well, I'm on a keep, you can't ghit me that easily, tee hee"
20100727 09:11:52< brant_> is there also a defense bonus?
20100727 09:12:29< shadowmaster> as far as map terrains are concerned, there is only a defense bonus
20100727 09:13:17< brant_> so the % is defense only? for some reason i thought that meant attack bonus. 8-P
20100727 09:13:20< shadowmaster> a normal foot-based unit standing on a keep tile has 60% defense, so it's naturally harder to hit
20100727 09:13:25< shadowmaster> nah, defense
20100727 09:13:37< brant_> okay, good to know.
20100727 09:14:33< shadowmaster> the chance-to-hit percentages can be overriden by weapon specials such as magic and marksmanship, but those are not indicated in the menubar along the terrain type
20100727 09:15:06< brant_> if this campaign is considered an "easy" campaign, i don't even want to know how the "hard" campaigns are.
20100727 09:15:39< brant_> actually, i didn't have too much trouble with this campaign until this final level.
20100727 09:15:54< zookeeper> well, knowing how defense works exactly should make everything quite a bit easier in the future ;)
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20100727 09:15:58< shadowmaster> B[B[B[B[BI was liike that at first
20100727 09:16:06< shadowmaster> two years later, I found myself beating NR...on the easiest difficulty
20100727 09:16:11< brant_> now i've just gotten frustrated with it, so i joined an irc channel to vent - lol
20100727 09:16:46< brant_> what's NR?
20100727 09:17:02< shadowmaster> Northern Rebirth.
20100727 09:17:05< Valkier> A miserable time for an artist.
20100727 09:17:07< Valkier> Or that...
20100727 09:17:10< shadowmaster> stay away from it, it's just nightmarishly hard.
20100727 09:17:17< zookeeper> yeah, don't play it :x
20100727 09:17:24< brant_> okay.
20100727 09:17:31< Valkier> Not until I finish my portraits for it anyways.
20100727 09:17:37< Valkier> Then play it.
20100727 09:18:01< shadowmaster> Valkier: your portraits won't imrpove those tedious 30-minutes-long AI turns on my 1.3 GHz Celeron box.
20100727 09:18:05< shadowmaster> improve
20100727 09:18:15< Valkier> Shut up! I'm doing this and people will see it!
20100727 09:18:32< shadowmaster> thousands of enemies...on a gigantic map.
20100727 09:18:33 * Valkier cries
20100727 09:18:35< shadowmaster> *shudder*
20100727 09:18:48< brant_> i thought it would be fun to write a campaign... it doesn't look like it's too difficult to do if you've had some programming experience.
20100727 09:19:05< Valkier> I wanted to do Heir to the Throne
20100727 09:19:13< Valkier> But noooo. JustinOperable started doing it.
20100727 09:19:19< Valkier> And then LordBob took over anyways.
20100727 09:19:21< shadowmaster> Valkier: when?
20100727 09:19:30< shadowmaster> Valkier: yuo mean TRoW, The Rise of Wesnoth
20100727 09:19:39< Valkier> I guess.
20100727 09:19:41< Valkier> That.
20100727 09:19:41< shadowmaster> HttT belongs to Jetrel at the mmoment.
20100727 09:19:57< Valkier> I don't actually play these, so yeah..
20100727 09:20:03< brant_> the problem i face when writing a campaign is that i want to tell a story that make sence with the rest of the world, so i'd have to read up on all the history.
20100727 09:20:25< brant_> and it looks like there is a lot of it.
20100727 09:20:35< shadowmaster> yeah.
20100727 09:21:11< brant_> how long have you guys played BFW?
20100727 09:21:23< brant_> I just found out about it this year.
20100727 09:21:32< zookeeper> i think about...5 years at least? or something like that.
20100727 09:21:33< brant_> it's a very well done game
20100727 09:21:34< Valkier> Er.. I don't really play.
20100727 09:21:46< Valkier> I just draw portraits for it.
20100727 09:22:05< brant_> that's cool. the artwork in the game is excelent
20100727 09:22:21< Valkier> Probably haven't seen mine then. :-P
20100727 09:22:32< brant_> that's one thing i really like about the game... it has a polished look and feel
20100727 09:22:53< brant_> what campaigns are your works in?
20100727 09:23:05< Valkier> None right now. I'm making the portraits for NR.
20100727 09:23:19< Valkier> The only thing I've had put in thus far are the skeleton portraits.
20100727 09:23:26< Valkier> And the ghoul I suppose.
20100727 09:23:39< brant_> oh, you mean the really difficult campaign i'm supposed to stay away from? lol
20100727 09:23:44< Valkier> yup.
20100727 09:23:46< zookeeper> brant_, anyway, if you want to make a campaign which makes sense with the rest of the world, you don't need to play _all_ the existing stuff first...you just need to know which ones are relevant to the time period you'd be writing in ;)
20100727 09:23:47< Valkier> The one nobody likes.
20100727 09:23:53< shadowmaster> Valkier: the Revenant portrait rocks, though
20100727 09:24:04< Valkier> Pfft. Disco skeleton is better.
20100727 09:24:13< Valkier> Didn't you see the Draug?
20100727 09:24:20< shadowmaster> Valkier: so the skeletons aren't really "only thing". That expression doesn't do justice to their awesomeness.
20100727 09:24:33< shadowmaster> Yes, I saw the Draug and Deathblade, but I prefer non-shiny :(
20100727 09:24:33< zookeeper> pfft. archer or deathblade.
20100727 09:24:57< Valkier> Didn't think the draug was shiny at all...
20100727 09:25:05< shadowmaster> glowy blue eyes
20100727 09:25:11< Valkier> I toned them down. :-P
20100727 09:25:25< shadowmaster> don't get me wrong, I like the Draug too, but I prefer the Revenant
20100727 09:25:31< Valkier> Fair enough
20100727 09:25:34< shadowmaster> it might be because of its smirky..."expression"
20100727 09:25:38< Valkier> lol
20100727 09:26:02< Valkier> I forget who it was. They're actually making a campaign using all of my skeletons though.
20100727 09:26:31< Valkier> Apparently they all match some faucet of human sin to him.
20100727 09:27:30< Valkier> Oh right, Boru.
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20100727 09:28:11< brant_> thanks for the game tips everyone! i've gotta get going.
20100727 09:28:21< Valkier> Later, brant_.
20100727 09:28:32< brant_> nice meet everyone.
20100727 09:28:35< brant_> cya
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20100727 09:32:23< Ivanovic> moin
20100727 09:41:03< Sacho> Northern Rebirth isn't difficult....you can beat the first level :P
20100727 09:41:17< Rhonda> haha
20100727 09:41:28< Rhonda> I'll quote that.
20100727 09:42:29< Valkier> Sacho: That's why my most carefully crafted portrait will be Talin's. It's the only one anyone will ever see.
20100727 09:42:38< Sacho> indeed
20100727 09:42:47< shadowmaster> Sacho: it's really difficult to do it.
20100727 09:42:56< shadowmaster> I mean, L0 attacking L1/L2 orcs?
20100727 09:43:10< shadowmaster> with a limited gold supply?
20100727 09:43:22< Sacho> It reminds me of goblin swarm vs spearmen
20100727 09:43:29< shadowmaster> who in the world would design such a sadistic sce- ah, Taurus. How bad.
20100727 09:43:40< shadowmaster> the worst part is that he's admired by certain dev ^_^
20100727 09:43:59< Sacho> The second level also seems beatable...
20100727 09:44:02 * Valkier coughcoughesrcoughcough
20100727 09:44:11< shadowmaster> Valkier: not you.
20100727 09:44:15< Valkier> The second level is beatable, just worthless.
20100727 09:44:19< shadowmaster> Valkier: oh, wait, never mind.
20100727 09:44:21< Valkier> Takes too long
20100727 09:44:31< Valkier> shadowmaster: nudge nudge wink wink say no more.
20100727 09:44:31< Sacho> yeah, I definitely don't beat it gracefully
20100727 09:44:41< Valkier> I cheated to pass it.
20100727 09:44:44< shadowmaster> the second level is...uh.
20100727 09:44:46< Valkier> And then quit on the third scenario.
20100727 09:44:53< shadowmaster> the third level is easy.
20100727 09:45:00< shadowmaster> it goes downhill from there.
20100727 09:45:10< Valkier> Yeah but I figure if I need to cheat at any point then it's not worth playing.
20100727 09:45:39< shadowmaster> scenario 4: undead. Thousands of undead units.
20100727 09:45:55< Sacho> Second level I repeatedly tried both strategies
20100727 09:45:58< Sacho> that is, swarm eastwards
20100727 09:46:06< shadowmaster> the key to NR is amassig great amounts of gold, and even then, some scenarios actually remove your gold.
20100727 09:46:09< Sacho> (this USUALLY leads to a massive bloodbath with you being the main course)
20100727 09:46:33< Sacho> or hole up and rotate poachers and footpads(hopefully levelled) to keep the trolls at bay
20100727 09:46:41< shadowmaster> as if it wasn't annoying enough to fight endless hordes of critters ^_^
20100727 09:47:08< shadowmaster> scenario 5a is passable only if you learn to withdraw units properly and have lots of spare time, IME
20100727 09:47:38< shadowmaster> otherwise it's disgustingly bad. Badly designed, bad dialog, bad .. badness
20100727 09:47:49< Valkier> Why doesn't anyone rediesign it?
20100727 09:47:59< Valkier> I have spoken to very few people who enjoy NR.
20100727 09:48:36< Sacho> Dunno.
20100727 09:48:43< Sacho> But it definitely wasn't designed to be played on nightmare. :p
20100727 09:48:54< shadowmaster> I'd bet Taurus was inspired by TDH's Underground Pool scenario (which has 1-tile-wide corridors) when designing Pursuit
20100727 09:49:03< zookeeper> i don't like anything about that campaign except the novel idea of the first scenario, so i've never bothered to try to fix it
20100727 09:49:03< shadowmaster> (two-tile wide corridors, mostly)
20100727 09:49:33< zookeeper> i'm sure it'd be almost trivial to make the second scenario less aggravating
20100727 09:49:36< Valkier> zookeeper: Please, for the love of god, change it.
20100727 09:49:59< shadowmaster> I feel tempted to play NR again out of morbid curiosity
20100727 09:50:02 * zookeeper has been in favour of dropping it from mainline for several stable releases
20100727 09:50:05< Sacho> I don't know how the further scenarios go
20100727 09:50:06< shadowmaster> and masochism.
20100727 09:50:12< Sacho> but the scenarios that pit two ais against each other
20100727 09:50:20< Sacho> with you "on the side" just don't work with wesnoth
20100727 09:50:40< shadowmaster> Sacho: it kinda owrks, but it's awkward.
20100727 09:50:58< shadowmaster> speciallyy with the ever-annoying turn limit
20100727 09:51:02< Sacho> It doesn't seem to work in the sense of one replay.
20100727 09:51:12< Sacho> Since AI combat is so dependent on chance.
20100727 09:51:20< Valkier> zookeeper: I'd say you'd be making my comission work useless, but I doubt it would really be any different. :-P
20100727 09:51:44< shadowmaster> Valkier: nah, he'd be opening NR to the world of user-made content again only
20100727 09:51:57< shadowmaster> someone could take it over and make it easier and prettier without changing the art
20100727 09:52:13< shadowmaster> some masochists would claim "ruined FOREVER" afterwards.
20100727 09:52:19< Valkier> Why doesn't esr be put in charge of making it playable?
20100727 09:52:25< Valkier> Thought he was the maintainer.
20100727 09:52:27< zookeeper> he is in charge of it
20100727 09:52:33< shadowmaster> because he likes it as is
20100727 09:52:37< Valkier> oi
20100727 09:52:56< Sacho> I don't think difficulty settings are meant to be used for that campaign anyway.
20100727 09:53:03< Sacho> 51 turns on easy, 26 on nightmare?
20100727 09:53:26< shadowmaster> I personally don' think that he dialog is on par with mainline either, despite esr's changes It still feels pretty bland and generic.
20100727 09:53:56< shadowmaster> it's not really much better than the old "hey guyz! I found gold!" style
20100727 09:53:56< zookeeper> i'm just guessing that esr doesn't do anything because there's no bug report about it assigned to him
20100727 09:54:53< shadowmaster> that can be fixed.
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20100727 09:55:46< shadowmaster> alternatively, get him to ply it. Or his wife.
20100727 09:55:50< shadowmaster> play
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20100727 15:21:12< NoBrainHere> Xo_oX
20100727 15:22:26< NoBrainHere> master of monsters for iphone?
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20100727 15:23:12< spasticteapot> Can anyone recommend me a good campaign to download?
20100727 15:23:24< spasticteapot> Something not too difficult, with a consistent difficulty curve?
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20100727 15:23:57< NoBrainHere> I do not play storylines.
20100727 15:24:28< zookeeper> spasticteapot, played all the mainline ones already?
20100727 15:24:40< spasticteapot> All the ones labelled "medium difficulty.
20100727 15:26:07< zookeeper> well, dead water and invasion from the unknown are the usual add-on recommendations
20100727 15:26:27< Blarumyrran> Story of Ooze & Elvish Dynasty
20100727 15:26:41< zookeeper> those too, if you like strange and funny stuff ;)
20100727 15:27:10< NoBrainHere> why does sf.net host so much weirdness? a post-nuclear CnC clone by Eidos, a Master of Monsters clone for iPhone...
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20100727 15:28:06< NoBrainHere> and even, sad to say, a political clone of Mario.
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20100727 15:29:56< NoBrainHere> too much weirdness
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20100727 15:31:11< NoBrainHere> Xo_oX
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20100727 15:57:56< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hulavuta, instead of ranting about fast food, don't eat it :P
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20100727 16:12:28< Hulavuta> Unnheulu|Laptop: When did I rant about fast food?
20100727 16:12:48< Unnheulu|Laptop> Just after the one about theme parks
20100727 16:13:06< Blarumyrran> Unnheulu, that's often not an option
20100727 16:13:12< Hulavuta> The theme park one was the last one I did
20100727 16:13:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> Blarumyrran, orly?
20100727 16:13:17< Blarumyrran> Eg over here, there are no other foods accessible aorund 5 am
20100727 16:13:18< e_s-iOS> Hm.
20100727 16:13:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> Walk to asda and buy cornflakes and milk
20100727 16:14:06< Hulavuta> I never ranted about fast food, and I'm still going to eat it. It's good on-the-go
20100727 16:14:06< Unnheulu|Laptop> Get bowl, pour in cornflakes and milk, done :)
20100727 16:14:25< e_s-iOS> xD
20100727 16:14:43< Blarumyrran> Unnheulu, around 5 am you often don't have bowls
20100727 16:15:01< Blarumyrran> And what I'm speaking of is that there is no place to buy cornflakes and millk from
20100727 16:15:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'm curious as to where that is
20100727 16:15:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> A hotel maybe?
20100727 16:15:38< Blarumyrran> Because shops aren't open
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20100727 16:16:14< Unnheulu|Laptop> Supermarkets often are
20100727 16:16:27< Hulavuta> At 5 am?
20100727 16:16:33< Unnheulu|Laptop> Mmhmm
20100727 16:16:37< Hulavuta> My local Publix closes at 10
20100727 16:16:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> Not the mini local ones
20100727 16:16:51< Hulavuta> Whacha mean by "mini"?
20100727 16:16:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> I'm thinking more like Tesco, or Asda or somewhere
20100727 16:17:04< Unnheulu|Laptop> Like Tesco local
20100727 16:17:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> (Or w/e its called, tesco express?)
20100727 16:17:29< Blarumyrran> Buying food from hotels, what are you, a millionaire?
20100727 16:17:38< e_s-iOS> Of course.
20100727 16:17:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> I mean...like
20100727 16:17:55< Unnheulu|Laptop> You don't have bowls and stuff in a hotel...
20100727 16:18:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hulavuta, tesco metro
20100727 16:18:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> That kinda stuff
20100727 16:18:20< Hulavuta> What is tesco?
20100727 16:18:25< Unnheulu|Laptop> Supermarket
20100727 16:18:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> UK's biggest
20100727 16:18:33< Hulavuta> Publix is also a Supermarket
20100727 16:18:47< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu|Laptop: Hi.
20100727 16:18:49< Unnheulu|Laptop> Hiah
20100727 16:18:55< Hulavuta> wtf random
20100727 16:19:00< e_s-iOS> You live in Wales, we live in America.
20100727 16:19:15< e_s-iOS> You buy cornflakes at 5am.
20100727 16:19:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> I know its not open at 5am, but gregs is really cheap, dunno if its in america
20100727 16:19:17< Hulavuta> cue PeterPorty saying: America is a continent
20100727 16:19:27< e_s-iOS> We buy burgers.
20100727 16:19:29< e_s-iOS> Thank you.
20100727 16:19:29< Hulavuta> Yep
20100727 16:19:31< e_s-iOS> Goodbye.
20100727 16:19:40< Hulavuta> I like Cheerios better anyway
20100727 16:19:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> We don't buy cornflakes at 5am :P
20100727 16:20:12< Hulavuta> Unnheulu|Laptop: The UK is the same as England, right?
20100727 16:20:17< Unnheulu|Laptop> No!
20100727 16:20:24< Hulavuta> :-(
20100727 16:20:34< Hulavuta> Britain?
20100727 16:20:42< e_s-iOS> Hulavuta: Never say that to him"
20100727 16:20:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> Uk is made up of Wales, England, Scotland, N. Ireland; and about 13 overseas territories
20100727 16:20:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> Britain != UK
20100727 16:21:07< e_s-iOS> Unnheulu|Laptop: Most importantly
20100727 16:21:08< Unnheulu|Laptop> Britain = Great Britain = the island
20100727 16:21:12< Hulavuta> So the UK is/has Britain?
20100727 16:21:16< Unnheulu|Laptop> Has
20100727 16:21:29< Hulavuta> Ok
20100727 16:21:37< Unnheulu|Laptop> Otherwise Bermuda, Isle of Lewis/Harris, N. Ireland, etc. wouldn't be part
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20100727 16:26:17< e_s-iOS_> That was weird.
20100727 16:26:46< Hulavuta> No it wasn't
20100727 16:27:07< e_s-iOS_> Hulavuta: Yes you are.
20100727 16:27:11< e_s-iOS_> :p
20100727 16:27:16< Hulavuta> No I aren't
20100727 16:27:27< Unnheulu|Laptop> Bad grammar
20100727 16:27:36< e_s-iOS_> GRAMMAR NAZI
20100727 16:27:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> I ist no nazi
20100727 16:27:51< e_s-iOS_> artisticdude. Where art thou?
20100727 16:28:02< e_s-iOS_> You need to arrest this little fellow.
20100727 16:28:29< e_s-iOS_> wesbot seen artisticdude
20100727 16:28:30< wesbot> e_s-iOS_: The person with the nick artisticdude last spoke 1d 16h ago.  1d 16h ago they left with the message: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
20100727 16:29:03< e_s-iOS_> Almost two days ago.
20100727 16:29:05< e_s-iOS_> Hm.
20100727 16:29:33< Hulavuta> Hey, seen me
20100727 16:29:41< Hulavuta> When I try it, it doesn't work
20100727 16:29:42< Gambit> e_s-iOS_: It's not just that.
20100727 16:29:48< Gambit> It was a ping timeout 2 days ago.
20100727 16:30:04< Gambit> Which means he suddenly lost connection.
20100727 16:30:12< Gambit> Which could mean something bad.
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20100727 16:30:21< e_s-iOS> Okay.
20100727 16:30:23< e_s-iOS> Hm.
20100727 16:30:26< Unnheulu|Laptop> wesbot, seen me
20100727 16:30:27< wesbot> Unnheulu|Laptop: Person, who 32d 13h ago used nick me, last spoke 5d ago.  10h 29m ago as Sirp they were seen quitting on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: *.net *.split
20100727 16:30:36< Gambit> (it probably doesn't)
20100727 16:31:36< e_s-iOS> http://forum.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=445850#p445850
20100727 16:31:38< e_s-iOS> Whoa
20100727 16:31:49< e_s-iOS> Someone's desperate 
20100727 16:34:50< Unnheulu|Laptop> e_s-iOS, that linking to the guidelines all the time is soooo annoying...
20100727 16:34:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> At least its not a smiley this time, I guess
20100727 16:37:26< e_s-iOS> Hm.
20100727 16:37:33< e_s-iOS> Need to disconnect for a sec.
20100727 16:37:35< e_s-iOS> Brb.
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20100727 16:46:53< Gambit> Blarumyrran: up for a game of breaking ground with Timotei and I?
20100727 16:47:03< Gambit> Hopefully today goes smoother :\
20100727 16:47:05< Blarumyrran> Not now
20100727 16:47:09< Gambit> Okay
20100727 16:47:29< Gambit> Unnheulu: Do you still play wesnoth?
20100727 16:47:31< Hulavuta> I want to play
20100727 16:47:39< Gambit> Hulavuta: Cool
20100727 16:47:45< Gambit> Now we need one more.
20100727 16:47:47< Unnheulu> Gambit, erm...yeah?
20100727 16:48:07< Gambit> Unnheulu: Want to play with timotei, Hulavuta, and I?
20100727 16:48:15< Unnheulu> Play wut?
20100727 16:48:20< Gambit> Breaking Ground
20100727 16:48:27< Unnheulu> Wuts that? :P
20100727 16:48:31< Gambit> A wesnoth addon I'm working on
20100727 16:48:35< Unnheulu> Kay
20100727 16:48:37< Unnheulu> On the server?
20100727 16:48:40< Gambit> Yes
20100727 16:48:47< Gambit> And you will need the download of it.
20100727 16:48:54< Unnheulu> Downloaded
20100727 16:49:07< Gambit> okay I'll go host
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20100727 16:49:52< Gambit> oops I opened trunk by mistake
20100727 16:49:56< Unnheulu> :P
20100727 16:49:59< Unnheulu> I do that a lot
20100727 16:50:09< Gambit> okay *now* I will host
20100727 16:50:11< Hulavuta> I don't
20100727 16:50:38< Hulavuta> CRap
20100727 16:53:13< Unnheulu> Typo!
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20100727 17:04:24< e_s-iOS> Back.
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20100727 17:51:33< Hulavuta> I FINALLY DIDN'T LOSE FIRST!!!!
20100727 17:52:23< Gambit> wooo
20100727 17:52:26< Gambit> You lost last ;)
20100727 17:52:37< Gambit> Your death was the most drawn out and painful.
20100727 17:52:49< Gambit> In the end you took your own life to escape it all.
20100727 17:52:52< Hulavuta> Yep
20100727 17:52:55< Gambit> All will fall before the Roman Empire!
20100727 17:53:01< Hulavuta> wut
20100727 17:53:23< Gambit> err
20100727 17:53:25< Gambit> the red team!
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20100727 18:06:52< Hulavuta> Are there any good orc campaigns out there?
20100727 18:07:06< Unnheulu> Beetlenauts?
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20100727 18:07:14< Unnheulu> Son of a Black Eye?
20100727 18:07:28< Hulavuta> I'll play "The Tribe"
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20100727 18:25:51< Hulavuta> elvish_sovereign: Up for MP?
20100727 18:26:00< elvish_sovereign> hm.
20100727 18:26:13< elvish_sovereign> I can now, but I might have to go to lunch any minute though
20100727 18:26:19< Hulavuta> That's fine
20100727 18:26:26< elvish_sovereign> okay then
20100727 18:27:13< elvish_sovereign> so what do you want to play?
20100727 18:27:18< Hulavuta> Wesnoth
20100727 18:27:26< elvish_sovereign> i meant
20100727 18:27:30< elvish_sovereign> what type of match
20100727 18:27:36< Hulavuta> I don't care
20100727 18:27:38< Hulavuta> What do you want?
20100727 18:27:41< elvish_sovereign> normal 1 vs1?
20100727 18:27:46< Hulavuta> ok
20100727 18:28:01< elvish_sovereign> you create or i create?
20100727 18:28:06< Hulavuta> you
20100727 18:28:14< elvish_sovereign> okay.
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20100727 18:28:40< elvish_sovereign> up
20100727 18:28:46< Valkier> down
20100727 18:28:58< Hulavuta> sideways
20100727 18:29:08< elvish_sovereign> nvm
20100727 18:29:17 * Valkier high fives
20100727 18:29:33< Hulavuta> Valkier misses
20100727 18:29:50< Valkier> Oh snap!
20100727 18:30:46< Hulavuta> Oh clap
20100727 18:31:06< Hulavuta> Want to hear a new theory I'm working on?
20100727 18:31:27< Hulavuta> ok
20100727 18:31:28< Unnheulu> If you eat too many burgers you get fat
20100727 18:31:31< Unnheulu> ?
20100727 18:31:55< Valkier> ok?
20100727 18:32:08< Unnheulu> I'm wondering if thats his theory
20100727 18:32:15< Hulavuta> Unnheulu: stop ripping on fast food\
20100727 18:32:37< Valkier> Fast food sucks.
20100727 18:32:50< Valkier> I do it the way it's meant to be done.
20100727 18:32:59< Unnheulu> I have never eaten kfc in my life, burger king twice, and McDonalds not in the last 5 years
20100727 18:33:01< Valkier> I tackle the deer in the wild and eat it while it still lives.
20100727 18:33:09< Unnheulu> Real men eat gruel
20100727 18:33:53< Valkier> Unnheulu: Wendy's is ok sometimes. Arbys is the best.
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20100727 19:32:24< Gambit> Real Men™ cook at home
20100727 19:32:54< Gambit> Real Men™ reply to conversations an hour later
20100727 19:33:06< Gambit> Because they can't figure out how to make thier IRC client use local time
20100727 19:33:23< Gambit> s/local time/12 hour clock/
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20100727 21:01:37< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: poke
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20100727 21:01:49< Gambit> elvish_sovereign: Around?
20100727 21:02:06< Hulavuta> He told me he was at lunch, but that was around 1
20100727 21:02:49< Gambit> Blarumyrran: Wesnoth?
20100727 21:03:08< Blarumyrran> Sure
20100727 21:03:34< Gambit> Blarumyrran: There's a new version on the addon server since we played last.
20100727 21:03:47< Blarumyrran> Ok
20100727 21:03:50< Gambit> Now we need one more...
20100727 21:03:59 * Gambit pokes... uhh... Valkier?
20100727 21:04:56< Valkier> ?
20100727 21:05:04< Gambit> Valkier: Wesnoth?
20100727 21:05:11< Valkier> An add-on?
20100727 21:05:14< Gambit> Yes
20100727 21:05:18< Valkier> Which one?
20100727 21:05:22< Gambit> Breaking Ground
20100727 21:05:44< Gambit> The best little addon you've never heard of.
20100727 21:06:42< Valkier> Gimme a minute I guess.
20100727 21:06:55< Gambit> Cool. Meet you in the lobby.
20100727 21:07:09< Gambit> Blarumyrran: See you there too
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20100727 21:11:27< Gambit> Valkier, Blarumyrran: it's hosted
20100727 21:13:07< Blarumyrran> I do not see it
20100727 21:13:39< Gambit> Blarumyrran: It's called "Breaking Ground"
20100727 21:13:46< Gambit> I didn't put my name on it this time.
20100727 21:14:03< Gambit> People keep taking your seat.
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20100727 21:21:13< Gambit> Valkier: You there?
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20100727 22:12:03< PetePorty> :) 
20100727 22:12:08< PetePorty> Hi guys
20100727 22:12:31< PetePorty> shit, brb... I need to fix the damn internet
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20100727 22:14:32< PetePorty> ok, now hi.
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20100727 22:17:14< Hulavuta> hi
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20100727 22:20:16< Gambit> And the internet is saved once again by
20100727 22:20:20< Gambit> PetePortyMan!
20100727 22:20:52< PetePorty>  ...
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20100727 22:21:46< PetePorty> OMG! my website is at risk of being deleted!
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20100727 22:23:52< PetePorty> O.o
20100727 22:23:52< VurtualRuler98> MAN YOUR BATTLESTATIONS
20100727 22:23:53< VurtualRuler98> GO TO RED ALERT
20100727 22:24:30< VurtualRuler98> We've lost decks 3-10! They've hit the saucer section connection! We might have to detach!
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20100727 22:25:58< elias> open a channel
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20100727 22:26:24< VurtualRuler98> They aren't responding to hails or pings.
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20100727 22:26:52< VurtualRuler98> We've got the engineering section back online, go to yellow alert.
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20100727 22:27:48< VurtualRuler98> We've lost power and the holodeck is stuck, again.
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20100727 23:00:57< Gambit> PetePorty: How did you messsage #wesnothxp without being in it?
20100727 23:01:32< PetePorty> Just sheer awesomeness
20100727 23:01:44< Gambit> bah
20100727 23:01:45< PetePorty> I *knew* it would work
20100727 23:01:51< PetePorty> huh?
20100727 23:02:46< Gambit> PetePorty: anyway the answer to your question is that we moved to ##minecraft
20100727 23:02:52< Gambit> because #minecraft is not a valid name
20100727 23:02:57< PetePorty> why?
20100727 23:03:00< PetePorty> wth?
20100727 23:06:22< VurtualRuler98> ...
20100727 23:06:39< VurtualRuler98> That doesn't quite seem to make any logical sense, so I'm going to assume you are a wizard, and operate under the laws of such.
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20100727 23:08:35< PetePorty> Gambit, wth?
20100727 23:08:41< Gambit> PetePorty: No. you wth.
20100727 23:08:52< PetePorty> what did I do?
20100727 23:08:54< VurtualRuler98> why is #minecraft not valid?
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20100727 23:09:56< elias> feednode terms of service #X channels are resolved to the official X
20100727 23:10:26< elias> so only if the minecraft creator would move the official minecraft IRC channel here, it would be allowed to use #minecraft
20100727 23:11:00< VurtualRuler98> Considering that it already has a 300+ user channel on another network that's never going to happen, I guess.
20100727 23:11:32< elias> yep
20100727 23:12:25< VurtualRuler98> That channel has enough stuckuppy opensource types in it already, this network combined with such a channel would probably freeze all of creation, and evolution, and everyting, for some inane reason.
20100727 23:12:30< PetePorty> Gambit, ok, I'm not going back to #wesnothxp.
20100727 23:12:38< Gambit> Good
20100727 23:12:44< Gambit> And I don't want anymore external messages either.
20100727 23:12:59< PetePorty> have fun with your bots and your afk people
20100727 23:13:17< Gambit> Have fun repeatedly breaking rules for the lulz and getting kicked, muted, and banned for it every time.
20100727 23:14:14< VurtualRuler98> Have fun suddenly hating eachother over a trivial, tiny IRC channel, for a trivial reason.
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20100727 23:14:50< elvish_sovereign> bah
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20100727 23:16:44< elvish_sovereign> -_-
20100727 23:17:23< PetePorty> Dude, I don't know why Gambit keeps kicking me from #wesnothxp... I haven't done anything wrong...
20100727 23:17:53< elvish_sovereign> lol
20100727 23:18:06< elvish_sovereign> *sigh*
20100727 23:18:12< elvish_sovereign> I guess I should go back to work
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